From mcb@presto.ig.com Sun Apr 2 05:20 PDT 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA10435; Sun, 2 Apr 95 05:20:18 PDT Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id FAA20256 for jitr-dist; Sun, 2 Apr 1995 05:16:33 -0700 Received: from gw.wmich.edu (gw.wmich.edu [141.218.1.100]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA20253 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 1995 05:16:32 -0700 Received: from piglet.cc.wmich.edu (piglet.cc.wmich.edu [141.218.20.105]) by gw.wmich.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id IAA02523 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 1995 08:16:30 -0400 Received: from wmich.edu by wmich.edu (PMDF V4.3-10 #5064) id <01HOUTLQ0MO09QUTSZ@wmich.edu>; Sun, 02 Apr 1995 08:16:29 -0400 (EDT) From: X93PODSIAD@wmich.edu Date: Sun, 02 Apr 1995 08:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: favorite... To: jitr:;@presto.ig.com Message-Id: <01HOUUMDKK5W9QUTSZ@wmich.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Length: 764 Status: OR along the favorite record string... i guess my opinion is that all of sinead's records are brilliant; and what makes one or another more appealing to one person or another is each person's sensibilities. for instance, my favorite is the lion and the cobra because my life is really fucked up and hearing someone else just as hopelessly disallusioned as i am scream about it just relates. for me, i do not want... is so much about a healing process and coming out on th eother side. this hasn't quite happened to me yet so i feel as if it's beyond me sometimes. none of her albums really are the kind that you put on and have a few friends over for a good time. whatever that means. 'i do not want what i have got' kc 'it's just the way i smile' you said' m. From mcb@presto.ig.com Sun Apr 2 12:00 PDT 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA11089; Sun, 2 Apr 95 12:00:51 PDT Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id LAA21452 for jitr-dist; Sun, 2 Apr 1995 11:55:08 -0700 Received: from VAX003.STOCKTON.EDU (vax003.stockton.edu [134.210.1.6]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA21449 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 1995 11:55:05 -0700 Received: from odin.stockton.edu by VAX003.STOCKTON.EDU via Pony Express SMTP with TCP (v8.1.1-dmr001); Sun, 2 Apr 95 14:54:40 EST Received: from odin.stockton.edu by odin.stockton.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA14677; Sun, 2 Apr 95 14:54:41 -0400 From: mryan@cosi.stockton.edu (Michelle Ryan) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 95 14:54:41 EDT To: jitr@presto.ig.com Message-Id: Subject: Mandinka Content-Type: text Content-Length: 138 Status: OR I know that Mandinka is the name of the tribe that Quoonta-Kintay belonged to in the movie Roots. oonagh From mcb@presto.ig.com Mon Apr 3 18:49 PDT 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA16003; Mon, 3 Apr 95 18:42:02 PDT Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id SAA10132 for jitr-dist; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 18:37:59 -0700 Received: from remus.rutgers.edu (root@remus.rutgers.edu [128.6.13.3]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA10129 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 18:37:56 -0700 Received: from [192.67.236.41] (ficara.jvnc.net [192.67.236.41]) by remus.rutgers.edu (8.6.11+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq/8.6.11) with SMTP id VAA11946; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 21:37:38 -0400 Message-Id: <199504040137.VAA11946@remus.rutgers.edu> X-Sender: ficara@remus.rutgers.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 21:49:19 -0500 To: SRIGBY@acs.unt.edu From: ficara@acm.org (Ken Ficara) Subject: Re: favorites Cc: jitr@presto.ig.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 2836 Status: OR Hmmmmmmmmmm. I like a lot of what you say and what this letter is going to be is me thinking through why I don't agree with your conclusion. I generally like music that takes "work" although on the other hand, music MUST grab me at a level below thought in order for me to like it. I would, for instance, trade the combined collected works of Philip Glass and John Cage for a single solid James Brown groove. I guess that's part of it -- I have a tremendous respect for (and susceptibility to :) a well-crafted melody or a good hook, both of which WANT has in abundance. You're right that speaking obliquely doesn't mean you're being less honest, although it might (emphasis on MIGHT) mean that the artist is not given to exposing him or herself, either because s/he's a private person or because s/he's not ready to deal with the problems she's writing about herself yet. I think Bob Dylan is an example of the former -- he has written intensely personal songs that were usually too oblique for anyone to figure out what real-life situation he meant (or even if there was a literal real-life inspiration for the song). He wrote about his marriage for ten years and only mentioned his wife's name in one song. None of it is "dishonest" and much of it is frighteningly honest, because you're watching him confront parts of himself he obviously doesn't like. I think Sinead, in her early years, is an example of the latter, however. I don't feel, lisening to L&C, that she's ready to confront some of the stuff herself. OTOH that doesn't, or shouldn't, affect the album, and ultimately I don't think it's the abstraction of L&C that turns me off (BLONDE ON BLONDE is one of my favorite albums in the entire world, and I don't think it's possible to get more abstract than songs like "Obviously Five Believers" without inventing your own language). I simply think that WANT exhibits more mature songwriting and grabs me at a level that L&C doesn't, emtionally and musically. Ultimately, the deciding factor is that the songs on L&C continue to blur together for me, even after eight years of listening to it frequently. Everything on WANT stands out. >but she wrote it to appeal to a larger audience. This is the one thing in your post I really don't agree with. Do you think she was trying to have a hit? >Maybe< with NC2U, but I think the rest of the album is too raw for radio in many ways. And if she were on a publicity roll, she probably wouldn't have done what she did that year on SNL. ============================================================================== Ken Ficara ficara@acm.org | The Oscars are like a box of chocolates. | | "Crunchy FROG???" http://remus.rutgers.edu/~ficara/ | "Certainly, sir. It's a best-seller." From mcb@presto.ig.com Mon Apr 3 20:05 PDT 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA16125; Mon, 3 Apr 95 20:04:56 PDT Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA10658 for jitr-dist; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 20:01:36 -0700 Received: from relay1.UU.NET (relay1.UU.NET [192.48.96.5]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA10655 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 20:01:34 -0700 Received: from postmodern.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQyjyi06444; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 23:01:15 -0400 Received: by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA16111; Mon, 3 Apr 95 20:00:33 PDT Message-Id: <9504040300.AA16111@postmodern.com> From: mcb@postmodern.com (Michael C. Berch) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 20:00:32 -0700 In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: "Mike Harris" Subject: Re: Unsubscribe Cc: jitr@presto.ig.com Content-Type: text Content-Length: 618 Status: OR > I apologize to all concerned, but I have sent three UNSUBSCRIBE > requests to jitr-request and the listserv has not responded. > > Could the administrator of this list please remove me from it? We're in the process of moving the list from one site to another and converting to Majordomo. The request mail is in a queue and I hope to process it after testing is done -- shouldn't be long. To everyone else: stay tuned for an announcement on this shortly. -- Michael C. Berch JITR moderator mcb@postmodern.com P.S. Patience is a virtue; people who manage mailing lists often have other jobs, believe it or not. From mcb@presto.ig.com Tue Apr 4 05:03 PDT 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA00467; Tue, 4 Apr 95 05:03:26 PDT Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id EAA13945 for jitr-dist; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 04:58:14 -0700 Received: from techst02.technion.ac.il (c0779952@techst02.technion.ac.il [132.68.7.4]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA13942 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 04:58:06 -0700 Received: (from c0779952@localhost) by techst02.technion.ac.il (8.6.12/8.6.6) id OAA02231; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 14:57:28 +0300 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 14:57:24 +0300 (EET DST) From: Mezhibovsky Zhenechka To: Jump in the River Subject: Sinead Tour.... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 387 Status: OR ******** Hi all ! today i heard on radio that Sinead signed a contract ,that this year she is coming to Israel ... but they didn't say the dates.... anybody know about it? when she will come .... any info... thanx............... ________________________________________________________________________________ Demented7 ... Who said don't look back ? Don't beleive 'em... From mcb@presto.ig.com Tue Apr 4 09:23 PDT 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA00833; Tue, 4 Apr 95 09:23:53 PDT Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id JAA16352 for jitr-dist; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 09:18:36 -0700 Received: from wolfram.ucs.indiana.edu (wolfram.ucs.indiana.edu [129.79.181.202]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA16349 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 09:18:34 -0700 Received: from ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu (ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu [129.79.181.201]) by wolfram.ucs.indiana.