From jitr-owner Mon Mar 1 00:43:31 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id AAA13493 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 00:43:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (wya-lfd106.hotmail.com [207.82.252.170]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id AAA13489 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 00:43:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 6280 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 1999 08:42:56 -0000 Message-ID: <19990301084256.6279.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.169.41.38 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 01 Mar 1999 00:42:53 PST X-Originating-IP: [192.169.41.38] From: "kai chai" To: jitr@postmodern.com Cc: bobbink@telebyte.nl Subject: pope's album Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 00:42:53 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ hi jitr pple, according to time magazine, pope john paul II is releasing his debut cd, abba pater, which features original music, prayers and chants, end of this month. if you can recall, there was once a report (reliable or not, i dunno) a few months back abt how he's asked sinead to recite some biblical prayers for a cd. any wise, prescient soul out there knows whether this is the cd in which sinead is making her magical appearance, or is it all but a mere hoax? crossing my fingers, kai chai. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jitr-owner Mon Mar 1 01:41:57 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id BAA13660 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 01:41:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from edy.ivg.it (root@[194.184.152.232]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id BAA13656 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 01:41:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from forgione.ivg.it (modema4.ivg.it [194.184.152.146]) by edy.ivg.it (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA13990 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:41:39 +0100 Message-Id: <199903010941.KAA13990@edy.ivg.it> From: "Enzo" To: Subject: ITEMS FOR SALE Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:29:42 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hi JITRs, this is my list of items, you can see the prices (postage not included)also if I prefer to trade with other item(you can see my wanted list at the end of the page). 1-This is to mother you / HOL 1 track cd promo $10 2-Haunted / UK 1 track cd promo $10 3-Somebody to love(In Tua Nua) / ITA lp album $70 ( only on this lp you can find the 9'05" version of Take my hand) 4-Beautiful vision / ITA cd bootleg $30 5-This a rebel song / UK cd single (665299 2) $10 6-Famine / FRA 1 track cd promo $30 (only on this cd you can find the 3'40" version of this song) WANTED ITEMS: 1-In Tua Nua / Take My Hand (1984)promo 7" vinyl-single; (UK: IS 211 DJ) 2- Various Artists / Music From The Film "Married To Mob" (1988)cd album 3-Wobble, Jah And The Invaders Of The Heart / The Ungodly Kingdom EP. (1992)cd-single 4-Max / Silence Running (1992) cd album 5- Nelson, Willie / Don't Give Up (1993)cd-single 6- Manu Dibango / Biko (1994)cd-single 7- The Lion In The Cage (1990)bootleg live-cd 8-Roger Daltrey & guests singing Townshend Live at Carnegie Hall - New York - 26th February 1994 (1995)double bootleg live-cd 9-My Special Child (1991)promo 7" vinyl-single (UK: enydj 646) 10-Don't Cry For Me Argentina (1992)promo cd-single; (FRA: spcd 1630) I'm waiting for your answer... enzo From jitr-owner Mon Mar 1 07:36:15 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id HAA14361 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 07:36:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id HAA14357 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 07:36:11 -0800 (PST) From: DaHeinze@aol.com Received: from DaHeinze@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 2YODa09891 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:02:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:02:23 EST To: jitr@postmodern.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: jitr-digest V5 #61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows 95 sub 68 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hi Kai Chai, hi everybody, << Subject: pope's album hi jitr pple, according to time magazine, pope john paul II is releasing his debut cd, abba pater, which features original music, prayers and chants, end of this month. if you can recall, there was once a report (reliable or not, i dunno) a few months back abt how he's asked sinead to recite some biblical prayers for a cd. any wise, prescient soul out there knows whether this is the cd in which sinead is making her magical appearance, or is it all but a mere hoax? crossing my fingers, kai chai. >> Sorry to say, but as far as i know (the record company told me) the cd will only include prayers "performed" by the pope and some meditation music. I am quite sure there'll be no Sinead at all :-) Shalom, Daniel. From jitr-owner Mon Mar 1 08:29:56 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id IAA14537 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 08:29:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.adinet.com.uy (mail.adinet.com.uy [206.99.44.235]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id IAA14529 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 08:29:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from tango.uruguaynet.com.uy (r42-146.uruguay.net.uy [200.2.42.146]) by mail.adinet.com.uy (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA05794 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:29:08 -0300 (GMT) Message-ID: <004401be6400$fd020c20$922a02c8@tango.uruguaynet.com.uy> From: "Gustavo" To: Subject: butcher boy Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:30:43 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ I would like to know what does Sinead think of this movie. I saw it yesterday, and I really can't fix Sinead with the film. Nobody knows what' her opinion on her performance, and on the whole movie? I appreciatte any information thank you guz From jitr-owner Mon Mar 1 08:29:57 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id IAA14543 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 08:29:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.adinet.com.uy (mail.adinet.com.uy [206.99.44.235]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id IAA14530 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 08:29:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from tango.uruguaynet.com.uy (r42-146.uruguay.net.uy [200.2.42.146]) by mail.adinet.com.uy (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA05777; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:29:04 -0300 (GMT) Message-ID: <004301be6400$fb90c8e0$922a02c8@tango.uruguaynet.com.uy> From: "Gustavo" To: "kai chai" Cc: Subject: RE: Final RANKING RESULTS Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:27:09 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ HI kai ( are you male or female? ) >hi guz, >thanks for taking the trouble. >wondering whether you can give us the exact breakdown in absolute >numbers for each song, in order of first, second and third most popular >songs? Someone asked me before for the same. The point is that I deleted all the information. Fortuantely I found it in a lost diskette. I will include it at the end of the mail. >and how many people voted in this exercise? only 28. I thought they were 30 something, but there were many of you that voted more than once, because of the covers stuff, and such. Also they were two or three cases of people who did not change the way to vote, out of the little rules, and were deleted. So here's the numbers of how many times each song was mentioned: TROY 10 FIRE ON BABYLON 5 THREE BABIES 4 THE LAST DAY OF OUR ACQUAINTANCE 4 I AM STRETCHED ON YOUR GRAVE 4 THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME 4 STILL LISTENING 3 YOU MADE ME THE THIEF OF YOUR HEART 3 PETIT POULET 3 IN THIS HEART 3 EMPIRE 3 DRINK BEFORE THE WAR 3 JERUSALEM 3 A PERFECT INDIAN 3 YOU CAUSE AS MUCH SORROW 2 DAMN YOUR EYES 2 MY SPECIAL CHILD 2 SACRIFICE 2 JUST LIKE YOU SAID IT WOULD B 2 The rest of the songs mentioned below, were mentioned just once: IRISH WAYS, I WANT YOUR HANDS ON ME, HEROINE, CHIQUITITA, BLACK BOYS ON MOPEDS, ALL BABIES, FEEL SO DIFFERENT, FAMINE, FACTORY GIRL, THIS IS TO MOTHER YOU, THIS IS A REBEL SONG, THE EMPEROR'S NEW CLOTHES, SCORN NOT HIS SIMPLICITY, NOTHING COMPARES 2 U, DONALD O, RED FOOTBALL, MONKEY IN WINTER, MANDINKA, JOHN I LOVE YOU. and that's it. Maybe in the future we can do it better. I know that we are more than 30. bye and thanks, GUZ From jitr-owner Mon Mar 1 12:49:53 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id MAA15334 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:49:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from degas.telebyte.nl (root@degas.telebyte.nl [194.235.214.15]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id MAA15330 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:49:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from jarb (tc1-22.tc.telebyte.nl [194.235.222.151]) by degas.telebyte.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA00862 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:49:16 +0100 Message-ID: <002901be6425$04506de0$97deebc2@jarb> From: "Mars-L" To: Subject: Re: jitr-digest V5 #61 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:49:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello, >Correction to eduard >Subject: 7" and 12" >To add a little on the 7" or 12" discussion. >Because a 12" is much bigger than a single the quality of the recording is >better than on a 7". Big BS !!!! A bigger also doesn't taste better then a small one. A bigger **** doesn't **** better then a small one (censorred sorry) And a 5" cd also doesn't sound better then a 3" one. There is no difference if the master is alike. Though......when it's done in 45 RPM then it can be better the 33RPM because the aria the needle moves over in one second is a bigger distance so it can hold more information. But 45RPM is done on 7" and also on 12"es, same is possible with 33 RPM. >Like with heroine, the songs are exactly the same. On the 7" it's the >single version and on the b-side it's the mix 2. That's the same as on the >12", but because of the fact that the 12" is larger the grooves have more >space between them (I know there is only one groove) and therefore they >could record the music in that groove in a better quality. That totally depends on the RPM. If the 12" is done on 33RPM then it can even be worse then a 7" on 45RPM. >That's why I personally prefer a 12" (also because of the bigger artwork etc). THAT'S THE ONE AND ONLY REASON WHY TO BUY A 12" IF THEY'RE THE SAME. From jitr-owner Mon Mar 1 18:37:19 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id SAA16296 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:37:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id SAA16292 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:37:16 -0800 (PST) From: Gogobooty3@aol.com Received: from Gogobooty3@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id HBUHa19751; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:21:46 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:21:46 EST To: bobbink@telebyte.nl, jitr@postmodern.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: SIZE matters Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 83 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ hi kids this is just my humble opinion...and while it may not be true for vinyl records, i do think SIZE DOES MATTER! for example, a BIG bowl of ice cream is better than a SMALL bowl of ice cream. same for CHOCOLATE, bouquets of flowers, packages in the mail and even...dare i say it? PENISES! i admit it: i am a size queen. if i had my choice i'd probably pick the 12". DELETE! ---c From jitr-owner Mon Mar 1 21:09:48 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id VAA16636 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:09:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from send106.yahoomail.com (send106.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.43]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id VAA16632 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:09:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19990302051008.29497.rocketmail@send106.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.91.18.124] by send106.yahoomail.com; Mon, 01 Mar 1999 21:10:08 PST Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:10:08 -0800 (PST) From: Lion Cobra Reply-To: lion_cobra@yahoo.com Subject: The Year of the Horse To: jitr@postmodern.