From jitr-owner Sun Nov 1 00:16:04 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id AAA23123 for jitr-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 00:16:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from callisto.uwinnipeg.ca (root@callisto.uwinnipeg.ca [142.132.1.23]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id AAA23119 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 00:16:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from BilalRana (sdi3m11.uwinnipeg.ca [142.132.52.12]) by callisto.uwinnipeg.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA19586 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 02:15:35 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001801be0570$0c60d060$0c34848e@BilalRana> From: "Bilal Rana" To: "Jitr-digest" Subject: opposite to patriarchy? title? Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 02:17:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ hello all, i recall that approximately a year or so ago during a discussion over the Greer quote on UM, someone suggested that the opposite to patriarchy is not fraternity either. They also cited a book as the source for their ideas. Can the person who posted that message perhaps name that book again. I've long since lost that email. It would be much appreciated Thank You very much p.s. if someone else on the list remembers what that book recommendation was, please mail me. :) From jitr-owner Sun Nov 1 00:22:21 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id AAA23164 for jitr-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 00:22:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19981101003233.22831.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Ben Adams" To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: TRIBUTE!! Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 16:32:30 PST Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ I had this message all ready to send last night, and then my Internet connection got all screwy. Luckily I saved the message, so here goes... Hello everyone. I've compiled a complete list of all the songs people have requested to cover for the tribute, and I'm afraid we won't be able to accept any more, because we probably won't be able to fit all these on one CD as it is (we have 19 now, though it is a 74 minute disc)... For that reason I think we need to be very selective about exactly which songs we use; i.e. I don't think we should use any songs that Sinéad was only covering herself. If anyone disagrees, feel free to express your viewpoint. Also, I think we should just allow one song per person, because the room on the disc will be quite limited. BUT if anyone wants to record more than one they can send it to whoever compiles it (more on that at the end of this message), and then the best one will be used! With those things in mind, here is the revised and updated list of what everyone has asked to do, or is willing to do: NAME + E-MAIL + POSSIBLE CONTRIBUTION ***************************************************** ***************************************************** PICTURE SLEEVE: Johnny johnny@netspace.com.mx graphic design Ana heroine@wgn.net Sinéad painting ***************************************************** ***************************************************** SONGS: ***************************************************** rudy ROUXDEIGH@aol.com (prefer to do something simply a capella) >>I AM STRETCHED ON YOUR GRAVE >>THIS IS A REBEL SONG a capella or on acoustic guitar >>I DO NOT WANT WHAT I HAVEN'T GOT ***************************************************** Holli hmm@minn.net >>MY DARLING CHILD sing/alone. harp ***************************************************** Johnny johnny@netspace.com.mx >>one song for her that i performed and recorded before [what is it?] ***************************************************** Bruno/Sophie Bruno bautin@club-internet.fr >>PETIT POULET, the french part Sophie Sophie.Connetable@u-bourgogne.fr >>PETIT POULET, the english part ***************************************************** Sophie Sophie.Connetable@u-bourgogne.fr >>THE EMPORER'S NEW CLOTHES >>A PERFECT INDIAN >>YOU MADE ME THE THIEF OF YOUR HEART ***************************************************** Mélissa mguay@ptm.ca >>JUST LIKE U SAID IT WOULD B >>DONALD-O ***************************************************** shannon Wir113@aol.com >>MY SPECIAL CHILD solo or with piano (would need some guidance on how to find the sheet music) ***************************************************** DJO DJO27@aol.com >>THE LAST DAY OF OUR ACQUAINTANCE ***************************************************** Chris newskria@horiz.com.br >>I AM STRETCHED ON YOUR GRAVE (a capella) >>YOU CAUSE AS MUCH SORROW >>THE LAST DAY OF OUR ACQUAINTANCE ***************************************************** daniel soz96cno@studserv.uni-leipzig.de in a rock band, accompained with semi-acoustic guitar and vocals, arrange it my way >>A PERFECT INDIAN ***************************************************** Tigris TigrisRi@aol.com >>DRINK BEFORE THE WAR >>BLACK BOYS ON MOPEDS ***************************************************** Ben bengriffin@hotmail.com >>TROY ***************************************************** Jeff mandinka@home.com acoustic versions >>THIS IS A REBEL SONG >>THE EMPORER'S NEW CLOTHES >>REDEMPTION SONG >>PETIT POULET >>NOTHING COMPARES 2 U ***************************************************** caesar Caesar76@aol.com >>THE LAST DAY OF OUR ACQUAINTANCE >>BLACK BOYS ON MOPEDS maybe someone would like to sing along to my recording because i'm not a great singer, but i play the guitar pretty good ***************************************************** Viera novakova@golem.gymzv.sk >>ALL BABIES >>THIS IS TO MOTHER YOU ***************************************************** Mandy mandyg@RotaryWatches.com >>JOHN I LOVE YOU >>ON RAGLAN ROAD >>SHE MOVED THROUGH THE FAIR >>DONALD O >>I'M NOT YOUR BABY (Who is willing to do the "Bono" vox and duet with me??) >>STILL LISTENING ***************************************************** lindsay (& others??) Lndsy@aol.com >>IN THIS HEART ***************************************************** Deniz denizceb@artemis.efes.net.tr >>TINY GRIEF SONG a capella ***************************************************** Jason/Jim holechek@csulb.edu >>at this point I've not selected a song. I plan to have vocals, elec. and acoustic guitars, bass, drum synth, and keyboards. ***************************************************** ***************************************************** AND here is a simplified listing of all the songs with all the people who've said they'd be willing to do them... So they need to contact each other (all the e-mails are listed above) and decide for sure who will do what. I put the "covers of covers" at the bottom, and I think we should reject them, because they're not written by Sinéad (I'm not sure if I'm Not Your Baby was co-written by her, but I don't think it was--I think she just sang on it...) I Am Stretched On Your Grave RUDY, CHRIS This IS A Rebel Song RUDY, JEFF I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got RUDY My Darling Child HOLLI Petit Poulet BRUNO/SOPHIE, JEFF The Emporer's New Clothes SOPHIE, JEFF A Perfect Indian SOPHIE, DANIEL Just Like U Said It Would B MELISSA My Special Child SHANNON The Last Day of Our Acquaintance DJO, CHRIS, CAESAR You Cause As Much Sorrow CHRIS Drink Before the War TIGRIS Black Boys On Mopeds TIGRIS, CAESAR Troy BEN All Babies VIERA This Is To Mother You VIERA John I Love You MANDY Still Listening MANDY In This Heart LINDSAY Tiny Grief Song DENIZ THESE I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD USE, because Sinéad didn't write them: You Made Me The Thief Of Your Heart SOPHIE Donald-O MELISSA, MANDY Redemption Song JEFF Nothing Compares 2 U JEFF On Raglan Road MANDY She Moved Through The Fair MANDY I'm Not Your Baby MANDY And if anyone cares, here's what I would like to see everyone do: Rudy: This IS A Rebel Song Holli: My Darling Child Johnny: ??? Bruno/Sophie: Petit Poulet Mélissa: Just Like U Said It Would B Shannon: My Special Child DJO: The Last Day of Our Acquaintance Chris: You Cause As Much Sorrow Daniel: A Perfect Indian Tigris: Drink Before The War Ben: Troy Jeff: The Emporer's New Clothes Caesar: Black Boys On Mopeds Viera: All Babies Mandy: Still Listening Lindsay: In This Heart Deniz: Tiny Grief Song Jason/Jim: ??? Well, that's just me looking at the figures and seeing what everyone offered to do, but I think there may still be debate over who does a song such as Last Day Of Our Acquaintance... So this is just an idea of how it could be, but please communicate with each other and then let me know what you've decided. Just a couple comments: I really hope Mandy does Still Listening--this is an old classic that actually few people have heard, because it was only released on a single. But it's a great song. And I'm VERY glad Viera would do All Babies; PLEASE do that instead of This Is To Mother You (which is also a great song, but All Babies deserves some special attention)... I think All Babies is one of the best songs Sinéad has ever written. At first I thought it was quite odd, and now I think it's so powerful and beautiful. So this is a way of bringing out a great song that's often overlooked! That's why I'd also love to hear You Cause As Much Sorrow on this. I'm also trying to convince Holli to do a very calm, melodic Fire On Babylon with harp (!), but of course that's up to her! I think this album needs Fire On Babylon somewhere! (I used to not like FOB, but now after hearing it LIVE and the Eternal Recurrence Remix I've come to appreciate it more deeply... great song.) I really hope everyone will fit onto the CD. If not I'm afraid the only fair thing would be to include the people who responded first... or does anyone have a better idea?? We gave several days to respond... I'm thrilled that so many people want to be involved, but I'm also sad to see that we might not all fit. BUT I think it might just work... Some songs may end up being quite short (e.g. Tiny Grief Song), so let's hope it will work!! I'm sure we'll find a way! Faith and Courage, just like it says on Sinéad's mantlepiece in her home!! Tonight I talked to my friend about recording it onto CD, and I'll find more info. next week, but for $75 an hour (don't gasp yet) I could get a guy to dub all the songs onto a CD AND use a mixer or something to equalize the volume of all the songs, so it would be a very professional, high-quality recording. And I think if I get the whole thing well-organized, it could all be done in 2 or 3 hours. So the maximum would probably be $200 or so. And this may sound strange, but what if everyone who contributes pitched in to pay for the production? I think it would only end up being between $10 and $15 per person, and it would be part of our "Thank You" to Sinéad. I know that sounds demanding to ask people who are already contributing talent to contribute money too, but I can't think of anything else... and I think we all agree that we should get the best sound possible from this. And I agree with Ross that we should just call it "a demo" and sell it for ONLY the cost of a disc and the shipping (and the cost of reproducing the art for the sleeve). So part of my justification for saying all the performers could pitch in is that way it's definitely NOT a profit-producing venture, and we're basically just paying to put our "demos" onto a disc and then letting other people copy them onto discs they paid for--but we wouldn't get any profit for doing the songs. I hope this idea doesn't offend anyone, and please remember at this point it's "just an idea..." And if you have a better one, PLEASE post it! But I personally feel that if Sinéad has impacted our lives a great deal, $10 or $15 wouldn't be a huge donation for telling her Thank You and showing each other our interpretations of her music--and I wouldn't be at all surprised if Our Lady herself ended up with a copy... and I'm sure she'd be flattered. So please respond to all this, everyone who wants to get involved... By the way, if someone on this list would provide this service for free (someone who has the knowledge and access to equipment--not just a regular CD-burner), that would be the best solution! Please contact me if you can do this, I would be tempted to worship you if you could do it for free... And of course I would be very happy to organize all the tapes and then send you one big package with all the tapes and instructions on the order of the songs, etc. Also, I'm excited to say Johnny has been doing some wonderful things to design the cover, and if anyone has any contributions or ideas for him, then contact him directly (his e-mail is listed above). I think he might be looking for peoples' pictures or something--maybe he can explain this... of course for now the important thing is deciding how we're going to approach this financially, choosing our songs, and then recording them!! I'll post info. when I find out about this guy who records professional CDs--who knows, maybe I'll be able to cut a good deal with him; I've been known to be good at that. If we could get it all recorded for $100 that, I think, would be unbelievable. Anyway, I'll tell you when I find out. I can't believe I'm writing so much when I know I should be studying. Take care everyone, and thank you many times over for everyones' contributions!! #Ben P.S. The other night I had this great dream about "The Land of Gospel Oak." It was a beautiful island with calm waters, and I swam from the waters onto the land, and then I walked around on this amazing, calm, green landscape, and I heard Sinéad from far away, singing something very soothing, but I couldn't see her. The funny thing is that in the dream it was really called The Land of Gospel Oak! I've had lots of Sinéad dreams over the years, in many of which I've met her (this dream came true for me in August 1997!) I'm curious to know other peoples' Sinéad dreams... From jitr-owner Sun Nov 1 00:23:34 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id AAA23202 for jitr-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 00:23:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from callisto.uwinnipeg.ca (root@callisto.uwinnipeg.ca [142.132.1.23]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id AAA23198 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 00:23:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from BilalRana (sdi3m11.uwinnipeg.ca [142.132.52.12]) by callisto.uwinnipeg.