From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sat Jul 2 16:11:49 1994 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id QAA08377; Sat, 2 Jul 1994 16:11:48 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA18051; Sat, 2 Jul 94 16:03:17 -0700 Received: from jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA18047; Sat, 2 Jul 94 16:03:10 -0700 Received: from JHUVMS.HCF.JHU.EDU by JHUVMS.HCF.JHU.EDU (PMDF V4.2-11 #5488) id <01HE8OJEPK8M96X8B6@JHUVMS.HCF.JHU.EDU>; Sat, 2 Jul 1994 19:03:05 EDT Date: Sat, 02 Jul 1994 19:03:05 -0400 (EDT) From: MUSE@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu Subject: new album/music etc. To: jitr@presto.ig.com Message-Id: <01HE8OJEPK8O96X8B6@JHUVMS.HCF.JHU.EDU> X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: OR As far as the new album goes, I had posted some lyrics to some new songs of hers that she had been singing in public. It's a good assumption that one of those (maybe slightly modified by now) would appear on a new record. That post with the lyrics to those two songs ought to be in the quarterly compiled archive by now (sometime in Feb or Mar, I think). She's also out now on yet someone else's album. MANU DIBANGO is the artist; can't remember the title right now. She sings backup on four songs, she's most prominent in Homeless (a cover of the Paul Simon song). There's also a reworking of Biko featuring Mr. G. also. It's all pretty dancy world- beat stuff -- quite lovely actually. Someone brought up other artists making reference to O'Connor (Wild Colonials for one). Here's another -- Insane Jane on a song called Empress of Pop. Mind you they really don't care for her one bit. JOE -- Somebetterleftunnamedscientist From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Jul 4 08:56:57 1994 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id IAA17809; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 08:56:56 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA01798; Mon, 4 Jul 94 08:44:43 -0700 Received: from [131.211.154.15] by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA01794; Mon, 4 Jul 94 08:44:39 -0700 Received: from med.ruu.nl by med.ruu.nl (PMDF V4.2-13 #3742) id <01HEBF6D8H4S8X0ILL@med.ruu.nl>; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 17:45:12 +0200 Date: Mon, 04 Jul 1994 17:45:12 +0200 From: C.C.vanOostenDeBoer@med.ruu.nl Subject: Evan Walsh's letter To: jitr@presto.ig.com Message-Id: <01HEBF6D8H4U8X0ILL@med.ruu.nl> Organization: Medical Faculty, Utrecht University, The Netherlands X-Envelope-To: jitr@presto.ig.com X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: OR Hi, can someone mail me Evan's letter that everybody liked so much? I accidently deleted it before reading it. I know, I'm a fool ! :) Caroline vanoosten@med.ruu.nl From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Jul 5 07:39:36 1994 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id HAA24523; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 07:39:34 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA10206; Tue, 5 Jul 94 07:32:31 -0700 Received: from mail02.prod.aol.net by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA10202; Tue, 5 Jul 94 07:32:27 -0700 Received: by mail02.prod.aol.net (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA15717; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 10:32:26 -0400 From: SnailShell@aol.com X-Mailer: America Online Mailer Sender: "SnailShell" Message-Id: <9407012018.tn272081@aol.com> To: jitr@presto.ig.com Date: Fri, 01 Jul 94 20:18:03 EDT Subject: NAKED SINEAD! Status: OR Hey folks, I just heard (two minutes ago) on the radio (here in San Francisco) that the style of Sinead's new album will be similar to that of The Lion 'n' the Cobra, and that she will appear naked on the album cover! Reactions anybody? I just have to say, "Right on!" -Z /----------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Ziad O. Ezzat | V e r y S m a l l R o c k s | | SnailShell@aol.com | For band and fan club information write to: | | San Jose State Univ | V S R f a n c l u b @ a o l . c o m | |----------------------------------------------------------------------| | "Do you waaaant to come back to my place?.....bouncy, bouncy!" | | --A Hungarian Tourist | \----------------------------------------------------------------------/ From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Jul 5 09:50:24 1994 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id JAA25911; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 09:50:23 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA11661; Tue, 5 Jul 94 09:42:38 -0700 Received: from whistler.sfu.ca by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA11656; Tue, 5 Jul 94 09:42:32 -0700 Received: from [142.58.196.31] (mpx8522a.educ.sfu.ca [142.58.196.31]) by whistler.sfu.ca with SMTP (8.6.8/SFU-2.6H) id JAA15859 for (from Kevin_Davison@sfu.ca); Tue, 5 Jul 1994 09:42:24 -0700 Date: Tue, 5 Jul 1994 09:42:24 -0700 Message-Id: <199407051642.JAA15859@whistler.sfu.ca> Sender: kdavison@sfu.ca To: jitr@presto.ig.com From: Kevin_Davison@sfu.ca Subject: Re: NAKED SINEAD! Status: OR >Hey folks, > >I just heard (two minutes ago) on the radio (here in San Francisco) that the >style of Sinead's new album will be similar to that of The Lion 'n' the >Cobra, and that she will appear naked on the album cover! > >Reactions anybody? I just have to say, "Right on!" > Yes! I've always wanted to see her... "go back to her roots." I can't say I've not enjoyed the intimate "I do not want..." or the jazzy stuff. It's just that sometimes I think she's lost her "edge" or maybe she shifted it toward political and public acts and away from her music itself. This is great news! I can't wait to hear a sample. Does anyone know info about a single release? September 12 is aproaching quickly. Sinead has been on many other artist's albums lately. Does anyone have any info about other artists/producers who may appear/work with her on this new album? Kevin From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Jul 5 11:57:58 1994 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id LAA27822; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 11:57:56 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA14067; Tue, 5 Jul 94 11:50:57 -0700 Received: from NOC4.DCCS.UPENN.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA14063; Tue, 5 Jul 94 11:50:53 -0700 Received: from DOLPHIN.UPENN.EDU by noc4.dccs.upenn.edu id AA16443; Tue, 5 Jul 94 14:50:49 -0400 Received: by dolphin.upenn.edu id AA19687; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 14:50:37 -0400 From: foster@dolphin.upenn.edu (Christopher Foster) Posted-Date: Tue, 5 Jul 1994 14:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <9407051850.AA19687@dolphin.upenn.edu> Subject: Naked Sinead To: jitr@presto.ig.com Date: Tue, 5 Jul 1994 14:50:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn2.7] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 489 Status: OR >Hey folks, > >I just heard (two minutes ago) on the radio (here in San Francisco) that the >style of Sinead's new album will be similar to that of The Lion 'n' the >Cobra, and that she will appear naked on the album cover! Ummm! Didn't PJ Harvey already do this??? Didn't Prince already do this??? Didn't Adam Clayton (U2) already do this??? I certainly hope like the aforementioned artists that Sinead's next work will certainly be noteworthy besides the nudity. My $0.02 Chris From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Jul 5 12:58:06 1994 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id MAA28369; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 12:58:04 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA14830; Tue, 5 Jul 94 12:50:56 -0700 Received: from jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA14826; Tue, 5 Jul 94 12:50:53 -0700 Received: from JHUVMS.HCF.JHU.EDU by JHUVMS.HCF.JHU.EDU (PMDF V4.3-7 #5488) id <01HECP13C9K8HTS0H4@JHUVMS.HCF.JHU.EDU>; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 15:40:44 EDT Date: Tue, 05 Jul 1994 15:40:44 -0400 (EDT) From: MUSE@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu Subject: the new album cover To: jitr@presto.ig.com Message-Id: <01HECP13CJ7EHTS0H4@JHUVMS.HCF.JHU.EDU> X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: OR Melody Maker originally ran the story on the album cover. They've since retracted that statement after bewing notified by Sinead herself to the contrary. Apparently, a "little scumbag" (from Melody Makeer??) was over at her house, saw some pictures, assumed too much, and leaked (sold?) the story. According to Sinead, no cover art has been decided. As far as the music is concerned-- there will be 10 originals and 3 cover songs. JOE MUSE@JHUVMS.HCF.JHU.EDU PS -- get yer head out the gutter please! From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Jul 5 14:53:49 1994 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id OAA29666; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 14:53:47 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA01798; Mon, 4 Jul 94 08:44:43 -0700 Received: from [131.211.154.15] by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA01794; Mon, 4 Jul 94 08:44:39 -0700 Received: from med.ruu.nl by med.ruu.nl (PMDF V4.2-13 #3742) id <01HEBF6D8H4S8X0ILL@med.ruu.nl>; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 17:45:12 +0200 Date: Mon, 04 Jul 1994 17:45:12 +0200 From: C.C.vanOostenDeBoer@med.ruu.nl Subject: Evan Walsh's letter To: jitr@presto.ig.com Message-Id: <01HEBF6D8H4U8X0ILL@med.ruu.nl> Organization: Medical Faculty, Utrecht University, The Netherlands X-Envelope-To: jitr@presto.ig.com X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: OR Hi, can someone mail me Evan's letter that everybody liked so much? I accidently deleted it before reading it. I know, I'm a fool ! :) Caroline vanoosten@med.ruu.nl From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Jul 5 23:25:40 1994 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id XAA04545; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 23:25:39 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA21478; Tue, 5 Jul 94 23:15:55 -0700 Received: from RUUMF5.med.ruu.nl by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA21474; Tue, 5 Jul 94 23:15:52 -0700 Received: from med.ruu.nl by med.ruu.nl (PMDF V4.2-13 #3742) id <01HEDNUHFH188WXQ2P@med.ruu.nl>; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 08:16:32 +0200 Date: Wed, 06 Jul 1994 08:16:32 +0200 From: C.C.vanOostenDeBoer@med.ruu.nl Subject: Sinead naked denied To: jitr@presto.ig.com Message-Id: <01HEDNUHFH1A8WXQ2P@med.ruu.nl> Organization: Medical Faculty, Utrecht University, The Netherlands X-Envelope-To: jitr@presto.ig.com X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: OR Hi, Hot Press, Ireland's music paper,in this week's issue state that the rumours are unfounded. (She will thus not appear naked... but who knows?) She's working with Phil Coulter and has also worked with Tim Simenon (Bomb the Bass), who had previously worked with her on In the Name of the Father. The album was recorded in Dublin and Amsterdam. (Simenon was working in Amsterdam on his own record.) Caroline From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Jul 6 08:57:51 1994 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id IAA07348; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 08:57:48 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA26020; Wed, 6 Jul 94 08:50:27 -0700 Received: from mail02.prod.aol.net by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA26016; Wed, 6 Jul 94 08:50:25 -0700 Received: by mail02.prod.aol.net (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA07923; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 11:50:23 -0400 From: SnailShell@aol.com X-Mailer: America Online Mailer Sender: "SnailShell" Message-Id: <9407061150.tn52645@aol.com> To: jitr@presto.ig.com Date: Wed, 06 Jul 94 11:50:22 EDT Subject: Naked Sinead Revisited Status: OR Hey all, today's commentary is numbered for your reading enjoyment: 1. Sorry if I got anyone out of joint by announcing that I heard Sinead is/maybe gonna be naked on the cover of "Universal Mother", but I didn't make it up myself or anything! I'm just reporting what I heard on the radio on Friday. Any Frisco people who heard the "Modern Rock Report" on Live 105 friday can back me up. Besides, a guy can dream can't he? :) 2. Does anyone know what those three cover songs will be on the new album? 3. Has anybody (besides me) read "So Different: The Unauthorized Biography of Sinead O'Connor"? I'm curious to know what you thought of it (especially that *gorgeous* picture of her at 19 with the short black hair). Man, I gotta find me an Irish girl. 4. Hey Steve, next time you go out stalking Sinead, gimme a call, I'll come with you. ;) 6. "There is NO rule six!" -Z "Wake up and smell the cat food in your bank account"--TMBG /----------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Ziad O. Ezzat | V e r y S m a l l R o c k s | | SnailShell@aol.com | For band and fan club information write to: | | San Jose State Univ | V S R f a n c l u b @ a o l . c o m | |----------------------------------------------------------------------| | "Do you waaaant to come back to my place?.....bouncy, bouncy!" | | --A Hungarian Tourist | \----------------------------------------------------------------------/ From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Jul 6 17:12:13 1994 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id RAA12989; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 17:12:11 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA03330; Wed, 6 Jul 94 17:02:45 -0700 Received: from eden-backend.rutgers.