From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 01:49:59 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id BAA26402 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 01:49:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.cs.uta.fi (root@mail.cs.uta.fi [153.1.55.25]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id BAA26397 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 01:49:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from curly (curly.cs.uta.fi [153.1.55.209]) by mail.cs.uta.fi (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA23795; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:51:23 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001101115055.00ad63e0@mail.cs.uta.fi> X-Sender: curly@mail.cs.uta.fi X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 11:52:09 +0200 To: KasdanR@aol.com, jitr@postmodern.com From: Paivi Majaranta Subject: Re: Re: Sinead + Pogues In-Reply-To: <97.c6ca957.27306c2e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ At 13:40 31.10.2000 -0500, KasdanR@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 10/31/2000 9:37:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, >curly@cs.uta.fi writes: > > > Napster found tens of hits for: > > "Pogues with Sinead O'Connor - I'm a Man You Don't Meet Every Day". > > >??!!! I'd be quite curious about this, too. >I have only hear this with Cait O'Riordan. I bought _Rum, Sodomy and the >Lash_ because of her version of this song-- when I told her this once when we >met years later, the self-effacing Cait said: "Oh, I suppose you'll be >wanting your money back, then...". :-) Having heard the song for several times now, I'm 99% sure it's NOT Sinead. (But then, I did not recognize her from "My Prince Will Come"...) - Curly From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 03:17:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id DAA26601 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 03:17:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from Larigot.ucd.ie (student.ucd.ie [137.43.1.22]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id DAA26597 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 03:17:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from lg3ptrpc2 (lg3ptrpc2.ucd.ie) by Larigot.ucd.ie (PMDF V5.1-10 #U4690) with ESMTP id <0G3C000DXFF1Q2@Larigot.ucd.ie> for jitr@postmodern.com; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:18:37 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 11:18:36 +0000 From: Julia Maria Seemann Subject: Jealous single To: jitr@postmodern.com Message-id: <39FFFC0C.32248.1153BE@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ SINEAD..........What is this supposed to be???? What a terrible ugly artificial lesbian photograph used as the "Jealous cover"?????? Oh my GOD!!!! It was the first time I really felt ashamed standing in front of the counter with this thing in my hands. Julja From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 03:29:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id DAA26635 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 03:29:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f51.hotmail.com [216.32.181.51]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id DAA26631 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 03:29:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 03:30:07 -0800 Received: from 193.133.137.241 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 01 Nov 2000 11:30:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [193.133.137.241] From: "ninth wave" To: a00bf5e2@student.ucd.ie, jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Jealous single Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 11:30:07 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2000 11:30:07.0702 (UTC) FILETIME=[1654E760:01C043F7] Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Julja Please can you explian your use of the adjective "lesbian" in this posting? I'm extremely offended because I happen to be one!!!!!! Thanks for nothing - I'm sure Sinead would be overjoyed by your shallow comments!!!!!!!! Mandy >From: Julia Maria Seemann >To: jitr@postmodern.com >Subject: Jealous single >Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 11:18:36 +0000 > >SINEAD..........What is this supposed to be???? >What a terrible ugly artificial lesbian photograph used as the >"Jealous cover"?????? > >Oh my GOD!!!! > >It was the first time I really felt ashamed standing in front of the >counter with this thing in my hands. > >Julja _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 03:30:16 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id DAA26666 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 03:30:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f177.hotmail.com [216.32.181.177]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id DAA26662 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 03:30:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 03:31:15 -0800 Received: from 193.133.137.241 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 01 Nov 2000 11:31:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [193.133.137.241] From: "ninth wave" To: a00bf5e2@student.ucd.ie, jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Jealous single Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 11:31:14 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2000 11:31:15.0226 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E943FA0:01C043F7] Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Can we get beyond this cover and be happy about the fantastic bonus tracks??? Mandy >From: Julia Maria Seemann >To: jitr@postmodern.com >Subject: Jealous single >Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 11:18:36 +0000 > >SINEAD..........What is this supposed to be???? >What a terrible ugly artificial lesbian photograph used as the >"Jealous cover"?????? > >Oh my GOD!!!! > >It was the first time I really felt ashamed standing in front of the >counter with this thing in my hands. > >Julja _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 04:30:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id EAA26732 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 04:30:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com [207.46.181.19]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id EAA26728 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 04:30:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from computer - 63.42.227.110 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 04:31:54 -0800 Message-ID: <000f01c037b8$6467ac80$6ee32a3f@computer> From: "home07036" To: "ninth wave" Cc: , "Jeffery W. Fleming" , References: Subject: Re: Jealous single Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:30:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C0377D.978E50E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C0377D.978E50E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable so what. everyone on this list is a lesbian or homosexual,,,,,so = what......really this conversation can go on for week ( or 3). really = does sexuality matter? I agree it is not her best photo, mbar that was = an odd verbal description,but she felt it was masculine picture, SO = WHAT!!! that is why this is an open forum.. to speak freely with other = people who aren't wrapped up with the whole hetero- home thing...and = thinking of sinead, and some of her words and previous actions I think = that she would expect "hope and understanding" to bring this adverse = world (list) together. rev. m mathers p.s. why does the some of the homosexual community feel the world = revolves around sexuality (or the persons sexual preference)....I feel = sexuality is a state of being. I really think that sometimes they act = like being gay is an open invitation to "different" and you must watch = your mouth around them ect. well then where a sign..."hi I am Julia I am = a lesbian" of course,that would be silly and really just looking for = attention. here in N.Y, if you are not gay you are a minority.....so = what ..we are all just people on the earth to us, I feel their are = larger problems to worry about then to look for anything to offend me ( = such as a silly description of a picture which seemed extremely light = hearted and I really don't think they meant to offend the whole gay = community on a sinead fan list,,,,but Julia you never know.... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ninth wave=20 To: a00bf5e2@student.ucd.ie ; jitr@postmodern.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 4:30 AM Subject: Re: Jealous single Julja Please can you explian your use of the adjective "lesbian" in this = posting? =20 I'm extremely offended because I happen to be one!!!!!! Thanks for nothing - I'm sure Sinead would be overjoyed by your = shallow=20 comments!!!!!!!! Mandy >From: Julia Maria Seemann >To: jitr@postmodern.com >Subject: Jealous single >Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 11:18:36 +0000 > >SINEAD..........What is this supposed to be???? >What a terrible ugly artificial lesbian photograph used as the >"Jealous cover"?????? > >Oh my GOD!!!! > >It was the first time I really felt ashamed standing in front of the >counter with this thing in my hands. > >Julja = _________________________________________________________________________= Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at = http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at=20 http://profiles.msn.com. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C0377D.978E50E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
so what. everyone on this list = is a lesbian=20 or homosexual,,,,,so what......really this conversation can go on for = week ( or=20 3). really does sexuality matter? I agree it is not her best = photo, mbar=20 that was  an odd verbal description,but she felt it was masculine = picture,=20 SO WHAT!!!  that is why this is an open forum..  to speak = freely with=20 other people who aren't wrapped up with the whole hetero- home = thing...and=20 thinking of sinead, and some of her words and previous actions I think = that she=20 would expect "hope and understanding" to bring this adverse world (list) = together.
 
    =    =20             =    =20             =    =20         rev. m mathers
 
p.s. why does the some of the = homosexual=20 community feel the world revolves around sexuality (or the persons = sexual=20 preference)....I feel sexuality is a state of being.  I = really =20 think that sometimes they act like being gay is an open invitation=20 to "different" and you must watch your mouth around them ect. = well=20 then where a sign..."hi I am Julia I am a lesbian"  of course,that=20 would  be silly and really just looking for = attention. here in=20 N.Y, if you are not gay you are a minority.....so what ..we are all just = people=20 on the earth to us, I feel their are larger problems to worry about then = to=20 look for anything to = offend me ( such=20 as a silly description of a picture which seemed extremely light = hearted=20 and I really don't think they  meant to offend the whole gay = community on a=20 sinead fan list,,,,but Julia you never know....
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ninth=20 wave
To: a00bf5e2@student.ucd.ie ; = jitr@postmodern.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, = 2000 4:30=20 AM
Subject: Re: Jealous = single

Julja

Please can you explian your use of the = adjective=20 "lesbian" in this posting? 
I'm extremely offended because I = happen=20 to be one!!!!!!

Thanks for nothing - I'm sure Sinead would be = overjoyed=20 by your shallow =
comments!!!!!!!!

