From jitr-owner Fri Oct 1 06:33:02 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id GAA09307 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 06:33:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id GAA09303 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 06:32:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from default ([12.79.100.11]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991001133227.TAJQ7282@default> for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:32:27 +0000 Message-ID: <37F4B7CB.36A0@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 09:31:55 -0400 From: Candace Roberts X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Three Babies References: <199910010800.BAA08490@server.postmodern.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ I am accepting any reasonable offer for a copy of the above cd single 20+ dollars. Thanks Gordon From jitr-owner Fri Oct 1 07:20:26 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id HAA09472 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 07:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vanakam.cc.columbia.edu (vanakam.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.23]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id HAA09468 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 07:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bengriffin ([128.59.95.76]) by vanakam.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA15862 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <012c01bf0c17$dbaea460$4c5f3b80@tc.columbia.edu> From: "Ben Adams" To: Subject: Fire On Nevillon Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:18:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0129_01BF0BF6.4940B120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0129_01BF0BF6.4940B120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just woke up from a really weird dream: All these male singers were at this huge festival and they started to = sing Fire On Babylon group-style, with each person taking a line = (similar to We Are the World) and then all joining in together for the = chorus. The funny thing is that they weren't particularly singers I = liked. The second verse was sung by Aaron Neville ("she took my sister = and brothers"), and of course he sang "bro-o-o-o-o-thers" in his typical = ultra-melodramatic, high-pitched style (it was hilarious). So, soon = after Aaron Neville finished, I ran up onto stage and totally took over = the song. There was an empty gap in the middle of the stage where I = stood, and there were about 3 people on each side of me. Everyone kept = on singing, but I was just sure they were going to grab me and throw me = off. However, everyone kept on singing as if I were supposed to be = there! It was cool! ------=_NextPart_000_0129_01BF0BF6.4940B120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0129_01BF0BF6.4940B120-- From jitr-owner Fri Oct 1 09:48:38 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id JAA09867 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id JAA09863 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:48:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mask.uits.indiana.edu (mask.uits.indiana.edu [129.79.6.184]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id JAA03090 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:30:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from massachusetts.exchange.indiana.edu (massachusetts.exchange.indiana.edu [129.79.6.159]) by mask.uits.indiana.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.1IUPO) with ESMTP id LAA20941; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:46:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by massachusetts.exchange.indiana.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <4BC9DAH1>; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:46:44 -0500 Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB640282D63E@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Amy'" , jitr@server.postmodern.com Subject: RE: Sinead's new album. Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:46:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello All, I was just wondering if any of you would like to speculate on what Sinead's new album will be like? Soft? folky? Rock? . What direction will she go in.? Just a thought. Denis Denis Taaffe denis_aliengtr@geocities.com http://www.dtguitar.com From jitr-owner Fri Oct 1 10:22:07 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id KAA09955 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web2001.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.201]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id KAA09951 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:22:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19991001172158.26704.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.91.18.93] by web2001.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 01 Oct 1999 10:21:58 PDT Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:21:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Lion Cobra Reply-To: lion_cobra@yahoo.com Subject: LATC To: jitr@postmodern.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ This a message to all the new members that have recently joined (many of you people who have been on the list have heard this many times, but this will a monthly message. To all the new members who have joined recently--I am looking for the music book to The Lion and the Cobra. It was published by International Music Publications back in 1988. It was only made and sold in the UK. International copyright kept the book from being released in the U.S. If you HAVE a copy of this book or know anyone who has it please email me! Thanks (sorry to all the other members...I get sick and tired of writing it...it's hardwired into my head but...until me and Ken find this book...this is going to be a monthly message) bye for now Lion ===== God commanded his angels concerning you To protect you in all your ways They will carry you up in their arms To keep your foot from striking a stone You will tread upon the lion and the cobra You will trample the great lion and serpent __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From jitr-owner Fri Oct 1 12:52:45 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id MAA10704 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:52:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from idiom.com (root@idiom.com [216.240.32.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id MAA10700 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:52:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from endeavor.med.nyu.edu (mcs01-ext.med.nyu.edu [128.122.2.2]) by idiom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05289 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from coles-k10.med.nyu.edu (mccoles-k10.med.nyu.edu [172.16.152.72]) by endeavor.med.nyu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA23177 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:52:12 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: petruc01 Subject: sinead at hotpress awards To: jitr@postmodern.com In-Reply-To: petruc01@popmail.med.nyu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Copyright 1999 Century Newspapers Limited Belfast News Letter October 1, 1999, Friday SECTION: FEATURES; Pg. 23 LENGTH: 325 words HEADLINE: THE GUIDE: POP GOSSIP: ULRIKA GETS HER REWARD BYLINE: Paul Martin BODY: Ulrika Jonsson hasn't even hosted the Hot Press Rock Awards yet, but she's already on to a winner. I grabbed the chance to give her one of this year's classy gongs before the Dublin bash at the HQ venue this Thursday when we met for lunch. "Justice at last," she beamed as I cheekily presented her with the accolade. "Mike Edgar got one last year so it's about time I got one too. "What's it for though - best TV presenter I hope," she continued. "Or maybe best looking woman - I wish!" Ulrika and BBC Northern Ireland man Mike Edgar will re-form their dynamic duo partnership to host the showbiz bash in Dublin. It may not be in Belfast this year, but the Hot Press Rock Awards still have a distinct Ulster angle to them thanks to the show's host Mike Edgar. An array of celebrities will join Mike and Ulrika at the swanky venue for the biggest night in Irish music. The Corrs, Westlife, Boyzone, B*Witched, U2 and Sinead O'Connor are just some of the names strongly rumoured to be appearing. "It's going to be a major night for Irish music," Mike told me. "I am really excited about hosting it again this year. "Obviously it's great to be able to bring an Ulster angle. The last two years these awards have been staged in Belfast but the time was right to try something new. "It is very possible that they could return to Belfast again sooner rather than later, but we decided that Dublin deserved a chance to host them this time." Last year, I joined Downpatrick rockers Ash at their table. Chaos reigned supreme around me as Sinead O'Connor, Bono and Ronan Keating grabbed all the attention. "This year is going to be even madder," Mike said. "Dublin is the back garden of many of the big stars now so you can imagine some of the big names who are going to turn up to this." I'll be reporting from the bash for the News Letter on the big night to bring you all the exclusive back stage gossip. From jitr-owner Sat Oct 2 07:40:32 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id HAA15276 for jitr-outgoing; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 07:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from idiom.com (root@idiom.com [216.240.32.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id HAA15272 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 07:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from callisto.uwinnipeg.ca (callisto.uwinnipeg.ca [142.132.1.23]) by idiom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA02099 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 07:40:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (brana@localhost) by callisto.uwinnipeg.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12892 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 09:36:15 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 09:36:15 -0500 (CDT) From: bilal rana To: Jump In The River Subject: greetings, lion cobra, marcel, mooncalf, swearing on Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Greetings fellow Jumpers, Unfortunately, for quite some months now, I haven't found the time to read the JITR postings. I made the exception today, at the expense of my schedule (and yes, partly because I'm in a very mellow space at present (Universal Mother is playing in the background)) as I've been most anxiously anticipating news of Sinead's long awaited new LP. I only managed to get through a few of the postings from the beginning of the month, postings to which I feel compelled to respond to. I couldn't read further, as I was pressed for time, and so, maybe this belated response may be entirely inappropriate, as the issue may already be resolved. Less none, I feel I must respond to what little I did read, so as to dispel any false notions wrongly spread. And if it is indeed utterly inappropriate, I apologize in advance (though that makes no sense whatsoever, but then hey, this is jitr.) Here goes: lioncobra, you are an idiot! Of all the folks on this list, why choose to disrespect Marcel? Do you really think that you have more credibility on this list than Marcel? I am so tired of your pathetic attempts to be anti-social, you, you ... wannabe Holden Caulfield! I owe thanks to a certain few people on this list, for they are the ones who have aided me chiefly me in the acquiring of my rather extensive (though far from complete) personal Sinead collection, notably, Bruno, Eduard and Marcel. Primary amongst these contributors has been Marcel. I have had quite a few transactions with Marcel, enough that I can no longer remember just how many. On no occasion has he failed to carry out his part of the agreement. In fact, allow me to share the quite telling example of our last transaction. I had purchased from him the video titled, The Value of Ignorance. It turned out that the last two songs from the video were mysteriously missing. I wrote this to Marcel, and he, kindly, and at no extra cost to myself, sent me another complete copy. In the event that you cannot infer from this anecdote the underlying point which I intended, as you seem tragically dull-witted, let me state it clearly: Marcel is not out to rip people off. I know, I know, you all are thinking "why don't you have your filters set up to automatically delete any messages from lioncobra." Well, to be honest, its just that his emails truly are amazing, for he just never ceases to outdo himself and make himself look more stupid. It's really not all that easy a thing to do actually. On another note, Mooncalf, that story about your grandmother was just hilarious!! I can't say that I've been personally able to win over Sinead fans with just quite the same level of zeal and appreciation that I have, as you've oddly managed to do. However, I have oft been told I should be her promoter. And yeah, lastly, that stuff about swearing on Sinead, though I could totally see that happening, well, that's just sick. Later all, man, its been so long, Bilal p.s. y'know, now, I can't but feel like an idiot for actually responding to lioncobra. Don't you just wonder whether or not he's actually someone intelligent, who intentionally does these things just to see how much he can piss people off, and then laughs maniacally when we actually respond to, and justify ourselves to the runt-like personality he's managed to create here? All this in spite of the fact, that innocents in Chechnya, and the world over, would be more deserving of our responses and attentions ... damn, now I just feel like a moron ... From jitr-owner Sat Oct 2 11:10:08 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id LAA15888 for jitr-outgoing; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 11:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ntgyr.guyer.com.uy (ns.guyer.com.uy [207.3.119.26]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id LAA15884 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 11:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m (r243-41.adinet.com.uy [207.50.243.41]) by ntgyr.guyer.com.uy with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id 4DY33BAN; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 15:04:03 -0300 Message-ID: <000501bf0d01$65835f20$29f332cf@m> From: "gUsTAvo aNtuNeZ" To: Subject: non sinead --- NY Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 15:05:17 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ dear NY jumpers: MAYBE in a few weeks I'll be in New York. Please tell me about places and shows to see. Also shops and so on. I will be there for just a few days (tuesday to thursday !!!) but I would like to enjoy the most. please, lemme know. THANK YOU! G. From jitr-owner Sat Oct 2 17:59:07 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id RAA16912 for jitr-outgoing; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 17:59:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f145.hotmail.com [216.32.181.145]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id RAA16908 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 17:59:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28861 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 1999 00:58:33 -0000 Message-ID: <19991003005833.28860.