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA13619 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 11:11:54 -0500 Received: by ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu (1.38.110.45/16.2) id AA297281914; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 11:11:54 -0500 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 11:11:53 -0500 (EST) From: robert anthony conder X-Sender: rconder@ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu To: jitr@presto.ig.com Subject: sinead vs. U2 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 643 Status: OR I remember a long time ago reading an article where Sinead seemed very bitter and angry towards U2 and their power over the music scene in ireland...something to the effect of sinead saying that she doesn't like the way a band has to "kiss bono's ring" to get out of ireland. i believe that this was in an old rolling stone (circa IDNWWHIHG) with her on the cover. i was wondering if anyone remembers her attitude toward them then or if anyone knows what caused her to chage her mind about them. (i am assuming that she has changed her mind due to the recent collaborations with members of U2 (in the name of the father...etc)). From mcb@presto.ig.com Tue Apr 4 14:49 PDT 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA01263; Tue, 4 Apr 95 14:49:07 PDT Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id OAA25866 for jitr-dist; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 14:44:14 -0700 Received: from relay1.Hawaii.Edu (relay1.Hawaii.Edu [128.171.41.53]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA25863 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 14:44:11 -0700 Received: from uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu ([128.171.44.54]) by relay1.Hawaii.Edu with SMTP id <11490(5)>; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 11:43:57 -1000 Received: by uhunix4.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (4.1/Sun690) id AA21407; Tue, 4 Apr 95 11:41:18 HST Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 11:41:15 -1000 From: THE RAT To: jitr@presto.ig.com In-Real-Life: Greg Bueno Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1457 Status: OR Title/Organization: President, The Richard Ching Fan Club Subject: Re: favorites In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 31 Mar 1995 13:33:36 -1000 Message-Id: content-length: 1228 >>Come to think of it, the songs on L&C were written during Sinead's teen years. >>Her abstractions are probably more attributable to a young person finding a >>comfortable artistic voice than anything else. > > I think you're right. Which brings up an interesting point -- I think her > music has matured greatly since the first album. Do those who like the > first album better feel like it hasn't? Her lyrics have certainly matured and have become less oblique. Back in the "Cobra" days, she said she would pretend to be other people when writing her songs. (Musician, 1988.) Now, she's taking her own perspective. Musically, her albums are too individual to foster much comparrison. Thus, ranking quality in terms of progression would only give way to individual tastes. In short, I know what I like, but I won't say if it's better than anything else. ========================================================================= "I'll bet it's only a matter of time before they prove that most of those saints had their wires crossed." - from Mark Salzman's "The Soloist" Greg Bueno bueno@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu ========================================================================= From mcb@presto.ig.com Tue Apr 4 17:48 PDT 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA02019; Tue, 4 Apr 95 17:48:12 PDT Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id RAA27703 for jitr-dist; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 17:44:54 -0700 Received: from remus.rutgers.edu (root@remus.rutgers.edu [128.6.13.3]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA27700 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 17:44:52 -0700 Received: from [192.67.236.41] (ficara.jvnc.net [192.67.236.41]) by remus.rutgers.edu (8.6.12+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA16184; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 20:44:33 -0400 Message-Id: <199504050044.UAA16184@remus.rutgers.edu> X-Sender: ficara@remus.rutgers.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 20:56:12 -0500 To: THE RAT , jitr@presto.ig.com From: ficara@acm.org (Ken Ficara) Subject: Re: favorites Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 885 Status: OR >Her lyrics have certainly matured and have become less oblique. Back in the >"Cobra" days, she said she would pretend to be other people when writing >her songs. (Musician, 1988.) Now, she's taking her own perspective. Ok, this is what I was getting at in my response yesterday. >"I'll bet it's only a matter of time before they prove that most of those >saints had their wires crossed." - from Mark Salzman's "The Soloist" Well, of course. I mean, shit, if you wandered around in the desert fasting for forty days you'd have visions too! :) ken ============================================================================== Ken Ficara ficara@acm.org | The Oscars are like a box of chocolates. | | "Crunchy FROG???" http://remus.rutgers.edu/~ficara/ | "Certainly, sir. It's a best-seller." From jitr-owner@postmodern.com Wed Apr 5 01:36 PDT 1995 Return-Path: Received: from server.postmodern.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/950404-mcb1) id AA03599; Wed, 5 Apr 95 01:36:55 PDT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id XAA04207 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 23:34:55 -0700 Received: from postmodern.com (makitso.postmodern.com [198.102.244.66]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with SMTP id XAA04166 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 23:25:54 -0700 Received: by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/950404-mcb1) id AA03316; Tue, 4 Apr 95 23:25:16 PDT Message-Id: <9504050625.AA03316@postmodern.com> From: mcb@postmodern.com (Michael C. Berch) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 23:25:13 -0700 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: jitr@server.postmodern.com Subject: ADMIN: We've moved! (Finally.) Sender: owner-sample@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 Content-Type: text Content-Length: 4136 Status: OR The JITR list has a new home, server.postmodern.com. It has also become a Majordomo list -- Majordomo is a spiffy list server that takes care of subscribe/unsubscribe requests, info about the list, and archive requests. I've included the file that is returned when you inquire about the list at the "jitr-request" address; it explains how to use Majordomo. The new list posting address is: jitr@server.postmodern.com Routine list requests should be sent to majordomo@server.postmodern.com according to the instructions below. There *is* now a digest version, but I haven't fully debugged it yet, so you probably don't want to subscribe to the digest yet; I'll do some more testing and announce it. The FTP archive will move over to postmodern.com, as soon as I can coordinate with the admin of the old site. The current site on net.bio.net should be around a few days at least, but I have a copy and just need to get FTP set up here and integrate it with the Majordomo archive stuff. I'll announce the new archive procedures when they're available. We should be able to get the archive on the Web soon as well. Please let me know if there are any problems by sending mail to jitr-approval@server.postmodern.com. I hope this will improve responsiveness of the list (both postings and requests); I have been very busy in the last few months working on a new magazine to be launched in June (shameless plug: check out our home page at http://www.postmodern.com/ ) and have consequently had less time Enjoy-- -- Michael C. Berch Sinead list stuff: jitr-approval@server.postmodern.com In real life: mcb@postmodern.com --------------------------- Anyway, this is the recording that you get from "jitr-request@server.postmodern.com": Thank you for inquiring about the jitr mailing list. jitr (jump-in-the-river) is a mailing list devoted to the music and work of the Irish musician and social activist Sinead O'Connor. It was founded in 1990 and has about 240 members in 23 countries. This is an automatic reply that explains how to subscribe and unsubscribe from the list. All routine administrative requests (including subscriptions and unsubscriptions) concerning this mailing list are handled by an automated server called Majordomo. Please read this message carefully to find the information relevant to you. 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From jitr-owner Wed Apr 5 15:18:34 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id PAA08159 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 5 Apr 1995 15:18:34 -0700 Received: from relay1.Hawaii.Edu (relay1.Hawaii.Edu [128.171.41.53]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with SMTP id PAA08154 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 1995 15:18:29 -0700 Received: from uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu ([128.171.44.54]) by relay1.Hawaii.Edu with SMTP id <11793(1)>; Wed, 5 Apr 1995 12:18:22 -1000 Received: by uhunix4.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (4.1/Sun690) id AA27315; Wed, 5 Apr 95 12:15:21 HST Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 12:15:19 -1000 From: THE RAT To: jitr@server.postmodern.com In-Real-Life: Greg Bueno Title/Organization: President, The Richard Ching Fan Club Subject: Covers (late reply) In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 31 Mar 1995 13:33:26 -1000 Message-Id: Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 Status: OR One of these days I'll get into the habit of making timely replies... > I often enjoy Sinead's covers -- my criticism of GIRL has nothing to do > with her ability to do covers. As an example, her cover of "I Believe in > You" is one of the few Dylan covers I've ever LIKED. I usually hate to hear > people attempt his songs because failure is nearly inevitable. Covers are such strange animals. The success of any cover depends on how much of one artist's identity can be injected into another artist's work. Don't know how you'd react to Bill Frisell's cover of "Just a Woman," but he does a great job with Aaron Copland's "Billy the Kid" and Madonna's "Live to Tell." Sorry for the off-topic... > We simply have to disagree with the suitability of her voice for jazz > vocals. I love her singing but she was out of her element on GIRL. The big band didn't fit Sinead, but what if the songs were re-arranged some way to suit her voice? The "Scarlet Letters" arrangement should have been the direction for her to explore. In short, AINYG was a crossover attempt in the wrong direction. ========================================================================= "If Linda Ronstadt is a torch-singer, Judy Henske is a flame thrower." -- from "Blue Belle" by Andrew Vachss Greg Bueno bueno@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu ========================================================================= From jitr-owner Thu Apr 6 08:38:04 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id IAA11773 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 08:38:04 -0700 Received: from ping.at (uucp@pong.ping.at [193.81.14.