From jitr-owner Mon Feb 1 03:34:17 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id DAA22308 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 03:34:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.telekabel.nl (arnhem.telekabel.nl [194.134.132.130]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id DAA22304 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 03:34:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns (n212.ede.telekabel.euronet.nl [194.134.135.217]) by mail.telekabel.nl (8.8.8/8.8/EuroNet) with SMTP id MAA15766 from for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:34:06 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <4.1.19990201123301.00999c50@pop.telekabel.nl> X-Sender: eduflo@pop.telekabel.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 12:33:23 +0100 To: jitr@postmodern.com From: eduard Subject: nogmaals de jitr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hi, ... this is the same story from the Sunday Mirror's Internet site. It=20 includes some different details to the other story. SINEAD IN PROBE OVER DAUGHTER'S WELFARE=20 SINEAD O'CONNOR is to be quizzed over claims that she has neglected the=20 welfare of her three-year-old daughter Roisin.=20 The girl's father went to police last Wednesday - two days after the rock=20 star sacked her nanny. Writer John Waters claimed he had been barred from going into Sinead's=20 =A31million London home. Mr Waters, who is Roisin's legal guardian, made a complaint to officers at= =20 Highgate police station. On Friday he had further talks with officers from= =20 the Metropolitan Police specialist child protection team, based in Camden,= =20 North London. Mr Waters, 37, is known to have been deeply unhappy with the nanny being=20 fired. She had cared for Roisin since she was three months old and their=20 relationship was said to have been "very close". Mr Waters recently revealed to close friends that he was worried about the= =20 atmosphere in which Roisin was living. He and Sinead are said to have been involved in a psychological war that has= =20 raged for nearly three years. Last autumn Mr Waters - a columnist for an Irish newspaper - bought a house= =20 in London to be near Roisin. Before that he flew from Dublin to London nearly every week to see the=20 child. Right from the start the love affair between Mr Waters and Sinead seemed=20 doomed. The couple first met in 1995 after Sinead saw an article Mr Waters had=20 written about one of her songs. "She rang and said she would come round that evening," he said. "The idea=20 seems faintly ridiculous. "She sat in the couch and fixed me with her big blue eyes. She was the most= =20 un-rock star person I had ever met." Later Sinead said she chose Mr Waters to be the father of her child because= =20 of his intelligence. She added insult to injury when she described him as the "donor" rather than= =20 the father of the child. Last night a Metropolitan Police spokeswoman confirmed they were=20 investigating Mr Waters' claims. ------------------------------ From jitr-owner Mon Feb 1 05:42:40 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id FAA22665 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 05:42:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from degas.telebyte.nl (root@degas.telebyte.nl [194.235.214.15]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id FAA22661 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 05:42:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from jarb (tc1-34.tc.telebyte.nl [194.235.222.163]) by degas.telebyte.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA07980 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:42:30 +0100 Message-ID: <013901be4de8$b9a4f6a0$aedeebc2@jarb> From: "Mars-L" To: "Jitr-digest" Subject: Being objective Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:32:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello, I hope this accusion thing won't become a thread like "This isn't true" etc....... We all don't know Sinead personally, and even if. We cannot make any conclusion positive of negative toward Sinead neither John Waters. All we can do is keep reading the papers and wait for an "official-judgement". Interesting case anyway. --- Mars-L ----------------------------------------------------------------- THERE"S ONLY ONE RACE, THE HUMAN-RACE Co-editor of the Sinead O'Connor Mainpage http://www.sinead-oconnor.com --- bobbink@telebyte.nl ------------------------------------------- From jitr-owner Mon Feb 1 08:15:43 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id IAA23015 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:15:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id IAA23011 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:15:41 -0800 (PST) From: Gogobooty3@aol.com Received: from Gogobooty3@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id IGXAa23181 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:14:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34884220.36b5d2f9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:14:49 EST To: jitr@postmodern.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: sorry kids that last posting was a MISTAKE!!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 83 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ please ignore all references to animals plotting revenge. From jitr-owner Mon Feb 1 08:17:47 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id IAA23056 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:17:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id IAA23052 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:17:44 -0800 (PST) From: Gogobooty3@aol.com Received: from Gogobooty3@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id XSCHa27784; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:13:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:13:20 EST To: RudyDiaz@aol.com, jitr@postmodern.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: newspaper story Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 83 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ oh my gawd! and i just watched the video of "BABE" the other day while babysitting! the sheep were so cute & fluffy! oh no...the animals really ARE plotting their revenge! claudia From jitr-owner Mon Feb 1 11:11:45 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id LAA23552 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:11:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ni1.ni.net (ni1.ni.net [192.215.247.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id LAA23546 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:11:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from monty.montgomery.com (mail.monty.com [207.199.31.93]) by ni1.ni.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA21041 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:11:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from montgomery.monty.com by monty.montgomery.com via smtpd (for ni1.ni.net [192.215.247.1]) with SMTP; 1 Feb 1999 19:13:16 UT Received: by mail.monty.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE4DD4.027218F0@mail.monty.com>; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:14:18 -0800 Message-ID: From: Gina Cogswell To: "'jitr@postmodern.com'" Subject: year of the horse on CDR Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:14:17 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ hi folks, just wanted you to know that i got the laserdisk, and unfortunately haven't had a chance to borrow the player from my neighbor. but as soon as i do, i'll transfer the audio to DAT and then to CDR. the final price will be $7 in US (1st class mail), $10 overseas. if you don't want color covers you can deduct $1. you'll get a custom picture disc and color laser covers as well as a couple of bonus songs (haven't decided yet what those will be). i'll let everyone know when i'm ready to actually take orders--maybe a week from now so don't grab your checkbook just yet. please don't be hurt if i don't reply personally right now. thanks, gina _._ .-' ` __|__ / \ most men think they're the big flu |()_()| when they're only just a little achoo \{o o}/ jgs =\o/= ^ ^ From jitr-owner Mon Feb 1 11:52:05 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id LAA23768 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:52:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from deimos.worldonline.nl (deimos.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.136]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id LAA23763 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:50:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from default (vp214-206.worldonline.nl [195.241.214.206]) by deimos.worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA16815; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 20:49:39 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199902011949.UAA16815@deimos.worldonline.nl> From: "Pepe van Megen" To: "TT Lovers In The World" , "Jump In The River" , "Honeychildren" Cc: "TT Lovers In The World" , "Jump In The River" , "Honeychildren" Subject: Luxemburg-fans? Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 20:41:51 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Sorry I'm using the three mailing-lists I subscribed to for my search to people who live in Luxemburg. I've been there last weekend and I lost my heart to this beautiful country. I'd like to know more about this country, and I'd love to learn to know people from there. And what would be better than sharing a love in a great musician?! That's the why... Apologies again to all the other people who aren't interested in this stuff, but I thought this would be a great way of learning to know people from Luxemburg. I myself am a 24 year old boy (next 24th of February I'll become 25 btw) and live in the Netherlands... Hope to hear from you! Hugs to all Pepe From jitr-owner Mon Feb 1 17:21:17 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id RAA24506 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:21:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from send102.yahoomail.com (send102.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.90]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id RAA24502 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:21:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19990202012344.22814.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.91.18.72] by send102.yahoomail.com; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 17:23:44 PST Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:23:44 -0800 (PST) From: Lion Cobra Reply-To: lion_cobra@yahoo.com Subject: It's important because... To: jitr@postmodern.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ It's important because I have a friend that is going to Ireland who is going to try and find Sinéad and get her autograph for me....So if anyone knows, please let me know. == Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo and Criticism is prejudice made plausible--Lion Cobra _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From jitr-owner Mon Feb 1 20:25:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id UAA24897 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 20:25:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from barley.adnc.com (barley.adnc.com [206.251.228.31]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id UAA24893 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 20:25:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.adnc.com (adnline221-113.adnc.com [209.216.221.113]) by barley.adnc.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA18097 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 20:24:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990201202500.008ec8b0@mail.adnc.com> X-Sender: srian@mail.adnc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 20:25:00 -0800 To: jitr@postmodern.com From: Steve Rian Subject: Sinead and the media Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ How sad it is that media runs with a story about Sinead that brings in question the quality of her parenting. I realize criminal complaints are subject to the public domain [at least in the US] but that does not mean the media must publicize the accusation. Maybe the compaint is true, maybe it is not, but no matter the outcome of the investigation, Sinead's reputation will forever be tarnsished. How badly her reputation is injured is not the issue. The fact is, some people will now always view her with a skeptical eye and wonder if she is as unfit mother. Can you imagine how this will hurt Sinead after what she went through as a child and after all she has done to bring the issue of child abuse to light. I do not believe she is an unfit mother. Quite the contrary, I think she is a beckon of hope and enlightenment concerning the issue of child abuse. How sad it is that I feel I must speak up for when she has been proven guilty of nothing. Steve From jitr-owner Mon Feb 1 21:27:41 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id VAA25035 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 21:27:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (wya-lfd106.hotmail.com [207.82.252.170]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id VAA25031 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 21:27:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19286 invoked by uid 0); 2 Feb 1999 05:27:06 -0000 Message-ID: <19990202052706.19285.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.169.41.45 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 21:27:05 PST X-Originating-IP: [192.169.41.45] From: "kai chai" To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: t.s. eliot reference in letter Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 21:27:05 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ hi jitr pple (mandy, have you gone MIA?), i know this waters/sinead altercation sounds distressing for everyone, but let's cross our fingers and hope everything will work out fine for all parties -- i'm sure both of them want the best for their daughter, roisin. anyway, read a report from billboard concerning sinead's letter to the irish times, and the writer is astute enough to notice the t.s. eliot's reference in sinead's "impeachment" line:)) excellent allusion, sinead. take care, kai chai. oh, here's the article: Sinead Vs. U.S. Senate Sinead O'Connor, the Irish singer who ran afoul of the Catholic church after she named Pope John Paul II "the real enemy" and tore up his picture on television program "Saturday Night Live," is now taking on the U.S. Senate. In a letter printed yesterday in Ireland's national newspaper the Irish Times, the politically minded songstress urged American lawmakers to stop "wasting money ... in a starving world" on the trial of Bill Clinton. Furthermore, in a sly reference to T.S. Eliot's poem "The Love Song Of J. Alfred Prufrock," she asked, "Does impeachment mean they're gonna turn him into a peach? If so, can I eat him?" In other news from Ireland, Dublin has been chosen as the host city for the sixth annual MTV Europe Music Awards. The event, which will take place Nov. 1, will be staged at the city's live music venue the Point, which has an audience capacity of about 4,000. Last year's awards ceremony was held in Milan. