From jitr-owner Wed Aug 1 09:06:34 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f71G6YR05471 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 09:06:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from server.postmodern.com (server.postmodern.com [216.240.39.3]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with ESMTP id f71G6Vf05468 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 09:06:31 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f55.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.55]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-001222r) with ESMTP id JAA24109 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 09:06:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 09:06:01 -0700 Received: from 212.198.0.91 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 01 Aug 2001 16:06:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [212.198.0.91] From: "doria sekfali" To: jitr@server.postmodern.com Subject: Re: jitr meeting Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 16:06:00 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2001 16:06:01.0293 (UTC) FILETIME=[DBD02FD0:01C11AA3] Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hi, I'm from france, so if I can give a visa to someone, there is no problem. I hope that the meeting will not be in Rouen, there's nothing to do there, lol; dORIA (paris) > Guys if this meeting ever happen, somebody will have to help us with visas, I am > from Serbia. what would be the procedure? somebody w/ French citizenship would have to give in an official invitation or sth? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From jitr-owner Wed Aug 1 10:10:56 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f71HAub05914 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 10:10:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from server.postmodern.com (server.postmodern.com [216.240.39.3]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with ESMTP id f71HAqf05911 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 10:10:52 -0700 Received: from mail2.sezampro.yu (mail2.sezampro.yu [194.106.188.9]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-001222r) with SMTP id KAA24148 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 10:10:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from castle@ppp65-060.verat.net (authenticated as castle) by SezamPro with SMTP on Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:10:14 +0200 Message-ID: <3B6837F7.E9B23F4D@sezampro.yu> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 19:10:15 +0200 From: ivana Organization: nd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doria sekfali CC: jitr@server.postmodern.com Subject: Re: jitr meeting References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ I will tell you when we decide. I think that I need invitation (for me and for embassy) only. I still dom't know for shore that I will participate if that ever happen. It is very expencive but I will give everything I can. Thank you guys Ivana From jitr-owner Wed Aug 1 14:52:14 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f71LqE908729 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:52:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f280.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.14.155]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with ESMTP id f71LqBf08726 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:52:11 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:52:09 -0700 Received: from 62.83.86.97 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 01 Aug 2001 21:52:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [62.83.86.97] From: "Blind Dancer" To: castle@sezampro.yu, jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Yugoslavians coming to a JITR meeting Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 21:52:09 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2001 21:52:09.0798 (UTC) FILETIME=[36CE8E60:01C11AD4] Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ >From: ivana >Guys if this meeting ever happen, somebody will have to help us with visas, >I am >from Serbia. I promise that I will be back home after meeting. Is it particularly difficult for Serbians to travel abroad? If so, who creates the trouble, your government or the NATO? Blind Dancer. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From jitr-owner Wed Aug 1 15:01:28 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f71M1SN08812 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:01:28 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f82.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.82]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with ESMTP id f71M1Pf08809 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:01:25 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:01:24 -0700 Received: from 62.83.86.97 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 01 Aug 2001 22:01:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [62.83.86.97] From: "Blind Dancer" To: kll2277@hotmail.com, jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Sinead and The Chieftains!!! Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 22:01:23 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2001 22:01:24.0557 (UTC) FILETIME=[81780FD0:01C11AD5] Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ >Please help me out! I thought I saw a Chieftains album on whcich Sinead >contributed three cuts!! But maybe not?? I know she's on Tears of Stone >("Factory Girl,") and Long Black Vail ("The Foggy Dew", "She Moved Through >the Fair"). But was there another one??? If not, anyone know what I may >of seen? A Celtic album on which she did three songs??? Please help!!! >This is driving me crazy, and I don't even remember the names of the songs. > Perhaps the Chieftains were on there also? Help!!! >Peace and love, >Kim >(Who is tearing her hair out for not buying whatever this is when I had it >in my hand!!!) As far as I know, you are missing an album called "The long journey home", soundtrack to the TV series with the same title. The Chieftains collaborate in it with loads of interesting artists, and Sinéad sings a song called Skibereen. Blind Dancer. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From jitr-owner Wed Aug 1 15:10:30 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f71MAU508873 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:10:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f88.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.88]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with ESMTP id f71MAQf08870 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:10:26 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:10:25 -0700 Received: from 62.83.86.97 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 01 Aug 2001 22:10:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [62.83.86.97] From: "Blind Dancer" To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Come on, do something! Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 22:10:25 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2001 22:10:25.0742 (UTC) FILETIME=[C40A56E0:01C11AD6] Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ We know this so far about the European JITR meeting: -That Ivana lives in Serbia and would like to come, even if she needs complicated visas. -That Doria lives in France and would like to join us. -That PK would like the meeting to be in spring and in France. -That I will be in Scotland for the first half of 2002, so I'd like the meeting to be before September: before June it will be easy for me to go, and between June and August I'm on holidays. Come on, where is everyone else? At least write to tell that you can't come, but don't make me feel that you don't care. Blind Dancer. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From jitr-owner Wed Aug 1 15:32:07 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f71MW7K08991 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:32:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from server.postmodern.com (server.postmodern.com [216.240.39.3]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with ESMTP id f71MW4f08988 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:32:04 -0700 Received: from loom.online.ee (loom.online.ee [194.106.96.5]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-001222r) with SMTP id PAA24249 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:31:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11116 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 00:31:52 +0200 Received: from hi1-solo-247.dyn.online.ee (HELO user) (213.180.14.247) by loom.online.ee with SMTP; 2 Aug 2001 00:31:52 +0200 Message-ID: <037f01c11ad1$c7410a20$f70eb4d5@user> Reply-To: "PK" From: "PK" To: "jitr" References: Subject: Re: jitr meeting Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 00:33:04 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-4" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ > I hope that the meeting will not be in Rouen, there's nothing to do there, > lol; > dORIA (paris) don't scare me! I might have to stay in Rouen for 3 months--- would Paris be a good place for the meeting? how many people are coming anyway? (or at least considering it) pk From jitr-owner Thu Aug 2 00:00:50 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f7270ok11888 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 00:00:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from mailgate3.cinetic.de (mailgate3.cinetic.de [212.227.116.80]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with ESMTP id f7270jf11883 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 00:00:45 -0700 Received: from web.de (fmomail02.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.1.46]) by mailgate3.cinetic.de (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.0-0.4) with SMTP id f7270p606785; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:00:51 +0200 Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:00:51 +0200 Message-Id: <200108020700.f7270p606785@mailgate3.cinetic.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ From: "Iris Donner" To: jitr@postmodern.com Cc: "Blind Dancer" Subject: Re: Come on, do something! Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="---SKER996735649--"; Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ This is MIME -----SKER996735649-- Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, people of jitr, i read your posting for 1or 2 month, come from Germany and like Sinead and Fish (Ex-Marillion). I'm interested in a meeting, too. 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Regards, Your WEB.DE-Team. From jitr-owner Thu Aug 2 06:35:24 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f72DZOe14092 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 06:35:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from ghost3.onet.pl (ghost3.onet.pl [217.97.200.23] (may be forged)) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with ESMTP id f72DZJf14089 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 06:35:19 -0700 Received: from pb64.piotrkow.cvx.ppp.tpnet.pl ([213.77.225.64]:4356 "HELO barabasz") by ghost3.onet.pl with SMTP id ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:34:07 +0200 Message-ID: <004b01c11a8e$3ad80b80$40e14dd5@barabasz> From: "ebar" To: References: Subject: Re: Come on, do something! Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:31:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ i`d also love to come, but don`t know if i could mke it to ireland! so count me too.:) emily, poland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blind Dancer" To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:10 AM Subject: Come on, do something! > > We know this so far about the European JITR meeting: > > -That Ivana lives in Serbia and would like to come, even if she needs > complicated visas. > > -That Doria lives in France and would like to join us. > > -That PK would like the meeting to be in spring and in France. > > -That I will be in Scotland for the first half of 2002, so I'd like the > meeting to be before September: before June it will be easy for me to go, > and between June and August I'm on holidays. > > Come on, where is everyone else? At least write to tell that you can't come, > but don't make me feel that you don't care. > > Blind Dancer. > > > ____________________________________________________________ _____ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > -- Jest niezly ... i liscik napisze OnetKomunikator [ http://ok.onet.pl/instaluj.html ] From jitr-owner Thu Aug 2 06:42:19 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f72DgJw14140 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 06:42:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with ESMTP id f72DgEf14137 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 06:42:15 -0700 Received: from Liambutts@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id e.16.10353972 (3702); Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:40:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Liambutts@aol.com Message-ID: <16.10353972.289ab23b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:40:11 EDT Subject: Re: Come on, do something! To: ebar@poczta.onet.pl, jitr@postmodern.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Maybe Sinead will catch wind of this meeting and provide the JITR crew with a small concert. I wonder if there would be any way to get this to her. Somebody must be able to let her Know? From jitr-owner Thu Aug 2 07:27:24 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f72EROr14407 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 07:27:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with ESMTP id f72ERKf14404 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 07:27:20 -0700 Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust116.tnt14.nyc3.da.uu.net [63.23.142.116]) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA16315; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 07:27:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <412001842142716320@earthlink.net> X-EM-Version: 5, 0, 0, 0 X-EM-Registration: #3003520714B31D032830 X-Priority: Reply-To: amymatilda@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 5.03.40 (Windows) From: "AmyMatilda" To: jitr@postmodern.com, mintagli@ypf.com.ar, Liambutts@aol.com Subject: Re: Tiny Sinéad news Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:27:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I like your thoughts, Molly. :^) When Jake was a baby she was a very wild girl, and Sinead has grown so much since then. I can imagine she is a wonderful, loving mother, and the children will benefit from her presence. I don't think she'll be out of touch with us for long, though... :^) love,amyg ----- Original Message ----- It would be my assumption that Sinead might be at the point in her life where she feels she might be together enough to nurture a family.....I also think that when she is done processing that she will be back. She is probably at a place in her life to do the things that her mother did not do and now she feels like she is able to because of all the healing she has done around her mother. It is kind of a healing to be able to nurture her children the way she wished she had been nurtured by her own mother. When she is done doing that she will be back. Her children may very well be grown by then. Also, I doubt that she will stay married, shes a lesbian for fuck sake.......at least i like to keep that hope alive :) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
I like your thoughts, Molly.  :^)    When Jake was a baby she was a very wild girl, and Sinead has grown so much since then.  I can imagine she is a wonderful, loving mother, and the children will benefit from her presence.  I don't think she'll be out of touch with us for long, though...   :^)
love,amyg
----- Original Message -----

It would be my assumption that Sinead might be at the point in her life where
she feels she might be together enough to nurture a family.....I also think
that when she is done processing that she will be back. She is probably at a
place in her life to do the things that her mother did not do and now she
feels like she is able to because of all the healing she has done around her
mother. It is kind of a healing to be able to nurture her children the way
she wished she had been nurtured by her own mother. When she is done doing
that she will be back. Her children may very well be grown by then. Also, I
doubt that she will stay married, shes a lesbian for fuck sake.......at least
i like to keep that hope alive :)
 

 
------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From jitr-owner Thu Aug 2 08:39:07 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f72Fd7a15297 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 08:39:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from ns2.ypf.com.ar (ns2.ypf.com.ar [200.32.103.4]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with ESMTP id f72Fd2f15294 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 08:39:02 -0700 Received: from email.ypf.com.ar (email.dmz.sce [10.1.3.23]) by ns2.ypf.com.ar (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f72Fcxh63118; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:38:59 -0300 Received: by email.ypf.com.ar(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 03256A9C.0055E622 ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:38:14 -0300 X-Lotus-FromDomain: YPF_SA From: mintagli@ypf.com.ar To: blinddancer@hotmail.com cc: jitr@postmodern.com Message-ID: <03256A9C.0055AEB1.00@email.ypf.com.ar> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:34:29 -0300 Subject: Re: Come on, do something! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ >Come on, where is everyone else? At least write to tell that you can't come, but don't make me feel that you don't care.> I'm from Argentina and I would think about doing it, especially if the meeting took place in Ireland. I've been thinking about traveling around the country forever, and the JITR meeting would be a good push. Mariana From jitr-owner Thu Aug 2 09:06:00 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f72G60U15450 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:06:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from fins.uits.indiana.edu (fins.uits.indiana.edu [129.79.6.185]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with ESMTP id f72G5vf15447 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:05:57 -0700 Received: from maryland.exchange.indiana.edu (maryland.exchange.indiana.edu [129.79.6.163]) by fins.uits.indiana.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1/IUPO) with ESMTP id f72G5ou08252; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:05:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by maryland.exchange.indiana.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:05:50 -0500 Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4EE3@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'mintagli@ypf.com.ar'" , blinddancer@hotmail.com Cc: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: RE: Come on, do something! Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:05:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Well the usa is a ways away but who knows where he may be in the future... denis denis taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: mintagli@ypf.com.ar [mailto:mintagli@ypf.com.ar] >Come on, where is everyone else? At least write to tell that you can't come, but don't make me feel that you don't care.> I'm from Argentina and I would think about doing it, especially if the meeting took place in Ireland. I've been thinking about traveling around the country forever, and the JITR meeting would be a good push. Mariana From jitr-owner Thu Aug 2 11:04:40 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f72I4es16277 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:04:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from mail9.wlv.netzero.net (mail9.wlv.netzero.net [209.247.163.66]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with SMTP id f72I4af16274 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:04:36 -0700 Received: (qmail 676 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 18:04:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PENNLAW) (65.90.245.29) by mail9.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 2 Aug 2001 18:04:39 -0000 Message-ID: <000901c11b7e$d6289e60$1df55a41@upenn.edu> From: "john" To: , Cc: References: <03256A9C.0055AEB1.00@email.ypf.com.ar> Subject: Re: Come on, do something! (Iris Donner) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:13:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Iris Donner's message with the above Subject heading carried with it a virus. My computer caught it. For those of you who do not have powerful anti-virus software I'd suggest updating your files and running a virus check. J ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 11:34 AM Subject: Re: Come on, do something! > > > >Come on, where is everyone else? At least write to tell that you can't come, > but don't make me feel that you don't care.> > > I'm from Argentina and I would think about doing it, especially if the meeting > took place in Ireland. I've been thinking about traveling around the country > forever, and the JITR meeting would be a good push. > > Mariana > > ---------------------------------------------------- NetZero Platinum Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 From jitr-owner Thu Aug 2 13:34:38 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f72KYcd17359 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 13:34:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with ESMTP id f72KYYf17356 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 13:34:34 -0700 Received: from jerusalem (sdn-ar-001casfraP068.dialsprint.net [168.191.205.52]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with SMTP id NAA19257; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 13:33:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001101c11b91$f1890060$34cdbfa8@jerusalem> From: "Dan Duncan" To: References: <004b01c11a8e$3ad80b80$40e14dd5@barabasz> Subject: Re: Come on, do something! Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 13:30:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ It would be lovely and insane to come from the US of A to Europe, anywhere in Europe.... Some of us here are trying to take back the government from the WTO and the DMCA money traitors who are destroying the real world. I doubt that they are doing it to be mean; they are just stupid. We even jailed a Russian programmer on the basis of our traitorous DMCA law, whereas we should have jailed the whole congress who passed it thereby violating our own constitution. Thank God for Sinead who makes the struggle for art, family, and true nationhood real. Pray that each of us can carry on the same struggle in our day-to-day lives. France is GREAT, but maybe we should hold this in Serbia, since they have been so downtrodden by both their own "leaders" and then again by NATO. They could probably use the extra currency, also. Not that we are all the big spenders, but the publicity would probably help. Of course, our Serbian friends could probably use a vacation. But for the rest of us, do we want to have a pleasant vacation or start a revolution of the spirit? If I had the choice, I'd pick Serbia and the revolution. Besides, it might be easier now to get visas IN than it is for our Serbian brothers and sisters to get visas OUT. For me, struggling with the computer collapse in the USA and looking for work, it seems like a distant dream, but hey! What are dreams for, anyway? dunc aka Dan Duncan New Research Group "Different is not always better, but better is always different." From jitr-owner Fri Aug 3 05:28:43 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f73CShJ22366 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 05:28:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f259.