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with SMTP id IAA11768 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 08:37:50 -0700 Received: from site51.ping.at by ping.at with UUCP id AA10451 (5.67b8/ping for jitr@server.postmodern.com); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 17:37:20 +0200 Received: by site51.ping.at (CrossPoint v3.02); 06 Apr 1995 17:36:03 +0200 Date: 06 Apr 1995 17:35:00 +0200 From: szendrey@site51.ping.at (Roman Szendrey) To: jitr@server.postmodern.com Message-Id: <5jN8FySTe6B@site51.ping.at> Subject: new sinead song X-Mailer: XP v3.02 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 Status: O today a bought the new BOMB THE BASS-cd called _CLEAR_. i was surprised to hear sinead doing the vocals at the last song "empire". she sings together with benjamin zephaniah and her voice is amazing as usual! ciao roman ---------------------------------------- roman szendrey (szendrey@site51.ping.at) vienna / austria ---------------------------------------- ## CrossPoint v3.02 ## From jitr-owner Sat Apr 15 00:28:41 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id AAA25735 for jitr-outgoing; Sat, 15 Apr 1995 00:28:41 -0700 Received: from indigo.cs.bgu.ac.il (indigo.cs.bgu.ac.il [132.72.42.23]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with ESMTP id AAA25730 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 1995 00:28:35 -0700 Received: from black.cs.bgu.ac.il (orit@black [132.72.40.7]) by indigo.cs.bgu.ac.il (8.6.9/8.6.10) with ESMTP id KAA07825 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 1995 10:27:22 -0200 From: Orit Shacham Received: (orit@localhost) by black.cs.bgu.ac.il (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA27976 for jitr@server.postmodern.com; Sat, 15 Apr 1995 10:24:23 +0200 Date: Sat, 15 Apr 1995 10:24:23 +0200 Message-Id: <199504150824.KAA27976@black.cs.bgu.ac.il> To: jitr@server.postmodern.com Subject: Sinead's coming to Israel! Reply-To: orit@CS.bgu.ac.il Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 Oh, happiness! Status: O Sinead is going to give two concerts in Israel, one in Caesarea on June 13th, one at Jerusalem's "Sultan's Pool" on June 15. Oh, joy! Now how will I get through these two months of waiting? Orit From jitr-owner Sat Apr 15 10:35:46 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id KAA27946 for jitr-outgoing; Sat, 15 Apr 1995 10:35:46 -0700 Received: from wolfram.ucs.indiana.edu (wolfram.ucs.indiana.edu [129.79.181.202]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with ESMTP id KAA27941 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 1995 10:35:42 -0700 Received: from ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu (ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu [129.79.181.201]) by wolfram.ucs.indiana.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id MAA29975; Sat, 15 Apr 1995 12:32:18 -0500 Received: by ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu (1.38.110.45/16.2) id AA297947137; Sat, 15 Apr 1995 12:32:17 -0500 Date: Sat, 15 Apr 1995 12:32:17 -0500 (EST) From: robert anthony conder X-Sender: rconder@ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu To: Orit Shacham Cc: jitr@server.postmodern.com Subject: Re: Sinead's coming to Israel!/peter gabriel? In-Reply-To: <199504150824.KAA27976@black.cs.bgu.ac.il> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 Status: O On Sat, 15 Apr 1995, Orit Shacham wrote: > Sinead is going to give two concerts in Israel, one in Caesarea on > June 13th, one at Jerusalem's "Sultan's Pool" on June 15. > congrats..i am indeed envious. > > Now how will I get through these two months of waiting? > perhaps you should think of those like me who have been waiting for years for her to come to indiana to preform her own material. Besides seeing her preform with Peter Gabriel at Womad, she hasn't come around at all, to my knowledge. What ever happened to Sinead and Peter anyhow? From jitr-owner Sun Apr 16 08:35:39 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id IAA00633 for jitr-outgoing; Sun, 16 Apr 1995 08:35:39 -0700 Received: from presto.ig.com (root@presto.ig.com [134.172.2.16]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with ESMTP id IAA00628 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 1995 08:35:30 -0700 From: P.M.KATZ@CAM3SE.boat.bt.com Received: from zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk (zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk [132.146.5.1]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA05558 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 1995 08:35:35 -0700 X400-Received: by mta UK.CO.BT in /PRMD=UK.CO.BT/ADMD=GOLD 400/C=GB/; Relayed; Sun, 16 Apr 1995 16:34:56 +0100 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BT/ADMD=BT/C=GB/; Relayed; Sun, 16 Apr 1995 16:24:34 +0100 Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 16:24:34 +0100 X400-Originator: P.M.KATZ@CAM3SE.boat.bt.com X400-Recipients: non-disclosure:; X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=BT/ADMD=BT/C=GB/;hph70....... 0VCTII000010N] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: D278D70C Alternate-Recipient: Allowed Message-ID: <"D278D70C*/I=PM/S=KATZ/OU=CAM3SE/O=BT PLC/PRMD=BT/ADMD=BT/C=GB/"@MHS> To: jitr@presto.ig.com (Receipt Notification Requested) (Non Receipt Notification Requested) Subject: New Sinead single (with Shane MacGowan) Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 Sinead has released a new single with Shane (Pogues) MacGowan, Status: O called _Haunted_. Apparently it was on Top Of The Pops last week (which I missed) with Shane singing totally flat (so what's new?). The Promo copy, for the discography, is on ZTT and the catalogue number is SAM1546. There are no other tracks on it. :: Philip Katz :: 'phone : +44 1473 647114 :: :: BT N&S IT Security Unit, B55/G29, :: fax : +44 1473 644304 :: :: BT Laboratories, Martlesham Heath :: e-mail : P.M.Katz@cam3se.boat.bt.com :: :: Ipswich, Suffolk, England IP5 7RE :: key-words : Ramones,Porsches,Cats :: :: :: :: ALL OPINIONS ARE MY OWN AND SHOULD NOT BE CONSTRUED AS ENDORSED BY MY EMPLOYER From jitr-owner Tue Apr 18 20:20:10 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id UAA08944 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 20:20:10 -0700 Received: from smtp.utexas.edu (smtp.utexas.edu [128.83.126.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with ESMTP id UAA08939 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 20:20:06 -0700 Received: from [128.83.111.60] (slip-17-12.ots.utexas.edu [128.83.111.60]) by smtp.utexas.edu (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA18043 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 22:17:12 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 22:16:59 -0500 To: jitr@server.postmodern.com From: eclark@mail.utexas.edu (Erick) Subject: Sinead on MTV Unplugged Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 Status: O I was watching a special about MTV's Unplugged. They showed a clip from an episode that Sinead appeared on. Anybody there have this and if so can I have a copy of it? Thanx, -Erick ============================================== We are Programed Happy Little Children Matter over Mind We cannot Resist so I won't Fight It Love is a Machine Love is a Machine without a driver From jitr-owner Wed Apr 19 14:39:07 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id OAA12479 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 19 Apr 1995 14:39:07 -0700 Received: from napalm.ecst.csuchico.edu (cameron@napalm.ecst.csuchico.edu [132.241.1.34]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with ESMTP id OAA12474 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 1995 14:39:02 -0700 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by napalm.ecst.csuchico.edu (8.6.10/8.6.10) id OAA11853; Wed, 19 Apr 1995 14:38:45 -0700 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 14:38:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Cameron Smith To: Erick cc: jitr@server.postmodern.com Subject: Re: Sinead on MTV Unplugged In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 Status: O Ditto for me-- I have never heard of this before last night on MTV and if anyone has either a video or audio bootleg I'd really like to know where to get a copy if possible (read: pretty pretty please) -- thanks in advance, Cameron On Tue, 18 Apr 1995, Erick wrote: > I was watching a special about MTV's Unplugged. They showed a clip from an > episode that Sinead appeared on. Anybody there have this and if so can I > have a copy of it? > Thanx, > -Erick > > ============================================== > We are Programed Happy Little Children > Matter over Mind > We cannot Resist so I won't Fight It > Love is a Machine > Love is a Machine without a driver > > > From jitr-owner Fri Apr 21 12:24:41 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id MAA18927 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 21 Apr 1995 12:24:41 -0700 Received: from dgicii.mty.itesm.mx (dgicii.mty.itesm.mx [131.178.6.197]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with SMTP id MAA18922 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 1995 12:24:36 -0700 Received: by dgicii.mty.itesm.mx (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA98728; Fri, 21 Apr 1995 13:25:03 GMT Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 13:25:03 +0000 (CUT) From: "Lic. Jose de Jesus Rocha Pedrajo" Subject: Enya at "Lion & the cobra" To: jitr@server.postmodern.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 The introduction that Enya (Also great voice) makes the Status: O introduction to Sinead is given in the cover of the record, but (There is always a "but") I don't recognize the language. Does anybody know *what* Enya says in that part ? From jitr-owner Fri Apr 21 13:14:04 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id NAA19151 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 21 Apr 1995 13:14:04 -0700 Received: from whistler.sfu.ca (root@whistler.sfu.ca [142.58.103.