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Does anyone know where to find a copy of the year of the horse video???????????????????? I have a question about the video....why did they stop making copies of it? QUESTION FOR ALL OF YOU: Do you think that someone should buy the rights to the video and start reproducing it????? Lion Cobra == God commanded his angels concerning you To protect you in all your ways They will carry you up in their arms To keep your foot from striking a stone You will tread upon the lion and the cobra You will trample the great lion and serpent _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From jitr-owner Tue Mar 2 10:27:56 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id KAA20037 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:27:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000401be64bd$d8920f80$aa8801d4@black.ncl.ac.uk> From: "Jo" To: Subject: more album appearances Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:52:11 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ i have foung several other appearances for her on various compilation albums for those seeking completeness: **jo** they are 1. Celtic Angels Artist Various Artists Album Title Celtic Angels Date of Release Oct 21, 1997 (approx.) inprint Genre Celtic Styles Irish Type various artists 1997 CD Amiata 1397 Seamus Egan - Flute, Bodhran, Tin Whistle, Low Whistle Donal Lunny - Bouzouki, Arranger, Producer, Engineer Mairead Ni Dhomhnaill - Arranger Jay Ansill - Mandolin, Celtic Harp Steve Coulter - Celtic Harp Barry Phillips - Cello Bruce Abrams - Guitar Maire Brennan - Arranger Larry Campbell - Guitar Steve Cooney - Engineer Johnny Cunningham - Fiddle, Arranger, Producer Graham Henderson - Arranger, Keyboards, Organ (Hammond) Trevor Hutchinson - Double Bass Talitha MacKenzie - Vocals Tim Martin - Engineer Brian Masterson - Mixing Scott Noll - Engineer, Mixing Sinéad O'Connor - Vocals Rick Rowe - Mastering Jamshied Sharifi - Percussion, Keyboards Martin Swan - Arranger, Multi Instruments Rick Walker - Percussion Ben Wittman - Percussion Justin Mayer - Engineer, Mixing Harris Moore - Dulcimer (Hammer) Ed Oliveau - Assistant Engineer Gary Regina - Sax (Soprano), Penny Whistle Denis Woods - Arranger Ray Fean - Drums Akira Satake - Executive Producer Uxia - Vocals Ciaran Byrne - Engineer Conal Markey - Mixing Assistant Quico Comesaña - Harp Margarita Joukova - Cello Kepa Junkera - Accordion Mick McAuley - Accordion Nacho Muñoz - Arranger, Keyboards Norman Verso - Engineer Rich Wilkins - Assistant Engineer Dave Slevin - Assistant Engineer Surabhi - Keyboards, Vocals, Producer Dan DiPaola - Engineer Atsushi Yamazaki - Assistant Engineer Ciaran Cahill - Assistant Engineer Eric Helmuth - Assistant Engineer 1. He Moved Through the Fair (O'Connor, Sinéad) - 3:41 2. Scéal Na Gcapall (Chieftains) - 2:48 3. Amhrán Pheadar Breathnach (Ní Dhomhnaill, Maighread) - 4:12 4. Seacht Suáilcí Na Maighdine Muire (Ní Fhearraigh, Aoife) - 4:37 5. I Go to Bed (D'Goya) - 3:43 6. Bonnie Mulligan (Shannon, Sharon) - 2:52 7. Carolan's Ramble to Cashel (Coulter, Steve/Moore, Harris) - 3:22 8. Star Lullabye (Cunningham, Johnny) - 3:17 9. (A Mhic Iarla Nam) Bratach Bana (Mouth Music) - 4:47 10. Trespasser (Whisky Trail) - 4:31 11. Glen Affric (In A Split Second) - 3:48 12. Verdes São Os Campos (The Fields Are... (Uxía) - 4:40 13. Mo Bhrón AR an Bhfarraige (My Grief... (O'Reilly, Melanie) - 4:26 2. Loaded, Vol. 1 Artist Various Artists Album Title Loaded, Vol. 1 Date of Release 1995 (approx.) inprint Genre Rock Styles Alternative Pop/Rock, 90's Type various artists Time 69:59 1. Unbelievable (EMF) - 3:30 2. No Way Out (D Generation) 3. Are You Gonna Go My Way (Kravitz, Lenny) - 3:30 4. Creep (Radiohead) - 3:58 5. Devil You Know (Jesus Jones) - 3:48 6. Stand Above Me (Orchestral Manoeuvres In The Dark) - 3:32 7. Girls and Boys (Blur) - 7:14 8. Come Undone (Duran Duran) - 7:31 9. Sleeping Satellite (Archer, Tasmin) - 3:21 10. Gentleman Who Fell (Milla) - 4:09 11. I Believe in You (O'Connor, Sinead) - 5:37 12. Alleluia, Beatus Qui Suffert - 3:12 13. Return to Innocence (Enigma) - 4:08 14. What Silence Knows (Nelson, Shara) - 7:30 15. In Your Town (Gaines, Jeffrey) - 5:19 16. Ghost Town (Specials, The) - 3:40 3. More Songs for Sleepless Nights Artist Various Artists Album Title More Songs for Sleepless Nights Date of Release 1993 (approx.) inprint AMG Rating (OK) Genre Rock Styles 50's, 60's, 70's, Traditional Pop, 80's, 90's Type various artists, soundtrack Time 42:44 None of the songs on More Songs for Sleepless Nights were featured in the film Sleepless in Seattle, but for those who enjoyed the movie's actual soundtrack, this collection offers several songs in the same vein. -- All-Music Guide CD Sony 57682 Percy Faith - Group Bryan Ferry - Producer Frank Filipetti - Producer Jimmy Hilliard - Producer Marty Paich - Producer Sinéad O'Connor - Producer Richard Perry - Producer John Porter - Producer John Punter - Producer Norbert Putnam - Producer Phil Ramone - Producer 1. I'll See You in My Dreams (Durante, Jimmy) - 2:57 2. When I Fall in Love (Cole, Nat King) - 3:09 3. My Funny Valentine (Simon, Carly) - 3:21 4. These Foolish Things (Remind Me of... (Ferry, Bryan) - 5:42 5. I Wanna Be Loved by You (O'Connor, Sinead) - 2:43 6. Sonny Boy (Jolson, Al) - 3:06 7. Mockingbird (Simon, Carly & James Taylor) - 3:49 8. Someday I'll Find You (Day, Doris) - 3:02 9. But I Do (Henry, Clarence "Frogman") - 2:17 10. Down in the Depths (Merman, Ethel) - 3:07 11. Stars Fell on Alabama (Buffett, Jimmy) - 4:13 12. Just in Time (Bennett, Tony) - 2:32 13. Affair to Remember (Damone, Vic) - 2:46 From jitr-owner Tue Mar 2 14:02:40 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id OAA20559 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:02:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.adinet.com.uy (mail.adinet.com.uy [206.99.44.235]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id OAA20555 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:02:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from tango.uruguaynet.com.uy (r243-30.adinet.com.uy [207.50.243.30]) by mail.adinet.com.uy (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA18316 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 19:01:58 -0300 (GMT) Message-ID: <005a01be64f8$a9e3d3e0$1ef332cf@tango.uruguaynet.com.uy> From: "Gustavo" To: Subject: Sinead's bubble gum Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:55:23 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ HI, I'm here just to share a silly thing on Sinead. I found on a marketplace a 'compact disc bubble gum'. It's 1.5 oz of bubble cd in a cd case with cd sleeve, etc. Really fun. Got a lot of artists. Of course I choose the one with our great lady but with a nickname: ''SHE NEEDS hair O'CONNER''. The tracks are: 'No gum in my hair', 'Nothing compares to chew', 'chew me up and spit me out', and many others. great for collectors! Don't miss it. just a joke bye guz From jitr-owner Wed Mar 3 03:42:49 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id DAA24523 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 03:42:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (wya-lfd113.hotmail.com [207.82.252.177]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id DAA24519 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 03:42:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 28255 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 1999 11:42:11 -0000 Message-ID: <19990303114211.28254.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.169.41.37 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Mar 1999 03:42:09 PST X-Originating-IP: [192.169.41.37] From: "kai chai" To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: factory girl interpretations Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 03:42:09 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ hi fellow jitr pple, some pple were speculating abt what the lyrics for 'factory girl' actually meant. hope this helps: according to the cd inlay of traditional songs of ireland -- one of sinead's top ten favourite albums of all time as listed in her 1997 Q interview -- this is what the song, as sung by itinerant folk singer magaret barry on banjo here in 1953, is abt: THE FACTORY GIRL Margaret Barry (with banjo), Dundalk, Co Louth 1953 Nowadays we think of factories as massive air-conditioned sheds, so we really have to clear our minds a bit to picture the more domestic style of the linen mills in Ulster, assisted as they were by local water power, local labour and low wages. In this song it is usually the man who boasts the money but the way Margaret sings it you can take it either way. She also managed to get a long ballad to only 3 verses. Anyway either one of them fortunately seems to have enough money to get him and his girl friend out of the place and away from the sound of the factory bell. ______ there is also another version (very different, not as keening) by another irish lady called sarah makem on the same CD too, but sinead fashioned hers after margaret barry's -- the difference lies in the fact that sinead changed the word "sporting" to "courting." _______ someone once asked abt the old man's whistling at the end of the gospel oak EP. i've posted this before, but for those who missed it, that tune is also taken from this particular CD. the song is called 'The Blackbird', and is sung by francis mckeon. here's what the inlay says: Two Hornpipes: THE BLACKBIRD & THE RIGHTS OF MAN Francis McKeon (diddling & whistling), Garrison, Co Fermanagh, 1952 We've included this as it was a particular favourite of my collaborator, Sean O Boyle, without whom most of these recordings would never have been made. After singing a song, Francis saw the machine was still running. In those days we didn't like to waste an inch of tape and I will long remember Sean's face in wonder. This was one of those unexpected moments you treasure. __________ now, guys, why do you think sinead choose to include that tune as a post-script to the gospel oak EP? that's all, folks, kai chai. ps. here's the necessary manufacturing/ordering details for the album if you're really interested: TRADITIONAL SONGS OF IRELAND Various -- featuring Margaret Barry, McPeakes, etc (Saydisc Records) 1995 CD-SDL 411 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jitr-owner Wed Mar 3 04:00:19 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id EAA24586 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 04:00:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from degas.telebyte.nl (root@degas.telebyte.nl [194.235.214.15]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id EAA24582 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 04:00:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from jarb (tc1-60.tc.telebyte.nl [194.235.222.189]) by degas.telebyte.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA15187 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:00:10 +0100 Message-ID: <002401be656d$6f6fef80$a0deebc2@jarb> From: "Mars-L" To: "Jitr-digest" Subject: Bootlegs FS again (THE LION IN THE CAGE) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:00:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello, Just received a few of the next bootlegs (Real ones, NOT cd-r's !!!!); - In The Name Of The Father (Brussels 1990) - Visions ( Holland/Italy 1995) Each $20 postage included AND................. - THE LION IN THE CAGE, first bootleg of Sinead, the rarest one Cost(ed) a little more; $40 postage included ! First come first serve. --- Mars-L ----------------------------------------------------------------- Co-editor of the Sinead O'Connor Mainpage http://www.sinead-oconnor.com Items for sale on; http://www.telebyte.nl/~bobbink/sales/sales.html --- bobbink@telebyte.nl ------------------------------------------- From jitr-owner Wed Mar 3 04:31:17 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id EAA24652 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 04:31:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from degas.telebyte.nl (root@degas.telebyte.nl [194.235.214.15]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id EAA24648 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 04:31:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from jarb (tc1-03.tc.telebyte.nl [194.235.222.132]) by degas.telebyte.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA17284 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:31:09 +0100 Message-ID: <006b01be6571$c376b880$a0deebc2@jarb> From: "Mars-L" To: "Jitr-digest" Subject: Dusty Springfield died Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:30:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello, Just got the message Dusty Springfield died yesterday. Sinead did sing with her on Jools Holland in 1995, "Where's a women to go". She died on breast cancer. --- Mars-L ----------------------------------------------------------------- Co-editor of the Sinead O'Connor Mainpage http://www.sinead-oconnor.com Items for sale on; http://www.telebyte.nl/~bobbink/sales/sales.html --- bobbink@telebyte.nl ------------------------------------------- From jitr-owner Wed Mar 3 07:30:45 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id HAA24934 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:30:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id HAA24930 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:30:37 -0800 (PST) From: Gogobooty3@aol.com Received: from Gogobooty3@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id mZAZa23612; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:29:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2b02a00b.36dd5546@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:29:10 EST To: bobbink@telebyte.nl, jitr@postmodern.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Dusty Springfield died Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 83 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ THIS IS SAD, SAD NEWS. Dusty was one cool go-go-boots-wearing singing chick...and she has influenced a lot people who came after her. (one of my faves, elvis costello, WORSHIPS her.) i have the "dusty in memphis" cd and she ROCKS...i need more. breast cancer is just plain evil. ---claudia From jitr-owner Wed Mar 3 11:22:07 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id LAA25604 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:22:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <003501be6592$f48f1180$618101d4@black.ncl.ac.uk> From: "Jo" To: , , Subject: breast cancer Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:28:27 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ funnily enough i just wrote to mars-l with the exact words breast cancer is vile it is terribly sad and such a f***ing waste **jo** >breast cancer is just plain evil. > >---claudia > From jitr-owner Wed Mar 3 11:53:56 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id LAA25805 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:53:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.adinet.com.uy (mail.adinet.com.uy [206.99.44.235]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id LAA25801 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:53:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from tango.uruguaynet.com.uy (r243-11.adinet.com.uy [207.50.243.11]) by mail.adinet.com.uy (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA18536 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:53:08 -0300 (GMT) Message-ID: <001001be65af$d65799e0$0bf332cf@tango.uruguaynet.com.uy> From: "Gustavo" To: Subject: is there anybody out there? Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:23:10 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Is JITR dying? Or this happends all the time? Where are you all? Nothing to share? Nothing to discuss? guz (alone) From jitr-owner Wed Mar 3 13:07:48 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id NAA26149 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:07:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id NAA26145 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:07:44 -0800 (PST) From: Gogobooty3@aol.com Received: from Gogobooty3@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id mHNUa10437 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:02:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <885c9c02.36dda35a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:02:18 EST To: jitr@postmodern.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: dusty's contributions Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 4 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ not only was ms dusty a cool-ass-gogoboots-wearing singer chick that almost everyone likes, she was also a very OUT integrationist. she embraced black music & black people in the 60s when it was NOT cool. she refused to play segregated shows in south africa. she was BRAVE and groovy. she had big hair & big eyelashes & a great voice. R*I*P* claudia From jitr-owner Wed Mar 3 14:36:19 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id OAA26450 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:36:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from front6.grolier.fr (front6.grolier.fr [194.158.96.56]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id OAA26441 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:36:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from bautin.club-internet.fr (ppp-169-97.villette.club-internet.fr [195.36.169.97]) by front6.grolier.fr (8.9.3/No_Relay+No_Spam_MGC990224) with SMTP id XAA26871 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 23:36:08 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <001b01be65c6$13225660$61a924c3@bautin.club-internet.fr> From: "Bruno AUTIN" To: "jitr" Subject: Re: Dusty Springfield died Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 23:33:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ I liked this show with Dusty and Sinead, it was very good. It's a a very sad new. From jitr-owner Wed Mar 3 14:36:20 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id OAA26453 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:36:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from front6.grolier.fr (front6.grolier.fr [194.158.96.56]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id OAA26446 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:36:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from bautin.club-internet.fr (ppp-169-97.villette.club-internet.fr [195.36.169.97]) by front6.grolier.fr (8.9.3/No_Relay+No_Spam_MGC990224) with SMTP id XAA26845; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 23:36:05 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <001a01be65c6$11c1dc00$61a924c3@bautin.club-internet.fr> From: "Bruno AUTIN" To: "Mars-L" , "jitr" Subject: Re: Bootlegs FS again (THE LION IN THE CAGE) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 23:32:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ >- In The Name Of The Father (Brussels 1990) Are you sure it's of the Father ( I have "in the name of the Mother" ? From jitr-owner Wed Mar 3 15:13:01 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id PAA26638 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:13:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from degas.telebyte.nl (root@degas.telebyte.nl [194.235.214.15]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id PAA26634 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:12:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from jarb (tc1-30.tc.telebyte.nl [194.235.222.159]) by degas.telebyte.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA27278 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 00:12:51 +0100 Message-ID: <021901be65cb$6e2c0e20$9edeebc2@jarb> From: "Mars-L" To: "Jitr-digest" Subject: Mother/Father Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 00:13:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello, Ooopss I made a misstake; I mentioned having "In The Name Of The Father" for sale. Infact the title of the bootleg of Brussels 1990 (plus some studioo tracks to fill the cd) is entitled "In The Name Of The Mother" !!! --- Mars-L ----------------------------------------------------------------- Co-editor of the Sinead O'Connor Mainpage http://www.sinead-oconnor.com Items for sale on; http://www.telebyte.nl/~bobbink/sales/sales.html --- bobbink@telebyte.nl ------------------------------------------- From jitr-owner Wed Mar 3 17:23:55 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id RAA26999 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:23:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id RAA26995 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:23:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from cpq1nbv8 (207-172-255-227.s227.tnt2.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.255.227]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA21915; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 20:23:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004001be65de$50c6bf20$e3ffaccf@cpq1nbv8> From: "Ken Fitzpatrick" To: "JITR" , Subject: Re: dusty's contributions Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 20:28:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ I'm sorry to say all I really know about Dusty is that she sang that great 80's song "What have I done to deserve this" with the Pet Shop Boys!! How appropriate is that title!! Ken -----Original Message----- From: Gogobooty3@aol.com To: jitr@postmodern.com Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 4:11 PM Subject: dusty's contributions >not only was ms dusty a cool-ass-gogoboots-wearing singer chick that almost >everyone likes, she was also a very OUT integrationist. she embraced black >music & black people in the 60s when it was NOT cool. she refused to play >segregated shows in south africa. she was BRAVE and groovy. she had big hair & >big eyelashes & a great voice. > >R*I*P* > >claudia > From jitr-owner Thu Mar 4 01:24:58 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id BAA01325 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 01:24:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from exchange.rotarywatches.com ([193.133.137.242]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id BAA01321 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 01:24:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by mailhost.rotarywatches.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:22:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20204F99FE6FD211BA3A0060085CF48E034CB4@mailhost.rotarywatches.com> From: Mandy Green To: "'jitr@postmodern.com'" Subject: Message for Jo Semlyen Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:22:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Sorry to use JITR - delete/ignore unless you're Jo ;-) Jo - mail me: I've lost your email address D'oh!! Mandy From jitr-owner Thu Mar 4 02:39:35 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id CAA01516 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 02:39:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk (sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk [195.7.224.43]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id CAA01512 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 02:39:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from 195.7.227.137 (th-pm04-09.ndirect.co.uk [195.7.227.137]) by sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id KAA28380 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:39:24 GMT Message-ID: <36DE6110.428B@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 10:31:43 +0000 From: Ross Reply-To: spartacus@ndirect.co.uk X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: That groove thang... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Mars-L wrote: > > Hello, > > >Correction to eduard > >Subject: 7" and 12" > >To add a little on the 7" or 12" discussion. > >Because a 12" is much bigger than a single the quality of the recording is > >better than on a 7". > > Big BS !!!! > A bigger also doesn't taste better then a small one. > A bigger **** doesn't **** better then a small one (censorred sorry) > And a 5" cd also doesn't sound better then a 3" one. > I've been thinking about this one and I think that Eduard is probably correct. By increasing the groove width and depth as well ( I'm pretty sure the groove has a V-shaped profile ) you would create a greater surface area for the stylus to contact. It would permit greater oscillation and thus a wider dynamic range. Mars-L is correct about the length being the same but the greater surface area fulfils the same criteria as greater length ( speed); possibly even better as a shallow groove at higher speed would be much more likely to make the stylus jump than a deep groove at the same speed. I don't *know* about this but it seems likely. I know that the stylus vibrates and that suggests that a greater range of vibration gives a greater possible dynamic range as well as a better signal to noise ratio. The larger surface area gives the possibility of smaller and larger vibrations being reproduced. Look mother, I've invented the wheel! Regards, Ross From jitr-owner Thu Mar 4 08:02:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id IAA01995 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:02:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from maildns.FSBDial.co.uk (maildns.fsbdial.co.uk [195.89.137.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id IAA01991 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:02:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [212.1.139.37] by maildns.freenet.co.uk (NTMail 4.20.0009/NT0619.00.8ceac940) with ESMTP id gcrdcaaa for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:58:57 +0000 Message-ID: <005701be6658$3411f5a0$5f8b01d4@black.ncl.ac.uk> From: "Jo" To: "Mandy Green" , Subject: Re: Similarities Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:01:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ who? ;-)) **jo** -----Original Message----- From: Mandy Green To: 'newskria@horiz.com.br' ; Sinead Mailing list Cc: Johnnie J. Young Date: 16 February 1999 09:35 Subject: Similarities I think Sinead with longer hair - a la Gospel Oak tour - gives her a stunning resemblance to Anne Parillaud...anyone else agree?? Mandy From jitr-owner Thu Mar 4 09:40:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id JAA02346 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:40:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.adinet.com.uy (mail.adinet.com.uy [206.99.44.235]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id JAA02342 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:39:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from tango.uruguaynet.com.uy (r243-6.adinet.com.uy [207.50.243.6]) by mail.adinet.com.uy (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA29364; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:39:21 -0300 (GMT) Message-ID: <00d701be6666$522b0140$06f332cf@tango.uruguaynet.com.uy> From: "Gustavo" To: , "Mars-L" Subject: RE: Hello.....JITR didn't die Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:35:23 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ I did not liked to see my stupid messagge about my dismay with no posts on JITR together with those sad mails on Dusty Springfield. Sorry if I disturb anyone. I just wanted to know why we were so quiet on that day. Cancer is so unfair... It's strange and sad that a human being body's just decide to commit that, that is a kind of suicide. guz From jitr-owner Thu Mar 4 09:43:02 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id JAA02402 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:43:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from front2.grolier.fr (front2.grolier.fr [194.158.96.52]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id JAA02398 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:42:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from bautin.club-internet.fr (ppp-171-211.villette.club-internet.fr [195.36.171.211]) by front2.grolier.fr (8.9.3/No_Relay+No_Spam_MGC990224) with SMTP id SAA18095; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:42:31 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <001e01be6666$3c0f8520$d3ab24c3@bautin.club-internet.fr> From: "Bruno AUTIN" To: "Jo" , "Mandy Green" , Subject: Re: Similarities Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:41:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Anne Pirillaud is a french actress, she was Luc Besson's wife. She played in NIKITA (the original french movie, not the US version) -----Message d'origine----- De : Jo À : Mandy Green ; jitr@server.postmodern.com Date : jeudi 4 mars 1999 17:04 Objet : Re: Similarities >who? ;-)) >**jo** >-----Original Message----- >From: Mandy Green >To: 'newskria@horiz.com.br' ; Sinead Mailing list > >Cc: Johnnie J. Young >Date: 16 February 1999 09:35 >Subject: Similarities > > >I think Sinead with longer hair - a la Gospel Oak tour - gives her a >stunning resemblance to Anne Parillaud...anyone else agree?? >Mandy > > > > From jitr-owner Thu Mar 4 09:57:48 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id JAA02508 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:57:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from maildns.FSBDial.co.uk (maildns.fsbdial.co.uk [195.89.137.