From mcb@presto.ig.com Tue Jan 3 11:40:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by mail.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id LAA29935; Tue, 3 Jan 1995 11:40:25 -0800 Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id LAA03219 for jitr-dist; Tue, 3 Jan 1995 11:25:41 -0800 Received: from relay1.UU.NET (relay1.UU.NET [192.48.96.5]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA03216 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 1995 11:25:39 -0800 Received: from postmodern.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxxcv24673; Tue, 3 Jan 1995 14:25:31 -0500 Received: by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA03377; Tue, 3 Jan 95 11:23:07 PST Message-Id: <9501031923.AA03377@postmodern.com> From: mcb@postmodern.com (Michael C. Berch) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 11:23:06 -0800 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu, jitr@presto.ig.com Subject: Positively the *last* top ten of '94 (yeah, right) content-length: 2611 Status: RO Top ten albums of 1994, pro forma: Sarah McLachlan, FUMBLING TOWARDS ECSTASY -- Yeah, technically '93. Whatever. Lush, SPLIT -- Wow, wow, wow. Milla, THE DIVINE COMEDY Tori Amos, UNDER THE PINK Laurie Anderson, BRIGHT RED/TIGHTROPE Sinead O'Connor, UNIVERSAL MOTHER Kristin Hersh, HIPS AND MAKERS The Pretenders, LAST OF THE INDEPENDENTS Frente!, LABOUR OF LOVE EP -- More satisfying than MARVIN THE ALBUM, imho, mostly due to the inclusion of "Not Given Lightly". Cirque de Soleil, ALEGRIA -- Their best soundtrack, I think. Honorable mentions: Dead Can Dance, TOWARD THE WITHIN The Cranberries, NO NEED TO ARGUE Lisa Germano, GEEK THE GIRL The jury is still out on: Happy Rhodes, BUILDING THE COLOSSUS. I don't [yet] have my copy, and have only heard it on a borrowed tape. Mmmm, different. Song of the Year: Sarah McLachlan, "Possession". Disappointments: Hole, LIVE THROUGH THIS -- I dunno. I guess it's hard for me to separate Hole's music from the whole Courtney/Kurt thing, and there is a lot of musical and songwriting talent there, but I guess I'm just turned off by more depressingly nihilistic slacker music. People like Happy Rhodes and Sinead O'Connor can sing about really scary, depressing things in a complex and interesting way, but Hole just seems shrill and self-absorbed. D'Cuckoo, UMOJA -- Hard to believe that this album is from the same people I've seen live three times and who are just totally *electrifying* in person. The album is not *bad*, but completely fails to capture the spirit of D'Cuckoo. Seen live in '94: Sleeper (in UK), Miranda Sex Garden (in UK), Sharkboy (in UK), Frente!, Smashing Pumpkins, Toad the Wet Sprocket, George Clinton, the Beastie Boys (ick), L7, The Pretenders, Rollins Band, Depeche Mode, Green Day, D'Cuckoo, Madder Rose (in UK). Best performance of the year: George Clinton (!) This was at Lollapalooza, and really kicked butt and livened up an otherwise rather lackluster day. Never been a big George Clinton fan, but this won me over. Runner-up: The Pretenders at Live 105 BFD Concert, in June, and Sharkboy/Sleeper/Miranda Sex Garden/Madder Rose at the Astoria in London in April. *Missed* live in '94: Everybody else, especially Sarah McLachlan in San Francisco and Shonen Knife at Lolla. Happy Rhodes anywhere. Tori Amos anywhere. And Laurie Anderson's cancelled tour. Musical peeve of '94: Radio overexposure of grunge. I mean, I (mostly) *like* Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Stone Temple Pilots, etc., but every five minutes?? Could we hear some new voices as well? -- Michael mcb@postmodern.com From mcb@presto.ig.com Thu Jan 5 05:42:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by mail2.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id FAA02642; Thu, 5 Jan 1995 05:41:47 -0800 Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id FAA22976 for jitr-dist; Thu, 5 Jan 1995 05:29:41 -0800 Received: from swan.doc.ic.ac.uk (swan.doc.ic.ac.uk [155.198.191.2]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id FAA22973 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 1995 05:29:38 -0800 Received: from doc.ic.ac.uk by swan.doc.ic.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <02045-0@swan.doc.ic.ac.uk>; Thu, 5 Jan 1995 13:29:27 +0000 From: Matthias Radestock Date: Thu, 5 Jan 95 13:29:24 GMT Message-Id: <10156.9501051329@gummo.doc.ic.ac.uk> Received: from scorch.doc.ic.ac.uk by gummo.doc.ic.ac.uk; Thu, 5 Jan 95 13:29:24 GMT Received: by scorch.doc.ic.ac.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03733; Thu, 5 Jan 95 13:29:24 GMT To: jump-in-the-river@presto.ig.com In-Reply-To: <199501041521.HAA16759@remarque.berkeley.edu> (message from Jym Dyer on Wed, 04 Jan 1995 07:21:09 -0800) Subject: Re: Middle Eastern Vocals on 13-Minute "Fire on Babylon" Status: RO Sounds like that guy from Jah Wobble's band (which is quite likely given the many links they have with Sinead). Can't remember his name. His duet 'I'am an Algerian' on Jah Wobbles recent album is great. Matthias. From mcb@presto.ig.com Thu Jan 5 16:57:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by mail3.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id QAA07249; Thu, 5 Jan 1995 16:57:29 -0800 Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id QAA06600 for jitr-dist; Thu, 5 Jan 1995 16:46:01 -0800 Received: from gw.wmich.edu (gw.wmich.edu [141.218.1.100]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA06597 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 1995 16:45:59 -0800 From: X93PODSIAD@wmich.edu Received: from piglet.cc.wmich.edu (piglet.cc.wmich.edu [141.218.20.105]) by gw.wmich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA17716 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 1995 19:45:52 -0500 Received: from wmich.edu by wmich.edu (PMDF V4.3-10 #5064) id <01HLHZ6D26CW8ZFE4B@wmich.edu>; Thu, 05 Jan 1995 19:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 1995 19:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: tour... To: jump-in-the-river@presto.ig.com Message-id: <01HLHZC0FTN88ZFE4B@wmich.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Status: RO did someone recently post something about sinead touring north america, or was i just dreaming it all? if it's true, could someone kindly repost the details? thank you. -m. From mcb@presto.ig.com Wed Jan 4 07:34:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by netcom6.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id HAA09172; Wed, 4 Jan 1995 07:34:24 -0800 Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id HAA11865 for jitr-dist; Wed, 4 Jan 1995 07:21:17 -0800 Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu (remarque.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.152.164]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA11862 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 1995 07:21:15 -0800 Received: from localhost by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id HAA16759; Wed, 4 Jan 1995 07:21:10 -0800 Message-Id: <199501041521.HAA16759@remarque.berkeley.edu> To: jump-in-the-river@presto.ig.com (Hop in the Brook) Reply-to: jump-in-the-river@presto.ig.com Subject: Middle Eastern Vocals on 13-Minute "Fire on Babylon" Date: Wed, 04 Jan 1995 07:21:09 -0800 From: Jym Dyer Status: RO =o= Does anyone know what the Middle Eastern vocals are on the 13-minute version of "Fire on Babylon?" Does anyone know who's singing them, if not Sinead herself? <_Jym_> From mcb@presto.ig.com Tue Jan 10 13:07 PST 1995 Return-Path: Received: from netcom11.netcom.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA06020; Tue, 10 Jan 95 13:07:22 PST Received: from presto.ig.com by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id NAA02035; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 13:09:09 -0800 Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id NAA22089 for jitr-dist; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 13:03:20 -0800 Received: from magellan.geo.usherb.ca (magellan.geo.usherb.ca [132.210.144.40]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA22086 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 13:03:18 -0800 Received: by magellan.geo.usherb.