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 212.98.0.216 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 02 Oct 1999 17:58:32 PDT X-Originating-IP: [212.98.0.216] From: "Deniz Cebe" To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Chiquitita Video / New Album Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 03:58:32 EEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hi there, I've just watched the documentary, Cool To Be Celtic in the ARTE - I must say that I was expecting and interview, new coverage, a special live performance so it was a bit of disappointment to see only a nearly one minute clip of Chiquitita video. And this is, without a single doubt, the best disappointment of my life!!! Hey, what a beautiful piece it is! Obviously the best kitchen I've ever seen! Such a wonderful video made me imagine a probable Chiquitita single. Wouldn't it be great if the track and the video were accompanied by a CD single, lots of promotion stuff and air-play as well? Maybe Sinéad (and her record company) didn't want't such a publicity before her long-awaited Atlantic debut, who knows? I really don't know what to think about the new album now. It was said to be out last summer in lots of articles but there isn't even a bit of info so far. Yesterday I checked out Wall Of Sound, which has a great source for release dates - they even have the dates for early 2000 - and depressed not to see any Sinéad release info. I wonder if I'll see the day holy that fucking album is gonna be released! Love and light, Deniz PS. Anybody heard the James track, I Defeat yet? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jitr-owner Sat Oct 2 18:10:02 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id SAA16974 for jitr-outgoing; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 18:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id SAA16970 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 18:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f91.hotmail.com [216.32.181.91]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with SMTP id RAA24599 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 17:51:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 37887 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 1999 01:08:09 -0000 Message-ID: <19991003010809.37886.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 212.98.0.216 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 02 Oct 1999 18:08:08 PDT X-Originating-IP: [212.98.0.216] From: "Deniz Cebe" To: dtaaffe@indiana.edu, bangle@slc.quik.com, jitr@server.postmodern.com Subject: RE: Sinead's new album. Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 04:08:08 EEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hi there, Here's my personal guess: Something of reggae, soft hip-hop beats, powerful vocals, both traditional and electronic feel and some guest appearences as well. Maybe even a duet! (Hmm, I should be an oracle!) I also bet that there will be a pic of her on the cover and she won't use the UM font. There will be 10 tracks. :)))) Love and light, Deniz >From: "Taaffe, Denis G" >To: "'Amy'" , jitr@server.postmodern.com >Subject: RE: Sinead's new album. >Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:46:43 -0500 > >Hello All, > > I was just wondering if any of you would like to speculate on what >Sinead's new album will be like? Soft? folky? Rock? . What direction will >she go in.? Just a thought. > >Denis > >Denis Taaffe >denis_aliengtr@geocities.com >http://www.dtguitar.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jitr-owner Sat Oct 2 18:24:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id SAA17017 for jitr-outgoing; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 18:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f21.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.21]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id SAA17013 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 18:24:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 79615 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 1999 01:24:16 -0000 Message-ID: <19991003012416.79614.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 134.134.248.18 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 02 Oct 1999 18:24:16 PDT X-Originating-IP: [134.134.248.18] From: "jay millet" To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Year of the Horse video up for grabbs. Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 18:24:16 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ You can find it here: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=172082363 I am not the seller, but in know some people are looking for it still, its only @ ~20$ now, I think the last one was ~55$. I have a Laser D of it so just trying too help J. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jitr-owner Sun Oct 3 01:28:02 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id BAA19849 for jitr-outgoing; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 01:28:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web2001.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.201]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id BAA19845 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 01:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19991003082806.15352.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.91.18.80] by web2001.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 03 Oct 1999 01:28:06 PDT Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 01:28:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Lion Cobra Reply-To: lion_cobra@yahoo.com Subject: Bilal To: jitr@postmodern.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ BILAL....CAN I JUST TELL YOU SOMETHING: YOU ARE THE BIGGEST BITCH THE WORLD.... TO ACTUALLY THINK THAT THE ISSUE YOU SPOKE WASN'T RESOLOVED WAS IDIOTIC....I have my own reasons for not liking Marcel....(Sorry Marcel..but it goes back a long way).............. You really want to know why I do the things I do?...because I like to see how far I can push people until they can't take it...I like it.... hmmmmmm Bilal finally takes off her gloves????....who would have thought this day would come? I really don't care about your collection or where you get your items from...... AND ACTUALLY.....YOU ARE AN IDIOT FOR RESPONDING--TOO LATE THAT IS.....maybe your post would have be more dignified if you had chosen to write at the time the subject was open to you..... ....Let me see...that means I have 3 people on my hate list.....your one of them... All of you are probably wondering if your one of them...so I will just tell you: 1. Marcel 2. Holli (PLEASE STOP FLAUNTING YOUR ABUSE..PLEASE IT'S ANNOYING...'I WAS ABUSED' 'I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE' 'I KNOW HOW SINÉAD FEELS' 'I KNOW SINÉAD...BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH...TO ACTUALLY THINK YOU KNOW SINÉAD PERSONALLY IS JUST TOTALLY BULLSHIT!) 3. Bilal...tisk tisk..don't start something unless you think you can handle what gets thrown at you..... AND I DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK WHAT YOU THINK OF ME Lion ===== God commanded his angels concerning you To protect you in all your ways They will carry you up in their arms To keep your foot from striking a stone You will tread upon the lion and the cobra You will trample the great lion and serpent __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From jitr-owner Sun Oct 3 08:55:08 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id IAA20453 for jitr-outgoing; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 08:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from idiom.com (root@idiom.com [216.240.32.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id IAA20449 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 08:55:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.minn.net (IDENT:root@mail.minn.net [208.16.88.2]) by idiom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA70496 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 08:55:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h1165 (tc-3-36.dynamic.minn.net [216.177.136.36]) by mail.minn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA10101 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 10:55:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.minn.net: Host tc-3-36.dynamic.minn.net [216.177.136.36] claimed to be h1165 From: "Rob & Holli Marshall" To: "Jitr" Subject: RE: Lion... Removal Request from list... Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 10:55:54 -0500 Message-ID: <001401bf0db7$c5eec8c0$2488b1d8@h1165> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 1 (Highest) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <19991003082806.15352.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: High Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Dear Micheal and other JITR members. I repect the rights of everyones point of view and have been automatically deleting messages from Lion. I do feel that he is extremely disrespectful to the list in general and should be warned about his behavior or removed entirely from the list if he has nothing to say but swear words and contempt that he holds for other individuals. This in itself is a form of abuse and I personally will not let it go on any further. This has always been a very mature list, yes at times we have all had issues, but it seems Lion just keeps stirring the pot. Why? I do not know? I would like to request that he be removed from this list. Please put your name down if you agree and Micheal Birch can be the voice of reason.... Lion - I hope that someday in your own time you feel you don't have to attack people to get your point across. Someone once told me that if you whisper, people will try harder to hear what you are saying then if you yell. Godspeed....and I am sorry to hear of your abuse. Truly, Holli. Warning/Removal Request 1. Holli Marshall ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: owner-jitr@postmodern.com [mailto:owner-jitr@postmodern.com]On Behalf Of Lion Cobra Sent: Sunday, October 03, 1999 3:28 AM To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Bilal BILAL....CAN I JUST TELL YOU SOMETHING: YOU ARE THE BIGGEST BITCH THE WORLD.... TO ACTUALLY THINK THAT THE ISSUE YOU SPOKE WASN'T RESOLOVED WAS IDIOTIC....I have my own reasons for not liking Marcel....(Sorry Marcel..but it goes back a long way).............. You really want to know why I do the things I do?...because I like to see how far I can push people until they can't take it...I like it.... hmmmmmm Bilal finally takes off her gloves????....who would have thought this day would come? I really don't care about your collection or where you get your items from...... AND ACTUALLY.....YOU ARE AN IDIOT FOR RESPONDING--TOO LATE THAT IS.....maybe your post would have be more dignified if you had chosen to write at the time the subject was open to you..... ....Let me see...that means I have 3 people on my hate list.....your one of them... All of you are probably wondering if your one of them...so I will just tell you: 1. Marcel 2. Holli (PLEASE STOP FLAUNTING YOUR ABUSE..PLEASE IT'S ANNOYING...'I WAS ABUSED' 'I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE' 'I KNOW HOW SINÉAD FEELS' 'I KNOW SINÉAD...BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH...TO ACTUALLY THINK YOU KNOW SINÉAD PERSONALLY IS JUST TOTALLY BULLSHIT!) 3. Bilal...tisk tisk..don't start something unless you think you can handle what gets thrown at you..... AND I DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK WHAT YOU THINK OF ME Lion From jitr-owner Sun Oct 3 09:43:36 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id JAA20636 for jitr-outgoing; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 09:43:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from q4.quik.com (q4.quik.com [216.176.28.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id JAA20632 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 09:43:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bailey (ip092.slc.quik.com [209.213.145.92]) by q4.quik.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA66342 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 09:43:28 -0700 From: "Amy" To: Subject: whoa calm down there And! Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 10:38:49 -0500 Message-ID: <01bf0db5$63118f00$5c91d5d1@bailey> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Whoa And, And I thought I'd heard you flared up before! Hahaha! I still love ya!(NOT THAT WAY!) Sinead 4 ever!!! (with the Cranberries and The Bangles on either side!) Amy From jitr-owner Sun Oct 3 14:48:53 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id OAA21646 for jitr-outgoing; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 14:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.netspace.com.mx (qmailr@main.netspace.com.mx [200.38.249.