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id JAA02504 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:57:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from [212.1.137.100] by maildns.freenet.co.uk (NTMail 4.20.0009/NT0619.00.8ceac940) with ESMTP id vtudcaaa for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:54:51 +0000 Message-ID: <002501be6668$639391c0$648901d4@black.ncl.ac.uk> From: "Jo" To: "Bruno AUTIN" , "Mandy Green" , Subject: Re: Similarities Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:56:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ merci bruno so not the star of la femme nikita a tv series we have on uk tv? **jo** -----Original Message----- From: Bruno AUTIN To: Jo ; Mandy Green ; jitr@server.postmodern.com Date: 04 March 1999 17:51 Subject: Re: Similarities Anne Pirillaud is a french actress, she was Luc Besson's wife. She played in NIKITA (the original french movie, not the US version) -----Message d'origine----- De : Jo À : Mandy Green ; jitr@server.postmodern.com Date : jeudi 4 mars 1999 17:04 Objet : Re: Similarities >who? ;-)) >**jo** >-----Original Message----- >From: Mandy Green >To: 'newskria@horiz.com.br' ; Sinead Mailing list > >Cc: Johnnie J. Young >Date: 16 February 1999 09:35 >Subject: Similarities > > >I think Sinead with longer hair - a la Gospel Oak tour - gives her a >stunning resemblance to Anne Parillaud...anyone else agree?? >Mandy > > > > From jitr-owner Thu Mar 4 11:36:17 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id LAA03029 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:36:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from front2.grolier.fr (front2.grolier.fr [194.158.96.52]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id LAA03025 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:36:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from bautin.club-internet.fr (ppp-107-60.villette.club-internet.fr [194.158.107.60]) by front2.grolier.fr (8.9.3/No_Relay+No_Spam_MGC990224) with SMTP id UAA11839; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 20:29:14 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <001701be6675$23f33220$3c6b9ec2@bautin.club-internet.fr> From: "Bruno AUTIN" To: "Jo" , "Mandy Green" , Subject: Re: Similarities Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 20:28:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ No she played only on movie "Cinema" -----Message d'origine----- De : Jo À : Bruno AUTIN ; Mandy Green ; jitr@server.postmodern.com Date : jeudi 4 mars 1999 18:59 Objet : Re: Similarities >merci bruno >so not the star of la femme nikita a tv series we have on uk tv? >**jo** > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bruno AUTIN >To: Jo ; Mandy Green ; >jitr@server.postmodern.com >Date: 04 March 1999 17:51 >Subject: Re: Similarities > > >Anne Pirillaud is a french actress, she was Luc Besson's wife. She played in >NIKITA (the original french movie, not the US version) >-----Message d'origine----- >De : Jo >À : Mandy Green ; jitr@server.postmodern.com > >Date : jeudi 4 mars 1999 17:04 >Objet : Re: Similarities > > >>who? ;-)) >>**jo** >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Mandy Green >>To: 'newskria@horiz.com.br' ; Sinead Mailing list >> >>Cc: Johnnie J. Young >>Date: 16 February 1999 09:35 >>Subject: Similarities >> >> >>I think Sinead with longer hair - a la Gospel Oak tour - gives her a >>stunning resemblance to Anne Parillaud...anyone else agree?? >>Mandy >> >> >> >> > > > > > From jitr-owner Thu Mar 4 20:03:27 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id UAA04226 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 20:03:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (f78.hotmail.com [207.82.250.184]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id UAA04222 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 20:03:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4654 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 1999 04:02:52 -0000 Message-ID: <19990305040252.4653.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 134.134.248.18 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 Mar 1999 20:02:52 PST X-Originating-IP: [134.134.248.18] From: "jay millet" To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: RE: cancer Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 20:02:52 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Yes it is sad, and it happens to many other creatures other than humans, and what is worse is that it has been dramatically increased by humans. I will stop there. Its all chemistry. Jay >I did not liked to see my stupid messagge about my dismay with no posts on >JITR together with those sad mails on Dusty Springfield. Sorry if I disturb >anyone. I just wanted to know why we were so quiet on that day. > >Cancer is so unfair... It's strange and sad that a human being body's just >decide to commit that, that is a kind of suicide. > >guz > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jitr-owner Thu Mar 4 20:03:52 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id UAA04263 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 20:03:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (f252.hotmail.com [207.82.251.143]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id UAA04259 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 20:03:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 22651 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 1999 04:03:18 -0000 Message-ID: <19990305040318.22650.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 134.134.248.18 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 Mar 1999 20:03:18 PST X-Originating-IP: [134.134.248.18] From: "jay millet" To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Re: That groove thang... Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 20:03:18 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ If in deed there is a difference in the two, i would give great confidence in saying that the human ear can not distinguish the sound difference between the 7" and the 12" - provided that they are both taken care of equally well. - placebo effect. Jay - neuroscience student >Mars-L wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> >Correction to eduard >> >Subject: 7" and 12" >> >To add a little on the 7" or 12" discussion. >> >Because a 12" is much bigger than a single the quality of the recording is >> >better than on a 7". >> >> Big BS !!!! >> A bigger also doesn't taste better then a small one. >> A bigger **** doesn't **** better then a small one (censorred sorry) >> And a 5" cd also doesn't sound better then a 3" one. >> > >I've been thinking about this one and I think that Eduard is probably >correct. By increasing the groove width and depth as well ( I'm pretty >sure the groove has a V-shaped profile ) you would create a greater >surface area for the stylus to contact. It would permit greater >oscillation and thus a wider dynamic range. Mars-L is correct about the >length being the same but the greater surface area fulfils the same >criteria as greater length ( speed); possibly even better as a shallow >groove at higher speed would be much more likely to make the stylus jump >than a deep groove at the same speed. > >I don't *know* about this but it seems likely. I know that the stylus >vibrates and that suggests that a greater range of vibration gives a >greater possible dynamic range as well as a better signal to noise >ratio. The larger surface area gives the possibility of smaller and >larger vibrations being reproduced. > >Look mother, I've invented the wheel! > > >Regards, > >Ross > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jitr-owner Fri Mar 5 00:44:25 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id AAA06625 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 00:44:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from exchange.rotarywatches.com ([193.133.137.242]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id AAA06621 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 00:44:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by mailhost.rotarywatches.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 08:41:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20204F99FE6FD211BA3A0060085CF48E034CC7@mailhost.rotarywatches.com> From: Mandy Green To: "'Jo'" , Bruno AUTIN , Mandy Green , jitr@server.postmodern.com Subject: RE: Similarities Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 08:41:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ La Femme Nikita was the french title of the Luc Besson movie - when it got a UK release they renamed it simply Nikita: either way it is the gorgeous Anne Parillaud to whom I'm comparing Sinead and not the blonde who played the TV part...confused? ;-))))))))))))))) BTW, does anyone else agree with me ? Mandy -----Original Message----- From: Jo [SMTP:josemlyen@bigfoot.com] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 5:56 PM To: Bruno AUTIN; Mandy Green; jitr@server.postmodern.com Subject: Re: Similarities merci bruno so not the star of la femme nikita a tv series we have on uk tv? **jo** -----Original Message----- From: Bruno AUTIN To: Jo ; Mandy Green ; jitr@server.postmodern.com Date: 04 March 1999 17:51 Subject: Re: Similarities Anne Pirillaud is a french actress, she was Luc Besson's wife. She played in NIKITA (the original french movie, not the US version) -----Message d'origine----- De : Jo =C0 : Mandy Green ; = jitr@server.postmodern.com Date : jeudi 4 mars 1999 17:04 Objet : Re: Similarities >who? ;-)) >**jo** >-----Original Message----- >From: Mandy Green >To: 'newskria@horiz.com.br' ; Sinead Mailing list > >Cc: Johnnie J. Young >Date: 16 February 1999 09:35 >Subject: Similarities > > >I think Sinead with longer hair - a la Gospel Oak tour - gives her a >stunning resemblance to Anne Parillaud...anyone else agree?? >Mandy > > > > From jitr-owner Fri Mar 5 01:24:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id BAA06765 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 01:24:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from satie.u-bourgogne.fr (satie.u-bourgogne.fr [192.134.59.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id BAA06761 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 01:24:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from [193.52.250.226] (termite.u-bourgogne.fr [193.52.250.226]) by satie.u-bourgogne.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA94934 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:24:05 +0100 X-Sender: csophie@satie.u-bourgogne.fr Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20204F99FE6FD211BA3A0060085CF48E034CC7@mailhost.rotarywatches.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:28:30 +0100 To: jitr@server.postmodern.com From: Sophie Connetable Subject: RE: Similarities Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ >La Femme Nikita was the french title of the Luc Besson movie - when it >got a UK release they renamed it simply Nikita: either way it is the >gorgeous Anne Parillaud to whom I'm comparing Sinead and not the blonde >who played the TV part...confused? ;-))))))))))))))) >BTW, does anyone else agree with me ? >Mandy > Mandy, the original french title was just 'Nikita' and maybe they renamed it before releasing the film in foreign countries....and then went back to the original name ! I never thought about the similarity between Anne Parillaud and Sinead before... Have to watch a picture of her (I mean Anne Parillaud, not Sinead ;o)) .... A bientot Sophie From jitr-owner Fri Mar 5 02:08:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id CAA06934 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 02:08:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk (sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk [195.7.224.43]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id CAA06930 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 02:08:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from 195.7.227.168 (th-pm04-40.ndirect.co.uk [195.7.227.168]) by sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id KAA19331 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:08:41 GMT Message-ID: <36DFA03D.6FD4@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 09:13:33 +0000 From: Ross Reply-To: spartacus@ndirect.co.uk X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Re: That groove thang... References: <19990305035944.11184.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ jay millet wrote: > > If in deed there is a difference in the two, i would give great > confidence in saying that the human ear can not distinguish the sound > difference between the 7" and the 12" - provided that they are both > taken care of equally well. - placebo effect. > > Jay - neuroscience student > If, as seems likely, there is a physical difference betweeen the two then the human ear is quite capable of distinguishing the difference. Might I suggest a trip to your university's recording studio and ask them to demonstrate the effects of compression and limiting. This should give you a practical demonstration of how the ear interprets differences in dynamics. A hard-limited sound can be extremely strange to our ears. You can have a singer belting out the loud parts of a song as hard as they can and yet the volume doesn't change from the quieter notes in the same phrase. The tone is that of a loud note but the difference in volume isn't. The human brain knows what it should sound like and notes the difference. Compression almost universally is used as a means of 'smoothing' a sound and can be easily identified unless is it used very subtly. Every recording studio in the world uses this type of equipment: are they all deluded? I have heard it said that Sinead will not allow compression to be used on her voice and can instantly identify it if an engineer tries to use it. Similarly, if a recording medium or the process of mastering inflicts some changes on the dynamics of a recording it is quite possible that people with some musical sensitivity will note the difference even if they don't quite know what it is they are hearing. A really good sound engineer can listen to a recording and identify the processes used in making it. What you hear on any recording is not what was played, it is a (hopefully) musical interpretation of what the mastering engineer hears. It will also take account of the different media used to record onto and the physical limitations of the same. For example, a C.D. recording is made from a different master than one on vinyl. If actually they can squeeze a greater dynamic range by increasing the size of the groove then I *know* that a mastering engineer will do just that. As a famous mastering engineer once said, " O.K., you recorded some tracks- now let's make a record". Regards, Ross From jitr-owner Fri Mar 5 03:07:56 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id DAA07103 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 03:07:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from proxy1.gov.za (proxy1.gov.za [163.195.1.52]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id DAA07099 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 03:07:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwves.x-link.ml.org ([163.195.36.11] helo=pwves.x-link.za.net) by proxy1.gov.za with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #1) for jitr@postmodern.com id 10IsSC-0005J1-00; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:07:40 +0200 Received: from dwaf.pwv.gov.za ([172.18.68.9]) by pwves.x-link.za.