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jitr-owner Mon Feb 1 21:48:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id VAA25103 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 21:48:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (wya-lfd106.hotmail.com [207.82.252.170]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id VAA25099 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 21:48:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 24479 invoked by uid 0); 2 Feb 1999 05:48:17 -0000 Message-ID: <19990202054817.24478.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.169.41.44 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 21:48:15 PST X-Originating-IP: [192.169.41.44] From: "kai chai" To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: sinead's top 10 faves 1998 Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 21:48:15 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ hi jitr folks, from LA times, sinead's top 10 list for 1998. enjoy: Sinead O'Connor's Top 10 List 1. Curtis Mayfield's "New World Order" "Besides it being a great record, the effort that he went through to make the record--being in an iron lung and having to rest after singing each sentence--is such an inspiration to me." 2. Bob Dylan's "Slow Train Coming" "It was great to hear music that mixed religion and sex because Ireland is very religious with no sex, if you know what I mean." 3. N.W.A.'s "Straight Outta Compton" "The best rap album ever made." 4. Aretha Franklin's "I Never Loved a Man the Way I Loved You" 5. Bob Marley's "Rebel Music" "Again, very sexy, but very religious and rebellious at the same time." 6. Buju Banton's " 'Til Shiloh" "There's a song, 'Untold Story,' which talks about how opportunity is a scarce commodity for poor or black people in the music business mainstream." 7. Sizzla's "Praise Ye Jah" "He's another Jamaican, a contemporary of Buju. Great singing voice. He sounds very Irish to me." 8. Sizzla's "Black Woman & Child" 9. Ella Fitzgerald's "Cole Porter Song Book, Vol. 1" "Ella has a great sense of humor in her voice, so she's perfect for Cole Porter songs." 10. Ray Charles & Betty Carter's "Ray Charles & Betty Carter" Copyright 1998 Los Angeles Times. All Rights Reserved cheers, kai chai. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jitr-owner Mon Feb 1 22:08:02 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id WAA25202 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:08:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (wya-lfd109.hotmail.com [207.82.252.173]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id WAA25198 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:07:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5528 invoked by uid 0); 2 Feb 1999 06:07:29 -0000 Message-ID: <19990202060729.5527.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.169.41.37 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 22:07:27 PST X-Originating-IP: [192.169.41.37] From: "kai chai" To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: women in rock poster Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 22:07:27 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ er, me again. there's a women in rock poster with a host of singers' names on it. sinead's at the top right hand corner. go to: , and then click on the poster to view a larger version. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jitr-owner Tue Feb 2 04:36:58 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id EAA27933 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 04:36:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from merchant.amb.kz ([195.82.6.130]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id EAA27929 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 04:36:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by merchant.amb.kz with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:19:29 +0600 Message-ID: <9E1A73CFA562D21188D900203575A3000636B6@merchant.amb.kz> From: "Zhanet B. Turarbekova" To: jitr@postmodern.com, lion_cobra@yahoo.com Subject: RE: It's important because...(delete) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:19:23 +0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ I'm afraid noone would tell you the adress-----I was living in UK for more then a year and I havn't seen Sinead (except Fleadh fest---my lucky star shined me!) But honestly say I was just happy being in the same city with her and listen to her music and that's great! So my advise to you don't try to find the adress- it's not so important----believe me! But on the other hand if you have never seen her then you suppose to be desperate:))))----then good luck!!!! Janet with peace and love! From jitr-owner Tue Feb 2 04:49:19 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id EAA28027 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 04:49:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from boober.lineone.net (boober-be.lineone.net [194.75.152.84]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id EAA28023 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 04:49:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from DOL9142423 (host5-171-238-179.btinternet.com [195.171.238.179]) by boober.lineone.net (8.8.5/8.8.0) with SMTP id MAA10233 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:48:43 GMT Message-ID: <005d01be4ea9$c2408380$b3eeabc3@DOL9142423> From: "David F O' Leary" To: "jump in the river" Subject: Sinead's address Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:44:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ What makes anyone think they have the right to know Sinead's address? LionCobra? Nobody has the right to harrass Sinead in her private life, to turn up at her house uninvited. If you want to try and meet Sinead go to one of her gigs or somewhere where she is in a public/performing role. Don't intrude on her privacy. I don't understand this mentality where anyone thinks they have the right to knock on Sinead's door. I know that many on this list agree with me because no one has offered Sinead's address to you. The fact is that if you want a book you go to the library, you don't go to the private residence of the librarian. If you want to see Sinead, go to one of her gigs. Otherwise leave her alone. Sarah. From jitr-owner Tue Feb 2 05:01:56 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id FAA28092 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 05:01:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from exchange.rotarywatches.com ([193.133.137.242]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id FAA28088 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 05:01:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by mailhost.rotarywatches.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:00:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20204F99FE6FD211BA3A0060085CF48E034B41@mailhost.rotarywatches.com> From: Mandy Green To: "'David F O' Leary'" , jump in the river Subject: RE: Sinead's address Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:00:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Sinead's had "problem fans" harassing her at her old place and her reaction to people, fans or otherwise, approaching her uninvited, has been well-documented. If you want to get in touch then my advice is to use the proper channels, i.e. her record label, she is however also known for not reading "fan mail". Mandy -----Original Message----- From: David F O' Leary [SMTP:david.oleary@lineone.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 12:44 PM To: jump in the river Subject: Sinead's address What makes anyone think they have the right to know Sinead's address? LionCobra? Nobody has the right to harrass Sinead in her private life, to turn up at her house uninvited. If you want to try and meet Sinead go to one of her gigs or somewhere where she is in a public/performing role. Don't intrude on her privacy. I don't understand this mentality where anyone thinks they have the right to knock on Sinead's door. I know that many on this list agree with me because no one has offered Sinead's address to you. The fact is that if you want a book you go to the library, you don't go to the private residence of the librarian. If you want to see Sinead, go to one of her gigs. Otherwise leave her alone. Sarah. From jitr-owner Tue Feb 2 05:21:43 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id FAA28144 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 05:21:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (wya-lfd103.hotmail.com [207.82.252.167]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id FAA28140 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 05:21:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 14565 invoked by uid 0); 2 Feb 1999 13:21:10 -0000 Message-ID: <19990202132110.14564.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.169.41.43 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 05:21:08 PST X-Originating-IP: [192.169.41.43] From: "kai chai" To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: sinead on a mission again:) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 05:21:08 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ hi jitr pple, social activist sinead is apparently involved in a campaign to release irish wolfhounds in glacier park, montana. busy, busy, busy:)) doncha just love her, kai chai. here's the article: Banff, Alberta - (CNSI) In a controversial move, the board of the GWIPP has voted to allow a pack of some 40 Irish Wolfhounds to be set loose in Glacier Park, Montana, sometime in early June. The measure was pushed through the GWIPP's annual convention in Banff, winning by a scant two votes. Heavy lobbying by The Celtic Wildlife League and The Irish Wolfhound Guild of North America led to the narrow victory. The GWIPP was evidently swayed by a videotaped appeal featuring Sinead O'Connor and Senator Ted Kennedy, who made a strong emotional case for introducing the hounds. CWL spokesperson Meg Shannon said that introducing the Wolfhounds into the Glacier Park ecosystem "...will once and forver settle the question of whether or not an Irish Wolfhound can actually hunt down and kill a wolf". "This is a matter of Irish pride," Shannon went on to say. "The Irish people have been downtrodden and derided for far too long. This program is a chance for us to show the world that our celebrated hounds have what it takes to be victorious in any weather - under any conditions." Wolves have been extinct in Ireland since about 1600. A celebratory rally is planned in Banff on March 17. -30- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jitr-owner Tue Feb 2 05:39:28 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id FAA28192 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 05:39:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from front2.grolier.fr (front2.grolier.fr [194.158.96.52]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id FAA28188 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 05:39:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from bautin.club-internet.fr (ppp-168-135.villette.club-internet.fr [195.36.168.135]) by front2.grolier.fr (8.9.0/MGC-980407-Frontal-No_Relay) with SMTP id OAA29821 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:39:22 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000301be4eb1$69b685e0$87a824c3@bautin.club-internet.fr> From: "bruno AUTIN" To: "jitr" Subject: Silent night to trade Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:17:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ I have an extra copy of Silent Night CD single (HOLLAND:3238392) to trade with Jump in the river with Karen (CD only). I don't sell it, I just trade for this song only so don't mail me to buy it, sorry. From jitr-owner Tue Feb 2 06:05:00 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id GAA28260 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 06:05:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from edam.direct.ca (edam.direct.ca [199.60.229.6]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id GAA28256 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 06:04:56 -0800 (PST) From: 4a_nun@direct.ca Received: from mut-53-0475.direct.ca ([216.66.133.171] helo=big-blue) by edam.direct.ca with smtp (Exim 2.02 #21) id 107gRi-0004xZ-00 for jitr@server.postmodern.com; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 06:04:54 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990202060120.007c6910@direct.ca> X-Sender: 4a_nun@direct.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 06:01:20 -0800 To: "jump in the river" Subject: Re: Sinead's address In-Reply-To: <005d01be4ea9$c2408380$b3eeabc3@DOL9142423> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ I couldn't agree with you more! Very well put. I know i wouldn't feel comfortable with a stranger come knocking on my door asking for an autograph. ed At 12:44 PM 2/2/99 -0000, Sarah wrote: >What makes anyone think they have the right to know Sinead's address? >LionCobra? Nobody has the right to harrass Sinead in her private life, to >turn up at her house uninvited. If you want to try and meet Sinead go to one >of her gigs or somewhere where she is in a public/performing role. Don't >intrude on her privacy. > >I don't understand this mentality where anyone thinks they have the right to >knock on Sinead's door. I know that many on this list agree with me because >no one has offered Sinead's address to you. > >The fact is that if you want a book you go to the library, you don't go to >the private residence of the librarian. If you want to see Sinead, go to one >of her gigs. Otherwise leave her alone. > >Sarah. From jitr-owner Tue Feb 2 08:40:15 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id IAA28656 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 08:40:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id IAA28652 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 08:40:11 -0800 (PST) From: Gogobooty3@aol.com Received: from Gogobooty3@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id QQUBa26290; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:39:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:39:15 EST To: secretmanta@hotmail.com, jitr@postmodern.