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA19781 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 02:23:24 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001a01be0571$23cc7dc0$0c34848e@BilalRana> From: "Bilal Rana" To: "Jitr-digest" Subject: This IS a Rebel Song Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 02:25:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ hello jitr, I was discussing This IS a Rebel song with one me friends. I asked her what her reaction was to the extreme imagery in the opening of the song: "I love you my hard Englishman Your rage is like a fist in my womb." Her response totally caught me by surprise. She said: "My response? 'Damn you Peter. Damn You!' " HA! later, bilal :) p.s. fer those who perhaps didn't get it, me friend was referring to Peter Gabriel not pursuing a relationship with Sinead. From jitr-owner Sun Nov 1 09:46:42 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id JAA25038 for jitr-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 09:46:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (f32.hotmail.com [207.82.250.43]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id JAA25034 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 09:46:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13480 invoked by uid 65534); 1 Nov 1998 17:46:08 -0000 Message-ID: <19981101174608.13479.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.49.61.67 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 01 Nov 1998 09:46:08 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.49.61.67] From: "Ben Adams" To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: tribute : In This Heart Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 09:46:08 PST Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Just to let "y'all" know--Lindsay won't be doing In This Heart (great idea, but it probably won't work out), so if someone who had another song wants to do this instead, they can (just let me know)... And I think it would be great if In This Heart were on the album somewhere, because I have a particular love for that song. But that's just me. #Ben >ben- >just want to let you know i'm not going to do in this heart. i'm soooo sorry >for saying i was and now backing out. there is just no way i'm gonna do it by >myself and it would be really hard to get more than one voice on a recording >with out them being actually present. so thank you for including me on the >list but hopefully this will help to make more room for the others > >lindsay =) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jitr-owner Sun Nov 1 13:36:46 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id NAA25854 for jitr-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 13:36:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from degas.telebyte.nl (degas.telebyte.nl [194.235.214.15]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id NAA25850 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 13:36:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from jarb (tc1-02.tc.telebyte.nl [194.235.222.131]) by degas.telebyte.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA07549 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 22:36:32 +0100 Message-ID: <001501be05df$860b83a0$83deebc2@jarb> From: "Mars-L" To: "Jitr-digest" Subject: Sinead wanted to be a prostitute ???? Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 22:35:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello, In a dutch-magazine (VARA-gids) I wrote an article about a famous (dutch) pop-journalist named "Jip Goldsteijn". He is writing reviews already since (or even before) Woodstock, has interviewed Elvis, Beatles, Jagger several times and more of such big or even bigger (if possible) names. And he wrote several detailed books. In this interview he mentions the next (new to me) thing; ......."Sometimes I receive christmas-cards from artists. Sinead O'Connor did send them to me for years. With the notice that she still isn't a prostitute. I interviewed her when she was very young, about 18, and I found out that she once was thinking about becoming a prostitute. We had a serious discussion about that. That's why I received those cards"...... Anyone ever heard about this ?? To be honest I wasn't really surprised by it. According to my knowledge this period in her live (when she was 18) wasn't her best period. I was hoping to find this article on Internet (the one when she was 18) but I could not even found anything on the keywords "goldsteijn". For the dutch; Aankomende woensdag is er een interview met hem te zien op Nederland1 in TeeVee Studio van 23.48-00.23 Naar ik mag aannemen is bovenstaande misschien een citaat uit dit programma. --- Mars-L ------------------------------------------------------------ Co-editor of the Sinead O'Connor Mainpage http://sinead-oconnor.com --- bobbink@telebyte.nl ------------------------------------------ From jitr-owner Sun Nov 1 19:26:00 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id TAA27315 for jitr-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 19:26:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from merchant.amb.kz ([195.82.6.130]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id TAA27311 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 19:25:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by MERCHANT with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:27:22 +0600 Message-ID: <9E1A73CFA562D21188D900203575A3000159F9@MERCHANT> From: "Zhanet B. Turarbekova" To: Jitr-digest , Bilal Rana Subject: RE: This IS a Rebel Song Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:27:22 +0600 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="KOI8-R" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ hi all actually I'm not surprised some of my friends and even my MOM thinks = tha same about PG well I find this ward particularly with deep meaning. with love and peace Janet ------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------ Zhanet B. Turarbekova Almaty Merchant Bank tel: (3272)503040 ext. 1219 "fight the real enemy!" fax: (3272) 501995 SINEAD O'CONNOR > ---------- > From: Bilal Rana[SMTP:brana@callisto.uwinnipeg.ca] > Sent: 1 =CE=CF=D1=C2=D2=D1 1998 =C7. 14:25 > To: Jitr-digest > Subject: This IS a Rebel Song >=20 > hello jitr, >=20 > I was discussing This IS a Rebel song with one me friends. I asked > her what > her reaction was to the extreme imagery in the opening of the song: >=20 > "I love you my hard Englishman > Your rage is like a fist in my womb." >=20 > Her response totally caught me by surprise. She said: >=20 > "My response? 'Damn you Peter. Damn You!' " >=20 > HA! >=20 > later, >=20 > bilal :) >=20 > p.s. fer those who perhaps didn't get it, me friend was referring to > Peter > Gabriel not pursuing a relationship with Sinead. >=20 From jitr-owner Sun Nov 1 23:51:33 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id XAA28713 for jitr-outgoing; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 23:51:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk (cheviot.ncl.ac.uk [128.240.233.51]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id XAA28706 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 23:51:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from black.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.7.6/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 07:51:11 GMT Message-Id: <199811020751.HAA00041@cheviot.ncl.ac.uk> From: "jo" To: jo , Deniz Cebe Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 07:52:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Tribute Album / Lyric Changes CC: jitr@postmodern.com In-reply-to: <3639982C.3B7144C3@artemis.efes.net.tr> Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ .deniz i apologise for appearing "one-sided" but i felt really annoyed by the suggestion of changing lyrics. I believe altering lyrics is altering the meaning of the song which exists to represent the artist's views/feelings and attitudes. For example, would you smooth out the strokes of a Van Gogh to make it more comfortable on the eye. Any appreciation of say, sinead o'connor's music, includes appreciation of the lyrical content, melody and the way that it is presented vocally. In recording a version of the song with changed lyricsthat alter the very meaning of the song would, for me, produce an article so far from the original that it would bear no resemblance whatsoever and I would wonder why bother at all. **jo** > Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:42:53 +0200 > From: Deniz Cebe > To: jo > Cc: jitr@postmodern.com > Subject: Re: Tribute Album / Lyric Changes > dear jo, > when you are saying "don't do it", i think you should state your reasons for > that. > don't forget, the key is discussion, not one-sided comments. > always with love, > deniz > > jo wrote: > > > um > > i think i was saying > > DON'T DO IT > > > > **jo** > > > > l> Date: Thu, > > 29 Oct 1998 20:21:47 +0200 > > > From: Deniz Cebe > > > To: Jo Semlyen > > > Subject: Re: Tribute Album / Lyric Changes > > > > > I'm afraid I couldn't understand what you meant. Can you please be more > > > open? > > > Always with love, > > > Deniz > > > > > > Jo Semlyen wrote: > > > > > > > mmm > > > > thought provoking after all > > > > > > > > deniz > > > > DON'T EVEN GO THERE > > > > > > > > **jo** > > > > > > > > On Thu, 29 Oct 1998, Deniz Cebe wrote: > > > > > > > > > I've been thinking about my version of the song for two days and I > > > > > decided to make some changes. What I mean is about lyrics, the music > > > > > will stay > > > > > the same. I want to make it into a song of love and thanks rather than > > > > > pain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From jitr-owner Mon Nov 2 00:32:04 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id AAA00850 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 00:32:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (f12.hotmail.com [207.82.250.23]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id AAA00846 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 00:32:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 24328 invoked by uid 65534); 2 Nov 1998 08:31:29 -0000 Message-ID: <19981102083129.24327.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 203.120.90.80 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 02 Nov 1998 00:31:28 PST X-Originating-IP: [203.120.90.80] From: "kai chai" To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: dave/sinead/natalie Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 00:31:28 PST Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ hi jitr pple, chanced upon this story abt dave stewart collaborating with natalie imbruglia and sinead at: cgi.pathfinder.com/ew/daily/0%2C2514%2C523%2C00.html there's a small mention abt how natalie and sinead are getting alone fine, which explains why both appeared for dave stewart's gig on chris evans show.    E n t e r t a i n m e n t  W e e k l y  O n l i n e h o m e  News Posted:   Oct 23, 1998, 1:00 a.m. Dave's Raves What do Natalie Imbruglia and Sinead O'Connor have in common? by Tom Sinclair   Natalie Imbruglia Dave Stewart is teaming up with Australian singer Natalie Imbruglia to cowrite and coproduce her next album. Stewart, who recently released his sixth solo effort, "Sly-Fi," says he met Imbruglia by chance six or seven months ago in a London restaurant. "She sat down at the table next to me and we started talking, and she ended up coming to my flat and staying until about two in the morning." The two got it on -- creatively, that is. "We started singing and playing the acoustic guitar, and we sort of hit it off. We arranged to work on a song together, and that turned into five songs, and that turned into going on holiday together, which in turn became a long-lasting ¿professionalÁ relationship." Stewart says the pair will continue to collaborate with an eye toward entering the studio next spring, when he also plans to begin directing his first feature-length film, "Honest," which he describes as "a romantic black comedy in the 'Harold and Maude' tradition." The fecund singer-songwriter is currently writing and producing tunes with another comely young songstress, Sinéad O'Connor, whom he reports "gets on quite well with Natalie." Hmmm. Maybe he should have called his new al ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jitr-owner Mon Nov 2 00:57:46 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id AAA00903 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 00:57:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from exchange.rotarywatches.com ([193.133.137.242]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id AAA00899 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 00:57:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by mailhost.rotarywatches.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 08:52:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20204F99FE6FD211BA3A0060085CF48E034799@mailhost.rotarywatches.com> From: Mandy Green To: "'Gogobooty3@aol.com'" , jitr@postmodern.com Subject: RE: SIGN ON!!! Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 08:52:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Er, well, um aren't you going to share it then????? Mandy - confused ! -----Original Message----- From: Gogobooty3@aol.com [SMTP:Gogobooty3@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, October 31, 1998 1:32 AM To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: SIGN ON!!! i have BIG NEWS!!! From jitr-owner Mon Nov 2 00:59:22 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id AAA00941 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 00:59:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from exchange.rotarywatches.com ([193.133.137.242]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id AAA00937 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 00:59:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by mailhost.rotarywatches.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 08:54:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20204F99FE6FD211BA3A0060085CF48E03479A@mailhost.rotarywatches.com> From: Mandy Green To: "'Charlie Baltimore'" , jitr@postmodern.com Subject: RE: Go Go Go GARBAGE!!! (No Sinead content) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 08:54:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Ditto the French band AIR who played an amazing gig at London's Drury Lane Theatre last night. What a cool band!! Mandy -----Original Message----- From: Charlie Baltimore [SMTP:kak2395@is4.nyu.edu] Sent: Saturday, October 31, 1998 8:53 PM To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Go Go Go GARBAGE!!! (No Sinead content) I just HAD to share how AMAZING Garbage's concert was last night! It was so fucking groovy. Any Garbage fans in the house? To anyone who's interested, I'll send a review/set list. Kevin K. "I thought I tasted of too many cigarettes, But you tasted of wine" From jitr-owner Mon Nov 2 01:05:45 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id BAA01062 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 01:05:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.acusd.edu (www.acusd.edu [192.55.87.16]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id BAA01058 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 01:05:43 -0800 (PST) From: holechek@csulb.edu Received: (from www@localhost) by www.acusd.