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA30029; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 16:00:58 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 16:00:58 -0500 From: hgwyn@magellan.geo.usherb.ca (Hugh Gwyn) Message-Id: <9501102100.AA30029@magellan.geo.usherb.ca> To: jump-in-the-river@presto.ig.com Subject: the top ten thingo Content-Type: text Content-Length: 70 Status: RO no one mentioned Ani difranco! she wins as being the best of 94 -fil From mcb@presto.ig.com Tue Jan 10 18:11 PST 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA06652; Tue, 10 Jan 95 18:11:22 PST Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id SAA25808 for jitr-dist; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 18:06:01 -0800 Received: from remus.rutgers.edu (root@remus.rutgers.edu [128.6.13.3]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA25805 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 18:05:55 -0800 Received: from [192.67.236.41] (ficara.jvnc.net [192.67.236.41]) by remus.rutgers.edu (8.6.8.1+bestmx/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA00136 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 21:05:39 -0500 Message-Id: <199501110205.VAA00136@remus.rutgers.edu> X-Sender: ficara@remus.rutgers.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 21:15:59 -0500 To: jitr@presto.ig.com From: ficara@acm.org (Ken Ficara) Subject: Re: Even Yet Another Top 10 for 1994 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 779 Status: RO Not that any of us subscribe to the Green Day mailing list, but it's awfully humorous to hear someone accusing a nineties punk band of not being as original as the punk bands of the 70s and 80s. Punk was no more "original" in the 80s than it is now. Or hadn't you ever heard of the Velvet Underground, the Stooges, etc.? I mean, I have news for you: People have been playing three-chord music and yelling really loud since long before you were born, so don't get on your high horse about "originality." Back to your regularly scheduled Sinead O'Connor list. Ken ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ken Ficara ficara@acm.org "Go out and buy books while they're still legal!" From mcb@presto.ig.com Tue Jan 10 21:44 PST 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA06884; Tue, 10 Jan 95 21:44:04 PST Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id VAA27514 for jitr-dist; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 21:43:19 -0800 Received: from afep.yorku.ca (afep.yorku.ca [130.63.236.54]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA27509 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 21:43:18 -0800 Received: (from yu105992@localhost) by afep.yorku.ca (8.6.9/8.6.9) id AAA22221 for jitr@presto.ig.com; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 00:43:08 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 00:43:08 -0500 From: "the Other" Message-Id: <9501110043.ZM15307@afep.yorku.ca> X-Mailer: Z-Mail Lite (3.2.0 26may94) To: jitr@presto.ig.com Subject: farewell to the alternative... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 1383 Status: RO Re: the Green Day arguments - I guess we've all realized that our coveted alternative music is gone forever. Every time I think I've found something I think is different, the mainstream claims it too, and then what do I have? :-( A little story, if you will: About four years ago, I was sitting in my Physics class listening to the guy in front of me sing "Sir Psycho Sexy" (RHCP). He was an outcast who shaved his head, leaving only a fringe to fall around his eyes. Pete wore docs, army shorts, etc., etc. and was my hero. No one looked like him: they thought he was loser. Now my 11-year-old brother is a carbon copy of Pete, just like little brothers and sisters everywhere. Pete later tried to convince me that the fact that everyone was listening to the Chili Peppers was a good thing - it meant they had money to make even more music. I wasn't convinced. I'm still not, but it doesn't matter now, does it? :) marlaine -- ___________________________________________________________________________ S. Marlaine Lindsay ( ( "On a cold, wet, Canadian winter Glendon College ) ) night, there's nothing like York University ( ( crawling into bed with your lap- Toronto, Ontario, Canada ) ) top and curling up with a good ( ( disc." - Frank Ogden ___________________________________________________________________________ From mcb@presto.ig.com Tue Jan 10 22:07 PST 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA06902; Tue, 10 Jan 95 22:07:21 PST Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id WAA27651 for jitr-dist; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 22:05:03 -0800 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com (mail02.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.66]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA27648 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 22:05:01 -0800 Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA28546; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 01:05:27 -0500 From: SnailShell@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 01:05:27 -0500 Message-Id: <950111005102_5114584@aol.com> To: jitr@presto.ig.com Subject: Re: The everpopular mainstream Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1269 Status: RO > as for your statement about Green Day maybe being original > about a decade ago...they were. Is it their fault that > mainstream is slow to pick up anything that isn't just that? > and then ruins it by overplay when it is? AMEN. Green Day have been around forever, or at least around the SF Bay area they have. Unfortunately, it takes a while for your average pop music listener to adjust to new trends, so cool bands usually only hit the big time several years after they start recording, then once they do they are so overplayed that fans from the early days get tired of them. (and incidentally, zillions of Green Day-esqe bands are popping up left and right now, making it even more tiring) As long as Gothic, Folk and Polka never hit mainstream I'll be a happy camper. :) -Ziad (of Camelot) *------------------* Ziad O. Ezzat * San Jose State University | | snailshell@aol.com * zezzat@sparta.sjsu.edu |------------------| bassist * singer * songwriter * swell guy | * * * | U S O U T O F N O R T H A M E R I C A |------------------| "Loyalty to petrified opinion never yet | | broke a chain or freed a human soul" *------------------* -- S a m u e l C l e m e n s From mcb@presto.ig.com Wed Jan 11 09:35 PST 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA07577; Wed, 11 Jan 95 09:35:53 PST Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id JAA02313 for jitr-dist; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:29:57 -0800 Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu (remarque.