From jitr-owner Thu Aug 1 18:29:32 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id SAA11946 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 18:29:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from bbs.phantasy.com (bbs.phantasy.com [156.46.216.10]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with SMTP id SAA11941 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 18:29:27 -0700 (PDT) From: crisis@bbs.phantasy.com Received: from MHS by bbs.phantasy.com with MHS id BECCANEJ ; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 20:34:18 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 20:34:12 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: jitr-digest V2 #172 To: jitr@postmodern.com Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ hello, just a few questions: does anyone have a copy of the lion and the cobra 12" that they would like to sell? and does anyone know the value of the i want your hands on me 12"? reply at crisis@bbs.phantasy.com From jitr-owner Fri Aug 2 01:05:36 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id BAA14239 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 01:05:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from mailhost.pi.net (root@mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id BAA14234 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 01:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ah64.pi.net [145.220.203.64]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.7.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA24790 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:05:14 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:05:14 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:05:14 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960802110157.1f0ffa74@pop.pi.net> X-Sender: anna@pop.pi.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: jitr@postmodern.com From: Eduard Verheijen Subject: dan my boy Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ A few days ago somebody posted a messeage on JITR saying that 4 aug a specail should be on the bbc (brittish television) called dan my boy, in sunshine or in shadow. It was about an old song lot of artists sang, including sinead. Does anybody know where and when it0s broadcasted becouse on the fourth of august it's NOT on the bbc. Eduard ************************************** We never touched, we never kissed **Eduard Verheijen ** Ta bean in Ede a bheadh ag ead liom mur bhfaighfinn ach pog ************************************ From jitr-owner Fri Aug 2 08:45:09 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id IAA14777 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 08:45:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from smartwall.acuson.com (smartwall.acuson.com [157.226.120.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id IAA14767 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 08:45:04 -0700 (PDT) From: dspeirs@acuson.com Received: by smartwall.acuson.com; id IAA05576; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 08:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from speedy.acuson.com(157.226.1.8) by smartwall.acuson.com via smap (V3.1.1) id xma005568; Fri, 2 Aug 96 08:38:49 -0400 Received: from ccgate.acuson.com by speedy.acuson.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26981; Fri, 2 Aug 96 08:42:00 PDT Received: from ccMail by ccgate.acuson.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA839000985; Fri, 02 Aug 96 08:42:21 PST Date: Fri, 02 Aug 96 08:42:21 PST Message-Id: <9607028390.AA839000985@ccgate.acuson.com> To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Colorfield - SHE Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ I have an excellent copy of the Colorfield's SHE with Monkeys In Winter on the b-side. This 12" is very rare, especially in this condition. If you are interested, please e-mail me. Dan From jitr-owner Fri Aug 2 08:52:40 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id IAA14858 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 08:52:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from arl-img-4.compuserve.com (arl-img-4.compuserve.com [149.174.217.134]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with SMTP id IAA14853 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 08:52:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by arl-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id LAA17349; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:51:55 -0400 Date: 02 Aug 96 11:50:46 EDT From: M Chandler <101517.647@CompuServe.COM> To: Sinead Mailing List Subject: Danny Boy Message-ID: <960802155046_101517.647_IHK92-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ "Danny Boy - in Sunshine or in Shadow", will be on ITV on Sunday August 4th at 11:15pm (GMT) Meghan From jitr-owner Fri Aug 2 11:12:04 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id LAA15550 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:12:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from dns2.noc.best.net (dns2.noc.best.net [206.86.0.21]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with SMTP id LAA15545 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:12:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA02449 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:11:49 -0700 Received: from [205.149.181.22] (digab.vip.best.com [205.149.181.22]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA16252 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:10:33 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 23:10:41 -0700 To: jitr@postmodern.com From: digab@best.com (sorina) Subject: Re: Sinead in Irish Times 7-30-96 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Well done sinead for standing up for the rights of the Irish people from Northern ireland! (it doesn't matter if they're a minority or a majority, they just ARE!) it is nice to know that people like Sinead, who are well known at home and abroad, decide to speak up. I think if we all sent protest letters like these chances are the voices of the opressed could be heard!! ******************************************************************** Also, there is a former irish POW that escaped from a Belfast prison and settled in the US, living here in San Francisco until recentely. Now he faces extradition and going back to the Maze prison in Belfast. that would equal death to him, as the british authorities aren't known to be friendly to Irish escapees, much less POW's. His name is Jimmy Smyth and he's now waiting for the sentence in a federal prison in Pleasanton/CA. His life that he tried to build here in San Francisco since he came here in 84, is falling apart! Jimmy Smyth is NOT guilty, he's never commited any crimes according to the US laws, and unless we take action he will be another innocent victim of the British legal system. We can all urge president Clinton to order the State department NOT to approve the extradition warrant!! He's the only one who has the power to do so. Please fax the White House at: (202) 456-2461. From jitr-owner Fri Aug 2 11:22:11 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id LAA15613 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:22:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from monet.telebyte.nl (root@monet-old.telebyte.nl [193.67.242.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id LAA15608 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:22:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from default (nm-0-00.telebyte.nl [194.235.214.192]) by monet.telebyte.nl (8.7.3/8.6.11) with SMTP id UAA03087 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 20:22:12 +0200 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960802182138.0070abc4@pop.telebyte.nl> X-Sender: bobbink@pop.telebyte.nl (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 20:21:38 +0200 To: Sinead Mailing List From: Mars-L Subject: Oxygen is busted. Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello, At the moment they are working hard to bust all bootleg factories. And it works.... A few months ago they busted the factory that made the Lion In The Cage. Last week they busted the factory/person that made the Visions CD. The Lion In The Cage was already hard to find if not impossible Finding Beautiful Vision takes a while But now also the last one Visions will be impossible soon, I bought the last one I know of today for myself. So you're lucky if you find one now or already have it. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * I jumped in the river * * HTTP://WWW.TELEBYTE.NL/~BOBBINK/ * * and I like it there * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From jitr-owner Fri Aug 2 14:45:11 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id OAA16312 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 14:45:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from mail-e2b-service.gnn.com (mail-e2b-service.gnn.com [204.148.102.170]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id OAA16307 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 14:45:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 43-60.client.gnn.com. (43-60.client.gnn.com [205.188.43.60]) by mail-e2b-service.gnn.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA21635 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 17:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608022144.RAA21635@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com> X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 16:43:42 From: Gaeltacht@gnn.com (Cecilia Bonnor) To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: sineadian moments in dublin city Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ as i walked down henry street, in dublin, on a calm saturday morning, there was sinead o'connor's "nothing compares 2 u" pouring out of a record shop. at the national library of ireland, there's a copy of jimmy guterman's book called ___sinead___. joseph o'connor, sinead's brother, writes for the ___herald tribune__. whilst he is a celebrated short-story writer, it seems that he and sinead don't see eye-to-eye. most people i spoke with, seemed to dislike sinead. i can see why this is so, but i still find myself agreeing with sinead. ireland is such a load of contradictions for me...two weeks ago, the loyalist forces caused a bomb scare on o'connell street. it was a very frightening moment and i do believe that the wrath of the war will shake the foundations of the south, unless the people speak up. if you walk down o'connell street, to the GPO, you can see the bullet marks from the war of 1916...i thought i heard sinead's voice at the bad ass cafe, where she waitressed when she was young. the most romantic thing i experienced was when i walked across the ha'penny bridge, during a rainstorm. this moment was cathartic... --frog-- england and america are two countries divided by a common language-- --g.b.shaw From jitr-owner Sat Aug 3 04:12:29 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id EAA19864 for jitr-outgoing; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 04:12:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from cs.huji.ac.il (cs.huji.ac.il [132.65.16.10]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with SMTP id EAA19859 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 04:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pita.cs.huji.ac.il by cs.huji.ac.il with SMTP id AA14410 (5.67b/HUJI 4.153 for ); Sat, 3 Aug 1996 14:11:19 +0300 From: Yoav Gonen Received: (from yogon@localhost) by pita.cs.huji.ac.il (8.7/1.1c) id OAA02454 for jitr@postmodern.com; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 14:11:16 +0300 (IDT) Message-Id: <199608031111.OAA02454@pita.cs.huji.ac.il> Subject: Re: jitr-digest V2 #174 To: jitr@postmodern.com Date: Sat, 3 Aug 96 14:11:15 EET DST In-Reply-To: <199608030800.BAA19487@server.postmodern.com>; from "owner-jitr-digest@postmodern.com" at Aug 3, 96 1:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ > ******************************************************************** > Also, there is a former irish POW that escaped from a Belfast prison and > settled in the US, living here in San Francisco until recentely. Now he > faces extradition and going back to the Maze prison in Belfast. that would > equal death to him, as the british authorities aren't known to be friendly > to Irish escapees, much less POW's. His name is Jimmy Smyth and he's now > waiting for the sentence in a federal prison in Pleasanton/CA. His life > that he tried to build here in San Francisco since he came here in 84, is > falling apart! Jimmy Smyth is NOT guilty, he's never commited any crimes > according to the US laws, and unless we take action he will be another > innocent victim of the British legal system. We can all urge president > Clinton to order the State department NOT to approve the extradition > warrant!! He's the only one who has the power to do so. > > Please fax the White House at: (202) 456-2461. I must protest! I don't know exactly what Jimmy Smyth crime was. Maybe he IS innocent. But I do know that many north irish men commited terrible crimes towards innocent people and humanity in general. So you can't just ask us to fax the white house without telling us what crime he has done, which I suspect you yourself don't know. And how dare you put it in any relation to what Sinead O'Connor does or writes! The fact that we love Sinead's music doesn't mean that we must protect each low Irish criminal on earth! Yoav From jitr-owner Sat Aug 3 05:31:31 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id FAA19961 for jitr-outgoing; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 05:31:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from ping.at (pong.ping.at [193.81.13.