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with ESMTP id NAA19146 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 1995 13:13:59 -0700 From: Kevin_Davison@sfu.ca Received: from [142.58.196.32] (mpx8522b.educ.sfu.ca [142.58.196.32]) by whistler.sfu.ca with SMTP (8.6.11/SFU-2.6H) id NAA18940 (from Kevin_Davison@sfu.ca); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 13:13:58 -0700 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 13:13:58 -0700 Message-Id: <199504212013.NAA18940@whistler.sfu.ca> To: "Lic. Jose de Jesus Rocha Pedrajo" , jitr@server.postmodern.com Subject: Re: Enya at "Lion & the cobra" Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 Status: O >introduction to Sinead is given in the cover of the record, but (There is >always a "but") I don't recognize the language. Does anybody know *what* >Enya says in that part ? I think that it is the Lord's Prayer in Galic. It has it written on the inside of the record jacket. Kevin From jitr-owner Fri Apr 21 17:19:05 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id RAA19487 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 21 Apr 1995 17:19:05 -0700 Received: from relay1.Hawaii.Edu (relay1.Hawaii.Edu [128.171.41.53]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with SMTP id RAA19482 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 1995 17:18:54 -0700 Received: from uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu ([128.171.44.52]) by relay1.Hawaii.Edu with SMTP id <13282(1)>; Fri, 21 Apr 1995 12:42:40 -1000 Received: by uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu id <148519>; Fri, 21 Apr 1995 12:33:38 -1000 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 12:33:33 -1000 From: THE RAT To: jitr@server.postmodern.com In-real-life: Greg Bueno Title/Organization: President, The Richard Ching Fan Club Subject: Re: Enya at "Lion & the cobra" In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 21 Apr 1995 03:25:03 -1000 Message-ID: Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 Status: O > introduction to Sinead is given in the cover of the record, but (There is > always a "but") I don't recognize the language. Does anybody know *what* > Enya says in that part ? I hope I can beat the rush to answer this one. The language is Irish Gaelic, and the text (from what I hear) is a trans- lation of the Biblical text quoted on the back side of the LP cover. (My first copy of "Lion" is on vinyl!) ========================================================================= "Most Orientals are fatalistic - Mama was fatal." -- Andrew Vachss Greg Bueno bueno@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu ========================================================================= From jitr-owner Mon Apr 24 08:28:09 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id IAA03299 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:28:09 -0700 Received: from buclaa.bu.edu (BUCLAA.BU.EDU [128.197.70.80]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with SMTP id IAA03293 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:28:00 -0700 Received: by buclaa.bu.edu (5.61+++/SMI-4.0.3) id AA00751; Mon, 24 Apr 95 11:26:18 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 95 11:26:18 -0400 From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Message-Id: <9504241526.AA00751@buclaa.bu.edu> To: jitr@server.postmodern.com Subject: Lollapalooza! :( Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 Status: O The official line upe for Lollapalooza 95 came out and Sinead is going to be part of the tour. I'd much rather have had her doing her own tour as I'm not about to shell out big bucks to go to this farce. Rich Boston Univ. From jitr-owner Mon Apr 24 13:01:24 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id NAA04806 for jitr-outgoing; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 13:01:24 -0700 Received: from napalm.ecst.csuchico.edu (cameron@napalm.ecst.csuchico.edu [132.241.1.34]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with ESMTP id NAA04801 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 13:01:08 -0700 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by napalm.ecst.csuchico.edu (8.6.10/8.6.10) id NAA27982; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 13:00:13 -0700 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 13:00:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Cameron Smith To: "Richard F. Delano" cc: jitr@server.postmodern.com Subject: Re: Lollapalooza lineup In-Reply-To: <9504241816.AA01913@buclaa.bu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 Status: O Really Sinead is for sure??? Also I had heard from some industry people that Hole was still tenative, is this true? Waht about Snoop dogg On Mon, 24 Apr 1995, Richard F. Delano wrote: > Since I've received a bunch of inquiries, I'll post this to the list. > The entire 1995 lineup is: > > The Mighty Mighty Bosstones > Jesus Lizard > Beck > Sinead O'Connor > Pavement > Cypress Hill > Hole > Sonic Youth > > That's it... > > Rich > Boston Univ. > > From jitr-owner Tue Apr 25 09:23:08 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id JAA10000 for jitr-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 09:23:08 -0700 Received: from ping.at (uucp@pong.ping.at [193.81.14.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with SMTP id JAA09995 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 09:23:01 -0700 Received: from site51.ping.at by ping.at with UUCP id AA13090 (5.67b8/ping for jitr@server.postmodern.com); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 18:22:52 +0200 Received: by site51.ping.at (CrossPoint v3.02); 25 Apr 1995 18:22:33 +0200 Date: 25 Apr 1995 18:22:00 +0200 From: szendrey@site51.ping.at (Roman Szendrey) To: jitr@server.postmodern.com Message-Id: <5kWL1_5Te6B@site51.ping.at> Subject: everything comes from you X-Mailer: XP v3.02 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 Status: O i found a sinead song on the cd-rom of peter gabriel "xplora 1". sinead does the vocals on this song called "everything comes from you". the musicans are mostly from peter's own label "realworld". does anyone know if this song is available on cd? the version on "xplora 1" is just a short intro of it... tnx roman ---------------------------------------- roman szendrey (szendrey@site51.ping.at) vienna / austria ---------------------------------------- ## CrossPoint v3.02 ## From jitr-owner Wed Apr 26 14:19:48 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id OAA16332 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 14:19:48 -0700 Received: from freenet.vancouver.bc.ca (jvpai@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca [142.103.106.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with ESMTP id OAA16327 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 14:19:42 -0700 Received: (from jvpai@localhost) by freenet.vancouver.bc.ca (8.6.11/8.6.11) id OAA21001; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 14:19:20 -0700 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 14:19:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Pai" Subject: lollapalooza To: jitr postings Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 Status: O I just started subscribing to jitr yesterday and I'm not really sure which address queries are supposed to be directed to; advance apologies if this annoys someone. I just read in the newspaper that Sinead is on the lollapalooza bill this year. I'm worried though because she wasn't listed as a headliner which would probably mean that she's only playing certain cities. Does anyone know details? I saw Sinead when she played here in Vancouver, Canada in the summer of 1990 and my awe was confirmed and surpassed. Thanks! jenny. From jitr-owner Wed Apr 26 22:48:33 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id WAA17379 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 22:48:33 -0700 Received: from uiah.fi (uiah.fi [128.214.123.8]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with ESMTP id WAA17374 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 22:48:23 -0700 Received: by kyberias.uiah.fi id <52059-4>; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 08:46:17 +0300 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 08:46:02 +0300 (EET DST) From: Jani Juvonen To: jitr@server.postmodern.com Subject: Haunted single and more Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 Status: O Someone reported a new Sinead single (Haunted) about a week ago, but did not know if it was available as retail version. Well, it is. From ZTT records, named _Shane MacGowan And Sinead O'Connor Haunted_ (UK cat.no. ZANG65CD). It has four tracks, only the title track with Sinead :-( Also, if anyone out there is interested, I found a compilation CD called _Celtic Moods_ which has two tracks by Sinead (among many other tracks by various artists of variable quality). The most interesting track is _Heroine_ performed by Sinead and The Edge. I think this is a fairly rare track? And the other track by Sinead is _Three Babies_. This CD is available from Circa Records/Virgin (UK cat.no.VTCD45) Jani Juvonen, Finland From jitr-owner Wed Apr 26 23:44:23 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id XAA17508 for jitr-outgoing; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 23:44:23 -0700 Received: from smtp.utexas.edu (smtp.utexas.edu [128.83.126.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with ESMTP id XAA17502 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 23:44:20 -0700 Received: from [128.83.111.51] (slip-17-3.ots.utexas.edu [128.83.111.51]) by smtp.utexas.edu (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA21182 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 01:42:37 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 01:42:25 -0500 To: jitr@server.postmodern.com From: eclark@mail.utexas.edu (Erick) Subject: FTP site Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 Status: O Does anyone know the address for the FTP site that corrisponds to this mailing list? Thanx, -Erick ============================================== A view to remember The center is missing They question how the future lies . . .in someone's eyes From jitr-owner Thu Apr 27 10:14:36 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id KAA19909 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:14:36 -0700 Received: from wolfram.ucs.indiana.edu (wolfram.ucs.indiana.edu [129.79.181.202]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with ESMTP id KAA19904 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:14:27 -0700 Received: from ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu (ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu [129.79.181.201]) by wolfram.ucs.indiana.