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.152.164]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA02310 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:29:55 -0800 Received: from localhost by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id JAA19606; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:29:38 -0800 Message-Id: <199501111729.JAA19606@remarque.berkeley.edu> To: jitr@presto.ig.com Reply-To: jitr@presto.ig.com Subject: Re: farewell to the alternative... In-Reply-To: the Other's message of "Wed, 11 Jan 1995 00:43:08 EST." <9501110043.ZM15307@afep.yorku.ca> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:29:35 -0800 From: Jym Dyer Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1362 Status: RO =o= Well, since I made the original Green Day comment (and listed some "alternative" music in my top ten), I guess I oughta pipe up. =o= I don't think originality is particularly important in punk music because what really matters there is the raw churning honest cathartic emotion. I don't detect any of that in Green Day's music, and indeed I have a hard time thinking of them as "punk." =o= In general I don't mind musicians wearing their influences on their sleeves so long as they either (1) admit that they're basically a cover band or (2) do something original with it. With very few exceptions (and those exceptions tend to be either stellar or totally obscure), recorded music is going to betray some measure of derivativeness. What matters is if the musicians go somewhere with it, rather than regurgitating it. =o= I haven't heard anything by Green Day or Counting Crows that hasn't qualified as regurgitation. =o= The so-called "grunge" or "alternative" scene isn't much more than hype. It's been a moribund time in the music world; and then suddenly Nirvana -- a creative, talented band -- shows up and after a few pedestrian releases starts finding life in a genre whose vocabularly has mostly been played out. =o= "Grunge"/"alternative" is basically a bunch of people trying to mine the same vein, with predictable results. <_Jym_> From mcb@presto.ig.com Wed Jan 11 17:46 PST 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA08658; Wed, 11 Jan 95 17:46:29 PST Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id RAA09365 for jitr-dist; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 17:41:38 -0800 Received: from remus.rutgers.edu (root@remus.rutgers.edu [128.6.13.3]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA09362 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 17:41:36 -0800 Received: from [192.67.236.41] (ficara.jvnc.net [192.67.236.41]) by remus.rutgers.edu (8.6.8.1+bestmx/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA02840; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 20:41:22 -0500 Message-Id: <199501120141.UAA02840@remus.rutgers.edu> X-Sender: ficara@remus.rutgers.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 20:51:39 -0500 To: SnailShell@aol.com, jitr@presto.ig.com From: ficara@acm.org (Ken Ficara) Subject: Re: The everpopular mainstream Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 978 Status: RO >several years after they start recording, then once they do they are so >overplayed that fans from the early days get tired of them. (and Every time I mention that I like Green Day's new disc, people say, "How can you listen to them? They're so overplayed!" Well, unless you LISTEN TO THAT STUPID FUCKING POP RADIO BULLSHIT, you don't NOTICE a band being overplayed. Hello!!!!! So if you're tired of your favorite band being overplayed, turn off that asshole radio station, kick in your television or sell it, get out your checkbook, and find your local NPR station. You have no idea how turning off all that sugar-coated mindless garbage improves your attitude. (It will, however, vastly reduce your tolerance for idiocy and emptiness. I can live with that.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ken Ficara ficara@acm.org "Go out and buy books while they're still legal!" From mcb@presto.ig.com Wed Jan 11 17:47 PST 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA08672; Wed, 11 Jan 95 17:47:28 PST Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id RAA09361 for jitr-dist; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 17:41:36 -0800 Received: from remus.rutgers.edu (root@remus.rutgers.edu [128.6.13.3]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA09357 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 17:41:34 -0800 Received: from [192.67.236.41] (ficara.jvnc.net [192.67.236.41]) by remus.rutgers.edu (8.6.8.1+bestmx/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA02834; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 20:41:10 -0500 Message-Id: <199501120141.UAA02834@remus.rutgers.edu> X-Sender: ficara@remus.rutgers.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 20:51:29 -0500 To: "the Other" , jitr@presto.ig.com From: ficara@acm.org (Ken Ficara) Subject: Re: farewell to the alternative... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 1461 Status: RO At 00:43 1/11/95 -0500, the Other wrote: > > Re: the Green Day arguments - I guess we've all realized that our >coveted alternative music is gone forever. Every time I think I've found Speak for yourself. If the only reason you like something is because no one else does, something is wrong with how you pick what you like. >something I think is different, the mainstream claims it too, and then what >do I have? :-( No less than you had to begin with. >No one looked like him: they thought he was loser. Now my 11-year-old >brother is a carbon copy of Pete, just like little brothers and sisters >everywhere. So what? Forty years ago the only people with hair below the tops of their ears were greasers and the bad guys in James Dean movies. Within ten years it wasn't even interesting anymore. The so-called alternative scene has ALWAYS been extremely conformist; most punks wore a uniform just like they were in the military. If the only reason you want to do something is because no one else does it, you're not thinking for yourself any more than anyone else, maybe less. There's plenty of things to do independently for yourself -- open your eyes. > I'm still not, but it doesn't matter now, does it? Didn't matter then, either. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ken Ficara ficara@acm.org "Go out and buy books while they're still legal!" From mcb@presto.ig.com Thu Jan 12 04:39 PST 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA09264; Thu, 12 Jan 95 04:39:51 PST Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id EAA13179 for jitr-dist; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 04:35:43 -0800 Received: from swan.doc.ic.ac.uk (swan.doc.ic.ac.uk [155.198.191.2]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA13176 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 04:35:38 -0800 Received: from doc.ic.ac.uk by swan.doc.ic.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <04732-0@swan.doc.ic.ac.uk>; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 12:35:20 +0000 Received: from scorch.doc.ic.ac.uk by gummo.doc.ic.ac.uk; Thu, 12 Jan 95 12:35:17 GMT Received: by scorch.doc.ic.ac.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08881; Thu, 12 Jan 95 12:35:16 GMT From: Matthias Radestock Date: Thu, 12 Jan 95 12:35:17 GMT Message-Id: <16349.9501121235@gummo.doc.ic.ac.uk> To: jitr@presto.ig.com Subject: This is a *Sinead O'Connor* mailing list Content-Type: text Content-Length: 171 Status: RO I'd just like to remind everyone that this is a *Sinead O'Connor* mailing list. Recently there have been several postings that don't even *mention* her. Love, Matthias. From mcb@presto.ig.com Thu Jan 12 11:21 PST 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA00298; Thu, 12 Jan 95 11:21:56 PST Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id LAA17300 for jitr-dist; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 11:13:45 -0800 Received: from rf1.cuis.edu (rf1.cuis.edu [192.111.36.4]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA17297 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 11:13:42 -0800 Received: from CRF.CUIS.EDU by CRF.CUIS.EDU (PMDF V4.3-13 #6256) id <01HLRDEPO91C9D5AGN@CRF.CUIS.EDU>; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 13:06:02 -0600 (CST) From: CRF_MAASK@crf.cuis.edu Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 13:06:02 -0600 (CST) Subject: this is JITR To: jitr@presto.ig.com Message-Id: <01HLRDEPQE769D5AGN@CRF.CUIS.EDU> Organization: Concordia University Information Systems, River Forest, Il. X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Length: 746 Status: RO This