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id OAA21642 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 14:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 14:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 1985 invoked from network); 3 Oct 1999 21:49:10 -0000 Received: from usr006.netspace.com.mx (HELO ?200.38.249.72?) (200.38.249.72) by main.netspace.com.mx with SMTP; 3 Oct 1999 21:49:10 -0000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: jitr@postmodern.com From: johnny@netspace.com.mx (Johnny) Subject: still looking for... Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Did someone out there record sinead's performance on "Shamrock and roll" an overview on Ireland's constributions to rock n'roll" channel Bravo, USA 1992? If so I will be very intrested in receiving a copy of that performance. Please let me know. Johnny From jitr-owner Mon Oct 4 01:57:27 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id BAA26190 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:57:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f280.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.58]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id BAA26186 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:57:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 74573 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 1999 08:56:52 -0000 Message-ID: <19991004085652.74572.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.54.202.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 04 Oct 1999 01:56:48 PDT X-Originating-IP: [198.54.202.2] From: "Lizelle Niemann" To: lion_cobra@yahoo.com, jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Bilal [Delete] Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 10:56:48 SAST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Dear Lion & Other's I thought you were a nice person, now I see you getting personal with a very good friend of mine (Holli). How can you be so mean? And why? (I know they can fight their own battles, but I thought you should hear this from me too) These people have done nothing to you, to deserve the way you talk about them....have they? Anyway, I don't want to get involved with these arguments, I just wanted to tell you to please cool it. You don't know Holli, or any of the others personally. So that gives you no right to abuse them with your fulthy words. It is not neccesary... You also have no right to tell others how and what to say on this list, if you don't like what they have to say, just delete & ignore the damn message....it's that simple! For your own good, I think you need to re-think your strategy on how you treat people. Because this one is not doing you any good. If you want to get angry at me for all the above things I have said, ...I'll tell you know...you'll get no response from me...... Friendship costs nothing, and you CAN be nice if you want to (I Know) >From Lizelle P.s If you know anything about abuse, then you will not condemn Holli for the work that she does. If you don't know anything about abuse, then keep quiet. Don't talk about things you know nothing about. Lion Cobra Wrote: >BILAL....CAN I JUST TELL YOU SOMETHING: > >YOU ARE THE BIGGEST BITCH THE WORLD.... > >TO ACTUALLY THINK THAT THE ISSUE YOU SPOKE WASN'T >RESOLOVED WAS IDIOTIC....I have my own reasons for not >liking Marcel....(Sorry Marcel..but it goes back a >long way).............. > >You really want to know why I do the things I >do?...because I like to see how far I can push people >until they can't take it...I like it.... > >hmmmmmm Bilal finally takes off her gloves????....who >would have thought this day would come? > >I really don't care about your collection or where you >get your items from...... > >AND ACTUALLY.....YOU ARE AN IDIOT FOR RESPONDING--TOO >LATE THAT IS.....maybe your post would have be more >dignified if you had chosen to write at the time the >subject was open to you..... > >....Let me see...that means I have 3 people on my hate >list.....your one of them... > >All of you are probably wondering if your one of >them...so I will just tell you: > >1. Marcel >2. Holli (PLEASE STOP FLAUNTING YOUR ABUSE..PLEASE >IT'S ANNOYING...'I WAS ABUSED' 'I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE' >'I KNOW HOW SINÉAD FEELS' 'I KNOW SINÉAD...BLAH BLAH >BLAH BLAH...TO ACTUALLY THINK YOU KNOW SINÉAD >PERSONALLY IS JUST TOTALLY BULLSHIT!) > >3. Bilal...tisk tisk..don't start something unless >you think you can handle what gets thrown at you..... > >AND I DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK WHAT YOU THINK OF ME > >Lion > > >===== >God commanded his angels concerning you >To protect you in all your ways >They will carry you up in their arms >To keep your foot from striking a stone >You will tread upon the lion and the cobra >You will trample the great lion and serpent > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jitr-owner Mon Oct 4 01:59:27 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id BAA26224 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:59:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f142.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.142]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id BAA26220 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 01:59:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 328 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 1999 08:58:53 -0000 Message-ID: <19991004085853.327.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.54.202.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 04 Oct 1999 01:58:47 PDT X-Originating-IP: [198.54.202.2] From: "Lizelle Niemann" To: hmm@minn.net, jitr@postmodern.com Subject: RE: Lion... Removal Request from list... Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 10:58:47 SAST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ >Dear Micheal and other JITR members. >I repect the rights of everyones point of view and have been automatically >deleting messages from Lion. >I do feel that he is extremely disrespectful to the list in general and >should be warned about his behavior or removed entirely from the list if he >has nothing to say but swear words and contempt that he holds for other >individuals. This in itself is a form of abuse and I personally will not >let it go on any further. This has always been a very mature list, yes at >times we have all had issues, but it seems Lion just keeps stirring the >pot. >Why? I do not know? > >I would like to request that he be removed from this list. Please put your >name down if you agree and Micheal Birch can be the voice of reason.... > >Lion - I hope that someday in your own time you feel you don't have to >attack people to get your point across. Someone once told me that if you >whisper, people will try harder to hear what you are saying then if you >yell. Godspeed....and I am sorry to hear of your abuse. Truly, Holli. > >Warning/Removal Request >1. Holli Marshall >2. Lizelle Niemann > > > > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-jitr@postmodern.com [mailto:owner-jitr@postmodern.com]On >Behalf Of Lion Cobra >Sent: Sunday, October 03, 1999 3:28 AM >To: jitr@postmodern.com >Subject: Bilal > > >BILAL....CAN I JUST TELL YOU SOMETHING: > >YOU ARE THE BIGGEST BITCH THE WORLD.... > >TO ACTUALLY THINK THAT THE ISSUE YOU SPOKE WASN'T >RESOLOVED WAS IDIOTIC....I have my own reasons for not >liking Marcel....(Sorry Marcel..but it goes back a >long way).............. > >You really want to know why I do the things I >do?...because I like to see how far I can push people >until they can't take it...I like it.... > >hmmmmmm Bilal finally takes off her gloves????....who >would have thought this day would come? > >I really don't care about your collection or where you >get your items from...... > >AND ACTUALLY.....YOU ARE AN IDIOT FOR RESPONDING--TOO >LATE THAT IS.....maybe your post would have be more >dignified if you had chosen to write at the time the >subject was open to you..... > >....Let me see...that means I have 3 people on my hate >list.....your one of them... > >All of you are probably wondering if your one of >them...so I will just tell you: > >1. Marcel >2. Holli (PLEASE STOP FLAUNTING YOUR ABUSE..PLEASE >IT'S ANNOYING...'I WAS ABUSED' 'I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE' >'I KNOW HOW SINÉAD FEELS' 'I KNOW SINÉAD...BLAH BLAH >BLAH BLAH...TO ACTUALLY THINK YOU KNOW SINÉAD >PERSONALLY IS JUST TOTALLY BULLSHIT!) > >3. Bilal...tisk tisk..don't start something unless >you think you can handle what gets thrown at you..... > >AND I DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK WHAT YOU THINK OF ME > >Lion > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jitr-owner Mon Oct 4 02:45:38 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id CAA26319 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 02:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f233.hotmail.com [216.32.181.233]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id CAA26315 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 02:45:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3738 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 1999 09:44:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19991004094431.3737.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 212.98.0.168 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 04 Oct 1999 02:44:31 PDT X-Originating-IP: [212.98.0.168] From: "Deniz Cebe" To: lizelle101@hotmail.com, hmm@minn.net, jitr@postmodern.com Subject: RE: Lion... Removal Request from list... Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 12:44:31 EEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ >From: "Lizelle Niemann" >To: hmm@minn.net, jitr@postmodern.com >Subject: RE: Lion... Removal Request from list... >Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 10:58:47 SAST >>Warning/Removal Request >>1. Holli Marshall >>2. Lizelle Niemann 3. Deniz Cebe "You don't have to shout to be heard" - Sinéad O'Connor ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jitr-owner Mon Oct 4 06:38:56 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id GAA26948 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 06:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id GAA26944 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 06:38:52 -0700 (PDT) From: DJO27@aol.com Received: from DJO27@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id iIIUa08594 (4000); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:36:49 EDT Subject: Re: RE: Lion... Removal Request from list... To: dcebe@hotmail.com, lizelle101@hotmail.com, hmm@minn.net, jitr@postmodern.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Ah, it's so nice to sit down at my desk on a beautifull monday morning and enjoy another episode of "As the Sinead fan Turns". You guys all just make my day. DJO From jitr-owner Mon Oct 4 09:09:13 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id JAA27443 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:09:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f138.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.138]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id JAA27439 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:09:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26733 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 1999 16:08:38 -0000 Message-ID: <19991004160838.26732.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 193.221.170.178 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 04 Oct 1999 09:08:37 PDT X-Originating-IP: [193.221.170.178] From: "Sean Murphy" To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Chiquitita Video / New Album Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 09:08:37 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ I waited in until 1:30am on Saturday to watch this Cool to be Celtic show and when Sinead came on with the Chiquitita Video I was completely overwhelmed with emotion. (nothing to do with the bottle of wine I had consumed waiting in ;-)) What an amazing video. I had never seen this before!! It is hard to explain the video as when I do it sounds boring, but it is not at all. It simply shows Sinead in a kitchen doing stuff that most people do in a kitchen, like washing up and cleaning down surfaces etc. BUT Sinead somehow seems to make this into a really beautiful, sincere, warming scene. Sinead also looks amazingly sexy in this too. I think it is just the way she is. In any case, I would like to get my hands on the full video. If anyone has it then please let me know. Au Revoir, Sean > >Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 03:58:32 EEST >From: "Deniz Cebe" >Subject: Chiquitita Video / New Album > >Hi there, > >I've just watched the documentary, Cool To Be Celtic in the ARTE - I must >say that I was expecting and interview, new coverage, a special live >performance so it was a bit of disappointment to see only a nearly one >minute clip of Chiquitita video. > >And this is, without a single doubt, the best disappointment of my life!!! >Hey, what a beautiful piece it is! Obviously the best kitchen I've ever >seen! > >Such a wonderful video made me imagine a probable Chiquitita single. >Wouldn't it be great if the track and the video were accompanied by a CD >single, lots of promotion stuff and air-play as well? Maybe Sinéad (and her >record company) didn't want't such a publicity before her long-awaited >Atlantic debut, who knows? > >I really don't know what to think about the new album now. It was said to >be >out last summer in lots of articles but there isn't even a bit of info so >far. Yesterday I checked out Wall Of Sound, which has a great source for >release dates - they even have the dates for early 2000 - and depressed not >to see any Sinéad release info. > >I wonder if I'll see the day holy that fucking album is gonna be released! > >Love and light, > >Deniz > >PS. Anybody heard the James track, I Defeat yet? > >______________________________________________________ > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jitr-owner Mon Oct 4 09:32:46 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id JAA27615 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:32:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from idiom.com (root@idiom.com [216.240.32.