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.134]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with ESMTP id f73CSdf22360 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 05:28:39 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 05:28:34 -0700 Received: from 213.161.129.140 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 03 Aug 2001 12:28:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [213.161.129.140] From: "Deniz Cebe" To: mintagli@ypf.com.ar, jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Tiny Sinéad news Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 15:28:34 +0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2001 12:28:34.0826 (UTC) FILETIME=[D056CEA0:01C11C17] Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Well, since Sinéad parted ways with Atlantic, I've had this sinking feeling that Faith And Courage would be her final album and now this latest news seem to justify it. Very sad. Deniz >From: mintagli@ypf.com.ar >To: jitr@postmodern.com >Subject: Tiny Sinéad news >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 12:15:34 -0300 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From jitr-owner Fri Aug 3 05:30:12 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f73CUCX22387 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 05:30:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from mail2.sezampro.yu (mail2.sezampro.yu [194.106.188.9]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with SMTP id f73CU8f22384 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 05:30:08 -0700 Received: from castle@ppp65-072.verat.net (authenticated as castle) by SezamPro with SMTP on Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:29:41 +0200 Message-ID: <3B6A9937.1B8F7A78@sezampro.yu> Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 14:29:44 +0200 From: ivana Organization: nd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Duncan CC: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Come on, do something! References: <004b01c11a8e$3ad80b80$40e14dd5@barabasz> <001101c11b91$f1890060$34cdbfa8@jerusalem> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ It would be grate if some of you want to come in Serbia. As a very famous and succesfull individual here I could arrange everything, accomodation....... PLEASE think about that. And ofcourse who wants to know something about me could ask me. I am eager to hear your answers. Ivana From jitr-owner Fri Aug 3 05:46:13 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f73CkDW22468 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 05:46:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from mail2.sezampro.yu (mail2.sezampro.yu [194.106.188.9]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with SMTP id f73Ck8f22465 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 05:46:09 -0700 Received: from castle@ppp65-116.verat.net (authenticated as castle) by SezamPro with SMTP on Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:45:55 +0200 Message-ID: <3B6A9D04.56AF359C@sezampro.yu> Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 14:45:56 +0200 From: ivana Organization: nd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Duncan , jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Come on, do something! References: <004b01c11a8e$3ad80b80$40e14dd5@barabasz> <001101c11b91$f1890060$34cdbfa8@jerusalem> <3B6A9937.1B8F7A78@sezampro.yu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ and you do not nead a visa for Serbia until end of September this year, and that will be every summer for all countries in EU, USA, Switzerland, New Zeland, Australia and..... i dont know everything. I know that I still have to prepare Irish Festival at the end of September and ---------Irish People PLEASE HELP ME--------------- I am waiting for your proposals. Serbia is very peacefull country now and we are delighted to welcome foreign people here. I am member of few NGO's here and some of them are international (as "War child", "Amnesty International", "Triangle", .... and more. I am volonteur there and they will be delighted to help me if I need something. We can use that and make our little festival in Serbia. Thank you Ivana From jitr-owner Fri Aug 3 06:32:17 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f73DWHk22779 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 06:32:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from mask.uits.indiana.edu (mask.uits.indiana.edu [129.79.6.184]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with ESMTP id f73DWEf22776 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 06:32:14 -0700 Received: from maryland.exchange.indiana.edu (maryland.exchange.indiana.edu [129.79.6.163]) by mask.uits.indiana.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1/IUPO) with ESMTP id f73DV5821053 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:31:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by maryland.exchange.indiana.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:32:14 -0500 Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4EFB@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_Tiny_Sin=E9ad_news?= Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:32:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by penguin.postmodern.com id f73DWFf22777 Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hi DEniz and JITR, Oh I don't think so at all. In fact, in the music business this is not uncommon at all for an artist to constantly switch labels and I think the opportunity is always there for Sinead to release a CD. In fact, she probably would have multiple offers for at least one album. I think she could even succeed ason a smaller label or as an indipendent artist. don't count sinead out, though I have to say that I feel priviledged to have been around before during and after faith and courage and to see how Sinead went about promoting her cd, how the label and radio handled it and to be graced with great music and great singing and so on.What a roller coaster ride indeed. I have no doubt at all that Sinead is on a temporary hiatus and will return in ful force. As an artist you just have to produce. Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: Deniz Cebe [mailto:dcebe@hotmail.com] S Well, since Sinéad parted ways with Atlantic, I've had this sinking feeling that Faith And Courage would be her final album From jitr-owner Fri Aug 3 07:08:06 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f73E86S23000 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 07:08:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.16.65]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with ESMTP id f73E82f22997 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 07:08:02 -0700 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"58fqu2v3zKCljpwuZrcjReiOKLAsapNjrOLWzxsYE3u5qnyXCENnmw=="> Received: (from michaelpt@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GBW22USP; Fri, 03 Aug 2001 10:07:11 EDT To: jitr@postmodern.com Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:13:12 -0400 Subject: Sinead Returning Message-ID: <20010803.101314.-1735235.2.michaelpt@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,9-10,17-18,27-28,30-32 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Michael P Terry Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello all- Look at John Lennon's life. He stayed out of the recording studio for almost five years during the time he and Yoko raised their son Sean. In one interview, he talked about how one day, he pulled the guitar out and it came to him...two whole albums almost of excellent work, Double Fantasy and Milk and Honey. In the meantime, he switched labels from Capitol (Parlophone) to Geffen. Unfortunately, an assasin killed him and the world will never know what he could have done in years following 1980... BUT, Sinead is a wonderful singer/songwriter. Her talent is so strong that it seems one day sometime down the road (let's hope it doesn't take five years) she'll get the feeling, she'll be moved and find herself writing lyrics, sitting down at the piano, picking up the guitar, and then the world will have an outstanding album to be moved by. Family life will most likely change her life, and naturally, she'll have to express that. If there were any doubts as to whether Sinead was a pro before, Faith and Courage absolutely confirmed that she is outstanding. She managed to switch labels AND record one hell of an album, a feat which has ended the careers of many. If Faith and Courage weren't such a strong album, then I might lose some hope...but it's been over a year since it was released, and the CD goes everywhere I go (not that my opinion necessarily determines anything). It's an album that you can't help but listen to from start to finish each time you play it. People are still realizing how absolutely amazing Sinead is. I think we've seen the beginning, and part of the transition. It's only natural for a seasoned pro to continue doing what she does best. My opinions. Michael ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From jitr-owner Fri Aug 3 08:36:29 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f73FaSP23462 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:36:29 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from server.postmodern.com (server.postmodern.com [216.240.39.3]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with ESMTP id f73FaPf23459 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:36:25 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (oe59.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.20.194]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-001222r) with ESMTP id IAA25201 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:36:09 -0700 (PDT) From: kll2277@hotmail.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:35:55 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [216.77.91.43] To: Subject: re:tiny Sinead news Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:34:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C11BFF.8881C160" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2001 15:35:55.0202 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC201220:01C11C31] Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C11BFF.8881C160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Well, let's hope for the best. As someone else rightly said, last time = Sinead left the spotlight, she came back two years later with Universal = Mother!! What would be really cool would be Sinead's creating her own = label, after spending some quality time with her family! She'd then = have all the artistic freedom she wants, and who knows what would come = of it!! Just a dream! (Sigh.) Oh well, just my two cents on the matter. Peace and love, Kim ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C11BFF.8881C160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
Well, let's hope for the best.  As = someone=20 else rightly said, last time Sinead left the spotlight, she came back = two years=20 later with Universal Mother!!  What would be really cool would be = Sinead's=20 creating her own label, after spending some quality time with her = family! =20 She'd then have all the artistic freedom she wants, and who knows what = would=20 come of it!!
Just a dream!  = (Sigh.)
Oh well, just my two cents on the=20 matter.