is in respnse to Matthias' remark about getting back onto the topic. You're right. I apologise to everyone out there who has suffered through this long discourse about the mainstreaming on alternative. When i sent that initial message in response to Green Day being on Jym's shitlist, I didn't really think i sent it to everyone. I meant to just send it to him...i didn't think it was worth everyone else's time. But being the computer idiot that i am...i started a battle. As for Sinead, does anyone know when she's getting married and when her baby is due? I'm not looking for tabloid gossip, i just want to know if this may interfere with the aforementioned possibility of a tour. Kimberly. chicago. From mcb@presto.ig.com Thu Jan 12 11:23 PST 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA00302; Thu, 12 Jan 95 11:23:44 PST Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id LAA17386 for jitr-dist; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 11:16:32 -0800 Received: from netcom2.netcom.com (scud@netcom2.netcom.com [192.100.81.108]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA17383 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 11:16:28 -0800 Received: by netcom2.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id LAA18597; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 11:15:35 -0800 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 11:15:34 -0800 (PST) From: Steven Scuderi Subject: Sinead O'connor To: "Sinead O'connor" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 142 Status: RO When I first subscribed to this list I thought I was subscribing to a list that discusses Sinead O'connor not Green Day Scud@netcom.com From mcb@presto.ig.com Thu Jan 12 12:32 PST 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA00417; Thu, 12 Jan 95 12:32:36 PST Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id MAA19686 for jitr-dist; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 12:30:20 -0800 Received: from relay1.Hawaii.Edu (relay1.Hawaii.Edu [128.171.41.53]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA19683 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 12:30:19 -0800 Received: from uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu ([128.171.41.54]) by relay1.Hawaii.Edu with SMTP id <11427(8)>; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 10:30:05 -1000 Received: by uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (4.1/Sun690) id AA29447; Thu, 12 Jan 95 10:26:44 HST Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 10:26:43 -1000 From: THE RAT To: jitr@presto.ig.com In-Real-Life: Greg Bueno Content-Type: text Content-Length: 289 Status: RO Title/Organization: President, The Richard Ching Fan Club Subject: Re: this is JITR In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 12 Jan 1995 09:06:02 -1000 Message-Id: content-length: 59 I saw a blurb in a local paper saying that she miscarried. From mcb@presto.ig.com Thu Jan 12 19:56 PST 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA00713; Thu, 12 Jan 95 19:56:01 PST Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id TAA25268 for jitr-dist; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 19:52:53 -0800 Received: from afep.yorku.ca (afep.yorku.ca [130.63.236.54]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA25265 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 19:52:52 -0800 Received: (from yu105992@localhost) by afep.yorku.ca (8.6.9/8.6.9) id WAA64878 for jitr@presto.ig.com; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 22:52:48 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 22:52:48 -0500 From: "the Other" Message-Id: <9501122252.ZM34668@afep.yorku.ca> X-Mailer: Z-Mail Lite (3.2.0 26may94) To: jitr@presto.ig.com Subject: Re: farewell to the alternative... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 683 Status: RO You know Ken, I really like you! You've pissed me off, disagreed with me, attacked my self-esteem, trampled my argumentation, and questioned the logic of my opinions - thanks! It's nice to see some personality on this list... :) marlaine -- ___________________________________________________________________________ S. Marlaine Lindsay ( ( "On a cold, wet, Canadian winter Glendon College ) ) night, there's nothing like York University ( ( crawling into bed with your lap- Toronto, Ontario, Canada ) ) top and curling up with a good ( ( disc." - Frank Ogden ___________________________________________________________________________ From mcb@presto.ig.com Thu Jan 12 22:33 PST 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA00853; Thu, 12 Jan 95 22:33:42 PST Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id WAA25843 for jitr-dist; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 22:29:52 -0800 Received: from remus.rutgers.edu (root@remus.rutgers.edu [128.6.13.3]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA25840 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 22:29:51 -0800 Received: from [192.67.236.41] (ficara.jvnc.net [192.67.236.41]) by remus.rutgers.edu (8.6.8.1+bestmx/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA16192; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 01:29:32 -0500 Message-Id: <199501130629.BAA16192@remus.rutgers.edu> X-Sender: ficara@remus.rutgers.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 01:39:54 -0500 To: "the Other" , jitr@presto.ig.com From: ficara@acm.org (Ken Ficara) Subject: Re: farewell to the alternative... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 1195 Status: RO At 22:52 1/12/95 -0500, the Other wrote: > You know Ken, I really like you! You've pissed me off, disagreed >with me, attacked my self-esteem, trampled my argumentation, and questioned >the logic of my opinions - thanks! It's nice to see some personality on this >list... > > :) marlaine Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. I'm sorry if I come on strong, I tend to discuss things I care about pretty passionately. (I also have no objection to being talked at the same way, in fact, I prefer it to wimpy "well maybe you're right" nonsense). The fact that I'm answering your letters at such length means you're making me think, which is a good thing. I'm also interested in continuing the discussion -- it really was the most interesting thing that's happened on the list, and the first thing, as you said, that showed some personality. :) ken "Whatever it may bring I will live by my own policies I will sleep with a clear conscience I will sleep in peace." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ken Ficara ficara@acm.org "Go out and buy books while they're still legal!" From mcb@presto.ig.com Fri Jan 13 07:56 PST 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA01188; Fri, 13 Jan 95 07:56:29 PST Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id HAA28691 for jitr-dist; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 07:54:50 -0800 Received: from buclaa.bu.edu (BUCLAA.BU.EDU [128.197.70.80]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA28688 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 1995 07:54:49 -0800 Received: by buclaa.bu.edu (5.61+++/SMI-4.0.3) id AA26423; Fri, 13 Jan 95 10:45:34 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 95 10:45:34 -0500 From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano) Message-Id: <9501131545.AA26423@buclaa.bu.edu> To: jitr@presto.ig.com Subject: List content Content-Type: text Content-Length: 859 Status: RO Just to clarify one thing, Ken wrote: >(and some poor sod posted a question last week about a tour and received, >I think, no reply at all) Actually, I replied to that poster privately since the info was already posted on the list and also since there wasn't much to the tour info anyway. Otherwise, I think the recent discussion has been interesting and fairly civil. I can understand why some people question it's appropriateness to this list, although the discussion is now carrying some Sinead content. Besides, go onto any other mailing list and mention Green Day and see how civil the discussion is then. Whether I agree with Ken or not is irrelevant, I think his posts have been interesting. It's better than reading a ton of "Green Day sucks" posts. Anyway, just wanted to post my thoughts (I don't have many of them :) ) Rich Boston Univ. From mcb@presto.ig.com Sat Jan 14 08:01 PST 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA01310; Sat, 14 Jan 95 08:01:39 PST Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id HAA08778 for jitr-dist; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 07:58:15 -0800 Received: from remus.rutgers.edu (root@remus.rutgers.edu [128.6.13.3]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA08775 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 07:58:13 -0800 Received: from [192.67.236.41] (ficara.jvnc.net [192.67.236.41]) by remus.rutgers.edu (8.6.8.1+bestmx/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA20799; Sat, 14 Jan 1995 10:58:01 -0500 Message-Id: <199501141558.KAA20799@remus.rutgers.edu> X-Sender: ficara@remus.rutgers.