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: sinead on a mission again:) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 83 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ this has to be one of the most ignorant things i have ever heard! what exactly is the point? wolves are hunted, endangered animals almost everywhere, with dwindling natural habitats. wolves have just been reintroduced in certain areas of the US after being forced out by humans. now people want to set dogs after them just to "prove" irish people aren't to be derided? how does that PROVE anything about people? if anything it just shows how absolutely disgusting people are, constantly trying to assert themselves over nature. wolfhounds can obviously kill wolves if they are extinct in ireland. must they be extinct EVERYWHERE? this is absolutely hideous, unnecessary and stupid, stupid, stupid. sinead needs to get a fuckin life if she is supporting this asinine idea. i am thoroughly disgusted. ---claudia From jitr-owner Tue Feb 2 09:13:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id JAA28757 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:13:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from artemis.efes.net (root@artemis.efes.net.tr [195.174.202.17]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id JAA28753 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:12:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from artemis.efes.net.tr ([212.252.65.104]) by artemis.efes.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA30570 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:11:46 +0200 Message-ID: <36B732EA.1B239195@artemis.efes.net.tr> Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 19:16:26 +0200 From: Deniz Cebe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Lord In NYC Lyrics Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------2C5E583E0B4E9921C506E7B2" Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2C5E583E0B4E9921C506E7B2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, I've just seen the movie You've Got Mail, which is nothing very special, except the music, of course! But I'm very disappointed to hear the original Harry Nilsson version of I Guess The Lord Must Be In New York City in the movie, instead of Sinéad's verison. Sinéad, I believe, has again done wonders with another cover. Her vocal performance is in its peak, and the production is simple yet very lovely. Only one complaint: I think the song is faded out too early. Sinéad's "Ooo Oooh"s and "Laaa laa"s are the most enchanting part of the song, in my opinion, but they last very short! Anyway, I've also transcribed the lyrics. Nothing difficult, I know! With love, Deniz --------------2C5E583E0B4E9921C506E7B2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="lord_in_nyc.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="lord_in_nyc.txt" I GUESS THE LORD MUST BE IN NEW YORK CITY (Harry Nilsson) I say goodbye to all my sorrows And by tomorrow I'll be on my way I guess the lord must be in New York City I'm so tired of getting nowhere Seeing my prayers going unanswered I guess the lord must be in New York City Well, here I am Lord Knocking on your back door Ain't it wonderful to be For the first time I'll be free In New York City --------------2C5E583E0B4E9921C506E7B2-- From jitr-owner Tue Feb 2 09:15:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id JAA28798 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:15:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from artemis.efes.net (root@artemis.efes.net.tr [195.174.202.17]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id JAA28791 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:14:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from artemis.efes.net.tr ([212.252.65.104]) by artemis.efes.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA30662 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:12:47 +0200 Message-ID: <36B73339.AFB2E51A@artemis.efes.net.tr> Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 19:17:45 +0200 From: Deniz Cebe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Mraya Transcribtion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hi, I'm back from holiday today, so I'm replying about Mraya transcribtion. First of all, I want to mention that living in Turkey has nothing to do with knowing Arabic. In our schools, we are taught our native Turkish and English as the second language. There are only some religious schools - which I am totally against- in which Arabic is being taught. So, I myself wouldn't be able to do this, but if any of you can send me the transcribed Arabic text, I can have it translated in Turkish, then translate it to English etc... Oh, by the way: I already don't have the song on CD (as it wasn't released here), but I have a one minute long Real Audio file. Sorry to disappoint you! With love, Deniz PS. I'm also very curious about the Arabic words in Fire On Babylon Remix. *********************************************************************** What distinguishes one child from another is not ability but access; access to education, access to opportunity, access to love. -Lauryn Hill *********************************************************************** From jitr-owner Tue Feb 2 09:28:41 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id JAA28874 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:28:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from callisto.uwinnipeg.ca (root@callisto.uwinnipeg.ca [142.132.1.23]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id JAA28870 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:28:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from BilalRana (sdi3m13.uwinnipeg.ca [142.132.52.14]) by callisto.uwinnipeg.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA28111 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:28:36 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000301be4ed1$2a2ee3c0$0e34848e@BilalRana> From: "Bilal Rana" To: "Jitr-digest" Subject: excited Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 20:48:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ hello jitr, sheesh, ye dont read yer mail fer a few days and yer jitr folder gets swamped! man, i dont know if ill be able to get through these :) anyhow, man, just wanted to say, I AM SO EXCITED ABOUT TEARS OF STONE ! ! ! :) later, bilal From jitr-owner Tue Feb 2 09:57:54 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id JAA28978 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:57:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from satie.u-bourgogne.fr (satie.u-bourgogne.fr [192.134.59.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id JAA28974 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:57:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from [193.52.250.226] (termite.u-bourgogne.fr [193.52.250.226]) by satie.u-bourgogne.fr (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA113066 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 18:57:46 +0100 X-Sender: csophie@satie.u-bourgogne.fr Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005d01be4ea9$c2408380$b3eeabc3@DOL9142423> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:02:12 +0100 To: "jump in the river" From: Sophie Connetable Subject: Re: Sinead's address Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ At 12:44 +0000 2/02/99, David F O' Leary wrote: ..... >I don't understand this mentality where anyone thinks they have the right to >knock on Sinead's door. I know that many on this list agree with me because >no one has offered Sinead's address to you. I completely agree with you about privacy, but I thought the reason no one has offered Sinead's adress was because no one knew it.... and it's better this way ;o)) Sophie From jitr-owner Tue Feb 2 10:17:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id KAA29101 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:17:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from front6.grolier.fr (front6.grolier.fr [194.158.96.56]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id KAA29097 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:17:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from bautin.club-internet.fr (ppp-169-180.villette.club-internet.fr [195.36.169.180]) by front6.grolier.fr (8.9.0/MGC-980407-Frontal-No_Relay) with SMTP id TAA09882 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:17:26 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <001d01be4ed8$3a874a80$b4a924c3@bautin.club-internet.fr> From: "bruno AUTIN" To: "jump in the river" Subject: Re: Sinead's address Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:16:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Once I receive a mail from someone of the jitr (I won't say who) who gave me her address in London. I promised not to spread it of course, and a few days ago I had the surprise to notice this address was writtten on the back sleeve of the 12" single of "I want your ", it was not her home address but the Company ;-)) Anyway I agree with you, I don't care were she can live, I met het at the concert, before her show and this is the right time to meet an artist, out of this context its really a lack of respect. From jitr-owner Tue Feb 2 10:43:39 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id KAA29158 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:43:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from stormy.ibl.bm (stormy.ibl.bm [199.172.192.5]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id KAA29154 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:43:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from ibl.bm ([199.172.251.26]) by stormy.ibl.bm (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-57908U12500L11000S0V35) with ESMTP id bm; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:43:31 -0400 Message-ID: <36B74753.85119DD2@ibl.bm> Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 14:43:31 -0400 From: voorhees joell Reply-To: vjoell@ibl.bm Organization: image doctor X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gogobooty3@aol.com CC: secretmanta@hotmail.com, jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Re: sinead on a mission again:) References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------417ED4FB3B1A8732640BE742" Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------417ED4FB3B1A8732640BE742 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------358B13BC93F9C76F168EEA70" --------------358B13BC93F9C76F168EEA70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree COMPLETELY with Claudia in her views on the wolves being hunted. As an Animal Rights Activist and Vegan, I am appalled at the idea. I also agree that Sinead needs to get a life, I think she has her name in the papers enough these days, a 'controversial rock star' backing this slaughter is all Greenpeace or the World Wildlife Federation need to slam her. I have been an admirer of Sinead since the release of The Lion and the Cobra and nothing she has done has ever offended me. Back in the 'Pope-Ripping days' I lost a lot of friends at my Catholic high school when I wouldn't hear anything negative about her. She's gone too far with this one though... Andrea Jane Gogobooty3@aol.com wrote: > this has to be one of the most ignorant things i have ever heard! what exactly > is the point? wolves are hunted, endangered animals almost everywhere, with > dwindling natural habitats. wolves have just been reintroduced in certain > areas of the US after being forced out by humans. now people want to set dogs > after them just to "prove" irish people aren't to be derided? how does that > PROVE anything about people? if anything it just shows how absolutely > disgusting people are, constantly trying to assert themselves over nature. > wolfhounds can obviously kill wolves if they are extinct in ireland. must they > be extinct EVERYWHERE? this is absolutely hideous, unnecessary and stupid, > stupid, stupid. sinead needs to get a fuckin life if she is supporting this > asinine idea. > > i am thoroughly disgusted. > > ---claudia --------------358B13BC93F9C76F168EEA70 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I  agree COMPLETELY with Claudia in her views on the wolves being hunted. As an Animal Rights Activist and Vegan, I am appalled at the idea. I also agree that Sinead needs to get a life, I think she has her name in the papers enough these days, a 'controversial rock star' backing this slaughter is all Greenpeace or the World Wildlife Federation need to slam her. I have been an admirer of Sinead since the release of The Lion and the Cobra and nothing she has done has ever offended me. Back in the 'Pope-Ripping days' I lost a lot of friends at my Catholic high school when I wouldn't hear anything negative about her. She's gone too far with this one though...
Andrea Jane

Gogobooty3@aol.com wrote:

this has to be one of the most ignorant things i have ever heard! what exactly
is the point? wolves are hunted, endangered animals almost everywhere, with
dwindling natural habitats. wolves have just been reintroduced in certain
areas of the US after being forced out by humans. now people want to set dogs
after them just to "prove" irish people aren't to be derided? how does that
PROVE anything about people? if anything it just shows how absolutely
disgusting people are, constantly trying to assert themselves over nature.
wolfhounds can obviously kill wolves if they are extinct in ireland. must they
be extinct EVERYWHERE? this is absolutely hideous, unnecessary and stupid,
stupid, stupid. sinead needs to get a fuckin life if she is supporting this
asinine idea.

i am thoroughly disgusted.