Mandy



>From:=20 Julia Maria Seemann <a00bf5e2@student.ucd.ie>>To:=20 jitr@postmodern.com
>Subjec= t:=20 Jealous single
>Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 11:18:36=20 +0000
>
>SINEAD..........What is this supposed to=20 be????
>What a terrible ugly artificial lesbian photograph used = as=20 the
>"Jealous cover"??????
>
>Oh my=20 GOD!!!!
>
>It was the first time I really felt ashamed = standing in=20 front of the
>counter with this thing in my=20 = hands.
>
>Julja

______________________________________= ___________________________________
Get=20 Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

Share = information about yourself, create your own public profile at
http://profiles.msn.com.
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C0377D.978E50E0-- From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 04:36:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id EAA26782 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 04:36:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f259.hotmail.com [216.32.180.217]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id EAA26778 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 04:36:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 04:37:29 -0800 Received: from 193.133.137.241 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 01 Nov 2000 12:37:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [193.133.137.241] From: "ninth wave" To: home07036@email.msn.com Cc: bakenjake@redshift.com, jwf2000@teleport.com, jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Jealous single Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 12:37:29 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2000 12:37:29.0287 (UTC) FILETIME=[7F4DD570:01C04400] Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ The word lesbian was used here in a negative sense - I'm sick and tired of the open homophobia on this list. That was the point I wanted to make. Mandy >From: "home07036" >To: "ninth wave" >CC: , "Jeffery W. Fleming" , > >Subject: Re: Jealous single >Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:30:11 -0700 > >so what. everyone on this list is a lesbian or homosexual,,,,,so >what......really this conversation can go on for week ( or 3). really does >sexuality matter? I agree it is not her best photo, mbar that was an odd >verbal description,but she felt it was masculine picture, SO WHAT!!! that >is why this is an open forum.. to speak freely with other people who >aren't wrapped up with the whole hetero- home thing...and thinking of >sinead, and some of her words and previous actions I think that she would >expect "hope and understanding" to bring this adverse world (list) >together. > > rev. m mathers > >p.s. why does the some of the homosexual community feel the world revolves >around sexuality (or the persons sexual preference)....I feel sexuality is >a state of being. I really think that sometimes they act like being gay >is an open invitation to "different" and you must watch your mouth around >them ect. well then where a sign..."hi I am Julia I am a lesbian" of >course,that would be silly and really just looking for attention. here in >N.Y, if you are not gay you are a minority.....so what ..we are all just >people on the earth to us, I feel their are larger problems to worry about >then to look for anything to offend me ( such as a silly description of a >picture which seemed extremely light hearted and I really don't think they >meant to offend the whole gay community on a sinead fan list,,,,but Julia >you never know.... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ninth wave > To: a00bf5e2@student.ucd.ie ; jitr@postmodern.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 4:30 AM > Subject: Re: Jealous single > > > Julja > > Please can you explian your use of the adjective "lesbian" in this >posting? > I'm extremely offended because I happen to be one!!!!!! > > Thanks for nothing - I'm sure Sinead would be overjoyed by your shallow > comments!!!!!!!! > > Mandy > > > > >From: Julia Maria Seemann > >To: jitr@postmodern.com > >Subject: Jealous single > >Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 11:18:36 +0000 > > > >SINEAD..........What is this supposed to be???? > >What a terrible ugly artificial lesbian photograph used as the > >"Jealous cover"?????? > > > >Oh my GOD!!!! > > > >It was the first time I really felt ashamed standing in front of the > >counter with this thing in my hands. > > > >Julja > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 04:37:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id EAA26812 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 04:37:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (smtp.email.msn.com [207.46.181.60]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id EAA26808 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 04:37:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from computer - 63.42.227.110 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 04:38:19 -0800 Message-ID: <002301c037b9$499123e0$6ee32a3f@computer> From: "home07036" To: "ninth wave" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Jealous single Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:37:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01C0377E.9C274480" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C0377E.9C274480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable in my opinion this is a much better perspective...think about the great = music we have rather than....black, white, Iranian, Homo, transvestite, = Mongolian, irish,drug addict, prostitute,senators,lawyers,down's = syndrome, greek,spanish, dutch, german. their is just to many to take = everything personal. don't you think? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ninth wave=20 To: a00bf5e2@student.ucd.ie ; jitr@postmodern.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 4:31 AM Subject: Re: Jealous single Can we get beyond this cover and be happy about the fantastic bonus=20 tracks??? Mandy >From: Julia Maria Seemann >To: jitr@postmodern.com >Subject: Jealous single >Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 11:18:36 +0000 > >SINEAD..........What is this supposed to be???? >What a terrible ugly artificial lesbian photograph used as the >"Jealous cover"?????? > >Oh my GOD!!!! > >It was the first time I really felt ashamed standing in front of the >counter with this thing in my hands. > >Julja = _________________________________________________________________________= Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at = http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at=20 http://profiles.msn.com. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C0377E.9C274480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
in my opinion this is a much = better=20 perspective...think about the great music we have rather than....black, = white,=20 Iranian, Homo, transvestite, Mongolian, irish,drug addict,=20 prostitute,senators,lawyers,down's syndrome, greek,spanish, dutch,=20 german. their is just to many to take everything personal. don't = you=20 think?
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ninth=20 wave
To: a00bf5e2@student.ucd.ie ; = jitr@postmodern.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, = 2000 4:31=20 AM
Subject: Re: Jealous = single

Can we get beyond this cover and be happy about the = fantastic=20 bonus
tracks???

Mandy




>From: Julia = Maria=20 Seemann <a00bf5e2@student.ucd.ie>>To:=20 jitr@postmodern.com
>Subjec= t:=20 Jealous single
>Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 11:18:36=20 +0000
>
>SINEAD..........What is this supposed to=20 be????
>What a terrible ugly artificial lesbian photograph used = as=20 the
>"Jealous cover"??????
>
>Oh my=20 GOD!!!!
>
>It was the first time I really felt ashamed = standing in=20 front of the
>counter with this thing in my=20 = hands.
>
>Julja

______________________________________= ___________________________________
Get=20 Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

Share = information about yourself, create your own public profile at
http://profiles.msn.com.
------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C0377E.9C274480-- From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 04:48:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id EAA26854 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 04:48:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com [207.46.181.18]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id EAA26850 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 04:48:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from computer - 63.44.62.83 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 04:49:47 -0800 Message-ID: <006001c037ba$e36ba020$6ee32a3f@computer> From: "home07036" To: Subject: Fw: Jealous single Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:48:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005D_01C03780.30CC2280" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C03780.30CC2280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks you clearly are an intelligent human being ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ninth wave=20 To: home07036@email.msn.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 5:38 AM Subject: Re: Jealous single Cheers ;-) >From: "home07036" >To: "ninth wave" >Subject: Re: Jealous single >Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:32:20 -0700 > >right ....I agree > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ninth wave > To: a00bf5e2@student.ucd.ie ; jitr@postmodern.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 4:31 AM > Subject: Re: Jealous single > > > Can we get beyond this cover and be happy about the fantastic bonus > tracks??? > > Mandy > > > > > >From: Julia Maria Seemann > >To: jitr@postmodern.com > >Subject: Jealous single > >Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 11:18:36 +0000 > > > >SINEAD..........What is this supposed to be???? > >What a terrible ugly artificial lesbian photograph used as the > >"Jealous cover"?????? > > > >Oh my GOD!!!! > > > >It was the first time I really felt ashamed standing in front of = the > >counter with this thing in my hands. > > > >Julja > > =20 >________________________________________________________________________= _ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at=20 >http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________= Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at = http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at=20 http://profiles.msn.com. ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C03780.30CC2280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
thanks you clearly are an = intelligent human=20 being
----- Original Message -----=20
From: ninth=20 wave
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 5:38 AM
Subject: Re: Jealous single


Cheers ;-)