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 1995 11:08:17 -0500 To: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano), jitr@presto.ig.com From: ficara@acm.org (Ken Ficara) Subject: Re: List content Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 711 Status: RO >I can understand why some people question it's appropriateness to this list, >although the discussion is now carrying some Sinead content. Besides, go >onto any other mailing list and mention Green Day and see how civil the Well, I'd hoped this wasn't turning into a discussion of whether or not we liked Green Day. I'm more interested in talking about what "alternative" music is, why people listen to it, and by extension, what makes Sinead "alternative" and why people listen to her. :) ken ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ken Ficara ficara@acm.org "Go out and buy books while they're still legal!" From mcb@presto.ig.com Thu Jan 12 16:35 PST 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA00428; Thu, 12 Jan 95 16:35:42 PST Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id QAA23692 for jitr-dist; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 16:31:44 -0800 Received: from remus.rutgers.edu (root@remus.rutgers.edu [128.6.13.3]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA23689 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 16:31:42 -0800 Received: from [192.67.236.41] (ficara.jvnc.net [192.67.236.41]) by remus.rutgers.edu (8.6.8.1+bestmx/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA00776; Thu, 12 Jan 1995 19:31:23 -0500 Message-Id: <199501130031.TAA00776@remus.rutgers.edu> X-Sender: ficara@remus.rutgers.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 19:41:41 -0500 To: "the Other" , jitr@presto.ig.com From: ficara@acm.org (Ken Ficara) Subject: Re: farewell to the alternative... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 5114 Status: RO >that _wasn't_ Mr.Mister, Duran Duran, or Michael Bolton. Why are people on >this list attracted to Sinead's music? It's definitely not the norm.... Because it's >>good<<. Because she's honest, she's genuine, she's saying things that other people are afraid to say, and she makes me think. She gets people angry. And she's got an incredibly beautiful voice. NONE OF THAT WOULD CHANGE if she were to become wildly popular (did "I Would Compare 2 U" change anything?) I mean, yes, some artists sell out. But that means they were less than you thought they were in the first place. > Was this the only reason? Ah, another question entirely. Let me >answer this with another question: could anyone sit through an entire Skinny >Puppy CD if they didn't like it?! I couldn't sit through an entire anything CD if I didn't like it. > Jym then asserted that "raw churning honest cathartic emotion" is >what is important in punk music, and apparently Green Day doesn't possess >this characteristic. I'm not sure. What is "honest emotion"? One of the >most cathartic events I've ever attended was an Alice in Chains concert, a >band which I would not consider to be alternative. What, alternative music has a monopoly on honest emotion???? On cathartic emotion? Ever listen to blues? You want cathartic emotion, listen to Skip James' 1931 recording of "Hard Time Killing Floor Blues." > Look in the "Alternative" section of your music store. I found >Offspring in there, and New Order, the Cult, etc., etc. Very few of the >groups had never made the Top 40. What's so alternative about music that >everyone listens to? Well, the problem here is mixing up "Alternative," a term used by record company executives and record store employees who have to write "R" and "L" on the back of their hands so they know which one to use to pick up a pen, and "alternative," a word meaning "different from the mainstream." Not all "alternative" music is "Alternative" in the sense that the people who buy it like to wear black nail polish. Sinead's music isn't all that "Alternative" and hasn't been since her first album -- the new album is mostly piano ballads, for crying out loud. Lots of music is "alternative" and as the mainstream changes, so will what's "alternative." True world music is still "alternative." So is real blues, as opposed to Eric Clapton. So is Brian Eno. Richard Thompson. Etc. > That takes us back to Ken's argument that it's pretty lame to listen >to things just because they're different. In response, I would agree, but >with a qualifier. It's not lame to try to be different, especially in a I agree. It's not lame to question things and to refuse to do things just because you're "supposed" to. Far from it. And it's not lame to not want to run with the crowd all the time. It >>is<< lame to stop doing things you like to do because they're no longer "cool," ie, everyone does them. In general, I think that doing things you don't like is lame. >society which calls for adherence to its specified norms. Sure, there is >conformity in the "alternative" crowd (Ken's "uniforms"), but this used to >exist _outside_ the prescribed mass conformity. I prefer the conformity of people who dress in all black to the disgusting Princetonian sweater-and-turtleneck look I have to put up with on a daily basis, but I like independent thinkers better than either of them. > The long, drawn-out, point being that the mainstreaming of >alternative music and its scene has been an identity-shaking process for many >of us. And as for Ziad, who will remain happy as long as Goth, Folk and >Polka never hit the mainstream, I have some sorry news. Remember the Cure >and Sisters of Mercy? What about Loreena McKennitt and Rawlins Cross? >*tears* And the polka guy out of St Catherines (Ontario) who won a American >Music Award (or whatever they give out down there)? It's been a sad, sad few >years. Marlaine, I may be being a bit harsh, but I am honestly trying to understand what's "sad" about what you described. What In closing, I notice that some people think this discussion is off-topic. I think it's pretty damned pertinent as we're talking about why we listen to what we do -- including Sinead -- and it's a lot more on-topic than the seventy three "here's my top ten list even though no one gives a flying fuck" messages that were flying by last week. If most people don't think this discussion should continue on the list, I'd like to take it to private email with whomever is interested. I think this is the best discussion on the list since I joined. Frankly, since I subscribed to JITR, all I've gotten of worth has been basic tour and release info (and some poor sod posted a question last week about a tour and received, I think, no reply at all) and this is the first discussion that's been worth having. but i'll respect the wishes of the membership. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ken Ficara ficara@acm.org "Go out and buy books while they're still legal!" From mcb@presto.ig.com Mon Jan 16 10:00 PST 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA00598; Mon, 16 Jan 95 10:00:52 PST Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id JAA22124 for jitr-dist; Mon, 16 Jan 1995 09:57:34 -0800 Received: from ntrlink.hq.interlink.com (ntrlink.hq.interlink.com [138.42.128.44]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA22121 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 1995 09:57:32 -0800 Received: from sunny.hq.interlink.com by ntrlink.hq.interlink.com with SMTP id AA22914 (5.64+/IDA-1.3.4-901124 for jitr@presto.ig.com); Mon, 16 Jan 95 09:45:04 -0800 Received: by sunny.hq.interlink.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27349; Mon, 16 Jan 95 09:56:34 PST Date: Mon, 16 Jan 95 09:56:34 PST From: dlau@interlink.com (Deanna Lau) Message-Id: <9501161756.AA27349@sunny.hq.interlink.com> To: jitr@presto.ig.com Subject: A woman's heart II Content-Type: text Content-Length: 475 Status: RO Hello All: This is my first post, so let me introduce myself. My name is Deanna Lau and I have only been on this list for about two weeks... but have been a big, big , big fan of Sinead's Music. I am posting to ask anyone if they know of a compilation album of women irish artists called 'A Womans Heart' and 'A Womans Heart II'. I heard that Sinead is involved w/ album 2. Does anyone know if she recorded a song for this album or how she is involved? Thanks Deanna From mcb@presto.ig.com Mon Jan 16 10:51 PST 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA00701; Mon, 16 Jan 95 10:50:57 PST Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id KAA22989 for jitr-dist; Mon, 16 Jan 1995 10:48:16 -0800 Received: from hardy.u.washington.edu (jholberg@hardy.u.washington.edu [128.95.136.13]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA22986 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 1995 10:48:15 -0800 Received: by hardy.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA11984; Mon, 16 Jan 95 10:48:10 -0800 X-Sender: jholberg@hardy.u.washington.edu Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 10:48:10 -0800 (PST) From: Jennifer Holberg To: Deanna Lau Cc: jitr@presto.ig.com Subject: Re: A woman's heart II In-Reply-To: <9501161756.AA27349@sunny.hq.interlink.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 853 Status: RO On Mon, 16 Jan 1995, Deanna Lau wrote: > I am posting to ask anyone if they know of a compilation album of women > irish artists called 'A Womans Heart' and 'A Womans Heart II'. > I heard that Sinead is involved w/ album 2. Does anyone know if she recorded > a song for this album or how she is involved? Hi Deanna and welcome! I have both of these albums--and recommend them highly. Sinead's contribution to WH2, unfortunately, is not anything new: "Three Babies" from IDNWWIHG is what is included. There is another woman named Sinead on the WH2, Sinead Lohan, as well. Other artists involved: Mary Black, Frances Black, Dolores Keane, Mary Coughlan, Sharon Shannon, Maura O'Connell, Maighread Ni Dhomhnaill, Eleanor McEvoy (not all these artists are on both albums) Hope this helps! Best, Jennifer Holberg jholberg@u.washington.edu From mcb@presto.ig.com Mon Jan 16 10:52 PST 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA00705; Mon, 16 Jan 95 10:52:43 PST Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id KAA23125 for jitr-dist; Mon, 16 Jan 1995 10:50:24 -0800 Received: from kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA23122 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 1995 10:50:23 -0800 Received: from mars.mcs.com (root@Mars.mcs.com [192.160.127.85]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA14512 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 1995 12:50:14 -0600 Received: by mars.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Mon, 16 Jan 95 12:50 CST Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 12:50:12 -0600 (CST) From: Carolyn Andre Subject: Re: A woman's heart II To: jitr@presto.ig.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 3169 Status: RO On Mon, 16 Jan 1995, Deanna Lau wrote: > I am posting to ask anyone if they know of a compilation album of women > irish artists called 'A Womans Heart' and 'A Womans Heart II'. > I heard that Sinead is involved w/ album 2. Does anyone know if she recorded > a song for this album or how she is involved? A Woman's Heart 2 contains 16 tracks by 9 Irish woman musicians, including 6 of the 7 who were on the first A Woman's Heart (Frances Black, Mary Black, Dolores Keane, Maura O'Connell, Sharon Shannon) as well as a new singer/songwriter from Cork (Sinead Lohan), a traditional singer (Maighread Ni Dhomhnaill), and Mary Coughlan and Sinead O'Connor. 9 of the tracks are album tracks, 7 were not previously released on albums (although 1 of Frances Black's and all of Mary Black's were released on recent Irish EPs). Sinead O'Connor's track is "Three Babies" from "I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got". But this 'failing' notwithstanding, it is still an amazing album and very enjoyable. Also, thus far she has not been involved with any of the album mini-tours in Ireland, including the recent & upcoming gigs at The Point. Originally I got the impression from someone with Dara/Dolphin that this was because of her own album tour commitments, but imagine now it is as well because of the rest of her life too. A WOMAN'S HEART 2 / Dara (DARA CD 063) 1994 Track Listing: Sinead Lohan - "Sailing By" (Sinead Lohan) Frances Black - "Talk To Me While I'm Listening" (Nanci Griffith) / TALK TO ME (DARACD 056) Mary Coughlan - "Invisible" (Pete Glenister) / UNCERTAIN PLEASURES (East West 459940346) Mary Black - "Saw You Running" (Thom Moore) / SAW YOU RUNNING (DARA CDS 061) Dolores Keane - "Never Be The Sun" (Donagh Long) / SOLID GROUND DARA CD 065) Sharon Shannon - "Bungee Jumpers" (Shannon/Hutchinson/Hennessy/ Custy/Bridgeman/Connor/Buckley) / OUT THE GAP (ROCDG 14) Maura O'Connell - "Trouble In the Fields" (Nanci Griffith/Rick West) / WESTERN HIGHWAY (Raglan RGCD9) Mary Black, featuring Carl Geraghty - "Don't Explain" - [live] (Herzog/Holiday) / SAW YOU RUNNING (DARA CDS 061) Sinead O'Connor - "Three Babies" (Sinead O'Connor) / I DO NOT WANT WHAT I HAVEN'T GOT (Ensign CDP 321759-2) Dolores Keane - "Solid Ground" (Dougie MacLean) / SOLID GROUND (DARA CD 065) Maighread NiDhomhnaill - "A Mhaithrin Dhileas" (trad.) / GAN DHA PHINGIN SPRE (Gael-Linn CEFCD 152) Frances Black - "Fear Is the Enemy" (Mark E. Nevin) Mary Coughlan - "I Can't Make You Love Me" (M. Reid/A. Shamblin) Sharon Shannon - "Sparky" (Bovell/Carroll/Frazer, arr: Shannon) / OUT THE GAP (ROCDG 14) Maura O'Connell - "Western Highway" (Gerry O'Beirne) / WESTERN HIGHWAY (RGCD 9) Mary Black (with Shane Howard) - "If I Gave My Heart To You" (Jimmy Chi) / SAW YOU RUNNING (DARA CDS 061) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Carolyn Andre Spread Your Music on the Electronic Freeway Chicago, IL / USA Internet: candre@mcs.net CompuServe: 72207,2637 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From mcb@presto.ig.com Mon Jan 16 16:31 PST 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA00388; Mon, 16 Jan 95 16:31:36 PST Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id QAA03934 for jitr-dist; Mon, 16 Jan 1995 16:29:33 -0800 Received: from academ01.mty.itesm.mx (al581906@academ01.mty.itesm.mx [131.178.4.10]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA03931 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 1995 16:29:32 -0800 Received: (from al581906@localhost) by academ01.mty.itesm.mx (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA46666; Mon, 16 Jan 1995 18:29:28 -0600 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 18:29:24 -0600 (CST) From: FEDERICO JAVIER RODRIGUEZ CAVADA Subject: Hello All! To: jitr@presto.ig.