---claudia

  --------------358B13BC93F9C76F168EEA70-- --------------417ED4FB3B1A8732640BE742 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Voorhees Joell Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Voorhees Joell n: Joell;Voorhees org: HAVE A BERMUDAFUL DAY!! email;internet: vjoell@ibl.bm note: ImageDOCTOR x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------417ED4FB3B1A8732640BE742-- From jitr-owner Tue Feb 2 12:28:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id MAA29445 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:28:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from degas.telebyte.nl (root@degas.telebyte.nl [194.235.214.15]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id MAA29441 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:27:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from jarb (tc1-58.tc.telebyte.nl [194.235.222.187]) by degas.telebyte.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA01455 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:27:47 +0100 Message-ID: <008201be4f04$9942ade0$bbdeebc2@jarb> From: "Mars-L" To: "Jitr-digest" Subject: Sinead adres in Ireland (LION COBRA) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 00:34:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello, LionCobra.......you made me ROFL sorry ;-))))))) IMO someone who starts a homepage about someone (as you know my thoughts are; the more about Sinead the better) should know a little (just a itsypitsy tiny little) bit about that person to start with. Read books about Sinead, listen to her songs (don't just "see" the words, try to understand them) and try to read the news online (newspapers, and......try another maybe also interesting homepage by fans, something like www.sinead-oconnor.com and the newspages there) LESSON ONE ABOUT SINEAD; Although Sinead hates (hated??) the UK because of their rage against Ireland, she lives in LONDON !!!!!! Simply because she likes the people there and finds Ireland a boring country to live. So you will not find her there in Ireland to get an autograph........ Sorry to tell you. --- Mars-L ----------------------------------------------------------------- THERE"S ONLY ONE RACE, THE HUMAN-RACE Co-editor of the Sinead O'Connor Mainpage http://www.sinead-oconnor.com --- bobbink@telebyte.nl ------------------------------------------- From jitr-owner Tue Feb 2 12:41:17 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id MAA29506 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:41:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id MAA29502 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:41:13 -0800 (PST) From: TigrisRi@aol.com Received: from TigrisRi@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id LQVZa04329; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:38:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3798ce34.36b76259@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:38:49 EST To: vjoell@ibl.bm Cc: jitr@postmodern.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: sinead on a mission again:) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ What is this deal with the wolves, I'm not sure I understand exactly what is up. Can you explain further? From jitr-owner Tue Feb 2 12:42:45 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id MAA29548 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:42:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id MAA29544 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:42:42 -0800 (PST) From: TigrisRi@aol.com Received: from TigrisRi@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 3QEPa20554; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:40:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <399b78b5.36b762cf@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:40:47 EST To: denizceb@artemis.efes.net.tr Cc: jitr@postmodern.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Mraya Transcribtion Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ I know arabic peope... if someone would just send me an audio file of this song, or a scan of the lyrics, I could translate it for all y'all. From jitr-owner Tue Feb 2 15:33:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id PAA00162 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:33:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from magpie.prod.itd.earthlink.net (magpie.prod.itd.earthlink.net [209.178.63.8]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id PAA00158 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:33:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from sprintmail.com (ip17.eagle.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.160.17]) by magpie.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA16112; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:33:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36B78B54.7B33C5FF@sprintmail.com> Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 18:33:41 -0500 From: "K. Savoie" Organization: Wanderlust X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: TigrisRi@aol.com, jitr@server.postmodern.com Subject: Re: sinead on a mission again:) References: <3798ce34.36b76259@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ LOL It was a joke! They're not releasing Irish Wolfhounds in Montana! Good one though... Kipjaz TigrisRi@aol.com wrote: > What is this deal with the wolves, I'm not sure I understand exactly what is > up. Can you explain further? From jitr-owner Tue Feb 2 16:05:50 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id QAA00292 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:05:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (root@proxy3.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id QAA00288 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:05:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from eagle (analogue.vip.best.com [204.156.141.189]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.9.2/8.9.2/best.out) with SMTP id QAA14763; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:01:08 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: From: "Daniel Duncan" To: , Cc: , Subject: RE: sinead on a mission again:) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:00:08 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 In-Reply-To: <36B74753.85119DD2@ibl.bm> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ This is all done with mirrors, y'know. If you believe ANYTHING in the media, then you get what you get. I could just as well believe that Sinead claimed to have come from a flying saucer as that she is or does anything reported in the press. I would rather believe anything in jitr than ANYTHING on the wire services or ANY media report. Point of departure is Plato's Allegory of the Cave. We wrangle about shadows and reward each other for issues of zero substance. Time to grow up and away from the media. Sinead's art is so much more than anything that has EVER been reported in the media, wolves or no wolves, Sinead's existence is a slap in the face to all media, which is 99% lies and the other 1% is half-truths. Don't be taken in. dunc -----Original Message----- From: owner-jitr@postmodern.com [mailto:owner-jitr@postmodern.com]On Behalf Of voorhees joell Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 6:44 PM To: Gogobooty3@aol.com Cc: secretmanta@hotmail.com; jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Re: sinead on a mission again:) I agree COMPLETELY with Claudia in her views on the wolves being hunted. As an Animal Rights Activist and Vegan, I am appalled at the idea. I also agree that Sinead needs to get a life, I think she has her name in the papers enough these days, a 'controversial rock star' backing this slaughter is all Greenpeace or the World Wildlife Federation need to slam her. I have been an admirer of Sinead since the release of The Lion and the Cobra and nothing she has done has ever offended me. Back in the 'Pope-Ripping days' I lost a lot of friends at my Catholic high school when I wouldn't hear anything negative about her. She's gone too far with this one though... Andrea Jane Gogobooty3@aol.com wrote: this has to be one of the most ignorant things i have ever heard! what exactly is the point? wolves are hunted, endangered animals almost everywhere, with dwindling natural habitats. wolves have just been reintroduced in certain areas of the US after being forced out by humans. now people want to set dogs after them just to "prove" irish people aren't to be derided? how does that PROVE anything about people? if anything it just shows how absolutely disgusting people are, constantly trying to assert themselves over nature. wolfhounds can obviously kill wolves if they are extinct in ireland. must they be extinct EVERYWHERE? this is absolutely hideous, unnecessary and stupid, stupid, stupid. sinead needs to get a fuckin life if she is supporting this asinine idea. i am thoroughly disgusted. ---claudia From jitr-owner Tue Feb 2 16:37:49 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id QAA00409 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:37:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id QAA00405 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:37:45 -0800 (PST) From: Gogobooty3@aol.com Received: from Gogobooty3@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id FQOTa20555 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:27:42 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:27:42 EST To: jitr@postmodern.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: sitting in corner wearing dunce cap Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 83 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ well if this wolf /wolfhound story is indeed a hoax, i'm glad to hear it. i stand by my comment about it being stupid, but i am even more stupid for getting all wrought up about it. i just kinda like wolves. duh. doh. um. delete. k--bye. claudia From jitr-owner Tue Feb 2 17:34:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id RAA00575 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:34:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from degas.telebyte.nl (root@degas.telebyte.nl [194.235.214.15]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id RAA00571 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:33:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from jarb (tc1-38.tc.telebyte.nl [194.235.222.167]) by degas.telebyte.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA18248 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 02:33:54 +0100 Message-ID: <000301be4f15$45a807a0$a7deebc2@jarb> From: "Mars-L" To: "Jitr-digest" Subject: FS; THE REAL WHISPER TO A SCREAM !!!! Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 02:33:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello, Besides that I will offer the stuff I have for sale through the JITR once in a while, you can now find a always up to date list on; http://www.telebyte.nl/~bobbink/sales/sales.html For the moment there aren't much items, simply because I don't have any. Although I am bidding on eBay I hate the bidding system, so on this page you will find set-price items. All my Sinead stuff will be sold that way first. If You really are interested in buying Sinead items check that page regulary, I will update it everytime I have new items. And within the next weeks I am expecting quit some interesting items like the Disney CD, Diana Promo, NC2U promo, Captive album, So different Books, Three Babies cd-s and much much more. For the moment IMO the only interesting item is the Whisper CD, I am selling the original. But for the collectors-price (infact it's even below that), I don't have a rush in selling it. So get shocked and visit the page ;-))) --- Mars-L ----------------------------------------------------------------- THERE"S ONLY ONE RACE, THE HUMAN-RACE Co-editor of the Sinead O'Connor Mainpage http://www.sinead-oconnor.com --- bobbink@telebyte.nl ------------------------------------------- From jitr-owner Tue Feb 2 18:34:45 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id SAA00762 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 18:34:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (wya-lfd106.hotmail.com [207.82.252.170]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id SAA00758 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 18:34:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11078 invoked by uid 0); 3 Feb 1999 02:34:02 -0000 Message-ID: <19990203023402.11077.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.169.41.41 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 18:34:01 PST X-Originating-IP: [192.169.41.41] From: "kai chai" To: wanderlust@sprintmail.com Cc: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Re: sinead on a mission again:) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 18:34:01 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ hi jitr pple, if the wolves article's a joke, i didn't mean to -- i myself was taken in. but, pardon my ignorance... one question: is it really a hoax? how does one know for sure? >LOL It was a joke! They're not releasing Irish Wolfhounds in Montana! > >Good one though... > >Kipjaz > anyway, here's another article from today's papers concerning the waters/sinead case: that's all, folks, kai chai. ps. to those who get heated up over sinead's comments: 'tis tough to be a sinead fan, but plse don't abandon her now.... just because you don't necessarily agree with her viewpoints. can't anyone see she's a good person with basic good intentions? it's just that she's not exactly very good in the PR department: all subtle and political correct. --- delete: this is embarrassing... sorry for this emotional outpouring. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jitr-owner Tue Feb 2 21:27:33 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id VAA01156 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:27:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (wya-lfd107.hotmail.com [207.82.252.171]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id VAA01152 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:27:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19249 invoked by uid 0); 3 Feb 1999 05:26:57 -0000 Message-ID: <19990203052657.19248.