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01057 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:05:44 +0200 (SAST) Received: by dwaf.pwv.gov.za with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:46:10 +0200 Message-ID: <618CE6B959AFD111A86E0008C728C581AB04A4@dwaf.pwv.gov.za> From: Van Zyl Michelle To: "'jitr'" Subject: Want to know Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:46:03 +0200 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hi, How many articles are there written about Sinead O'Connor in your country? The only news I get from her is on the internet. Nearly nothing is ever written about her/her music (in South Africa) and that irritates me. I have only recently heard about other songs of her that was released years ago. One evening she appeared on SESSIONS AT WEST 54TH (it was the third time a saw her on television - the other 2 times it was her singing "Nothing compares 2 U and This is 2 mother U). She sang a song on SESSIONS that I haven't heard before (English man - I am not sure if that is the title of the song). Does anyone know it and knows if it is available on cd (if it is it isn't available in South Africa). I read the mail about Dusty Springfield that died of cancer. I don't even know who she was. What songs did she sing? I have never heard of her before. (If there is any other South Africans from jitr that thinks that I am looking in the wrong places, you can send me mail and tell me where to look - I am sure that you feel the same way I do.) Michelle van Zyl From jitr-owner Fri Mar 5 04:36:41 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id EAA07242 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 04:36:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from front4.grolier.fr (front4.grolier.fr [194.158.96.54]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id EAA07238 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 04:36:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from bautin.club-internet.fr (ppp-160-1.villette.club-internet.fr [195.36.160.1]) by front4.grolier.fr (8.9.3/No_Relay+No_Spam_MGC990224) with SMTP id NAA04856; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:36:30 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <001001be6704$aa22f3a0$01a024c3@bautin.club-internet.fr> From: "Bruno AUTIN" To: , "Sophie Connetable" Subject: Re: Similarities Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:35:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ The new sinead song will be " NIKITITA" ;-)) "Nikitita tell me what's wrong..." -----Message d'origine----- De : Sophie Connetable À : jitr@server.postmodern.com Date : vendredi 5 mars 1999 10:25 Objet : RE: Similarities >>La Femme Nikita was the french title of the Luc Besson movie - when it >>got a UK release they renamed it simply Nikita: either way it is the >>gorgeous Anne Parillaud to whom I'm comparing Sinead and not the blonde >>who played the TV part...confused? ;-))))))))))))))) >>BTW, does anyone else agree with me ? >>Mandy >> > >Mandy, the original french title was just 'Nikita' and maybe they renamed >it before releasing the film in foreign countries....and then went back to >the original name ! >I never thought about the similarity between Anne Parillaud and Sinead >before... Have to watch a picture of her (I mean Anne Parillaud, not Sinead >;o)) .... >A bientot >Sophie > > > From jitr-owner Fri Mar 5 05:04:00 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id FAA07364 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 05:04:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.adinet.com.uy (mail.adinet.com.uy [206.99.44.235]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id FAA07360 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 05:03:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from tango.uruguaynet.com.uy (r42-168.uruguay.net.uy [200.2.42.168]) by mail.adinet.com.uy (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA18785 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:03:20 -0300 (GMT) Message-ID: <004901be6708$ef67a920$a82a02c8@tango.uruguaynet.com.uy> From: "Gustavo" To: Subject: Sinead on butcher boy? Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:58:42 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ No one have idea of what Sinead thinks of the Butcher boy. I saw the film and... was hard to fix Sinead with the film concept. No one have an idea of what she thinks? Kai? Marcel? mmmmm? From jitr-owner Fri Mar 5 06:11:11 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id GAA07482 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 06:11:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from exchange.rotarywatches.com ([193.133.137.242]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id GAA07478 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 06:11:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by mailhost.rotarywatches.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:08:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20204F99FE6FD211BA3A0060085CF48E034CCF@mailhost.rotarywatches.com> From: Mandy Green To: "'Bruno AUTIN'" , jitr@server.postmodern.com, Sophie Connetable Subject: RE: Similarities Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:08:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Heh heh heh - tres drole, Bruno ;-) Mandy -----Original Message----- From: Bruno AUTIN [SMTP:bautin@club-internet.fr] Sent: Friday, March 05, 1999 12:35 PM To: jitr@server.postmodern.com; Sophie Connetable Subject: Re: Similarities The new sinead song will be " NIKITITA" ;-)) "Nikitita tell me what's wrong..." -----Message d'origine----- De : Sophie Connetable =C0 : jitr@server.postmodern.com Date : vendredi 5 mars 1999 10:25 Objet : RE: Similarities >>La Femme Nikita was the french title of the Luc Besson movie - when = it >>got a UK release they renamed it simply Nikita: either way it is the >>gorgeous Anne Parillaud to whom I'm comparing Sinead and not the blonde >>who played the TV part...confused? ;-))))))))))))))) >>BTW, does anyone else agree with me ? >>Mandy >> > >Mandy, the original french title was just 'Nikita' and maybe they renamed >it before releasing the film in foreign countries....and then went = back to >the original name ! >I never thought about the similarity between Anne Parillaud and Sinead >before... Have to watch a picture of her (I mean Anne Parillaud, not Sinead >;o)) .... >A bientot >Sophie > > > From jitr-owner Fri Mar 5 08:21:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id IAA07813 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 08:21:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.minn.net (root@mail.minn.net [208.16.88.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id IAA07809 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 08:21:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from h1165 (tc-2-12.dynamic.minn.net [216.177.135.140]) by mail.minn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA11174 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:21:41 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.minn.net: Host tc-2-12.dynamic.minn.net [216.177.135.140] claimed to be h1165 From: "Rob & Holli Marshall" To: "'Jitr'" Subject: To all old time jitr members: Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:20:09 -0600 Message-ID: <000c01be6724$0e276920$8c87b1d8@h1165> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello... Remember when Mars and I were considered Queen and King Sinead Fans... or something like that???? I couldn't believe this when I saw this message about Nikitita!!!! That is our first dog's name!!! WOW!!! In Solidarity, Holli Marshall http://www1.minn.net/~hmm "I hit my head on the cross bar and the pain was enough to make a shy bald buddist reflect and plan a mass murder..." -----Original Message----- From: owner-jitr@postmodern.com [mailto:owner-jitr@postmodern.com] On Behalf Of Bruno AUTIN Sent: Friday, March 05, 1999 6:35 AM To: jitr@server.postmodern.com; Sophie Connetable Subject: Re: Similarities The new sinead song will be " NIKITITA" ;-)) "Nikitita tell me what's wrong..." -----Message d'origine----- De : Sophie Connetable À : jitr@server.postmodern.com Date : vendredi 5 mars 1999 10:25 Objet : RE: Similarities >>La Femme Nikita was the french title of the Luc Besson movie - when it >>got a UK release they renamed it simply Nikita: either way it is the >>gorgeous Anne Parillaud to whom I'm comparing Sinead and not the blonde >>who played the TV part...confused? ;-))))))))))))))) >>BTW, does anyone else agree with me ? >>Mandy >> > >Mandy, the original french title was just 'Nikita' and maybe they renamed >it before releasing the film in foreign countries....and then went back to >the original name ! >I never thought about the similarity between Anne Parillaud and Sinead >before... Have to watch a picture of her (I mean Anne Parillaud, not Sinead >;o)) .... >A bientot >Sophie > > > From jitr-owner Fri Mar 5 08:37:44 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id IAA07883 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 08:37:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from satie.u-bourgogne.fr (satie.u-bourgogne.fr [192.134.59.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id IAA07879 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 08:37:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from [193.52.250.226] (termite.u-bourgogne.fr [193.52.250.226]) by satie.u-bourgogne.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA34552; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 17:37:28 +0100 X-Sender: csophie@satie.u-bourgogne.fr Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000c01be6724$0e276920$8c87b1d8@h1165> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 17:41:53 +0100 To: "Rob & Holli Marshall" , jitr@server.postmodern.com From: Sophie Connetable Subject: Re: To all old time jitr members THE LIST !!!!! Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hi Holli and all :o)) Of course, Holli you're definitely the best :o)) Weren't you already the one who had a dog named "Mandinka" ???? ;o)) So that would be number 34 : you had a dog named "Nikitita" For new jitr members, there was a list going on about the "ways to tell you are a Sinead fan" Here are the last results : X-Sender: csophie@satie.u-bourgogne.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 13:44:52 +0200 To: jitr@server.postmodern.com From: Sophie Connetable Subject: Sinead Fandom Award Ceremony Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com Hi all Today is the day of the awards : He's back and he's got the sense of humour. From Mars-L : 24 You're a Sinead fan when; you are asking to get flamed just to unsubscribe with a message-title "Last Day Of Our Acquaintance". Don't you all think he deserves to be decorated "Knight of the Sinead Fandom" ? And Holli should also get an award for being the one who actually did most of the things on this list. Sophie <--- full of admiration for Mars-L and Holli >>Here is the list: You are a REAL Sinead fan if : >>1 You had your head shaved even if you look horrible without hair 2 You >>only fall in love with persons named John 3 You called your favourite pet >>Mandinka though you still don't know what it really refers to >>4 You own a huge collection of the Pope's picture so that you can rip one >>every day (OK I'm not especially proud of this one....) 5 You can sing >>Famine backwards (couldn't find a harder song to sing backwards....) >>6 You went to London just to have your picture taken in front of the sign >>'Gospel Oak' >>7 You refuse to go to any place where a national anthem is played 8 You >>refuse to take part in this stupid game just in case Sinead reads the list >>9 You have a nose screw, but went out the other day to get a gold one >>like she has. >>10 Since you were not sure of the side (remember that silly discussion we >>had a few months ago ?) you had both sides of your nose pierced 11. You >>wear a T-shirt with Charles Barkley on it and hope someone mistakes it >>for Sinead >>12. You taught your 2 years old baby how to lipsynch with Jake in Am I >>human ? (and get a double point if english is not his mother tongue) 13. If Sinead said jump in the river you would, cause it would probably be a good idea >>14 You went out and bought a Recovering Catholic t-shirt after she >>appeared in one in Rolling Stone in 1992. >>15 You found a picture of a barefoot Sinead and you counted her toes to >>make sure she had five on each foot, ten total--just like you! >16 You buy an vinyl 7", although you don't have a record player and don't >intent to buy one ever, containing an edit of a song of which you already >own the album-version and man others but stopped listening to after the >first time because you hate the song and still haven't found Sinead's >voice in it. 17. Since you didn't know where she was playing on 28 june 1998, you bought a ticket for the San Jose concert AND one the Phoenix concert. 