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id JAA27611 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:32:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web107.yahoomail.com (web107.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.74]) by idiom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA28475 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:32:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19991004163052.27224.rocketmail@web107.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.254.115.117] by web107.yahoomail.com; Mon, 04 Oct 1999 09:30:52 PDT Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:30:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Jesseca Subject: ou est le roi de weenies? To: jitr@postmodern.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Why, right here! He's our very own little Lion_Cobra! Oh, my! It was much easier to follow Claudia's advice (long over due me following it) and blocking all mail from M. Cobra or containing his name. Alas, it's not that I'm offended or hurt or even terribly bothered, just bored by his oh-so-my-teenage-soap-opera-antics. And since I've read my last message from M. Cobra, I'm even less concerned with whether he stays on the list or not, and I sure don't have to worry about reading his "You guys gotta help me find this songbook so I can continue to be a little bic" postings. I'm not going to do it because I'm too apathetic, but those of you who are more seriously offended might be interested to know that you can report M. Cobra's highly intellectual and very mature behavior at, as I presume Holli might appreciate, the aptly named abuse@yahoo.com. (Holli, I only mean to say, since you said you wouldn't tolerate his "abuse" any more -- nada else). Below I shall paste part of yahoo's Terms of Service. Yahoo reserves the right to revoke accounts of members who violate the TOS (and maybe that's why I'm not reporting him, because I think the terms are a little vague -- surely a little profanity is good for the soul -- and I could just as easily be guilty of breaking the TOS, so it'd be a little hypocritical for me to report someone else), but, FYI, this is a valid option for others more pissed off than me to persue. And here's what Yahoo says to do about violators: <> A bientot! Jesseca from Yahoo's Terms of Service (TOS) http://f1.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Login?YY=2094 <<>> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From jitr-owner Mon Oct 4 10:26:11 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id KAA27891 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 10:26:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id KAA27887 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 10:26:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcn.com (209-122-231-173.s173.tnt4.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.231.173]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA09727 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37F8E4D0.A136BB43@rcn.com> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 13:33:05 -0400 From: Ken Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {TLC;RETAIL} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JITR Subject: Lots of Bullshit from the ever *perfect* Ken! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello Everyone, I am home sick from work and I am doing a lot of things that should have been done a long time ago! The people who are expecting stuff from me Lita, Deniz, Christiane, Wayne and Lizelle should be happy to know that I just finished packing the last box and as soon as I send this message I am off to the post office! Everything is going out priority so check for it in about three days! Yes, everything is going but I will be soon having another major contest! OK, on to the bullshit I was refering to in my subject line! With all due respect to everyone that I love on this list including Holli, Bilal, Jesseca, Lizelle! I luv you all no matter what!! I have to say that also includes Mister Lion_Cobra!!!!!! I may not love everything that everyone says but I do NOT agree with censorship of any form!! Even hate groups have a right to there opinions! Opinions are based on that persons interactions with said people and if they have not had great dealings with them they have every right to express that!! I may not like it but I don't have to read it! The ever wise Claudia has stated this before!! Please think about what you are proposing! Removing somebody from a list because you do not like what they say!! Will that really fix the problem or will that just keep the feeling from being heard!! The feelings will still exist!! If I held that believe, I would not be a Sinead fan! Sinead has done some things in the past that have offending me personally but I respect her RIGHT to say or do WHATEVER she pleases!! Please think about what you are trying to do!! Somebody in New York is trying to show a art exhibit with shit smeared all over a picture of the Virgin Mary!! Do I like that? NO Do I respect that artists right to display it? YES (without government funds)!!! In the past I have had a few fights with Holli and if you ask Holli now, she will tell you that we have resolved our differences and are DECENT to eachother!! We respect each others OPINIONS!!! Look at the big smoking debate in America!! Instead of fighting smoking where we should, we are just going to put the company who makes the product out of business!! Will that really stop people from smoking?? NO, it will create an underground market for cigarettes!! The way to solve the problem is HELP the people who smoke to fight the habit!! PLEASE JUST THINK ABOUT THINGS AND DON'T LET EMOTION RULE YOUR BEHAVIOUR!! OK, I'm done!! I apologize for this and I hope that you all understand that I love everyone of you!! So with this statement I hope you will understand that I am not trying to strong hold any body from doing what they desire to do but......... "If Lion_Cobra is removed from this list......I will remove myself from this list as a protest to censorship" Boy, I know you think that I am being childish or "controversial" but I will do this just to show everyone what censorship does to a community!! It stops the bad but it also stops the good as well!! Peace to All, Ken From jitr-owner Mon Oct 4 11:01:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id LAA28096 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19991004155304.00aa5a70@pop.telekabel.nl> X-Sender: eduflo@pop.telekabel.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 15:53:21 +0200 To: jitr@postmodern.com From: eduard Subject: live project, the story so far Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Here is a list from all live cd's made so far.... CD 1: Vreedenburg utrecht 16 march 1988 (fm radio broadcast) (VG) Jacky, mandinka, never, just like, jerus, I want, Troy Hammersmith odeon (support for inxs) 14 dec 1987 (A) Jacky, mand, jer,never get, just like, jump, I want CD2: 13 feb 1988 sadler's wells Theatre, London (A+) Jack, mand, never, jer, value of, drink before (!), just call, jump, i want, the hand that rocks, mandinka 11 april 1986 With the waterboys (A) The big music savage earth heart CD 3: Paradise rocket club, boston 31-3 1988 (fm radio broadcast) (VG) jack, mand, never, just like, jerusalem, the hand, just call me, I want your, Troy 26 jun 1988 gay pride festival, london (A-) Nothing compares (very rare accapella version) Jerusalem, value of, just call me, I want your hands cd 4 Pink pop festival, geleen, the Netherlands 23 may 1988 Audience recording, but a very good one. [as a side note: a real good concert with Sinead talking in funny voices] Jacky, mandinka, never get old, just like u said, Jerusalem, the value of ignorance, hand that rocks the cradle, just call me Joe, jitr (announced by her as a new unreleased song), i want your hands on me, [the next 2 songs are from the same concert but then from a hi fi radio broadcast so in better quality), Troy, I am stretched (a cappella version) (total time 60 min) CD 5 Dominion Theatre, London, UK 3 June 1988 audience recording, not good but not bad either. Jackie, mandinka, never get old, just like, Jerusalem, the value, the hand that, just call me Joe, jitr, I want your hands, Troy, i am stretched (a cappella) cd 6 Great woods, Mansfield, USA, 14 aug 1990 Audience recording but nice to listen to, specially because of the rare songs. Feel so diff, emperor's,I want your, 3 babies, black boys, Donald 'o', I am stretched, last day (+ add verse), nothing compares, jitr, Jerusalem, sometimes I feel like a motherless child, anachie Gordon (total time 70 min) EXTRA CD: Perfect quality LINDA McCARTNEY CONCERT: - I believe in you - World where you live (with Neil Finn [from Crowded house]) - Green Green grass of home (backing vocals by Tom Jones) - All my lovin' (all artists together, Paul McCartney main vocals [you can not really hear sinead sing in this one]) EURITHMICS COVERS (with dave stewart/ kylie minogue/ natalia imbugalia) - Happy to be here - Love is a stranger - Sweet dreams ROGER DALTREY CONCERT - Can't do a thing about it - After the fire - Baba o'reilly CONCERT FOR KURDISH REFUGEES - My special child - Don't give up (with peter gabriel) CD7: live at 86th street music hall Vancouver BC, USA 18 April 1988 audience recording Jacky, mandinka, never get, just like, jeru, the value, the hand that, just call me, jitr, I want your, troy (unfortunately with a short break half way) MTV UNPLUGGED SESSION VG. quality - black boys - I do not want what I haven't got MTV VIDEO AWARDS 1990 VG QUALITY - NC2U (very happy version) SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE VG QUALITY - 3 babies - Last day of our acquaintance (very angry version) CD 8 26 April 1988 new York city beacon audience recording Jacky, mandinka, never get, jeru, the value, the hand, just call, jitr, I want your, Troy 26 may 1990 Austin city coliseum, Austin Good audience recording Feel so different, Emperor's, troy, I want your CD 9 13 Oct 1990, Santiago, Chili, Concert for amnesty international VG (except for a few hick ups due to commercial breaks which are cut out this recording) Emperor's, I want your, 3 babies,, Irish ways, I am stretched, Last day of, NC2U, jitr, Jerusalem, mandinka, Black is the color, Don't give up (with peter Gabriel and sting on bass), get up, stand up (with all artists)(only half because of a full cd but all Sinead vocals are on disk) cd 10 VG + 2 tracks audience HAMMERSMITH LONDON; 24 April 1990 (this is also the beautiful vision bootleg, but.... on the beautiful vision bootleg the deleted 2 songs and they are included on this disk, so this is the full show) Feel so, Emperor's, I want your hands, You cause as much sorrow, Three babies, Black boys, jacky (not on the beautiful vision cd), Last day of our acquaintance (not on the beautiful vision cd), NC2U, Jump in the river, Jerusalem, mandinka, Troy CD 11 Good audience recording FOREST NATIONAL; BRUSSELS 29 OCT 1990 Feel so, emperor's, I want your, 3 babies, black boys, Black is the color, I rish ways, I am stretched, Last day of our..., NC2U, JITR, Jerusalem, mandinka, Troy, My special child CD 12 WORLD MUSIC THEATER TINLEY PARK, ILLINOIS 8 April 1990 Audience recording Feel so, Emperor's, hands on me, 3 babies, Black boys, Donald 'o', I am stretched, Last day of our...., Nc2u, Jump, Jerusalem, ANACHIE GORDON (!) CD 13.... 14 march 1988 Vooruit, Gent, belgie Worse audience recording Jackie, mandinka, never get old, jerusalem, value of, drink before the war, just call me joe, jitr, I want your hands on me, the hand that rocks the cradle. CD 14 2 november 1990 ; Milan, Italy, palatrussardi Good audience recording (THIS IS THE LION IN THE CAGE BOOTLEG) Feel so diff, emperor's, I want your, 3 babies, black boys on mopeds, donald -0-, stretched, last day, nc2u, jitr, jerusalem, mandinka, black is the color, my special child CD 15 Nijmegen, holland 17 march 1988 good audience recording Jackie, mandinka, never get old, just like u said it, jerusalem, the value, the hand that, just call me Joe, jitr, I want your hands, Troy And the rest goes backwards so that the 1998 cd's will be burned first; CD41 23 October 1998 Royal Albert Hall, London Audience recording, fair quality NC2u Thank you for hearing me In this heart FOB Last day of our acquaintance (with Sarah McLachlin) (!!!!) an angel (Sarah + Sinead O'Connor) (!!!!!!!!!!!) Building a mystery (Sarah only/ no Sinead O'Connor, but on drums Mr.Reynolds) sessions on west#54 (reasonable recording from TV) this is to mother you petit poulet john I love you Last day of our acquaintance This is a rebel song CD40 very poor audience recording 6 June 1998 Guinness fleadh, finsburry park, London Emperors, you made me the thief (*), I am stretched (*), Jacky, this is a rebel song, dreaming of the bones (*), nc2u (*), F.O.B., last day of our (cut after 1 minute) (*) tracks with davy Spilany on whistle CD39 Great audience recording arlington International, Chicago, IL, 20 june 1998 Emperor's, thief of my heart, strechted, Jackie, Dreaming of the bones, Nc2u, In this heart, FOB, Last day of our..... (again with davy Spilany) Bonus track....dreaming of the bones Live at letterman with davy Spilany CD38 Another great audience recording Sandstone Amphitheatre, Bonner springs, KS, 2 july 1998 Emperor's, thief of, I am strechted, Nc2u, Thank you for hearing me, In this heart, FOB, Last day of our acquinatnce (and again with Davy Spilany) Bonus tracks: Thank you for hearing me + She moves thorugh the fair, live from gael Force CD 37 Again, a great audience recording WITH SCREAMING ORPHANS......