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA11868; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:13:16 -0500 Received: by ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu (1.38.110.45/16.2) id AA131639187; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:13:07 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:13:07 -0500 (EST) From: robert anthony conder X-Sender: rconder@ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu To: Jani Juvonen Cc: jitr@server.postmodern.com Subject: Re: Haunted single and more In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 Status: O > The most interesting track is > _Heroine_ performed by Sinead and The Edge. once again i must ask what has happened to the once-hostile attitude sinead used to have toward U2? she seems to be quite chummy with them recentlty. From jitr-owner Thu Apr 27 10:18:06 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id KAA19930 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:18:06 -0700 Received: from VAX003.STOCKTON.EDU (vax003.stockton.edu [134.210.1.6]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with SMTP id KAA19925 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:17:47 -0700 Received: from odin.stockton.edu by VAX003.STOCKTON.EDU via Pony Express SMTP with TCP (v8.1.1-dmr001); Thu, 27 Apr 95 13:11:11 EST Received: from odin.stockton.edu by odin.stockton.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA18452; Thu, 27 Apr 95 13:10:52 -0400 From: mryan@cosi.stockton.edu (Michelle Ryan) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 95 13:10:50 EDT To: jitr@server.postmodern.com Message-Id: Subject: Heroine Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 Status: O Heroine is from the soundtrack to the movie The Captive. I think the soundtrack is hard to find, but I think it may have just been re-released. I am still trying to cope with Sinead playing on the Lolapolooza tour. I don't know if I'd really want to go and see her in that kind of environment and with the kind of people that now are attracked to that tour. oonagh From jitr-owner Thu Apr 27 10:41:02 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id KAA20015 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:41:02 -0700 Received: from postmodern.com (makitso.postmodern.com [198.102.244.66]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with SMTP id KAA20010 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:41:00 -0700 Received: by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/950404-mcb1) id AA05096; Thu, 27 Apr 95 10:38:13 PDT Message-Id: <9504271738.AA05096@postmodern.com> From: mcb@postmodern.com (Michael C. Berch) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:38:12 -0700 In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: jitr@server.postmodern.com Subject: Re: FTP site Cc: eclark@mail.utexas.edu (Erick) content-length: 774 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 Status: OR > Does anyone know the address for the FTP site that corrisponds to this > mailing list? Unfortunately, the FTP archives are currently not available, but will be in the next few weeks. I needed to remove them from the old site (net.bio.net) when the list moved, but the new site (ftp.postmodern.com) is not ready yet. (I have the archives, but anon FTP isn't yet configured). Plus there's the added complication that we are changing the IP addresses of all the postmodern.com hosts sometime in the next couple weeks, so y'all might want to hang in there for a while. I'll announce the new archive location and procedure when it's available. -- Michael C. Berch jitr list manager mcb@postmodern.com Visit the INFOBAHN Magazine home page -> http://www.postmodern.com/ From jitr-owner Thu Apr 27 11:05:37 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id LAA20108 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:05:37 -0700 Received: from acad.albion.edu (acad.albion.edu [147.124.1.5]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with ESMTP id LAA20103 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:05:28 -0700 From: JBLAIR@ACAD.ALBION.EDU Received: from ACAD.ALBION.EDU by ACAD.ALBION.EDU (PMDF V4.3-7 #6416) id <01HPU3J2SOUO970S1H@ACAD.ALBION.EDU>; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 13:52:26 EST Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 13:52:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: The Lion and the cobra To: jitr@server.postmodern.com Message-id: <01HPU3J2X8TU970S1H@ACAD.ALBION.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"jitr@server.postmodern.com" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 Status: O does anyone have the lyrics to this cd? i'm also looking for a translation of the lyrics for the song "never get old." thanks, julie From jitr-owner Thu Apr 27 11:50:36 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id LAA20219 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:50:36 -0700 Received: from freenet.vancouver.bc.ca (jvpai@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca [142.103.106.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with ESMTP id LAA20214 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:50:27 -0700 Received: (from jvpai@localhost) by freenet.vancouver.bc.ca (8.6.11/8.6.11) id LAA22834; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:49:19 -0700 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:48:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Pai" Subject: the complete sinead To: jitr@server.postmodern.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 Status: O I'm trying to make a list of everything sinead has available. Has anyone out there already tried this daunting task? Any contributions with as much pertinent info would be appreciated. Thanks. jenny. From jitr-owner Thu Apr 27 13:55:22 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id NAA20446 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 13:55:22 -0700 Received: from spider.the.infi.net ([204.183.230.71]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with ESMTP id NAA20441 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 13:55:19 -0700 From: darren@spider.the.infi.net Received: from darren (198.247.162.5) by spider.the.infi.net with SMTP (MailShare 1.0fc5); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 16:59:29 -0500 X-Sender: darren@spider.the.infi.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: jitr@server.postmodern.com Subject: Lollapolooza/Heroine Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 16:59:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1413120527-55184@spider.the.infi.net> Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 Status: O I think it's great Sinead is involved with this summer's Lollapolooza tour - I think she needs to get out and be in the mainstream again, which she really hasn't been doing lately...I think she's largely perceived as sort of a fringe artist by the public at large these days, which is sort of silly, as she's sold zillions of albums - I think this is a cool step for her to take, and honestly, I'd go see her in just about any circumstance (except maybe with some bogus VH1-type crowd at some lame tribute)...As far as the Heroine soundtrack is concerned, it's a nice song, but you have to be more of an Edge fan to appreciate the soundtrack as a whole, as it's him doing the music... From jitr-owner Thu Apr 27 15:14:29 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id PAA20662 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 15:14:29 -0700 Received: from wolfram.ucs.indiana.edu (wolfram.ucs.indiana.edu [129.79.181.202]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with ESMTP id PAA20652 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 15:14:09 -0700 Received: from ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu (ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu [129.79.181.201]) by wolfram.ucs.indiana.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id QAA16034; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 16:10:18 -0500 Received: by ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu (1.38.110.45/16.2) id AA094437017; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 16:10:18 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 16:10:17 -0500 (EST) From: robert anthony conder X-Sender: rconder@ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu To: Michelle Ryan Cc: jitr@server.postmodern.com Subject: Re: Heroine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 Status: O > I am still trying to cope with Sinead playing on the Lolapolooza tour. > I don't know if I'd really want to go and see her in that kind of > environment and with the kind of people that now are attracked to that tour. why let your prejudice and snobbishness get in your way of enjoying what will be a rare chance to see Sinead in the US? it's true that i am not looking forward to having to deal with a crowd there because they probably won't be as interested in her perfomance as i will be, in fact i am expecting that they will be quite rude and not pay much attention at all. however,i am a long way away from even thinking about complaining about getting a chance to see her live, especially if it is only going to be an hour away from my home. From jitr-owner Thu Apr 27 15:49:25 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id PAA20831 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 15:49:25 -0700 Received: from inet1.tek.com (inet1.tek.com [134.62.48.21]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with SMTP id PAA20826 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 15:49:21 -0700 From: montys@mdhost.cse.TEK.COM Received: from tektronix.tek.com by inet1.tek.com id ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 15:48:34 -0700 Received: from mdhost.cse.tek.com (tekadm1.cse.tek.com) by tektronix.TEK.COM (4.1/8.2) id AA08840; Thu, 27 Apr 95 15:48:07 PDT Received: from me24.cse.tek.com by mdhost.cse.tek.com (4.1/8.0) id AA08553; Thu, 27 Apr 95 15:48:46 PDT Message-Id: <9504272248.AA08553@mdhost.cse.tek.com> To: jitr@server.postmodern.COM Subject: Re: Lollapolooza/Heroine Date: Thu, 27 Apr 95 15:48:46 PDT Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.COM Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 Status: O > I think she needs to get out and be in the mainstream again, which she > really hasn't been doing lately...I think she's largely perceived as sort of > a fringe artist by the public at large these days Well, Lollapolooza sure won't help her be seen as mainstream! That's a pretty far out tour, always has been. She'll be perceived like most of the LPZA bands: grunge, teen, way-out, extreme fringe. Monty From jitr-owner Thu Apr 27 18:35:25 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id SAA21520 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 18:35:25 -0700 Received: from remus.rutgers.edu (root@remus.rutgers.edu [128.6.13.3]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with ESMTP id SAA21515 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 18:35:21 -0700 Received: from [143.131.29.36] ([143.131.29.36]) by remus.rutgers.edu (8.6.12+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA07177; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 21:34:38 -0400 Message-Id: <199504280134.VAA07177@remus.rutgers.edu> X-Sender: ficara@remus.rutgers.