>From: "home07036" <home07036@email.msn.com>>To:=20 "ninth wave" <ninthwave10@hotmail.com>>Subject:=20 Re: Jealous single
>Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:32:20=20 -0700
>
>right ....I agree
>   ----- = Original=20 Message -----
>   From: ninth wave
>   = To: a00bf5e2@student.ucd.ie ; jitr@postmodern.com
> =  =20 Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 4:31 AM
>   Subject: = Re:=20 Jealous single
>
>
>   Can we get beyond = this cover=20 and be happy about the fantastic bonus
>  =20 tracks???
>
>  =20 Mandy
>
>
>
>
>   >From: = Julia Maria=20 Seemann <a00bf5e2@student.ucd.ie>>  =20 >To: jitr@postmodern.com
> =  =20 >Subject: Jealous single
>   >Date: Wed, 01 Nov = 2000=20 11:18:36 +0000
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>  =20 >SINEAD..........What is this supposed to be????
>   = >What=20 a terrible ugly artificial lesbian photograph used as = the
>  =20 >"Jealous cover"??????
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>   = >Oh my=20 GOD!!!!
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>   >It was the = first time I=20 really felt ashamed standing in front of the
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<= /HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C03780.30CC2280-- From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 05:58:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id FAA26915 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 05:58:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-r03.mail.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.3]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id FAA26911 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 05:58:48 -0800 (PST) From: YMele76454@aol.com Received: from YMele76454@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id m.68.8ba7f18 (4310) for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 08:59:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <68.8ba7f18.27317bce@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 08:59:42 EST Subject: Re: Jealous single To: jitr@postmodern.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 110 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ In a message dated 11/01/2000 6:22:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, a00bf5e2@student.ucd.ie writes: << SINEAD..........What is this supposed to be???? What a terrible ugly artificial lesbian photograph used as the "Jealous cover"?????? >> It's a cool cover. She reminded me of Joan of Arc on this one. Sweet and Strong. Astriel From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 07:12:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id HAA27099 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 07:12:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-r07.mail.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id HAA27095 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 07:12:12 -0800 (PST) From: KasdanR@aol.com Received: from KasdanR@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id i.db.b9fd337 (4403); Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:11:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:11:44 EST Subject: Re: Jealous single To: ninthwave10@hotmail.com, home07036@email.msn.com CC: bakenjake@redshift.com, jwf2000@teleport.com, jitr@postmodern.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 124 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Mandy wrote: > The word lesbian was used here in a negative sense - I'm sick and tired of > the open homophobia on this list. > > That was the point I wanted to make. > I guess I'm a real "Pollyanna", but I read "artificial lesbian" and figured that the comment was just putting down the adopting of a fake lesbian image, not genuine lesbians... love,amyg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Summer draws away; Now, the Reaper's come to cut the hay; My grieving heart is yearning... for change..." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 07:45:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id HAA27228 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 07:45:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f194.hotmail.com [216.32.181.194]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id HAA27224 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 07:45:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 07:46:29 -0800 Received: from 193.133.137.241 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 01 Nov 2000 15:46:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [193.133.137.241] From: "ninth wave" To: KasdanR@aol.com Cc: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Jealous single Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 15:46:28 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2000 15:46:29.0224 (UTC) FILETIME=[E66EE680:01C0441A] Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ >I guess I'm a real "Pollyanna", but I read "artificial lesbian" and figured >that the comment was just putting down the adopting of a fake lesbian >image, >not genuine lesbians... Hi I guess I just don't see how this particular photograph makes Sinead look like a lesbian - and the words ugly artificial lesbian photo seem like a deliberate put down to me. If I've misunderstood then I apologise for my knee-jerk response. Mandy _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 09:10:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id JAA27475 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 09:10:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-r10.mail.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id JAA27471 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 09:10:47 -0800 (PST) From: IndepFilm@aol.com Received: from IndepFilm@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id m.57.d1386f4 (4333) for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:11:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <57.d1386f4.2731a8cc@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:11:40 EST Subject: JEALOUS single To: jitr@postmodern.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 7 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Like Mandy, I too, was offended by the posting. Equating lesbians with a masculine aesthetic (therefore "ugly" or anti-feminine) is ridiculous! Get a clue! Maybe you should study the dynamics of butch/femme within the culture of lesbianism to enlighten yourself and not appear so naive and limited in thought. Some think of Gender as performance art. The dichotomy between masculinity/femininity derived from a very narrow, heterosexist paradigm. Melissa From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 10:16:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id KAA27719 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:16:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from antares.netverk.com.ar (root@Antares.Netverk.Com.Ar [200.16.204.10]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id KAA27715 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:16:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from default (prime029011.netverk.com.ar [200.51.29.11]) by antares.netverk.com.ar (8.10.0/8.9.3) with SMTP id eA1I72n30208; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:07:03 -0300 Message-ID: <001501c04431$c1d93de0$0b1d33c8@default> Reply-To: "Gabriela Rossi" From: "Gabriela Rossi" To: , References: <57.d1386f4.2731a8cc@aol.com> Subject: RE: JEALOUS single Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:28:27 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ I'm sorry, but I must say something about this, because I think many of you are angry at Julja without reason. I read the message of Julja and I didn't see any bad intentions behind it (Julja, tell me if I'm wrong), and I'm really surprised for this susceptibility, and so much trouble about a simple message which didn't say IMHO anything offensive against lesbians. If you read it again carefully, what Julja criticizes is the FAKE character of the lesbian photograph, I don't see how his affect lesbians. I pray that this will not become another 3 week discussion about homosexuality, homofoby, etc. Just live and let live. Gabi. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 2:11 PM Subject: JEALOUS single > Like Mandy, I too, was offended by the posting. > > Equating lesbians with a masculine aesthetic (therefore "ugly" or > anti-feminine) is ridiculous! Get a clue! Maybe you should study the > dynamics of butch/femme within the culture of lesbianism to enlighten > yourself and not appear so naive and limited in thought. Some think of Gender > as performance art. The dichotomy between masculinity/femininity derived > from a very narrow, heterosexist paradigm. > > Melissa > From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 10:34:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id KAA28138 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:34:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.sinectis.com.ar (root@genesis.sinectis.com.ar [216.244.211.137]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id KAA28134 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:34:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc (modem73-as24.capfed1.sinectis.com.ar [216.244.247.73]) by genesis.sinectis.com.ar (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA32409 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:35:45 -0300 Message-ID: <00d101c04432$ebbc1780$acf7f4d8@pc> From: "Nikko" To: Subject: New on the list Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:29:21 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello people! I hope you are all doing well. I'm Nico (or Nikko) from Buenos Aires. I love Sinead and her music and that's why I subscribed the list. I've been reading the mails for a while and now it's that I decided myself to write some lines to you all. It's great the information you have. I enjoy it a lot. I only wish I could buy all the maxis and singles you talk about (there's no single and maxis edition in Argentina) but I only buy the ones I find by chance in import CDs stores (which are very expensive!) or on Ebay. That's it by now. Have you all a very nice day. Nikko From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 11:08:38 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id LAA28252 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:08:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (f13.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.13]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id LAA28248 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:08:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:09:34 -0800 Received: from 195.155.144.52 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 01 Nov 2000 19:09:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [195.155.144.52] From: "Deniz Cebe" To: a00bf5e2@student.ucd.ie, jitr@postmodern.com, ninthwave10@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Jealous single Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 21:09:34 EET Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2000 19:09:34.0636 (UTC) FILETIME=[458136C0:01C04437] Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hi - Knowing her in person, I'm 100% sure that Julja didn't mean this as an insult to lesbians, but I guess she was just trying to point out how terribly artificial and phoney the picture looks. To me, putting this picture on the cover of a magnificent song like Jealous is sheer stupidity, and I still haven't got around buying a copy, believe it or not. Cheers, Deniz PS. Mandy - do you also agree that Polly's new album is incredibly brilliant?!?! What a lucky couple of months it has been! >From: Julia Maria Seemann >To: jitr@postmodern.com >Subject: Jealous single >Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 11:18:36 +0000 ____________________________________________________________ UNIVERSAL MOTHER >> http://dcebe.tripod.com/main.htm THE SINÉAD O'CONNOR SITE >> http://sinead-oconnor.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 11:27:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id LAA28316 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:27:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-r04.mail.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.4]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id LAA28312 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:27:08 -0800 (PST) From: Musiclover348@cs.com Received: from Musiclover348@cs.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id m.86.2479e83 (4461) for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:27:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <86.2479e83.2731c8b5@cs.com> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:27:49 EST Subject: Re: JEALOUS single To: jitr@postmodern.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown sub 109 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ When I read Julja's post, I thought it was just her opinion of the cover photo of Sinead's single. She didn't like the picture, so what? I think it's a nice picture but everyone won't think so. It's true that as beautiful as Sinead is that they could have come up with a better picture because it doesn't take too much to snap a good one of her. I think Julja's comments were directed towards Sinead only. Well, that's my opinion. Loving Sinead, CoolPolly ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------- The Beauty of Sinead O'Connor http://members.tripod.com/sineadlover ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------- From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 11:28:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id LAA28348 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:28:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-r12.mail.aol.com (imo-r12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id LAA28344 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:28:38 -0800 (PST) From: Musiclover348@cs.com Received: from Musiclover348@cs.com by imo-r12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id v.d0.cf78998 (4461); Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:29:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:29:02 EST Subject: Re: New on the list To: ramogninos@sinectis.com.ar, jitr@postmodern.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown sub 109 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Welcome to the list, Nikko! I'm CoolPolly. Loving Sinead, CoolPolly ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------- The Beauty of Sinead O'Connor http://members.tripod.com/sineadlover ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------- From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 11:54:58 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id LAA28416 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:54:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from antares.netverk.com.ar (root@Antares.Netverk.Com.Ar [200.16.204.10]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id LAA28412 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:54:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from default (prime029075.netverk.com.ar [200.51.29.75]) by antares.netverk.com.ar (8.10.0/8.9.3) with SMTP id eA1JkJn16839; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 16:46:19 -0300 Message-ID: <005e01c0443f$9f066a00$0b1d33c8@default> Reply-To: "Gabriela Rossi" From: "Gabriela Rossi" To: "JITR" , "jay millet" References: Subject: RE: JEALOUS single Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 17:08:19 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ am I the only one who senses this terrible susceptibility of women on this list? Homosexual men are not as agressive as women about these issues, but women tend to feel offended any time the word 'lesbian' appears on a message and react with an anger I do not always understand. I haven't really seen that homofobic clima on the list (call me stupid), except once. Can we girls calm down? I say this with the best of intentions, please understand, no offense intended. I'm just thinking this list could be a better place if we don't feel harmed by others who mean no harm to us, and react violently without reason. Love, Gabi. ----- Original Message ----- From: jay millet To: Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 4:31 PM Subject: RE: JEALOUS single > > Well Said, > Thank you. > > J > > >From: "Gabriela Rossi" > >Reply-To: "Gabriela Rossi" > >To: , > >Subject: RE: JEALOUS single > >Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:28:27 -0300 > > > >I'm sorry, but I must say something about this, because I think many of you > >are angry at Julja without reason. I read the message of Julja and I didn't > >see any bad intentions behind it (Julja, tell me if I'm wrong), and I'm > >really surprised for this susceptibility, and so much trouble about a > >simple message which didn't say IMHO anything offensive against lesbians. > >If > >you read it again carefully, what Julja criticizes is the FAKE character of > >the lesbian photograph, I don't see how his affect lesbians. > >I pray that this will not become another 3 week discussion about > >homosexuality, homofoby, etc. Just live and let live. > > > >Gabi. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 2:11 PM > >Subject: JEALOUS single > > > > > > > Like Mandy, I too, was offended by the posting. > > > > > > Equating lesbians with a masculine aesthetic (therefore "ugly" or > > > anti-feminine) is ridiculous! Get a clue! Maybe you should study the > > > dynamics of butch/femme within the culture of lesbianism to enlighten > > > yourself and not appear so naive and limited in thought. Some think of > >Gender > > > as performance art. The dichotomy between masculinity/femininity > >derived > > > from a very narrow, heterosexist paradigm. > > > > > > Melissa > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 12:16:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id MAA28521 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:16:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com [207.46.181.31]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id MAA28517 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:16:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from computer - 63.44.99.55 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:16:56 -0800 Message-ID: <001001c037f9$6a257d00$37632c3f@computer> From: "home07036" To: "Deniz Cebe" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Jealous single Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:15:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C037BE.A3E0B360" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C037BE.A3E0B360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree completely. she is right and she also is free to a opinion ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Deniz Cebe=20 To: a00bf5e2@student.ucd.ie ; jitr@postmodern.com ; = ninthwave10@hotmail.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Jealous single Hi - Knowing her in person, I'm 100% sure that Julja didn't mean this as an insult to lesbians, but I guess she was just trying to point out how terribly artificial and phoney the picture looks. To me, putting this picture on the cover of a magnificent song like Jealous is sheer stupidity, and I still haven't got around buying a copy, believe it or not. Cheers, Deniz PS. Mandy - do you also agree that Polly's new album is incredibly brilliant?!?! What a lucky couple of months it has been! >From: Julia Maria Seemann >To: jitr@postmodern.com >Subject: Jealous single >Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 11:18:36 +0000 ____________________________________________________________ UNIVERSAL MOTHER >> http://dcebe.tripod.com/main.htm THE SIN=C9AD O'CONNOR SITE >> http://sinead-oconnor.com = _________________________________________________________________________= Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at = http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at=20 http://profiles.msn.com. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C037BE.A3E0B360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I agree completely. she is right = and she=20 also is free to a opinion
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Deniz = Cebe=20
To: a00bf5e2@student.ucd.ie ; = jitr@postmodern.com ; ninthwave10@hotmail.com =
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, = 2000 2:09=20 PM
Subject: Re: Jealous = single