(!!!) Providence, Strand theatre, june 17, 1997 Emperor's, Thief of, Stretched, A perfect Indian, This is a rebel song, John I love you, This is to mother you, Petit poulet, Thank you for hearing, In this heart, FOB, last day of our acquintance, I am enough, he moved through the fair. CD 36 Pine Knob, Detroit, Lillith fair, 6 July 1998 Audience recording, same quality as cd34 Emperor's,,you made me the thief,, I am stretched,,nothing compares,,thank you for,,in this heart,, fob,,last day of our acquaintance Volksfestival, Mainz, Germany 27 June 1997 with screaming orphans Great quality...... John I love you,, In this heart,, I am enough for myself/redemption song,,He moved through the fair. !!!!!!!!!!! the songs I am enough and redemption song are played in one piece they continue right after each other without any break. The music just change a bit to go into the other song. I've never heard these two on any other show combined like they did here. Very brilliant song and a great recording.. CD 35 The capital Ballroom, Washington DC, 30 augusts 1997 Audience recording, but a good one Emperor's, thief, stretched, perfect Indian, rebel song, John I love you, mother you, petit poulet, thank you for,, tiny grief song,, fire on Babylon,last day of our,redemption song, he moved through the fair CD34 WARFIELD theater, San Francisco 12 aug 1997 Audience recording, still good but a litlle bit less then cd 35 Emperor's,, thief,,stretched,,perect indian,,petit poulet,,rebel song,,john I love you,,thank you for,,in this heart,,fob,,last day of our,,redemption song,,he moved through CD 33 GLASTONBURY FESTIVAL, 1995 (RADIO BROADCAST, PERFECT QUALITY) Intro,, emperor's,,famine,,the thief of,,thank you for,,last day of our,,stretched on,, RECANATI, ITALY 1995 RADIO BROADCAST (perfect quality) You made me the thief,, tiny grief song,,famine,,raglan road,,f.o.b. thank you for hearing me (with funny ending......we didn't rehearse the ending, so I think this is it papadadapa) CD 32 PINKPOP THE NETHERLANDS 5 JUNE 1995 (tv recording, perfect quality) !!! this is the complete show, on the visions boot they used only half of it !!! Famine, John I love you (1/2), red football, all apologies,,all babies, thank you for,,last day of,,i am stretched,, in this heart,, f.o.b., mandinka ITALY, MAY 1ST, ITALIAN LABOR DAY FESTIVAL, ROME (with screaming orphans) (perfect quality) This is to mother you,, factory girl (accapella) CD 31 Israel Sultans Pool 1995 (TV recording, but this is a copy from a slave from a slave from slave from the master), better then most audience recordings but sometimes the VCR jammed bit so that he voice sounds sometimes a bit out of tune. I've put some songs from this same concert on the same disc but then in a much better quality). John I love you (1/2),,Red football,,all apologies,,a perfect Indian,,all babies,,thank you for,,last day of our,,in this heart,,f.o.b.,, on raglan road (!!!!),, make me a channel of your peace (!!!),,dream a little dream of me (!!!). [from the same concert but in better quality from a different source) Red football,,all apologies,, a perfect indian,,all babies,,raglan road. TV PROJECT CD 1 - This is to mother you (from a french tv show) - Don't cry for me argentine (again a french tv show) - Chiquitita (bel elton show --> very different to the original version) - Success has made (SNL march 27 1992) - War (rehearsal) (SNL oct 3 1992) - War (pop version) (SNL march 27) - Fire on babylon (no sports, germany) - Thank you for hearing me (goldene europe / budapest) - Last day of our (vh 1) - Irish ways and irish laws (arsenio hall show) - You made me the thief (letterman) - Thank you for hearing me (jon stewart show) - John I love you (jon stewart show) - You made me the thief (verstehen sie spaB) - Have I told you lately (letterman [not from the cd, this includes the announcement) - This is to mother you (childwatch UK) (---> very different and full acoustic version) - Mother (original version as performed at the wall concert. The version which appeared on video and cd later is not the version actually played at the concert that night. Due to a power failure sinead's monitor failed that night and there is some confusion on stage, she sings a verse less, etc. With the video and cd later they used a rehearsal scene, but this one was broadcast live, so it's the original version) TV CD 2 much music show (with screaming orphans) - I am stretched on your grave - This is to mother you - Petit poulet - This is a rebel song - Thank you for hearing me - Last day of our - Redemption song Session at west @54 - This is to mother you - Petit poulet - John I love you - Last day of our - This is a rebel song live at bbc whiteroom scotland - haunted (with shane Mc Gowan) You made me the thief of your heart (video clip version, with dramatic speech at the end) TV CD 3 - In this heart - Irish ways and Irish laws (both from MTV Europe, most wanted) - Black boys on mopeds - I do not want what I haven't got (both from MTV / USA / unplugged) - Fire on Babylon - Where's a woman to go (backing vocals only, dusty Springfield main vocals) - In this heart - Famine (all 4 from the UK later with Jools Holland show) - This is to mother you (from David letterman) - Danny boy (accapella version) (from the Irish late late show) - Short speech on how we should be truth to our own language (from a UK children channel) - Thank you for hearing me - I am enough for myself (1994 version) - All apologies (all 3 from MTV /UK/ most wanted) - Dreaming of the bones (with Davy Spillany) (from Letterman) - Success has made a failure of our home - out take 1 - out take 2 - out take 3 - live studio version - Why don't you do it right (live studio version) - Scarlet ribbons (live studio version) (all (except out take 2+3) from coffee and cigarettes) The success out takes 2 + 3 are NOT from the coffee and cigarettes video. LATEST SONGS COMPILATION - Fire on babylon (live from lillith fair) - Release - Chiquitita - Va pensiero - I guess the lord must be in N.Y city - ghostland tracks - Danny boy (davy spilany) . Dreaming of the bones (davy spillany) - Hard sun - factory girl (chieftains) and other releases from last year...... RAREST TRACKS PART 1. Compilation from hard to find live and studio tracks - doggy shit - sweet violets (rhyme)- - Monkey in winter - song with no name - chiquitita - biko (remix) - war - danny boy (full a capella) - fly me to the moon - love is a stranger (live) - sweet dreams (live) - me me a channel of your peace (live) - Dream a little dream of me (live) - an angel (with sarah mclauglin (live) - heroine (mix II) - What do you want - I am not your baby (alternate or demo) - The wild rover - ave maria (hush a bye babe version) - silent night (long version) - I am enough for myself (mtv unplugged) - I am enough for myself (rare acoustic guitar version) - short cuts from roisin dubh, everything comes from you, beautiful bandoran As usual and always, cd's are $10 each. Postage for 1 to 6 cd's is $5. The cd's are send without jewel cases and without any inlays. (except the rarest songs, I've done a inlay for that one) FREE OFFER: BY ANY FIFE CD'S ORDERED (FROM NOW) THE 6TH COMPLETELY FREE. So with postage that means that the 6 cd's will be $55 (instead of $65). Of course you can order 1 cd as well, or 2 or 3. eduflo@telekabel.nl (eduard) From jitr-owner Mon Oct 4 12:08:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id MAA28527 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004401bf0e8c$2b64cd60$dfe524c3@autinbru> Reply-To: "Bruno AUTIN " From: "Bruno AUTIN " To: References: <19991003005833.28860.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Chiquitita Video / New Album Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 19:16:10 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Yes this TV broadcast was really not interresting if we expected something about our beloved Sinead.... From jitr-owner Mon Oct 4 12:09:22 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id MAA28565 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:09:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id MAA28561 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:09:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcn.com (209-122-231-231.s231.tnt4.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.231.231]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA27819 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37F8FCFE.38EFF04C@rcn.com> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 15:16:14 -0400 From: Ken Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {TLC;RETAIL} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JITR Subject: Follow up Note on mailings to people!!(Sorry to use the list!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hey Deniz, Lita, Wayne, Lizelle and Christiane, Just so you know and you can be on the lookout!! - Wayne's Thre Babies CD single is coming in a small priority envelope made of light cardboard! It was sent Global Priority so you should have it in 3 days! - Christiane's is getting the Video and the Book for Pink Floyd and it should also get there in three days via a slighty larger Global Priority cardboard envelope! - Lita is getting two CD's and a tape I made of the Daltrey concert! Your's should arrive in three days via a small Global Priority cardboard box! - Lizelle is getting a surprise(no she didn't win a contest, she's just a friend). Your's will arrive via Express NOT Global Priority! I could not Global Priority something to South Africa sorry! It will still get there is 48-72 hours though! It will be in a cardboard envelope! - Deniz is getting two CD's and a cassingle! They will arrive the same way as Lizelle's because you cannot Global Priority anything to Turkey!! ALL THE ENVELOPE'S AND PACKAGES ARE PRINTED IN OFFICIAL UNITED STATES POSTAL SERVICE ENVELOPES OR BOXES SO BE ON THE LOOKOUT! IF YOU DO NOT RECEIVE THESE IN THE TIMEFRAMES, LET ME KNOW BECAUSE I PAID GOOD MONEY FOR THEM TO ARRIVE ASAP!! LASTLY!! I hope everyone enjoys the stuff that I sent!! I get a lot of pleasure from my copies of these items! I hope you do to!! And again my apologies for taking so long!! Luv, Ken From jitr-owner Mon Oct 4 12:13:05 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id MAA28617 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:13:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id MAA28613 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:13:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcn.com (207-172-97-12.s266.tnt2.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.97.12]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA29660 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37F8FDE0.36926BED@rcn.com> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 15:20:00 -0400 From: Ken Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {TLC;RETAIL} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JITR Subject: Nightmare on Elm Street 4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hey Jumpers, I can't remember what Elm Street movie Sinead was featured on! Can anyone remember? I just bought the DVD box set and it has a lot of extra material including video's and snipets from musical artists that worked on the movies! I'm trying to track down any Sinead info that maybe contained but it is 8 DVD"S so there is ALOT of material to go through!! Any help would be greatly appreciated! All the Best, Ken From jitr-owner Mon Oct 4 14:06:42 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id OAA29282 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ntgyr.guyer.com.uy (ns.guyer.com.uy [207.3.119.26]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id OAA29278 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:06:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m (r243-25.adinet.com.uy [207.50.243.25]) by ntgyr.guyer.com.uy with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id 4H801TJX; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:00:30 -0300 Message-ID: <003401bf0eac$64cec720$19f332cf@m> From: "gUsTAvo aNtuNeZ" To: Subject: peace Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 17:56:48 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ peace please From jitr-owner Mon Oct 4 14:39:15 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id OAA29460 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id OAA29456 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:39:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcn.com (207-172-255-90.s90.tnt2.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.255.90]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA14490 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 17:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37F92015.E7B48CAD@rcn.com> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 17:45:57 -0400 From: Ken Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {TLC;RETAIL} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JITR Subject: For all you DVD fans out there! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hey Jumpers, Coming soon on DVD, not sure about video there is a disc called MTV Unplugged: Finest Moments! It will be released on October 12th in the US! Here are the tracks contained! Finest Moments Contains: Listen Up - Oasis Just Like Heaven - The Cure Lightning Crashes - Live Deep Dark Truthful Mirror - Elvis Costello Under The Milky Way - The Church These Are Days - 10,000 Maniacs Black Gold - Soul Asylum Black Boys On Mopeds - Sinead O'Connor Must Have Been Love - Roxette I can't wait for this one! All the Best, Ken From jitr-owner Mon Oct 4 15:20:40 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id PAA29647 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dove.mtx.net.au (dove.mtx.net.au [203.15.24.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id PAA29640 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtx.net.au (pppk56a-163.mtx.net.au [203.30.53.163]) by dove.mtx.