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with SMTP id FAA19956 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 05:31:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from site51.ping.at by ping.at with UUCP id AA02940 (5.67b8/ping for jitr@postmodern.com); Sat, 3 Aug 1996 14:31:13 +0200 Received: by site51.ping.at (CrossPoint v3.11); 03 Aug 1996 14:30:36 +0200 Date: 03 Aug 1996 14:17:00 +0200 From: szendrey@site51.ping.at (Roman Szendrey) To: jitr@postmodern.com Message-Id: <6E876FVDe6B@site51.ping.at> References: <1.5.4.32.19960802182138.0070abc4@pop.telebyte.nl> Subject: Re: Oxygen is busted. X-Mailer: CrossPoint v3.11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello Marcel, 02.08.96 / 20:21: You wrote in /Mailinglisten/JITR about "Oxygen is busted.": > At the moment they are working hard to bust all bootleg factories. And it > works.... > A few months ago they busted the factory that made the Lion In The Cage. > Last week they busted the factory/person that made the Visions CD. sad to hear. i guess they were just in the wrong countries. > The Lion In The Cage was already hard to find if not impossible > Finding Beautiful Vision takes a while i'm sure i can still get some copies of "beautiful vision" but "lion in the cage" seems to be impossible. *legalize it*!!! ;-) roman ---------------------------------------------------- roman szendrey (szendrey@site51.ping.at) fidonet: 2:310/25.50 compuserve: 100347,612 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/szendrey/ vienna / austria ---------------------------------------------------- ## CrossPoint v3.11 ## From jitr-owner Sat Aug 3 16:00:15 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id QAA20666 for jitr-outgoing; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 16:00:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from suba01.suba.com (suba01.suba.com [198.87.202.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with SMTP id PAA20645 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 15:58:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [198.87.202.167] (dial40.suba.com [198.87.202.167]) by suba01.suba.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id RAA27291; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 17:53:38 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 17:56:20 -0600 To: Al H Carrillo , brejcha@mcs.com, cjw@interlog.com (Craig James White), President@Whitehouse.gov, rgchris@ENH.NIST.GOV, chifilm@tezcat.com, FrederD@aol.com, ibs446@lulu.acns.nwu.edu, Jungle@physics.ucla.edu, DCatlett@aol.com, Janet@eisinfo.demon.co.uk, jchris@comet.net, JaSchwab@aol.com, jschwab@planning.org, disornge@iastate.edu (Joe Benesh, King of Disco!), Julio Perillan , kstanton@nsf.gov, stesal@tezcat.com, hq015@cleveland.Freenet.Edu, Jachristen@aol.com, judyc@erols.com, monitor@artic.edu, QUARKXPR@IUBVM.UCS.INDIANA.EDU, nation@mcs.com, U44313@UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU, seaquest@mwt.net, jitr@postmodern.com, st04060@cihe.ac.uk, stoff@mail.msen.com, Moscoops@aol.com, albreda@aol.com, Tom Lyons , TA630@aol.com, lindstro@chmi.cz, ccatlett@PORT.ess.harris.com.postmodern.com (Charlie Catlett), wonderland@tcp.com From: generic@suba.com (Charles Christensen) Subject: Address Change! Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Please replace "GenericDzn@aol.com" (charles christensen) with: generic@suba.com in your address books.... Both accounts will be active, but the suba.com account will be the primary one from now on.... This account is replacing the America Online account... better change my entry in your e-address book to: ---------------generic@suba.com------------------- Cheap Generic Design's website is moving soon! Details to follow! For now, it's still..... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://www.videos.com/cgdesign/index.htm -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From jitr-owner Sun Aug 4 15:21:12 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id PAA23935 for jitr-outgoing; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 15:21:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (root@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au [130.102.2.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id PAA23930 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 15:21:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dingo.cc.uq.oz.au (root@dingo.cc.uq.oz.au [130.102.2.14]) by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA03490 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 08:20:42 +1000 Received: from dingo.cc.uq.oz.au (tpmraymo@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP id IAA23623 (8.7.5/IDA-1.6 for ); Mon, 5 Aug 1996 08:20:30 +1000 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 08:20:24 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Myriam Raymond X-Sender: tpmraymo@dingo.cc.uq.oz.au To: Mailing List JITR Subject: Re: Oxygen is busted. In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19960802182138.0070abc4@pop.telebyte.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Maybe there is a good and fair reason for "busting" criminals who make money out of other people's work. Just my honest opinion. Myriam. > At the moment they are working hard to bust all bootleg factories. And it Myriam Raymond CRC for Tropical Pest Management Ph. +61 7 32421863 Level 5 Gehrmann Building M.Raymond@mailbox.uq.edu.au University of Queensland http://www.uq.edu.au/~tpmraymo From jitr-owner Sun Aug 4 15:35:59 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id PAA24004 for jitr-outgoing; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 15:35:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from hula.maui.net (hula.maui.net [206.154.205.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with SMTP id PAA23999 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 15:35:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maui52.maui.net (maui52.maui.net [206.154.205.102]) by hula.maui.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA02225 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 12:35:11 -1000 Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 12:35:11 -1000 Message-Id: <199608042235.MAA02225@hula.maui.net> X-Sender: leads@maui.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: jitr@postmodern.com From: leads@maui.net (Taz) Subject: Re: Oxygen is busted. Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ I can't seem to get this straight! Is "Beautiful Vision" the same as the "Visions" CD? >Hello Marcel, > >02.08.96 / 20:21: You wrote in /Mailinglisten/JITR >about "Oxygen is busted.": > >> At the moment they are working hard to bust all bootleg factories. And it >> works.... >> A few months ago they busted the factory that made the Lion In The Cage. >> Last week they busted the factory/person that made the Visions CD. > >sad to hear. i guess they were just in the wrong countries. > >> The Lion In The Cage was already hard to find if not impossible >> Finding Beautiful Vision takes a while > >i'm sure i can still get some copies of "beautiful vision" but "lion in >the cage" seems to be impossible. > >*legalize it*!!! ;-) > >roman > >---------------------------------------------------- >roman szendrey (szendrey@site51.ping.at) >fidonet: 2:310/25.50 compuserve: 100347,612 >http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/szendrey/ >vienna / austria >---------------------------------------------------- >## CrossPoint v3.11 ## > > From jitr-owner Sun Aug 4 17:25:15 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id RAA24200 for jitr-outgoing; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 17:25:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from mail-e2b-service.gnn.com (mail-e2b-service.gnn.com [204.148.102.170]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id RAA24195 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 17:25:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 24-36.client.gnn.com. (24-36.client.gnn.com [205.188.24.36]) by mail-e2b-service.gnn.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA16388 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 20:24:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608050024.UAA16388@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com> X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 19:23:17 From: Gaeltacht@gnn.com (Cecilia Bonnor) To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Oxygen is busted. Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ without wanting to sound pedantic, i agree with myriam. to use an artist's work without his or her consent is a violation of that individual's worth and integrity as a human being. it's intellectual prostitution. [just think how easy it is to "lift" intellectual property off the internet.] unequivically, --frog-- >Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 08:20:24 +1000 (GMT+1000) >From: Myriam Raymond >Sender: owner-jitr@postmodern.com >To: Mailing List JITR >Subject: Re: Oxygen is busted. > >Maybe there is a good and fair reason for "busting" criminals who make >money out of other people's work. > >Just my honest opinion. > >Myriam. > > >> At the moment they are working hard to bust all bootleg factories. And it > >Myriam Raymond >CRC for Tropical Pest Management Ph. +61 7 32421863 >Level 5 Gehrmann Building M.Raymond@mailbox.uq.edu.au >University of Queensland http://www.uq.edu.au/~tpmraymo > > From jitr-owner Mon Aug 5 03:35:03 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id DAA26614 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 03:35:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from mailhost.pi.net (root@mailhost.pi.net [145.220.3.9]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id DAA26609 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 03:34:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ah30.pi.net [145.220.203.30]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.7.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA22283 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 12:34:41 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 12:34:41 +0200 (MET DST) Posted-Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 12:34:41 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960805133114.2027b238@pop.pi.net> X-Sender: anna@pop.pi.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: jitr@postmodern.com From: Eduard Verheijen Subject: visions and beautiful vision Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Beautiful vision is a complete different cd (bootleg) than vision. Beautiful vision is recorded at the hammersmith odean, april 24th 1990 and contains the next songs: - Feel so different - The emperor's new clothes - I want your hands on me - You couse as much sorrow - Three babies - Black boys on mopeds - The last day of our acquintance - Nothing compares 2u - jump in the river - Jerusalem - Mandina - Troy This concert is also released under differnt names. This far i saw bootlegs called - Live usa - Histoire D' and a tape of this concert called London live The latest sinead bootleg is called visions. It's recorded in italy on april 8th and holland on june 5th and contains tracks as fire on babylon, thank you for hearing me, in this heart, famine etc. But ofcourse this all could be found on marcel's homepage Eduard ******************************************************* * I feel like a monkey in winter * * and it look likes winter has wone * * * * Eduard Verheijen * * * * I'not a liar but i hate liars, so the liars hate me * ******************************************************* From jitr-owner Mon Aug 5 05:58:58 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id FAA26797 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 05:58:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from monet.telebyte.nl (root@monet1.telebyte.nl [193.67.242.