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA29475 for jitr@postmodern.com; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 01:05:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 01:05:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199811020905.BAA29475@www.acusd.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: www.acusd.edu: www set sender to holechek@csulb.edu using -f Subject: tribute album Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ my first choice of songs for this album would be Black Boys on Mopeds, but since that doesn't seem to be available why don't you tentatively put down Three Babies for now. I'm pretty sure this is what we will do (unless Caesar would like to give me the chance to Black Boys :P) Also there is a slight chance that we may do Just Call Me Joe, so you might put that down as a secondary possibility. We should make a definate choice in the next couple days. By the way, what is the time table going to be like on this? I was hoping we would have a couple months to get our songs in...is that possible or are we in a hurry for any reason? Is it acceptable to add our own flavor and/or interpretation of the song we're doing, besides changing the actual lyrics? Thank you, Jason and Jim Holechek From jitr-owner Mon Nov 2 01:08:54 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id BAA01122 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 01:08:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from exchange.rotarywatches.com ([193.133.137.242]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id BAA01118 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 01:08:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by mailhost.rotarywatches.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:03:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20204F99FE6FD211BA3A0060085CF48E03479C@mailhost.rotarywatches.com> From: Mandy Green To: "'Bilal Rana'" , Jitr-digest Subject: RE: This IS a Rebel Song Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:03:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Dear Bilal I doubt this interpretation very much - Sinead is well over her problems with Peter and would hardly rehash old ground in music recorded in 1997 - 7 years is a long time to bear a grudge....besides, she's already explained the meaning behind the metaphorical lyrics in untold interviews upon GO's release. Mandy -----Original Message----- From: Bilal Rana [SMTP:brana@callisto.uwinnipeg.ca] Sent: Sunday, November 01, 1998 8:25 AM To: Jitr-digest Subject: This IS a Rebel Song hello jitr, I was discussing This IS a Rebel song with one me friends. I asked her what her reaction was to the extreme imagery in the opening of the song: "I love you my hard Englishman Your rage is like a fist in my womb." Her response totally caught me by surprise. She said: "My response? 'Damn you Peter. Damn You!' " HA! later, bilal :) p.s. fer those who perhaps didn't get it, me friend was referring to Peter Gabriel not pursuing a relationship with Sinead. From jitr-owner Mon Nov 2 02:13:34 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id CAA01414 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 02:13:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from andromeda.hosts.netdirect.net.uk (andromeda.hosts.netdirect.net.uk [195.7.224.147]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id CAA01410 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 02:13:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from 195.7.225.46 by andromeda.hosts.netdirect.net.uk (8.8.5/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA32654; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 10:13:21 GMT Message-ID: <363C516D.1C21@ndirect.co.uk> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 12:17:49 +0000 From: Ross Martin Reply-To: spartacus@ndirect.co.uk X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ben Adams CC: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Re: TRIBUTE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ I think I might have said this before, so apologies if I'm repeating myself; but unless you know what you're dealing with it's very hard to compile an album from songs you haven't heard: alright, you know the songs, but not the performances. What happens if the one sanctioned version of a song turns out to be truly excruciating? Perhaps it would be best to simply leave the doors open for ANY contributions up to a deadline and then just pick the best version. That should be a deadline for completed recordings, not promises. With the best will in the world, we've all got lives and some promised versions might not get done. I admit to a little self interest here. I wasn't sure if I would try anything but I've been experimenting with an interesting Indian influenced version of Stretched On Your Grave and am now fairly confident of completing it. I didn't offer anything because I wanted to see if I (A) could and (B) would have the time to do anything worthwhile. Others might be in the same situation of wanting to look before they jump ( in the river? :-P). One other thing: how many copies are we talking about here? I mean is the idea to ask somebody with a CD burner to do a production run? Or have you considered contacting a duplication plant and enquiring about the cost of a limited run? Might be cheaper to do. I don't know the cost of a CD-R blank but short run duplication in the U.K. seems to run from about 150 pounds ( about 250 US dollars) upwards for 100 CDs. It's probably a lot cheaper to do in the States (CDs are cheaper there anyway). If you did it on an advance order basis, so that everyone who wants a copy has already sent in their money then it shouldn't be too big a problem: apart from distribution which, if we're talking around 100 copies is a very big problem. That's a serious mailshot for one person to handle. I could probably arrange the mastering of a CD over here for free, but definitely don't have the time to compile the songs and the playlist, so it would have to be from a finished tape. The problem with that would be that unless it was a digital tape (DAT) then it would be a second generation analogue cassette which would not be a satisfactory medium to produce any kind of CD from! So the question is : who's got a good quality DAT machine and the time to compile an album? Regards, Ross From jitr-owner Mon Nov 2 02:48:49 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id CAA01512 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 02:48:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from main.netspace.com.mx (qmailr@main.netspace.com.mx [200.38.249.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id CAA01508 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 02:48:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 02:48:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21629 invoked from network); 2 Nov 1998 10:48:41 -0000 Received: from usr017.netspace.com.mx (HELO ?200.38.249.82?) (200.38.249.82) by main.netspace.com.mx with SMTP; 2 Nov 1998 10:48:41 -0000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: jitr@postmodern.com From: johnny@netspace.com.mx (Juan Manuel Garcia) Subject: Sinead at Glastonbury Festival Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hi all, Finally I've recorded on VHS all the concert Glastonbury Festival (23 June 1995) including Sinead that performed the only one her song "the last day of our acquaintance" in best quality, if are u interested to get a copy of this concert, let me know. Johnny From jitr-owner Mon Nov 2 08:13:42 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id IAA02388 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 08:13:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from callisto.uwinnipeg.ca (root@callisto.uwinnipeg.ca [142.132.1.23]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id IAA02384 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 08:13:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from BilalRana (sdi6m3.uwinnipeg.ca [142.132.55.4]) by callisto.uwinnipeg.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA00418; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 10:12:31 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001501be067b$d56eb920$0437848e@BilalRana> From: "Bilal Rana" To: "Mandy Green" , "Jitr-digest" Subject: Re: This IS a Rebel Song Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 10:14:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ hello Mandy, hehe, yeah, i totally knew that. i just was caught by surprise by the sheer outlandishness of my friends suggestion. i thought it was pretty hilarious and just thought to share. I think my friend knows too and she's just making a joke. later. bilal -----Original Message----- From: Mandy Green To: 'Bilal Rana' ; Jitr-digest Date: Monday, November 02, 1998 3:10 AM Subject: RE: This IS a Rebel Song >Dear Bilal > >I doubt this interpretation very much - Sinead is well over her problems >with Peter and would hardly rehash old ground in music recorded in 1997 >- 7 years is a long time to bear a grudge....besides, she's already >explained the meaning behind the metaphorical lyrics in untold >interviews upon GO's release. > >Mandy > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bilal Rana [SMTP:brana@callisto.uwinnipeg.ca] >Sent: Sunday, November 01, 1998 8:25 AM >To: Jitr-digest >Subject: This IS a Rebel Song > >hello jitr, > >I was discussing This IS a Rebel song with one me friends. I asked her >what >her reaction was to the extreme imagery in the opening of the song: > >"I love you my hard Englishman >Your rage is like a fist in my womb." > >Her response totally caught me by surprise. She said: > >"My response? 'Damn you Peter. Damn You!' " > >HA! > >later, > >bilal :) > >p.s. fer those who perhaps didn't get it, me friend was referring to >Peter >Gabriel not pursuing a relationship with Sinead. > From jitr-owner Mon Nov 2 08:25:59 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id IAA02466 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 08:25:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from exchange.rotarywatches.com ([193.133.137.242]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id IAA02462 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 08:25:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by mailhost.rotarywatches.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:19:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20204F99FE6FD211BA3A0060085CF48E0347B1@mailhost.rotarywatches.com> From: Mandy Green To: "'Bilal Rana'" , Mandy Green , Jitr-digest Subject: RE: This IS a Rebel Song Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:19:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Oh - I'm so serious sometimes - I SHOULD LIGHTEN UP ;-) -----Original Message----- From: Bilal Rana [SMTP:brana@callisto.uwinnipeg.ca] Sent: Monday, November 02, 1998 4:14 PM To: Mandy Green; Jitr-digest Subject: Re: This IS a Rebel Song hello Mandy, hehe, yeah, i totally knew that. i just was caught by surprise by the sheer outlandishness of my friends suggestion. i thought it was pretty hilarious and just thought to share. I think my friend knows too and she's just making a joke. later. bilal -----Original Message----- From: Mandy Green To: 'Bilal Rana' ; Jitr-digest Date: Monday, November 02, 1998 3:10 AM Subject: RE: This IS a Rebel Song >Dear Bilal > >I doubt this interpretation very much - Sinead is well over her problems >with Peter and would hardly rehash old ground in music recorded in 1997 >- 7 years is a long time to bear a grudge....besides, she's already >explained the meaning behind the metaphorical lyrics in untold >interviews upon GO's release. > >Mandy > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bilal Rana [SMTP:brana@callisto.uwinnipeg.ca] >Sent: Sunday, November 01, 1998 8:25 AM >To: Jitr-digest >Subject: This IS a Rebel Song > >hello jitr, > >I was discussing This IS a Rebel song with one me friends. I asked her >what >her reaction was to the extreme imagery in the opening of the song: > >"I love you my hard Englishman >Your rage is like a fist in my womb." > >Her response totally caught me by surprise. She said: > >"My response? 'Damn you Peter. Damn You!' " > >HA! > >later, > >bilal :) > >p.s. fer those who perhaps didn't get it, me friend was referring to >Peter >Gabriel not pursuing a relationship with Sinead. > From jitr-owner Mon Nov 2 10:28:49 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id KAA02889 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 10:28:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from asbestos.lmc.com (asbestos.lmc.com [198.107.12.11]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id KAA02885 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 10:28:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from portland.pdxuxbre.lmc.com (portland.lmc.com [198.182.34.64]) by asbestos.lmc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA14534 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 10:28:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from ricks-lap (pdxas1-108.pdxuxbre.lmc.com [198.182.37.108]) by portland.pdxuxbre.lmc.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA01916 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 10:28:38 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981102103145.00b14100@pdx2pop.pdx2.synopsys.com> X-Sender: ricks@pdx2pop.pdx2.synopsys.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 10:31:49 -0800 To: jitr@postmodern.com From: Rick Schmidt Subject: Re: Tribute Album / Lyric Changes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ I agree with all the thoughts about _not_ changing lyrics and I want to add this: 'Thank You For Hearing Me' is _already_ about love and thanks (and healing). I can't imagine any lyric changes that would make that more clear. Rick >> > > > >> > > > On Thu, 29 Oct 1998, Deniz Cebe wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > I've been thinking about my version of the song for two days and I >> > > > > decided to make some changes. What I mean is about lyrics, the music >> > > > > will stay >> > > > > the same. I want to make it into a song of love and thanks rather than >> > > > > pain. >> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- "Once you've gotten the message you can hang up the phone" Alan Watts on drugs ----------------------------------------------------------- From jitr-owner Mon Nov 2 11:17:49 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id LAA03128 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 11:17:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from m8.sprynet.com (m8.sprynet.com [165.121.2.208]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id LAA03124 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 11:17:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from default (hil-c45-009-vty70.as.wcom.net [206.175.200.70]) by m8.