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA83984; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:50:09 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <37F927D2.FFA40777@mtx.net.au> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 07:48:58 +0930 From: Dark X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ken Fitzpatrick CC: JITR Subject: Re: Lots of Bullshit from the ever *perfect* Ken! References: <37F8E4D0.A136BB43@rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ I have to agree with Ken. I don't condone slandering people in a public forum (I have had some of that from a member of this list, so I do know what it feels like), but we do have a choice to ignore or delete messages which we don't wish to read. Lion hasn't exactly received a lot of respect either. Maybe the way he goes about things isn't the 'best' way to gain respect, but calling him immature and other names isn't exactly going to make him feel good about himself or the list either. Sometimes knowing you are being heard (and not hated) is enough. It's amazing what a little tolerance and dare I say it, love, can do. To quote Guz: "Peace please" Who knows, maybe Lion is a male Sinéad in the making, waiting for the right channel for that anger! Kicking him off the list isn't the answer IMO. If Lion is removed (when there is an option of anybody choosing to delete or ignore) then I request to be removed along with him and Ken. -Maria P.S. my apologies for talking about Lion as if he wasn't here... no offence! Love to you all. P.P.S when is Sinead's new albummmmmm going to coooooome outtttttttttt???? From jitr-owner Mon Oct 4 15:29:42 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id PAA29689 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:29:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from idiom.com (root@idiom.com [216.240.32.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id PAA29685 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:29:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web2004.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.204]) by idiom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA34651 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:29:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19991004222935.2973.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.91.18.16] by web2004.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 04 Oct 1999 15:29:35 PDT Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:29:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Lion Cobra Reply-To: lion_cobra@yahoo.com Subject: Freedom To: jitr@postmodern.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Holli...Have you ever heard of the Bill of Rights? Let me list them for you: (in no particular order): 1. Freedom of the press 2. Freedom of Religion 3. The freedom to asseble peacefully 4. FREEDOM OF SPEECH 5. freedom to petition....so...petition if you must....BUT THESE ARE MY RIGHTS AND I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO EXPRESS MSYELF HOWEVER I SEE FIT. Here is my problem with you Holli: "This in itself is a form of abuse" "Sorry for your abuse"......see......your always talking about it...do you think it makes you stand out in a crowd?... By the way...YOU HAVE NO IDEA ON WHAT I HAVE BEEN AND NOT BEEN THROUGH ...SO STOP SPECULATING AND STOP THINKING YOU KNOW EVERYTHING... Here is a little quote I made myself especially for you: "God created man. Man created God. God is the higher power, not man."...get what I'm saying? DO NOT THINK YOU CAN TELL ME WHAT TO DO....and I can't tell you what to do...but I can say EXACTLY WHAT I WANT TO... Lion ===== God commanded his angels concerning you To protect you in all your ways They will carry you up in their arms To keep your foot from striking a stone You will tread upon the lion and the cobra You will trample the great lion and serpent __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From jitr-owner Mon Oct 4 15:40:00 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id PAA29757 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:40:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from idiom.com (root@idiom.com [216.240.32.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id PAA29753 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:39:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web2005.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.205]) by idiom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA40429 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:39:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19991004224231.21717.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.91.18.16] by web2005.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 04 Oct 1999 15:42:31 PDT Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:42:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Lion Cobra Reply-To: lion_cobra@yahoo.com Subject: emulating To: jitr@postmodern.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ To the person who said I was trying to be like someone else....you're wrong....I'M JUST BEING LIKE SINÉAD'S LION AND THE COBRA PERSONA! deja vu...I am requested to leave once again... I would just like to say to Michael Birch that: CERTAIN people are doing the exact same thing now as I was doing...the amount of hypocrisy done by some is ridiculous Lion ===== God commanded his angels concerning you To protect you in all your ways They will carry you up in their arms To keep your foot from striking a stone You will tread upon the lion and the cobra You will trample the great lion and serpent __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From jitr-owner Mon Oct 4 15:55:57 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id PAA29861 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:55:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f142.hotmail.com [216.32.181.142]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id PAA29857 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7887 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 1999 22:55:22 -0000 Message-ID: <19991004225522.7886.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.179.135.198 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 04 Oct 1999 15:55:22 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.179.135.198] From: "Nathan McLean" To: hmm@minn.net, jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Removing Lion Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 19:55:22 ADT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ What the Hell ever happened to freedom of speech and freedom of expression? One would be inclined too think that a true Sinead fan would know. Leave Lion alone!! He's about the only one of you who ever has anything even approaching interesting to say. I for one look forward to his postings. Lion, if these oppressors of freedom let you see this...Give 'em Hell bud! And to the rest of you....if you can't take the heat, if the fire gets too hot...Get the fuck out of Babylon! Nate ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jitr-owner Mon Oct 4 17:04:30 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id RAA00359 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 17:04:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from idiom.com (root@idiom.com [216.240.32.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id RAA00355 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 17:04:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (daemon@smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by idiom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA89079 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 17:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA20437; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 17:03:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd019642; Mon Oct 4 17:02:20 1999 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 17:02:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "Johnnie J. Young" To: jitr@postmodern.com cc: Lion Cobra Subject: Re: Freedom (No Sinead) In-Reply-To: <19991004222935.2973.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ On Mon, 4 Oct 1999, Lion Cobra wrote: > Holli...Have you ever heard of the Bill of Rights? > Let me list them for you: (in no particular order): > 1. Freedom of the press > 2. Freedom of Religion > 3. The freedom to asseble peacefully > 4. FREEDOM OF SPEECH Actually, your argument about freedom of speech and The Bill Of Rights doesn't apply in this situation since this is a private e-mail list. Most people haven't actually read The Bill Of Rights and don't understand what it really says. The Bill Of Rights only applies to the U.S. government not enacting any laws that would restrict free speech on U.S. soil. For example, it protects people who want to express their political views without fear of being arrested. It does not however apply to private individuals, companies, or organizations from restricting certain speech on their property, in their publications or while using their electronic services. If you go into a restaurant or a store or any sort of business and start exercising your "free speech" by preaching or cursing or whatever and the property owner doesn't want you doing that, it is perfectly legal for them to stop you or remove you or have you arrested if you won't comply with their rules. The same applies to publications -- newspapers and magazines won't print whatever you want just because you tell them you want to exercise your "free speech" -- they own the publications and they decide what does and doesn't get printed. And the same applies to the Internet. Unless you are solely using a U.S. government owned server on U.S. government owned web sites with U.S. government owned e-mail, like at a U.S. college, The Bill Of Rights doesn't apply. Most every Internet Service Provider is privately owned and they can restrict what is said or posted on their servers. So what is allowed to be posted on the jitr@postmodern.com list is at the sole discretion of postmodern.com and the list owner placed in charge of this list and they can make whatever rules and/or restrictions that they want and the law is completely on their side. Sorry. Johnnie J. Young jjyoung@primenet.com From jitr-owner Mon Oct 4 17:04:40 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id RAA00394 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 17:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ntgyr.guyer.com.uy (ns.guyer.com.uy [207.3.119.26]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id RAA00380 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 17:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m (r243-20.adinet.com.uy [207.50.243.20]) by ntgyr.guyer.com.uy with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id 4H801TL9; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:58:32 -0300 Message-ID: <03b901bf0ec5$1dbf84a0$14f332cf@m> From: "gUsTAvo aNtuNeZ" To: Subject: change Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:03:08 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ "We must be the change we wish to see in the world." Gandhi If we want it. From jitr-owner Mon Oct 4 17:33:56 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id RAA00479 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 17:33:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from idiom.com (root@idiom.com [216.240.32.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id RAA00475 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 17:33:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by idiom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06128 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 17:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcn.com (207-172-102-194.s575.tnt2.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.102.194]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA17119; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37F948A2.ADAC9D37@rcn.com> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 20:38:58 -0400 From: Ken Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {TLC;RETAIL} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Johnnie J. Young" , JITR Subject: Re: Freedom (No Sinead) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hey Johnny and Jumpers, Excellent message Johnny, I'm sure I could learn a lot from you!! Just a side thought on freedom......We can CHOOSE to frequent the business the allows the message to be heard!! I (that means me) CHOOSE to hear it all because I want to learn from different people and then make up MY mind!! If I don't listen, how can I make an informed choice! Cheers, Ken "Johnnie J. Young" wrote: > On Mon, 4 Oct 1999, Lion Cobra wrote: > > Holli...Have you ever heard of the Bill of Rights? > > Let me list them for you: (in no particular order): > > 1. Freedom of the press > > 2. Freedom of Religion > > 3. The freedom to asseble peacefully > > 4. FREEDOM OF SPEECH > > Actually, your argument about freedom of speech and The Bill Of Rights > doesn't apply in this situation since this is a private e-mail list. Most > people haven't actually read The Bill Of Rights and don't understand what > it really says. The Bill Of Rights only applies to the U.S. government > not enacting any laws that would restrict free speech on U.S. soil. For > example, it protects people who want to express their political views > without fear of being arrested. It does not however apply to private > individuals, companies, or organizations from restricting certain speech > on their property, in their publications or while using their electronic > services. If you go into a restaurant or a store or any sort of business > and start exercising your "free speech" by preaching or cursing or > whatever and the property owner doesn't want you doing that, it is > perfectly legal for them to stop you or remove you or have you arrested if > you won't comply with their rules. The same applies to publications -- > newspapers and magazines won't print whatever you want just because you > tell them you want to exercise your "free speech" -- they own the > publications and they decide what does and doesn't get printed. And the > same applies to the Internet. Unless you are solely using a U.S. > government owned server on U.S. government owned web sites with U.S. > government owned e-mail, like at a U.S. college, The Bill Of Rights > doesn't apply. Most every Internet Service Provider is privately owned > and they can restrict what is said or posted on their servers. So what is > allowed to be posted on the jitr@postmodern.com list is at the sole > discretion of postmodern.com and the list owner placed in charge of this > list and they can make whatever rules and/or restrictions that they want > and the law is completely on their side. Sorry. > > Johnnie J. Young > jjyoung@primenet.com From jitr-owner Mon Oct 4 18:44:32 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id SAA00729 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:44:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id SAA00725 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:44:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Gogobooty3@aol.com Received: from Gogobooty3@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id mZAPojrdP_ (4227) for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:43:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <56c9c2b8.252ab1d4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:43:48 EDT Subject: mooooooooooooooooooooooooo! To: jitr@postmodern.