18 When a friend calls you at 1 in the morning just to tell you that they just played two Sinead songs in the bar where he is having a drink 19 You keep hearing her name everywhere (even in a Will Smith's song) 20 You go to see the end of violence and stay through the entire credits because that's the only time you hear her voice-- and you get such a kick out of hearing it played loud and in public. 21 If you bought Adidas gear after seeing Sinead wear it. 22 You call someone to Sinead by a mistake 23 You went to see Evita with your friends just to tell them every five minutes how better it would have been with Sinead 25: You actually write down all the factoids in pop-up video for Sinead songs... 33: You know what the latest number in this list is. From jitr-owner Fri Mar 5 11:33:29 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id LAA08585 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:33:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.adinet.com.uy (mail.adinet.com.uy [206.99.44.235]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id LAA08581 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:33:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from tango.uruguaynet.com.uy (r42-137.uruguay.net.uy [200.2.42.137]) by mail.adinet.com.uy (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA26647 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:32:41 -0300 (GMT) Message-ID: <000001be673f$55fb84a0$892a02c8@tango.uruguaynet.com.uy> From: "Gustavo" To: Subject: RV: Hello.....JITR didn't die Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:30:11 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ HI +AD4APg-Yes it is sad, and it happens to many other creatures other than humans, yes, it's true. +AD4APg-and what is worse is that it has been dramatically increased by humans. That's beacuse we have some habits that are suicidal. Anyway, CARPE DIEM. +AD4APg-I will stop there. Its all chemistry. ...Also this mail. Life is amazing. And death too. GUZ From jitr-owner Fri Mar 5 16:03:07 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id QAA09355 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:03:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.adinet.com.uy (mail.adinet.com.uy [206.99.44.235]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id QAA09351 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:02:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from tango.uruguaynet.com.uy (r42-130.uruguay.net.uy [200.2.42.130]) by mail.adinet.com.uy (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA06000 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 20:59:41 -0300 (GMT) Message-ID: <000601be6764$9f8a8b00$822a02c8@tango.uruguaynet.com.uy> From: "Gustavo" To: Subject: 'Fire on Babylon' like 'army of you'? Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 20:55:12 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ don't u think that Fire on Babylon and Army of you (bjork's) are similar? the sounds, the rythm... what do you think? From jitr-owner Fri Mar 5 16:34:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id QAA09420 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:34:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.ethergate.com (newbox.teleport.com [192.108.254.37]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id QAA09415 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:34:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 10068 invoked from network); 6 Mar 1999 00:34:03 -0000 Received: from i48-01-19.pool.ethergate.net (HELO ethergate.com) (216.26.9.83) by newbox.teleport.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 1999 00:34:03 -0000 Message-ID: <36E076D0.25A841EE@ethergate.com> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 16:29:04 -0800 From: Rick Schmidt Reply-To: ricks@ethergate.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Re: That groove thang... References: <19990305035944.11184.qmail@hotmail.com> <36DFA03D.6FD4@ndirect.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ As I long time audiophile I would have to agree that we can indeed hear the difference (as Ross wrote). I think any person could be taught to hear it - most people don't listen attentively to the *sounds* even if they do listen attentively to the music. As for the original question (33 RPM 12 inch vinyl vs 7 inch at 45 RPM) its sort of a wash in that the greater speed of the 45 makes up for the narrower grooves (somebody said this). My gut feel is that the 12 inchers will tend to do better. Often there will be some manufacturing issues on a given pressing that will outway such things so its a bit of hit and miss. Rick > jay millet wrote: > > > > If in deed there is a difference in the two, i would give great > > confidence in saying that the human ear can not distinguish the sound > > difference between the 7" and the 12" - provided that they are both > > taken care of equally well. - placebo effect. > > > > Jay - neuroscience student > > > > If, as seems likely, there is a physical difference betweeen the two > then the human ear is quite capable of distinguishing the difference. > Might I suggest a trip to your university's recording studio and ask > them to demonstrate the effects of compression and limiting. This should > give you a practical demonstration of how the ear interprets differences > in dynamics. > > A hard-limited sound can be extremely strange to our ears. You can have > a singer belting out the loud parts of a song as hard as they can and > yet the volume doesn't change from the quieter notes in the same > phrase. The tone is that of a loud note but the difference in volume > isn't. The human brain knows what it should sound like and notes the > difference. > > Compression almost universally is used as a means of 'smoothing' a sound > and can be easily identified unless is it used very subtly. Every > recording studio in the world uses this type of equipment: are they all > deluded? I have heard it said that Sinead will not allow compression to > be used on her voice and can instantly identify it if an engineer tries > to use it. > > Similarly, if a recording medium or the process of mastering inflicts > some changes on the dynamics of a recording it is quite possible that > people with some musical sensitivity will note the difference even if > they don't quite know what it is they are hearing. A really good sound > engineer can listen to a recording and identify the processes used in > making it. > > What you hear on any recording is not what was played, it is a > (hopefully) musical interpretation of what the mastering engineer > hears. It will also take account of the different media used to record > onto and the physical limitations of the same. For example, a C.D. > recording is made from a different master than one on vinyl. If actually > they can squeeze a greater dynamic range by increasing the size of the > groove then I *know* that a mastering engineer will do just that. > > As a famous mastering engineer once said, " O.K., you recorded some > tracks- now let's make a record". > > Regards, > > Ross From jitr-owner Fri Mar 5 17:29:12 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id RAA09576 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 17:29:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id RAA09572 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 17:29:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from cpq1nbv8 (209-122-233-152.s152.tnt5.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.233.152]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA29630 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 20:32:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001701be6770$d9b88820$98e97ad1@cpq1nbv8> From: "Ken Fitzpatrick" To: "JITR" Subject: Fw: That groove thang... Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 20:29:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Unfortunately I am more of a CD fan myself and don't really care what the sound quality is like for the 7" or 12" vinyl. The reason I purchase them in most cases in for the artwork and the nostalgia of it all. There nothing like listening to a vinyl record and actually moving the needle over. Maybe that's weird but since Cd came out and the age of digital recordings I have stopped worrying about the "snap, crackle and pop" factor. I still however, have a few item that I cannot get on CD so that is where my frustration comes in. Take for example The Colourfield" She 7". I listen to that a lot and although it is not a bad sound there would be nothing in the world that would please me better than a nice digitally mastered CD copy of Monkey in Winter! Just a few thoughts!! Delete Ken -----Original Message----- From: Rick Schmidt To: jitr@postmodern.com Date: Friday, March 05, 1999 7:36 PM Subject: Re: That groove thang... > > >As I long time audiophile I would have to agree that we can indeed hear the >difference >(as Ross wrote). I think any person could be taught to hear it - most people >don't >listen attentively to the *sounds* even if they do listen attentively to the >music. >As for the original question (33 RPM 12 inch vinyl vs 7 inch at 45 RPM) its >sort >of a wash in that the greater speed of the 45 makes up for the narrower >grooves >(somebody said this). >My gut feel is that the 12 inchers will tend to do better. Often there will >be some >manufacturing issues on a given pressing that will outway such things so its >a bit of >hit and miss. > >Rick > > > >> jay millet wrote: >> > >> > If in deed there is a difference in the two, i would give great >> > confidence in saying that the human ear can not distinguish the sound >> > difference between the 7" and the 12" - provided that they are both >> > taken care of equally well. - placebo effect. >> > >> > Jay - neuroscience student >> > >> >> If, as seems likely, there is a physical difference betweeen the two >> then the human ear is quite capable of distinguishing the difference. >> Might I suggest a trip to your university's recording studio and ask >> them to demonstrate the effects of compression and limiting. This should >> give you a practical demonstration of how the ear interprets differences >> in dynamics. >> >> A hard-limited sound can be extremely strange to our ears. You can have >> a singer belting out the loud parts of a song as hard as they can and >> yet the volume doesn't change from the quieter notes in the same >> phrase. The tone is that of a loud note but the difference in volume >> isn't. The human brain knows what it should sound like and notes the >> difference. >> >> Compression almost universally is used as a means of 'smoothing' a sound >> and can be easily identified unless is it used very subtly. Every >> recording studio in the world uses this type of equipment: are they all >> deluded? I have heard it said that Sinead will not allow compression to >> be used on her voice and can instantly identify it if an engineer tries >> to use it. >> >> Similarly, if a recording medium or the process of mastering inflicts >> some changes on the dynamics of a recording it is quite possible that >> people with some musical sensitivity will note the difference even if >> they don't quite know what it is they are hearing. A really good sound >> engineer can listen to a recording and identify the processes used in >> making it. >> >> What you hear on any recording is not what was played, it is a >> (hopefully) musical interpretation of what the mastering engineer >> hears. It will also take account of the different media used to record >> onto and the physical limitations of the same. For example, a C.D. >> recording is made from a different master than one on vinyl. If actually >> they can squeeze a greater dynamic range by increasing the size of the >> groove then I *know* that a mastering engineer will do just that. >> >> As a famous mastering engineer once said, " O.K., you recorded some >> tracks- now let's make a record". >> >> Regards, >> >> Ross > > > From jitr-owner Sat Mar 6 03:28:08 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id DAA12719 for jitr-outgoing; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 03:28:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from degas.telebyte.nl (root@degas.telebyte.nl [194.235.214.15]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id DAA12715 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 03:28:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from jarb (tc1-37.tc.telebyte.nl [194.235.222.166]) by degas.telebyte.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA23001 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 12:27:57 +0100 Message-ID: <005101be67c4$5f133da0$a6deebc2@jarb> From: "Mars-L" To: "Jitr-digest" Subject: our girl in Butcher Boy Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 12:27:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello, >"Gustavo" wrote; >Subject: Sinead on butcher boy? >No one have idea of what Sinead thinks of the Butcher boy. I saw the film >and... was hard to fix Sinead with the film concept. >No one have an idea of what she thinks? Nope no idea. I even haven't taken the time to watch the movie sofar. --- Mars-L ----------------------------------------------------------------- Co-editor of the Sinead O'Connor Mainpage http://www.sinead-oconnor.com Items for sale on; http://www.telebyte.nl/~bobbink/sales/sales.html --- bobbink@telebyte.nl ------------------------------------------- From jitr-owner Sat Mar 6 08:02:45 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id IAA13300 for jitr-outgoing; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 08:02:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from duval.se.mediaone.net (duval.se.mediaone.net [24.129.0.67]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id IAA13296 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 08:02:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mediaone.net (surf3905.jacksonville.net [24.129.48.105]) by duval.se.