Hi -

Knowing her in person, I'm 100% sure that = Julja=20 didn't
mean this as an insult to lesbians, but I guess she = was
just=20 trying to point out how terribly artificial and
phoney the picture=20 looks.

To me, putting this picture on the cover of a=20 magnificent
song like Jealous is sheer stupidity, and I still=20 haven't
got around buying a copy, believe it or=20 not.

Cheers,

Deniz

PS. Mandy - do you also agree = that=20 Polly's new album is
incredibly brilliant?!?! What a lucky couple = of months=20 it
has been!

>From: Julia Maria Seemann <a00bf5e2@student.ucd.ie>>To:=20 jitr@postmodern.com
>Subjec= t:=20 Jealous single
>Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 11:18:36=20 = +0000

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THE=20 SIN=C9AD O'CONNOR SITE >> http://sinead-oconnor.com

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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C037BE.A3E0B360-- From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 12:36:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id MAA28576 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:36:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-r15.mail.aol.com (imo-r15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id MAA28572 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:36:33 -0800 (PST) From: Liambutts@aol.com Received: from Liambutts@aol.com by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id q.33.c2dc1c0 (7556); Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:37:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <33.c2dc1c0.2731d8f4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:37:08 EST Subject: Re: JEALOUS single To: gabrossi@netverk.com.ar, IndepFilm@aol.com, jitr@postmodern.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 109 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ In a message dated 11/1/00 1:24:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, gabrossi@netverk.com.ar writes: > I pray that this will not become another 3 week discussion about > homosexuality, homofoby, etc. Just live and let live. > I think there needs to be a 3 year discussion about these issues. They are not going away until all people accept all people no matter who they are. I like educating people who are narrow minded. And, like Melissa says "every way of seeing is a way of not seeing" BTW, Julja is a lesbian. Molly From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 12:44:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id MAA28618 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:44:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from Larigot.ucd.ie (student.ucd.ie [137.43.1.22]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id MAA28614 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:44:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from lg3b3pc2 (lg3b3pc2.ucd.ie) by Larigot.ucd.ie (PMDF V5.1-10 #U4690) with ESMTP id <0G3D00NF45NEBG@Larigot.ucd.ie> for jitr@postmodern.com; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 20:45:14 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 20:45:12 +0000 From: Julia Maria Seemann Subject: Jealous single To: jitr@postmodern.com Message-id: <3A0080D8.19225.6DEB76@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hey everybody.... hm....I can't believe what's going on now here... I was just adressing myself to Sinead and her "strange" posture on the Jelaous cover. I wasn't intending to attack anyone... would be funny though as I myself am one of the most peaceloving, peacepreaching and tolerant young women around.... ;-) Mandy...I apologize if I hurt your strong feelings towards sexuality or whatever...I really didn't mean to. I am a great admirer of Sinead's spirit and powerful mind. I feel great respect for all the work she has done. All the more I was disappointed by the artificial poppy style she begins to take over now. However, that's her decision and I respect that. I know that she knows that the "inner peace and balance" is all that matters. Like Sinead I don't believe in different sexualities. I love men but I have been in bed with a women aswell and I have to say...it was fantastic! So...what the hell are you talking about???? For me...the Jelaous cover sucks...that's all. I would rather prefer her cute smile than her muscles and a posture that...sorry...doesn't seem natural and "hers" at all. The contrast between the CD cover and this one was just so striking that I couldn't keep my mouth shut. Thanks and Peace to all ...Julja From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 12:58:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id MAA28684 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:58:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-r09.mail.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.9]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id MAA28680 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:58:37 -0800 (PST) From: Liambutts@aol.com Received: from Liambutts@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id q.47.2df685a (7556); Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:58:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <47.2df685a.2731de0d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:58:53 EST Subject: Re: JEALOUS single To: gabrossi@netverk.com.ar, jitr@postmodern.com, jaymillet@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 109 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ In a message dated 11/1/00 3:00:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, gabrossi@netverk.com.ar writes: > Can we girls calm down? Gabi, I hope you do not hope to calm anyone down by what you wrote. This is what makes a lot of women really angry is being told to stuff it. There is plenty of history about women and how we have been told to just calm down. For one example, women are now allowed to vote. I'm certainly grateful that the women who have been fighting for our rights have not calmed down. There is a process that a woman goes thru to become the dyke that she is. Men do not go thru this process simply because they are men and there is not that added discrimination. It is a truly sad state that women are in. As hetrosexuals, women are treated very poorly, and a lot of women allow themselves to be treated as second class citizens. There are mounds and mounds of eveidence that says so. As lesbains we see and feel the discrimination more clearly. That is what the anger is about. Do you realize that a whole entire gender is dicriminated against. It does not matter if your gay, white, fat, skinny, tall, short, japanese, hispanic, chinese, black..........we are not men and we are treated with less respect than men because this is a male dominated society. Imagine a whole entire gender being treated with abuse, inconsideration, getting paid less, having to wait in line longer because the guy who just came inot the store knows that Im jsut a woman and he can butt in front of me. But, what he doesnt know is Im a dyke and I could give a shit weather or not he thinks Im pretty or if he thinks my ass is too big. I dont give a fuck what he thinks......and I like it like that. See what happens when you tell a girl to calm down. Molly From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 13:17:38 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id NAA28746 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:17:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from antares.netverk.com.ar (root@Antares.Netverk.Com.Ar [200.16.204.10]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id NAA28742 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:17:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from default (prime029046.netverk.com.ar [200.51.29.46]) by antares.netverk.com.ar (8.10.0/8.9.3) with SMTP id eA1L8dn32018; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:08:40 -0300 Message-ID: <00b301c0444b$207a5d20$0b1d33c8@default> Reply-To: "Gabriela Rossi" From: "Gabriela Rossi" To: , "JITR" Subject: RV: JEALOUS single Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:31:37 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ I wasn't telling girls to calm down about those things, but about OTHER things, if you read my message again. PLEASE, I hope we NEVER calm down about fighing for things like those you've stated, until we succeed. Peace! Gabi. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; ; > > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 5:58 PM > Subject: Re: JEALOUS single > > > > In a message dated 11/1/00 3:00:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > gabrossi@netverk.com.ar writes: > > > > > Can we girls calm down? > > Gabi, > > I hope you do not hope to calm anyone down by what you wrote. This is what > > makes a lot of women really angry is being told to stuff it. There is > plenty > > of history about women and how we have been told to just calm down. For > one > > example, women are now allowed to vote. I'm certainly grateful that the > women > > who have been fighting for our rights have not calmed down. There is a > > process that a woman goes thru to become the dyke that she is. Men do not > go > > thru this process simply because they are men and there is not that added > > discrimination. It is a truly sad state that women are in. As > hetrosexuals, > > women are treated very poorly, and a lot of women allow themselves to be > > treated as second class citizens. There are mounds and mounds of > eveidence > > that says so. As lesbains we see and feel the discrimination more clearly. > > That is what the anger is about. Do you realize that a whole entire gender > is > > dicriminated against. It does not matter if your gay, white, fat, skinny, > > tall, short, japanese, hispanic, chinese, black..........we are not men > and > > we are treated with less respect than men because this is a male dominated > > society. Imagine a whole entire gender being treated with abuse, > > inconsideration, getting paid less, having to wait in line longer because > the > > guy who just came inot the store knows that Im jsut a woman and he can > butt > > in front of me. But, what he doesnt know is Im a dyke and I could give a > shit > > weather or not he thinks Im pretty or if he thinks my ass is too big. I > dont > > give a fuck what he thinks......and I like it like that. See what happens > > when you tell a girl to calm down. > > Molly > > > From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 13:35:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id NAA28838 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:35:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from amsmta06-svc.chello.nl (mail-out.chello.nl [213.46.240.7]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id NAA28834 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:35:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from Ns ([212.187.28.46]) by amsmta06-svc.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.02.00.10 201-232-116-110 license 1753790c58305fd3f286395c4a42fdc7) with SMTP id <20001101213722.NES20435.amsmta06-svc@Ns> for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 22:37:22 +0100 Message-ID: <000901c0444b$c985d0c0$2e1cbbd4@chello.nl> From: "Mars-L" To: "Jitr-digest" Subject: NEW SONG !!! Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 22:36:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello, Several JITR's spent on Jealous.....isn't it time to move on to a NEW song ??? http://home.wanadoo.nl/~ubink2/whenyoulove.htm Thanx to The One Who Knows. Greetz Mars-L From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 13:53:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id NAA28898 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:53:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com [207.46.181.18]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id NAA28894 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:53:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from computer - 63.44.99.179 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:53:54 -0800 Message-ID: <000901c03806$e7099ce0$b3632c3f@computer> From: "home07036" To: "Gabriela Rossi" Cc: References: <005e01c0443f$9f066a00$0b1d33c8@default> Subject: Re: JEALOUS single Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:53:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C037CC.397CA520" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C037CC.397CA520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable what do you mean. I agree with both parties. I think you didn't read = the whole situation. it's really no big deal ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gabriela Rossi=20 To: JITR ; jay millet=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 1:08 PM Subject: RE: JEALOUS single am I the only one who senses this terrible susceptibility of women on = this list? Homosexual men are not as agressive as women about these issues, = but women tend to feel offended any time the word 'lesbian' appears on a = message and react with an anger I do not always understand. I haven't really = seen that homofobic clima on the list (call me stupid), except once. Can we girls calm down? I say this with the best of intentions, please understand, no offense intended. I'm just thinking this list could be a better place if we = don't feel harmed by others who mean no harm to us, and react violently = without reason. Love, Gabi. ----- Original Message ----- From: jay millet To: Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 4:31 PM Subject: RE: JEALOUS single > > Well Said, > Thank you. > > J > > >From: "Gabriela Rossi" > >Reply-To: "Gabriela Rossi" > >To: , > >Subject: RE: JEALOUS single > >Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:28:27 -0300 > > > >I'm sorry, but I must say something about this, because I think = many of you > >are angry at Julja without reason. I read the message of Julja and = I didn't > >see any bad intentions behind it (Julja, tell me if I'm wrong), and = I'm > >really surprised for this susceptibility, and so much trouble = about a > >simple message which didn't say IMHO anything offensive against = lesbians. > >If > >you read it again carefully, what Julja criticizes is the FAKE = character of > >the lesbian photograph, I don't see how his affect lesbians. > >I pray that this will not become another 3 week discussion about > >homosexuality, homofoby, etc. Just live and let live. > > > >Gabi. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 2:11 PM > >Subject: JEALOUS single > > > > > > > Like Mandy, I too, was offended by the posting. > > > > > > Equating lesbians with a masculine aesthetic (therefore "ugly" = or > > > anti-feminine) is ridiculous! Get a clue! Maybe you should = study the > > > dynamics of butch/femme within the culture of lesbianism to = enlighten > > > yourself and not appear so naive and limited in thought. Some = think of > >Gender > > > as performance art. The dichotomy between = masculinity/femininity > >derived > > > from a very narrow, heterosexist paradigm. > > > > > > Melissa > > > > > > > = _________________________________________________________________________= > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at = http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C037CC.397CA520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
what do you mean. I agree with = both=20 parties.  I think you didn't read the whole situation. it's really = no big=20 deal
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gabriela Rossi
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, = 2000 1:08=20 PM
Subject: RE: JEALOUS = single

am I the only one who senses this terrible = susceptibility of=20 women on this
list? Homosexual men are not as agressive as women = about=20 these issues, but
women tend to feel offended any time the word = 'lesbian'=20 appears on a message
and react with an anger I do not always = understand. I=20 haven't really seen
that homofobic clima on the list (call me = stupid),=20 except once.
Can we girls calm down?
I say this with the best of = intentions, please understand, no offense
intended. I'm just = thinking this=20 list could be a better place if we don't
feel harmed by others who = mean no=20 harm to us, and react violently without
reason.
Love, = Gabi.

-----=20 Original Message -----
From: jay millet <jaymillet@hotmail.com>
To= :=20 <gabrossi@netverk.com.ar>Sent:=20 Wednesday, November 01, 2000 4:31 PM
Subject: RE: JEALOUS=20 single


>
> Well Said,
> Thank = you.
>
>=20 J
>
> >From: "Gabriela Rossi" <gabrossi@netverk.com.ar>>=20 >Reply-To: "Gabriela Rossi" <gabrossi@netverk.com.ar>>=20 >To: <IndepFilm@aol.com>,=20 <jitr@postmodern.com>
>=20 >Subject: RE: JEALOUS single
> >Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 = 15:28:27=20 -0300
> >
> >I'm sorry, but I must say something = about this,=20 because I think many of
you
> >are angry at Julja without = reason.=20 I read the message of Julja and I
didn't
> >see any bad = intentions=20 behind it (Julja, tell me if I'm wrong), and I'm
> >really=20 surprised  for this susceptibility, and so much trouble about = a
>=20 >simple message which didn't say IMHO anything offensive against=20 lesbians.
> >If
> >you read it again carefully, what = Julja=20 criticizes is the FAKE character
of
> >the lesbian = photograph, I=20 don't see how his affect lesbians.
> >I pray that this will = not=20 become another 3 week discussion about
> >homosexuality, = homofoby,=20 etc. Just live and let live.
> >
> >Gabi.
>=20 >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <IndepFilm@aol.com>
> = >To:=20 <jitr@postmodern.com>
>=20 >Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 2:11 PM
> >Subject: = JEALOUS=20 single
> >
> >
> > > Like Mandy, I too, = was=20 offended by the posting.
> > >
> > > Equating = lesbians=20 with a masculine aesthetic (therefore "ugly" or
> > >=20 anti-feminine) is ridiculous!  Get a clue!  Maybe you should = study=20 the
> > > dynamics of butch/femme within the culture of = lesbianism=20 to enlighten
> > > yourself and not appear so naive and = limited in=20 thought. Some think of
> >Gender
> > > as = performance=20 art.   The dichotomy between masculinity/femininity
>=20 >derived
> > > from a very narrow, heterosexist=20 paradigm.
> > >
> > > Melissa
> >=20 >
> >
>
>=20 = _________________________________________________________________________=
>=20 Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
>
&g= t;=20 Share information about yourself, create your own public profile = at
> http://profiles.msn.com.
>
= >
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C037CC.397CA520-- From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 13:55:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id NAA28928 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:55:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (smtp.email.msn.com [207.46.181.60]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id NAA28924 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:55:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from computer - 63.44.99.179 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:56:46 -0800 Message-ID: <002401c03807$4d502b40$b3632c3f@computer> From: "home07036" To: Subject: Fw: JEALOUS single Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:55:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01C037CC.A00DF820" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C037CC.A00DF820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable why such separation??? just because sinead openly talks about = sexuality....she also speaks of maturity and understanding ----- Original Message -----=20 From: home07036=20 To: Gabriela Rossi=20 Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 11:54 PM Subject: Re: JEALOUS single girls see now you are doing the same as mandy. I am a man should I be = offended. I am not we are all just people. hetero home , man or women, = black white. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gabriela Rossi=20 To: Liambutts@aol.com ; JITR=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 2:31 PM Subject: RV: JEALOUS single I wasn't telling girls to calm down about those things, but about = OTHER things, if you read my message again. PLEASE, I hope we NEVER calm down about fighing for things like those = you've stated, until we succeed. Peace! Gabi. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; ; > > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 5:58 PM > Subject: Re: JEALOUS single > > > > In a message dated 11/1/00 3:00:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > gabrossi@netverk.com.ar writes: > > > > > Can we girls calm down? > > Gabi, > > I hope you do not hope to calm anyone down by what you wrote. This = is what > > makes a lot of women really angry is being told to stuff it. There = is > plenty > > of history about women and how we have been told to just calm = down. For > one > > example, women are now allowed to vote. I'm certainly grateful = that the > women > > who have been fighting for our rights have not calmed down. There = is a > > process that a woman goes thru to become the dyke that she is. Men = do not > go > > thru this process simply because they are men and there is not = that added > > discrimination. It is a truly sad state that women are in. As > hetrosexuals, > > women are treated very poorly, and a lot of women allow = themselves to be > > treated as second class citizens. There are mounds and mounds of > eveidence > > that says so. As lesbains we see and feel the discrimination more clearly. > > That is what the anger is about. Do you realize that a whole = entire gender > is > > dicriminated against. It does not matter if your gay, white, fat, skinny, > > tall, short, japanese, hispanic, chinese, black..........we are = not men > and > > we are treated with less respect than men because this is a male dominated > > society. Imagine a whole entire gender being treated with abuse, > > inconsideration, getting paid less, having to wait in line longer because > the > > guy who just came inot the store knows that Im jsut a woman and he = can > butt > > in front of me. But, what he doesnt know is Im a dyke and I could = give a > shit > > weather or not he thinks Im pretty or if he thinks my ass is too = big. I > dont > > give a fuck what he thinks......and I like it like that. See what happens > > when you tell a girl to calm down. > > Molly > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C037CC.A00DF820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
why such separation??? just = because sinead=20 openly talks about sexuality....she also speaks of maturity and=20 understanding
----- Original Message -----=20
From: home07036
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: JEALOUS single