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 52 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ i am a cow. i chew the same cud over and over. then i swallow it. and you may think it's gone but some time later i will regurgitate the same slimy ball of muck. and chew it, as if the problem can be solved, all over again, gnaw, gnaw, gnaw. moooooooo! i am a cow! i don't know any better... i have no control over my stomachs! i can't help what i keep puking up! it tastes fine to me! gnaw, gnaw, gnaw. maybe if i swallow it one more time it will stay down. ---claudia From jitr-owner Mon Oct 4 20:55:16 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id UAA01006 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:55:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id UAA01002 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:55:12 -0700 (PDT) From: RudyDiaz@aol.com Received: from RudyDiaz@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id uBAJa04716 (4324); Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200a6634.252ad063@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:54:11 EDT Subject: Re: Freedom (No Sinead) To: jjyoung@primenet.com CC: jitr@postmodern.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 11 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ In a message dated 10/4/99 4:07:38 PM PST, jjyoung@primenet.com writes: << Most every Internet Service Provider is privately owned and they can restrict what is said or posted on their servers. So what is allowed to be posted on the jitr@postmodern.com list is at the sole discretion of postmodern.com and the list owner placed in charge of this list and they can make whatever rules and/or restrictions that they want and the law is completely on their side. >> ISPs are the equivalent of the phone company - they carry messages and are privately owned. Can the phone company eavesdrop on our phones and censor what we say? Or cutoff phone services if they detect messages that advocate views contrary to the political views of their management? If I email my friend, does my ISP have the right to print my private postings or sell them to the National Enquirer? The first amendment is the most complex amendment and it is hard to generalize or to make blanket statements. As to what Lion-Cobra was saying about rights - I think he was referring to inherent and unalienable rights as human beings to participate in a free society by exchanging and expressing ideas, thoughts, and opinions. These rights, as Jefferson said, are self-evident. In fact, they were considered so self-evident, the framers of the Constitution did not enumerate them in the original Constitution. These rights were later enumerated and added as an afterthought to assuage the states because they feared the newly created federal government become an omnipotent behemoth and would encroach upon the rights of sovereign states and individual citizens. I nominate Claudia for President...moooooooooooooo! Rudy From jitr-owner Mon Oct 4 22:04:37 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id WAA01288 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:04:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.59.113]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id WAA01283 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:04:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from andrek (PHNXB110-01.splitrock.net [209.156.63.152]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA603992 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:04:30 -0400 Message-ID: <001e01befdac$abd1acc0$983f9cd1@andrek> From: "ANDRE B KIRK" To: Subject: Re:Re: Lots of Bullshit from the ever *perfect* Ken! Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:51:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Ken Quite a stand on censorship there hmmm ...and yet you would condone the withdrawl of government funding of the arts based on content you find displeasing... Would that be censorship or hypocrisy? i sometimes forget.. Andre` From jitr-owner Mon Oct 4 22:07:35 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id WAA01327 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:07:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id WAA01323 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:07:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcn.com (207-172-245-56.s310.tnt1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.245.56]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA28320 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37F9892E.DBC44FCE@rcn.com> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 01:14:22 -0400 From: Ken Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {TLC;RETAIL} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JITR Subject: Bob Marley tribute! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hey Jumpers, Just wondering if anyone knows if Sinead will be on this or not? KINGSTON, Jamaica (AP) - Lauryn Hill, Erykah Badu and Aerosmith frontman Steven Tyler are among the performers whose renditions of Bob Marley tunes will be included on a new tribute album. "Bob Marley:Chant Down Babylon" will be released in November, Jamaica's Island Records said Wednesday. The album, produced by Marley's son, Stephen, is a joint effort with Def Jam Records, a label better known for its hip-hop acts. The songs highlight the 1970s hits of Marley, known as "The Gong" in Jamaica. "We hope it will make an impact in terms of the hip-hop world," Stephen Marley said. "They need a spiritual icon like 'The Gong' to get a different message." Hill, who will add a bluesy feel to "Turn Your Lights Down Low," is married to another of Marley's sons, Rohan. Badu will sing "No More Trouble" and Tyler will cover "Roots, Rock, Reggae" from Marley's 1976 breakthrough album, "Rastaman Vibration." From jitr-owner Mon Oct 4 22:15:17 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id WAA01372 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ewey.excite.com (ewey-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.191]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id WAA01368 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:15:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slippery.excite.com ([199.172.153.106]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with ESMTP id <19991005051444.VOXL27120.ewey@slippery.excite.com> for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:14:44 -0700 From: "sam+ caley" To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Serenity Message-Id: <939100484.25157.770@excite.com> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 22:14:44 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 144.126.176.62 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ God grant me the serenity To accept the things I cannot change The courage to change the things I can And the wisdom to know the difference Sam ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From jitr-owner Mon Oct 4 22:17:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id WAA01408 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:17:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id WAA01404 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcn.com (207-172-245-56.s310.tnt1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.245.56]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA29384; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37F98B69.55DA4F00@rcn.com> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 01:23:53 -0400 From: Ken Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {TLC;RETAIL} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ANDRE B KIRK , JITR Subject: Re: Lots of Bullshit from the ever *perfect* Ken! References: <001e01befdac$abd1acc0$983f9cd1@andrek> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hey Andre, That would be neither censorship nor hypocrisy! You can show whatever art you want to show I have no problem with that BUT when you use TAX dollars(paid in part by my hard work) to support that art, I really have no choice!! I just don't have to go see it or pay for the admission! If you like the art then YOU pay for it out of your own pocket!! Why should I pay for art I do not like? All the Best, Ken ANDRE B KIRK wrote: > Ken > > Quite a stand on censorship there > hmmm ...and yet you would condone the withdrawl of government funding of the > arts based on content you find displeasing... > Would that be censorship or hypocrisy? i sometimes forget.. > > Andre` From jitr-owner Mon Oct 4 22:28:25 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id WAA01446 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:28:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id WAA01442 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:28:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcn.com (207-172-216-194.s194.tnt1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.216.194]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA09809 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:28:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37F98E0F.E9CB0986@rcn.com> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 01:35:11 -0400 From: Ken Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {TLC;RETAIL} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JITR Subject: ART (Not Sinead Related) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hey Andre and Jumpers: Actually I find a lot of this art at the same exhibit interesting!! I just don't like the Virgin Mary picture with shit all over it!! I wouldn't like my mother picture to have shit all over it so why would I like the other! Just in case your interested.....Here's a person(David Bowie) who is using his own money to support the exhibit! IMHO That's the way it should be! All the best, Ken NEW YORK (Billboard) - David Bowie is offering a virtual guided tour of the controversial art show "Sensations: Young British Artists From The Saatchi Collection." The tour, which features all 141 pieces in the show, takes place on Bowie's Web site, www.davidbowie.com. The exhibit premiered online Saturday, the day its physical counterpart was to open at the Brooklyn (N.Y.) Museum of Art. The high-profile show, which comprises pieces from the private collection of British advertising executive Charles Saatchi, has turned into a political hotbed, drawing the ire of New York City mayor Rudy Guiliani. The mayor, who has described the exhibit of "sacrilegious" and "offensive," has threatened to evict the museum and cut off its municipal funding if the show is not halted. The museum is suing the city for the right to proceed with the exhibit - the city has said it will countersue. The U.S. Senate also voted Thursday to halt federal funding for the museum unless it cancels the showing. Among the show's pieces are a frozen rendition of an artist's head made with nine pints of his blood; a painting of the Virgin Mary adorned with elephant dung and pictures of buttocks cut out of porn magazines; and carcasses of dissected animals embalmed in formaldehyde. Bowie's virtual tour - which serves as the official guide for the exhibit - provides RealAudio commentary on the pieces in the collection. It also includes artist biographies and photos, as well as comments by Bowie. In addition, the site has a chat area where exhibit patrons may discuss the art, its meaning and the controversy surrounding it. From jitr-owner Mon Oct 4 23:04:30 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id XAA01550 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:04:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37F95BDB.CC3EA97B@yedragon.com> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 19:00:59 -0700 From: Dan Ridley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) To: Nathan McLean , jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Removing Lion References: <19991004225522.7886.qmail@hotmail.com> Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ > What the Hell ever happened to freedom of speech and freedom of expression? > One would be inclined too think that a true Sinead fan would know. Leave > Lion alone!! He's about the only one of you who ever has anything even > approaching interesting to say. I for one look forward to his postings. > Lion, if these oppressors of freedom let you see this...Give 'em Hell bud! > And to the rest of you....if you can't take the heat, if the fire gets too > hot...Get the fuck out of Babylon! I'm not for removing Lion, but... it's not a matter of freedom of speech; noone has suggested that Lion be prohibited from opening his own mailing list and posting his vitriolic prattle there. Freedom of the press means you can print what you want to print; not that I can make you print what I want you to print. Similarly, if the list's Powers That Be want Lion off the list, Lion should be removed. The only time this would be a violoation of freedom of speech (in the American view of the phrase) is if the government was doing the removing. But as I said, I'm not for removing him; he's annoying but I'd like to believe he's redeemable. Maybe all my time on Slashdot.org has hardened me to juvenile antics like his own. -- Dan Ridley http://www.yedragon.com/ -- An ye harm none, do as ye will. From jitr-owner Tue Oct 5 01:35:15 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id BAA03975 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:35:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.netspace.com.mx (qmailr@main.netspace.com.mx [200.38.249.