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA09186 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 11:02:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36E15198.D94DA7AC@mediaone.net> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 11:02:33 -0500 From: John Clarke McManus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: fire on babylon & army of me Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ In response to the similarities of these 2 songs, I just wanted to say that I make mixed tapes for a hobby (with a cheap Radio Shack mixer, btw) and that is one of my favorite mixes. Army mixes in to Fire perfectly at one certain point when Sinead yells Fire On Babylon! and the beats stop. Everyone compliments me on it. I just thought I'd let you know that piece of unimportant information. hehe Peace. Clarke From jitr-owner Sat Mar 6 12:18:45 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id MAA13632 for jitr-outgoing; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 12:18:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from send102.yahoomail.com (send102.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.90]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id MAA13628 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 12:18:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19990306201934.12863.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Received: from [200.41.7.7] by send102.yahoomail.com; Sat, 06 Mar 1999 12:19:34 PST Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 12:19:34 -0800 (PST) From: lucia borjas Subject: I want ususcribe To: jitr@postmodern.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From jitr-owner Sat Mar 6 14:55:24 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id OAA14003 for jitr-outgoing; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:55:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.42]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id OAA13996 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:55:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from PC_icehouse.worldnet.att.net ([12.79.218.88]) by mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990306225446.IFVQ27343@PC_icehouse.worldnet.att.net>; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 22:54:46 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199903050900.BAA06726@server.postmodern.com> References: Conversation <199903050900.BAA06726@server.postmodern.com> with last message <199903050900.BAA06726@server.postmodern.com> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: jitr@postmodern.com, jitr-digest@server.postmodern.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "icehouse" Subject: cds for sale!! Date: Sat, 06 Mar 99 17:56:21 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Anyone who would like to see an attachment of my cds for sale. Just drop me a note. Thanks Gordon icehouse@worldnet.att.net From jitr-owner Sat Mar 6 14:55:37 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id OAA14043 for jitr-outgoing; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:55:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.42]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id OAA14035 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:55:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from PC_icehouse.worldnet.att.net ([12.79.218.88]) by mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990306225501.IFXB27343@PC_icehouse.worldnet.att.net>; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 22:55:01 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199903050900.BAA06726@server.postmodern.com> References: Conversation <199903050900.BAA06726@server.postmodern.com> with last message <199903050900.BAA06726@server.postmodern.com> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: jitr@postmodern.com, jitr-digest@server.postmodern.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "icehouse" Subject: Ungodly Kingdom CD Ep Date: Sat, 06 Mar 99 17:57:28 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ I have the above cd up for sale if someone wants to make a good offer or = make a bid Thanks so much Gordon From jitr-owner Sat Mar 6 17:08:25 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id RAA14327 for jitr-outgoing; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:08:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from send102.yahoomail.com (send102.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.90]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id RAA14323 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:08:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19990307010915.14550.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.78.56.119] by send102.yahoomail.com; Sat, 06 Mar 1999 17:09:15 PST Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:09:15 -0800 (PST) From: Jesseca Cornelson Subject: our girl in Butcher Boy To: jitr@postmodern.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ I've seent the movie, but have nothing to offer on Sinead's opinion of it. But I do have a question. :-) I know Sinead plays Our Lady, but in the credits, she's also listed as playing Maureen as well. It's been a month or two since I've seen it, maybe that's not the right name, but anyway, she played someone else, too, and I'm a bit ashamed to say I didn't recognize her. I tried to watch the movie again, and though I loved it the first time, it was late and i fell asleep. Had to return it to Blockbuster and have since been too busy and broke to rent it again. Anyways, can anyone enlighten me on the Maureen (?) character? jess _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From jitr-owner Sat Mar 6 17:09:32 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id RAA14367 for jitr-outgoing; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:09:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from send101.yahoomail.com (send101.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.87]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id RAA14363 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:09:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19990307010843.27766.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.78.56.119] by send101.yahoomail.com; Sat, 06 Mar 1999 17:08:43 PST Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:08:43 -0800 (PST) From: Jesseca Cornelson Subject: Re: our girl in the Butcher Boy To: jitr@postmodern.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ I've seent the movie, but have nothing to offer on Sinead's opinion of it. But I do have a question. :-) I know Sinead plays Our Lady, but in the credits, she's also listed as playing Maureen as well. It's been a month or two since I've seen it, maybe that's not the right name, but anyway, she played someone else, too, and I'm a bit ashamed to say I didn't recognize her. I tried to watch the movie again, and though I loved it the first time, it was late and i fell asleep. Had to return it to Blockbuster and have since been too busy and broke to rent it again. Anyways, can anyone enlighten me on the Maureen (?) character? jess _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From jitr-owner Sat Mar 6 17:23:01 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id RAA14415 for jitr-outgoing; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:23:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (f253.hotmail.com [207.82.251.144]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id RAA14411 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:22:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4504 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 1999 01:22:27 -0000 Message-ID: <19990307012227.4503.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.28.52.28 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 06 Mar 1999 17:22:27 PST X-Originating-IP: [208.28.52.28] From: "Wayne Riley" To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Re: 'Fire on Babylon' like 'army of you'? Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 17:22:27 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ I think you mean "Army of Me", not "You." But no, I don't really think they sound alike, but I love both songs. Wayne ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jitr-owner Sat Mar 6 19:13:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id TAA14606 for jitr-outgoing; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 19:13:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from send106.yahoomail.com (send106.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.43]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id TAA14602 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 19:13:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19990307031303.7470.rocketmail@send106.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.91.18.100] by send106.yahoomail.com; Sat, 06 Mar 1999 19:13:03 PST Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 19:13:03 -0800 (PST) From: Lion Cobra Reply-To: lion_cobra@yahoo.com Subject: I think someone should make.... To: jitr@postmodern.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hi TO ALL GRAPHICS PROS WHO USE ALL THOSE COOL GRAPHICS PROGRAMS (that sounded dumb)....anyways.... I think it's time that Sinead had her own desktop theme? what do ALL of you jumpers think??--if there is anyone interested in making this them for windows 95/98 please let me know I have a great plan....at least some ideas--anyone good at graphics and knows how to make this kind of thing let me know Thanks Lion == God commanded his angels concerning you To protect you in all your ways They will carry you up in their arms To keep your foot from striking a stone You will tread upon the lion and the cobra You will trample the great lion and serpent _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From jitr-owner Sat Mar 6 19:25:41 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id TAA14673 for jitr-outgoing; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 19:25:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id TAA14669 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 19:25:39 -0800 (PST) From: Gogobooty3@aol.com Received: from Gogobooty3@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id rXACa18774; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 22:23:51 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 22:23:51 EST To: jessecac@yahoo.com, jitr@postmodern.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: our girl in the Butcher Boy Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ i believe the name was "colleen" which is like saying "generic any girl" in ireland ("sheila" in australia & so on...) and i think colleen was the girl on the plaster house francie brought for his mum after he ran away. he came back and th mum was dead and the girl on the house spoke to him... --claudia From jitr-owner Sun Mar 7 01:20:05 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id BAA17604 for jitr-outgoing; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 01:20:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (wya-lfd95.hotmail.com [207.82.252.159]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id BAA17600 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 01:20:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 8868 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 1999 09:19:29 -0000 Message-ID: <19990307091929.8867.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.169.41.37 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 07 Mar 1999 01:19:28 PST X-Originating-IP: [192.169.41.37] From: "kai chai" To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Sinead on butcher boy? Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 01:19:28 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ hi guz, marcel, mandy, eduard & fellow jitr pple, sinead *has* indeed commented on the movie as well as her role several times, eg in the spin, irish times, the guardian. basically, it has to do with the director neil jordan's choice of her as the virgin mary which by now you all shd know has riled not a few sensitivities. i don't have the articles in front of me right now, but if i recall correctly, sinead feels all this controversy is needless because she feels that her virgin mary may curse a bit but it has to be taken in context. also, she thinks of the protagonist, 'the butcher boy' in question, as the archtypal representation of ireland which has been abused throughout its history. guz, it isn't not hard actually to "fix sinead with the film concept" if you delve into the film's themes of child abuse and parenting or rather, the lack of. why don't you refer to marcel/roman's website which i believe has that spin article? hope this helps, kai chai. >No one have idea of what Sinead thinks of the Butcher boy. I saw the film >and... was hard to fix Sinead with the film concept. > >No one have an idea of what she thinks? >Kai? >Marcel? >mmmmm? > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jitr-owner Sun Mar 7 01:32:08 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id BAA17672 for jitr-outgoing; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 01:32:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (wya-lfd86.hotmail.com [207.82.252.150]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id BAA17668 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 01:32:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 27034 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 1999 09:31:32 -0000 Message-ID: <19990307093132.27033.