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id FAA26792 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 05:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from default (nm-0-15.telebyte.nl [194.235.214.207]) by monet.telebyte.nl (8.7.3/8.6.11) with SMTP id OAA08431 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 14:59:20 +0200 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960805125815.006f9688@pop.telebyte.nl> X-Sender: bobbink@pop.telebyte.nl (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 14:58:15 +0200 To: jitr@postmodern.com From: Mars-L Subject: Re: Oxygen busted Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello, Myriam Raymond wrote; >Maybe there is a good and fair reason for "busting" criminals who make >money out of other people's work. >Just my honest opinion. You're totally right ! That's my opinion too, but I collect Sinead stuff, so I do buy these bootlegs. Maybe not fair, I know.... But buying all her official stuff is all I can do for Sinead and that's what I did. And btw, if anyone who has this opinion also thinks about the audiotapes they have of Sinead's singles etc.... Isn't that also a kind of not paying her ? That's one of the reasons to me why I really only want the official cd's and vinyl. ---------------------- >leads@maui.net (Taz) wrote; >I can't seem to get this straight! Is "Beautiful Vision" the same as the >"Visions" CD? No ! Beautiful Vision is a 1990 concert boot and Visions is a 1995 concert boot. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * I jumped in the river * * HTTP://WWW.TELEBYTE.NL/~BOBBINK/ * * and I like it there * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From jitr-owner Mon Aug 5 06:51:20 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id GAA27006 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 06:51:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from monet.telebyte.nl (root@monet1.telebyte.nl [193.67.242.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id GAA27001 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 06:51:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from default (nm-0-17.telebyte.nl [194.235.214.209]) by monet.telebyte.nl (8.7.3/8.6.11) with SMTP id PAA10139 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 15:51:46 +0200 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960805135042.006ca618@pop.telebyte.nl> X-Sender: bobbink@pop.telebyte.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 15:50:42 +0200 To: Sinead Mailing List From: Mars-L Subject: Sorry Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello, Suzanne Shelton can you please E-mail me ? I don't get response on your adress. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * I jumped in the river * * HTTP://WWW.TELEBYTE.NL/~BOBBINK/ * * and I like it there * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From jitr-owner Mon Aug 5 18:58:26 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id SAA28584 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 18:58:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from bbs.phantasy.com (bbs.phantasy.com [156.46.216.10]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with SMTP id SAA28579 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 18:58:22 -0700 (PDT) From: crisis@bbs.phantasy.com Received: from MHS by bbs.phantasy.com with MHS id BFAFBLFE ; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 21:05:44 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 21:05:26 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: re:oxygen busted To: jitr@postmodern.com Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ hello all, There has to be a fair medium on this topic. While i completely agree with Frog and Myriam that this is theft from the artists, i also think that we have a right to be able to get our hands on music we want. If bootleggers had some sort of agreement with artists or record co.'s then we could possibly have really good recordings of all of our favourite artists, and they can recieve the money that they deserve. I think laws need to be changed and like Mars-L, I believe that it should be legalized, but with SOME regulations. Just my opinion.. BTW: any news of Sineads baby? or any more talk of a new albumn being released? CRISIS From jitr-owner Mon Aug 5 21:13:57 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id VAA28919 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 21:13:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from mail-e2b-service.gnn.com (mail-e2b-service.gnn.com [204.148.102.170]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id VAA28914 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 21:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 14-177.client.gnn.com. (14-177.client.gnn.com [205.188.14.177]) by mail-e2b-service.gnn.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA15747 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 00:13:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608060413.AAA15747@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com> X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 23:11:04 From: Gaeltacht@gnn.com (Cecilia Bonnor) To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: something for sinead o'connor Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ hello jitr people, this is a crazy idea, but then "most" words out of frog's mouth are. so, i thought it would be grand to have a sinead o'connor write-a-thon. what do all of you think? write about how sinead o'connor's music/character has somehow touched you... then these texts could be forwarded to chrysalis in london, on sinead o'connor's birhtday. i don't know, it was just an idea i got whilst taking sinead and joseph [our new pups] out for a walk. just another one of my comments... --frog-- "i am awake". zen buddha From jitr-owner Mon Aug 5 22:58:44 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id WAA29146 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 22:58:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.8]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with SMTP id WAA29141 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 22:58:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from (jpa@vie-va7-02.ix.netcom.com [199.183.208.34]) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA23971 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 22:57:58 -0700 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 22:57:58 -0700 Message-Id: <199608060557.WAA23971@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com> From: jpa@ix.netcom.com (Pierce Askegren ) Subject: re:oxygen busted To: jitr@postmodern.com Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ You wrote: > >hello all, >There has to be a fair medium on this topic. While i completely agree >with Frog and Myriam that this is theft from the artists, i also think >that we have a right to be able to get our hands on music we want. I believe absolutely that bootlegs are thefts from the artist, and the the onely music "we have a right to get our hands on" is the music that the artists care to release to us. It's one thing to say that the record companies should release more recordings; it's quite another to buy unauthorized music from bootleg operations, which profits thieves, and does no good to the writers, performers or musicians. Some musicians take a fairly relaxed view on this -- the Grateful Dead, for example -- but most do not. If Sinead O'Connor wants live albums and alternate mixes released, she can probably arrange for it. From jitr-owner Tue Aug 6 13:36:22 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id NAA02699 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 13:36:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from mm1 (mm1.sprynet.com [165.121.2.50]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id NAA02694 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 13:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imusic ([206.213.89.28]) by mm1.sprynet.com with SMTP id <148102-4004>; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 13:31:42 -0700 X-Sender: imusic-artists%imusic.com@mm1.sprynet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: jitr@postmodern.com From: Band BBS Subject: Sinead on iMusic Message-Id: <96Aug6.133142-0700pdt.148102-4004+70@mm1.sprynet.com> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 13:31:36 -0700 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Just a short note to alert members of the jitr list that you also have a more public platform on iMusic. Perhaps a way to recruit more members to the list, maybe a way to spread the word about Sinead, and her incredible talent. iMusic has recently launched a pretty comprehensive BBS system. Feel free to make it your own! Check out the Sinead BBS at: http://imusic.com/cgi-bin/bbs/bbs.cgi?x=sineadoconnor From jitr-owner Wed Aug 7 03:16:51 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id DAA06061 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 03:16:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from suba01.suba.com (suba01.suba.com [198.87.202.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with SMTP id DAA06056 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 03:16:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [198.87.202.149] (dial22.suba.com [198.87.202.149]) by suba01.suba.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id DAA06767; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 03:40:54 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 03:43:16 -0600 To: Al H Carrillo , cjw@interlog.com (Craig James White), President@Whitehouse.gov, rgchris@ENH.NIST.GOV, chifilm@tezcat.com, FrederD@aol.com, ibs446@lulu.acns.nwu.edu, Jungle@physics.ucla.edu, DCatlett@aol.com, Janet@eisinfo.demon.co.uk, jchris@comet.net, JaSchwab@aol.com, jschwab@planning.org, disornge@iastate.edu (Joe Benesh, King of Disco!), Julio Perillan , kstanton@nsf.gov, stesal@tezcat.com, hq015@cleveland.Freenet.Edu, Jachristen@aol.com, judyc@erols.com, monitor@artic.edu, nation@mcs.com, U44313@UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU, seaquest@mwt.net, jitr@postmodern.com, st04060@cihe.ac.uk, stoff@mail.msen.com, Moscoops@aol.com, albreda@aol.com, Tom Lyons , TA630@aol.com, lindstro@chmi.cz, ccatlett@PORT.ess.harris.com (Charlie Catlett), wonderland@tcp.com From: generic@suba.com (Charles Christensen) Subject: New Deluxe Web Site Active! 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For now, it's still..... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://www.videos.com/cgdesign/index.htm -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From jitr-owner Wed Aug 7 22:00:13 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id WAA08110 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 22:00:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from chuma.cas.usf.edu (chuma.cas.usf.edu [131.247.31.3]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id WAA08105 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 22:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (rfernand@localhost) by chuma.cas.usf.edu (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id AAA22146 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 00:54:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 00:54:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "The Devil's Bartender" X-Sender: rfernand@chuma cc: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: re:oxygen busted In-Reply-To: <199608060557.WAA23971@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ On Mon, 5 Aug 1996, Pierce Askegren wrote: > I believe absolutely that bootlegs are thefts from the artist, and the > the onely music "we have a right to get our hands on" is the music that > the artists care to release to us. It's one thing to say that the > record companies should release more recordings; it's quite another to > buy unauthorized music from bootleg operations, which profits thieves, > and does no good to the writers, performers or musicians. Some > musicians take a fairly relaxed view on this -- the Grateful Dead, for > example -- but most do not. > > If Sinead O'Connor wants live albums and alternate mixes released, she > can probably arrange for it. Can she? I think Sinead is the greatest artist in the world, but for Chrysalis, she's merely a midlist artist. I doubt they'd invest in live and remix albums that would sell to a relatively small number of people. Sinead seems to be the type of person that would want her music to touch as many people as possible. I'm not suggesting that she would support people