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00517 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 11:17:42 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199811021917.LAA00517@m8.sprynet.com> Reply-To: From: "Isabel Cobo" To: Subject: Tribute request Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 13:14:35 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello everybody! (Big Fat Wave) Well, I've not really spoken out a whole lot on the list, but like I told Ben this is a chance I don't think I should pass up... Anyway, I would like to enter my request to cover Fire On Babylon for the tribute album. Does anybody know if the album is full yet? Is anybody else noivous about singing??? Adios, Isabel From jitr-owner Mon Nov 2 11:38:58 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id LAA03330 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 11:38:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (f327.hotmail.com [207.82.250.106]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id LAA03326 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 11:38:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5387 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 1998 19:38:23 -0000 Message-ID: <19981102193823.5386.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.49.61.65 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 02 Nov 1998 11:38:21 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.49.61.65] From: "Ben Adams" To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: changing lyrics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 11:38:21 PST Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ I don't want to get involved in a big war about changing lyrics, but just thought I'd put in a small comment on the "pro-change" side. Think about what Sinéad sang during Emporer's in 1997 (and 1998 too?)... "You asked if I'm scared and I said HELL NO" That's quite a change from the old "and I said so"--opposite, in fact. My point is that art is often quite precisely about paradox and contradictions, especially in the case of Sinéad, who says "I love you" and "You're still a liar" to the same person--a more recent example would be "I love you my hard Englishman, your rage is like a fist in my womb". Feelings about a person or situation, or even a song, may either be contradictory all at once or change over time... the point being that art can be very volatile. Some people are very comfortable with an artist changing his/her own work, but don't think anyone else should be allowed to do this... I will just say that Sinéad is the queen of covers which are VERY different from the originals... even if she doesn't change the lyrics, she's been known to change almost everything else about a song, including adding more lyrics (cases in point: Sacrifice, Success Has Made, Don't Cry For Me, House of the Rising Sun, All Apologies, Danny Boy, etc.) Why would it be so unkosher to change the words of a song when every other aspect of it can be changed too? I'm just saying that it's dangerous to define absolute rules in art (i.e. no-one should change anyone else's lyrics), because art so often relies on the very breaking of those rules. I'm not saying that I have done or would do this myself (I probably wouldn't, but who knows?)--only that I have no problem with someone else doing it. Just my humble opinion! Luvs & kisses, #Ben ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jitr-owner Mon Nov 2 11:57:09 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id LAA03395 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 11:57:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (f220.hotmail.com [207.82.251.111]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id LAA03391 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 11:57:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15071 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 1998 19:56:33 -0000 Message-ID: <19981102195633.15070.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.49.61.65 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 02 Nov 1998 11:56:32 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.49.61.65] From: "Ben Adams" To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: tribute MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 11:56:32 PST Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ What does everyone think about this (see below)? I think it may be a very good idea, but I'd like to hear other opinions. If everyone does all the songs they're interested in, we can then choose the most interesting version of each song. >unless you know what you're dealing with it's very hard to >compile an album from songs you haven't heard: alright, you know the >songs, but not the performances. What happens if the one sanctioned >version of a song turns out to be truly excruciating? > >Perhaps it would be best to simply leave the doors open for ANY >contributions up to a deadline and then just pick the best version. That >should be a deadline for completed recordings, not promises. With the >best will in the world, we've all got lives and some promised versions >might not get done. ... >have you considered contacting a duplication plant and enquiring about >the cost of a limited run? I've thought about that too. I just have no clue how many we'll want to make. CD-Rs cost $4 in the US, I think, and are probably cheaper in bulk. So maybe a small run from a plant would be better--that way we could have something printed on the disc too! >I could probably arrange the mastering of a CD over here for free, but >definitely don't have the time to compile the songs and the playlist, so >it would have to be from a finished tape. The problem with that would >be that unless it was a digital tape (DAT) then it would be a second >generation analogue cassette which would not be a satisfactory medium to >produce any kind of CD from! So the question is : who's got a good >quality DAT machine and the time to compile an album? I will do this if I can get access to a good DAT machine. I'm VERY happy that you're willing to master it, Ross; thank you many times over. Does anyone have a good DAT machine, or should I look around? (I'll probably look around anyway...) For now, the big question is, should we just all record our best versions of all the songs we'd like to do, and then the best ones will be included? Not that it's a big competition, but some interpretations may be more interesting than others (and we don't really have that many songs that more than one person asked for)... What's the verdict? #Ben ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jitr-owner Mon Nov 2 15:03:27 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id PAA03911 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 15:03:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.minn.net (root@mail.minn.net [208.16.88.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id PAA03907 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 15:03:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from h1165 (dialup-tc-2-30.minn.net [208.16.84.178]) by mail.minn.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id RAA16673 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:05:01 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.minn.net: Host dialup-tc-2-30.minn.net [208.16.84.178] claimed to be h1165 Reply-To: From: "Rob & Holli Marshall" To: "'Jitr'" Subject: STA -Cover Title Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:04:32 -0600 Message-ID: <000701be06b5$2e224e40$b25410d0@h1165> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199811021917.LAA00517@m8.sprynet.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ What about what we are.... JITR ????????????????? Love, Peace, and Harmony, Holli \\\|/// \\ - - // ( @ @ ) ---oOOo-(_)-oOOo-------------------------------------- - Holli Marshall's "Triumph Over Tragedy" Mint Green Ribbon Campaign for the Awareness of Abuse Email: hmm@minn.net Website: http://www1.minn.net/~hmm ------------Oooo-------------------------------------- oooO ( ) ( ) ) / \ ( (_/ \_) From jitr-owner Mon Nov 2 16:01:21 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id QAA04232 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:01:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from degas.telebyte.nl (root@degas.telebyte.nl [194.235.214.15]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id QAA04228 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:01:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from jarb (tc1-32.tc.telebyte.nl [194.235.222.161]) by degas.telebyte.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA13680 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 01:01:11 +0100 Message-ID: <00f701be06bc$e18412a0$a1deebc2@jarb> From: "Mars-L" To: "Jitr-digest" Subject: Sinead Newsgroup Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 00:59:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello, Most of you know because it's beeen mentioned about a year ago already. But for the people who joined since then; There exists a Sinead-newsgroup. Once in a while someone is selling Sinead stuff through it. Not a lot postings (thank god). But worth to visit once in a while. (Drop a note if you get there) it can be found at; alt.music.sinaed NOTICE THE SINAED SPELLING !!!!! --- Mars-L ------------------------------------------------------------ Co-editor of the Sinead O'Connor Mainpage http://sinead-oconnor.com --- bobbink@telebyte.nl ------------------------------------------ From jitr-owner Mon Nov 2 18:38:44 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id SAA04741 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 18:38:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (f269.hotmail.com [207.82.251.160]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id SAA04737 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 18:38:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11018 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 1998 02:38:10 -0000 Message-ID: <19981103023810.11017.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.169.41.63 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 02 Nov 1998 18:38:08 PST X-Originating-IP: [192.169.41.63] From: "kai chai" To: bengriffin@hotmail.com Cc: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Re: changing lyrics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 18:38:08 PST Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ hi jitr pple, i agree totally with what ben's said. i don't think there shd be any restriction as to what one can and can't do with a song. it's precisely in the spirit of creativity from which all great artists draw their inspiration. what's important at the end of the day is that there's due acknowledgement and that, yes, the product is something to behold. ie. who gives a hoot -- pardon my language -- when a "faithful interpretation" turns out to be, er, crap? just my two pence, kai chai. >I don't want to get involved in a big war about changing lyrics, but=20 >just thought I'd put in a small comment on the "pro-change" side. Think=20 >about what Sin=E9ad sang during Emporer's in 1997 (and 1998 too?)... > >"You asked if I'm scared and I said >HELL NO" > >That's quite a change from the old "and I said so"--opposite, in fact. > >My point is that art is often quite precisely about paradox and=20 >contradictions, especially in the case of Sin=E9ad, who says "I love you"= >=20 >and "You're still a liar" to the same person--a more recent example=20 >would be "I love you my hard Englishman, your rage is like a fist in my=20 >womb". Feelings about a person or situation, or even a song, may either=20 >be contradictory all at once or change over time... the point being that=20 >art can be very volatile. Some people are very comfortable with an=20 >artist changing his/her own work, but don't think anyone else should be=20 >allowed to do this... I will just say that Sin=E9ad is the queen of=20 >covers which are VERY different from the originals... even if she=20 >doesn't change the lyrics, she's been known to change almost everything=20 >else about a song, including adding more lyrics (cases in point:=20 >Sacrifice, Success Has Made, Don't Cry For Me, House of the Rising Sun,=20 >All Apologies, Danny Boy, etc.) Why would it be so unkosher to change=20 >the words of a song when every other aspect of it can be changed too? > >I'm just saying that it's dangerous to define absolute rules in art=20 >(i.e. no-one should change anyone else's lyrics), because art so often=20 >relies on the very breaking of those rules. I'm not saying that I have=20 >done or would do this myself (I probably wouldn't, but who knows?)--only=20 >that I have no problem with someone else doing it. > >Just my humble opinion! >Luvs & kisses, >#Ben > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jitr-owner Tue Nov 3 03:56:37 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id DAA07933 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 03:56:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from degas.telebyte.nl (root@degas.telebyte.nl [194.235.214.15]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id DAA07929 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 03:56:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from jarb (tc1-03.tc.telebyte.nl [194.235.222.132]) by degas.telebyte.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA09551 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:56:28 +0100 Message-ID: <002b01be0720$cf096580$b1deebc2@jarb> From: "Mars-L" To: "Jitr-digest" Subject: tribute cd Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:54:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello, I don't wanna to interfere with the tribute cd, but why don't you make it yourselfs a lot easier. Let everyone record as much songs as he/she wants. Make MP3 or RealAudio files of them. Place them on a homepage all together and let visitors choose which songs are best for about 2 months. Burn the Top10-15 on a cd, and ready is your CD-R. I doubt you will be able to release this cd officially. So let someone make a cd-r of it, it's sound-quality will (when donme a good job) be the same as a standard cd. Only it's a lot cheaper. Design a nice inlay, make a nice label on the cd. And ready is the "Jumpers" cd. Just an idea. --- Mars-L ------------------------------------------------------------ Co-editor of the Sinead O'Connor Mainpage http://sinead-oconnor.com --- bobbink@telebyte.nl ------------------------------------------ From jitr-owner Tue Nov 3 06:20:56 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id GAA08453 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 06:20:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from degas.telebyte.nl (root@degas.telebyte.nl [194.235.214.15]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id GAA08449 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 06:20:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from jarb (tc1-11.tc.telebyte.nl [194.235.222.140]) by degas.telebyte.