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.169.41.36 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 21:26:55 PST X-Originating-IP: [192.169.41.36] From: "kai chai" To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: factory girl lyrics Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 21:26:55 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ hi jitr pple, here's the lyrics for sinead's 'factory girl' off the forthcoming chieftains' album, tears of stone, out 23 feb: FACTORY GIRL As I went out walking One fine summer morning The birds in the bushes Did whistle and sing The lads and the lassies In couples were courting Going back to the factory Their work to begin He spied one among them She was fairy than any Her cheeks like the red rose That blooms in the spring Her hair in 'yon valley She was only a Hardworking factory girl He steps up beside her More closely to view her She says, "My young man Don't steer me so I've gold in my pocket And silver as well No more will I answer That factory call" and here's what paddy moloney (chieftains' honcho) says abt the track on jan 27: "This is the third project... with Sinead O'Connor. Opens a cappella in very traditional style. A cappella singers performed a lot at parties in old days. This song is about low-paid factory working women who do not have to work or hear the bell to start working any more. The bell is expressed with the pipe sound." cheers, kai chai. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jitr-owner Tue Feb 2 23:10:35 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id XAA01517 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 23:10:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from ni1.ni.net (ni1.ni.net [192.215.247.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id XAA01513 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 23:10:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from monty.montgomery.com (mail.monty.com [207.199.31.93]) by ni1.ni.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA09383 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 23:10:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from montgomery.monty.com by monty.montgomery.com via smtpd (for ni1.ni.net [192.215.247.1]) with SMTP; 3 Feb 1999 07:12:03 UT Received: by mail.monty.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE4F01.83ECD310@mail.monty.com>; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 23:12:33 -0800 Message-ID: From: Gina Cogswell To: "'jitr@postmodern.com'" Subject: a "new" (old) item for the discography Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 23:12:32 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ hi, i've had this cd for a couple of years but never really thought about it. it's not in mars-l's discography yet. Island Promo CD # NAMECD 1 Original Songs from the Film In the Name of the Father 1. Sinead O'Connor "You Made Me the Thief of Your Heart" 6.21 2. Bono & Gavin Friday "In the Name of the Father" 5.42 it appears to have been made in the UK. it's a slim-line jewel case with no photos of sinead--just daniel day-lewis on the cover. inside is a photo of a couple of the actors and a small photo of the movie poster. it's not for sale or anything. just thought some people would want to know. it still has the price tag: $3.99. g. From jitr-owner Wed Feb 3 06:18:21 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id GAA04212 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 06:18:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from ds9.sci.fi (ds9.sci.fi [195.74.0.54]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id GAA04208 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 06:18:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from saunalahti.fi (MDLXIII.dyn.saunalahti.fi [195.197.5.63]) by ds9.sci.fi (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA03184 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:18:13 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <36B85B7F.4CA4EB22@saunalahti.fi> Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 16:21:51 +0200 From: Ossi Kupila X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: wolves (with no Sinead, delete) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ "What´s this world comin to...?" > "This is a matter of Irish pride," Shannon went on to say. "The Irish > people have been downtrodden and derided for far too long. This > program is a chance for us to show the world that our celebrated > hounds have what it takes to be victorious in any weather - under any > conditions." > > Wolves have been extinct in Ireland since about 1600. > Like it was Irish wolfhounds who killed them... I deeply doubt that.Btw. does Irish wolfhounds have some kind of wolf-killing instict? In here attleast some German shephards have done the direct opposite , by joining the wolf groups. Ossi Ps. I wonder how this fight for Roisin will influence Sinead´s work on her new album.... is she going to do a song out of it....? From jitr-owner Wed Feb 3 06:56:31 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id GAA04315 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 06:56:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from degas.telebyte.nl (root@degas.telebyte.nl [194.235.214.15]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id GAA04310 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 06:56:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from jarb (tc1-52.tc.telebyte.nl [194.235.222.181]) by degas.telebyte.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA25583 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:56:22 +0100 Message-ID: <00cf01be4f85$5a51af60$93deebc2@jarb> From: "Mars-L" To: "Jitr-digest" Subject: Bruno's address Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:33:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello, >From: "bruno AUTIN" >Once I receive a mail from someone of the jitr (I won't say who) who gave me >her address in London. I promised not to spread it of course, and a few days >ago I had the surprise to notice this address was writtten on the back >sleeve of the 12" single of "I want your ", it was not her home address but >he Company ;-)) ;-))))))))))))))))))) LOL ))))))))) ROFL )))))))))))))))) Damn Bruno the JITR never made me laugh this hard............my son even woke up from his day-sleep. REALLY !!!! Bruno has a suprise burning on his lips for years, but in the end everyone had the same address. Was it the Red Lion Square address ???? Check all the vinyl/cd's and you'll find out the addresses changes amlost more then most people change their underware. >Anyway I agree with you, I don't care were she can live, I met het at the >concert, before her show and this is the right time to meet an artist, out >of this context its really a lack of respect. Can't agree with you all more !!! No artist wants to be 24 hours a day available for fans. --- Mars-L ----------------------------------------------------------------- Co-editor of the Sinead O'Connor Mainpage http://www.sinead-oconnor.com Items for sale on; http://www.telebyte.nl/~bobbink/sales/sales.html --- bobbink@telebyte.nl ------------------------------------------- From jitr-owner Wed Feb 3 06:56:38 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id GAA04346 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 06:56:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from degas.telebyte.nl (root@degas.telebyte.nl [194.235.214.15]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id GAA04323 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 06:56:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from jarb (tc1-52.tc.telebyte.nl [194.235.222.181]) by degas.telebyte.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA25601 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:56:26 +0100 Message-ID: <00d101be4f85$5c8ad680$93deebc2@jarb> From: "Mars-L" To: "Jitr-digest" Subject: Wolverine Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:54:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello, GREAT !!!!! SHE DID IT AGAIN !!!!!! Sinead is really on a mission, she wants to make people think of their own opinion, and make their own minds. That's the Sinead I like !! Even if I don't agree with her !! --- Mars-L ----------------------------------------------------------------- Co-editor of the Sinead O'Connor Mainpage http://www.sinead-oconnor.com Items for sale on; http://www.telebyte.nl/~bobbink/sales/sales.html --- bobbink@telebyte.nl ------------------------------------------- From jitr-owner Wed Feb 3 07:03:38 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id HAA04413 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 07:03:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from exchange.rotarywatches.com ([193.133.137.242]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id HAA04409 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 07:03:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by mailhost.rotarywatches.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:02:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20204F99FE6FD211BA3A0060085CF48E034B74@mailhost.rotarywatches.com> From: Mandy Green To: "'Mars-L'" Cc: "'jitr@postmodern.com'" Subject: RE: Bruno's address Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:02:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Why would anyone think that Ensign/Chrysalis/Sony/Columbia/Atlantic et al (!) would print an artist's home address on the back of their releases....please! Mandy -----Original Message----- From: Mars-L [SMTP:bobbink@telebyte.nl] Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 2:34 PM To: Jitr-digest Subject: Bruno's address Hello, >From: "bruno AUTIN" >Once I receive a mail from someone of the jitr (I won't say who) who gave me >her address in London. I promised not to spread it of course, and a few days >ago I had the surprise to notice this address was writtten on the back >sleeve of the 12" single of "I want your ", it was not her home address but >he Company ;-)) ;-))))))))))))))))))) LOL ))))))))) ROFL )))))))))))))))) Damn Bruno the JITR never made me laugh this hard............my son even woke up from his day-sleep. REALLY !!!! Bruno has a suprise burning on his lips for years, but in the end everyone had the same address. Was it the Red Lion Square address ???? Check all the vinyl/cd's and you'll find out the addresses changes amlost more then most people change their underware. >Anyway I agree with you, I don't care were she can live, I met het at the >concert, before her show and this is the right time to meet an artist, out >of this context its really a lack of respect. Can't agree with you all more !!! No artist wants to be 24 hours a day available for fans. --- Mars-L ----------------------------------------------------------------- Co-editor of the Sinead O'Connor Mainpage http://www.sinead-oconnor.com Items for sale on; http://www.telebyte.nl/~bobbink/sales/sales.html --- bobbink@telebyte.nl ------------------------------------------- From jitr-owner Wed Feb 3 07:46:09 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id HAA04542 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 07:46:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from front3.grolier.fr (front3.grolier.fr [194.158.96.53]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id HAA04538 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 07:46:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from bautin.club-internet.fr (ppp-166-212.villette.club-internet.fr [195.36.166.212]) by front3.grolier.fr (8.9.0/MGC-980407-Frontal-No_Relay) with SMTP id QAA00641 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:46:02 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <002201be4f8c$476268c0$d4a624c3@bautin.club-internet.fr> From: "bruno AUTIN" To: "Jitr-digest" Subject: Re: Bruno's address Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:45:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ >Was it the Red Lion Square address ???? ;-)) From jitr-owner Wed Feb 3 07:53:16 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id HAA04641 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 07:53:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from exchange.rotarywatches.com ([193.133.137.242]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id HAA04637 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 07:53:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by mailhost.rotarywatches.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:52:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20204F99FE6FD211BA3A0060085CF48E034B76@mailhost.rotarywatches.com> From: Mandy Green To: "'bruno AUTIN'" , Jitr-digest Subject: RE: Bruno's address Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:52:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ The old Ensign label's head office address...now defunct Mandy -----Original Message----- From: bruno AUTIN [SMTP:bautin@club-internet.fr] Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 3:46 PM To: Jitr-digest Subject: Re: Bruno's address >Was it the Red Lion Square address ???? ;-)) From jitr-owner Wed Feb 3 13:48:55 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id NAA05465 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:48:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from ni1.ni.net (ni1.ni.net [192.215.247.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id NAA05461 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:48:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from monty.montgomery.com (mail.monty.com [207.199.31.93]) by ni1.ni.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA12591 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:48:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from montgomery.monty.com by monty.montgomery.com via smtpd (for ni1.ni.net [192.215.247.1]) with SMTP; 3 Feb 1999 21:50:18 UT Received: by mail.monty.