Peace and love,
Kim
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C11BFF.8881C160-- From jitr-owner Fri Aug 3 09:53:12 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f73GrC723982 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:53:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f178.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.178]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with ESMTP id f73Gr9f23979 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:53:09 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:53:06 -0700 Received: from 62.83.79.38 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 03 Aug 2001 16:53:05 GMT X-Originating-IP: [62.83.79.38] From: "Blind Dancer" To: kll2277@hotmail.com, jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Sinéad and record labels. Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 16:53:05 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2001 16:53:06.0249 (UTC) FILETIME=[C471C390:01C11C3C] Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello, Deniz, it's not a bad thing that an artist leaves a label. R.E.M. became famous (and their music improved) after leaving their first label. George Michael gained respectability when he was finally allowed to switch labels (this doesn't mean I like him or his music). The way artists belong to labels nowadays reminds me of the way movie stars belonged to studios before the sixties. There was a lot of abuse, and many people were forced to work in roles that they didn't like. It killed people like Judy Garland. It put a corset on the career of most Hollywood actors and actresses for three decades. I hope I'll see a time when musicians make exclusively one-record deals, just like actors can do. >, >What would be really cool would be Sinead's creating her own label, after >spending some quality time with her family! She'd then have all the >artistic freedom she wants, and who knows what would come of it!! >Just a dream! (Sigh.) Well, it has worked for Ani diFranco! Blind Dancer. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From jitr-owner Fri Aug 3 10:07:19 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f73H7JC24127 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:07:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.14.160]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with ESMTP id f73H7Ff24124 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:07:16 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:07:12 -0700 Received: from 62.83.79.38 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 03 Aug 2001 17:07:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [62.83.79.38] From: "Blind Dancer" To: castle@sezampro.yu, jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Meeting in Serbia Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 17:07:12 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2001 17:07:12.0491 (UTC) FILETIME=[BCD80BB0:01C11C3E] Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ > >It would be grate if some of you want to come in Serbia. If it is in Serbia, I'd prefer it to be in summer rather than in the spring. The reason I see to go to Serbia is that otherwise, people who want to come to the meeting won't be able to; but I don't think that our going to Serbia is going to give us any publicity. It's not as if U2 made a concert in Sarajevo, you know. Oh my God... I am imagining Sinéad coming to Serbia, making speeches about the hipocrisy of the people who deny Ivana a visa and getting herself talked about. :) I think that so far we have less than ten people who have said they want to come. As a very famous and >succesfull individual here I could arrange everything, accomodation....... >PLEASE think about that. And ofcourse who wants to know something about me >could > >ask me. I am eager to hear your answers. If you don't mind me asking, what is it that makes you famous in your country? I know very little about your country, apart from politics. Forgive me if my questions are rude, but I'm just ignorant. But please tell us: where in Serbia do you live? Are there enough hotels in the city in the case that 100 people turned up in the middle of July? Can you tell us the price of some things in dollars or pounds so that we can figure out if life there is more expensive than in our countries? I'd ask you the price of a coffee, a cigarretes packet and a meal at a cheap restaurant. Blind Dancer _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From jitr-owner Fri Aug 3 10:15:22 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f73HFMo24195 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:15:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f264.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.139]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with ESMTP id f73HFIf24189 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:15:18 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:15:15 -0700 Received: from 212.98.7.48 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 03 Aug 2001 17:15:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [212.98.7.48] From: "Deniz Cebe" To: blinddancer@hotmail.com, kll2277@hotmail.com, jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Sinéad and record labels. Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 20:15:14 +0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2001 17:15:15.0074 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC7C5E20:01C11C3F] Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ From: "Blind Dancer" >To: kll2277@hotmail.com, jitr@postmodern.com >Subject: Sinéad and record labels. >Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 16:53:05 +0000 Hi, >Deniz, it's not a bad thing that an artist leaves a label. R.E.M. became >famous (and their music improved) after leaving their first label. George >Michael gained respectability when he was finally allowed to switch labels >(this doesn't mean I like him or his music). Yeah, but Sinéad already had that phase when she left EMI/Chrysalis. And then she signed a new deal with a "good" label for like 4 or 5 full-length albums, she released a label debut which was a commercial flop and eventually got dropped, I believe. That what makes it sad for me -- she must be feeling very bitter about having the whole thing start again with a new label, new album, new promotion and effort, d'you know what I mean? Deniz _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From jitr-owner Fri Aug 3 10:33:25 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f73HXPn24306 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:33:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from mail2.sezampro.yu (mail2.sezampro.yu [194.106.188.9]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with SMTP id f73HXKf24301 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:33:20 -0700 Received: from castle@ppp65-090.verat.net (authenticated as castle) by SezamPro with SMTP on Fri, 3 Aug 2001 19:33:16 +0200 Message-ID: <3B6AE05E.A8EB333C@sezampro.yu> Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 19:33:18 +0200 From: ivana Organization: nd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Blind Dancer CC: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Meeting in Serbia References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ I live in Belgrade (capital of Yugoslavia) Yes for sure we have Hayat regency and Intercontinental and other cheaper. We have more than 50 hotels in Belgrade. Belgrade is a city with 2,5 Milions of people. In *** Hotel room for foreigners is about 50$ *but I will check this* Example: Coffe is here 0.5 $ and beer local-0.7 $ and Guinness is 2.5$. Cigaretes Lucky Strike 100s is 1$. One solid dinner in restaurant is about 5$. and I have cheaper examples and more expencive for sure. Ivana From jitr-owner Fri Aug 3 12:22:42 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f73JMgx25021 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:22:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from fins.uits.indiana.edu (fins.uits.indiana.edu [129.79.6.185]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with ESMTP id f73JMcf25018 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:22:38 -0700 Received: from maryland.exchange.indiana.edu (maryland.exchange.indiana.edu [129.79.6.163]) by fins.uits.indiana.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1/IUPO) with ESMTP id f73JMc811538; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:22:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by maryland.exchange.indiana.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:22:39 -0500 Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4F05@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Deniz Cebe'" , blinddancer@hotmail.com, kll2277@hotmail.com, jitr@postmodern.com Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_Sin=E9ad_and_record_labels=2E?= Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:22:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by penguin.postmodern.com id f73JMdf25019 Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ hi, yes i understnad what you mean Deniz, but I think that is the way the music business is at the moment, which is not good. but they won't spend a dime on development even if they like the artist, in fact if they can't make immediate cash they drop an artist and move on.they want immdeiate financial gain from an artist withouth hardly any promotion, development or time. This is a recipe for disater!!! in the future , instead of making artists comfortable to pursue their art and create great music instead the artist will be worried about selling 1 million copies in order to have a chance to make another cd. the labels don't develop artists they believe in or give a really spectacular aritst like a sinead, they just try to get a piece at what's "in" at the monent and if they don't make an immediate profit then they move on to the next oen they can use. Very much liek a leach of sorts. Anyway they only care about the buck and care litle about art or music and in sinead's case both, I would think Sienad would be an asssett to any label she decides to be on and in fact I would think she would be able to prety much choose. 8-) Denis Denis taaffe denis_aliengr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: Deniz Cebe [mailto:dcebe@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 12:15 PM To: blinddancer@hotmail.com; kll2277@hotmail.com; jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Sinéad and record labels. From: "Blind Dancer" >To: kll2277@hotmail.com, jitr@postmodern.com >Subject: Sinéad and record labels. >Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 16:53:05 +0000 Hi, >Deniz, it's not a bad thing that an artist leaves a label. R.E.M. became >famous (and their music improved) after leaving their first label. George >Michael gained respectability when he was finally allowed to switch labels >(this doesn't mean I like him or his music). Yeah, but Sinéad already had that phase when she left EMI/Chrysalis. And then she signed a new deal with a "good" label for like 4 or 5 full-length albums, she released a label debut which was a commercial flop and eventually got dropped, I believe. That what makes it sad for me -- she must be feeling very bitter about having the whole thing start again with a new label, new album, new promotion and effort, d'you know what I mean? Deniz _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From jitr-owner Fri Aug 3 12:24:57 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f73JOvD25037 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:24:57 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from fins.uits.indiana.edu (fins.uits.indiana.edu [129.79.6.185]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with ESMTP id f73JOrf25032 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:24:54 -0700 Received: from massachusetts.exchange.indiana.edu (massachusetts.exchange.indiana.edu [129.79.6.159]) by fins.uits.indiana.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1/IUPO) with ESMTP id f73JOq810478; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:24:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by massachusetts.exchange.indiana.