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 124 Status: RO Hello world: This is my first post to the list and just wanted to say hello to everybody from Mexico... MAKO... From mcb@presto.ig.com Wed Jan 25 00:45 PST 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA08874; Wed, 25 Jan 95 00:45:54 PST Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id AAA16157 for jitr-dist; Wed, 25 Jan 1995 00:43:28 -0800 Received: from gw.wmich.edu (gw.wmich.edu [141.218.1.100]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA16154 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 1995 00:43:26 -0800 Received: from piglet.cc.wmich.edu (piglet.cc.wmich.edu [141.218.20.105]) by gw.wmich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA26807 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 1995 03:43:24 -0500 Received: from wmich.edu by wmich.edu (PMDF V4.3-10 #5064) id <01HM8ZFPJO3K9JDQVF@wmich.edu>; Wed, 25 Jan 1995 03:43:23 -0400 (EDT) From: X93PODSIAD@wmich.edu Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 03:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: tour news? To: jitr@presto.ig.com Message-Id: <01HM8ZJNPOL09JDQVF@wmich.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Length: 252 Status: RO sorry to post this again but i haven't yet been added to the list(i subscribed over a week ago). anyway could someone let me know about any additional information about the tour? if there is any. thank you and i hope to be back with you soon. -m. From mcb@presto.ig.com Thu Jan 26 08:53 PST 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA11286; Thu, 26 Jan 95 08:53:29 PST Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id IAA08409 for jitr-dist; Thu, 26 Jan 1995 08:47:10 -0800 Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu (remarque.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.152.164]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA08406 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 1995 08:47:09 -0800 Received: from localhost by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id IAA04445; Thu, 26 Jan 1995 08:47:06 -0800 Message-Id: <199501261647.IAA04445@remarque.berkeley.edu> To: jitr@presto.ig.com Reply-To: jitr@presto.ig.com Subject: You Held the Baby While I Wrecked the TV Room Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 08:47:00 -0800 From: Jym Dyer Content-Type: text Content-Length: 758 Status: RO =o= I promise I won't say anything bad about Green Day or Counting Crows (two fine highly original local bands whose corporate rock success and heavy rotation on the airwaves are entirely deserved), if somebody could explain to me just what the heck's going on in the remix of Fire on Babylon. What's that guy singing about? I keep playing it over and over again and I'm concerned that I may be getting brainwashed. =o= For that matter, does anyone know what the English lyrics are talking about? I don't buy the Rastafarian explanation -- it doesn't quite fit. =o= I will point out, though, that if you replace "television" for "Babylon" throughout the song, every single lyric makes perfect sense, and the title conjures up Elvis Presley. <_Jym_> From mcb@presto.ig.com Thu Jan 26 16:19 PST 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA12015; Thu, 26 Jan 95 16:19:05 PST Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id QAA21957 for jitr-dist; Thu, 26 Jan 1995 16:18:16 -0800 Received: from remus.rutgers.edu (root@remus.rutgers.edu [128.6.13.3]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA21954 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 1995 16:18:14 -0800 Received: from [192.67.236.41] (ficara.jvnc.net [192.67.236.41]) by remus.rutgers.edu (8.6.8.1+bestmx/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA19815 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 1995 19:17:58 -0500 Message-Id: <199501270017.TAA19815@remus.rutgers.edu> X-Sender: ficara@remus.rutgers.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 19:28:34 -0500 To: jitr@presto.ig.com From: ficara@acm.org (Ken Ficara) Subject: Re: You Held the Baby While I Wrecked the TV Room Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 665 Status: RO >=o= I will point out, though, that if you replace "television" >for "Babylon" throughout the song, every single lyric makes >perfect sense, and the title conjures up Elvis Presley. "Babylon" is the customary Rastafarian term for western society. I don't see much of a difference between western society and television: both are shallow, both prefer gaudiness to beauty, both reward ignorance and brutality, both prefer that you not think very much. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ken Ficara ficara@acm.org "Go out and buy books while they're still legal!" From mcb@presto.ig.com Fri Jan 27 15:10 PST 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA13132; Fri, 27 Jan 95 15:10:14 PST Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id PAA16438 for jitr-dist; Fri, 27 Jan 1995 15:09:01 -0800 Received: from smtp.utexas.edu (smtp.utexas.edu [128.83.126.2]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA16435 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 1995 15:08:58 -0800 Received: from mail.utexas.edu (mail.utexas.edu [128.83.126.1]) by smtp.utexas.edu (8.6.7/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA23265 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 1995 17:01:08 -0600 Received: from [128.83.204.59] (slip-1-91.ots.utexas.edu [128.83.204.91]) by mail.utexas.edu (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA10701 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 1995 17:00:24 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 17:00:18 -0600 To: jitr@presto.ig.com From: eclark@mail.utexas.edu (Industry) Subject: Re: You Held the Baby While I Wrecked the TV Room Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 740 Status: RO >"Babylon" is the customary Rastafarian term for western society. I don't >see much of a difference between western society and television: both are >shallow, both prefer gaudiness to beauty, both reward ignorance and >brutality, both prefer that you not think very much. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Ken Ficara ficara@acm.org > > "Go out and buy books while they're still legal!" My, aren't you just a little bitter. Lets not make any generalizations about an entire society or an enitire artistic medium. Not all westerners are shollow and not all TV is crap. You just have to look a little harder to find them. -Industry From mcb@presto.ig.com Fri Jan 27 16:08 PST 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA13238; Fri, 27 Jan 95 16:07:57 PST Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id QAA19343 for jitr-dist; Fri, 27 Jan 1995 16:07:57 -0800 Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu (remarque.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.152.164]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA19340 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 1995 16:07:56 -0800 Received: from localhost by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id QAA00689; Fri, 27 Jan 1995 16:07:52 -0800 Message-Id: <199501280007.QAA00689@remarque.berkeley.edu> To: jitr@presto.ig.com Reply-To: jitr@presto.ig.com Subject: Re: You Held the Baby While I Wrecked the TV Room In-Reply-To: Industry's message of "Fri, 27 Jan 1995 17:00:18 CST." Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 16:07:50 -0800 From: Jym Dyer Content-Type: text Content-Length: 578 Status: RO >> "Babylon" is the customary Rastafarian term for western >> society. =o= Not just the Rastafrians. Lots of religions use it in pretty much the same way. > Lets not make any generalizations about an entire society or > an enitire artistic medium. Not all westerners are shollow. > and not all TV is crap. =o= Actually what he said about Western society was mostly about what was *preferred*. And he's certainly spot on. _The_Simpsons_ isn't crap, but the presence of every other TV show indicates a *preference* for brain-dead crap. <_Jym_> TV an artistic medium? From mcb@presto.ig.com Fri Jan 27 18:55 PST 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA13350; Fri, 27 Jan 95 18:55:37 PST Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id SAA25059 for jitr-dist; Fri, 27 Jan 1995 18:55:39 -0800 Received: from remus.rutgers.edu (root@remus.rutgers.edu [128.6.13.3]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA25056 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 1995 18:55:37 -0800 Received: from [192.67.236.41] (ficara.jvnc.net [192.67.236.41]) by remus.rutgers.edu (8.6.8.1+bestmx/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA22759 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 1995 21:55:26 -0500 Message-Id: <199501280255.VAA22759@remus.rutgers.edu> X-Sender: ficara@remus.rutgers.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 22:05:58 -0500 To: jitr@presto.ig.com From: ficara@acm.org (Ken Ficara) Subject: Re: You Held the Baby While I Wrecked the TV Room Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 952 Status: RO >what was *preferred*. And he's certainly spot on. _The_Simpsons_ >isn't crap, but the presence of every other TV show indicates a >*preference* for brain-dead crap. I'm glad SOMEONE read the original post. My point was simply that television, along with most of Western culture (and I'm sure other cultures are like this too, but I'm only familiar with this one) encourages stupidity. Why else would PBS need subsidies while MTV makes millions? "Fire On Babylon" seems, on rereading the lyrics, to more likely be about the Catholic Church (certainly a pillar of western society). It certainly sounds like an apocalyptic vision a la THE FIRE NEXT TIME. Think about it with the monologue that concludes AM I NOT YOUR GIRL in mind. Ken ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ken Ficara ficara@acm.org "Go out and buy books while they're still legal!" From mcb@presto.ig.com Fri Jan 27 18:56 PST 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA13354; Fri, 27 Jan 95 18:56:29 PST Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id SAA25052 for jitr-dist; Fri, 27 Jan 1995 18:54:47 -0800 Received: from remus.rutgers.edu (root@remus.rutgers.edu [128.6.13.3]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA25049 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 1995 18:54:44 -0800 Received: from [192.67.236.41] (ficara.jvnc.net [192.67.236.41]) by remus.rutgers.edu (8.6.8.1+bestmx/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA22680; Fri, 27 Jan 1995 21:54:25 -0500 Message-Id: <199501280254.VAA22680@remus.rutgers.edu> X-Sender: ficara@remus.rutgers.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 22:05:03 -0500 To: eclark@mail.utexas.edu (Industry), jitr@presto.ig.com From: ficara@acm.org (Ken Ficara) Subject: Re: You Held the Baby While I Wrecked the TV Room Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 517 Status: RO >My, aren't you just a little bitter. Lets not make any generalizations >about an entire society or an enitire artistic medium. Not all westerners >are shollow and not all TV is crap. I never said anything about all westerners being shallow, or for that matter all tv being crap. Reread the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ken Ficara ficara@acm.org "Go out and buy books while they're still legal!" From mcb@presto.ig.com Mon Jan 30 18:53 PST 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA16887; Mon, 30 Jan 95 18:53:36 PST Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id SAA25585 for jitr-dist; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 18:38:24 -0800 Received: from orange.cc.utexas.edu (orange.cc.utexas.edu [128.83.145.26]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA25582 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 18:38:21 -0800 Received: from utxvms.cc.utexas.edu by utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (PMDF V4.3-13 #8466) id <01HMGXNS6L0G984IGM@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 20:18:13 -0600 (CST) From: CTROBIN@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 20:18:12 -0600 (CST) Subject: Wide Awake To: jitr@presto.ig.com Message-Id: <01HMGXNT3JCY984IGM@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu> X-Envelope-To: jitr@presto.ig.com X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Length: 285 Status: RO Dont know how well known this is: I found a children's album called Wide Awake, which includes Sinead singing Someday my Prince Will Come. Only 1:10 long. I thought this would be newsworthy because its not listed on those Muse machines under her Compilation stuff. ChrisTopher Robin From mcb@presto.ig.com Mon Jan 30 22:50 PST 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA17268; Mon, 30 Jan 95 22:50:41 PST Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id WAA27344 for jitr-dist; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 22:50:04 -0800 Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu (remarque.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.152.164]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA27330 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 22:50:02 -0800 Received: from localhost by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id WAA13113; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 22:49:47 -0800 Message-Id: <199501310649.WAA13113@remarque.berkeley.edu> To: jitr@presto.ig.com Reply-To: jitr@presto.ig.com Subject: Re: Wide Awake In-Reply-To: CTROBIN@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu's message of "Mon, 30 Jan 1995 20:18:12 CST." <01HMGXNT3JCY984IGM@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 22:49:46 -0800 From: Jym Dyer Content-Type: text Content-Length: 271 Status: RO =o= Jeepers, what's a Muse machine? =o= I never thought of _Wide_Awake_ as a children's album, but I guess it could be. Basically it's a bunch of Disney tunes done by modern serious musicians. It's *much* better than that pop thing, _Mad_About_the_Mouse_. <_Jym_> From mcb@presto.ig.com Mon Jan 30 23:07 PST 1995 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by postmodern.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4/GCA-Makitso-941228-mcb1) id AA17301; Mon, 30 Jan 95 23:07:10 PST Received: (from root@localhost) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id XAA27465 for jitr-dist; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 23:06:14 -0800 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com (mail04.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.53]) by presto.ig.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA27462 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 23:06:12 -0800 Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA282925735; Tue, 31 Jan 1995 02:02:15 -0500 From: SnailShell@aol.com Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 02:02:15 -0500 Message-Id: <950131020206_5773725@aol.com> To: jitr@presto.ig.com Subject: Sarah McLachlan Tour (OFF TOPIC) Content-Type: text Content-Length: 809 Status: RO Howdy people, I know this is not even remotely related to Sinead, but does anyone know when/if Sarah McLachlan will roll through Pheonix (or any other town in Arizona). I am seeing her on March 2 in San Francisco, but a friend in AZ is asking me. Please mail directly to me to spare the rest of the list from my petty, useless life. :) -Ziad *------------------* Ziad O. Ezzat * San Jose State University | | snailshell@aol.com * zezzat@sparta.sjsu.edu |------------------| bassist * singer * songwriter * swell guy | * * * | U S O U T O F N O R T H A M E R I C A |------------------| "Loyalty to petrified opinion never yet | | broke a chain or freed a human soul" *------------------* -- S a m u e l C l e m e n s