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id BAA03971 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:35:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:35:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23043 invoked from network); 5 Oct 1999 08:35:32 -0000 Received: from usr020.netspace.com.mx (HELO ?200.38.249.86?) (200.38.249.86) by main.netspace.com.mx with SMTP; 5 Oct 1999 08:35:32 -0000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: jitr@postmodern.com From: johnny@netspace.com.mx (Johnny) Subject: Re: Removing Lion Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Sinead O'Connor will hate all this, if she were here on JITR list. Johnny From jitr-owner Tue Oct 5 01:48:51 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id BAA04032 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:48:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from e1001.quickdot.com (e1001.mailer.quickdot.com [216.34.103.199]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id BAA04028 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [216.34.103.201] by e1001.mailer.quickdot.com (NTMail 4.30.0012/NY2286.00.cbd02325) with ESMTP id dfqwraaa for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 04:50:56 -0400 From: Mandy Green at Quickdot To: "jitr@postmodern.com" Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 08:49:23 "GMT" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-mailer: AspMail 2.63 (QSMTC6EB75) Subject: Quickdot invitation from Mandy Green Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <08505679628442@rotarywatches.com> Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Mandy Green would like to establish a Quickdot connection with you. Mandy has created one end of the connection and is waiting for you to activate your end. Quickdot is an innovative, Web-based communication shortcut. Through your Personal Communication Portal, you keep in touch with friends, family, and co-workers that you communicate with frequently. You get a virtual message board connecting you and each of your buddies. Whatever you type on your dotboard will be posted on your buddy's and vice versa. It's free, it's quick, and it's available wherever you are, through the Internet. Mandy already has a free Quickdot account. As soon as you sign up for your free account, Quickdot connects the dot between you and Mandy. To activate your Quickdot connection with Mandy Green, just go to this URL and follow the brief instructions on the screen: http://quickdot.com/register.asp?Name=Mandy%20Green&RefEmail=mandyg@rotarywatches.com From jitr-owner Tue Oct 5 02:57:31 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id CAA04197 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 02:57:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f105.hotmail.com [216.32.181.105]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id CAA04193 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 02:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 27954 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 1999 09:56:55 -0000 Message-ID: <19991005095655.27953.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 212.98.0.194 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 05 Oct 1999 02:56:55 PDT X-Originating-IP: [212.98.0.194] From: "Deniz Cebe" To: footumch@rcn.com, jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Bob Marley tribute! Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 12:56:55 EEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hi there, Well, it seems she's not on it. What a shame!!! Love and light, Deniz >From: Ken Fitzpatrick >To: JITR >Subject: Bob Marley tribute! >Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 01:14:22 -0400 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jitr-owner Tue Oct 5 03:07:33 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id DAA04260 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 03:07:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f12.hotmail.com [216.32.181.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id DAA04256 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 03:07:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24728 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 1999 10:06:58 -0000 Message-ID: <19991005100658.24727.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 212.98.0.194 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 05 Oct 1999 03:06:57 PDT X-Originating-IP: [212.98.0.194] From: "Deniz Cebe" To: footumch@rcn.com, jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Lots of Bullshit from the ever *perfect* Ken! Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 13:06:57 EEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hi there, Although I agree with almost everything you mentioned, I have to add that it must be _recognized_ that Lion's writings are nothing but absolute disrespect. I totally support freedom of speech and believe that any form of cencorship is bad; but, basically, you have to respect others' feelings and rights to _deserve_ these things. Excuse me, but seeing Lion shitting over Bilal or Holli or Marcel or whomsoever makes me sick in my stomach. So here's my point: Utter ignorance or removal. Love and light, Deniz >From: Ken Fitzpatrick >To: JITR >Subject: Lots of Bullshit from the ever *perfect* Ken! >Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 13:33:05 -0400 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jitr-owner Tue Oct 5 06:40:53 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id GAA04807 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 06:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from idiom.com (root@idiom.com [216.240.32.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id GAA04803 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 06:40:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cs.uta.fi (IDENT:root@mail.cs.uta.fi [153.1.55.25]) by idiom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA08691 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 06:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from curly (curly.cs.uta.fi [153.1.55.209]) by mail.cs.uta.fi (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA31878; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:36:47 +0300 (EEST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991005163202.00a27600@cs.uta.fi> X-Sender: curly@cs.uta.fi X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 16:43:29 +0300 To: lion_cobra@yahoo.com From: Paivi Majaranta Subject: I want in (Not Sinead Related) Cc: jitr@postmodern.com In-Reply-To: <19991003082806.15352.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ At 01:28 3.10.1999 -0700, Lion Cobra wrote: >....Let me see...that means I have 3 people on my hate >list.....your one of them... What should I do to get into that hate list? Here is what I think about Lion Cobra: Lion Cobra has every right to hurt everybody else's feelings. Lion Cobra has every right to be as nasty as he wishes. Lion Cobra has every right to mess up with anyone. Lion Cobra has every right to do what ever he wants. Lion Cobra never needs to think about other people. Lion Cobra may live in his own little world. Lion Cobra may love no other, but himself. As Lion Cobra says, he has the freedom, like there was no other people in the world. I hope Lion Cobra finds a world, which is filled with other Lion Cobras. Bite me with your venom. - C. ps. Sorry to anyone else... I've been in Germany for a few days, and again was stupid enough to read *all* recent jitr messages. When do I learn? Yak. :-P From jitr-owner Tue Oct 5 07:52:49 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id HAA05098 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f174.hotmail.com [216.32.181.174]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id HAA05094 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:52:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 83192 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 1999 14:52:15 -0000 Message-ID: <19991005145215.83191.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 212.98.1.65 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 05 Oct 1999 07:52:15 PDT X-Originating-IP: [212.98.1.65] From: "Deniz Cebe" To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: One More Point Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 17:52:15 EEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ You can't swear, flood and disturb people and still stay in a chat channel, can you? If you do so, you're either warned, kicked or banned. That clear. Deniz (Not very serious though; because he knows that seven fools can ask more of than seventeen wise man can answer! :) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jitr-owner Tue Oct 5 08:44:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id IAA05327 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:44:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f264.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.41]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id IAA05323 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 67941 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 1999 15:43:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19991005154337.67940.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 12.79.6.118 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 05 Oct 1999 08:43:37 PDT X-Originating-IP: [12.79.6.118] From: "Ben S" To: jitr@server.postmodern.com Subject: art & gov't funding(nsc), removing lion cobra Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 11:43:37 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ hi everyone in my opinion, a major problem with gov't funding of the arts is that it puts the gov't in a no-win situation. by funding some artists or institutions and not others, the gov't automatically becomes a tool of censorship. if both karen finley and kenny scharf apply for a grant, but only ms. finley gets one, isn't the gov't, in effect, "censoring" mr. scharf? why should the gov't pick and choose which art is worthy of support? a broader issue concerns the basis for subsidizing artists over other professions. in new york, some housing subsidies are set aside exclusively for artists, under the flawed theory that artists are somehow more important to new york than others. why aren't other low income professions(teachers, social workers, seamstresses) afforded the same courtesy? and how to determine who is an artist? on another topic, i must say that i am completely against removing lion from the list. removing him would certainly be within the rights of those who control the list. even a broad reading of "freedom of speech" as an inalienable human right(not as a right given us by the us constitution) would not require that he be given a forum by others, in this case the jitr list. however, removing him would accomplish very little. if you don't want to read his postings, delete them. if you want to respond to them, email him privately. just some random thoughts, ben ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jitr-owner Tue Oct 5 09:11:56 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id JAA05428 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:11:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f189.hotmail.com [216.32.181.189]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id JAA05424 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 2938 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 1999 16:11:23 -0000 Message-ID: <19991005161123.2937.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 212.98.1.65 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 05 Oct 1999 09:11:23 PDT X-Originating-IP: [212.98.1.65] From: "Deniz Cebe" To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Danny Girl Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 19:11:23 EEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ "The summer's gone All the flowers are falling 'Tis you, 'tis you >From whom I'm waiting for a new album." Deniz ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jitr-owner Tue Oct 5 09:45:54 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id JAA05735 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:45:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f22.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.22]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id JAA05731 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:45:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20360 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 1999 16:45:19 -0000 Message-ID: <19991005164519.20359.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.63.10.103 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 05 Oct 1999 09:45:15 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.63.10.103] From: "jay millet" To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: newspin. Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 09:45:15 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Just a thought to ponder.... KEN FOR PRES!!! Well, i would like to add a new spin, news pin, or new s pin to the issue. It seems that many or most of us admire sinead for her talents and ability to convey emotion feeling and whatever she wants through her music. Inseperably, what comes along with that is her persona, character, history, antics, biting, and her ability to start a psycho-social fire on babylon with relatively little effort. She can do it, its her! Precisely why lion likes her, they have that in common; and for that i think he deserves some credit. One big difference is listers seem to take it personally, but if he had a heavenly voice, gobbs of singles, and was a complete knockout, i think there would be a list for him too, and many here would be there too. :) DELETE..... Jay >Hi there, > >Although I agree with almost everything you mentioned, I have to add that >it >must be _recognized_ that Lion's writings are nothing but absolute >disrespect. > >I totally support freedom of speech and believe that any form of cencorship >is bad; but, basically, you have to respect others' feelings and rights to >_deserve_ these things. > >Excuse me, but seeing Lion shitting over Bilal or Holli or Marcel or >whomsoever makes me sick in my sto