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:24:52 -0500 Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4F06@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'ivana'" , Blind Dancer Cc: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: RE: Meeting in Serbia Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:24:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hi, ok we will all meet in bloomington, IN and you can all stay in my yard which should be big enough to accomadate the list, how's that,I will start building little shantees out of card board boxes for you, that should be a real treat... 8-0 Denis denis taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: ivana [mailto:castle@sezampro.yu] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 12:33 PM To: Blind Dancer Cc: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Meeting in Serbia I live in Belgrade (capital of Yugoslavia) Yes for sure we have Hayat regency and Intercontinental and other cheaper. We have more than 50 hotels in Belgrade. Belgrade is a city with 2,5 Milions of people. In *** Hotel room for foreigners is about 50$ *but I will check this* Example: Coffe is here 0.5 $ and beer local-0.7 $ and Guinness is 2.5$. Cigaretes Lucky Strike 100s is 1$. One solid dinner in restaurant is about 5$. and I have cheaper examples and more expencive for sure. Ivana From jitr-owner Fri Aug 3 12:55:17 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f73JtHP25284 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:55:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from server.postmodern.com (server.postmodern.com [216.240.39.3]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with ESMTP id f73JtDf25281 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:55:13 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f185.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.185]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-001222r) with ESMTP id MAA25316 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:54:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:54:45 -0700 Received: from 212.98.29.56 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 03 Aug 2001 19:54:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [212.98.29.56] From: "Deniz Cebe" To: pille.karlson@mail.ee, jitr@server.postmodern.com Subject: Re: jitr meeting & Madonna Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 22:54:45 +0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2001 19:54:45.0336 (UTC) FILETIME=[24CE7580:01C11C56] Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ >From: "PK" >Reply-To: "PK" >To: "jitr" >Subject: jitr meeting & Madonna >Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 16:41:41 +0300 >btw, I loved what Sinéad said in her article on Luc Besson's Joan of Arc- >*Disappointingly, Madonna performs the end song. I hardly think Madonna is >the Image of Female Heroism. Maybe I am just jealous, but it weakens the >movie to hear her. I suggest they replace her with me!* >cheeky, ehh?!! Yep, but also very embarassing bcs Sinéad's making a BIG mistake -- that is, mistaking Noa with Madonna!!! Deniz _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From jitr-owner Fri Aug 3 21:00:34 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f7440YP01711 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 21:00:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (root@proxy2.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with ESMTP id f7440XB01708 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 21:00:33 -0700 Received: from jerusalem (sdn-ar-002casfraP275.dialsprint.net [168.191.203.77]) by proxy2.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with SMTP id UAA10137; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 20:59:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002301c11c99$68e69340$4dcbbfa8@jerusalem> From: "Dan Duncan" To: "Blind Dancer" , , References: Subject: Re: Meeting in Serbia Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 20:56:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ >From what little experience I have had in Greece, which is not that far away, Spring would be a much better time to visit. For one, it would not be in the tourist season, AND the weather is more temperate. And the mosquitoes are more quiet. Is this being unfair to mention mosquitoes, or are they more of a Greek problem? Of course, mosquitoes are generally NOT ALLOWED in the NATO countries, except of course in Greece. If it could be right after Easter (Pascha) it could really be incredible, at least from the little I know of that area. Sinead might even be persuaded to do a concert for Bright Week in Belgrade. Or is my personal dream getting too big? I mean, Sinead already knows Ireland.... Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blind Dancer" To: ; Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 10:07 AM Subject: Meeting in Serbia > > > >It would be grate if some of you want to come in Serbia. > If it is in Serbia, I'd prefer it to be in summer rather than in the spring. > The reason I see to go to Serbia is that otherwise, people who want to come > to the meeting won't be able to; but I don't think that our going to Serbia > is going to give us any publicity. It's not as if U2 made a concert in > Sarajevo, you know. Oh my God... I am imagining Sinéad coming to Serbia, > making speeches about the hipocrisy of the people who deny Ivana a visa and > getting herself talked about. :) > > I think that so far we have less than ten people who have said they want to > come. > > As a very famous and > >succesfull individual here I could arrange everything, accomodation....... > >PLEASE think about that. And ofcourse who wants to know something about me > >could > > > >ask me. I am eager to hear your answers. > If you don't mind me asking, what is it that makes you famous in your > country? > > I know very little about your country, apart from politics. Forgive me if my > questions are rude, but I'm just ignorant. But please tell us: where in > Serbia do you live? Are there enough hotels in the city in the case that 100 > people turned up in the middle of July? Can you tell us the price of some > things in dollars or pounds so that we can figure out if life there is more > expensive than in our countries? I'd ask you the price of a coffee, a > cigarretes packet and a meal at a cheap restaurant. > > Blind Dancer > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > From jitr-owner Sat Aug 4 01:30:03 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f748U3f02455 for jitr-outgoing; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 01:30:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from server.postmodern.com (server.postmodern.com [216.240.39.3]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with ESMTP id f748U2B02452 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 01:30:02 -0700 Received: from loom.online.ee (loom.online.ee [194.106.96.5]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-001222r) with SMTP id BAA25611 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 01:29:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 29894 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2001 10:29:59 +0200 Received: from hi1-solo-177.dyn.online.ee (HELO user) (213.180.14.177) by loom.online.ee with SMTP; 4 Aug 2001 10:29:59 +0200 Message-ID: <002201c11cb7$aaec72a0$b10eb4d5@user> Reply-To: "PK" From: "PK" To: "jitr" References: Subject: Re: jitr meeting & Madonna Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 09:58:49 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ "se non `e vero , `e ben trovato" --- pk > >btw, I loved what Sinéad said in her article on Luc Besson's Joan of Arc- > >*Disappointingly, Madonna performs the end song. I hardly think Madonna is > >the Image of Female Heroism. Maybe I am just jealous, but it weakens the > >movie to hear her. I suggest they replace her with me!* > >cheeky, ehh?!! > > Yep, but also very embarassing bcs Sinéad's making a BIG mistake -- that is, > mistaking Noa with Madonna!!! > > Deniz From jitr-owner Sat Aug 4 06:49:49 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f74DnnX03490 for jitr-outgoing; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 06:49:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.15.216]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with ESMTP id f74DnmB03487 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 06:49:48 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 06:49:44 -0700 Received: from 62.83.92.200 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 04 Aug 2001 13:49:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [62.83.92.200] From: "Blind Dancer" To: dtaaffe@indiana.edu, jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Serbia and shanties. Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 13:49:43 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2001 13:49:44.0097 (UTC) FILETIME=[51105910:01C11CEC] Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ See, Denis, I don't understand your sarcasm. Ivana has been the first person to say that meeting would be a good idea; she is showing a lot of enthusiasm. You don't have the right to make fun of her, especially when what you don't like is not exactly her fault. I also live in a country where a cup of coffee might cost you about 0.5$ and the cheapest beer might cost you 0.7$. This does not mean that I live in a poor country or that I live in a cardboard shanties. There are things in many European countries that are a lot cheaper than in the USA and that does not imply our countries are underdeveloped. Besides, the reason why somebody said we could meet in Serbia was, a)so that Ivana could be there, b)so that we did a small political gesture, c)so that the money we would spend, no matter how little, would help Serbia's economy. Nobody said it was going to be a treat. Blind Dancer. >ok we will all meet in bloomington, IN and you can all stay in my yard >which >should be big enough to accomadate the list, how's that,I will start >building little shantees out of card board boxes for you, that should be a >real treat... 8-0 > >Denis > >denis taaffe >denis_aliengtr@geocities.com >http://www.dtguitar.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: ivana [mailto:castle@sezampro.yu] >Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 12:33 PM >To: Blind Dancer >Cc: jitr@postmodern.com >Subject: Re: Meeting in Serbia > > >I live in Belgrade (capital of Yugoslavia) >Yes for sure we have Hayat regency and Intercontinental and other cheaper. >We >have more than 50 hotels in Belgrade. Belgrade is a city with 2,5 Milions >of >people. >In *** Hotel room for foreigners is about 50$ *but I will check this* > >Example: Coffe is here 0.5 $ and beer local-0.7 $ and Guinness is 2.5$. >Cigaretes Lucky Strike 100s is 1$. One solid dinner in restaurant is about >5$. >and I have cheaper examples and more expencive for sure. > >Ivana > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From jitr-owner Sat Aug 4 06:49:35 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f74DnZw03485 for jitr-outgoing; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 06:49:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.14.165]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with ESMTP id f74DnYB03479 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 06:49:34 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 06:49:29 -0700 Received: from 62.83.92.200 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 04 Aug 2001 13:49:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [62.83.92.200] From: "Blind Dancer" To: dtaaffe@indiana.edu, jitr@postmodern.com Subject: RE: Meeting in Serbia Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 13:49:29 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2001 13:49:29.0982 (UTC) FILETIME=[48A691E0:01C11CEC] Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ See, Denis, I don't understand your sarcasm. Ivana has been the first person to say that meeting would be a good idea; she is showing a lot of enthusiasm. You don't have the right to make fun of her, especially when what you don't like is not exactly her fault. I also live in a country where a cup of coffee might cost you about 0.5$ and the cheapest beer might cost you 0.7$. This does not mean that I live in a poor country or that I live in a cardboard shanties. There are things in many European countries that are a lot cheaper than in the USA and that does not imply our countries are underdeveloped. Besides, the reason why somebody said we could meet in Serbia was, a)so that Ivana could be there, b)so that we did a small political gesture, c)so that the money we would spend, no matter how little, would help Serbia's economy. Nobody said it was going to be a treat. Blind Dancer. >ok we will all meet in bloomington, IN and you can all stay in my yard >which >should be big enough to accomadate the list, how's that,I will start >building little shantees out of card board boxes for you, that should be a >real treat... 