making money off of her work without her getting fair compensation. But the fact is that there are no official live or remix albums (at least that I know of) and they may never exist. But these songs do, and once the concert is over, they're gone. She makes no more money off of them. So what's the harm in preserving them? Artists should, of course, be able to control their work. But we should have a right to access to that work. If she creates a remix or sings a song at a concert, she *obviously* wants someone to hear it. And if there are no official means for me to hear that song, I see no harm in bootlegs. Bootlegs of songs available from other sources are an entirely different story, of course. Lord, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to Robert Fernandez change the things I can, and the wisdom rfernand@chuma.cas.usf.edu to hide the bodies of those people I had to kill because they pissed me off. Poet-warrior of the Woodstock Nation From jitr-owner Wed Aug 7 22:54:45 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id WAA08287 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 22:54:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from bbs.phantasy.com (bbs.phantasy.com [156.46.216.10]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with SMTP id WAA08282 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 22:54:39 -0700 (PDT) From: crisis@bbs.phantasy.com Received: from MHS by bbs.phantasy.com with MHS id ABABANEF ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 01:01:24 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 01:01:12 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: jitr-digest V2 #178 To: jitr@postmodern.com Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ re: oxygen busted/reply to reply hello again, i just wanted to reply to the comment that took my note out of context. please read my statement again. it says that i feel musicians deserve their money for everything. it also says that i like to have everything by an artist, live, ect. and it also says, very obviously in the previous post: i think some laws need to be changed, and bootlegs need to be REGULATED. please do not take things out of context. has anyone checked out that sinead bbs thing? and i think frog's idea for sineads bday was grand, maybe the few of us who appreciate this type of thing should do it personally, as to not jumble up other peoples email boxes... ;( frog, how do you want to handle this on your end?? Crisis From jitr-owner Wed Aug 7 23:16:51 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id XAA08415 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 23:16:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.6]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with SMTP id XAA08410 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 23:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from (jpa@vie-va9-03.ix.netcom.com [199.183.208.99]) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA15998 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 23:16:04 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 23:16:04 -0700 Message-Id: <199608080616.XAA15998@dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com> From: jpa@ix.netcom.com (Pierce Askegren ) Subject: re:oxygen busted To: jitr@postmodern.com Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ The Devil's Bartender wrote: > But the fact is that there are no official live or remix albums (at > least that I know of) and they may never exist. On the other hand, there are beaucoup remixes and live tracks commercially available on CD singles, CD-5s, vinyl, etc. I know; I have lots of 'em. > If she creates a remix or sings a song at a concert, she *obviously* > wants someone to hear it. Regarding songs sung at concerts: someone does hear -- the people at the venue, the live audience for which she performs. Those are the people she sang for, and those are the people who paid to experience that particular performance. You might hear them cheering and applauding in the background of the various live concert bootlegs. They're doing that becuase they heard the song. Regarding remixes, see above. I realize that this is a thorny issue, and that every listener makes his or her own choice. I arrived at mine after realizing that none of the money spent on bootlegs goes to the artist, and that all or most of it go to people who have stolen the artist's work. Since I try to be a moral person, I decline to profit thieves. If Sinead told the world that she thought bootlegs were just great, I might feel differently, but she hasn't -- so I don't. She may not have complete control over the release of her music, but I decline to second-guess what control she does have. (Please note I'm not talking about "fair use" recordings swapped among fans, or even clandestine concert tapes. I'm talking about mass-produced product, made as similar as possible to authorized recordings, churned out by a factory and sold for inflated prices to people who don't seem to realize that the artist is not benefiting from their patronage, and may not be particularly well served by erratic production quality.) In sum, it's your money, and I certainly wouldn't keep from spending it how you like -- but I decline to give mine to blood-sucking leeches who profit on the work of others without recompense or even permission. From jitr-owner Thu Aug 8 02:07:06 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id CAA10391 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 02:07:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from AWIUNI11.EDVZ.UniVie.AC.AT (helios.edvz.univie.ac.at [131.130.1.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with SMTP id CAA10386 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 02:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pars.ipm.ac.ir by AWIUNI11.EDVZ.UniVie.AC.AT (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Thu, 08 Aug 96 11:06:30 MEZ Received: from [194.165.21.2] by pars.ipm.ac.ir with SMTP (5.65/1.2-eef) id AA09772; Wed, 7 Aug 96 14:24:01 +0305 Received: from technical.neda.net.ir by mahtab.neda.net.ir with SMTP (5.65/1.2-eef) id AA25362; Wed, 7 Aug 96 13:43:00 GMT GMT +0330 Message-Id: <9608071343.AA25362@mahtab.neda.net.ir> Received: from TECHNICAL/SpoolDir by technical.neda.net.ir (Mercury 1.13); Wed, 7 Aug 96 14:33:31 -0330 From: afra@neda.net.ir (shaahin) To: jitr@postmodern.com Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 19:37:28 Subject: Re: jitr-digest V2 #166 Reply-To: afra@neda.net.ir Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ hi ! I'm new. I had a question . when is the birth day of sinead. thanx. From jitr-owner Fri Aug 9 23:23:55 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id XAA20600 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 23:23:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from mail-e2b-service.gnn.com (mail-e2b-service.gnn.com [204.148.102.170]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id XAA20595 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 23:23:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 66-121.client.gnn.com. (66-121.client.gnn.com [205.188.66.121]) by mail-e2b-service.gnn.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA20199 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 02:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608100622.CAA20199@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com> X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 01:21:10 From: Gaeltacht@gnn.com (frog) To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: thank you for silence with me Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ hello jitr lurkers/activists/subscribers! it's frog, here! it's lovely to see the number of responses to my earlier post about putting something together for sinead o'connor on her birthday (8 december). so to reiterate my message, i do encourage those of you who so desire to post musings and inner discourse about ms.o'connor and her impact on your existence. let's breathe some life into jitr, again and feel free to de-lurk. if people become irrate over the loads of messages in their mailbox, they can easily delete them. free speech lives!! if, however, one does not feel at ease sharing with the list, one may forward the text to chrysalis in london, or send it to me and i'll put in a binder and send the transcripts to the aforementioned record company. before some jitr subscribers return to the dpeths of lurkdom, i would like to say that i found my time in ireland o, so complex....when i walked along grafton street, i thought of "on raglan road". when i passed glenageary, my mind went into convulsions over __the lion and the cobra__ and troy: "i remember in dublin, in a rainstorm...." . ms. o'connor was born in glenageary, county dublin. but i did not attempt to find her home because i would be reminded of a gloomy childhood and you see, in ireland, anonimity is possible. in dublin, there is a reminder of "the children of lir", and when i visited "the garden of rememberance" (parnell street), it suddenly struck my heart that the children of 1916 had themselves been imprisoned by their step-mother [england]. in that little monument, i spent a quiet time, reflecting on the fountain in the shape of a cross--and tripped tragically across time, to 1798 and then to 1916 ....i was on my own, but yet not alone....the voices of a thousand years still haunt the conscience and the soul. it was somehow strange to hear "what do you want" in dublin...and "women of ireland"....i still have dreams about walking in dublin, on a rainy afternoon...and being moved by the lyric and poetry, of being haunted by northern ireland and then feeling the shock of the i.r.a's and the u.v.f.'s iron fists. when i arrived in belfast, i listened to sinead o'connor intoning "you made the thief of your heart"...was giuseppe conlon breathing from his grave?? i wasn't sure...but i felt it in my bones when there was a bomb scare on o'connell street. it's not the first time there has been sniper-fire....on st. stephen's green, i lay down on the green pasture and listened to __the lion and the cobra___. i realised its fire and thrill as i wrote a page in my life, in memory of poetic ireland. i found it difficult to divorce myself from what sinead o'connor talked about on this record. i found it painful to rebuke my past and confront the barbs of the present. _TLaC__ is such "intolerable music", as yeats would say--it's such terrible beauty and it's the angry young woman demanding awareness. self-awareness. i strain to hear "thank you for hearing me" and the song stirs my soul to peace.... --frog-- ***************************************************************************** "oh, i love __now__, with all my fears and forebodings, for now i still am not completely molded. my life is still just beginning. i am strong. i long for a cause to deovte my energies to...."(97).--sylvia plath, "sylvia plath at seventeen". from:__the essay connection__ by lynn bloom. ***************************************************************************** From jitr-owner Mon Aug 12 00:47:09 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id AAA05896 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 00:47:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from eerie-gw (eerie.eerie.fr [146.19.2.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with SMTP id AAA05771 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 00:47:02 -0700 (PDT) From: fraisse@eerie.fr Received: from mailhost2 ([146.19.5.5]) by eerie-gw (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18578; Mon, 12 Aug 96 09:53:08 +0200 Received: from image4 by image1 (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00997; Mon, 12 Aug 96 09:54:57 +0200 Received: by image4 (4.1/SMI-4.a) id AA02792; Mon, 12 Aug 96 09:49:22 +0200 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 96 09:49:22 +0200 Message-Id: <9608120749.AA02792@image4> To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: re:oxygen busted Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ > I arrived at mine after realizing that none of the money spent > on bootlegs goes to the artist, and that all or most of it go to > people who have stolen the artist's work. In most cases, artists that you can find bootlegs of don't really need money. Bootlegs are a proof of success and popularity. I mean, I really don't care if U2 doesn't receive any money when I buy a bootleg. I believe they can do without. I don't think Sinead really needs money either. And if some people make money out of her work, well that's a good thing for them. Maybe they need money much more than these huge record companies. Successful artists make a lot of money, some make too much money I believe. Sinead deserves the money she makes of course. Take Phil Collins or Elton John, I don't want to know how rich they are. If none of the money spent on bootlegs goes to them, maybe that's not so bad. ciao, cyrille. From jitr-owner Mon Aug 12 06:54:48 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id GAA06900 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 06:54:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from emout12.mail.aol.com (emout12.