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 21:46:44 -0500 To: robert anthony conder , Michelle Ryan From: ficara@acm.org (Ken Ficara) Subject: Re: Heroine Cc: jitr@server.postmodern.com Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 Status: O >why let your prejudice and snobbishness get in your way of enjoying what ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Where did that come from? "Prejudice" is prejudging people without any reason to do so. I think there's ample evidence to show that a Lollapalooza crowd is probably going to be loud, rude, ugly and stupid. And if it's "snobbish" to want to avoid drunken fraternity morons throwing up on your shoes and screaming idiocies so you can't even enjoy the music, then I'm a snob too. >won't be as interested in her perfomance as i will be, in fact i am expecting >that they will be quite rude and not pay much attention at all. however,i am So Michelle is prejudiced and you are... ? I hate to say this, but not wanting to spend your time with assholes isn't prejudice, it's simple intelligence. ken ============================================================================== Ken Ficara http://remus.rutgers.edu/~ficara/ ficara@acm.org "Politically, nowadays, all you have to do is stand still and you'll be ahead of your time." --Laurie Anderson From jitr-owner Thu Apr 27 21:08:16 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id VAA21668 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 21:08:16 -0700 Received: from msuvx1.memphis.edu (msuvx1.memphis.edu [141.225.1.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with ESMTP id VAA21663 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 21:08:13 -0700 From: MLMCGXXXXXX@MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU Received: from MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU by MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V4.3-8 #7188) id <01HPUMRNJHHI9B6CKB@MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU>; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 23:11:50 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 23:11:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: "heroine," u2, etc. To: rconder@indiana.edu Cc: jitr@server.postmodern.com Message-id: <01HPUMRNJHHK9B6CKB@MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"rconder@indiana.edu" X-VMS-Cc: IN%"jitr@server.postmodern.com" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 Status: O Hello Robert C and any other readers: Robert Conder expressed bewilderment and annoyance with Sinead O'Connor's collaborations with members of U2. I assume that he is aware that she not only worked with The Edge on "Heroine," which is not a new track, but also with Bono on "You Made Me the Thief of Your Heart," (which could once have been Courtney Love's life soundtrack -- just kidding) from the film In The Name of The Father. The "Heroine" tune apparently was a few years ago on a 12 inch single because when I learned about it back then it was already out of print, so a record store friend who owned a copy taped it for me back then so I could air it on community radio, which I did several times. Now I can buy a copy, hooray; and I only know about it because I joined this silly list a week or so ago! I have no problem with her working with her peers; it's not our business to make her live in a pigeonholed existence based on past thoughts that only represented what she was thinking that day. I hate it when people do that to me and I'm certainly not going to do that to her -- that is force her to live the rest of her life a slave to each sentence that comes out of her mouth. Everybody changes and grows each day, and apparently she knows that and so do members of U2, who are apparently rather mature people who care more about being supportive to great talent than to bearing grudges based on a sentence uttered by a young person who had no real personal beef with them....lisa m. From jitr-owner Thu Apr 27 21:13:52 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id VAA21677 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 21:13:52 -0700 Received: from msuvx1.memphis.edu (msuvx1.memphis.edu [141.225.1.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with ESMTP id VAA21672 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 21:13:43 -0700 From: MLMCGXXXXXX@MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU Received: from MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU by MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V4.3-8 #7188) id <01HPUN8RLRPA9B6CKB@MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU>; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 23:17:22 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 23:17:22 -0500 (CDT) Subject: heroine/the captive To: jitr@server.postmodern.com Message-id: <01HPUN8RLROW9B6CKB@MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"jitr@server.postmodern.com" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 Status: O Michelle Ryan informs us that "Heroine" is from the movie "The Captive," so I am apparently mistaken in thinking it may have been on a 12 inch single at one time. Maybe that soundtrack is what a record store friend used as a source for me to have an airplay copy...all I know is I've had a copy for several years taped from something that was already out of print by the time I learned of it (or I'd have bought it then). Now I can buy it at a store, and I'm glad because my stooopid tape had sort of a glitch on it anyway...lisa mcg-- From jitr-owner Thu Apr 27 21:33:53 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id VAA21709 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 21:33:53 -0700 Received: from msuvx1.memphis.edu (msuvx1.memphis.edu [141.225.1.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with ESMTP id VAA21704 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 21:33:47 -0700 From: MLMCGXXXXXX@MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU Received: from MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU by MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V4.3-8 #7188) id <01HPUNUVSHBK9B6CKB@MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU>; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 23:37:23 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 23:37:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Lollapolooza/Heroine To: darren@spider.the.infi.net Cc: jitr@server.postmodern.com Message-id: <01HPUNUVSHBM9B6CKB@MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"darren@spider.the.infi.net" X-VMS-Cc: IN%"jitr@server.postmodern.com" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 >From: IN%"darren@spider.the.infi.net" 27-APR-1995 17:53:58.45 >Subj: Lollapolooza/Heroine Status: O > >I think it's great Sinead is involved with this summer's Lollapolooza tour - >I think she needs to get out and be in the mainstream again, which she >really hasn't been doing lately...I think she's largely perceived as sort of >a fringe artist by the public at large these days, which is sort of silly, >as she's sold zillions of albums - I think this is a cool step for her to >take, and honestly, I'd go see her in just about any circumstance (except >maybe with some bogus VH1-type crowd at some lame tribute)...As far as the >Heroine soundtrack is concerned, it's a nice song, but you have to be more >of an Edge fan to appreciate the soundtrack as a whole, as it's him doing >the music... > It seems like everybody wants to make some comment on their opinion of Sinead's choices in who to work with and where to perform. I find this rather childish. But I do appreciate all the information on records and the news about where and when she's performing. In my opinion, news that Sinead O'Connor is going to be on Lollapalooza is the first bit of information that has ever caused me interest enough to attend the shebang. And I DO find all the comments in various postings aboutwhat "kind" of people are attending, as well as all the comments on Sinead's choices in every move she makes to be very judgmental. But then nobody on this list is any more judgmental than the rest of the human race, 99.9% of which seems to be caught up in that sort of thing... --Lisa From jitr-owner Thu Apr 27 23:49:06 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id XAA21857 for jitr-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 23:49:06 -0700 Received: from whistler.sfu.ca (root@whistler.sfu.ca [142.58.103.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with ESMTP id XAA21852 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 23:49:02 -0700 Received: from [142.58.123.11] (rs5-annex3.sfu.ca [142.58.123.11]) by whistler.sfu.ca with SMTP (8.6.11/SFU-2.6H) id WAA00388 for (from Kevin_Davison@sfu.ca); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 22:18:34 -0700 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 22:18:34 -0700 X-Sender: kdavison@whistler.sfu.ca Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: jitr@server.postmodern.com From: Kevin_Davison@sfu.ca (Kevin Davison) Subject: Heroine/Captive Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 Status: O Hello everyone, In response to Lisa (MLMCGXXXXXX@MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU) who wrote aboute Heroine and Captive: "... I am apparently mistaken in thinking it may have been on a 12 inch single at one time. Maybe that soundtrack is what a record store friend used as a source for me to have an airplay copy...all I know is I've had a copy for several years taped from something that was already out of print by the time I learned of it ..." A twelve inch single exists - I have it. On side A there is the "7'' Version" and Side B is called "Heroine (Mix II)" Both sound identical. There is a credit that reads "Side A remixed by Steve Lillywhite" eventhough it is side B that contains the "mix". The single is dated 1986 and on the back are great pictures of Sinead and The Edge. On the front there is a (side view) picture of a clip from the movie, of the lead actress looking out a window. The single is nice to have as a novelty item but I paid far, far too much for one great song - twice. You can also purchace the whole soundtrack on CD, but again, you have to really appreciate The Edge to get your money's worth. Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________ kdavison@sfu.ca You like Bouillabaisse, I do not, So what, so what, so what? Let talk and let talk, quip and let quip, Dress and let dress, strip and let strip. Live and let live and remember this line: "Your bus'ness is your bus'ness and my bus'ness is mine." - Live And Let Live Cole Porter From jitr-owner Fri Apr 28 00:05:01 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id AAA21894 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 00:05:01 -0700 Received: from mulberry.wustl.edu (mulberry.wustl.edu [128.252.121.28]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with SMTP id AAA21889 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 00:04:58 -0700 Received: by mulberry.wustl.edu (NX5.67d/NeXT-3.0-SLT/GHC) id AA04019; Fri, 28 Apr 95 02:04:50 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 02:04:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Irvin Fei-Chiang Lin X-Sender: iflin@mulberry To: robert anthony conder Cc: Jani Juvonen , jitr@server.postmodern.com Subject: Re: Haunted single and more In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 Status: O On Thu, 27 Apr 1995, robert anthony conder wrote: > > The most interesting track is > > _Heroine_ performed by Sinead and The Edge. > > once again i must ask what has happened to the once-hostile attitude > sinead used to have toward U2? she seems to be quite chummy with them > recentlty. i think she patched up things with them. she has gotten rather chummy with them lately hasn't she? by the way the heroine song was released way back before the lion and the cobra was released. it is off of a soundtrack by the edge for the movie "the captive" great soundtrack. sinead only sings on the theme song though (heroine) the rest is instrumental. it has been rereleased so it should be pretty easy to find or order.... irvin From jitr-owner Fri Apr 28 00:25:39 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id AAA21924 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 00:25:39 -0700 Received: from mulberry.wustl.edu (mulberry.wustl.edu [128.252.121.28]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with SMTP id AAA21919 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 00:25:36 -0700 Received: by mulberry.wustl.edu (NX5.67d/NeXT-3.0-SLT/GHC) id AA04174; Fri, 28 Apr 95 02:25:29 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 02:25:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Irvin Fei-Chiang Lin X-Sender: iflin@mulberry To: MLMCGXXXXXX@MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU Cc: jitr@server.postmodern.com Subject: Re: heroine/the captive In-Reply-To: <01HPUN8RLROW9B6CKB@MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 Status: O On Thu, 27 Apr 1995 MLMCGXXXXXX@MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU wrote: > Michelle Ryan informs us that "Heroine" is from the > movie "The Captive," so I am apparently mistaken in thinking > it may have been on a 12 inch single at one time. no you weren't mistaken. it is on the soundtrack, but there was a 12" vinyl single that was released way back when. I do believe it even predates sinead's work with world party, so it is sinead's first musical work to be pressed. i may be wrong about that though. it is listed as "THE EDGE with sinead o'connor" on the front. i don't remember what wsa on the bside was though, perhaps an instrumental song from the soundtrack. i know it wasn't as sinead song. and the CD of the captive was rereleased last summer. irvin From jitr-owner Fri Apr 28 00:49:31 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id AAA22108 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 00:49:31 -0700 Received: from swan.doc.ic.ac.uk (swan.doc.ic.ac.uk [155.198.191.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with SMTP id AAA22103 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 00:49:26 -0700 Received: from doc.ic.ac.uk by swan.doc.ic.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <03672-0@swan.doc.ic.ac.uk>; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 08:49:14 +0100 From: Matthias Radestock Date: Fri, 28 Apr 95 08:49:11 BST Message-Id: <21150.9504280749@gummo.doc.ic.ac.uk> Received: from top.doc.ic.ac.uk by gummo.doc.ic.ac.uk; Fri, 28 Apr 95 08:49:11 BST Received: by top.doc.ic.ac.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00334; Fri, 28 Apr 95 08:47:57 BST To: jvpai@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca Cc: jitr@server.postmodern.com In-Reply-To: (jvpai@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca) Subject: Re: the complete sinead Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 Status: O >> >> I'm trying to make a list of everything sinead has available. Has anyone >> out there already tried this daunting task? Any contributions with as >> much pertinent info would be appreciated. Thanks. jenny. >> There *is* such a list in the archive (which is currently unavailable). It's presumably slightly out of date though. Matthias PS: Could anyone explain to this ignorant European what that 'Lollapolooza' talk is all about? From jitr-owner Fri Apr 28 01:35:13 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id BAA22240 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 01:35:13 -0700 Received: from uiah.fi (uiah.fi [128.214.123.8]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with ESMTP id BAA22229 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 01:34:30 -0700 Received: by kyberias.uiah.fi id <52120-3>; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 11:32:44 +0300 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 11:32:37 +0300 (EET DST) From: Jani Juvonen To: MLMCGXXXXXX@MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU cc: jitr@server.postmodern.com Subject: Re: Lollapolooza/Heroine In-Reply-To: <01HPUNUVSHBM9B6CKB@MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 Status: O > It seems like everybody wants to make some comment on their > opinion of Sinead's choices in who to work with and where to perform. > I find this rather childish. But I do appreciate all the information > on records and the news about where and when she's performing. In > my opinion, news that Sinead O'Connor is going to be on Lollapalooza > is the first bit of information that has ever caused me interest > enough to attend the shebang. And I DO find all the comments in various > postings aboutwhat "kind" of people are attending, as well as all the > comments on Sinead's choices in every move she makes to be very judgmental. > But then nobody on this list is any more judgmental than the > rest of the human race, 99.9% of which seems to be caught up in > that sort of thing... > --Lisa > I think Sinead may work with who ever she wants to work with. And so may anyone else. And what comes to the Lollapalooza, I can only wait for a miracle that one day Sinead would come to Finland... --Jani Juvonen From jitr-owner Fri Apr 28 03:45:01 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id DAA23905 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 03:45:01 -0700 Received: from msuvx1.memphis.edu (msuvx1.memphis.edu [141.225.1.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with ESMTP id DAA23897 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 03:44:57 -0700 From: MLMCGXXXXXX@MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU Received: from MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU by MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V4.3-8 #7188) id <01HPV09PCHG69B5AHT@MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU>; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 05:48:35 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 05:48:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: lollypopaloozer To: jitr@server.postmodern.com Message-id: <01HPV09PCHG89B5AHT@MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"jitr@server.postmodern.com" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 Status: O It occurs to me that in explaining to "Matthias" in Europe what Lollapalooza is about that I have ignored something important in my pontifications about judgmentalness re: the people attending Lollalalalala. The fact is that at shows attended by the teenage to early 20s set (re: so-called "alternative" music acts) the attendees do often behave in a rough, rude, self-obsessed manner that makes it difficult for someone who grew up like I did -- sitting down and listening to the performers -- to enjoy a concert without feeling they are sitting on the floor of a bumper car ring about to get bashed and battered. I don't know if Lollyla la is like this but I do know from a tour bus driver that Woodstock revisited was like that. Women were slung around like rag dolls into the mud there and some didn't get back up.... The passing around of people like volleyballs by audience members who lift people up above everyone's heads at some "alternative" shows these days just shows how the current idea is to ignore the performer and point at oneself in the audience ("I've just got to participate too -- I can't just sit down and listen or dance along -- I have to be the show and draw attention to myself!!"). And the audience likes to throw things at the performers -- at woodstock, it was mud balls, elsewhere it's cans and the like... The Hole show (Hole is also supposedly on Lolly's performance list) here in Memphis was a good example of a bunch of self obsessed brats watching a self obsessed brat who spent the wHole show whining about how she could care less about being up there despite the sell-out crowd (so why did you do the show, lady? go play where you prefer to and leave my town alone) -- the audience members also threw ice and cups at the stage as tho that's how to show appreciation...and C. Love spent the night engaging in an immature psychodrama wrestling match with the audience. So, perhaps Lollapalooza is like those kinds of shows, where you feel like your blood pressure's going to rise from trying to avoid getting hit by a falling human beach ball -- I don't know because I haven't been to one. Given the things I've witnessed at other shows and heard about, I can see why someone would have to think twice about going, so I guess it's not so "judgmental" to have a negative view -- so long as that view is not just based on uninformed prejudices against young people in general....I can understand wishing for a more serene, spiritual concert setting...instead of a combat zone.. If someone has been to a Lollapalooza show maybe you could tell me what you saw....lisa From jitr-owner Fri Apr 28 03:53:51 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id DAA23926 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 03:53:51 -0700 Received: from msuvx1.memphis.edu (msuvx1.memphis.edu [141.225.1.