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA17590 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 15:19:01 +0100 Message-ID: <000401be0734$bde5cb40$8cdeebc2@jarb> From: "Mars-L" To: "Jitr-digest" Subject: Updated trading list Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 15:17:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello, If someone is interested in trading (or eventually buying) Sinead audio/video tapes I've updated my online list, which can be found on; http://www.sinead-oconnor.com/m/my-video-audio.htm the video's are all in PAL system, so won't play on NTSC-system. --- Mars-L ------------------------------------------------------------ Co-editor of the Sinead O'Connor Mainpage http://sinead-oconnor.com --- bobbink@telebyte.nl ------------------------------------------ From jitr-owner Tue Nov 3 14:29:04 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id OAA10489 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 14:29:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from front6.grolier.fr (front6.grolier.fr [194.158.96.56]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id OAA10485 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 14:28:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from bautin (ppp-109-70.villette.club-internet.fr [194.158.109.70]) by front6.grolier.fr (8.9.0/MGC-980407-Frontal-No_Relay) with SMTP id XAA21100 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 23:28:50 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000b01be0779$c3fc9460$466d9ec2@bautin.club-internet.fr> From: "Bruno" To: "jitr" Subject: New album ??? Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 23:31:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ A new Sinead album is announced in France for Sony music !!!!! This is handed by Marc-Henri. As soon as we have other news , I let you know !! Bruno's Page: http://www.mygale.org/02/autin Où est le Roi perdu ? From jitr-owner Tue Nov 3 15:35:41 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id PAA10715 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 15:35:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw2.aexp.com (gw2.aexp.com [205.138.230.67]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id PAA10711 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 15:35:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by gw2.aexp.com; id QAA25659; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:35:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailhub3.ec.aexp.com(159.202.23.24) by gw2.aexp.com via smap (4.1) id xmac22221; Mon, 2 Nov 98 13:37:23 -0700 X400-Received: by mta AmexMSPMTA in /c=us/admd=attmail/prmd=amex/; Relayed; 02 Nov 1998 14:36:36 -0600 X400-Received: by /c=us/admd=attmail/prmd=amex/; Relayed; 02 Nov 1998 14:36:36 -0600 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=us/admd=attmail/prmd=amex/; 04CBC363E17D4001-AmexMSPMTA] Content-Identifier: 04CBC363E17D4001 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Paul.Kuehl@aexp.com X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; Message-Id: <04CBC363E17D4001*/c=us/admd=attmail/prmd=amex/o=aefa/ou=HUB3/ou=IDS/s=Kuehl/g=Paul/@MHS> Date: 02 Nov 1998 14:36:36 -0600 From: Paul Kuehl To: jitr@postmodern.com (Return requested) Subject: The CD MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Not to rain on anyone's parade, but I have been on many of these lists that have talked this same idea and nothing ever gets done due to all the little pieces that are maybe not that important to the success of getting this CD pressed (i.e., changing of words, blah, blah, blah.). My suggestion, everyone who is interested in recording, to just do it. Then send them to whoever wants to puts this together (it sounds like several people could do this). Press and distribute due to everyone's interest. I'm assuming you will get too many recordings, but therefore you can weed through the repititions, poor quality recordings, etc., and compile the best version. Maybe even take the complete list of submissions, list the song and performer including the sound quality (based on a five star system) and post them on this list. People could vote. Someone just needs to be the point person, and everyone else can privately contact them with their concerns. I know I sound like a miserable jerk, but I feel as though we will talk and talk and talk and talk and talk until nothing gets done (this opinion is based solely on my experience with other lists). I'm interested on continuing to stay on this list, but not if it all has to do with tiny informalities regarding a CD that may never be pressed. Sorry if I upset anyone, but that's my two cent take on it.... Hope everyone had a great weekend... Paul From jitr-owner Tue Nov 3 16:51:54 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id QAA10988 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:51:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from degas.telebyte.nl (root@degas.telebyte.nl [194.235.214.15]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id QAA10984 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:51:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from jarb (tc1-02.tc.telebyte.nl [194.235.222.131]) by degas.telebyte.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA19542 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 01:51:44 +0100 Message-ID: <00ef01be078d$212af880$94deebc2@jarb> From: "Mars-L" To: "Jitr-digest" Subject: Tribute Mailing List Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 01:28:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello, Not bashing but might it be an idea if you set up an alternate-mailing list for the Tribute cd. Lots of people don't wanna read the messages about the disc. There are over 300 subscribers, and about 10-15 are working on the CD. It would keep the JITR a little smaller for the other 285 subscribers. Just post the main info about it. (When you're done for instance, so people can order the disc, which would make the disc cheaper, the more the cheaper.) --- Mars-L ------------------------------------------------------------ Co-editor of the Sinead O'Connor Mainpage http://sinead-oconnor.com --- bobbink@telebyte.nl ------------------------------------------ From jitr-owner Tue Nov 3 17:06:59 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id RAA11101 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 17:06:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from degas.telebyte.nl (root@degas.telebyte.nl [194.235.214.15]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id RAA11097 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 17:06:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from jarb (tc1-02.tc.telebyte.nl [194.235.222.131]) by degas.telebyte.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA20031 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 02:06:51 +0100 Message-ID: <00f401be078f$3d7a5e20$94deebc2@jarb> From: "Mars-L" To: "Jitr-digest" Subject: Happy to be here ONLINE Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 02:05:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello, If you wanna see Sinead with the black wig, performing live with Dave Stewart on the song "Happy to be here", it's online now. You need real video and a fast computer (at least 28k8) Goto; http://www.davestewart.com/nojavcubfr.html select the headphone. Then on the left menu you choose "See it on Sly Fi TV 2 now! Click here for the latest events and live pictures" Fill in the form (just fake a name and address) and there you go.........Sinead with wig. After the song ended don't wait for more, there's just some video-artwork. --- Mars-L ------------------------------------------------------------ Co-editor of the Sinead O'Connor Mainpage http://sinead-oconnor.com --- bobbink@telebyte.nl ------------------------------------------ From jitr-owner Tue Nov 3 21:34:42 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id VAA11876 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 21:34:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgate2.telekabel.at (mgate.telekabel.at [195.34.133.21]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id VAA11872 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 21:34:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from rs1 ([195.34.154.176]) by mgate2.telekabel.at (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-57067U15000L15000S0V35) with SMTP id AAA27390; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 06:34:28 +0100 From: "Roman Szendrey" To: "Mars-L" , "JITR Postings" Subject: RE: Tribute Mailing List Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 06:35:07 +0100 Message-ID: <002101be07b4$e202e1e0$b09a22c3@telekabel.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00ef01be078d$212af880$94deebc2@jarb> Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ very good idea, marcel! roman > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-jitr@postmodern.com [mailto:owner-jitr@postmodern.com]On > Behalf Of Mars-L > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 1998 1:29 AM > To: Jitr-digest > Subject: Tribute Mailing List > > > Hello, > > Not bashing but might it be an idea if you set up an alternate-mailing list > for the Tribute cd. Lots of people don't wanna read the messages about the > disc. There are over 300 subscribers, and about 10-15 are working > on the CD. > It would keep the JITR a little smaller for the other 285 subscribers. Just > post the main info about it. (When you're done for instance, so people can > order the disc, which would make the disc cheaper, the more the cheaper.) > > --- Mars-L ------------------------------------------------------------ > Co-editor of the Sinead O'Connor Mainpage > http://sinead-oconnor.com > --- bobbink@telebyte.nl ------------------------------------------ > > From jitr-owner Wed Nov 4 00:06:03 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id AAA14089 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 00:06:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from office.icgroup.nl ([194.134.71.13]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id AAA14085 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 00:05:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by office.icgroup.nl with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:08:29 +0100 Message-ID: <20DD783D4B47D211AEE800A02454E0E6087855@office.icgroup.nl> From: Michel Noppert To: "'Roman Szendrey'" Cc: "JITR (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Tribute Mailing List Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:08:26 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ INDEED A VERY GOOD IDEA !!!! Michel > -----Original Message----- > From: Roman Szendrey [SMTP:roman@szendrey.com] > Sent: woensdag 4 november 1998 6:35 > To: Mars-L; JITR Postings > Subject: RE: Tribute Mailing List > > very good idea, marcel! > > roman > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-jitr@postmodern.com [mailto:owner-jitr@postmodern.com]On > > Behalf Of Mars-L > > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 1998 1:29 AM > > To: Jitr-digest > > Subject: Tribute Mailing List > > > > > > Hello, > > > > Not bashing but might it be an idea if you set up an > alternate-mailing list > > for the Tribute cd. Lots of people don't wanna read the messages > about the > > disc. There are over 300 subscribers, and about 10-15 are working > > on the CD. > > It would keep the JITR a little smaller for the other 285 > subscribers. Just > > post the main info about it. (When you're done for instance, so > people can > > order the disc, which would make the disc cheaper, the more the > cheaper.) > > > > --- Mars-L > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Co-editor of the Sinead O'Connor Mainpage > > http://sinead-oconnor.com > > --- bobbink@telebyte.nl ------------------------------------------ > > > > From jitr-owner Wed Nov 4 10:23:08 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id KAA15499 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:23:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from front3.grolier.fr (front3.grolier.fr [194.158.96.53]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id KAA15495 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:23:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from bautin (ppp-102-32.villette.club-internet.fr [194.158.102.32]) by front3.grolier.fr (8.9.0/MGC-980407-Frontal-No_Relay) with SMTP id TAA17865 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 19:22:58 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000801be0820$95c8e7e0$20669ec2@bautin.club-internet.fr> From: "Bruno" To: "jitr" Subject: Sunhouse in Concert Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 19:25:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ I saw the group today on TV( Canal +) , they played "Monkey dead". They are in Concert the 6th of november in Paris. If I have time and money (and place !!) I may go and see them.. Bruno's Page: http://www.mygale.org/02/autin Où est le Roi perdu ? From jitr-owner Wed Nov 4 11:51:51 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id LAA16022 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:51:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (f80.hotmail.com [207.82.250.186]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id LAA16018 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:51:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 25061 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 1998 19:51:17 -0000 Message-ID: <19981104195117.25060.