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA03326; Wed, 6 Jul 94 17:02:42 -0700 Received: from Mac-mailer (hill009-2.rutgers.edu [128.6.13.49]) by eden-backend.rutgers.edu (8.6.8.1+bestmx/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA00865 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 20:02:40 -0400 From: David Byrne Message-Id: <199407070002.UAA00865@eden-backend.rutgers.edu> Date: Wed, 06 Jul 94 20:02:41 To: jitr@presto.ig.com Subject: Titles... Status: OR Hey All, What is the title of Sinead's new CD? Is it Universal Mother? Dave From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Jul 7 07:27:24 1994 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id HAA18097; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 07:27:22 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA09326; Thu, 7 Jul 94 07:20:21 -0700 Received: from mac.ripon.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA09322; Thu, 7 Jul 94 07:20:17 -0700 Message-Id: <9407071420.AA09322@presto.ig.com> Date: 7 Jul 1994 09:18:17 U From: "ZastrowP" Subject: Backwards Masking To: "Sinead List" Status: OR I was listening to my "Emperor's New Clothes" CD single last night, and I realized one of the remixes of "I Am Stretched On Your Grave" has some backwards masking at the beginning of it. I'm at work now, so I don't know which one (Apple Brightness Mix, perhaps?), but does anyone know what she is saying? From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Jul 7 10:32:51 1994 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id KAA19495; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 10:32:49 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA11983; Thu, 7 Jul 94 10:25:54 -0700 Received: from SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA11977; Thu, 7 Jul 94 10:25:49 -0700 Message-Id: <9407071725.AA11977@presto.ig.com> Received: from SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU by SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R1) with BSMTP id 3702; Thu, 07 Jul 94 12:26:06 CST Date: Thu, 7 Jul 94 12:26:05 CST From: "Timothy S. Brannan" To: jump-in-the-river@presto.ig.com Subject: Backwards Status: OR The backward masking is on the "Apple Brightness Mix" of IaSoYG. But I have had no success in deciphering it.... Tim. /-----------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Timothy S. Brannan | BitNet : tbrannan @ siucvmb | | Southern Illinois University | Internet: tbrannan @ siucvmb.siu.edu | | Carbondale, Il 62901 | Aol : TBrannan @ Aol.Com | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "Get the hell out of my class before you infect someone with your | | sickness. You smell of death!" - Mr. Buzzcut | \-----------------------------------------------------------------------/ From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Jul 7 18:23:50 1994 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id SAA24891; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 18:23:46 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA18009; Thu, 7 Jul 94 18:16:46 -0700 Received: from freenet.carleton.ca by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA18005; Thu, 7 Jul 94 18:16:43 -0700 Received: from localhost (ac151@localhost) by freenet.carleton.ca (8.6.4/8.6.4) id VAA01416; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 21:16:43 -0400 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 21:16:43 -0400 Message-Id: <199407080116.VAA01416@freenet.carleton.ca> From: ac151@freenet.carleton.ca (David Clarke) To: jump-in-the-river@presto.ig.com Subject: Re: Backwards Reply-To: ac151@freenet.carleton.ca Status: OR > >The backward masking is on the "Apple Brightness Mix" of IaSoYG. >But I have had no success in deciphering it.... Well, I just sampled the thing, put it into the computer and time reversed it ... but to no avail. If this thing is a simple backward mask, then the original words are not spoken in english (or french or german) - maybe chinese ? -- ------------------------------- /''' -------------------------------- David Clarke c-00 davec@rflab.ee.ubc.ca ac151@Freenet.carleton.ca > clarkec@sfu.ca dacl@mtsa.ubc.ca ------------------------------- - -------------------------------- From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Jul 7 18:51:32 1994 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id SAA25190; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 18:51:31 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA18168; Thu, 7 Jul 94 18:44:52 -0700 Received: from PO5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA18164; Thu, 7 Jul 94 18:44:50 -0700 Received: (from postman@localhost) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.7/8.6.6) id VAA05423; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 21:44:48 -0400 Received: via switchmail; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 21:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pcs16.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 21:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pcs16.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 21:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mms.4.170.Jan.10.1994.08.16.31.sun4c.411.MacMail.5.2.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.pcs16.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.pcs16.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 21:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 21:42:57 -0400 (EDT) From: David James Burgbacher To: "Sinead List" , "ZastrowP" Subject: Re: Backwards Masking Cc: In-Reply-To: <9407071420.AA09322@presto.ig.com> Status: OR Excerpts from mail.sinead: 7-Jul-94 Backwards Masking by "ZastrowP"@mac.ripon.edu > I was listening to my "Emperor's New Clothes" CD single last night, and I > realized one of the remixes of "I Am Stretched On Your Grave" has some > backwards masking at the beginning of it. I'm at work now, so I don't know > which one (Apple Brightness Mix, perhaps?), but does anyone know what she is > saying? Mystery Solved!! It's not Sinead speaking. It's a sample from the TV show "Twin Peaks." The line is spoken by Laura Palmer during a dream sequence in which some of the characters talk strangely. She says "I feel like I know her, but sometimes my arms bend back." This is a clue to the circumstances involving her murder, which was the focal point of the show. I've been told (though I cannot verify) that to achieve this bizarre sound David Lynch had the actors speak each word of their lines backwards. He then flipped the recording and played it forwards. Some friends of mine have tried it with their computers; it sounds pretty cool! Dave P.S. It is the Applebrightness mix.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The critical question is who controls David J. Burgbacher the technology? If we jump in and grab 5529 Ellsworth Ave. #5 it for ourselves, it can serve us. If Pittsburgh, PA 15232-1826 we sit back and let it be fed to us, then (412) 621-3215 it will be in someone else's hands." --Peter Gabriel ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Jul 7 23:17:19 1994 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id XAA27756; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 23:17:17 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA19856; Thu, 7 Jul 94 23:10:49 -0700 Received: from bos2a.delphi.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA19852; Thu, 7 Jul 94 23:10:45 -0700 Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.3-7 #6563) id <01HEG3KHZHHM9GVDAX@delphi.com>; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 02:10:39 EDT Date: Fri, 08 Jul 1994 02:10:39 -0400 (EDT) From: WEEVIL@delphi.com Subject: I WANT YOUR (HANDS ON ME) To: jump-in-the-river@presto.ig.com Message-Id: <01HEG3KHZHHO9GVDAX@delphi.com> X-Vms-To: IN%"jump-in-the-river@presto.ig.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: OR I was wondering if anyone has the UK limited 12" or UK promo of the limited 12" for "I Want Your (Hands On Me)"? The call-number is ENYXR 613 and it includes the mixes: "knee-trembler mix" and "hickey on me neck mix". Also, does anyone have the GERMAN dj-only (mix club) 12" which has the mix of "Nothing Compares 2 U" on it? If so, would you be interested in selling any of them? [Christopher Miller] weevil@delphi.com From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sat Jul 9 19:56:22 1994 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id TAA16962; Sat, 9 Jul 1994 19:56:20 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA10489; Sat, 9 Jul 94 19:47:02 -0700 Received: from ais1se.usc.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA10485; Sat, 9 Jul 94 19:46:53 -0700 Received: from AIS1.usc.edu by AIS1.usc.edu; 09 Jul 94 19:45:51 PST Date: Sat, 09 Jul 94 19:45:48 PST From: "B.HEROD" Subject: So Different To: Message-Id: <13070994.23479977@AIS1.usc.edu> Status: OR Well, I read "So Different", by Dermott Hayes, I bought it in a Tower Records here in Los Angeles. While I found out some interesting things about Sinead (as well as some *cool* pictures, she does look better with hair, for those of you who haven't seen a picture of her with it). I wonder, however, how necessary it is to have a book about someone whose career in music was limited to two albums. One normally would expect to see one of these unauthorized biographies to turn up with an artist whose catalog is a bit larger than this. I am not complaining about this, it's just that as a result of this the book seemed to be big on pictures and sort of short on text; the content seemed to be spread a little thin at times. But I know of no other books about Sinead, and I think it was worth the money, if only for the cool pictures inside. I am not a ravenous fanatic of Sinead, but I do like her music, and she does seem to stand for some of the same things that I do, so that is why I bought it. I would recommend it to anybody else who wants to know more about her. Bob Herod ------- From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Jul 11 19:17:31 1994 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id TAA06251; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 19:17:30 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA03851; Mon, 11 Jul 94 19:04:54 -0700 Received: from eden-backend.rutgers.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA03847; Mon, 11 Jul 94 19:04:51 -0700 Received: from Mac-mailer (hill009-34.rutgers.edu [128.6.13.81]) by eden-backend.rutgers.edu (8.6.8.1+bestmx/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA10786; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 22:04:46 -0400 From: David Byrne Message-Id: <199407120204.WAA10786@eden-backend.rutgers.edu> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 94 22:04:46 To: "B.HEROD" Subject: Re: So Different Cc: jitr@presto.ig.com Status: OR Hey All, So Different was released, b/c Sinead was the topic of the town.Everybody had an opinion of her, thus marketing moved in & books, photos, interviews were unignorable. THERE IS AT LEAST ONE OTHER SINEAD BOOK OUT THERE!! I posted this last April or May. It's titled "Sinead: Her Life & Her Music" by Jimmy Gutterman. I bought the english version through Encore Books, I found a copy of it in Germany in german, then I hunted the english version down. Good luck searching & if you want more info like what pub. co et al, just let me know. Dave From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Jul 11 22:18:14 1994 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id WAA07581; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 22:18:12 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA04957; Mon, 11 Jul 94 22:11:33 -0700 Received: from erasure-sl.cc.emory.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA04953; Mon, 11 Jul 94 22:11:27 -0700 Received: from hal9000 by erasure-sl.cc.emory.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA00815; Tue, 12 Jul 94 01:10:16 -0400 From: Jeremy Corry Message-Id: <9407120510.AA00815@erasure-sl.cc.emory.edu> Received: by hal9000 (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA00332; Tue, 12 Jul 94 01:10:15 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 94 01:10:15 -0400 Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.100) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.100) To: jitr@presto.ig.com Subject: Sinead on TV in US Status: OR Stuart just saw an announcement in rec.music.misc, which should be of great interest to many on JITR. There is a new program series on A&E, called In Concert. It is like ABC version of the same name, but longer. It will be on for 2hrs. on Sept 1st. Sinead and a few others will be featured. The first airing will be at 9pm, and it will be repeated at 1am. I do not know if these are Eastern or Western times, or anywhere in between, and I don't know what this will mean for those of you out there without typical US cable TV service. If you have some access to A&E, look for Sinead! Jeremy I was going to include one of my Trent Reznor .sig quotes here, but he recently said something nasty about Sinead, so I'll refrain. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Jul 11 23:50:59 1994 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id XAA08344; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 23:50:56 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA05534; Mon, 11 Jul 94 23:44:40 -0700 Received: from remarque.Berkeley.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA05530; Mon, 11 Jul 94 23:44:38 -0700 Received: by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id XAA08286; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 23:44:31 -0700 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 23:44:31 -0700 From: mcb@remarque.berkeley.edu (Michael C. Berch) Message-Id: <199407120644.XAA08286@remarque.berkeley.edu> To: jitr@presto.ig.com Subject: Re: Sinead on TV in US Status: OR Jeremy Corry writes: > I was going to include one of my Trent Reznor .sig quotes here, but > he recently said something nasty about Sinead, so I'll refrain. Hmmm... *do* tell us about it. I've always been a NIN fan, but agree that Trent Reznor rarely has anything *nice* to say about anybody... -- Michael C. Berch mcb@postmodern.com / mcb@remarque.berkeley.edu From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Jul 12 13:29:10 1994 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id NAA14095; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 13:29:08 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA13783; Tue, 12 Jul 94 13:21:00 -0700 Received: from uhunix4.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA13765; Tue, 12 Jul 94 13:20:35 -0700 Received: from (uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu) by uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (4.1/Sun690) id AA01722; Tue, 12 Jul 94 10:18:52 HST Received: by (4.1/uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu) id AA13085; Tue, 12 Jul 94 10:20:22 HST Date: Tue, 12 Jul 94 10:20:21 HST From: BLAcK ANGeLS To: jitr@presto.ig.com Subject: Chieftains and Friends/Van Morrison tributes Message-Id: Status: OR If this has already appeared on JITR, please blame my short-term memory... Sinead will play alongside the Chieftains on their next album, Chieftains and Friends. The album also sports Sting singing in Gaelic (at least according to alt.fan.sting) as well as appearances by others -- Elvis Costello the only other name I remember off the top of my head. Also previously mentioned: Sinead will contribute a track to a Van Morrison tribute album, No Prima Donna. ************************************************************************* "My goal is to find a cure for irony and make a fool out of God" -- The Waitresses Greg Bueno bueno@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu ************************************************************************* From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Jul 13 19:56:34 1994 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id TAA01030; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 19:56:33 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA06868; Wed, 13 Jul 94 19:47:40 -0700 Received: from erasure-sl.cc.emory.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA06864; Wed, 13 Jul 94 19:47:34 -0700 Received: from hal9000 by erasure-sl.cc.emory.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA00749; Wed, 13 Jul 94 22:46:16 -0400 From: Jeremy Corry Message-Id: <9407140246.AA00749@erasure-sl.cc.emory.edu> Received: by hal9000 (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA00262; Wed, 13 Jul 94 22:46:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 94 22:46:16 -0400 Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.100) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.100) To: jitr@presto.ig.com Subject: Reznor on Sinead; Songs we could have heard... Status: OR REZNOR ON SINEAD: I was asked about Trent Reznor's comment about Sinead. You can see it for yourself, if you like, by checking out the new magazine AXCESS. It is a cool music and computer culture mag, like Mondo 2000, only accessible. >From Vol II No 2 page 63: Trent was asked about Tori Amos: "I really liked her first album, which is not the kind of thing I'd normally listen to. Someone had given it to me and said that it sounded like Sinead O'Connor. I fucking can't stand Sinead O'Connor, so I ignored it..." SONGS WE COULD HAVE HEARD: Today, our megacommercial alternative station 99X played the first single from Jah Wobble's new album. If I recall correctly, it was a rather minimal, vocal- heavy song. The lead vocals were sung by Dolores O'Riordan. IMHO the song was written with Sinead specifically in mind for the vocals. Sung by Dolores, it was an okay song, better than most on the radio, but not a very strong composition. She was doing her usual Sinead copied/inspired/imitated style. I felt she sang it like it was a paid job, rather than something she really had her heart in. She didn't pull me into the song or make me feel any emotions. I was trying to imagine Sinead singing it, and I felt that she really could have taken the sparse song, and embellished it with her vocal and emotional intensity to make it a very arresting song. Wishfully thinking, Jeremy "Racing turtles, the grapefruit is winning." Tori Amos From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Jul 14 01:03:25 1994 Return-Path: Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by mail2.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id BAA29936; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 01:03:18 -0700 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id BAA03239; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 01:02:51 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA09243; Thu, 14 Jul 94 00:55:34 -0700 Received: from garnet.Berkeley.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA09239; Thu, 14 Jul 94 00:55:31 -0700 Received: by garnet.berkeley.edu (8.6.8/1.33r) id AAA13581; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 00:54:14 -0700 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 1994 00:54:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Jack B Huynh Subject: Re: Reznor on Sinead; Songs we could have heard... To: Jeremy Corry Cc: jitr@presto.ig.com In-Reply-To: <9407140246.AA00749@erasure-sl.cc.emory.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Status: Status: OR Hi everyone, anyone interested in creating a home page for sinead? I love to do it, but i have my hands full at the moment with the cocteau twins home page. However, if someone would like to give me a hand, i wouldn't mind doing a page for good old lovable sinead. jack b huynh jhuy@garnet.berkeley.edu -Cocteau Twins Home Page- http://garnet.berkeley.edu:8080/ From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Jul 14 11:29:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by mail.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id LAA29560; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 11:29:35 -0700 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id LAA07149; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 11:28:46 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA17871; Thu, 14 Jul 94 11:21:23 -0700 Received: from vm.stlawu.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA17860; Thu, 14 Jul 94 11:21:01 -0700 Received: from vm.stlawu.edu by vm.stlawu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3633; Thu, 14 Jul 94 14:21:28 EDT Received: from SLUMUS by vm.stlawu.edu (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 4547; Thu, 14 Jul 94 14:21:27 EDT Message-Id: <14JUL94.15505296.0017.MUSIC@SLUMUS> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 94 14:21:24 EDT From: "Fisher, Carlton D." To: Subject: a greeting and whatever comes to mind Status: OR Hello!!!! I am new to the list and feel that I need to make a posting to announce myself so-- here I am. I seem to have walked into a discussion of NIN's Sinead bashing remark and am rather surprised to see Tori Amos being a part of it. It seems rather strange that Reznor actually likes _Little Earthquakes_ considering that it is not even close to his style. (By the way, I find Tori to be alot closer to Kate Bush in style than to Sinead.) I was surprised to see him guest vocaling on _Under the Pink_ ("Past the Mission"). While I am very fond of both artists (Amos and Reznor) I never think of the two as being anything alike. Maybe I just listen to them both with a different ear. I know that I am in a different mood when I am listening to Nine Inch Nails than when I am listening to Tori Amos. On the new Erasure album-- it's rather different from their normal style isn't it. Somehow the songs seem to be alot deeper than what is customary for them (I'm thinking of "Sometimes" and "It Dosen't Have to Be"). I really like the new style, but I'm not sure if I prefer it to the old one. I read an article where Vince Clarke mentioned that they recorded the vocals first and then did the instrumentation, which is the reverse of their normal recording style. He also said that they are seriously writing for another album that they hope to release by the end of the year. That's quite a change considering the gap between _ABBA-esque_ and _I Say, I Say, I Say_(where did they ever get that name?). Has anyone heard the song "Honey" by Tori Amos? It's on the maxi-single for "Cornflake Girl". It's a really dark song and very beautiful (of course isn't all her music beautiful and dark?). Here's a sample lyric-- "And you know I could leave your world If she were the better girl. So when we died I tried to bribe The undertaker. Still not sure what you're doing Or your reasons. Your just do your stuff honey" It's really a wonderful song and if you like Tori then I suggest that you try to find it (the other songs on the maxi-single are "Sister Janet" and "Daisy Dead Petal") Well, I guess that's about it. Signing off for now, Carlton Fisher "Why do we crucify ourselves?"- Tori Amos From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Jul 14 15:04:50 1994 Return-Path: Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by netcom.com (8.6.8.1/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id OAA27439; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 14:56:26 -0700 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id OAA09371; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 14:52:55 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA20579; Thu, 14 Jul 94 14:44:33 -0700 Received: from zcias1.ziff.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA20575; Thu, 14 Jul 94 14:44:28 -0700 Received: from DN-ARNOR by zcias1.ziff.com (PMDF V4.3-7 #6906) id <01HEPE3PZEG0000JOE@zcias1.ziff.com>; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 17:44:16 EDT Received: from arnor.zis.ziff.com by arnor.zis.ziff.com (PMDF V4.2-13 #3828) id <01HEPDTO1VK8BMAAYR@arnor.zis.ziff.com>; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 17:44:05 EDT Date: Thu, 14 Jul 1994 17:44:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Warren Subject: a greeting and whatever comes to mind To: jump-in-the-river@presto.ig.com Message-Id: <01HEPDTO1VKABMAAYR@arnor.zis.ziff.com> X-Vms-To: IN%"jump-in-the-river@presto.ig.com" X-Vms-Cc: I_SW Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: OR Sorry to post this to the list. I tried to reach Carlton directly, but I got a message saying the address was wrong. But maybe some other people here have similar interests as well. I was so surprised by your eclectic tastes. I also like Tori Amos, NIN and Sinead (+ a whole bunch more), but I never seem to find other people who like them AND Erasure (!). Regarding the new Erasure album: >I really like the new style, but I'm not sure if I prefer it to >the old one. I read an article where Vince Clarke mentioned that they >recorded the vocals first and then did the instrumentation, which is >the reverse of their normal recording style. He also said that they >are seriously writing for another album that they hope to release by >the end of the year. That's quite a change considering the gap between >_ABBA-esque_ and _I Say, I Say, I Say_(where did they ever get that >name?). I don't like the new album much at all. I do enjoy "Because You're So Sweet," "Miracle," "Blues Away" and "Run To The Sun," but that's about it. The name of the album comes from Vaudeville. When two men were telling jokes, one would often start the dialogue with a "catch phrase" like "Hello, hello, hello" or "I say, I say, I say." Andy is quoted in interviews as saying that the title has nothing to do with the album's content. They just thought it was funny. -Sam From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Jul 14 19:44:45 1994 Return-Path: Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by mail2.