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE4F7C.3BF714A0@mail.monty.com>; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:51:01 -0800 Message-ID: From: Gina Cogswell To: "'jitr@postmodern.com'" Subject: another short blurb on "child neglect" Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:50:59 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ from thesleaze.com: POLICE INVESTIGATE SINEAD O'CONNOR OVER ALLEGED CHILD NEGLECT: London police are investigating a complaint that rock rebel SINEAD O'CONNOR neglected her young daughter. A Metropolitan Police spokesman says inquiries are underway after a complaint was made by Irish journalist JOHN WATERS, the father of Sinead's three-year-old daughter ROISIN. The spokesman says, "I can confirm that the Child Protection team is investigating an allegation of neglect of a child." O'Connor and Waters, who now lives in London to be close to his daughter, split up rather acrimoniously before the child was born and O'Connor has since referred to him as the child's "sperm donor". Ouch. Meanwhile, the no longer bald O'Connor has vowed to fight her ex's claims every step of the way. She insists she already gives Waters visitation rights and says, "Roisin will be taken away from me over my dead body." Wow. Don't mess with Sinead. _._ .-' ` __|__ / \ most men think they're the big flu |()_()| when they're only just a little achoo \{o o}/ jgs =\o/= ^ ^ From jitr-owner Wed Feb 3 13:52:13 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id NAA05510 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:52:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from front5.grolier.fr (front5.grolier.fr [194.158.96.55]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id NAA05504 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:51:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from club-internet.fr (ppp-99-115.villette.club-internet.fr [194.158.99.115]) by front5.grolier.fr (8.9.0/MGC-980407-Frontal-No_Relay) with ESMTP id WAA19851; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 22:50:14 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <36B8C3BF.23D9767E@club-internet.fr> Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 22:46:39 +0100 From: "Marc-H. Le Noir" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [fr] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bruno Autin , JITR Subject: Sinead & John Waters (for french readers only) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Sinead O'Connor soupçonnée à tort de mauvais traitements envers son enfant LONDRES, 2 fev (AFP) - La chanteuse irlandaise Sinead O'Connor a annoncé mardi son intention de poursuivre en justice le père de sa fille après que celui-ci l'eut accusée à tort de mauvais traitements envers l'enfant. O'Connor, qui a elle-même raconté à plusiers reprises avoir été victime de sévices de la part de sa mère dans son enfance, s'est dite scandalisée des accusations du journaliste John Waters, père de son deuxième enfant, Roisin, deux ans. "C'est la pire chose dont on peut accuser quelqu'un après les violences sexuelles", a-t-elle déclaré. Sur dénonciation de Waters, les services sociaux de Camden (nord de Londres) ont inspecté le domicile de la chanteuse et ses enfants, a-t-elle raconté à la presse. "Ils ont estimé que les allégations étaient infondées mais je vais le (Waters) poursuivre en justice pour avoir diffusé des informations diffamatoires qui ont causé du tort à ma carrière et à ma famille", a-t-elle ajouté. Un porte-parole des services sociaux a confirmé qu'aucune action n'était envisagée à la suite de l'inspection. La chanteuse dit avoir perdu 10 jours de travail en studio en raison de la dénonciation et de ses suites. En outre, elle assure que son fils Jake, 11 ans, a été traumatisé par l'affaire. http://www.yahoo.fr/actualite/19990202/people/917988360-yaho108.html From jitr-owner Wed Feb 3 13:59:16 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id NAA05556 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:59:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns0.iticom.net (root@[207.49.135.248]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id NAA05552 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:59:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.96] by ns0.iticom.net ; Wed, 03 Feb 1999 21:59:32 +000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 17:02:44 -0500 Subject: Re: Sinead & John Waters (for french readers only) From: " John Williams" To: JITR Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <91807917201@ns0.iticom.net> Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ babelfish having a bit of trouble, but: Sinead O' Connor suspected wrongly of ill treatments towards his/her child LONDON, 2 fev (AFP) - the Irish singer Sinead O' Connor announced Tuesday her intention to prosecute the father of her daughter after this one had shown it wrongly ill treatments towards the child. O' Connor, which told itself with plusiers taken again to have been victim of maltreatment on behalf of his/her mother in her childhood, was said scandalized charges of the journalist John Waters, father of his second child, Roisin, two years. " It is the worst thing which one can show somebody after sexual violences ", it declared. On denunciation of Toilets, the social services of Camden (northern of London) inspected the residence of the singer and his/her children, it told with the press. " They estimated that the allegations were unfounded but I it (Toilets) wil= l prosecute to have disseminated defamatory information which caused wrong to my career and my family ", she added. A spokesman of the social services confirmed that no action was considered following the inspection. The singer known as to have lost 10 its continuation and working days in studio because of the denunciation. Moreover, it ensures that his/her son Jake, 11 years, was traumatis=E9 by the business. From jitr-owner Wed Feb 3 14:07:09 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id OAA05624 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:07:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from front4.grolier.fr (front4.grolier.fr [194.158.96.54]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id OAA05620 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:06:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from club-internet.fr (ppp-99-115.villette.club-internet.fr [194.158.99.115]) by front4.grolier.fr (8.9.0/MGC-980407-Frontal-No_Relay) with ESMTP id XAA18624; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 23:05:25 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <36B8C74D.CDDDC787@club-internet.fr> Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 23:01:49 +0100 From: "Marc-H." X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [fr] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bruno Autin , JITR Subject: Sinead O'Connor threatens to sue father of her child over abuse References: <36B8C3BF.23D9767E@club-internet.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Copyright © 1999 Nando Media Copyright © 1999 Agence France-Press LONDON (February 2, 1999 5:31 p.m. EST http://www.nandotimes.com) - Sinead O'Connor declared Tuesday she would sue the father of her daughter after allegations that she neglected two-year-old Roison were dismissed. O'Connor said Irish journalist John Waters' accusations arose out of "malice and vindictiveness." "It's the worst thing that you could accuse a person of, other than sexual abuse," she said from her home in the fashionable area of Camden, north London. "Camden Council have been down and inspected my house, inspected my children and inspected all of us, and are satisfied that there is no basis for the allegations. "I will be suing him for filing a malicious report and suing him for putting it in the papers, for the damage to my career and family life." A Camden Council spokesman confirmed that a social worker had visited the house and that they would not be taking the matter any further. O'Connor was angered by the emotional distress inflicted on her son Jake, 11. "He's worried that his sister might be removed from the house or that his Mammy is in trouble," she said. The singer and songwriter said she had lost 10 days' studio time as a result of the disruption at a cost of thousands of pounds. "Now John will have to go through the courts and let the judges work out how and when he can see Roisin. He has just made life much more difficult for himself." O'Connor and Waters, 37, had Roisin after she announced on a Dublin chat show that she wanted him to father her child. They were apart when the girl was born. The singer said the latest rift came about after she decided to fire one of her nannies. Waters, who also lives in London, then made a complaint to police about the care of the children. Marc-H. Le Noir a écrit (about the same paper in french): > Sinead O'Connor soupçonnée à tort de mauvais traitements envers son > enfant > > LONDRES, 2 fev (AFP) - La chanteuse irlandaise Sinead O'Connor a annoncé > mardi son intention de poursuivre en justice le > père de sa fille après que celui-ci l'eut accusée à tort de mauvais > traitements envers l'enfant. > > O'Connor, qui a elle-même raconté à plusiers reprises avoir été victime > de sévices de la part de sa mère dans son enfance, s'est > dite scandalisée des accusations du journaliste John Waters, père de son > deuxième enfant, Roisin, deux ans. > > "C'est la pire chose dont on peut accuser quelqu'un après les violences > sexuelles", a-t-elle déclaré. > > Sur dénonciation de Waters, les services sociaux de Camden (nord de > Londres) ont inspecté le domicile de la chanteuse et ses > enfants, a-t-elle raconté à la presse. > > "Ils ont estimé que les allégations étaient infondées mais je vais le > (Waters) poursuivre en justice pour avoir diffusé des > informations diffamatoires qui ont causé du tort à ma carrière et à ma > famille", a-t-elle ajouté. > > Un porte-parole des services sociaux a confirmé qu'aucune action n'était > envisagée à la suite de l'inspection. > > La chanteuse dit avoir perdu 10 jours de travail en studio en raison de > la dénonciation et de ses suites. > > En outre, elle assure que son fils Jake, 11 ans, a été traumatisé par > l'affaire. > > http://www.yahoo.fr/actualite/19990202/people/917988360-yaho108.html From jitr-owner Wed Feb 3 14:37:38 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id OAA05702 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:37:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from endeavor.med.nyu.edu (endeavor.med.nyu.edu [128.122.244.11]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id OAA05698 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:37:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from oem-computer (mcsv45-p12.med.nyu.edu [128.122.6.112]) by endeavor.med.nyu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA06565 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 17:37:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990203173737.0080a9a0@popmail.med.nyu.edu> X-Sender: petruc01@popmail.med.nyu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 17:37:37 -0500 To: jitr@postmodern.com From: Christian Petrulio Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ BELFAST NEWS SECTION: NEWS; Pg. 2 LENGTH: 90 words HEADLINE: SINGER 'TO SUE' FATHER BODY: SINGER Sinead O'Connor said yesterday she would sue her daughter's father for thousands after her local council dismissed child neglect allegations. O'Connor said journalist John Waters' allegations that she neglected two-year -old Roisin arose out of "malice and vindictiveness". A Camden Council spokesman confirmed that a social worker had visited the house and that they would not be taking the matter any further. Waters, who also lives in London, made a complaint at a police station about the care of the children. LANGUAGE: ENGLISH LOAD-DATE: February 3, 1999 From jitr-owner Wed Feb 3 14:39:44 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id OAA05742 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:39:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from endeavor.med.nyu.edu (endeavor.med.nyu.edu [128.122.244.11]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id OAA05738 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:39:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from oem-computer (mcsv45-p12.med.nyu.edu [128.122.6.112]) by endeavor.med.nyu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA04762 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 17:39:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990203173946.0080a9d0@popmail.med.nyu.edu> X-Sender: petruc01@popmail.med.nyu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 17:39:46 -0500 To: jitr@postmodern.com From: Christian Petrulio Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Copyright 1999 Midland Independent Newspapers plc =A0=20 Birmingham Post=20 February 3, 1999, Wednesday=20 SECTION: NEWS; Pg. 7=20 LENGTH: 270 words=20 HEADLINE: SINEAD TO SUE OVER ABUSE CLAIMS=20 BODY:=20 Singer Sinead O'Connor yesterday said she would sue her daughter's father for thousands after her local council dismissed child neglect allegations.= =20 O'Connor said journalist John Waters' allegations that she neglected two-year -old Roisin arose out of "malice and vindictiveness."=20 "It's the worst thing that you could accuse a person of, other than sexual abuse," the Irish star said.=20 She claims she was abused as a child herself.=20 "Camden Council have been down and inspected my house, inspected my children and inspected all of us, and are satisfied that there is no basis for the allegations," she said from her North London home.=20 "I will be suing him for filing a malicious report and suing him for putting it in the papers, for the damage to my career and family life."=20 A Camden Council spokesman confirmed that a social worker had visited the house and that they would not be taking the matter any further.=20 O'Connor was angered by the upset to her son Jake, aged 11.=20 She had lost ten days' studio time as a result of the disruption at a cost of thousands of pounds, she said.=20 "Now John will have to go through the courts and let the judges work out how and when he can see Roisin.