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.38]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with SMTP id GAA06895 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 06:54:44 -0700 (PDT) From: DJO27@aol.com Received: by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA23222; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 09:57:07 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 09:57:07 -0400 Message-ID: <960812095706_176928298@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: fraisse@eerie.fr, jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Re: re:oxygen busted Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Interesting discussion. I would first say that suggesting that Sinead does not need money is a little presumptuos. However I would argue that as Sinead's mass popularity fades (as most due eventually) that the size and intensity of her "cult" following can be greatly increased by the free trade of bootleg recordings. As someone who has casually followed the Dead for the last twenty years I can tell you it certianly helped there money making potential more than it hurt it. DJO From jitr-owner Mon Aug 12 07:50:44 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id HAA07169 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 07:50:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from mail.xgw.fi (root@xgw1.pal.xgw.fi [193.64.41.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id HAA07164 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 07:50:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xgw15.xgw.fi (xgw15.pal.xgw.fi [193.64.41.15]) by mail.xgw.fi (8.6.11/8.6.4) with ESMTP id RAA05859 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 17:57:20 +0300 Received: (bloke@localhost) by xgw15.xgw.fi (8.6.12/8.6.4) id RAA31917; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 17:33:45 +0300 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 17:33:45 +0300 (EET DST) From: Jani Juvonen To: jitr@server.postmodern.com Subject: bootlegs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ As so many of you seem to worry about their favourite artists not getting money from bootlegs, why don't you just send a cheque to them every time you buy a bootleg...? A couple of bucks should be enough... -Jani Juvonen ------------------------------------------------------------------- E-mail: Home page: http://www.xgw.fi/users/bloke/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From jitr-owner Tue Aug 13 10:25:42 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id KAA03944 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 10:25:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from cs.huji.ac.il (cs.huji.ac.il [132.65.16.10]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with SMTP id KAA03939 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 10:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mangal.cs.huji.ac.il by cs.huji.ac.il with SMTP id AA17234 (5.67b/HUJI 4.153 for ); Tue, 13 Aug 1996 20:25:04 +0300 From: Yoav Gonen Received: (from yogon@localhost) by mangal.cs.huji.ac.il (8.7/1.1c) id UAA29519 for jitr@server.postmodern.com; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 20:24:58 +0300 (IDT) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 20:24:58 +0300 (IDT) Message-Id: <199608131724.UAA29519@mangal.cs.huji.ac.il> To: jitr@server.postmodern.com Subject: re: oxygen Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ I have the feeling that Sinead doesn't have a lot of money today. Remember: her last two albums weren't sold much, so she, in fact didn't earned much in the last four years. Further more, she doesn't have rich family, she isn't murried, and she has two children to feed. She isn't poor either, of course, but the fact that she maybe a little short of money, could be a good news to us, maybe she will decide to return to her pop-star-era, in which she made all the money she has today... Yoav. From jitr-owner Tue Aug 13 12:34:52 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id MAA04570 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 12:34:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from mail-e2b-service.gnn.com (mail-e2b-service.gnn.com [204.148.102.170]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id MAA04565 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 12:34:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 69-17.client.gnn.com. (69-17.client.gnn.com [205.188.69.17]) by mail-e2b-service.gnn.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA05543 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 15:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608131934.PAA05543@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com> X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 14:33:53 From: Gaeltacht@gnn.com (ms.frog) To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: sinead's self-actualisation Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ perhaps sinead does not have so much money. but what is "a lot" of money--and for that matter, what is "enough" money?? i don't know, but i do know that sinead has been and is a self-actualised individual. she did what few well-known people can, which is to exercise her freedom of speech. but more than that, she also accepted the consequences of her actions. sinead is rich because she was able to think about her music in a cosmic and spiritual way. i feel that she transcended the oppression of the individual...she lost herself in the "intolerable music" [yeats] and in the process, she helped many of us discover the monstrous beauty of being. --frog-- ahh, the joy of being bald.... From jitr-owner Tue Aug 13 21:21:12 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id VAA06568 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 21:21:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from infoweb.magi.com (infoweb.magi.com [204.191.213.20]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id VAA06563 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 21:21:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ts12-01.ott.iSTAR.ca (ts10-15.ott.iSTAR.ca [204.191.145.215]) by infoweb.magi.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA27690 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 00:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608140420.AAA27690@infoweb.magi.com> X-Sender: mlalonde@magi.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 00:14:51 -0400 To: jitr@postmodern.com From: mlalonde@magi.com (Michel R. Lalonde) Subject: re:oxygen busted Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hi jitr! I missed the start of this debate ... I've been away a long time (not long enough?) ... but I would just like to put in my two cents worth - At the outset, let me say that I'm ambivalent about the whole issue. From a purely selfish point of view, I can understand the attraction of buying and owning bootlegs. If I could have all of Sinead's performances on tapes or CDs by just wishing it, I would. That being said, I do not own any "bootlegs" per se. But it's not because I'm virtuous .... I just never had the opportunity. Would I buy a bootleg? maybe ... maybe not. I could always try to rationalize it .... but it's all it would be, just rationalization. I do have audio tapes of various artists' performances, including Sinead's, that were "privately" made. Are those considered bootlegs? If so, I'm guilty. That being said, I agree with Cecilia. Selling an artist's work for profit without his or her consent is a violation. I don't like bootlegs ... or rather, the idea that someone other than the artist is making a profit "at the artist's expense" so to speak - i.e. without the artist's consent. It's the issue of illicit profit that leaves a sour taste in my mouth, not the taping of the performance. Cyrille's perspective is somewhat skewed '-)- I don't think it's really a question of whether an artist needs money or not. Or whether the artist should get money. It's the act of profiteering that is the issue. It is not my intention of sounding "preachy". So take what follows more in the spirit of a "tongue in cheek sermon" than anything else! Let's assume that Cyrille gets robbed - be it money or valuables such as all of his U2 and Sinead's CD collection - by some poor soul who is on welfare and needs the money to make ends meet or feed his kids (I can hear the rumbles of the politically correct .... :-)) - or by someone that just want to sell the CDs and make a nice profit with hardly any effort - how would Cyrille feel? Would he welcome the opportunity of getting robbed? I don't know Cyrille, but if I were to use his line of thinking, I would be tempted to say that he doesn't really need the stuff .... he must be well off ... I mean ... he's got a computer, hasn't he? He's probably paying for an internet connection - so he's got money, not to mention insurance that will cover the cost of replacing his collection. So why worry? I don't think Cyrille needs the money. The poor soul that robbed him probably needs it more than Cyrille does. If the "poor soul" can make money out of Cyrille's hard-earned worldly goods, he'll be in much better shape and Cyrille won't be any worse off. Ain't that cool? All this diatribe (or should I use the term hogwash) to say that if one starts bringing the concept of "need" into the equation, then we might as well forget about "principle". And where the hell will we all end up? Mike. p.s. it's all Cecilia's fault anyway ;-) p.p.s. who needs hair anyway? > >In most cases, artists that you can find bootlegs of don't really >need money. Bootlegs are a proof of success and popularity. I mean, >I really don't care if U2 doesn't receive any money when I buy a >bootleg. I believe they can do without. I don't think Sinead really >needs money either. And if some people make money out of her work, >well that's a good thing for them. Maybe they need money much more >than these huge record companies. Successful artists make a lot of >money, some make too much money I believe. Sinead deserves the money >she makes of course. Take Phil Collins or Elton John, I don't want >to know how rich they are. If none of the money spent on bootlegs >goes to them, maybe that's not so bad. > >ciao, cyrille. > > From jitr-owner Fri Aug 16 04:05:21 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id EAA18232 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 04:05:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from monet.telebyte.nl (root@monet1.telebyte.nl [193.67.242.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id EAA18226 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 04:05:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mars-l (pm1-07.nmg.telebyte.nl [194.235.214.199]) by monet.telebyte.nl (8.7.3/8.6.11) with SMTP id NAA03683 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 13:07:13 +0200 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960816110358.00663b18@pop.telebyte.nl> X-Sender: bobbink@pop.telebyte.