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.49.61.88 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 04 Nov 1998 11:51:16 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.49.61.88] From: "Ben Adams" To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: solution : tribute mailing group MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 11:51:16 PST Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Sorry to everyone who hasn't wanted to read all the messages about the tribute album. Those of us working on it need to simply create a grouping of e-mail addresses in our e-mail programs so we only e-mail each other. I use Hotmail, so I'll explain how it works for that, but I can't give advice for any other e-mail program. For Hotmail, you simply click on "Addresses," then on the section where it says Groups, click on "Create." Then you enter all the e-mail addresses of everyone who wants to be involved--and a nickname (e.g. Sinéad Tribute). Then you click "OK." The rest is simple: any time you want to post a message for the tribute group, just click on "Addresses" and then "Sinéad Tribute" (or whatever nickname you made up), and then you have all the addresses entered into a blank message, all ready for you to write and send! And for anyone who's not really involved but is interested in 'listening in' on what's going on, just e-mail me and I'll include your e-mail address too. Except for the people who've specifically told me they no longer want to be involved, I'll make a list of everyone who has offered to contribute in some way up to now, and then I'll add the e-mails of anyone who writes to me in the next few days requesting to be included in the discussion. Then I will e-mail everyone involved so we can all create a 'group' on our e-mail programs. After we do this we can make more specific decisions about the project. Fair enough? #Ben ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jitr-owner Wed Nov 4 14:19:49 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id OAA16583 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:19:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from portal.net.au (galley.portal.net.au [202.12.71.7]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id OAA16579 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:19:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from portal.net.au (ppp18.portal.net.au [202.12.71.118]) by portal.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA16910 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 08:47:01 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <3640D3BE.339ED80A@portal.net.au> Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 08:52:55 +1030 From: Dark X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sinead List Subject: VBG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hi Guys, I thought I'd share something with you all, as Sinéad touched another heart again yesterday...mine! (Not that she doesn't already) I have been after the two CDs.... Gospel Oak and The Sea Of Dreams for so long now. I live in Australia and it seems most mainstream music stores just can't get their acts together. I ordered the CDs as imports and have been waiting for months for them to arrive. I decided to go on-line and order them there, as I was tired of the music store telling me that they had re-ordered again for the fourth time etc etc blah blah blah. Anyhow, I went on-line to the Music Boulevard site and ordered them there. Within 5 days, they arrived, in mint condition and in my hot little hands. I should have gone there ages ago, and I am sure I won't be buying CDs at music stores here anymore as the price they quoted me for Gospel Oak, was $24:95Aust. Even with choosing the more expensive of delivery & shipping options, I saved money. Don't groan ok... but I am a survivor of child abuse, so not only do I like Sinéad's music for the gifted artist that she is, but I get a lot of solace from hearing her own healing journey through her music. Her music touches a place deep inside of me in an inexplicable way. I know it does everyone of course for many different reasons, but a fellow abuse survivor singing her rage, sorrow, pain and her triumphs and joys as you are feeling those very same things, is something that is difficult to articulate. Yesterday was one of those awful days where I woke up wondering if it may have been better if I hadn't. Things had been going ok and then boom, chaos hits again (in the form of the aftermath of a difficult therapy the day before). The feeling of climbing a mountain and thinking you are up it, or at least getting there and then sliding down again and then hearing that throught creeping in, that screams incessantly "Fuck it all!" Well, it gets tiring. Skip ahead some several hours later to about 11am. I'm sitting on the couch practicing breathing...in between a deep breath, I'm saying "Fuck it all" and wondering about the madness in all this, when the doorbell rings and there is the delivery man with my CDs. So I scrawl a signature, grab them with a smile so big that my face hurts and before he is even in his truck again, I have Gospel Oak in my CD player. Hearing "This Is To Mother You" as I sat there on the couch, cradling a cushion, and hearing her words of love and affirmation for herself was exactly what I needed at exactly the perfect time. I sat transfixed, a tear trickled down as I took a breath in (a proper one this time) and the "Fuck it all" message quieted. Thank you Sinéad, for even though at times I do know that I am enough for myself... it helps to have a gentle reminder :o) Thanks Guys for listening, Maria punky.mtx.au From jitr-owner Wed Nov 4 14:29:53 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id OAA16633 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:29:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from portal.net.au (galley.portal.net.au [202.12.71.7]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id OAA16629 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:29:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from portal.net.au (ppp18.portal.net.au [202.12.71.118]) by portal.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA16950 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 08:57:06 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <3640D61B.D0C14906@portal.net.au> Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 09:03:00 +1030 From: Dark X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sinead List Subject: P.S. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Oh btw..... The Sea Of Dreams..... wow!! I have heard Dreaming Of The Bones via RealAudio sound wav... but ohhhh ... to hear it on CD player, with the sound up and the bass on full.... now THAT is an experience!!! Regards :o) Maria http://punky.mtx.net/ From jitr-owner Wed Nov 4 16:35:15 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id QAA16972 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:35:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id QAA16968 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:35:12 -0800 (PST) From: Papioanou@aol.com Received: from Papioanou@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id XUVZa02341; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 19:33:38 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <8817a805.3640f262@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 19:33:38 EST To: dark@portal.net.au, jitr@server.postmodern.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: VBG Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ To what address should I send the consultation bill? From jitr-owner Wed Nov 4 16:59:33 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id QAA17022 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:59:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from portal.net.au (galley.portal.net.au [202.12.71.7]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id QAA17018 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:59:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from portal.net.au (ppp14.portal.net.au [202.12.71.114]) by portal.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA17595 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 11:26:47 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <3640F92F.DEF47AD7@portal.net.au> Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 11:32:40 +1030 From: Dark X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sinead List Subject: Tad bit Sinead unrelated Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hi Guys, I apologize if my previous e-mail offended anyone... I was merely saying that I had a bad day, thoughts don't kill you, you know? Anyway.... cya ...take care and be :o) Maria From jitr-owner Thu Nov 5 09:10:33 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id JAA20729 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 09:10:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.hsx.com (root@mail.hsx.com [209.67.147.73]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id JAA20725 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 09:10:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from michael.hsx.com ([209.67.138.207]) by mail.hsx.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA05461 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 09:08:07 -0800 Message-Id: <199811051708.JAA05461@mail.hsx.com> X-Sender: mororke@mail.hsx.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 09:09:54 -0800 To: jitr@postmodern.com From: "Michael O'Rorke" Subject: Re: jitr-digest V4 #317 In-Reply-To: <199811050900.BAA19882@server.postmodern.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ I am not a performer, but i really would love to have a copy of the tribute CD when it is done. What can I do to insure I will not be forgotten? Thanks!!!=20 Michael At 01:00 AM 11/5/98 -0800, you wrote: > >jitr-digest Thursday, November 5 1998 Volume 04 : Number= 317 > > > >In this issue: > > Sunhouse in Concert > solution : tribute mailing group > VBG > P.S. > Re: VBG > Tad bit Sinead unrelated > >See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the jitr >or jitr-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 19:25:25 +0100 >From: "Bruno" >Subject: Sunhouse in Concert > >I saw the group today on TV( Canal +) , they played "Monkey dead". They are >in Concert the 6th of november in Paris. If I have time and money (and >place !!) I may go and see them.. > >Bruno's Page: http://www.mygale.org/02/autin >O=F9 est le Roi perdu ? > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 11:51:16 PST >From: "Ben Adams" >Subject: solution : tribute mailing group > >Sorry to everyone who hasn't wanted to read all the messages about the=20 >tribute album. Those of us working on it need to simply create a=20 >grouping of e-mail addresses in our e-mail programs so we only e-mail=20 >each other. > >I use Hotmail, so I'll explain how it works for that, but I can't give=20 >advice for any other e-mail program. For Hotmail, you simply click on=20 >"Addresses," then on the section where it says Groups, click on=20 >"Create." Then you enter all the e-mail addresses of everyone who wants=20 >to be involved--and a nickname (e.g. Sin=E9ad Tribute). Then you click=20 >"OK." The rest is simple: any time you want to post a message for the=20 >tribute group, just click on "Addresses" and then "Sin=E9ad Tribute" (or=20 >whatever nickname you made up), and then you have all the addresses=20 >entered into a blank message, all ready for you to write and send! > >And for anyone who's not really involved but is interested in 'listening=20 >in' on what's going on, just e-mail me and I'll include your e-mail=20 >address too. Except for the people who've specifically told me they no=20 >longer want to be involved, I'll make a list of everyone who has offered=20 >to contribute in some way up to now, and then I'll add the e-mails of=20 >anyone who writes to me in the next few days requesting to be included=20 >in the discussion. Then I will e-mail everyone involved so we can all=20 >create a 'group' on our e-mail programs. > >After we do this we can make more specific decisions about the project. =20 >Fair enough? > >#Ben > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 08:52:55 +1030 >From: Dark >Subject: VBG > >Hi Guys, > > I thought I'd share something with you all, as Sin=E9ad >touched another heart again yesterday...mine! (Not that she doesn't >already) I have been after the two CDs.... Gospel Oak and The Sea Of >Dreams for so long now. I live in Australia and it seems most >mainstream music stores just can't get their acts together. I ordered >the CDs as imports and have been waiting for months for them to arrive. >I decided to go on-line and order them there, as I was tired of the >music store telling me that they had re-ordered again for the fourth >time etc etc blah blah blah. > > Anyhow, I went on-line to the Music Boulevard site and ordered them >there. Within 5 days, they arrived, in mint condition and in my hot >little hands. I should have gone there ages ago, and I am sure I won't >be buying CDs at music stores here anymore as the price they quoted me >for Gospel Oak, was $24:95Aust. Even with choosing the more expensive >of delivery & shipping options, I saved money. > > Don't groan ok... but I am a survivor of child abuse, so not only do I >like Sin=E9ad's music for the gifted artist that she is, but I get a lot >of solace from hearing her own healing journey through her music. Her >music touches a place deep inside of me in an inexplicable way. I know >it does everyone of course for many different reasons, but a fellow >abuse survivor singing her rage, sorrow, pain and her triumphs and joys >as you are feeling those very same things, is something that is >difficult to articulate. > > Yesterday was one of those awful days where I woke up wondering if it >may have been better if I hadn't. Things had been going ok and then >boom, chaos hits again (in the form of the aftermath of a difficult >therapy the day before). The feeling of climbing a mountain and >thinking you are up it, or at least getting there and then sliding down >again and then hearing that throught creeping in, that screams >incessantly "Fuck it all!" Well, it gets tiring. > > Skip ahead some several hours later to about 11am. I'm sitting on the >couch practicing breathing...in between a deep breath, I'm saying "Fuck >it all" and wondering about the madness in all this, when the doorbell >rings and there is the delivery man with my CDs. So I scrawl a >signature, grab them with a smile so big that my face hurts and before >he is even in his truck again, I have Gospel Oak in my CD player. > > Hearing "This Is To Mother You" as I sat there on the couch, cradling a >cushion, and hearing her words of love and affirmation for herself was >exactly what I needed at exactly the perfect time. I sat transfixed, a >tear trickled down as I took a breath in (a proper one this time) and >the "Fuck it all" message quieted. > > Thank you Sin=E9ad, for even though at times I do know that I am enough >for myself... it helps to have a gentle reminder :o) > >Thanks Guys for listening, >Maria > >punky.mtx.au > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 09:03:00 +1030 >From: Dark >Subject: P.S. > >Oh btw..... > > The Sea Of Dreams..... wow!! I have heard Dreaming Of The Bones via >RealAudio sound wav... but ohhhh ... to hear it on CD player, with the >sound up and the bass on full.... now THAT is an experience!!! > >Regards :o) >Maria >http://punky.mtx.net/ > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 19:33:38 EST >From: Papioanou@aol.com >Subject: Re: VBG > >To what address should I send the consultation bill? > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 11:32:40 +1030 >From: Dark >Subject: Tad bit Sinead unrelated > >Hi Guys, > I apologize if my previous e-mail offended anyone... I >was merely saying that I had a bad day, thoughts don't kill you, you >know? > > Anyway.... cya ...take care and be :o) >Maria > >------------------------------ > >End of jitr-digest V4 #317 >************************** > >To unsubscribe from jitr-digest, send the following command >in the body of a message to "majordomo@server.postmodern.com": > >unsubscribe jitr-digest > >To subscribe, send the command "subscribe jitr-digest" instead. > >If you want to subscribe or unsubscribe something other than the >account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, >then append that address to the command; for example, to subscribe >"local-jitr": > >subscribe jitr-digest local-jitr@your.domain.net > >A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to >subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "jitr-digest" >in the commands above with "jitr". > >Archives for the list (in monthly non-digest form) can be found at >http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ >=20 Michael O'Rorke Hollywood Stock Exchange=20 225 Arizona Ave., Suite 250=20 Santa Monica, CA 90401=20 Phone: 310.458.1029=20 Fax: 310.458.7595=20 mororke@hsx.com=20 http://www.hsx.com=20 "It's Your Hollywood" From jitr-owner Thu Nov 5 10:00:09 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id KAA21012 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 10:00:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from front3.grolier.fr (front3.grolier.fr [194.158.96.53]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id KAA21008 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 10:00:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from bautin (ppp-112-240.villette.club-internet.fr [194.158.112.240]) by front3.grolier.fr (8.9.0/MGC-980407-Frontal-No_Relay) with SMTP id SAA05842 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 18:59:26 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000e01be08e6$83ecff40$f0709ec2@bautin.club-internet.fr> From: "Bruno" To: "jitr" Subject: My CD recorder is fixed !! Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 18:59:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ The store gave me another brand new CD recorder ;-)) I f you are interested by CDr with all the songs you search , let me know... Bruno's Page: http://www.mygale.org/02/autin Où est le Roi perdu ? From jitr-owner Thu Nov 5 12:33:59 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id MAA21518 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 12:33:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from front1.grolier.fr (front1.grolier.fr [194.158.96.51]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id MAA21514 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 12:33:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from bautin (ppp-166-153.villette.club-internet.fr [195.36.166.153]) by front1.grolier.fr (8.9.0/MGC-980407-Frontal-No_Relay) with SMTP id VAA09553 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 21:33:51 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <002501be08fc$09212320$99a624c3@bautin.club-internet.fr> From: "Bruno" To: "jitr" Subject: Chiquita : the 30th of november Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 21:36:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hope Floats Sinead O'Connor covers Abba for Omagh. U2, Sinead and Van Morrison turn out for bombing victim tribute album Nothing can repair the damage caused from the most devastating bombing in Northern Ireland's recent history, but affected citizens can find some solace in efforts to alleviate the pain. To date, more than $1.5 million has been raised for the Omagh bombing victims; the leaders of Ireland's peace discussions -- John Hume and David Trimble -- were recently named as this year's Nobel Peace Prize recipients; and, now, the biggest names in Irish music -- U2, Sinead O'Connor, Boyzone, Van Morrison and Ash among them -- have come together to contribute songs to an Omagh tribute album. Set for a November 30 release in the U.K. and Ireland, Across the Bridge of Hope features a plethora of artists who have donated their songs and time to this memorial for the victims of the Aug. 15 bombing. Some previously released songs on the collection include U2's "Please," Boyzone's "Words," Ash's "I'm Gonna Fall," the Corrs' "What Can I Do?" and the Divine Comedy's "Sunrise." In addition, new age artist Enya contributed a new version on "Silent Night," and Van Morrison recorded a special acoustic version of "The Healing Game," which features the Chieftains' Paddy Moloney. O'Connor contributes the album's first single -- an adaptation of Abba's lighthearted "Chiquitita." "She took what was a pop piece and brought it down-tempo to the place where you realize what a fantastic song it is," says Ross Graham, the album's coordinator. Graham said that numerous English and American artists wanted to take part in the project, however, the Northern Irish businessman decided to showcase only Irish artists for integrity's sake. "The songs [from English musicians] didn't seem to be close enough emotionally to the context of the record," Graham says. "[American artist] James Taylor sent in a song called 'From Belfast to Boston' that was written about Northern Ireland and the Irish question: How can we resolve the conflict and animosity between the two communities?" Bruno's Page: http://www.mygale.org/02/autin Où est le Roi perdu ? From jitr-owner Thu Nov 5 12:35:53 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id MAA21554 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 12:35:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from front2.grolier.fr (front2.grolier.fr [194.158.96.52]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id MAA21550 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 12:35:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from bautin (ppp-166-153.villette.club-internet.fr [195.36.166.153]) by front2.grolier.fr (8.9.0/MGC-980407-Frontal-No_Relay) with SMTP id VAA19726 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 21:35:46 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <002701be08fc$4da6a420$99a624c3@bautin.club-internet.fr> From: "Bruno" To: "jitr" Subject: whole article Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 21:38:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Sorry a part of the article was missing.. Hope Floats Sinead O'Connor covers Abba for Omagh. U2, Sinead and Van Morrison turn out for bombing victim tribute album Nothing can repair the damage caused from the most devastating bombing in Northern Ireland's recent history, but affected citizens can find some solace in efforts to alleviate the pain. To date, more than $1.5 million has been raised for the Omagh bombing victims; the leaders of Ireland's peace discussions -- John Hume and David Trimble -- were recently named as this year's Nobel Peace Prize recipients; and, now, the biggest names in Irish music -- U2, Sinead O'Connor, Boyzone, Van Morrison and Ash among them -- have come together to contribute songs to an Omagh tribute album. Set for a November 30 release in the U.K. and Ireland, Across the Bridge of Hope features a plethora of artists who have donated their songs and time to this memorial for the victims of the Aug. 15 bombing. Some previously released songs on the collection include U2's "Please," Boyzone's "Words," Ash's "I'm Gonna Fall," the Corrs' "What Can I Do?" and the Divine Comedy's "Sunrise." In addition, new age artist Enya contributed a new version on "Silent Night," and Van Morrison recorded a special acoustic version of "The Healing Game," which features the Chieftains' Paddy Moloney. O'Connor contributes the album's first single -- an adaptation of Abba's lighthearted "Chiquitita." "She took what was a pop piece and brought it down-tempo to the place where you realize what a fantastic song it is," says Ross Graham, the album's coordinator. Graham said that numerous English and American artists wanted to take part in the project, however, the Northern Irish businessman decided to showcase only Irish artists for integrity's sake. "The songs [from English musicians] didn't seem to be close enough emotionally to the context of the record," Graham says. "[American artist] James Taylor sent in a song called 'From Belfast to Boston' that was written about Northern Ireland and the Irish question: How can we resolve the conflict and animosity between the two communities?" Taylor's song was initially considered for the compilation, but the organizers decided it belongs on a special U.S. version of Across the Bridge of Hope, tentatively set for a St. Patrick's Day (March 17, 1999) release. Nanci Griffith also discussed donating a song to the U.S. collection, Graham says. The album is further augmented by two poems read by actor Liam Neeson. Seamus Heaney, Ireland's Nobel Laureate in Poetry, handpicked the first, "The Cure at Troy." The second poem, from which the album borrows its name, was penned by twelve-year-old Sean McLaughlin shortly before he was killed by in the bombing. It reads: "Orange and green it does not matter/United now, don't shatter our dream/Scatter the seeds of peace over our land/So we can travel, hand in hand/Across the bridge of hope." All proceeds from the album will benefit the Omagh Memorial Trust, which was created to assist the families of the bomb's victims as well as any future memorials and related charities. ARI BENDERSKY (November 2, 1998) Bruno's Page: http://www.mygale.org/02/autin Où est le Roi perdu ? From jitr-owner Fri Nov 6 01:38:06 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id BAA25730 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:38:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from main.netspace.com.mx (qmailr@main.netspace.com.mx [200.38.249.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id BAA25726 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:37:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:37:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 30211 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1998 09:37:59 -0000 Received: from usr026.netspace.com.mx (HELO ?200.38.249.91?) (200.38.249.91) by main.netspace.com.mx with SMTP; 6 Nov 1998 09:37:59 -0000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: jitr@postmodern.com From: johnny@netspace.com.mx (Juan Manuel Garcia) Subject: Video "this is a rebel song" Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello JITR, i'm desesperate to looking for a copy of video "this is a rebel song", i can view in both formats VHS American NTSC or European PAL, please let me know if u have it. Thanks!!!! Johnny From jitr-owner Fri Nov 6 02:00:59 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id CAA25811 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 02:00:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from merchant.amb.kz ([195.82.6.130]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id CAA25807 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 02:00:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by MERCHANT with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 16:02:17 +0600 Message-ID: <9E1A73CFA562D21188D900203575A300015A89@MERCHANT> From: "Zhanet B. Turarbekova" To: jitr Subject: trade Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 16:02:16 +0600 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello good ppl of jitr, well I was advised that if I want to trade the tape that I've made at Fleadh Festival this summer I have to do it now:) The quality of the tape is pretty good it lasts for about 30 min and I think all the songs that Sinead was performed are on the tape. So I'd like to trade it but I don't know what can I have for it:))) If anyone interested and can offer something pls mail me privately:) thank you for hearing me! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------ Zhanet B. Turarbekova Almaty Merchant Bank International Division tel: (3272)503040 ext. 1219 "fight the real enemy!" fax: (3272) 501995 SINEAD O'CONNOR From jitr-owner Fri Nov 6 21:12:19 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id VAA28440 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 21:12:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (f214.hotmail.com [207.82.251.105]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with SMTP id VAA28436 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 21:12:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 27931 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 1998 05:11:38 -0000 Message-ID: <19981107051138.27930.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.49.61.103 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 06 Nov 1998 21:11:37 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.49.61.103] From: "Ben Adams" To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Special Child UK - thin, thick?? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 21:11:37 PST Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Can someone tell me: was the UK edition of My Special Child released in a SLIM cd-case or in a regular one??? Thank you... I know it seems like a dumb question, but I need to know this. #Ben ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jitr-owner Sat Nov 7 12:27:43 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id MAA02491 for jitr-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 12:27:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id MAA02487 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 12:27:39 -0800 (PST) From: Pixleypie@aol.com Received: from Pixleypie@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 2RKSa04134 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 15:26:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 15:26:43 EST To: jitr@postmodern.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: jitr-digest V4 #319 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 78 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello jitr, I just heard that Sinead has a new song on the "you've Got Mail" soundtrack, a cover of a Harry Nillson song. This soundtrack is due out sometime in late November. Does anyone know the name of the song and which of Harry's lp's it comes from? Kevin From jitr-owner Sat Nov 7 17:13:25 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id RAA02911 for jitr-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 17:13:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from degas.telebyte.nl (root@degas.telebyte.nl [194.235.214.15]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id RAA02907 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 17:13:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from jarb (tc1-47.tc.telebyte.nl [194.235.222.176]) by degas.telebyte.