=20 "He has just made life much more difficult for himself."=20 O'Connor and Irish journalist Waters, aged 37, had Roisin after she announced on a chat show that she wanted him to father her child, but they were apart when she was born.=20 She said the latest rift came about after she decided to sack one of her nannies. Waters made a complaint at a police station about the care of the children.=20 LANGUAGE: ENGLISH=20 LOAD-DATE: February 3, 1999=20 From jitr-owner Wed Feb 3 14:41:02 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id OAA05782 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:41:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from endeavor.med.nyu.edu (endeavor.med.nyu.edu [128.122.244.11]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id OAA05778 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:40:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from oem-computer (mcsv45-p12.med.nyu.edu [128.122.6.112]) by endeavor.med.nyu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA07140 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 17:40:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990203174105.0080b100@popmail.med.nyu.edu> X-Sender: petruc01@popmail.med.nyu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 17:41:05 -0500 To: jitr@postmodern.com From: Christian Petrulio Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Copyright 1999 MGN Ltd. =A0=20 The Mirror=20 February 3, 1999, Wednesday=20 SECTION: NEWS; Pg. 1=20 LENGTH: 129 words=20 HEADLINE: CLEARED: SINEAD TELLS OF HER DELIGHT AS SOCIAL WORKERS RULE SHE NEVER NEGLECTED HER DARLING DAUGHTER=20 BYLINE: By Nathan Yates=20 BODY:=20 SUPERSTAR Sinead O'Connor was yesterday cleared of neglecting her baby daughter - and vowed revenge on the man who sparked the investigation.=20 During a stormy custody battle, ex-boyfriend John Waters complained to social services that she was ill-treating their two-year-old girl Roisin.=20 But, following a probe by Camden Council, Sinead has been cleared of all wrong.=20 She plans to sue Waters for putting her through the trauma of the investigation and for publicly labelling her a bad mother.=20 In an exclusive interview with The Irish Mirror, the singer told of the pain she suffered during her on-off romance with the Irish Times columnist.= =20 Sinead says he used her as a baby-making machine before walking out on when she was eight months pregnant.=20 GRAPHIC: LOVING MOTHER: Sinead with daughter Roisin;; ALLEGATIONS: Ex-lover John Waters=20 LANGUAGE: ENGLISH=20 LOAD-DATE: February 3, 1999=20 From jitr-owner Wed Feb 3 14:47:17 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id OAA05863 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:47:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from endeavor.med.nyu.edu (endeavor.med.nyu.edu [128.122.244.11]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id OAA05859 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:47:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from oem-computer (mcsv45-p12.med.nyu.edu [128.122.6.112]) by endeavor.med.nyu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA06270 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 17:47:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990203174719.008083b0@popmail.med.nyu.edu> X-Sender: petruc01@popmail.med.nyu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 17:47:19 -0500 To: jitr@postmodern.com From: Christian Petrulio Subject: This one is interesting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Copyright 1999 MGN Ltd. =A0=20 The Mirror=20 February 3, 1999, Wednesday=20 SECTION: NEWS; Pg. 4, 5=20 LENGTH: 855 words=20 HEADLINE: WATERS IS A BULLY.. HE TREATED ME LIKE A PIECE OF DIRT - SINEAD O'CONNOR;=20 =A0FURIOUS SINGER DEMANDS JUSTICE AFTER BEING CLEARED OF CHILD NEGLECT=20 BYLINE: Exclusiveby Nathan Yates=20 BODY:=20 ROCK star Sinead O'Connor last night threatened to sue her daughter's father who alleged that she had mistreated the child.=20 In an exclusive interview with the Irish Mirror she slammed John Waters after being cleared by social services yesterday of neglecting the welfare of their two-year-old daughter Roisin.=20 She told how:=20 l Waters has never paid a penny of maintenance for Roisin=20 l He used her "like a battery hen" because he was desperate for a baby=20 l He wanted to marry her because his mother didn't approve of their relationship=20 l He dumped her when she was eight months pregnant and tried to have Roisin taken away when she was just eight weeks old.=20 She said: "I've never met anybody who treated me so despicably as John.=20 "I fell in love with him and I still love him now - I've always loved him and I wanted to have his baby.=20 "But I never want to set eyes on him again after what he has done.=20 "If I get in the same room as him I'll give him such a punch in the stomach he won't forget.=20 "I've spent days howling and crying in pain because of him."=20 Sinead, who also has a son, Jake, from a previous relationship, said she was completely shocked when she heard about the social services' investigation.=20 The probe came after Waters filed a complaint last week.=20 He went to see them after a huge row with the rock star over the sacking of Roisin's nanny.=20 Sinead said: "It's hard to believe he's capable of something like this - he must be going through some kind of crisis.=20 "Social services coming was harrowing - but it's only one of a series of experiences that have been very bullying.=20 "I don't want to get into a situation where I'm slagging him off. Both of those things are seriously disgusting.""=20 When Sinead first fell pregnant with Waters' baby it was claimed she had made an arrangement just to get pregnant.=20 But last night she revealed it was Waters who was desperate to have a child.= =20 She said: "John used me to get a baby - I was in a donor situation. I have been a donor for John.=20 "He was desperate to have children and he used me very badly.=20 "He used me like a battery hen."=20 The couple broke up when Sinead was eight weeks pregnant.=20 Sinead said it was Waters who dumped her when she was most vulnerable.=20 She said: "John stopped speaking to me and he didn't speak to me for the rest of the pregnancy.=20 "It was so cruel - I spent my time howling and crying.=20 "Then two days before he thought the child was due to be born he came to the door and said 'well done'.=20 "It was as though I had just passed some kind of test."=20 Waters, a writer for the Irish Times, claims he has been happy to pay maintenance for Roisin.=20 But Sinead says he has never paid anything. She said: "I have never denied access to John - he comes and stays with me. He comes whenever he wants.=20 "But he has never paid a penny for the upkeep of his child - I swear that on the lives of everybody I love.=20 "All he has paid is his own air fare to come from Ireland and visit her - that's it.=20 "When Roisin was eight weeks old he applied to take her away from me.=20 "My mother and father fought for custody of me and my sister when we were kids.=20 "He took a book about that to his lawyers. He said I wasn't fit to be a mother because I was abused as a child.=20 "His lawyer phoned me and told me I had met my match this time.=20 "She said 'I'm going to take your children away'. I told her Roisin was only eight weeks old and needed me.=20 "She said that my daughter was attached to me only because she was used to me and she would get used to somebody else.""=20 Sinead revealed she has had many hours of counselling to help her through the trauma of the relationship.=20 She blames Waters' mother for helping to cause the split.=20 She said: "We were friends. We agreed to have a baby, but we were friends too.=20 "Then his mother was ashamed of what we had done. I heard him talking to her on the phone and he was crying.=20 "He wanted us to get married but I wouldn't because I knew he didn't love me after the way he treated me.=20 "My son's father was the man who got me through Roisin's pregnancy."=20 Now the star says she will sue Waters for the damage his allegations have done to her career.=20 She said: "John's done all this to damage me and my career.=20 "People follow me round on the street telling me I neglect my children.=20 "I will sue him for making a malicious complaint against me - I have proof and evidence and I'm prepared to take the stand myself.=20 "I have had enough of being bullied around by John, and now I'm going to throw the book at him.=20 "He hasn't got the testosterone to beat me up which is what he really wants to do.=20 "He has always been a bullying character - he's treated me like an absolute piece of dirt.=20 "It would be very upsetting for anyone, but particularly for me after what happened to me as a child.=20 "He knows me and he knows just how to hurt me. He's using that knowledge now."=20 Last night a spokesman for Camden Council confirmed the investigation against Sinead had been dropped.=20 GRAPHIC: PICTURE OF YOU: Sinead O'Connor, holding a picture of herself, son Jake and daughter Roisin, is furious at the allegations made by John; Waters;; FATHER: John Waters, right, accused Sinead of neglecting Roisin=20 LANGUAGE: ENGLISH=20 LOAD-DATE: February 3, 1999=20 From jitr-owner Wed Feb 3 14:52:46 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id OAA05915 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:52:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from endeavor.med.nyu.edu (endeavor.med.nyu.edu [128.122.244.11]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id OAA05911 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:52:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from oem-computer (mcsv45-p12.med.nyu.edu [128.122.6.112]) by endeavor.med.nyu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA07780 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 17:52:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990203175248.008083b0@popmail.med.nyu.edu> X-Sender: petruc01@popmail.med.nyu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 17:52:48 -0500 To: jitr@postmodern.com From: Christian Petrulio Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Copyright 1999 MGN Ltd. =A0=20 The Mirror=20 February 1, 1999, Monday=20 SECTION: NEWS; Pg. 7=20 LENGTH: 636 words=20 HEADLINE: IF THEY WANT TO TAKE MY CHILD THEY WILL HAVE TO KILL ME;=20 =A0SINEAD IN CUSTODY ROW=20 BYLINE: By Pat Flanagan=20 BODY:=20 SINEAD O'Connor last night vowed to "fight to the death" any attempt to take her daughter away from her.=20 And she blasted the father of her child, Roisin, for making what she claimed were unfounded complaints to the police in London.=20 She now fears there is going to be a legal battle to decide who wins custody of the infant.=20 In an exclusive interview with the Irish Mirror she said that reports that she neglected her daughter, who will be three in March, are "vicious lies" and part of a campaign to take her child away.=20 Her comments came after reports that Roisin's father, writer John Waters, claimed he had been barred from Sinead's London home and then made a complaint to the Metropolitan police.=20 It was revealed that the social services in London may question the 33-year -old singer following the complaints.=20 However, a sobbing Sinead said it was one of the cruellest acts anyone has ever done to her.=20 She claims it is part of a plan to win custody of Roisin but last night vowed: "Roisin will be taken away from me over my dead body.=20 "This is all part of a plan to get Roisin away from me, but he will not succeed, I love my child and she is going to stay with me.=20 "This is one of the worst things you can do to a mother, it's cruel because it's unfounded and there is very little I can do about it.=20 "I have not been treated fairly by the media.=20 "Anyone can walk in to a police station and make a complaint, there's nothing I can do about that.=20 "They keep saying I used John Waters as a donor when I had Roisin, but that's not what I said at all, I said it was a donor situation.=20 "He used me.=20 "I was the donor, I carried the child and now he wants to take it away from me.=20 "But I will fight him every inch of the way in any court case.=20 "Why do they keep saying I chose John Waters because of his intelligence? This is not true but if I had done, I'd have made a big mistake."=20 She added that the police or social services were welcome to come to her house and check anything they want.=20 Irish Times columnist Waters made a complaint at Highgate Police Station on Wednesday afternoon after Sinead refused to allow him into her pounds 1 million London home.=20 She maintains she refused him entry because when he was in the house on Monday he flew into a rage when he learned Sinead had sacked the child's nanny.=20 "He's accusing me of not looking after Roisin, but nothing could be further from the truth," she said.=20 "I love her and my son Jake more than anything else in this world.=20 "I would die for them and will if necessary.=20 "This is an ordinary house and we are an ordinary family. Why is John making complaints now?=20 "He knew what I did for a living, I'm a singer but I'm as good a mother as any responsible woman.=20 "Before Roisin was born he is on record as saying that I would make a good mother and he even said he admired the way I was looking after Jake.=20 "He came to my door on Wednesday and wanted to get in but I would not let him because of his on behaviour on Monday.=20 "I had been at college and my 19-year-old qualified nanny was looking after Roisin.=20 "This is what he is saying is not looking after the child.=20 "I think it is despicable behaviour on his part, but I believe it's part of his strategy and that is ultimately to win custody of Roisin.=20 She revealed that neither John Waters nor the father of her son Jake, John Reynolds, make any financial contribution to their children.=20 Waters, who is Roisin's legal guardian, bought a house in London in the autumn to be near his daughter.=20 He has long been a high profile champion for the rights of male single parents and has written many articles criticising the law which he believes favours women when it comes to the custody of children.