8-0 > >Denis > >denis taaffe >denis_aliengtr@geocities.com >http://www.dtguitar.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: ivana [mailto:castle@sezampro.yu] >Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 12:33 PM >To: Blind Dancer >Cc: jitr@postmodern.com >Subject: Re: Meeting in Serbia > > >I live in Belgrade (capital of Yugoslavia) >Yes for sure we have Hayat regency and Intercontinental and other cheaper. >We >have more than 50 hotels in Belgrade. Belgrade is a city with 2,5 Milions >of >people. >In *** Hotel room for foreigners is about 50$ *but I will check this* > >Example: Coffe is here 0.5 $ and beer local-0.7 $ and Guinness is 2.5$. >Cigaretes Lucky Strike 100s is 1$. One solid dinner in restaurant is about >5$. >and I have cheaper examples and more expencive for sure. > >Ivana > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From jitr-owner Sat Aug 4 07:39:11 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f74EdBD03639 for jitr-outgoing; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 07:39:11 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f109.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.109]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with ESMTP id f74EdAB03636 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 07:39:11 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 07:39:06 -0700 Received: from 212.98.7.24 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 04 Aug 2001 14:39:06 GMT X-Originating-IP: [212.98.7.24] From: "Deniz Cebe" To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Sinéad's Turkey article for AI Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 17:39:06 +0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2001 14:39:06.0935 (UTC) FILETIME=[370D8C70:01C11CF3] Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hi - My friend finally sent me Sinéad's Turkey article which appeared in Sky magazine back in 1992. The article is written is support of Amnesty International and is one of the three in the mag's speacial feature. The others are Tibet by Seal and South Africa by Boy George. I've transcribed Sinéad's part for you, enjoy! Online version can be found at: http://www.members.tripod.com/dcebe/amnesty.htm CRY FREEDOM Sky Magazine, November 1992 TURKEY: SINEAD O’CONNOR Earlier this year Turkish police murdered Biseng Anik, a 16-year old girl from Turkey’s Sirndah province. Before she died she had been viciously tortured. Her grandfather told Amnesty that “her hands were torn between the fingers”. Someone had burnt cigarettes into her skin so her body was burned all over. Half her head was missing. Biseng Anik was arrested in March for being involved in riots which happened around the Kurdish New Year. She was one of a hundred arrested for their “crime”. Her mother said that 10 policemen came to the house to get her. Ten policemen for one girl... When they asked the police how long she’d be away, they said she could leave as soon as they'’ taken a statement from her. Later her mother got a call telling her to “come and collect the body”. The police said Biseng had killed herself. She was only 16. Her grandfather said that the bullet looked like it went through the back of her head out of her eye, but the police reckon that a rifle had been left under the bed in her cell and she used it to kill herself. So, according to the police, she picked up the rifle, manouvred it round her back, managing to keep the tip of the barrel pointing at her head and, with a spare hand, pulled the trigger and blew her brains out. It’s not that easy to shoot yourself from behind. Yet the Governor of Sirdnah province, where Biseng had lived, supported this version and the State Prosecutor claimed that the autopsy report proved that she committed suicide. After almost being beaten and tortured to death, the police finished her off by shooting her in the back of the head. They then blamed Biseng for her own murder. How can they be so confident of not getting caught that they don’t even bother to invent a proper cover story? This feeble excuse is being supported at all levels from police who killed her to the heads of justice. Nothing is going to bring Biseng back, but she deserved to have her name cleared and those responsible must be punished so that next time they’ll think twice about pulling the trigger. They didn’t think twice last time because they knew they’d get away with it. As with dozens of countries around the world, Turkey’s police are often a law unto themselves. Last year Amnesty reported that at least 500 people in over 40 countries died as a result of torture, inhumane prison conditions or in “suspicious circumstances”. In Turkey methods of torture described by people detained include being suspended by their wrists, being beaten on the soles of their feet, or having crocodile clips attached to bits of their body which are then connected to electricity. Women say they have been raped with truncheons specially adapted to administer electric shocks. Please do something about it. These things happen because the police know they can get away with it. Let them know that you and thousands of other people like you are watching and they’ll stop. Former prisoners know how it works. One told Amnesty that while he was tortured “the door flew open and in came the commanding officer. He looked at us lying on the torture table and he said, ‘We have decided to let you leave because so many people on the outside are concerned about you’.” Be one of those on the outside who are concerned. If you want to do something about Biseng’s case, write now. Send a polite letter (rude ones don’t work) to the Turkish Ambassador, Mr. Candemir Orhon, 13 Belgrave Square, London SW1X. Start the letter “Dear Ambassador”, tell him you know the about the case and ask that he press for autopsy results to be made available to Biseng’s family. It could make all the difference. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From jitr-owner Sat Aug 4 10:31:35 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f74HVZD04390 for jitr-outgoing; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 10:31:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from server.postmodern.com (server.postmodern.com [216.240.39.3]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with ESMTP id f74HVZB04387 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 10:31:35 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (oe63.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.20.198]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-001222r) with ESMTP id KAA25818 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 10:31:18 -0700 (PDT) From: kll2277@hotmail.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 10:31:06 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [216.77.91.82] To: Subject: Fw: Sinead self titled cd Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:36:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C11CEA.757659A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2001 17:31:06.0172 (UTC) FILETIME=[3DCC27C0:01C11D0B] Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C11CEA.757659A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kim Loftis=20 To: jitr@server.postmodern.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 1:34 PM Subject: Sinead self titled cd Hey all, Not to change the subject or anything, but I looked up Sinead on Amazon = a few days ago, and in the regular section of U.S releases, I found a = self titled cd. It's quite cheap, but it has no track listing, and it = doesn't say what it is. Anyone know? If it's an interview or = something, I'd love to get it, but I need to know for sure first. Can = anyone please help? Thanks, Kim P.S. Maybe for those of us here in the U.S or Canada who can't make the = European JITR meeting in Serbia, perhaps we should organize a U.S. = meeting as well? Wouldn't that be fun?? Summer, between mid May and = mid August would work for me! Any Thoughts?! ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C11CEA.757659A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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Hey all,
Not to change the subject or anything, = but I looked=20 up Sinead on Amazon a few days ago, and in the regular section of U.S = releases,=20 I found a self titled cd.  It's quite cheap, but it has no track = listing,=20 and it doesn't say what it is.  Anyone know?  If it's an = interview or=20 something, I'd love to get it, but I need to know for sure first.  = Can=20 anyone please help?
Thanks,
Kim
P.S. Maybe for those of us here in the = U.S or=20 Canada who can't make the European JITR meeting in Serbia, perhaps we = should=20 organize a U.S. meeting as well?  Wouldn't that be fun??  = Summer,=20 between mid May and mid August would work for me!  Any=20 Thoughts?!
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C11CEA.757659A0-- From jitr-owner Sat Aug 4 15:28:15 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f74MSFH05646 for jitr-outgoing; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 15:28:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with ESMTP id f74MSEB05643 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 15:28:14 -0700 Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust33.tnt14.nyc3.da.uu.net [63.23.142.33]) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA09106; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 15:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <412001864222812300@earthlink.net> X-EM-Version: 5, 0, 0, 0 X-EM-Registration: #3003520714B31D032830 X-Priority: Reply-To: amymatilda@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 5.03.40 (Windows) From: "AmyMatilda" To: "Dan Duncan" , jitr@postmodern.com, "ivana" Subject: Re: Come on, do something! Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 18:28:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Ivana, you are putting together an Irish festival? With music and arts and such? That is wonderful, and I wish you very good luck. I wish I would be able to go-- my husband says I can go anywhere I please as long as it's only overnight... ;-) but Serbia is quite far for me, as I am in New York City. I love this idea of "Jumpers" getting together, and wherever and whenever it happens, I will be there with you all in spirit. love,amyg ----- Original Message ----- From: ivana and you do not nead a visa for Serbia until end of September this year, and that will be every summer for all countries in EU, USA, Switzerland, New Zeland, Australia and..... i dont know everything. I know that I still have to prepare Irish Festival at the end of September and ---------Irish People PLEASE HELP ME--------------- ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Ivana, you are putting together an Irish festival?  With music and arts and such?  That is wonderful, and I wish you very good luck.  I wish I would be able to go-- my husband says I can go anywhere I please as long as it's only overnight...   ;-)    but Serbia is quite far for me, as I am in New York City.  I love this idea of "Jumpers" getting together, and wherever and whenever it happens, I will be there with you all in spirit.