girls   see now you = are doing the=20 same as mandy. I am a man should I be offended. I am not we are all just = people.=20 hetero home , man or women, black white.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gabriela Rossi
To: Liambutts@aol.com ; JITR
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, = 2000 2:31=20 PM
Subject: RV: JEALOUS = single


 I wasn't telling girls to calm down about = those=20 things, but about OTHER
things, if you read my message = again.
PLEASE, I=20 hope we NEVER calm down about fighing for things like those = you've
stated,=20 until we succeed.
Peace!
Gabi.

> ----- Original = Message=20 -----
> From: <Liambutts@aol.com>
> = To: <gabrossi@netverk.com.ar>; = <jitr@postmodern.com>;
> = <jaymillet@hotmail.com>
&g= t;=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 5:58 PM
> Subject: Re: = JEALOUS=20 single
>
>
> > In a message dated 11/1/00 3:00:59 = PM=20 Eastern Standard Time,
> > gabrossi@netverk.com.ar=20 writes:
> >
> > > Can we girls calm down?
> = >=20 Gabi,
> > I hope you do not hope to calm anyone down by what = you=20 wrote. This is
what
> > makes a lot of women really angry = is being=20 told to stuff it. There is
> plenty
> > of history = about women=20 and how we have been told to just calm down. For
> one
> = >=20 example, women are now allowed to vote. I'm certainly grateful that=20 the
> women
> > who have been fighting for our rights = have not=20 calmed down. There is a
> > process that a woman goes thru to = become=20 the dyke that she is. Men do
not
> go
> > thru this = process=20 simply because they are men and there is not that
added
> = >=20 discrimination. It is a truly sad state that women are in. As
>=20 hetrosexuals,
> > women are treated very poorly, and  a = lot of=20 women allow themselves to
be
> > treated as second class=20 citizens.  There are mounds and mounds of
> = eveidence
> >=20 that says so. As lesbains we see and feel the discrimination=20 more
clearly.
> > That is what the anger is about. Do you = realize=20 that a whole entire
gender
> is
> > dicriminated = against. It=20 does not matter if your gay, white, fat,
skinny,
> > tall, = short,=20 japanese, hispanic, chinese, black..........we are not men
> = and
>=20 > we are treated with less respect than men because this is a=20 male
dominated
> > society. Imagine a whole entire gender = being=20 treated with abuse,
> > inconsideration, getting paid less, = having to=20 wait in line longer
because
> the
> > guy who just = came inot=20 the store knows that Im jsut a woman and he can
> butt
> = > in=20 front of me. But, what he doesnt know is Im a dyke and I could give = a
>=20 shit
> > weather or not he thinks Im pretty or if he thinks = my ass is=20 too big. I
> dont
> > give a fuck what he = thinks......and I=20 like it like that. See what
happens
> > when you tell a = girl to=20 calm down.
> > Molly
>=20 >
>
------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C037CC.A00DF820-- From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 14:03:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id OAA28967 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:03:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com [207.46.181.30]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id OAA28963 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:03:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from computer - 63.44.62.195 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:04:04 -0800 Message-ID: <003f01c03808$52ba2a80$b3632c3f@computer> From: "home07036" To: "Julia Maria Seemann" Cc: References: <3A0080D8.19225.6DEB76@localhost> Subject: Re: Jealous single Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:03:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01C037CD.A55F8D60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C037CD.A55F8D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable julia, this is an open forum and I respect your opinion.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Julia Maria Seemann=20 To: jitr@postmodern.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 1:45 PM Subject: Jealous single Hey everybody.... hm....I can't believe what's going on now here... I was just adressing myself to Sinead and her "strange" posture on=20 the Jelaous cover. I wasn't intending to attack anyone... would be funny though as I myself am one of the most peaceloving,=20 peacepreaching and tolerant young women around.... ;-) Mandy...I apologize if I hurt your strong feelings towards sexuality=20 or whatever...I really didn't mean to. I am a great admirer of Sinead's spirit and powerful mind. I feel great respect for all the work she has done. All the more I was disappointed by the artificial poppy style she=20 begins to take over now. However, that's her decision and I respect=20 that. I know that she knows that the "inner peace and balance" is=20 all that matters. Like Sinead I don't believe in different sexualities. I love men but I have been in bed with a women aswell and I have to=20 say...it was fantastic! So...what the hell are you talking about????=20 For me...the Jelaous cover sucks...that's all. I would rather prefer=20 her cute smile than her muscles and a posture=20 that...sorry...doesn't seem natural and "hers" at all. The contrast between the CD cover and this one was just so=20 striking that I couldn't keep my mouth shut.=20 Thanks and Peace to all ...Julja ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C037CD.A55F8D60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
julia,
    this is an = open forum and=20 I respect your opinion.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Julia=20 Maria Seemann
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, = 2000 1:45=20 PM
Subject: Jealous single

Hey everybody....
hm....I can't believe what's going = on now=20 here...
I was just adressing myself to Sinead and her "strange" = posture on=20
the Jelaous cover. I wasn't intending to attack anyone...
would = be=20 funny though as I myself am one of the most peaceloving, =
peacepreaching=20 and tolerant young women around....  ;-)
Mandy...I apologize = if I hurt=20 your strong feelings towards sexuality
or whatever...I really = didn't mean=20 to.
I am a great admirer of Sinead's spirit and powerful mind.
I = feel=20 great respect for all the work she has done.
All the more I was=20 disappointed by the artificial poppy style she
begins to take over = now.=20 However, that's her decision and I respect
that. I know that she = knows=20 that the "inner peace and balance" is
all that matters.
Like = Sinead I=20 don't believe in different sexualities.
I love men but I have been = in bed=20 with a women aswell and I have to
say...it was = fantastic!
So...what the=20 hell are you talking about????
For me...the Jelaous cover = sucks...that's=20 all. I would rather prefer
her cute smile than her muscles and a = posture=20
that...sorry...doesn't seem natural and "hers" at all.
The = contrast=20 between the CD cover and this one was just so
striking that I = couldn't=20 keep my mouth shut.
Thanks and Peace to all=20 ...Julja
------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C037CD.A55F8D60-- From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 14:04:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id OAA28997 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:04:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com [207.46.181.26]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id OAA28993 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:04:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from computer - 63.44.62.195 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:05:35 -0800 Message-ID: <004c01c03808$88d79ee0$b3632c3f@computer> From: "home07036" To: "Julia Maria Seemann" Cc: References: <3A0080D8.19225.6DEB76@localhost> Subject: Re: Jealous single Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:04:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01C037CD.DB8DCAA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C037CD.DB8DCAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable julia, I agree being bi-sexual also. I prefer the sweet sinead. she looks = like a man in that picture.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Julia Maria Seemann=20 To: jitr@postmodern.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 1:45 PM Subject: Jealous single Hey everybody.... hm....I can't believe what's going on now here... I was just adressing myself to Sinead and her "strange" posture on=20 the Jelaous cover. I wasn't intending to attack anyone... would be funny though as I myself am one of the most peaceloving,=20 peacepreaching and tolerant young women around.... ;-) Mandy...I apologize if I hurt your strong feelings towards sexuality=20 or whatever...I really didn't mean to. I am a great admirer of Sinead's spirit and powerful mind. I feel great respect for all the work she has done. All the more I was disappointed by the artificial poppy style she=20 begins to take over now. However, that's her decision and I respect=20 that. I know that she knows that the "inner peace and balance" is=20 all that matters. Like Sinead I don't believe in different sexualities. I love men but I have been in bed with a women aswell and I have to=20 say...it was fantastic! So...what the hell are you talking about????=20 For me...the Jelaous cover sucks...that's all. I would rather prefer=20 her cute smile than her muscles and a posture=20 that...sorry...doesn't seem natural and "hers" at all. The contrast between the CD cover and this one was just so=20 striking that I couldn't keep my mouth shut.=20 Thanks and Peace to all ...Julja ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C037CD.DB8DCAA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
julia,
     I agree = being=20 bi-sexual also. I prefer the sweet sinead. she looks like a man in that = picture.=20
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Julia=20 Maria Seemann
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, = 2000 1:45=20 PM
Subject: Jealous single