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 13:03:58 +0200 To: Sinead Mailing List From: Mars-L Subject: Live tapes Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello, I wanna trade some TAPES containing concert recordings does someone have others then the ones below ?? If so; is it possible to make a trade ??? Notation is DAY-MONTH-YEAR (dutch notation, sorry :-) - Boston Massachusetts, Paradise Rock Club 1988 - Holland Utrecht 16-03-1988 - Holland Nijmegen 17-03-1988 - Holland Geleen, Pinkpop 23-05-1988 - USA New York 26-03-1988 - USA Chicago 11-04-1988 - England London 23-04-1990 - USA Illinios 08-04-1990 - USA Mansfield 14-08-1990 - USA Austin 26-05-1990 - USA Philadelphia 07-05-1990 - Holland Rotterdam 30-10-1990 - USA Michigan 16-05-1990 - Belgium Brussels 29-10-1990 - England Glastonbury june 1995 - London 1995 - Holland Geleen Pinkpop 1995 (incl. what is missing on the video) radio rec. - Israel Jerusalem June 16th 1995 (also on video) - ??? Lollapalooza 1995 - And ofcourse the 3 different bootlegs and 2 official video's * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * proud ???? yes !!!! why ???? my sinead homepage * * HTTP://WWW.TELEBYTE.NL/~BOBBINK/SINEAD_MAIN_PAGE.HTM * * is THE LINK on the official chrysalis-records-homepage * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From jitr-owner Sat Aug 17 16:07:37 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id QAA24943 for jitr-outgoing; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 16:07:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from unixg.ubc.ca (mail.unixg.ubc.ca [137.82.27.14]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id QAA24938 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 16:07:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netinfo.ubc.ca (netiback.unixg.ubc.ca [192.168.10.1]) by unixg.ubc.ca (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA24661 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 16:07:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 16:07:31 -0700 (PDT) From: paul kundarewich X-Sender: kundarew@netinfo.ubc.ca To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Is that the cranberries? In-Reply-To: <199512230458.XAA05122@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello - I thought i'd relate a sinead experience i just had. Was in a restraunt and they were playing the lion and the cobra. Guy up at the cash register asked the person behind the counter: "Is that the cranberries?" Gone are the days that deloris (sp) (Whose settled in canada) gets mistaken for sinead. Sinead now gets mistaken for deloris! Paul k From jitr-owner Mon Aug 19 01:27:34 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id BAA04031 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 01:27:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from eerie-gw (eerie.eerie.fr [146.19.2.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with SMTP id BAA04026 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 01:27:29 -0700 (PDT) From: fraisse@eerie.fr Received: from mailhost2 ([146.19.5.5]) by eerie-gw (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03088; Mon, 19 Aug 96 10:33:34 +0200 Received: from image4 by image1 (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10390; Mon, 19 Aug 96 10:35:28 +0200 Received: by image4 (4.1/SMI-4.a) id AA04974; Mon, 19 Aug 96 10:29:46 +0200 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 96 10:29:46 +0200 Message-Id: <9608190829.AA04974@image4> To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: re:oxygen busted Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ It's always nice to read your own story, I have to thank Mike. I've found it rather moving.But I don't think it has much to do with the problem of bootlegs. I think bootlegs can't be compared to a robbery. Nobody can steal a song. You can put it on a cd without consent, but you can't steal it. Besides, I believe that, as soon as a song is released, as soon as the public has access to it, the artist doesn't own it anymore and people can do almost everything they want with the song, including bootlegs or poor covers with a 4 tracks recorder :-> A new song released is a song given to the public. >It's the issue of illicit profit that leaves a >sour taste in my mouth, not the taping of the performance. Illicit profit, I agree.But what is illicit here, is licit there. I even believe that in some countries, bootlegs are allowed or at least tolerated. Anyway, I don't find the problem of illicit profit through bootlegs so serious, because I believe artists are privileged people. I like artists and musicians but I don't pity them, you see? That's why it doesn't leave any "sour taste in my mouth" ;-> Like Crisis, I'd like bootlegs to be regulated. ciao, cyrille. From jitr-owner Mon Aug 19 15:49:34 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id PAA07460 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 15:49:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from mail-e2b-service.gnn.com (mail-e2b-service.gnn.com [204.148.102.170]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id PAA07455 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 15:49:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 53-186.client.gnn.com. (53-186.client.gnn.com [205.188.53.186]) by mail-e2b-service.gnn.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA07306 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 18:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608192248.SAA07306@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com> X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 17:48:41 From: Gaeltacht@gnn.com (frog 0/+) To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: sineadian experiences revisited... Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ hello, sineadian tadpoles....it has been a shitty week for me, as my pups left and went very, very far away. i miss sinead and joseph so much! :( they use to play with the frogs after a rainstorm and i'd take them for a drive in the car, give them cookies at tea-time. they were so tender and sweet. but they're gone...i was a surrogate mother. uh, anyway, there is a small photograph in __us__ magazine of sinead o'connor. she is sitting on the front-door steps of her home, catching a bit of sunlight, reading a book [my kind of woman :) ] and smoking a cigarette :). she had a buzz-haircut and was wearing a wet-suit. she looked serene and concentrated. it's so rare for ms. o'connor to find this levitation... peace, --frog-- From jitr-owner Mon Aug 19 21:15:21 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id VAA09583 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 21:15:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from infoweb.magi.com (infoweb.magi.com [204.191.213.20]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id VAA09578 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 21:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ts31-16.ott.iSTAR.ca (ts31-16.ott.iSTAR.ca [204.191.147.196]) by infoweb.magi.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA11248 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 00:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608200415.AAA11248@infoweb.magi.com> X-Sender: mlalonde@magi.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 00:08:50 -0400 To: jitr@postmodern.com From: mlalonde@magi.com (Michel R. Lalonde) Subject: re:oxygen busted Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hi Cyrille, >It's always nice to read your own story, I have to thank Mike. I've found it >rather moving. You're bullshitting me, right? ;-) >But I don't think it has much to do with the problem of bootlegs. >I think bootlegs can't be compared to a robbery. Nobody can steal a song. A lot of people, not to mention governments, disagree with you Cyrille. There is such a thing as copyright, like it or not. >You can put it on a cd without consent, but you can't steal it. It depends what you mean by "steal" - it's not really limited to theft of physical possessions. >Besides, I believe that, as soon as a song is released, as soon as the >public has access to it, the artist doesn't own it anymore and people >can do almost everything they want with the song, including bootlegs or >poor covers with a 4 tracks recorder :-> >A new song released is a song given to the public. So, according to you, why is it that every time a song is played on the radio, or a disc or record is sold, the artist - by law - gets some royalty? Do you mean to say that artists should not be entitled to royalties? If that's what you mean, then read no further because it would be useless - you and I (not to mention countless other frogs) would never be able to find a common lilypad to sit on. But if you think that artists are entitled to royalties, then it must be based of some concept of the artists' property in the songs. So ... theft is possible. And why is it that you think bootlegs should be regulated? Once regulated, they would presumably no longer be bootlegs, would they not? Anyway, before I (we?) go any further in this endless internet topic of discussion, what type of regulations are you guys talking about? > >Illicit profit, I agree.But what is illicit here, is licit there. I even >believe that in some countries, bootlegs are allowed or at least tolerated. Point taken. I'm still thinking of an answer to that one. But I know you're not holding your breath (don't I wish! :-)) >Anyway, I don't find the problem of illicit profit through bootlegs so serious, >because I believe artists are privileged people. I like artists and musicians >but I don't pity them, you see? That's why it doesn't leave any "sour taste >in my mouth" ;-> Like Crisis, I'd like bootlegs to be regulated. Again, the question of the social or economic status of an aggrieved party should be totally irrelevant to the issue. Same with the "seriousness" meter of a problem. Mike. p.s. feel free to respond (or not) by private e-mail if you feel that the list has heard enough about this subject (again, I've been away, so I don't know how long the debate has been going on in this particular list) From jitr-owner Tue Aug 20 09:29:28 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id JAA12901 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:29:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from smartwall.acuson.com (smartwall.acuson.com [157.226.120.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id JAA12896 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:29:23 -0700 (PDT) From: dspeirs@acuson.com Received: by smartwall.acuson.com; id JAA21565; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:22:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from speedy.acuson.com(157.226.1.8) by smartwall.acuson.com via smap (V3.1.1) id xma021492; Tue, 20 Aug 96 09:21:56 -0400 Received: from ccgate.acuson.com by speedy.acuson.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25640; Tue, 20 Aug 96 09:28:07 PDT Received: from ccMail by ccgate.acuson.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA840559053; Tue, 20 Aug 96 09:25:39 PST Date: Tue, 20 Aug 96 09:25:39 PST Message-Id: <9607208405.AA840559053@ccgate.acuson.com> To: jitr@postmodern.com Subject: Re[21123]: oxygen busted Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ I AM GETTING VERY TIRED OF THIS SUBJECT. Anyone else? _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: re:oxygen busted From: mlalonde@magi.com (Michel R. Lalonde) at ccUnix Date: 8/19/96 9:32 PM Hi Cyrille, >It's always nice to read your own story, I have to thank Mike. I've found it >rather moving. You're bullshitting me, right? ;-) >But I don't think it has much to do with the problem of bootlegs. >I think bootlegs can't be compared to a robbery. Nobody can steal a song. A lot of people, not to mention governments, disagree with you Cyrille. There is such a thing as copyright, like it or not. >You can put it on a cd without consent, but you can't steal it. It depends what you mean by "steal" - it's not really limited to theft of physical possessions. >Besides, I believe that, as soon as a song is released, as soon as the >public has access to it, the artist doesn't own it anymore and people >can do almost everything they want with the song, including bootlegs or >poor covers with a 4 tracks recorder :-> >A new song released is a song given to the public. So, according to you, why is it that every time a song is played on the radio, or a disc or record is sold, the artist - by law - gets some royalty? Do you mean to say that artists should not be entitled to royalties? If that's what you mean, then read no further because it would be useless - you and I (not to mention countless other frogs) would never be able to find a common lilypad to sit on. But if you think that artists are entitled to royalties, then it must be based of some concept of the artists' property in the songs. So ... theft is possible. And why is it that you think bootlegs should be regulated? Once regulated, they would presumably no longer be bootlegs, would they not? Anyway, before I (we?) go any further in this endless internet topic of discussion, what type of regulations are you guys talking about? > >Illicit profit, I agree.But what is illicit here, is licit there. I even >believe that in some countries, bootlegs are allowed or at least tolerated. Point taken. I'm still thinking of an answer to that one. But I know you're not holding your breath (don't I wish! :-)) >Anyway, I don't find the problem of illicit profit through bootlegs so serious, >because I believe artists are privileged people. I like artists and musicians >but I don't pity them, you see? That's why it doesn't leave any "sour taste >in my mouth" ;-> Like Crisis, I'd like bootlegs to be regulated. Again, the question of the social or economic status of an aggrieved party should be totally irrelevant to the issue. Same with the "seriousness" meter of a problem. Mike. p.s. feel free to respond (or not) by private e-mail if you feel that the list has heard enough about this subject (again, I've been away, so I don't know how long the debate has been going on in this particular list) From jitr-owner Tue Aug 20 15:25:30 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id PAA14373 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:25:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (root@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au [130.102.2.