love,amyg
----- Original Message -----
From: ivana
and you do not nead a visa for Serbia until end of September this year, and that
will be every summer for all countries in EU, USA, Switzerland, New Zeland,
Australia and..... i dont know everything. I know that I still have to prepare Irish
Festival at the end of September and ---------Irish People PLEASE HELP
ME---------------
------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From jitr-owner Sat Aug 4 22:29:12 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f755TCP08035 for jitr-outgoing; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 22:29:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from mask.uits.indiana.edu ([129.79.6.184]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with ESMTP id f755TAB08032 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 22:29:11 -0700 Received: from massachusetts.exchange.indiana.edu (massachusetts.exchange.indiana.edu [129.79.6.159]) by mask.uits.indiana.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1/IUPO) with ESMTP id f755S5s21030; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 00:28:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by massachusetts.exchange.indiana.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 00:29:15 -0500 Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4F10@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Blind Dancer'" , "Taaffe, Denis G" , jitr@postmodern.com Subject: RE: Meeting in Serbia Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 00:29:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hi, Oh no I wasn't being sarcastic my shantee remark was beause they had shantee's made a few years ago for a huge group that came to my school......no this had nothing to do with Ivana's suggestion at all, no i was just thinking of where I would put all those people if they came to my place in the usa is all, please don't take any offence, maybe I should have been clearer or more observant, actually a list meeting is neat idea in fact I would love to see a USA one as well... DEnis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: Blind Dancer [mailto:blinddancer@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 8:49 AM To: dtaaffe@indiana.edu; jitr@postmodern.com Subject: RE: Meeting in Serbia See, Denis, I don't understand your sarcasm. Ivana has been the first person to say that meeting would be a good idea; From jitr-owner Sun Aug 5 02:53:09 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f759r9I09421 for jitr-outgoing; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 02:53:09 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from mail2.sezampro.yu ([194.106.188.9]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with SMTP id f759r8B09418 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 02:53:08 -0700 Received: from castle@b68.ppp-bg.sezampro.yu by SezamPro with SMTP on Sun, 5 Aug 2001 11:53:12 +0200 Message-ID: <003601c11d95$275fb1c0$02c809c0@ivana> From: "ivana" To: References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4F10@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Subject: Re: Meeting in Serbia Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 11:58:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hi Jumpers, I was busy and I couldnt participate yesterday. I know that Serbia is far to all those people from USA and Canada, and I know that in case that we have meeting in USA I could never come. I know that sounds funny but everyone here says that I have good salary here and my salary is less than 250 $. When will I be able to come in USA? Or even France? When I said that I could participate if meeting is in Ireland next year, that was because I have opportunity for volountary work in one children camp in Ireland. I enjoy to work with children. I was working last month with Albanian children in Kosovo in one International Humanitarian Organisation, and it was not alowed to me to speek Serbian because it was dangerous. Thanks God, I believe that Serbia is something different after Milosevic. Belgrade is very alive city. Very important is that if we make this everyone who come will be able to see old Celtic Citadel in Belgrade. You didn't know that Celtic people were first on this teritory. I was in one Hostel in Belgrade's most beautifull park to ask is it possible to make meeting there, coz they have plenty of rooms, and they said that maybe is possible for us to have that Hostel only for us, with no other guests. I have to say this too. As I am very active in politics here, and vice-president in New Democracy youth. President of Mother party is Minister of police here, and I promise all possible security while Jumpers are here. More, I had a project about "Sinead O'Connor in Belgrade" and I had a plan to give that to War Child, maybe as a U2 she will come one day. But I never gave that. I counted with biggest Stadion in Yugoslavia. Who knows maybe she will come one day. Than I could use all negotiations I had already for that stadion. Thank you Jumpers Ivana From jitr-owner Sun Aug 5 02:57:27 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f759vRc09431 for jitr-outgoing; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 02:57:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from mail2.sezampro.yu ([194.106.188.9]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with SMTP id f759vPB09428 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 02:57:26 -0700 Received: from castle@b68.ppp-bg.sezampro.yu by SezamPro with SMTP on Sun, 5 Aug 2001 11:57:31 +0200 Message-ID: <005e01c11d95$c18906c0$02c809c0@ivana> From: "ivana" To: References: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4F10@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> Subject: Re: Meeting in Serbia Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 12:02:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Yes Amy, I do. with music and beer. Thank you for support. I would like that you could come. I will make short report for all "Jumpers" about Irish festival I make. All of you are invited that will be at the and of September. Deniz could you send again your letter about Amnesty International, please? Vana From jitr-owner Sun Aug 5 03:11:51 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f75ABpA09499 for jitr-outgoing; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 03:11:51 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from server.postmodern.com (server.postmodern.com [216.240.39.3]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with ESMTP id f75ABoB09496 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 03:11:50 -0700 Received: from loom.online.ee ([194.106.96.5]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-001222r) with SMTP id DAA26168 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 03:11:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11154 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2001 12:11:52 +0200 Received: from hi4-solo-73.dyn.online.ee (HELO user) (213.180.14.73) by loom.online.ee with SMTP; 5 Aug 2001 12:11:52 +0200 Message-ID: <001b01c11d8f$15d69dc0$490eb4d5@user> Reply-To: "PK" From: "PK" To: "jitr" References: <3B58B319.AF8FE4AD@postmodern.com> Subject: a weird & *old news* interview--- Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 12:14:41 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Bringing out the mother in Sinead Sinead O'Connor, ex-nun, priest and lesbian, is now a born again housewife. JANE KELLY exchanges recipes with her. Anyone might feel slightly nervous waiting to meet Sinead O'Connor. The pre-eminent female singer of the 1990s was never exactly friendly or cuddly. While Barbie Doll temptresses such as Kylie and Tiffany tried to look pretty and please their fans, mad, bad Sinead with her bovver boots and shaved head seemed a cross between a waif with hollow, haunted eyes and a she-devil. Apart from her beautiful singing, her act on and off stage mainly consisted of howling in anguished protest and making wild political gestures. Even people who'd never listened to pop music knew that she tore up a photo of the Pope on American TV, supported the IRA and sent Frank Sinatra into apoplexy by refusing to allow 'The Star Spangled Banner' to be played before her US concerts. Flaunting a T-shirt with the slogan 'If you think I'm a bitch you should see my mother', she embarrassed her relatives, had abortions, babies and breakdowns, and then came out as a lesbian. Rather than sweet femininity, Sinead always represented unstoppable, ungovernable rage. So seeing her in an expensive-looking green wool dress and kitten heels is a surprise. She looks like a demure Dublin housewife. Even more unlikely, after a decade making a raucous international hullabaloo, at 35 she says she wants to be a housewife and stay-at-home mum and that is what she always secretly wanted all along. "I'm not interested in the music business any more," she says, in her low, rather growly voice, like a teenage boy's, as she insists on pouring out the coffee. "I'd like to go on dabbling with music, but I don't want a record contract or to tour. I just want to be at home with my family." The cause of this unashamed womanliness and joy is Nick Sommerlad, 27. A journalist with the Press Association, he was posted to Dublin where they met through mutual friends. They have just moved into a house together, which she has bought in Dublin. Her large, peat-coloured eyes gleam like a child's as she says they are getting married next year. She sports her wedding ring already, and a three-diamond engagement ring. Despite her badly bitten nails, they help to make her look extremely smart and conventional. "They belonged to Nick's great-great-grandmother and his grandmother," she says. "I like having the two ancestors around me, helping me with the baking. I intend being a non-politically correct wife, baking and cooking all day and making myself sexually available." It will not be Sinead's first marriage. In 1989 she wed musician John Reynolds who left just after the birth of their son Jake, now 14, whose custody she shares. In addition, there is her daughter Roisin, five, whom she had with John Waters, a columnist for the Irish Times. Now it seems everything in the former rock star's life is as nice as pie. "I am wonderful at cooking and making cakes," she says. "I've always had this fluffy and feminine side, but it is only coming out now." It is hard to know what to make of this; there is something still very edgy about her. Perhaps it is just fragility. "I used to hide away behind a more male image because, when I went to London aged 18, I wanted to be taken seriously as a talent rather than be seen as sexual." She now has oily curls like black lamb's wool in place of the harsh baldness that went before. "I was very shy," she says. "I used to hide behind my hair. I shaved it all off as an attempt to force myself out of my own shell. But I am much more confident these days. I'm back home and in touch with my family. I am not caught up with being a rock star and I am in love. I feel as if I have died and gone to heaven. "All along, I was working for this, just to earn money so that one day I could be a full-time mum." Looking back on her tempestuous career, it's an extraordinary admission. "I hardly spent anything in those years," she muses happily. "I've saved a lot of money. I've still got my earnings from 12 years ago. So I don't have to work and I can be at home with the children. "The only thing I spend money on now is make-up," she says, but that doesn't mean she is quite turning into a Kylie. "I never wear it, I just collect it and keep it in a suitcase." Hearing this, it is a relief to know that at least part of her is still Sinead the Strange. In 1999, she was ordained as a priest in the Latin Tridentine Movement, an offshoot of the Roman Catholic church, which has split into sects. The sect she joined, the Order of Mater Dei, ordains women. For a time, Sinead went about in a dog collar and clerical robes. Her most recent album, Faith And Courage, is a collection of spiritual songs, but since she now looks like an ordinary wife I wondered if she still works as a priest. "That is still hugely important," she says, "but I don't have much time for it, as I am a full-time mum with two kids, but I am still involved with counselling, particularly the bereaved. "God sends people to me through prayer and I want to help them overcome grief, so they can end up, as I have done, in a garden of joy." If she has really found joy