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with ESMTP id DAA23921 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 03:53:48 -0700 From: MLMCGXXXXXX@MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU Received: from MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU by MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU (PMDF V4.3-8 #7188) id <01HPV183NF9E9B5AHT@MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU>; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 05:57:28 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 05:57:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: lollerpaloozing To: jitr@server.postmodern.com Message-id: <01HPV183NF9G9B5AHT@MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"jitr@server.postmodern.com" X-VMS-Cc: MLMCGXXXXXX MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 Status: O On second, third or fourth thought -- Lollapalooza is the kind of thing that probably will come near where I live or in my city! I certainly would risk being a human bumper car in a sea of pseudo-punks to get to see Sinead here! I hope she does it, because I doubt she'll do some solo tour that takes her here, tho I wish she would... Lisa -- in Memphis, TN From jitr-owner Fri Apr 28 05:44:07 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id FAA24155 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 05:44:07 -0700 Received: from orion.it.luc.edu (joh@orion.it.luc.edu [147.126.1.9]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with SMTP id FAA24150 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 05:44:04 -0700 Received: by orion.it.luc.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA118029; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 07:44:00 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 07:44:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Junghyun Oh To: jitr@server.postmodern.com Cc: jitr@server.postmodern.com Subject: Re: lollypopaloozer In-Reply-To: <01HPV09PCHG89B5AHT@MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 Status: O Well, in reply to lisa's post, i totally have to agree with her even if she didn't go to lollopalooza. I went several years back and although it wasn't as crazy or mainstream as it is now, the scene was pretty much the same. In Chicago, lolly takes place at world music theatre which has lawn seats in addition to normal seating. Although the pavillion part isn't so bad, looking back at the lawn looked like one big mud wrestling match. It was pathetic. People go around buying everything with their mommy's credit card and looking out for chicks or guys. All it is one big paty with people you don't know and don't want to know. I do admit that i did go to one lolly but as long as i don't take part in their pitiful joyride, it doesn't bother me much except for the overpriced shitty food and drink and the long line for the bathroom on usually a very sunny day. I have considered to going again this year just because of miss O'connor but seeing her at WOMAD was such a wonderful surprise that i may be able to miss this crazy gala, better known as lollapaloza, and be ok with it. As devastated as i am to know that ms. O'connor is taking part in this overpriced, self absorbed, yuppie, mainstream festival, i can't blame anyone for contributing to it because i did. So folks think twice before you want to waste your hard earned money on this money market but i guess we can't do anything about it. Perry Farrell needs to calm down and come back to earth, he's only seeing $$-signs and not caring about the authenticity of the very first Lollapalooza...... .......just my opinion......Julie:) From jitr-owner Fri Apr 28 11:57:09 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id LAA24627 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 11:57:09 -0700 Received: from ping.at (uucp@pong.ping.at [193.81.14.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with SMTP id LAA24622 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 11:57:01 -0700 Received: from site51.ping.at by ping.at with UUCP id AA23142 (5.67b8/ping for jitr@server.postmodern.com); Fri, 28 Apr 1995 20:56:45 +0200 Received: by site51.ping.at (CrossPoint v3.02); 28 Apr 1995 20:55:33 +0200 Date: 28 Apr 1995 20:55:00 +0200 From: szendrey@site51.ping.at (Roman Szendrey) To: jitr@server.postmodern.com Message-Id: <5khb7DXye6B@site51.ping.at> In-Reply-To: <9503287990.AA799099302@smtp.ibes.com> Subject: Re: jitr list X-Mailer: XP v3.02 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 28.04.95: swarren@smtp.ibes.com ( ) wrote about "jitr list": Status: O > Someone on the jitr list was asking yesterday about a complete catalogue of > Sinead's work. I sent her a list of the guest appearances I was familiar > with. I forgot to add the Willie Nelson duet, however. I mentioned the > Soldat Louis collaboration, but I sure hope she doesn't write back and ask > about it (because I haven't heard it yet). but you will soon, aren't you? :-) > Can you believe these people on the list who haven't heard the song from > Captive ("Heroine") yet? And they call themselves Sinead fans? well, i haven't heard that song 'til the moment i got this tape from a guy called sam. :-) > And all this talk about who will or may be at the Lollapalooza shows, and > how they will or may behave... i hope, sinead leaves this festival alive... > If this is who will be seeing Sinead > this time around, can I be assured that they will sit still and listen, > instead of loudly proclaiming their opinions? Or shall I wait for the next > tour? let's hope that the wild crowd does't treat sinead like at the dylan- anniversary. roman ---------------------------------------- roman szendrey (szendrey@site51.ping.at) vienna / austria ---------------------------------------- ## CrossPoint v3.02 ## From jitr-owner Fri Apr 28 15:05:50 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id PAA25230 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 15:05:50 -0700 Received: from magellan.geo.usherb.ca (magellan.geo.usherb.ca [132.210.144.40]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with SMTP id PAA25225 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 15:05:46 -0700 Received: by magellan.geo.usherb.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA24542; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 18:03:04 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 18:03:04 -0400 From: hgwyn@magellan.geo.usherb.ca (Hugh Gwyn) Message-Id: <9504282203.AA24542@magellan.geo.usherb.ca> To: jitr@server.postmodern.COM Subject: Re: Lollapolooza Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.COM Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 Status: O MO> Well, Lollapolooza sure won't help her be seen as mainstream! MO> That's a pretty far out tour, always has been. She'll be MO> perceived like most of the LPZA bands: grunge, teen, way-out, MO> extreme fringe. I beg to differ! LPZA is the heart (IMHO) of the 'new' mainstream. Someone is makeing big $$$ (which rules 'fringe' right out). In N. american culture 'teen' is the center of the universe. Grunge (at least where I live) is what LOTS of people are into. A huge crowd is far from 'way-out'. I'd qualify the solar-powered show by rythm activism I saw last summer on an anarchist squat as 'way-out'. But not a crowd of 10000. But in a sens, loo-la-pelouza isn't as mainstream as lionel richie, but I don't think Sinead needs to be THAT mainstream. -fil hgwyn@magellan.geo.usherb.ca From jitr-owner Fri Apr 28 15:51:00 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id PAA25346 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 15:51:00 -0700 Received: from whistler.sfu.ca (root@whistler.sfu.ca [142.58.103.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with ESMTP id PAA25341 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 15:50:55 -0700 Received: from kits.sfu.ca (kundarew@kits.sfu.ca [142.58.110.2]) by whistler.sfu.ca with ESMTP (8.6.11/SFU-2.6H) id PAA09163 for (from kundarew); Fri, 28 Apr 1995 15:50:34 -0700 From: Paul Daniel Kundarewich Received: by kits.sfu.ca (8.6.11/SFU-2.5C) id PAA19121 for jitr@server.postmodern.com (from kundarew); Fri, 28 Apr 1995 15:50:33 -0700 Message-Id: <199504282250.PAA19121@kits.sfu.ca> Subject: But is it good. To: jitr@server.postmodern.com Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 15:50:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 322 Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 Status: O You know all this talk about whether or not lollapolossa is good or not just strikes me as a waste of time. As someone once said: There is only two types of music. Good music and Bad music. The quality of music is not inversly proportion to how many people are listing to it at any one moment. Paul kundarew@sfu.ca From jitr-owner Fri Apr 28 16:24:18 1995 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) id QAA25397 for jitr-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 16:24:18 -0700 Received: from relay1.Hawaii.Edu (relay1.Hawaii.Edu [128.171.41.53]) by server.postmodern.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-mcb-950325) with SMTP id QAA25392 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 16:24:13 -0700 Received: from uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu ([128.171.44.54]) by relay1.Hawaii.Edu with SMTP id <11415(1)>; Fri, 28 Apr 1995 13:24:04 -1000 Received: by uhunix4.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (4.1/Sun690) id AA12434; Fri, 28 Apr 95 13:22:19 HST Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 13:22:08 -1000 From: THE RAT To: jitr@server.postmodern.com In-Real-Life: Greg Bueno Title/Organization: President, The Richard Ching Fan Club Subject: Re: But is it good. In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 28 Apr 1995 12:50:32 -1000 Message-Id: Sender: owner-jitr@server.postmodern.com Precedence: bulk X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 Status: O > As someone once said: > > There is only two types of music. Good music and Bad music. > > > The quality of music is not inversly proportion > to how many people are listing to it at any one moment. I like the conclusion of this statement, but the first part may give Zen practitioners real shivers! I really don't care about Lollapolooza myself...I know they can't bring it to Hawaii... ========================================================================= "If only love can die along with death, this life would be a whole lot easier." -- Andrew Vachss Greg Bueno bueno@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu =========================================================================