Hey everybody....
hm....I can't believe what's going = on now=20 here...
I was just adressing myself to Sinead and her "strange" = posture on=20
the Jelaous cover. I wasn't intending to attack anyone...
would = be=20 funny though as I myself am one of the most peaceloving, =
peacepreaching=20 and tolerant young women around....  ;-)
Mandy...I apologize = if I hurt=20 your strong feelings towards sexuality
or whatever...I really = didn't mean=20 to.
I am a great admirer of Sinead's spirit and powerful mind.
I = feel=20 great respect for all the work she has done.
All the more I was=20 disappointed by the artificial poppy style she
begins to take over = now.=20 However, that's her decision and I respect
that. I know that she = knows=20 that the "inner peace and balance" is
all that matters.
Like = Sinead I=20 don't believe in different sexualities.
I love men but I have been = in bed=20 with a women aswell and I have to
say...it was = fantastic!
So...what the=20 hell are you talking about????
For me...the Jelaous cover = sucks...that's=20 all. I would rather prefer
her cute smile than her muscles and a = posture=20
that...sorry...doesn't seem natural and "hers" at all.
The = contrast=20 between the CD cover and this one was just so
striking that I = couldn't=20 keep my mouth shut.
Thanks and Peace to all=20 ...Julja
------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C037CD.DB8DCAA0-- From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 14:05:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id OAA29029 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:05:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (smtp.email.msn.com [207.46.181.60]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id OAA29023 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:05:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from computer - 63.44.62.195 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:06:11 -0800 Message-ID: <005601c03808$9e6b4d60$b3632c3f@computer> From: "home07036" To: Cc: References: Subject: Re: Jealous single Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:05:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0053_01C037CD.F1185160" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C037CD.F1185160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable me too. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: KasdanR@aol.com=20 To: ninthwave10@hotmail.com ; home07036@email.msn.com=20 Cc: bakenjake@redshift.com ; jwf2000@teleport.com ; = jitr@postmodern.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 8:11 AM Subject: Re: Jealous single Mandy wrote: > The word lesbian was used here in a negative sense - I'm sick and = tired of=20 > the open homophobia on this list. > =20 > That was the point I wanted to make. > =20 I guess I'm a real "Pollyanna", but I read "artificial lesbian" and = figured=20 that the comment was just putting down the adopting of a fake lesbian = image,=20 not genuine lesbians... =20 love,amyg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Summer draws away; Now, the Reaper's come to cut the hay; My grieving heart is yearning... for change..." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C037CD.F1185160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
me too.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 KasdanR@aol.com=20
To: ninthwave10@hotmail.com ; = home07036@email.msn.com =
Cc: bakenjake@redshift.com ; jwf2000@teleport.com ; jitr@postmodern.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, = 2000 8:11=20 AM
Subject: Re: Jealous = single

Mandy wrote:
> The word lesbian was used here in = a=20 negative sense - I'm sick and tired of
>  the open = homophobia on=20 this list.
> 
>  That was the point I wanted to = make.
> 
I guess I'm a real "Pollyanna", but I read = "artificial=20 lesbian" and figured
that the comment was just putting down the = adopting=20 of a fake lesbian image,
not genuine lesbians... =20 =
love,amyg