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.169.41.37 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 07 Mar 1999 01:31:31 PST X-Originating-IP: [192.169.41.37] From: "kai chai" To: jitr@postmodern.com Cc: bobbink@telebyte.nl Subject: sinead in bret easton ellis's latest novel Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 01:31:31 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ hi everyone at jitr, just bought bret easton ellis's latest tome, glamorama, and guess what, there's a few mentions of sinead in the novel! (bret easton ellis is of course the brat pack writer behind the '80s zetigeist novel, less than zero, as well as the controversial american psycho, but i shan't go into that here....) anyway, those of you who read ellis wd have known of his satirical affinity for name-dropping, esp. names of famous pple in imagined situations. in glamorama, sinead o'connor is on a list of celebs invited by the protagonist, victor ward, who's opening a club. gladly, our lady has RSVPed and said she'll attend. & in the penultimate chapter, 'the last day of our acquaintance' is used as a literary device/leitmotif throughout! it's really quite hilarious, because every other paragraph opens with the same clause: "Sinead O'Connor was singing "The Last Day of Our Acquaintance..." i've NEVER seen this song used in this context, and -- whatever you think of ellis -- it is indeed quite interesting to see how ellis uses the song as a poignant indictment of of the blank generation's obsession with celebrity. sorry for this nonsensical blabbering. ok, i'll stop here -- kai chai. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jitr-owner Sun Mar 7 02:02:00 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id CAA17786 for jitr-outgoing; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 02:02:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk (sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk [195.7.224.43]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id CAA17782 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 02:01:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from 195.7.225.143 (th-pm03-15.ndirect.co.uk [195.7.225.143]) by sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id KAA30223; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:01:44 GMT Message-ID: <36E24E15.4A85@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 09:59:50 +0000 From: Ross Reply-To: spartacus@ndirect.co.uk X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kai chai CC: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Sinead on butcher boy? References: <19990307091929.8867.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ kai chai wrote: > > sinead *has* indeed commented on the movie as well as her role several > times, eg in the spin, irish times, the guardian. ... > > i don't have the articles in front of me right now, but if i recall > correctly... I really think it's time you faced facts and accepted the position of jitr press officer :-) Regards, Ross From jitr-owner Sun Mar 7 02:18:49 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id CAA17868 for jitr-outgoing; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 02:18:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (wya-lfd113.hotmail.com [207.82.252.177]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id CAA17864 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 02:18:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16775 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 1999 10:18:15 -0000 Message-ID: <19990307101815.16774.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.169.41.39 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 07 Mar 1999 02:18:14 PST X-Originating-IP: [192.169.41.39] From: "kai chai" To: jitr@postmodern.com Cc: bobbink@telebyte.nl Subject: another chieftains contest Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 02:18:14 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ hi jitr pple, here's another chance to win the chieftains' tears of stone CD ++. i'm not sure whether it's limited to pple from certain parts of the world, so go check it out yrself, okay? kai chai (& thanks ross for the compliment:), it's all a collaborative effort with help from you guys, really). here's the text: The Chieftains/Tears of Stone Ultimate Giveaway Connect2Music (www.connect2music.com), your source for the latest adult contemporary music, is proud to announce the release of Tears of Stone, the new album from 1999 Grammy-Award Winners, The Chieftains. RCA Victor and C2M are giving away the band's entire sixteen-album catalog, tickets to a Chieftains concert or autographed CDs and posters! While your registering to win, check out audio and video clips from Tears of Stone; an evocative collection of songs about women and love featuring guest performances by Mary Chapin Carpenter, The Corrs, Diana Krall, Loreena McKennitt, Natalie Merchant, Sinead O'Connor, Joan Osborne, Bonnie Raitt and Sissel. Don't miss this opportunity to win at http://www.connect2music.com/chieftains/tearsofstone/index.html. The contest expires on May 1, 1999, so hurry! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jitr-owner Sun Mar 7 03:57:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id DAA17970 for jitr-outgoing; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 03:57:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (wya-lfd110.hotmail.com [207.82.252.174]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id DAA17966 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 03:57:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5648 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 1999 11:56:28 -0000 Message-ID: <19990307115628.5647.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.169.41.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 07 Mar 1999 03:56:28 PST X-Originating-IP: [192.169.41.42] From: "kai chai" To: jitr@postmodern.com Cc: bobbink@telebyte.nl Subject: sinead's warfield concert poster Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 03:56:28 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ hi jitr pple, there's a picture of the poster for sinead's warfield gig '97 on the net. check it out at: http://www.frankwdesign.com/Sinead.html kai chai. ps. mandy, i'll mail you separately... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jitr-owner Sun Mar 7 05:57:00 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id FAA18118 for jitr-outgoing; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 05:57:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.adinet.com.uy (mail.adinet.com.uy [206.99.44.235]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id FAA18113 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 05:56:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from tango.uruguaynet.com.uy (r243-15.adinet.com.uy [207.50.243.15]) by mail.adinet.com.uy (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA03669; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:56:13 -0300 (GMT) Message-ID: <008a01be68a2$a9157920$0ff332cf@tango.uruguaynet.com.uy> From: "Gustavo" To: "Jesseca Cornelson" Cc: Subject: RE: our girl in Butcher Boy Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:51:44 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Are you sure on Maureen name on the titles ? I think Claudia's is right on believing that te name was "colleen", the girl on the plaster house. Of course it's obvious that it is also the Virgin Mary dressed 'like' the house. I don't think we missed another character. thanks, guz From jitr-owner Sun Mar 7 05:57:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id FAA18156 for jitr-outgoing; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 05:57:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.adinet.com.uy (mail.adinet.com.uy [206.99.44.235]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id FAA18152 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 05:57:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from tango.uruguaynet.com.uy (r243-15.adinet.com.uy [207.50.243.15]) by mail.adinet.com.uy (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA03679; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:56:19 -0300 (GMT) Message-ID: <008c01be68a2$ac85e7c0$0ff332cf@tango.uruguaynet.com.uy> From: "Gustavo" To: "John Clarke McManus" Cc: Subject: Clarke's mix Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:52:40 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ I would really like to hear your fire on babylon +ACY- army of me mix. Let me know if you can converse it into mp3, or something. thanks guz From jitr-owner Sun Mar 7 05:59:46 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id FAA18196 for jitr-outgoing; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 05:59:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.adinet.com.uy (mail.adinet.com.uy [206.99.44.235]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id FAA18192 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 05:59:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from tango.uruguaynet.com.uy (r243-15.adinet.com.uy [207.50.243.15]) by mail.adinet.com.uy (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA03686; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:56:22 -0300 (GMT) Message-ID: <008d01be68a2$adc4d060$0ff332cf@tango.uruguaynet.com.uy> From: "Gustavo" To: "kai chai" Cc: Subject: RE: Sinead on butcher boy? Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:52:49 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Thankyou KAI. Yes, you're right on the child abuse and parenting point. thanks for the help. guz From jitr-owner Sun Mar 7 06:34:25 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id GAA18306 for jitr-outgoing; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 06:34:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from boober.lineone.net (boober-be.lineone.net [194.75.152.84]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id GAA18302 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 06:34:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from DOL9142423 (host5-99-45-154.btinternet.com [195.99.45.154]) by boober.lineone.net (8.8.5/8.8.0) with SMTP id OAA20109 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 14:32:40 GMT Message-ID: <003b01be68a6$a0008100$9a2d63c3@DOL9142423> From: "David F O' Leary" To: "jump in the river" Subject: Sinead in the Butcher Boy Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 14:27:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ The Butcher Boy, a superb book and film. It is "Our Lady/Colleen" you will read in the credits. When Sinead appears in the little model house she is still the same character, not a different one, she is still the Virgin Mary. "colleen" is Gaelic (Irish) for girl or lady. So Our Lady, is Our Colleen if you like. I think it's like saying saying she is like an IRISH Virgin Mary with her strong Irish accent and her Irish slang "Ah, for feck's sake Francie". She's a figment of Francie's imagination and therefore not THE Virgin Mary, but a vision, an hallucination, slightly twisted not unlike the rest of what goes on in poor Francie's head. She's there as a comfort for him, to mother him when his own mother cannot, when he is otherwise alone in the world. I think that Sinead relates to the role in this way, she sees her role as a mothering, comforting role. Not really a religious icon. I think that in one of the articles Kai Chai mentioned Sinead says that she looked on him as if he were her own son Jake. Just pretended that Francie was Jake and gave him lots of loving looks and so on. Sarah. From jitr-owner Sun Mar 7 07:21:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id HAA18399 for jitr-outgoing; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 07:21:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from front1.grolier.fr (front1.grolier.fr [194.158.96.51]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id HAA18395 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 07:20:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from bautin.club-internet.fr (ppp-116-210.villette.club-internet.fr [194.158.116.210]) by front1.grolier.fr (8.9.3/No_Relay+No_Spam_MGC990224) with SMTP id QAA07135 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 16:20:54 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000601be68ad$f425c720$d2749ec2@bautin.club-internet.fr> From: "Bruno AUTIN" To: "jitr" Subject: To sell: My special child / FOB Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 16:16:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Today I've been to a record fair. I just found "come talk to me" - radio edit but I didn't look at it well, it was a live version so without Sinead..but I found 2 Cd single , I sell to you at the right price:15$+3$ for shipping : - My special child (+ nc2u live+emperor live+ my special child instr) - Fire on Babylon (I believe in you+house of the rising sun+streets of london) From jitr-owner Sun Mar 7 11:44:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id LAA18797 for jitr-outgoing; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 11:44:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id LAA18793 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 11:44:45 -0800 (PST) From: Gogobooty3@aol.com Received: from Gogobooty3@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id sBBZa20330; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 14:42:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <857cdf3.36e2d6bd@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 14:42:53 EST To: david.oleary@lineone.net, jitr@postmodern.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sinead in the Butcher Boy Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 52 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ i think the woman on the house is a separate character, she shows up long before francie starts seeing the virgin mary....he buys the house when he runs away & comes back. it's not till much later, when he is sent to the school for wayward boys, that he begins to see the virgin mary in his visions. she looks quite diffferent in each part, in my opinion. ---claudia From jitr-owner Sun Mar 7 19:19:02 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id TAA19618 for jitr-outgoing; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 19:19:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from free (root@[195.175.179.116]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id TAA19614 for ; Sun, 7 Ma