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id PAA14368 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:25:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dingo.cc.uq.oz.au (root@dingo.cc.uq.oz.au [130.102.2.14]) by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA25541 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 08:25:14 +1000 Received: from dingo.cc.uq.oz.au (tpmraymo@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP id IAA19704 (8.7.5/IDA-1.6 for ); Wed, 21 Aug 1996 08:25:12 +1000 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 08:25:05 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Myriam Raymond X-Sender: tpmraymo@dingo.cc.uq.oz.au To: Mailing List JITR Subject: Re: Re[21123]: oxygen busted In-Reply-To: <9607208405.AA840559053@ccgate.acuson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ What do you mean? We got this letter yesterday, re-sending stuff that someone else wrote without adding to it or discussing it is what gets tiring. On Tue, 20 Aug 1996 dspeirs@acuson.com wrote: > I AM GETTING VERY TIRED OF THIS SUBJECT. Anyone else? > _______________________________________________________________________________ > Subject: re:oxygen busted > From: mlalonde@magi.com (Michel R. Lalonde) at ccUnix > Date: 8/19/96 9:32 PM > So, let's talk about something else, then, if you are so tired..... Ummmm...... Does Sinead "work out"? Does she or has she ever played any type of sport? In the movie "Hush-A-Bye-Baby" she is seen taking part in a semi-gymnastics/dance routine with two other girls, and it's obvious that she loves to dance. But is she also a gymnast? an athlete? or something? I mean, she looks pretty fit to me and seems a natural sports-type. Myriam Raymond CRC for Tropical Pest Management Ph. +61 7 32421863 Level 5 Gehrmann Building M.Raymond@mailbox.uq.edu.au University of Queensland http://www.uq.edu.au/~tpmraymo From jitr-owner Tue Aug 20 16:13:00 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id QAA14590 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:13:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from infoweb.magi.com (infoweb.magi.com [204.191.213.20]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id QAA14585 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:12:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ts23-07.ott.iSTAR.ca (ts23-07.ott.iSTAR.ca [204.191.147.27]) by infoweb.magi.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA02349 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 19:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608202312.TAA02349@infoweb.magi.com> X-Sender: mlalonde@magi.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 19:06:24 -0400 To: jitr@postmodern.com From: mlalonde@magi.com (Michel R. Lalonde) Subject: Good manners (was oxygen busted) Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ First of all, apologies for having prolonged the debate ... needlessly. Consider my big mouth shut on the subject - That being said .... There is no need to SHOUT or be obnoxious. Or perhaps we still like to throw little tantrums, do we? My message hinted that the discussion should perhaps be done through private e-mail - so sorry for breathing - sheesh!!! Now if everyone who is "VERY TIRED OF THIS SUBJECT" would kindly post to the list or better yet reply by private e-mail to dspeirs@acuson.com - that would really make his or her day. After all, he or she wants to know. JUST KIDDING! (oops! shouting seems to be catching) >I AM GETTING VERY TIRED OF THIS SUBJECT. Anyone else? >_______________________________________________________________________________ p.s. too tired to delete the message from your reply, were you? :-) From jitr-owner Wed Aug 21 04:20:48 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id EAA18500 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 04:20:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from monet.telebyte.nl (root@monet1.telebyte.nl [193.67.242.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id EAA18495 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 04:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mars-l (pm2-17.nmg.telebyte.nl [194.235.214.239]) by monet.telebyte.nl (8.7.3/8.6.11) with SMTP id NAA11823; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 13:21:37 +0200 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960821111731.006c03d0@pop.telebyte.nl> X-Sender: bobbink@pop.telebyte.nl (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 13:17:31 +0200 To: Sinead Mailing List From: Mars-L Subject: New Bootleg Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello, Wether you are "pro or against" bootlegs, wether it is theft or not, I thought I had to inform you about the following, and when you're against boots...skip the message. There is a new limited bootleg-CD available, it contains ultra rare songs, never-recorded songs live and songs which are only available on vinyl. The quality varies from VG to EX. Here is the tracklist; 1) Take My Hand (DJ-edit) A song Sinead doesn't sing but re-arranged and re-wrote back in 1986 for/by a band called InTuaNua. Finding this item on it's original material is very very hard. 2) Monkey In Winter Sinead sings the lead vocals of this song, which is one of my favorites, it got released on a 12" by The Colourfield, with on the A-side their own version of this song and on the B-side the same version sung by Sinead. Again finding this 12" is very difficult, it's Ultra-Rare 3) Heroine (Mix II) A slightly different version of a song written and played by The Edge but sung by Sinead. This can only be found on vinyl, but because U2-fans also collect it, it's pretty rare and very expensive. 4) The emperor's new clothes (dub mix) A superb version of this song, IMHO it's even better then the album version. This version can only be found on a vinyl-promo-12" maxi-single. 5) Mandinka (extended version) What's there to say :-) 6) Josey Walsh A song with lead vocals by Sinead, can be found on the hard to find, The Ungodley Kingdom EP by Jah Wobble. This song is (together with Monkey In Winter) also one of my favorite. 7) Jump In The River (with Karen Finley) An entirely different version of this song, with a lot of shoutings and screamings about "comming and masturbating" by Karen Finley. 8) Fire On Babylon (M Beat Remix) An OFFICIAL house-remix made esspecially for DJ's,can only be found on the hard to find "Famine" 12" as a B-side 9) I am enough for myself Only for this song I already would have bought this cd ! Sinead sung this song during a MTV-airing (Ray Cokes UK), it's really a superb song which she (as far as I know) didn't sing anywhere else. The sound quality is almost studio-quality, you don't hear any audience and the sound is very clear. Sounds like an officially released cd song. 10) Black Is The Color Of My True Love's Hair A live song done in 1988, never recorded officially (traditional song) 11) Donald-O A live song done in 1988, never recorded officially (traditional song) 12) The Hand That Rocks The Cradle A live song done in 1988, never recorded officially (original by The Smiths) 13) Have I Told You Lately A song she preformed live with The Chieftains and Van Morrisson during a show of Dave Letterman. 14) War A song of Bob Marley which Sinead sung twice, ones during the infamous Pope-Incident and the second time (a few weeks later) during the 30th aniversary concert of Bob Dylan. This is the "Bob Dylan" one. (sung by Sinead). Here she really is pissed...... 15) Make Me A Channel Of Your Peace A song Sinead sung during her 1995 concerts and as far as I know she only sung it in Israel 16) Dream A Little Dream A song Sinead sung during her 1995 concerts and as far as I know she only sung it in Israel. For more info, mail me. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Who Prince ??? Ain't that that skinny MF with that highly voice ?? * * HTTP://WWW.TELEBYTE.NL/~BOBBINK/ * * For a complete overview of Prince/O(+> songs and a overcomplete * discography of Sinead O'Connor * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From jitr-owner Wed Aug 21 07:54:30 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) id HAA18890 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 07:54:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from ping.at (pong.ping.at [193.81.13.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with SMTP id HAA18885 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 07:54:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from site51.ping.at by ping.at with UUCP id AA00630 (5.67b8/ping for jitr@postmodern.com); Wed, 21 Aug 1996 16:54:17 +0200 Received: by site51.ping.at (CrossPoint v3.11); 21 Aug 1996 16:52:49 +0200 Date: 21 Aug 1996 16:35:00 +0200 From: szendrey@site51.ping.at (Roman Szendrey) To: jitr@postmodern.com Message-Id: <6FGvqL8De6B@site51.ping.at> References: <1.5.4.32.19960821111731.006c03d0@pop.telebyte.nl> Subject: Re: New Bootleg X-Mailer: CrossPoint v3.11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ hi, marcel wrote about a new bootleg with rare stuff. as if that wouldn't be enough i've heard that there will be a new sinead live-bootleg soon. no details yet but i'll keep you informed... ciao roman ---------------------------------------------------- roman szendrey (szendrey@site51.ping.at) fidonet: 2:310/25.50 compuserve: 100347,612 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/szendrey/ vienna / austria ---------------------------------------------------- ## CrossPoint v3.11 ## From jitr-owner Thu Aug 22 03:20:20 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.5/mcb-960422) id DAA24454 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 03:20:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from monet.telebyte.nl (root@monet1.telebyte.nl [193.67.242.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id DAA24449 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 03:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mars-l (pm1-08.nmg.telebyte.nl [194.235.214.200]) by monet.telebyte.nl (8.7.3/8.6.11) with SMTP id MAA06205 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:22:57 +0200 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960822101833.006d4624@pop.telebyte.nl> X-Sender: bobbink@pop.telebyte.nl (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:18:33 +0200 To: Sinead Mailing List From: Mars-L Subject: Found Visions again. Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello, Even though Oxygen got busted, the Visions boot seems still to be available again. I just visited a record-fair (last weekend) and I saw a salesman who still had about 30 copies. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Who Prince ??? Ain't that that skinny MF with that highly voice ?? * * http://www.telebyte.nl/~bobbink * * For a complete overview of Prince/O(+> songs and a overcomplete * * discography of Sinead O'Connor * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From jitr-owner Fri Aug 23 08:46:10 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.5/mcb-960422) id IAA00660 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 08:46:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from monet.telebyte.nl (root@monet1.telebyte.nl [193.67.242.