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  = ;  =20 "Summer draws away;
     Now, the Reaper's come = to cut=20 the hay;
     My grieving heart is yearning... = for=20 = change..."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C037CD.F1185160-- From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 14:06:59 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id OAA29061 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:06:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from amsmta05-svc.chello.nl (mail-out.chello.nl [213.46.240.7]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id OAA29057 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:06:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from Ns ([212.187.28.46]) by amsmta05-svc.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.02.00.10 201-232-116-110 license 1753790c58305fd3f286395c4a42fdc7) with SMTP id <20001101220919.CYPF10663.amsmta05-svc@Ns> for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:09:19 +0100 Message-ID: <001501c04450$2f0fa200$2e1cbbd4@chello.nl> From: "Mars-L" To: "Jitr-digest" Subject: Jealous Cover Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:07:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello (Mandy), Sorry Mandy but to be honest; my first thoughts when I saw the cover of the Jealous CD-single were (also); "Wow, this picture really underlines Sinead's coming out". And (knowing you) I'm almost sure you must have noticed it too. IMHO this doesn't have anything to do with being homophobic at all. Good made photographs tell more then just the taken picture, they give an admosphere and tell a story which can't be seen. And in this case I don't think it's a coincidence. So the photo is taken very well and tells something Sinead wants us (the buyers) to know. Even someone who doesn't know Sinead or didn't read all the gossip about her, will know Sinead is a lesbian/bi-sexual after having seen the cover. Bad taken photo ?? I don't think so, I think it's exact what Sinead wanted it to be / tell. Still....to me the the cover looks terrible, like a cover of a bootleg of the late 80s, which had terrible art-covers. (Recent bootlegs of big artists, and/or bootleg labels, have better covers then the official releases) Greetz Mars-L (Busy too hard with finding a new job) From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 14:22:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id OAA29133 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:22:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f54.hotmail.com [216.32.181.54]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id OAA29129 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:22:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:23:26 -0800 Received: from 194.134.210.41 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 01 Nov 2000 22:23:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [194.134.210.41] From: "chantal le doux" To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Jealous single Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 22:23:26 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2000 22:23:26.0958 (UTC) FILETIME=[5AE8B0E0:01C04452] Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ The contrast between the CD cover and this one was just so striking that I couldn't keep my mouth shut. Hey, I thought it striking too in the way that I like the Jealous cover way better than the F&C cover which I think is a bit artificial and musky with this pastel-crayon/tinty!;-) Okay the first time I saw the Jealous sleeve I was kind of shocked as well...the quality being so poor/grainy.But I love it now...I love the fact that it looks so cheap...call me crazy;-) same as this horrible green combined with the white letters of the cd itself.I love it!haha Also I don't think the posture is unSinead/unnatural at all,but I must say the (2track) cardboard cover is way nicer composition wise. Yes this is only my humble opinion ;-) Chantal _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 18:09:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id SAA00283 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:09:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-r06.mail.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.6]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id SAA00279 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:09:49 -0800 (PST) From: Musiclover348@cs.com Received: from Musiclover348@cs.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id 6.e6.cf0b9af (4255); Wed, 1 Nov 2000 21:10:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 21:10:43 EST Subject: Re: NEW SONG !!! To: bobbink@chello.nl, jitr@postmodern.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown sub 109 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ In a message dated 11/1/00 3:44:25 PM Central Standard Time, bobbink@chello.nl writes: << Hello, Several JITR's spent on Jealous.....isn't it time to move on to a NEW song ??? http://home.wanadoo.nl/~ubink2/whenyoulove.htm Thanx to The One Who Knows. Greetz Mars-L >> This is a beautiful song, I love it! Thanks! Who wrote it? Loving Sinead, CoolPolly ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------- The Beauty of Sinead O'Connor http://members.tripod.com/sineadlover ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------- From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 18:38:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id SAA00369 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:38:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from asclepix.sinectis.com.ar (root@asclepix.sinectis.com.ar [216.244.240.249]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id SAA00365 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:38:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc (modem205-as22.capfed1.sinectis.com.ar [216.244.240.205]) by asclepix.sinectis.com.ar (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA27312 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:40:03 -0300 Message-ID: <001001c04476$9a98aaa0$cdf0f4d8@pc> From: "Nikko" To: "Sinead" Subject: Jealous single Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 22:29:03 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hey guys! Come on! Who cares if she is lesbian or not! What matters is the music! Just wanted to say this. Love Nikko PS: thanks for the welcome! PS2: despues te escribo Gabriela! From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 19:17:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id TAA00422 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:17:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id TAA00418 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:17:24 -0800 (PST) From: Gogobooty3@aol.com Received: from Gogobooty3@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id m.5e.2b62a42 (4227) for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 22:18:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5e.2b62a42.273236e9@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 22:18:01 EST Subject: liking/hating the cover reminds me To: jitr@postmodern.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 65 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ i have not seen the cover of "jealous" yet but this discussion of the image is making me think about the cover of "the lion and the cobra" which was different for US and european releases. whatever the reasoning, the US got the sweet quiet photo. maybe her label will start trying out "butch" & "femme" covers for those markets which they anticipate will demand a specific visual of sinead. i bet SF gets BUTCH. also, i have a request: will those who have the email control please make sure your postings to JITR do NOT include the entire text of the message to which you are responding?!? it was almost impossible to find/read new messages in the endless reams of repeated postings. those things sent in MIME format are a huge repetitious garbled waste of time/space. this is why the digest came out twice in a day...it's full of the same three postings 25 or more times. thanks, all. one love-- claudia From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 19:26:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id TAA00460 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:26:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-r02.mail.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id TAA00456 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:26:19 -0800 (PST) From: KasdanR@aol.com Received: from KasdanR@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id i.31.bfacd4d (4315); Wed, 1 Nov 2000 22:27:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <31.bfacd4d.27323910@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 22:27:12 EST Subject: Re: Jealous single To: dcebe@hotmail.com, a00bf5e2@student.ucd.ie, jitr@postmodern.com, ninthwave10@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 124 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ In a message dated 11/01/2000 2:11:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, dcebe@hotmail.com writes: > PS. Mandy - do you also agree that Polly's new album is > incredibly brilliant?!?! What a lucky couple of months it > has been! > I just bought it today, along with the newest from U2, Van Morrison and Poe, and the new live Beatles release from 1962... guess I have a lot of listening to do! LOL! love,amyg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Summer draws away; Now, the Reaper's come to cut the hay; My grieving heart is yearning... for change..." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 19:55:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id TAA00573 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:55:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-r19.mail.aol.com (imo-r19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.73]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id TAA00569 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:55:19 -0800 (PST) From: KasdanR@aol.com Received: from KasdanR@aol.com by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id q.47.2e6d4a5 (4315); Wed, 1 Nov 2000 22:55:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <47.2e6d4a5.27323fbe@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 22:55:42 EST Subject: Re: JEALOUS single To: Liambutts@aol.com, gabrossi@netverk.com.ar, jitr@postmodern.com, jaymillet@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 124 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ In a message dated 11/01/2000 4:01:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, Liambutts@aol.com writes: > I could give a shit > weather or not he thinks Im pretty or if he thinks my ass is too big.... And I might add, Molly has a really excellent big ass!!! LOL!!! Thank you for reminding us to NOT shut up, Molly. You're right, complacency can lead to trouble. love,amyg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Summer draws away; Now, the Reaper's come to cut the hay; My grieving heart is yearning... for change..." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 19:57:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id TAA00628 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:57:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-r06.mail.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.6]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id TAA00600 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:57:02 -0800 (PST) From: KasdanR@aol.com Received: from KasdanR@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id 6.b6.ca8c23b (4315); Wed, 1 Nov 2000 22:57:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 22:57:58 EST Subject: Re: NEW SONG !!! To: bobbink@chello.nl, jitr@postmodern.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 124 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ In a message dated 11/01/2000 4:44:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, bobbink@chello.nl writes: > Several JITR's spent on Jealous.....isn't it time to move on to a NEW song > ??? > > http://home.wanadoo.nl/~ubink2/whenyoulove.htm > Yaaaaahhh! Thanks, Marcel, and "you-know-who", whoever you are... love,amyg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Summer draws away; Now, the Reaper's come to cut the hay; My grieving heart is yearning... for change..." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 20:02:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id UAA00672 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 20:02:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-r13.mail.aol.com (imo-r13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id UAA00668 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 20:02:03 -0800 (PST) From: KasdanR@aol.com Received: from KasdanR@aol.com by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id a.58.2b40642 (4315); Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:02:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <58.2b40642.27324160@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:02:40 EST Subject: Re: Jealous single To: home07036@email.msn.com, a00bf5e2@student.ucd.ie CC: jitr@postmodern.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 124 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ In a message dated 11/01/2000 5:07:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, home07036@email.msn.com writes: > julia, > I agree being bi-sexual also. I prefer the sweet sinead. she looks like > a man in that picture. > We discussed this picture a while ago, but I don't have the single yet, so I just looked at the "Jealous" cover picture on Amazon.com. I guess I think Sinead is beautiful in *every* picture... I even like the armpit hair and the head-scratching! And muscles are fine, to me. love,amyg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Summer draws away; Now, the Reaper's come to cut the hay; My grieving heart is yearning... for change..." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From jitr-owner Wed Nov 1 23:00:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id XAA01066 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:00:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from amsmta05-svc.chello.nl (mail-out.chello.nl [213.46.240.7]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id XAA01062 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:00:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.chello.nl ([212.187.14.27]) by amsmta05-svc.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.02.00.10 201-232-116-110 license 1753790c58305fd3f286395c4a42fdc7) with ESMTP id <20001102070245.EFPR10663.amsmta05-svc@ns.chello.nl> for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 08:02:45 +0100 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001102080001.00c469b0@pop2.arnhem.chello.nl> X-Sender: e.verheijen02@pop2.arnhem.chello.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 08:01:14 +0100 To: jitr@postmodern.com From: "E.A.V." Subject: thanks mars_l Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Great new track marcel has put up for us. (but were is the stereo version??) Be sure to buy that soundtrack. As soon as it's released I will put the track on the 6 cd compilation I made. Eduard From jitr-owner Thu Nov 2 00:56:54 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id AAA01240 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 00:56:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (f266.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.141]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id AAA01236 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 00:56:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 00:57:54 -0800 Received: from 195.155.144.54 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 02 Nov 2000 08:57:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [195.155.144.54] From: "Deniz Cebe" To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Jealous Remix // Art Design (?) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 10:57:53 EET Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2000 08:57:54.0070 (UTC) FILETIME=[FCAD0360:01C044AA] Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hi - Frustrating mail, in the first instance, I warn ya! ;-) The supposed Jealous remix by Sheldon Steiger will not see daylight, or so the the man says. The response I got from Sheldon concerning the remix is: >> Hi Deniz, The song that I mixed was with Michael Beinhorn for a film soundtrack, and unfortunately, this version will never be released. :-( Thanks for askin' best, Sheldon Steiger >> The second thing is, I have seen the Jealous CD itself on eBay and I nearly puked. How come they can come up with such crappy designs when people are doing fantastic, kick- ass cover arts and stuff?!?!?! The picture again looked like a big nightmare - the WORST picture (of Sinéad or anybody else) I have seen in a long while. Makes me cringe. Red with anger, Deniz ;-)) ____________________________________________________________ UNIVERSAL MOTHER >> http://dcebe.tripod.com/main.htm THE SINÉAD O'CONNOR SITE >> http://sinead-oconnor.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jitr-owner Thu Nov 2 01:14:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id BAA01326 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 01:14:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f91.hotmail.com [216.32.181.91]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id BAA01322 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 01:14:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 01:15:34 -0800 Received: from 193.133.137.241 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 02 Nov 2000 09:15:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [193.133.137.241] From: "ninth wave" To: a00bf5e2@student.ucd.ie Cc: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Jealous single Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 09:15:34 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2000 09:15:34.0764 (UTC) FILETIME=[74E612C0:01C044AD] Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hey Julja (and other watchers!) >would be funny though as I myself am one of the most peaceloving, >peacepreaching and tolerant young women around.... ;-) >Mandy...I apologize if I hurt your strong feelings towards sexuality >or whatever...I really didn't mean to. I know you didn't. I didn't take what you said as a personal attack on me. I think the cover photo looks cheap and unfinished and was surprised when I saw it in the flesh....however I think your use of the word lesbian was misplaced and open to question that's why I questioned it. Sorry if I've opened up this infamous can of worms yet again !! Mandy _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jitr-owner Thu Nov 2 01:41:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) id BAA01449 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 01:41:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (f144.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.144]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201as) with ESMTP id BAA01445 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 01:41:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 01:42:52 -0800 Received: from 195.155.144.54 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 02 Nov 2000 09:42:52 GMT X-Originating-IP: [195.155.144.54] From: "Deniz Cebe" To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: When You Love // Official Site Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 11:42:52 EET Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2000 09:42:52.0805 (UTC) FILETIME=[453F4B50:01C044B1] Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hi - Me again! ;-) WOW, I've just listened to When You Love over and over again and I must say that it's AWESOME! I was looking forward to this one for a long time now. Well worth the wait! It's a very simple love song but it just grabs you from the first line to the last, and the production is also superb, though a bit Corrs-like at some points. The second applaud goes to the official site. Quite strange that there hasn't been much discussion about it because it's really fantastic, really great design and impact! For some reason, it still can't b