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id TAA28841; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 19:44:44 -0700 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id TAA11985; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 19:43:34 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA24443; Thu, 14 Jul 94 19:35:42 -0700 Received: from remarque.Berkeley.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA24439; Thu, 14 Jul 94 19:35:40 -0700 Received: from localhost by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id TAA11899; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 19:35:37 -0700 Message-Id: <199407150235.TAA11899@remarque.berkeley.edu> To: jump-in-the-river@presto.ig.com (Hop in the Brook) Reply-To: jump-in-the-river@presto.ig.com Subject: Re: a greeting and whatever comes to mind In-Reply-To: Carlton D Fisher's message of "Thu, 14 Jul 1994 14:21:24 EDT." <14JUL94.15505296.0017.MUSIC@SLUMUS> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 1994 19:35:36 -0700 From: Jym Dyer Status: OR =o= Heck, I like Sinead, Tori Amos, and Erasure. But NIN works a lot better with Adrian Sherwood at the board. <_Jym_> From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Jul 14 23:43:59 1994 Return-Path: Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by mail.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id XAA14943; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 23:43:54 -0700 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id XAA13306; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 23:43:08 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA25863; Thu, 14 Jul 94 23:34:42 -0700 Received: from MIT.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA25859; Thu, 14 Jul 94 23:34:39 -0700 Received: from SCC-MAC-1.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA17463; Fri, 15 Jul 94 02:34:25 EDT Date: Fri, 15 Jul 94 02:34:25 EDT Message-Id: <9407150634.AA17463@MIT.EDU> Sender: bbreak@po5.mit.edu To: jump-in-the-river@presto.ig.com From: bbreak@mit.edu Subject: Re: a greeting and whatever comes to mind Status: OR *-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-* *-=-*-=- W W A RRR N N I N N GGG ! *-=-* *-=-*-=- W W W A A R R NN N I NN N G G ! *-=-* *-=-*-=- W W W AAAAA RRR N N N I N N N G ! *-=-* *-=-*-=- WW WW A A R R N NN I N NN G GG *-=-* *-=-*-=- W W A A R R N N I N N GGGG ! *-=-* *-=-*-=- *-=-* *-=-*-=- THE FOLLOWING CONTAINS CELEBRITY REPORTS WHICH *-=-* *-=-*-=- ARE PROBABLY UNKIND&SALACIOUS RUMORS, SPREAD *-=-* *-=-*-=- BY UNSCRUPULOUS D.J.'S. THEY SHOULD IN NO *-=-* *-=-*-=- WAY BE TAKEN AS CARDINAL TRUTH. THANKS. *-=-* *-=-*-=- *-=-* *-=-*-=- -The Management *-=-* *-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-* *-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-*-=-* Hearing this talk of Reznor, Amos, O'Connor, and so on brought back a bit of evil celebrity gossip I heard a while back. Basically, it went that Tori Amos and Trent Reznor had each done guest work on the other's newest album, and were now shacked up together. Now, the image of the two of them as a couple.... But then, there are similar themes of sexual hysteria in the artists' work, despite the disparate musical styles. Anyhow, I think it's entirely scurrilous, but it amused me anyway. -Ben Breakstone From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Jul 15 07:31:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by netcom.com (8.6.8.1/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id HAA19298; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 07:31:19 -0700 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id HAA15209; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 07:28:19 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA29441; Fri, 15 Jul 94 07:20:15 -0700 Received: from ftp.std.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA29434; Fri, 15 Jul 94 07:20:08 -0700 Received: from world.std.com by ftp.std.com (8.6.8.1/Spike-8-1.0) id KAA26142; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 10:02:39 -0400 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA17104; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 10:02:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199407151402.AA17104@world.std.com> To: bbreak@mit.edu Cc: jump-in-the-river@presto.ig.com Subject: Re: a greeting and whatever comes to mind In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 15 Jul 1994 02:34:25 EDT." <9407150634.AA17463@MIT.EDU> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 10:02:37 -0400 From: Elizabeth Lear Newman Status: OR Rumor: >Tori Amos and Trent Reznor had each done guest work on the other's newest >album, and were now shacked up together. Now, the image of the two of them >as a couple.... >Anyhow, I think it's entirely scurrilous, but it amused me anyway. It is. Tori is thinking of having a baby with her squeeze of many years, Eric. He goes on tour with her, and they seem to be quite dedicated to each other. If you're interested in Tori information, you too can join the mailing list by sending a message to really-deep-thoughts-request@gradient.cis.upenn.edu ...eliz From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Jul 15 12:23:55 1994 Return-Path: Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by netcom.com (8.6.8.1/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id MAA04455; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 12:20:42 -0700 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id MAA17653; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 12:17:33 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA03874; Fri, 15 Jul 94 12:10:23 -0700 Received: from maurolycus.rutgers.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA03870; Fri, 15 Jul 94 12:10:20 -0700 Received: by maurolycus.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) id AA14820; Fri, 15 Jul 94 15:10:12 EDT Date: Fri, 15 Jul 94 15:10:11 EDT From: Greg Bossert To: jump-in-the-river@presto.ig.com Subject: Re: a greeting and whatever comes to mind In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 15 Jul 1994 10:02:37 -0400 Message-Id: Status: OR >>Tori Amos and Trent Reznor had each done guest work on the other's newest >>album, and were now shacked up together. Now, the image of the two of them >>as a couple.... >>Anyhow, I think it's entirely scurrilous, but it amused me anyway. > >It is. Tori is thinking of having a baby with her squeeze of many >years, Eric. He goes on tour with her, and they seem to be quite >dedicated to each other. i concur with eliz' opinion here, and the official rumours seem to agree :) nonetheless, Mr. Reznor does sing backup vocals on the IMrarelyHO brilliant "Past the Mission" on Ms. Amos' most recent album. pretty, soft, mostly in-tune BVs. much more strange and entertaining than shacks. -g From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Jul 15 15:50:40 1994 Return-Path: Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by mail.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id PAA22458; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 15:50:37 -0700 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id PAA19623; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 15:49:46 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA06470; Fri, 15 Jul 94 15:22:33 -0700 Received: from vm.stlawu.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA06466; Fri, 15 Jul 94 15:22:27 -0700 Received: from vm.stlawu.edu by vm.stlawu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3924; Fri, 15 Jul 94 18:23:01 EDT Received: from SLUMUS by vm.stlawu.edu (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 2330; Fri, 15 Jul 94 18:23:00 EDT Message-Id: <15JUL94.19853049.0011.MUSIC@SLUMUS> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 94 18:22:56 EDT From: "Fisher, Carlton D." To: Subject: Tori Amos Dreams (nothing pervie) Status: OR On the Kate Bush listserv they are currently discussing dreams of her majesty the cloudbuster, which I thought rather strange since I just had a dream about Tori Amos last night. I didn't want to bring it up on Love-Hounds because they are so centered on Kate at the moment that I didn't want to throw them off of their track just yet, but I thought that I would mention it on here since she has been the topic of much discussion (Tori and Trent Reznor? Think of the poor ill-adjusted children that would result from that pairing!) Anyway, on to my dream. (This gets a little complicated and also mixes in artists that one does not customarily think of when dwelling upon Tori.) I am at the ceremony for the MTV video music awards, which coincidentally are being held in the gymnasium of my old high school. I am accompanying Madonna, who is performing "Material Girl" onstage (I'm one of the back-up dancers.) Suddenly the music track fails and Madonna has to sing a cappella. She switchs into the Marlena Dietrich inspired version of "Like A Virgin" that she did for _The Girlie Show_, blushing with embarrassment all the way through it. We are being ushered offstage at the songs completion when a huge Grand Piano begins to decend from the ceiling to the opening bars of "Crucify. I stand on the stage almost hypnotized, standing only a few feet from Tori as she sings. She's wearing ripped blue jeans and a white tank top and she's died her hair black, but the roots are still red. The crowd is pushing toward her with excitement and she stops in mid song and politely asks them to stay in their seats so she can finish the song. Then she goes right back into it where she left off. When she's done the piano raises back up into the ceiling and the crowd applauds wildly. Then I woke up. So, that's my Tori Amos dream. Does anyone have any dreams of their own. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Jul 15 16:05:44 1994 Return-Path: Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by netcom2.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id QAA09152; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 16:05:42 -0700 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id QAA19723; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 16:01:21 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA06887; Fri, 15 Jul 94 15:48:58 -0700 Received: from vm.stlawu.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA06881; Fri, 15 Jul 94 15:48:53 -0700 Received: from vm.stlawu.edu by vm.stlawu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3932; Fri, 15 Jul 94 18:49:28 EDT Received: from SLUMUS by vm.stlawu.edu (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 2453; Fri, 15 Jul 94 18:49:27 EDT Message-Id: <15JUL94.20329297.0011.MUSIC@SLUMUS> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 94 18:49:24 EDT From: "Fisher, Carlton D." To: Subject: So you found a girl who thinks really deep thoughts Status: OR The e-mail system said I had given the wrong adress? That's odd, but then again we are working with computers here and they are less perfect than we are. At any rate, as far as I know my address is "x7e0@slumus.bitnet". As far as I know this has not changed, but they are always doing something stupid to the computer system here at SLU so who knows what may have happened. So, I'm here with several thoughts questions comments and whatever. One thing I was wondering, I have heard alot of mention of _The Lion And The Cobra_ and _I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got_ on here, but I haven't heard anything about _Am I Not Your Girl_. To throw my two cents in on it I thought that it was a mistake for Sinead to have done those little chesnuts from big band hell. One or two of them were okay, but I really prefer her original material, and artists who do entire albums of cover versions remind me of Michael Bolton and Natalie Cole. Sinead is a gifted and talented artist who really does not need to bother with outdated material that isn't suited for her anguished and emotional singing style. On alot of the songs I thought that she sounded tired and bored. The material really held her back and kept her from utilizing her talents to their fullest potential. I, for one, am eagerly awaiting an album of new material. As for my tastes in music-- I have a wide range of musical tastes that run from Vivaldi to Nirvana and cover most points in between. However, I mostly prefer alternative music. Some of my favorites are Eurythmics, Annie Lennox, The Cranberries, Sophie B. Hawkins, Kristen Hersh, Kate Bush, Tori Amos, Blondie, Madonna, The Sundays, ABBA, Erasure, Depeche Mode, Pet Shop Boys, Ofra Haza, Morrisey, The Smiths, Nine Inch Nails, Enya, and of course Sinead (those are, by the way, in no particular order and certainly not in order of preference. I have also probably omitted quite a few-- Sarah Mclachlan, Indigo Girls, it just goes on and on and on.) By the way, please send in your dreams about your favorite artists. It doesn't need to be anyone in particular-- this isn't _I Dream of Tori_. That was just who I happened to have a dream about. Anyway, I guess that's all for now. Over and out. Carlton "This is not really happening. You bet your life it is."