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id IAA00655 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 08:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mars-l (pm1-19.nmg.telebyte.nl [194.235.214.211]) by monet.telebyte.nl (8.7.3/8.6.11) with SMTP id RAA17865 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 17:48:47 +0200 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960823154551.006cf7e0@pop.telebyte.nl> X-Sender: bobbink@pop.telebyte.nl (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 17:45:51 +0200 To: Sinead Mailing List From: Mars-L Subject: Homepage/bootleg page updated Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello, Since yesterday I worked continiously (okay I slept at night) to update my homepage. A few of the new additions/updates are; - My "unborn-child" page is up-to-date again. - Sinead's discography is updated a lot, incl. a totally changed bootlegpage I wanna thank Eduard for his regular updates. If you wanna go directly to this bootleg page it's; http://www.telebyte.nl/~bobbink/sinead_discography_bootlegs.htm - There are a few new lyrics - Eduard found a book containing the official lyrics of TL&TC so he could correct these songs. - And the discography in ZIPPED version (WORD) looks a lot better now. besides all these changes there are some small changes. If you have any adition or correction please let me know !!!!! * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Who Prince ??? Ain't that that skinny MF with that highly voice ?? * * http://www.telebyte.nl/~bobbink * * For a complete overview of Prince/O(+> songs and a overcomplete * * discography of Sinead O'Connor * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From jitr-owner Fri Aug 23 12:24:53 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.5/mcb-960422) id MAA01218 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:24:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from cs.huji.ac.il (cs.huji.ac.il [132.65.16.10]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id MAA01213 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pita.cs.huji.ac.il by cs.huji.ac.il with SMTP id AA27608 (5.67b/HUJI 4.153 for ); Fri, 23 Aug 1996 22:24:13 +0300 From: Yoav Gonen Received: (from yogon@localhost) by pita.cs.huji.ac.il (8.7/1.1c) id WAA05639 for jitr@server.postmodern.com; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 22:24:11 +0300 (IDT) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 22:24:11 +0300 (IDT) Message-Id: <199608231924.WAA05639@pita.cs.huji.ac.il> To: jitr@server.postmodern.com Subject: Sineadian stuff around you Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hi jitr members! I have a question to you all: What Sinead stuff do you have around you at home and work. For instance, I have at work, a beautiful picture of Sinead, that I took from Roman's picture archive. and printed it on the best color inc-jet printers that we have. It is one of the pictures from the 94' Q interview. This picture is hang on the wall, together with the lyrics of troy, which I beautifuly arranged as a word document. I also scanned the cover of TLaTC and put it as a wallpaper on the screen. I work on a RS6000 with a 21" screen, so you can guess how great it to compile files while looking at the fucking-great-shining-head of my idol. At home, I have all different posters of Sinead. Some of them I bought but most of them are also ones that I printed, using the best 300 and 600 dpi laser and inc-jet printers that we have at the university of work. I once wanted to put a sticker on the back of my car with the words: "NC2U Sinead". but haven't done it yet. Shalom, (By the way, two days from now - Bjork is coming to Israel Yoav From jitr-owner Sat Aug 24 01:02:11 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.5/mcb-960422) id BAA04359 for jitr-outgoing; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 01:02:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from mail.xgw.fi (root@xgw1.pal.xgw.fi [193.64.41.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id BAA04341 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 01:02:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xgw15.xgw.fi (xgw15.pal.xgw.fi [193.64.41.15]) by mail.xgw.fi (8.6.11/8.6.4) with ESMTP id KAA13720 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 10:12:22 +0300 Received: (bloke@localhost) by xgw15.xgw.fi (8.6.12/8.6.4) id KAA28953; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 10:57:43 +0300 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 10:57:42 +0300 (EET DST) From: Jani Juvonen To: jitr@server.postmodern.com Subject: Re: Sineadian stuff around you In-Reply-To: <199608231924.WAA05639@pita.cs.huji.ac.il> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Yoav Gonen wrote: > What Sinead stuff do you have around you at home and work. Well, I have a color-photocopy (zoomed 200%) of 'am I not your girl' CD cover on my wall... plus I have a big promo poster of 'I Do Not Want...' but it's not on the wall, its just rolled in a tube with some other posters, because it just wouldn't fit nicely to anywhere... I have some other big posters on the walls reserving all the suitable spaces. -Jani Juvonen ------------------------------------------------------------------- E-mail: Home page: http://www.xgw.fi/users/bloke/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From jitr-owner Sun Aug 25 07:38:33 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.5/mcb-960422) id HAA08946 for jitr-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 07:38:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from monet.telebyte.nl (root@monet.telebyte.nl [194.235.214.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id HAA08941 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 07:38:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mars-l (pm1-04.nmg.telebyte.nl [194.235.214.196]) by monet.telebyte.nl (8.7.3/8.6.11) with SMTP id QAA12512 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 16:38:30 +0200 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960825143816.006c8c9c@pop.telebyte.nl> X-Sender: bobbink@pop.telebyte.nl (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 16:38:16 +0200 To: Sinead Mailing List From: Mars-L Subject: cover design Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello, I am not that good in graphical design so I hope some of you will help me, my question is; Can you make me a design for the cover of the Sinead discography ?? Preferly some different ones and they must be ready to print as a document of Word 7.0, so infact the must be a .doc file. Also it must be as small as possible, which can be done by using JPG or GIF-files insteed of BMP etc.. The picture(s) must be preferly in B/W (greyscale), because using color makes the document really big and most people still don't have a color printer so it would be a waste of space. The text on it should be something like; Title; The Unofficial Sinead O'Connor Discography Sub-title; A complete overview of all her recordings And; Compiled by Marcel Bobbink Or something like that. Ofcourse I am giving it some tries myself also..... * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Who Prince ??? Ain't that that skinny MF with that highly voice ?? * * http://www.telebyte.nl/~bobbink * * For a complete overview of Prince/O(+> songs and a overcomplete * * discography of Sinead O'Connor * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From jitr-owner Mon Aug 26 14:41:53 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.5/mcb-960422) id OAA14079 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:41:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from monet.telebyte.nl (root@monet.telebyte.nl [194.235.214.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id OAA14074 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mars-l (pm1-09.nmg.telebyte.nl [194.235.214.201]) by monet.telebyte.nl (8.7.3/8.6.11) with SMTP id XAA32249 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 23:41:49 +0200 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960826214139.00b2a598@pop.telebyte.nl> X-Sender: bobbink@pop.telebyte.nl (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 23:41:39 +0200 To: Sinead Mailing List From: Mars-L Subject: JITR cd-single Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello, Is there anyone who has one of the next items and is willing to trade it against anything else (for instance any bootleg maybe even two....) Manu diBango cd-single "Biko" incl. Biko (remix) Sinead O'Connor cd-single "Don't cry for me..."(French) incl.radio version Sinead O'Connor cd-single "Jump in the river" Sinead O'Connor bootleg "Live at the Paradise" In Tua Nua 12"-vinyl "Take my Hand" or "Take my Heart" Marxman vinyl-album "33 revolutions per minute" Various Artists cd-album "OST Married to the Mob" * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Who Prince ??? Ain't that that skinny MF with that highly voice ?? * * http://www.telebyte.nl/~bobbink * * For a complete overview of Prince/O(+> songs and a overcomplete * * discography of Sinead O'Connor * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From jitr-owner Mon Aug 26 23:00:55 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.5/mcb-960422) id XAA15912 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 23:00:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from cs.huji.ac.il (cs.huji.ac.il [132.65.16.10]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id WAA15891 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 22:59:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pita.cs.huji.ac.il by cs.huji.ac.il with SMTP id AA00565 (5.67b/HUJI 4.153 for ); Tue, 27 Aug 1996 08:58:43 +0300 From: Yoav Gonen Received: (from yogon@localhost) by pita.cs.huji.ac.il (8.7/1.1c) id IAA00756 for jitr@server.postmodern.com; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 08:58:39 +0300 (IDT) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 08:58:39 +0300 (IDT) Message-Id: <199608270558.IAA00756@pita.cs.huji.ac.il> To: jitr@server.postmodern.com Subject: Some Unrelated info about Bjork Cocert last night Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Bjork was really amazing in Caesaria last night. It was one of the best rock concerts I've even seen in Israel. Much better than Sinead O'Connor, for instance. Bjork moved and danced on the stage floor without stopping. Where does she get all these strengths? She performed greatly the best songs out of "Debut" and "Post". The (so many) fireworks, the great audience (many youngsters with their last show before returning to school), the electric atmosphere in the Roman Theater of Caesaria, and the very good seat I got, really made my night. Even the warning band - "The Red Snappers" (sp?) were great. The entire show took more than 2.5 hours. By the way, on of the Israel papparachi photographers caught Bjork sunbathing naked on the beach!! great picture. I was published yesterday in the newspapers . Good for him she didn't saw him doing that... Bye, Yoav From jitr-owner Wed Aug 28 08:49:51 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.5/mcb-960422) id IAA24239 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:49:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from monet.telebyte.nl (root@monet.telebyte.nl [194.235.214.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id IAA24234 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mars-l (pm2-12.nmg.telebyte.nl [194.235.214.234]) by monet.telebyte.nl (8.7.3/8.6.11) with SMTP id RAA08648 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:49:43 +0200 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960828154922.006e3f0c@pop.telebyte.nl> X-Sender: bobbink@pop.telebyte.nl (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:49:22 +0200 To: Sinead Mailing List From: Mars-L Subject: Discography Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hello, It seems that some people can't get the discography through WWW-browsing simply because they don't have access to WWW. If that's a problem, mail me and I will send it to you by E-mail. Can be done in ZIP/UUENCODE or just attached. It's a Word document, but I think it can also be read by WP. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Who Prince ??? Ain't that that skinny MF with that highly voice ?? * * http://www.telebyte.nl/~bobbink * * For a complete overview of Prince/O(+> songs and a overcomplete * * discography of Sinead O'Connor * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From jitr-owner Sat Aug 31 07:31:55 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.5/mcb-960422) id HAA06994 for jitr-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 07:31:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-jitr using -f Received: from relay4.jaring.my (root@relay4.jaring.my [192.228.128.14]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id HAA06989 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 07:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fcng (j14.iph3.jaring.my [161.142.225.92]) by relay4.jaring.my (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA17230 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 22:31:42 +0800 Message-ID: <32284F62.2F70@pc.jaring.my> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 22:42:42 +0800 From: fcng X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jitr@server.postmodern.com Subject: New Page for Sinead O'Connor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~mcb/jitr/ Hi, I'm pretty new to HTML writing. Anyway, I've created a new Sinead O'Connor page. However, it's still under construction but I've put in some pictures not found on any other Sinead O'Connor homepage. Also, I've included a list of all her performances on TV and video. Check it out at: www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/3368/index.html Give me your views. The new email account is not in use yet but you can email me at fcng@pc.jaring.my Bye.