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA04726 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 02:13:11 +0100 Message-ID: <000301be0ab4$bc49d960$b0deebc2@jarb> From: "Mars-L" To: "Jitr-digest" Subject: Completely Unreleased Tape Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 02:10:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello, Someone asked me to dub all unreleased songs on tape. To my wonder it all fitted exactly on one tape...... I've used my "main" sources to make the tape, which makes the quality better then I ever made them before (remember some RealAudio files on the old homepage). This doesn't mean the quality is of cd quality, simply because some songs are recorded by audience, copies of copies, 3rd generation video copies or whatever. But I doubt you will find the songs in a better quality. The quality differs from reasonable to good. I didn't record it with DOLBY or shit like that, simply because I hate that. It doesn't only fade the hiss away, but also a lot of other original sounds are faded away by DOLBY. If you're also interested in this Chrome 90 minute tape; I can send you a copy of it for $6 in Europe or $7 outside Europe. POSTAGE INCLUDED. This way I make $1 profit (if the $ finally stops lowering it's value), of which I can buy/trade new live (1997/1998) tapes. Here's a list plus details about the songs All 25 songs contain Sinead on lead vocals unless mentioned otherwise; 1) AVE MARIA (01:25) taken from the Hush A Bye Baby Movie, entirely different to the released version. Different music, different lyrics. Not the complete song (which is so far unavailable), but enough to start liking it. A.k.a. The Angelus Bells 2) CHIQUITITA (02:30) An ABBA cover recorded some weeks ago on the UK-BBC Ben Elton Show. Entire songs. 3) FACTORY GIRL (03:00) Traditional song Recorded in 1995 from Italian TV (RAI DUE) from a live concert. Entire song 4) SONG WITH NO NAME (02:15) Shane McGowan cover. Recorded from a TV-Special about Shane McGowan. Studio song, without audience. Entire song. 5) WAR (03:00) Bob Marley cover. Recorded from Saturday Night Live, but not the airing version, this is the try-out version. The song is more quiet, as the aired version, where she became rawer during the song. She sings much clearer and the song lasts longer. Entire song. 6) YOU'D BE SURPRISED (00:50) Cover of....... (at least also done by Marilyn Monroe). Taken from a studio recording session, from a tv-special entitled "Coffee and Cigarettes". This is a small part of the song, incomplete, but all that's available. 7) GET UP, STAND UP (06:45) Bob Marley cover. Recorded from a concert in Chili (the Amnesty International concert in 1991). Sinead sings as a member of a huge choir. She has a small solo in it. 8) WHERE'S A WOMAN TO GO (04:15) Performed by Dusty Springfield in 1995 from UK-TV BBC "Jools Holland". Sinead is a member of the backing choir. You can barely hear her. But because I have a video of it I'm sure she sings ;-)))) 9) DREAM A LITTLE DREAM (01:35) Recorded from a 1995 Israelian TV from a concert registration performed in Jerusalem. 10) ROISIN DUBH (01:11) Traditional song, taken from a video about Irish history (The Long Journey Home). From 1997, not a complete song with over dubs, but all what's available. 11) EVERYTHING COMES FROM YOU (00:30) Taken from the CD-ROM X-Plora of Peter Gabriel. This song was meant for a new CD on his label. But never got released. Incomplete song (but all there is, to my knowledge) 12) DANNY BOY (01:45) Traditional song A version of 1996. Taken from a tv-special about this specific song. This version is very different to the released version which can be found on Davy Spillane's album. (Personally I prefer this earlier version, not as slow as the released on). 13) I AM NOT YOUR BABY (04:25) An alternate version of this song. A really finished version, but different to the released version. This one was aired once on US radio, and is taken from Internet. Quieter/softer version. Complete song 14) DONALD O (03:25) Traditional song. Taken from a bootleg (Lion In The Cage) unreleased song as performed during some concerts in 1990. Complete song. 15) BLACK IS THE COLOR (03:40) Taken from a bootleg (Lion In The Cage) unreleased song as performed during some concerts in 1990. Complete song. 16) THE BIG MUSIC (03:54) A song of The Waterboys, taken from one of their concerts from 1985 (!!!) where Sinead did the backing vocals. Complete song. 17) SOMETIMES I FEEL (LIKE A MOTHERLESS CHILD) (06:25) A very passionate song. Performed in 1990 on at least one concert, sounds like she's improvising the entire song. Complete song. 18) SWEET VIOLETS (01:15) An funny, laughable song. Done in 1995 in London. Sounds like a children-song. (Old MacDonald like) Complete song. 19) BEAUTIFUL BUNDORAN (00:23) Snippet taken from the movie "The Butcher Boy". Not the complete song, but all what's included in the movie. 20) THE HAND THAT ROCKS THE CRADLE (04:45) A cover of a The Smiths song (?) performed several times on concerts in 1988. Complete song. 21) ANARCHIE GORDON (07:20) Performed several times during her 1990 tour. Complete song 22) CAN'T DO A THING ABOUT IT (05:50) A song by ??? during the celebration of the 50th aniversary of Roger Daltrey. Sinead sings backing vocals. 23) BABY O'RILEY (07:10) A song by the Chieftains & others during the celebration of the 50th aniversary of Roger Daltrey. Sinead sings clearly backing vocals. 24) AFTER THE FIRE (04:50) A song by the Chieftains & others during the celebration of the 50th aniversary of Roger Daltrey. Sinead sings clearly backing vocals. 25) SAVAGE EARTH HEART (07.25) A 1986 (!!!) live song by The Waterboys, where Sinead performs/yells the backing vocals. Worst quality, that's why it's at the end of the tape, it's also abridged about 90 seconds before it's end. If you're also interested in this Chrome 90 minute tape; I can send you a copy of it for $6 in Europe or $7 outside Europe. POSTAGE INCLUDED. This way I make $1 profit, of which I can buy/trade new live (1997/1998) tapes. --- Mars-L ------------------------------------------------------------ Co-editor of the Sinead O'Connor Mainpage http://sinead-oconnor.com --- bobbink@telebyte.nl ------------------------------------------ From jitr-owner Sat Nov 7 19:00:54 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id TAA03090 for jitr-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 19:00:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.skyspan.net (mail.skyspan.net [208.215.235.11]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id TAA03086 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 19:00:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [206.163.82.188] by mail.skyspan.net with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.1); Sat, 7 Nov 1998 21:08:38 +0000 Subject: Re: Completely Unreleased Tape Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 19:01:03 -0800 x-sender: mick%rynosoft.com@mail.skyspan.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Mitchell J Laurren-Ring To: "Mars-L" , "Jitr-digest" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <1301649576-260525426@mail.skyspan.net> Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Mars-L said: >If you're also interested in this Chrome 90 minute tape; I can send you a >copy of it for $6 in Europe or $7 outside Europe. POSTAGE INCLUDED. This way >I make $1 profit (if the $ finally stops lowering it's value), of which I >can buy/trade new live (1997/1998) tapes. I realize you're doing this innocently and are well-intentioned, but doesn't it strike you wrong that you're making money off Sinead's music without her permission or even knowledge? -Mick From jitr-owner Sat Nov 7 19:17:18 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id TAA03143 for jitr-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 19:17:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from gold.com.br (gold-3.horizontes.com.br [200.215.160.64]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id TAA03139 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 19:16:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from default (line0543.horizontes.com.br [200.215.163.252]) by gold.com.br (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA30167; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 01:09:12 -0200 Message-ID: <36450B5D.36AD@horiz.com.br> Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 01:09:17 -0200 From: "Christiane R. Albuquerque" Reply-To: newskria@horiz.com.br X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mitchell J Laurren-Ring CC: Mars-L , Jitr-digest Subject: Re: Completely Unreleased Tape References: <1301649576-260525426@mail.skyspan.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Mitchell J Laurren-Ring wrote: > > Mars-L said: > > >If you're also interested in this Chrome 90 minute tape; I can send you a > >copy of it for $6 in Europe or $7 outside Europe. POSTAGE INCLUDED. This way > >I make $1 profit (if the $ finally stops lowering it's value), of which I > >can buy/trade new live (1997/1998) tapes. > > I realize you're doing this innocently and are well-intentioned, but > doesn't it strike you wrong that you're making money off Sinead's music > without her permission or even knowledge? > > -Mick I don't think so.... he's helping HER making money since he's making her work known, and since these songs aren't in albums or can't be found he's not avoiding her from making money (i.e., people won't buy the tape instead of an album). Besides, if $1 is to make money.... This is not have profit, it's just a small reward for the trouble he has in copying these things... which are great, btw (I have them)... Chris -- ************************************************************************ "clue number two was the look that you wore n' that's when I knew, it was a pretty good sign that something was wrong up on cloud number nine" (BA) ************************************************************************ http://members.wbs.net/homepages/k/r/i/krikaa.html The Reason I Wear Black! THE Keith Scott's page: http://keithscott.bryanadams.net OR http://www.gold.com.br/~newskria From jitr-owner Sat Nov 7 19:21:03 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id TAA03183 for jitr-outgoing; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 19:21:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.skyspan.net (mail.skyspan.net [208.215.235.11]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id TAA03179 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 19:20:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [206.163.82.188] by mail.skyspan.net with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.1); Sat, 7 Nov 1998 21:28:42 +0000 Subject: Re: Completely Unreleased Tape Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 19:21:07 -0800 x-sender: mick%rynosoft.com@mail.skyspan.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Mitchell J Laurren-Ring To: cc: "Mars-L" , "Jitr-digest" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <1301648371-260597981@mail.skyspan.net> Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Christiane R. Albuquerque said: >I don't think so.... he's helping HER making money since he's making her >work known, and since these songs aren't in albums or can't be found >he's not avoiding her from making money (i.e., people won't buy the tape >instead of an album). Well, that's an entirely different matter, but I did not say she was losing money from his efforts. > Besides, if $1 is to make money.... This is not >have profit, it's just a small reward for the trouble he has in copying >these things... which are great, btw (I have them)... I guess I'm just not used to that mentality. All the past tape trees that I have been involved in work for cost and cost alone. Nobody makes money. Everybody does it for the love of the music and the love of sharing the music. Perhaps too idealistic... -Mick From jitr-owner Sun Nov 8 00:47:27 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id AAA05510 for jitr-outgoing; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 00:47:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgate1.telekabel.at (mgate.telekabel.at [195.34.133.20]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) with ESMTP id AAA05506 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 00:47:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from rs1 ([195.34.154.176]) by mgate1.telekabel.at (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-57067U15000L15000S0V35) with SMTP id AAA6679 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 09:47:15 +0100 From: "Roman Szendrey" To: "JITR Postings" Subject: RE: Completely Unreleased Tape Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 09:48:15 +0100 Message-ID: <001a01be0af4$8644b3e0$b09a22c3@telekabel.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1301648371-260597981@mail.skyspan.net> Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.94.4 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ > > Besides, if $1 is to make money.... This is not > >have profit, it's just a small reward for the trouble he has in copying > >these things... which are great, btw (I have them)... > > I guess I'm just not used to that mentality. All the past tape trees that > I have been involved in work for cost and cost alone. Nobody makes money. > Everybody does it for the love of the music and the love of sharing the > music. > > Perhaps too idealistic... maybe. ;-) marcel is just helping her fans getting songs she never released. if you take the costs of a tape, the envelope + postage i doubt that he'll get rich from it. at least *I* wouldn't do it for this amount. i'm sure that marcel will send you the tape for free if you got something to trade (some of the things he's been searching for year). :-) bye roman -------------------------------------------------- roman szendrey (roman@szendrey.com) http://www.szendrey.com/homepage.htm http://www.sinead-oconnor.com vienna / austria -------------------------------------------------- From jitr-owner Sun Nov 8 03:15:39 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-980201) id DAA05783 for jitr-outgoing; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 03:15:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from degas.telebyte.nl (root@degas.telebyte.nl [194.235.214.15]) by server.pos