-- Tori Amos P.S. What does everyone think of Erasure's "Always". My feelings are mixed. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Jul 15 17:48:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by mail2.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id RAA04049; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 17:48:20 -0700 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id RAA20587; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 17:46:34 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA12312; Fri, 15 Jul 94 17:40:25 -0700 Received: from uhunix4.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA12308; Fri, 15 Jul 94 17:40:21 -0700 Received: from (uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu) by uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (4.1/Sun690) id AA27356; Fri, 15 Jul 94 14:39:50 HST Received: by (4.1/uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu) id AA13950; Fri, 15 Jul 94 14:40:14 HST Date: Fri, 15 Jul 94 14:40:13 HST From: THE SHEEP MAN To: jitr@presto.ig.com Subject: Re: So you found a girl who thinks really deep thoughts In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 15 Jul 94 18:49:24 EDT Message-Id: Status: OR > To throw my two > cents in on it I thought that it was a mistake for Sinead to have done > those little chesnuts from big band hell. One or two of them were > okay, but I really prefer her original material, and artists who do > entire albums of cover versions remind me of Michael Bolton and Natalie > Cole. One of a musician's riskiest tasks is to reinterpret other people's music. Some musicians make covers that are thoroughly personal, sometimes trans- forming the original (Bill Frisell's "Have a Little Faith.") Sinead's interpretations of these "chesnuts from big band hell" are very personal. Granted, her voice is not suited for this music, but there lies not only the risk but the originality. She does not mask the emotion of her interpretations behind fancy musical melodrama (Bolton) or posthumous gimmicks (Cole.) So maybe "Don't Cry for Me Argentina" doesn't compare to Patti LuPone's take. Could LuPone sound as haunting as Sinead on "Scarlet Ribbons?" > Sinead is a gifted and talented artist who really does not need > to bother with outdated material that isn't suited for her anguished > and emotional singing style. "Outdated material?" I personally might agree with you there, but the songs Sinead covered have, over time, become standards. They are sung nationwide in beginning voice classes and teaching studios. For a person not born before 1955 (like me), they may seem outdated. > The material really held her back and kept > her from utilizing her talents to their fullest potential. I think the mistake she made was using a big band. She -- or rather her arrangers -- should have re-orchestrated the music to jive with her singing. What I found difficult about AINYG was listening to Sinead give a restrained interpretation of a song with horns blaring behind her. The material, however, did not hold her back. The only thing that can hold back a performer is the performer him/herself. Sinead tried to emulate her idol, Barbara Streisand, but she should have been herself. It *is* possible to sing a Cole Porter song and still stamp your own personality on it. It just depends on how far you transform that song. ************************************************************************* "Dance. Yougottadance. Aslongasthemusicplays. Yougottadance." -- The Sheep Man (from Haruki Murakami's "Dance Dance Dance") Greg Bueno bueno@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu ************************************************************************* From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sat Jul 16 09:58:10 1994 Return-Path: Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by mail.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id JAA10845; Sat, 16 Jul 1994 09:58:09 -0700 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id JAA25247; Sat, 16 Jul 1994 09:57:41 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA17905; Sat, 16 Jul 94 09:48:27 -0700 Received: from net.bio.net by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA17901; Sat, 16 Jul 94 09:48:24 -0700 Received: from BGUVMS (bguvms.bgu.ac.il [132.72.30.2]) by net.bio.net (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA04353 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 1994 09:47:32 -0700 Received: by BGUVMS via SMTP (HUyMail-V6l); Sat, 16 Jul 94 19:47:24 0200 Received: from (black.bgu.ac.il) by black.bgu.ac.il (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07381; Sat, 16 Jul 94 19:44:30-020 Received: by (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23480; Sat, 16 Jul 94 19:42:14+020 Date: Sat, 16 Jul 94 19:42:14+020 From: orit@black.bgu.ac.il (shaham orit) Message-Id: <9407161742.AA23480@> To: jitr@presto.ig.com Subject: Universal Mother Status: OR Just heard that the new album will contain a cover of Nirvana's (Kurt Cobain's) "All Apologies". I suppose Sinead can really sympathize with the late Cobain - like him, she's not completely balanced, and fame hasn't helped any... Three other songs on the album are about child abuse. Now back to your regularly scheduled Tori Amos discussions. Orit From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sat Jul 16 12:53:45 1994 Return-Path: Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by mail.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id MAA24751; Sat, 16 Jul 1994 12:53:43 -0700 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id MAA25841; Sat, 16 Jul 1994 12:53:15 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA18884; Sat, 16 Jul 94 12:42:42 -0700 Received: from netcom5.netcom.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA18880; Sat, 16 Jul 94 12:42:39 -0700 Received: by netcom.com (8.6.8.1/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id MAA28536; Sat, 16 Jul 1994 12:43:00 -0700 Date: Sat, 16 Jul 1994 12:43:00 -0700 From: mcb@netcom.com (Michael C. Berch) Message-Id: <199407161943.MAA28536@netcom5.netcom.com> To: x7e0%slumus.bitnet@presto.ig.com Subject: Mailer administrivia Cc: jitr@presto.ig.com Status: OR "Fisher, Carlton D." writes: > The e-mail system said I had given the wrong adress? That's odd, but > then again we are working with computers here and they are less perfect > than we are. At any rate, as far as I know my address is > "x7e0@slumus.bitnet". As far as I know this has not changed, but they > are always doing something stupid to the computer system here at SLU so > who knows what may have happened. I left the "wrong" address at the top so you could see it... What is happening is that your system is sending out the mail with the From: line of "From: " with no domain, and when it passes through various sites where people get mail (mine was forwarded through Berkeley), the mailer will see the "naked" SLUMUS and treat it as local, and canonicalize it with its own domain name. You need to tell your mail administrator about this -- the From: line on your Internet messages should have a domain of some sort, even the fake ".BITNET" domain if need be, although if SLUMUS does not have a real domain name the correct thing is something like "From: " which would allow everyone to reply correctly. I have copied this to the list as several people wrote me that they were confused about sending replies to you. -- Michael C. Berch Jump-in-the-River Moderator jitr-request@presto.ig.com From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Jul 18 01:12:29 1994 Return-Path: Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by netcom.com (8.6.8.1/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id BAA00614; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 01:12:28 -0700 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id BAA04724; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 01:09:22 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA01547; Mon, 18 Jul 94 01:02:06 -0700 Received: from mail02.prod.aol.net by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA01541; Mon, 18 Jul 94 01:02:04 -0700 Received: by mail02.prod.aol.net (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA15586; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 04:02:02 -0400 From: SnailShell@aol.com X-Mailer: America Online Mailer Sender: "SnailShell" Message-Id: <9407180401.tn551884@aol.com> To: jitr@presto.ig.com Date: Mon, 18 Jul 94 04:01:57 EDT Subject: Re: So you found a girl who thinks really deep thoughts Status: OR Greetings all, > I think the mistake she made was using a big band. She -- or rather > her arrangers -- should have re-orchestrated the music to jive with > her singing. What I found difficult about AINYG was listening to > Sinead give a restrained interpretation of a song with horns blaring > behind her. I agree completely. If she had revamped the songs to be closer to her own style it would have been a little more interesting. Too many musicians make the mistake of trying to sound just like the original when they cover songs, where those who try to give the song as much of a personal touch as possible usually put out better songs. Frente's version of Bizarre Love Triangle (even though it's overplayed out here and I'm getting tired of it) sounds completely different from the original, and it's a great cover. I think if anyone tried to match New Order's style they would flop completely. There are some other covers that give their originals a run for the money too: Dinosaur Jr's "Just Like Heaven", DM's "Route 66", and my *favorite* The Sisters of Mercy cover of the Stones' "Gimme Shelter", as well as a bunch more that my cashew-sized brain can't recall right now. They really give a new twist to great songs. >> Sinead is a gifted and talented artist who really does not need >> to bother with outdated material that isn't suited for her anguished >> and emotional singing style. I don't believe there is such thing as outdated music. I should hope that people wouldn't call Sinead outdated in fifty years. With peace 'n' love as always (and still looking for an Irish maiden), -Ziad /----------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Ziad O. Ezzat | V e r y S m a l l R o c k s | | SnailShell@aol.com | For band and fan club information write to: | | San Jose State Univ | V S R f a n c l u b @ a o l . c o m | |----------------------------------------------------------------------| | "Do you waaaant to come back to my place?.....bouncy, bouncy!" | | --A Hungarian Tourist | \----------------------------------------------------------------------/ From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Jul 18 10:20:55 1994 Return-Path: Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by netcom.com (8.6.8.1/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id KAA05066; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 10:20:52 -0700 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id KAA07542; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 10:17:51 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA06755; Mon, 18 Jul 94 10:09:12 -0700 Received: from MIT.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA06745; Mon, 18 Jul 94 10:09:05 -0700 Received: from SCC-MAC-2.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA28426; Mon, 18 Jul 94 13:08:48 EDT Date: Mon, 18 Jul 94 13:08:48 EDT Message-Id: <9407181708.AA28426@MIT.EDU> Sender: bbreak@po5.mit.edu To: jitr@presto.ig.com From: bbreak@mit.edu Subject: Orchestrations Status: OR >I think the mistake she made was using a big band. She -- or rather >her arrangers -- should have re-orchestrated the music to jive with >her singing. What I found difficult about AINYG was listening to >Sinead give a restrained interpretation of a song with horns blaring >behind her. I definitely agree that the biggest problem was the orchestrations. Overworked, maudlin, and just plain cheezy. I couldn't help laughing as I listened to the elevator-music-like strings of "Success has Made...", and all the rest. The mediocrity of the entire recording disappointed me greatly. And the material certainly could have been fantastic with Sinead's voice- just look at the track she did for "Red Hot & Blue." Its spare reworking of the Cole Porter classic was far & away the best track on the album. Such a pity. -Ben Breakstone (bbreak@mit.edu) From JITR@drew.drew.edu Mon Jul 18 12:37:26 1994 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by netcom.com (8.6.8.1/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id MAA16557; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 12:37:25 -0700 From: JITR@drew.drew.edu Received: from drew.drew.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA08735; Mon, 18 Jul 94 12:29:15 -0700 Received: from DREW.DREW.EDU by DREW.DREW.EDU (PMDF V4.2-11 #4128) id <01HEUTBBMLFK004724@DREW.DREW.EDU>; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 14:54:16 EDT Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 14:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: To: jitr-request@presto.ig.com Message-Id: <01HEUTBBN4QA004724@DREW.DREW.EDU> X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr-request@presto.ig.