=20 GRAPHIC: BATTLE: John Waters, left, and Sinead O'Connor have become embroiled in a bitter dispute over their daughter, Roisin=20 LANGUAGE: ENGLISH=20 From jitr-owner Wed Feb 3 16:07:21 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id QAA06142 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:07:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from send101.yahoomail.com (send101.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.87]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id QAA06138 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:07:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19990204000542.9576.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.91.18.68] by send101.yahoomail.com; Wed, 03 Feb 1999 16:05:42 PST Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:05:42 -0800 (PST) From: Lion Cobra Reply-To: lion_cobra@yahoo.com Subject: WHAT THE F*** IS YOUR PROBLEM? To: jitr@postmodern.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ ......TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO THINK THEY KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT SINEAD: Excuse me for wanting to know her address! AND TO SARAH: I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO EVEN SHE HER AT A SHOW! and MARCEL: I AM SICK AND TIRED OF YOU...(I THOUGHT WE GOT THROUGH THIS ISSUE??? OBVIOUSLY NOT!) YEAH I DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT HER..I'M SURE THERE ARE SOME THINGS I DON'T NEED TO KNOW! but....WHY CAN'T YOU STOP INSULTING MY PAGE? YOU DID...YOU SAID....'FIND A HOMEPAGE A LITTLE MORE INTERESTING'...YOUR SAYING MY SITE ISN'T GOOD???? OOOOOH.....AND IF YOU THINK YOU KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT HER, WHY DON'T YOU (SINCE YOU THINK YOU ARE SO GREAT, FIND HER ADDRESS!) I AM SICK AND TIRED OF THE ANNOYING PEOPLE. --sorry..if i was just a little, just a little bit rude marcel :) == Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo and Criticism is prejudice made plausible--Lion Cobra _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From jitr-owner Wed Feb 3 19:08:44 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id TAA06631 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:08:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.14]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id TAA06626 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:08:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA24243 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:08:06 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:08:06 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199902040308.VAA24243@dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com> Received: from nyc-ny77-06.ix.netcom.com(209.109.228.198) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma024200; Wed Feb 3 21:07:43 1999 X-Sender: jntan@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: jitr@postmodern.com From: Ju Nguan Tan Subject: Times article Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ =20 February 4 1999 BRITAIN Audrey Magee reports on feud between Sinead O'Connor and the father of her daughter=20 =A9 Sinead O'Connor: "I thought I was going to faint when I heard what he did"=20 Photograph: PAUL ROGERS Singer to sue over child abuse claims=20 SINEAD O'CONNOR is to sue a former boyfriend after he told police and social services that she abused their child.=20 The multimillionaire Irish singer was cleared of the allegations after a visit from Camden social services this week. She told The Times yesterday that she was suing John Waters, an Irish journalist, for defamation and maliciously claiming that she neglected and emotionally abused their two-year-old daughter.=20 Mr Waters, a columnist on The Irish Times who divides his time between London and Dublin, had reported Ms O'Connor to police and social services in North London last week. O'Connor said he had made five allegations, including one that implied she had a drug habit. She has admitted smoking cannabis.=20 Social services called at her home in Highgate on Monday afternoon and, after a 90-minute meeting, exonerated the singer. A spokesman for Camden social services yesterday confirmed that they had visited O'Connor's house. He said: "We went to follow up a complaint that had been made by a former boyfriend and we followed it up. We are not planning to take further action."=20 Yesterday the singer said: "This was an absolutely disgraceful thing for him [Mr Waters] to do. A lot of people know that whatever you can say about me, being a bad mother is not one of them. They know I have been a very loving and conscientious mother."=20 O'Connor, 32, has rejected all Mr Waters's claims. She added: "I do not take drugs - I smoke a little weed now and again, which I told the social workers and they laughed. I do not take drink or any other drugs. Everybody knows that."=20 O'Connor, who was abused as a child by her alcoholic and drug-dependent mother, said she had been deeply wounded by Mr Waters's action. "I thought I was going to faint when I heard what he did. Coming from the family that I did and having been taken into care, my greatest fear is being told that I was unfit to look after my children. But I handled it. They assured me I was a good mother."=20 The often acrimonious relationship between O'Connor and Mr Waters, 37, began in Dublin in 1995. He had written about the singer in glowing terms the previous year.=20 They decided, soon after meeting, to have a baby. She insisted at the time they were not lovers, but friends in "a donor situation". She embarrassed him by suggesting he was no more than a sperm donor. They parted when she was pregnant and only spoke again shortly before the birth, which he attended.=20 Mr Waters uses his newspaper column to complain about the unfair treatment he says is meted out to fathers, particularly those separated from the mothers of their children.=20 Mr Waters, who was not available for comment yesterday, sees his daughter, Rois=EDn, almost every week and takes her to Ireland on holidays. He is teaching her Irish to ensure she remembers her roots.=20 O'Connor says she will sue Mr Waters for defamation in London and Dublin and is considering her legal options in relation to malicious reporting, which is a crime in Ireland. She said: "I will never interfere in his relationship with Rois=EDn, but I will not let anybody do what he has done to me. He wants me to look like a hypocrite. I do not want his money because that would hurt his daughter. But I will hear a judge say, 'You have been defamed by this man and should be getting all his money'. I am going to take =A31."=20 From jitr-owner Wed Feb 3 19:16:37 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id TAA06682 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:16:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from barley.adnc.com (barley.adnc.com [206.251.228.31]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id TAA06678 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:16:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.adnc.com (adnline221-242.adnc.com [209.216.221.242]) by barley.adnc.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA06034 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:16:31 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990203191634.008efd20@mail.adnc.com> X-Sender: srian@mail.adnc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 19:16:34 -0800 To: jitr@postmodern.com From: Steve Rian Subject: John Waters Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ I was happy to read Sinead has been cleared of child neglect charges and even more happy that to read she plans to sue John Waters for defamation. I hope she takes that bastard for every penny he has, however, as an attorney I don't believe she has much of a chance at trial. Who is John Waters anyway? Does anyone know what this guy does? The article I read said he met her through an interview. Is he a journalist? Steve From jitr-owner Wed Feb 3 21:06:08 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id VAA07054 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:06:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (root@proxy3.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id VAA07050 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:06:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from eagle (analogue.vip.best.com [204.156.141.189]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.9.2/8.9.2/best.out) with SMTP id VAA27805; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:03:35 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: From: "Daniel Duncan" To: "Steve Rian" , Subject: RE: John Waters Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:02:36 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990203191634.008efd20@mail.adnc.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Of course Sinead is in a tough position. How to protect her child while preserving her relation with her father. The father is probably bitter about not being able to see his child, and maybe bitter about his lack of relationship with Sinead, and that has probably driven him to desperate measures. What a mess! They could both use more prayer or good wishes than journalistic commentary. The newspapers don't really care anything except what sells newspapers and therefore advertising, so take everything you read in "the media" with several grains of salt.... dunc -----Original Message----- From: owner-jitr@postmodern.com [mailto:owner-jitr@postmodern.com]On Behalf Of Steve Rian Sent: Thursday, February 04, 1999 3:17 AM To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: John Waters I was happy to read Sinead has been cleared of child neglect charges and even more happy that to read she plans to sue John Waters for defamation. I hope she takes that bastard for every penny he has, however, as an attorney I don't believe she has much of a chance at trial. Who is John Waters anyway? Does anyone know what this guy does? The article I read said he met her through an interview. Is he a journalist? Steve From jitr-owner Wed Feb 3 21:53:35 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id VAA07354 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:53:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (f104.hotmail.com [207.82.250.223]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id VAA07350 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:53:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 29323 invoked by uid 0); 4 Feb 1999 05:53:02 -0000 Message-ID: <19990204055302.29322.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.187.24.109 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Feb 1999 21:53:01 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.187.24.109] From: "Ben Adams" To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: So Far / Roisin Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 21:53:01 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ >Sinead says he used her as a baby-making machine before walking out on when >she was eight months pregnant.=20 > >GRAPHIC: LOVING MOTHER: Sinead with daughter Roisin I wonder if the current words in the So Far album (by John Waters) will now be removed... If I were her I know I would change them. Another question: has anyone seen a picture of Roisin? 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Eduard --=====================_3571083==_.ALT-- From jitr-owner Thu Feb 4 04:48:38 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id EAA10182 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 04:48:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from gold.com.br (gold-3.horizontes.com.br [200.215.160.64]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id EAA10178 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 04:48:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from default (line0303.horizontes.com.br [200.215.163.12]) by gold.com.br (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA18811 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:48:28 -0200 Message-ID: <36B99A2E.6096@horiz.com.br> Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 11:01:34 -0200 From: "Christiane R. Albuquerque" Reply-To: newskria@horiz.com.br X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Re: WHAT THE F*** IS YOUR PROBLEM? References: <19990204000542.9576.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Lion Cobra wrote: > OOOOOH.....AND IF YOU THINK YOU KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT HER, WHY DON'T > YOU (SINCE YOU THINK YOU ARE SO GREAT, FIND HER ADDRESS!) Eeeerrrr... cos he has more interesting things to do?????? Chris -- ************************************************************************ "Though i'm older than my looks And older than my years I'm too young to take on My deepest fears Oh, I used to be confused But now I just don't know Since you left I've been watching Blue skies come and go" (Pal Waaktaar) ************************************************************************ http://homepages.infoseek.com/~krikaa/krikaa.html The Reason I Wear Black! THE Keith Scott's page: http://keithscott.bryanadams.net OR http://www.gold.com.br/~newskria From jitr-owner Thu Feb 4 05:18:35 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id FAA10256 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 05:18:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from degas.telebyte.nl (root@degas.telebyte.nl [194.235.214.15]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id FAA10252 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 05:18:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from jarb (tc1-53.tc.telebyte.nl [194.235.222.182]) by degas.telebyte.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA00270 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:18:25 +0100 Message-ID: <001901be5040$cef8e660$97deebc2@jarb> From: "Mars-L" To: "Jitr-digest" Subject: L&C / Not really interesting & Not really Sinead related Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:16:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content