at last, it has been after a tortuous struggle. She was born in 1966 in a smart Dublin suburb to attractive, intelligent parents. Her father, Sean, was a structural engineer who took on a second career as a barrister. Sinead says her mother Marie, a former model, was a "genius at dressmaking". Marie was in the chorus of the local Gilbert and Sullivan society but, according to Sinead, she also hated her five children from birth. Apparently, she often kept the children without food, shut them in cupboards (sometimes naked), beat them savagely and humiliated them. "I was bought up to hate myself," Sinead claims. "She would make me lie on the floor with my legs apart and she'd spit on me and kick me. "She would make me lie there saying "I am nothing" and if the phone rang, she could talk to the other person and be all sweetness and light, even though she had her foot on her child." Eventually, when Sinead was eight, Sean left his wife because of the way she treated the children and became the first man in Irish legal history to be granted custody. But Sinead and her young brother were very disturbed by this. "Our mother used to cry and say she loved us. We felt guilty about leaving her, so we went back." Things only got worse as Marie took refuge from the world in Roman Catholicism, Valium, alcohol and terrorising her children. "Our father was supposed to see us every four months, but she told us he didn't want to see us any more and she told him that we didn't want to see him. He was brokenhearted," says Sinead. Trapped in this dark world, Sinead composed her own composite parents in the form of God, Jesus and the Virgin Mary. Thank f*** Ireland was religious," she says in a rather un-priestly way. "I had this huge thing with the Virgin Mary and I used to sit alone in my room praying for the Holy Spirit for help." Not quite enough, though. At 13, she finally ran away to join her father, but it was really too late for her to be a settled schoolgirl. She began stealing and was sent to a college for girls with behavioural problems, then to a Quaker school. She left without taking exams and, like many youngsters on the loose, ended up in London. Sinead joined a band and was quickly signed by Ensign Records. By 24, she was an international hit, when her single Nothing Compares 2U went to number one in 17 countries. Even her father, who had always known she had a good voice, was astonished. It must have seemed as if all her adolescent prayers had been answered at once, but her internal struggles were made worse by fame. "My self-esteem was really low," she says. "Even when I was hugely successful I didn't feel I had any power, I had no sense of myself and I didn't believe anyone wanted to be with me because of who I really am." She thinks even her famous baldness was connected to her experience of child abuse. "It was about hating my feminine self," she says. "I wasn't comfortable with my womanhood. If anyone fancied me, or I was attracted to someone, I used to feel very uneasy. "I was a ball of fear, acting tough but feeling total panic. My image and music were shouting about things that had happened to me, and trying to overcome my grief and terror." But it seems that time, therapy, her religious faith and the love of a good man have healed her. "Now I've come through all that and I am ready for a good relationship," she says. "You know when you've met the right man. All I want to do is have more babies and look after my husband." Sinead has even come to terms with the memory of her mother, who died in a car crash in 1985. "She was a sadist, a rabid animal," she says. "These days she wouldn't be let near any children, but I forgive her because I realise now that she didn't really know what she was doing. "I remember that she taught me to make cakes and I know I am becoming more like her as I get older, but only in the nice ways. "I wouldn't change anything as I have learned so much from the past. Abused people don't have to become abusers themselves. I'm a very cuddly mother, a pushover, no good at discipline. "What I want to be remembered for is as a loving mother." http://www.unison.ie/entertainment/stories.php3?ca=61&si=484372 From jitr-owner Sun Aug 5 03:47:15 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f75AlFE09577 for jitr-outgoing; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 03:47:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.15.101]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with ESMTP id f75AlFB09574 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 03:47:15 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 03:47:18 -0700 Received: from 62.83.95.226 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 05 Aug 2001 10:47:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [62.83.95.226] From: "Blind Dancer" To: dtaaffe@indiana.edu, jitr@postmodern.com Subject: I understand Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 10:47:18 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2001 10:47:18.0809 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF93B090:01C11D9B] Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ > >Oh no I wasn't being sarcastic my shantee remark was beause they had >shantee's made a few years ago for a huge group that came to my >school...... Oh, that's OK, sorry then. Since your email was a reply to Ivana I though you were mocking her. About an American meeting -I might be wrong, but I think it would be easier for you guys to organise an American meeting. After all, you don't depend on airplanes as much as we do, and you don't need a passport or anything of the kind (unless it's hard for a Canadian to cross the border). Blind Dancer. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From jitr-owner Sun Aug 5 11:08:46 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f75I8kW16677 for jitr-outgoing; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 11:08:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from server.postmodern.com (server.postmodern.com [216.240.39.3]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with ESMTP id f75I8jB16674 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 11:08:45 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com ([216.33.241.188]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-001222r) with ESMTP id LAA26313 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 11:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 11:08:16 -0700 Received: from 213.161.129.213 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 05 Aug 2001 18:08:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [213.161.129.213] From: "Deniz Cebe" To: pille.karlson@mail.ee, jitr@server.postmodern.com Subject: Re: a weird & *old news* interview--- Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 21:08:16 +0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2001 18:08:16.0718 (UTC) FILETIME=[99B836E0:01C11DD9] Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ GO SINEAD GO!!! ;-) I really wouldn't care if she didn't release a f*cking single song from now on -- knowing that she's finally in peace and comfort is worth the bereavement... Looking forward to taste her cakes someday! :) Deniz >From: "PK" >Reply-To: "PK" >To: "jitr" >Subject: a weird & *old news* interview--- >Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 12:14:41 +0300 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From jitr-owner Sun Aug 5 19:04:21 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f7624LQ18625 for jitr-outgoing; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:04:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from web10504.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.130.154]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with SMTP id f7624HB18622 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:04:21 -0700 Message-ID: <20010806020422.43979.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.159.18.123] by web10504.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 05 Aug 2001 19:04:22 PDT Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:04:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Kristin F Subject: tinkpix99 To: jitr@postmodern.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ I'm not sure how to do this, but my friend put me on this list and I don't know how to remove myself. I am sure you are all great people but I don't want to be o the list, I love Sinead but I don't get that active about her. Thanks Tink __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From jitr-owner Sun Aug 5 21:40:32 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f764eWN19217 for jitr-outgoing; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 21:40:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.49]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with ESMTP id f764eVB19214 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 21:40:32 -0700 Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust49.tnt8.nyc3.da.uu.net [63.27.34.49]) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA13943; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 21:40:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4120018164404010@earthlink.net> X-EM-Version: 5, 0, 0, 0 X-EM-Registration: #3003520714B31D032830 X-Priority: Reply-To: amymatilda@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 5.03.40 (Windows) From: "AmyMatilda" To: jitr@postmodern.com, "Michael P Terry" Subject: RE: Sinead Returning Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 0:40:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII My sister's husband has known Sinead since she first came to the 'States. He ran into her at that time when she declared she was quitting the music business, and he counseled her to keep writing the songs and "just throw them in a closet, or something"... which she did! :^) love,amyg ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael P Terry BUT, Sinead is a wonderful singer/songwriter. Her talent is so strong that it seems one day sometime down the road (let's hope it doesn't take five years) she'll get the feeling, she'll be moved and find herself writing lyrics, sitting down at the piano, picking up the guitar, and then the world will have an outstanding album to be moved by... ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
My sister's husband has known Sinead since she first came to the 'States.  He ran into her at that time when she declared she was quitting the music business, and he counseled her to keep writing the songs and "just throw them in a closet, or something"...  which she did!  :^)
love,amyg
----- Original Message -----
BUT, Sinead is a wonderful singer/songwriter.  Her talent is so strong
that it seems one day sometime down the road (let's hope it doesn't take
five years) she'll get the feeling, she'll be moved and find herself
writing lyrics, sitting down at the piano, picking up the guitar, and
then the world will have an outstanding album to be moved by...
------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From jitr-owner Mon Aug 6 01:29:58 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) id f768Tw620728 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 01:29:58 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: majordom set sender to owner-jitr@postmodern.com using -f Received: from lh11.opsion.fr (lh11.opsion.fr [212.73.208.237]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with SMTP id f768TuB20725 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 01:29:56 -0700 Received: from 217.128.23.253 [217.128.23.253] by lh11.opsion.fr; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 08:25:57 GMT Message-ID: <001501c11e52$9114de20$fd1780d9@g0e7v3> Reply-To: "Bruno" From: "Bruno" To: References: <4120018164404010@earthlink.net> Subject: Article in the Irish Independant Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 10:34:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C11E63.54208EE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.5 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C11E63.54208EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Last tuesday when I was in Ireland , I bought the Irish independant = because ther's was an whole long page interview withg sinead and a = picture. I will put in online soon... ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C11E63.54208EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Last tuesday when I was in Ireland , I = bought the=20 Irish independant because ther's was an whole long pag