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: OR unsubscribe From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Jul 19 01:18:16 1994 Return-Path: Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by mail2.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id BAA09000; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 01:18:12 -0700 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id BAA15453; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 01:11:41 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA14697; Tue, 19 Jul 94 01:01:14 -0700 Received: from techst02.technion.ac.il by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA14686; Tue, 19 Jul 94 01:01:00 -0700 Received: (from c0779952@localhost) by techst02.technion.ac.il (8.6.9/8.6.6) id LAA13939; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 11:00:40 +0300 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 11:00:33 +0300 (EET DST) From: "Mezhibovsky E." Subject: Re: Universal Mother To: shaham orit Cc: jitr@presto.ig.com In-Reply-To: <9407161742.AA23480@> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR On Sat, 16 Jul 1994, shaham orit wrote: > Just heard that the new album will contain a cover of Nirvana's (Kurt > Cobain's) "All Apologies". I suppose Sinead can really sympathize with > the late Cobain - like him, she's not completely balanced, and fame hasn't > helped any... Three other songs on the album are about child abuse. > > > Now back to your regularly scheduled Tori Amos discussions. > > Orit > btw, in the same album , where is All Apologies Cobain sing...: I love you for what i am not I don't want what i have got... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ just to compare with Sinead's I don't want what i havn't got... hmmmm. DDD EEEE M\ /M EEEE N\ N TTTTT EEEE DDD 77777 D D EE= M M M EE= N N N T EE= D D 77 DDD EEEE M M EEEE N \N T EEEE DDD 77 ... Who said don't look back ? Don't beleive 'em From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Jul 19 11:23:31 1994 Return-Path: Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by netcom.com (8.6.8.1/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id LAA18616; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 11:07:00 -0700 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id KAA18774; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 10:59:51 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA18328; Tue, 19 Jul 94 10:50:27 -0700 Received: from uhunix4.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA18320; Tue, 19 Jul 94 10:50:19 -0700 Received: from (uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu) by uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (4.1/Sun690) id AA28483; Tue, 19 Jul 94 07:48:44 HST Received: by (4.1/uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu) id AA17181; Tue, 19 Jul 94 07:50:10 HST Date: Tue, 19 Jul 94 7:50:08 HST From: THE RAT To: jitr@presto.ig.com Subject: From Peter J. Howard and ICE... Message-Id: Status: OR This month's issue of ICE CD Newsletter sports a cover story featuring Sinead and other big artists with new releases due this fall. "All Apologies," as jitr knows, will be on the album as will a cover of Phil Coulter's "Scorn Not His Simplicity." Her son, Jake, sings on a track ("Am I A Human") as well. According to ICE, "cover art for Universal Mother shows three images of Sinead, one curled up in a fetal position, *sans* clothing." The article also lists the tracks on the album. ************************************************************************* "Dance. Yougottadance. Aslongasthemusicplays. Yougottadance." -- The Sheep Man (from Haruki Murakami's "Dance Dance Dance") Greg Bueno bueno@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu ************************************************************************* From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Jul 19 14:24:36 1994 Return-Path: Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by mail2.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id OAA22628; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 14:24:33 -0700 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id OAA20406; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 14:22:29 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA00197; Tue, 19 Jul 94 14:13:54 -0700 Received: from [147.226.56.55] by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA00193; Tue, 19 Jul 94 14:13:50 -0700 Received: from BSUVC.bsu.edu by BSUVC.bsu.edu (PMDF V4.3-7 #6522) id <01HEWA93DP3K8WXCSN@BSUVC.bsu.edu>; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 16:12:44 EST Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 16:12:44 -0500 (EST) From: 00sagifford@bsuvc.bsu.edu Subject: Bye for now Sender: 00SAGIFFORD@bsuvc.bsu.edu To: jitr@presto.ig.com Message-Id: <01HEWA93FKMA8WXCSN@BSUVC.bsu.edu> X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: OR Well, I am unsubscribing now, as I am moving this weekend, I plan to resub when i reach my new place and get my new email address and all. My fiancee should be having our baby this weekend, so right now things are pretty full for me here. Name suggestions can be sent by reply to this account for now. Money donations, etc... can be sent to steve gifford 1600 e. hillside dr. #4 bloomington, in 47401 ;) see you in the fall From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Jul 19 16:10:27 1994 Return-Path: Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by netcom.com (8.6.8.1/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id QAA28627; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 16:10:25 -0700 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id QAA21491; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 16:06:45 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA06212; Tue, 19 Jul 94 15:58:21 -0700 Received: from vm.stlawu.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA06198; Tue, 19 Jul 94 15:58:15 -0700 Received: from vm.stlawu.edu by vm.stlawu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0384; Tue, 19 Jul 94 18:56:35 EDT Received: from SLUMUS by vm.stlawu.edu (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 0414; Tue, 19 Jul 94 18:56:35 EDT Message-Id: <19JUL94.20457611.0009.MUSIC@SLUMUS> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 94 18:56:31 EDT From: "Fisher, Carlton D." To: Subject: All Apologies Status: OR I seemed to have stirred up a serpent's nest with my comments on _Am I Not Your Girl_ I agree with the idea that the album would have been much better if Sinead had adapted the songs to fit her style. My anger at the album lies in the fact that I was stung when I had been expecting classic Sinead and wound up with her fronting Harry Connick Jr.'s band. All apologies. On another note-- has Sinead ever worked with Kate Bush? Being two of the first visible alternative female artists to have had real success (even thought there was a large gap between "Wuthering Heights" and "Nothing Compares 2 U" [which she did about a million times better than Prince ever even dreamed of]) it would seem almost natural for them to have worked together at some point, even in concert. Well, just curious. Carlton x7e0@slumus.bitnet "Boys get locked up in some prison. Girls get locked up in some house. It doesn't matter if it's a warden or a lover or a spouse-- your just can't talk to them. You just can't reason. You just can't leave, and you just can't please them."-- Ani Difranco "Out of Range" From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Jul 19 17:10:30 1994 Return-Path: Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by netcom.com (8.6.8.1/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id RAA23248; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 17:10:18 -0700 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id RAA22005; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 17:07:02 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA09621; Tue, 19 Jul 94 16:58:36 -0700 Received: from tsunami-ether.Berkeley.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA09611; Tue, 19 Jul 94 16:58:32 -0700 Received: by tsunami.berkeley.edu (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4.1-Domain/CHAOS) id AA11014; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 16:58:29 -0700 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 16:58:29 -0700 From: Sam Li Message-Id: <199407192358.AA11014@tsunami.berkeley.edu> To: X7E0@SLUMUS.berkeley.edu, jump-in-the-river@presto.ig.com Subject: Re: All Apologies Status: OR >On another note-- has Sinead ever worked with Kate Bush? Being two of >the first visible alternative female artists to have had real success >(even thought there was a large gap between "Wuthering Heights" and >"Nothing Compares 2 U" [which she did about a million times better than >Prince ever even dreamed of]) it would seem almost natural for them to >have worked together at some point, even in concert. Well, just >curious. > I think it's probably because Kate Bush and Sinead come from totally different perspectives. To me, it seems Sinead is more influenced by punk and hip-hop than Bush. My impression of Kate Bush is one of a flighty slick silk-smothered femme. It'd be like Amy Grant working with Joan Jett. Or Wilson-Phillips with L7. Argh, I cant think of the proper over-used cliche at the moment, so please bear with me. Or am i missing something about Kate Bush? But they do both have that peter gabriel connection dont they? samli@ocf.berkeley.edu From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Jul 19 17:38:55 1994 Return-Path: Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by netcom.com (8.6.8.1/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id RAA12633; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 17:38:53 -0700 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id RAA22197; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 17:35:14 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA11238; Tue, 19 Jul 94 17:27:18 -0700 Received: from uhunix4.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA11226; Tue, 19 Jul 94 17:27:08 -0700 Received: from (uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu) by uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (4.1/Sun690) id AA03576; Tue, 19 Jul 94 14:25:31 HST Received: by (4.1/uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu) id AA13680; Tue, 19 Jul 94 14:27:04 HST Date: Tue, 19 Jul 94 14:27:02 HST From: THE RAT To: jump-in-the-river@presto.ig.com Subject: Re: All Apologies In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 19 Jul 1994 16:58:29 -0700 Message-Id: Status: OR > >On another note-- has Sinead ever worked with Kate Bush? Being two of > >the first visible alternative female artists to have had real success [deleted stuff] > >it would seem almost natural for them to > >have worked together at some point, even in concert. Well, just > >curious. Critics love to peg (or rather, have pegged) Sinead and Kate into the same ilk because they defied the MTV Cookie Cutter Femme Image dominated by the likes of Madonna. > It'd be like Amy Grant working with > Joan Jett. Or Wilson-Phillips with L7. Argh, I cant think of the proper > over-used cliche at the moment, so please bear with me. Musically, such a combination would produce *interesting* results to say the least. Could you imagine Sinead backed by the Trio Bulgarka? p.s. Any Bulgarian women choir fans out there? ************************************************************************* "Dance. Yougottadance. Aslongasthemusicplays. Yougottadance." -- The Sheep Man (from Haruki Murakami's "Dance Dance Dance") Greg Bueno bueno@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu ************************************************************************* From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Jul 19 18:51:16 1994 Return-Path: Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by mail2.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id SAA18238; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 18:51:13 -0700 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id SAA22712; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 18:49:53 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA15369; Tue, 19 Jul 94 18:43:02 -0700 Received: from eden-backend.rutgers.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA15365; Tue, 19 Jul 94 18:42:59 -0700 Received: from Mac-mailer (hill009-31.rutgers.edu [128.6.13.78]) by eden-backend.rutgers.edu (8.6.8.1+bestmx/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA11435; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 21:42:57 -0400 From: David Byrne Message-Id: <199407200142.VAA11435@eden-backend.rutgers.edu> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 94 21:42:57 0000 To: jitr@presto.ig.com Subject: AINYG, L&C, Cobain Status: OR Hey All, First off, I do like some big band music & I thought Sinead did a wonderful job with Am I not your girl. It was not til yesterday that I really appreciated Success... I always thought Why don't you do right, I wanna be loved by you, Argentina & Black Coffee to be the best off the CD, by the dynamics & the power of her voice in Success is beyond impressive. As far as covers of older jazzy styled songs, are there any Madonna fans out there? If so, you MUST know of her gorgeous cover of Peggy Lee's "Fever". It's not jazzy at all, rather HI NRG at it's finest!! Imagine if Sinead did a total reorganization of some of those older songs? Oye. Also, I think that Lion & the Cobra is Sinead's best CD. All of the songs are triumphant (well maybe except for Just Like U said it would B & Hands on Me). There's everything there & she seems so young, curious & inexperienced at some unparticular parts that it's almost powerful. Troy, Drink before the war & Jackie are simply unforgetable in my book. So, I am looking forward to her new CD which will be a lot like L&C. I think her cover of All Apologies will be infamous! Actually, that is the only Nirvana song I like, b/c Cobain's voice was so retched (when was the last time you heard that word!?!?!). Enjoy & One last question... do you think Chrysalis will release All Apologies as a feautre single?? Dave From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Jul 20 00:45:47 1994 Return-Path: Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by mail.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id AAA01814; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 00:45:46 -0700 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id AAA25250; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 00:45:18 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA05297; Wed, 20 Jul 94 00:37:29 -0700 Received: from swan.doc.ic.ac.uk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA05288; Wed, 20 Jul 94 00:37:15 -0700 Received: from doc.ic.ac.uk by swan.doc.ic.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <02794-0@swan.doc.ic.ac.uk>; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 08:36:37 +0100 From: Matthias Radestock Date: Wed, 20 Jul 94 08:36:35 BST Message-Id: <2135.9407200736@gummo.doc.ic.ac.uk> Received: from water.doc.ic.ac.uk by gummo.doc.ic.ac.uk; Wed, 20 Jul 94 08:36:35 BST Received: by water.doc.ic.ac.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10693; Wed, 20 Jul 94 08:37:22 BST To: jitr@presto.ig.com Subject: Re: Naked Sinead Status: OR The discussion about the album cover for UM brought back to my mind that some music journal (it was RS, I think) showed a naked Sinead about 1 and a half years ago. If I recall it correctly it was an ad for one of her singles. I was a bit worried when I heard about it because I couldn't imagine Sinead in a Madonna-like exposing picture. However, it turned out to be completely different - nakedness not as a means for exposing sexuality but rather weakness. Anyone else remembers this? Matthias. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Jul 20 01:17:14 1994 Return-Path: Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by mail2.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id BAA06712; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 01:17:13 -0700 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id BAA25397; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 01:15:58 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA07053; Wed, 20 Jul 94 01:07:50 -0700 Received: from garnet.Berkeley.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA07049; Wed, 20 Jul 94 01:07:47 -0700 Received: by garnet.berkeley.edu (8.6.8/1.33r) id BAA27820; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 01:07:20 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 1994 01:07:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Jack B Huynh Subject: Re: Naked Sinead To: Matthias Radestock Cc: jitr@presto.ig.com In-Reply-To: <2135.9407200736@gummo.doc.ic.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR Yeah, in SPIN magazine, I think she posed naked next to some statue. It was definitely more of a 'weakness' pose, but she still looked cute. = ) jack b huynh jhuy@garnet.berkeley.edu -Cocteau Twins Home Page- http://garnet.berkeley.edu:8080/ From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Jul 20 09:35:48 1994 Return-Path: Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by mail2.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id JAA20923; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 09:35:33 -0700 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id JAA27532; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 09:33:23 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA04771; Wed, 20 Jul 94 09:23:16 -0700 Received: from zcias1.ziff.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA04767; Wed, 20 Jul 94 09:23:10 -0700 Received: from DN-ARNOR by zcias1.ziff.com (PMDF V4.3-7 #6906) id <01HEXGMJNV7K000NUH@zcias1.ziff.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 12:22:58 EDT Received: from arnor.zis.ziff.com by arnor.zis.ziff.com (PMDF V4.2-13 #3828) id <01HEXG29KN8CBMAJVM@arnor.zis.ziff.com>; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 12:22:51 EDT Date: Wed, 20 Jul 1994 12:22:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Warren Subject: Re: All Apologies To: jump-in-the-river@presto.ig.com Message-Id: <01HEXG29KN8EBMAJVM@arnor.zis.ziff.com> X-Vms-To: IN%"jump-in-the-river@presto.ig.com" X-Vms-Cc: I_SW Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: OR >I think it's probably because Kate Bush and Sinead come from totally >different perspectives. To me, it seems Sinead is more influenced >by punk and hip-hop than Bush. My impression of Kate Bush is one of a >flighty slick silk-smothered femme. It'd be like Amy Grant working with >Joan Jett. Or Wilson-Phillips with L7. Argh, I cant think of the proper >over-used cliche at the moment, so please bear with me. >Or am i missing something about Kate Bush? In my opinion, you sure are. Kate has *extremely* little to do with flighty attitudes, slickness, or silk. If all you've heard by her is "Wuthering Heights," maybe I understand where your ideas came from. But did you ever hear _The Dreaming_? Or _Hounds of Love_? Kate's music is nothing if not diverse. So while she might be at home with a ballad (like "Moments of Pleasure" from her latest album), I'd hardly classify her slower-tempo songs with those of Wilson-Phillips or Amy Grant. And Kate's lyrics are quite intriguing, at times I would even say "profound." It really sounds to me like you haven't heard much of Kate's material. But would I put her in a category with Sinead? No, I don't think so. They're both female, rock/alternative-based, Irish (Kate's family, not her residence) and they both have strong voices. I would agree that Sinead is more influenced by punk and hip-hop (whoever mixed Kate's "Shoe Dance" really missed the boat on hip-hop), but they both have interests in Irish fiddle music. If they were to work on a project together, I would be interested, but I wouldn't necassarily push them in that direction if I should meet either one. I used to like TAFKAP (The Artist Formerly Known As Prince), but I found his work with Kate Bush (on _The Red Shoes_) *much* to my disliking. So I don't often wish for dream duets, because they can sometimes be painfully realized. -Sam But they do both have that peter gabriel connection dont they? samli@ocf.berkeley.edu From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Jul 20 10:41:12 1994 Return-Path: Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by mail.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id KAA15031; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 10:40:52 -0700 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id KAA28240; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 10:38:44 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA08997; Wed, 20 Jul 94 10:30:31 -0700 Received: from vm.stlawu.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA08991; Wed, 20 Jul 94 10:30:13 -0700 Received: from vm.stlawu.edu by vm.stlawu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0527; Wed, 20 Jul 94 13:27:55 EDT Received: from SLUMUS by vm.stlawu.edu (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 4442; Wed, 20 Jul 94 13:27:54 EDT Message-Id: <20JUL94.14541152.0010.MUSIC@SLUMUS> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 94 13:27:50 EDT From: "Fisher, Carlton D." To: Subject: flavors elvis never intended Status: OR All this talk about artists trying uncustomary musical styles has made me start to think of some kind of Tropicana Twister add collides with the Rolling Stone who's who. You already know my opinion of _Am I Not Your Girl_ (and what an unpopular opinion it is!), but now I've decided to start sounding off on some of the other odd combos we've been talking about on here. "Fever"-- I am a die hard Madonna fan. I have spent a great deal of time and money tracking down collectibles and imports of Her Mistress Dita, but "Fever" really rubs me the wrong way. The vocal is rather emotionless and the backing track is obnoxiously repetitive. I prefer the version that she did in concert for _The Girlie Show_, but beyond that it just doesn't seem like one of her stronger tracks. _Erotica_ as an album is uneven with only a few bright moments. One thing that is kind of neat, though, is the _I'm Breathless_ album (anyone remeber that should-have-been-a-flop movie _Dick Tracy_?). Whereas Sinead tried her hand at big band music, Madonna went for the Twenies torch singer approach. Surprisingly it works. Why? Because Madonna still applied her same style to the songs that she did. While they were all original songs written in a tweties style, she did not change her vocal style to sound like a waifish potential rape victim. Her vocals, while being sexy and seductive still hold onto that same dominance that she clings to in alot of her music. If Sinead had re-arranged the songs on AINYG to fit her regular vocal stylization then it would have been a truly amazing album. (Let me throw in here that, even though Madonna made it work, _I'm Breathless_ get's boring after awhile.) Kate Bush-- Since they haven't worked together, I started thinking of some of the songs that Kate does that Sinead could probably do a spectacular cover of. One that I think would really work with Sinead's personality and presence is "Running Up The Hill (A Deal With God)". It has alot of that anger and fire in it that Sinead really runs with in alot of her music. Sinead, if your listening, here's a suggestion. (By the way, Kate alternates between that waifish femme fatal persona and a stronger angrier one that is also capable of the great degrees of sadness that Sinead is. To hear the latter personae check out _The Hounds of Love_, _The Dreaming_, or the two b-side compilation disks in the _This Woman's Work_ boxed set. Also of interest might be _The Sensual World_ which is much more feminine in nature of _The Red Shoes_ which is a very beautiful album that covers religion, sex, loss, and love.) Carlton x7e0@slumus.bitnet From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Jul 20 11:18:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by mail2.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id LAA01941; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 11:18:13 -0700 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id LAA28771; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 11:17:29 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA11190; Wed, 20 Jul 94 11:09:39 -0700 Received: from tsunami-ether.Berkeley.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA11185; Wed, 20 Jul 94 11:09:32 -0700 Received: by tsunami.berkeley.edu (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4.1-Domain/CHAOS) id AA15187; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 11:09:28 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 1994 11:09:28 -0700 From: Sam Li Message-Id: <199407201809.AA15187@tsunami.berkeley.edu> To: jitr@presto.ig.com, mr3@doc.ic.ac.uk Subject: Re: Naked Sinead Status: OR >From: Matthias Radestock >Date: Wed, 20 Jul 94 08:36:35 BST >To: jitr@presto.ig.com >Subject: Re: Naked Sinead > >The discussion about the album cover for UM brought back to my mind that >some music journal (it was RS, I think) showed a naked Sinead about 1 and a >half years ago. If I recall it correctly it was an ad for one of her singles. >I was a bit worried when I heard about it because I couldn't imagine Sinead >in a Madonna-like exposing picture. However, it turned out to be completely >different - nakedness not as a means for exposing sexuality but rather >weakness. > >Anyone else remembers this? > >Matthias. > Rolling Stone Issue 642, October 29, 1992 is the issue i have: Sinead on the cover. On page 51, she's naked, curled up, sort of sitting, vulnerable but with a guardian angel statue in bluish light. In the article, she expresses compassion for Mike Tyson. Is this the one of which you are speaking? --sam samli@ocf.berkeley.edu p.s. I heard someone of Wilson-Phillips recently died a heroin related-death, a la GG Allin, Pfaff, Cobain, and that woman from 7-year bitch. I also heard pavement broke up. Heh -- anyone confirm or vehemently deny my vicious rumors? Oh, nevermind. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Jul 20 11:21:23 1994 Return-Path: Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by mail.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id LAA21189; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 11:20:57 -0700 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id LAA28798; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 11:19:32 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA11243; Wed, 20 Jul 94 11:10:17 -0700 Received: from SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA11212; Wed, 20 Jul 94 11:09:58 -0700 Message-Id: <9407201809.AA11212@presto.ig.com> Received: from SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU by SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R1) with BSMTP id 0765; Wed, 20 Jul 94 13:10:10 CST Date: Wed, 20 Jul 94 13:02:13 CST From: "Timothy S. Brannan" To: jump-in-the-river@presto.ig.com Subject: RE: Flavors Elvis never intended Status: OR A while back I read an interview with Sting and he mentioned Sinead. He had said that he had really liked her music and that she reminded him of him self in his younger angrier days. I always thought that a duet with Sting and Sinead would be nice; maybe "Wrapped around your finger". For those of you who are curious I have this great picture (GIF and JPEG) of Sting, Sinead and Peter Gabriel from a 1992 Rolling Stone. If someone nice out there will remind where the archive home is then I will post it. Also if anyone knows of a boot with Sting and Sinead then PLEASE let me know. Thanks. Tim /-----------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Timothy S. Brannan | BitNet : tbrannan @ siucvmb | | Southern Illinois University | Internet: tbrannan @ siucvmb.siu.edu | | Carbondale, Il 62901 | Aol : TBrannan @ Aol.Com | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "I know that the spades are the swords of the soldiers, I know the | | clubs are weapons of war. I know that diamonds mean money for this | | art. But that's not the shape of my heart." - Sting | \-----------------------------------------------------------------------/ From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Jul 20 11:35:18 1994 Return-Path: Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by mail.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id LAA23152; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 11:35:11 -0700 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id LAA28898; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 11:33:19 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA12050; Wed, 20 Jul 94 11:24:31 -0700 Received: from uhunix4.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA12036; Wed, 20 Jul 94 11:24:24 -0700 Received: from (uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu) by uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (4.1/Sun690) id AA01527; Wed, 20 Jul 94 08:22:32 HST Received: by (4.1/uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu) id AA20978; Wed, 20 Jul 94 08:24:21 HST Date: Wed, 20 Jul 94 8:24:20 HST From: THE RAT To: jitr@presto.ig.com Subject: Re: flavors elvis never intended In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 20 Jul 94 13:27:50 EDT Message-Id: Status: OR > All this talk about artists trying uncustomary musical styles has made > me start to think of some kind of Tropicana Twister add collides with > the Rolling Stone who's who. Or the Bud Dry commercial in which you can "mix anything." (Full contact golf, anyone?) > One thing that > is kind of neat, though, is the _I'm Breathless_ album (anyone remeber > that should-have-been-a-flop movie _Dick Tracy_?). Whereas Sinead > tried her hand at big band music, Madonna went for the Twenies torch > singer approach. Surprisingly it works. Why? Because Madonna still > applied her same style to the songs that she did. Really? I thought it was because Stephen Sondheim wrote three tracks. :-) Actually, the reason why it worked was because Madonna planned and executed a *concept* (tied in with a heavy marketing scheme.) The sexiness of "Breatheless" is deliberate since the album, in a way, fits the character of Breathless Malone. (Or should that be Mahone? Please refer to the Pogues to get the joke :-) Sinead's covers, though flawed, are sincere. What I'd really like to see is Sinead team up with Enya again. Or Stephen Sondheim. ************************************************************************* "Dance. Yougottadance. Aslongasthemusicplays. Yougottadance." -- The Sheep Man (from Haruki Murakami's "Dance Dance Dance") Greg Bueno bueno@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu ************************************************************************* (who would really like to see Sinead sing Sondheim's "No One Is Alone...") From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Jul 20 12:13:56 1994 Return-Path: Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by mail.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id MAA29746; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 12:13:52 -0700 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id MAA29206; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 12:12:00 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA14398; Wed, 20 Jul 94 12:04:26 -0700 Received: from netcom13.netcom.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA14340; Wed, 20 Jul 94 12:03:20 -0700 Received: by netcom.com (8.6.8.1/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id MAA22402; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 12:03:16 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 1994 12:03:16 -0700 From: mcb@netcom.com (Michael C. Berch) Message-Id: <199407201903.MAA22402@netcom13.netcom.com> To: jitr@presto.ig.com Subject: Stuff for the JITR archive Cc: TBRANNAN@siucvmb.siu.edu Status: OR Timothy S. Brannan writes: > For those of you who are curious I have this great picture (GIF and JPEG) of > Sting, Sinead and Peter Gabriel from a 1992 Rolling Stone. > If someone nice out there will remind where the archive home is then I will > post it. All material for the archives should be mailed to me at the list request address, jitr-request@presto.ig.com. For images, uuencoded GIF or JPEG is best. Stuff cannot be uploaded directly. The archive is available by anonymous FTP on net.bio.net in directory misc/jitr. Below is a listing of the current contents. As you can see, image files are currently stored as both GIF and JPEG, which is sort of wasteful; unless there are overwhelmingly vociferous objections, I plan to keep the JPEGs only in the future. If you need help in finding JPEG image-handling software, look in the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.utilities (software for PCs and Macs is posted there) or in alt.answers for the JPEG FAQ. I use JPEGView on the Mac and xv on UNIX workstations for JPEG stuff, and cjpeg/djpeg for conversion. -- Michael C. Berch Jump-in-the-River Moderator Sinead stuff: jitr-request@presto.ig.com In real life: mcb@postmodern.com / mcb@netcom.com From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Jul 20 12:17:57 1994 Return-Path: Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by mail.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id MAA00507; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 12:17:53 -0700 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id MAA29232; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 12:17:20 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA13389; Wed, 20 Jul 94 11:48:23 -0700 Received: from uhunix4.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA13382; Wed, 20 Jul 94 11:48:13 -0700 Received: from (uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu) by uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (4.1/Sun690) id AB04270; Wed, 20 Jul 94 08:46:21 HST Received: by (4.1/uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu) id AA22787; Wed, 20 Jul 94 08:48:09 HST Date: Wed, 20 Jul 94 8:48:06 HST From: HIRAKU MAKIMURA To: jump-in-the-river@presto.ig.com Subject: Sinead duets with [insert name here] In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 20 Jul 94 13:02:13 CST Message-Id: Status: OR >A while back I read an interview with Sting and he mentioned Sinead. >He had said that he had really liked her music and that she reminded him of him >self in his younger angrier days. I think that was 1991 interview around the time of his Soul Cages album. His interviewer quoted him as saying back in 1982, "If I had to choose between friends and success, I'd most definitely choose success." (Or something like that.) >I always thought that a duet with Sting and Sinead would be nice; maybe >"Wrapped around your finger". How about "Children's Crusade" with a quotation of "Black Boys on Mopeds?" :-) BTW, How did her duet with Willie Nelson sound? ************************************************************************* "Dance. Yougottadance. Aslongasthemusicplays. Yougottadance." -- The Sheep Man (from Haruki Murakami's "Dance Dance Dance") Greg Bueno bueno@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu ************************************************************************* From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Jul 21 07:38:43 1994 Return-Path: Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by netcom.com (8.6.8.1/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id HAA22179; Thu, 21 Jul 1994 07:38:40 -0700 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id HAA08385; Thu, 21 Jul 1994 07:35:41 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA19068; Thu, 21 Jul 94 07:25:56 -0700 Received: from Relay.CV.COM by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA19054; Thu, 21 Jul 94 07:25:39 -0700 Received: from elc3.cv.com by Relay.CV.COM; 21 Jul 94 10:19:22 EST Received: (from user J.V) by elc3.cv.com; 21 Jul 94 16:14:20 O Received: (from user J.V using PRIMAILPLUS Version 2.6.4) Subject: DUET STING / SINEAD To: ALLMUSIC@american.edu, JITR@presto.ig.com, BUENO@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu From: john van der vuurst Trace-To: J.V@elc3.cv.com Date: Thu, 21 Jul 1994 16:14:16 +0200 Message-Id: <774785969.M19026@Relay.CV.COM> Status: OR Hi, Haruki, I would not dislike the idea of Sting and Sinead having a duet together, I rather like the idea to be honest. The both have got something dramatic in their songs. Like you mentioned "Black boys on mopeds" (Margreth T. on TV, Shocked by the deaths that took place in Beijing, Seems strange that she should be offended, the same orders are given by her.....Police who killed black boys on mopeds...) and "Children's Cruisade" (of which I know some lines but not the complete text) Why don't we form a group to bring the two of them together, in a kind of Jamsession!?! John van der Vuurst ----------------------+-----------------------------------+-------------------- | ComputerVision Building 70 | J.V@ELC1.CV.COM John van der Vuurst | P.O. Box 75025 1117 ZN | J.V@ELC3.CV.COM | Schiphol-east The Netherlands | ----------------------+-----------------------------------+-------------------- System Operations Support MIS J.W. van der Vuurst jr. TEL: ++31-(0)20-6033265 or ++31-(0)20-6033263 FAX: ++31-(0)20-6480650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm full of good itentions, like I never was before It's too late for preventions, but I do not think it's too late for the cure (Sinead O'Connor : I do not want what I haven't got) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jul 94 8:48:06 HST From: HIRAKU MAKIMURA To: jump-in-the-river@presto.ig.com >A while back I read an interview with Sting and he mentioned Sinead. >He had said that he had really liked her music and that she reminded him of him >self in his younger angrier days. I think that was 1991 interview around the time of his Soul Cages album. His interviewer quoted him as saying back in 1982, "If I had to choose between friends and success, I'd most definitely choose success." (Or something like that.) >I always thought that a duet with Sting and Sinead would be nice; maybe >"Wrapped around your finger". How about "Children's Crusade" with a quotation of "Black Boys on Mopeds?" :-) BTW, How did her duet with Willie Nelson sound? ************************************************************************* "Dance. Yougottadance. Aslongasthemusicplays. Yougottadance." -- The Sheep Man (from Haruki Murakami's "Dance Dance Dance") Greg Bueno bueno@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu ************************************************************************* From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Jul 25 10:31:06 1994 Return-Path: Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by mail2.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id KAA06693; Mon, 25 Jul 1994 10:30:58 -0700 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id KAA14282; Mon, 25 Jul 1994 10:28:24 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA29721; Mon, 25 Jul 94 10:20:39 -0700 Received: from VAX003.STOCKTON.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA29716; Mon, 25 Jul 94 10:20:34 -0700 Received: from odin.stockton.edu by VAX003.STOCKTON.EDU via Pony Express SMTP with TCP (v8.1.1-dmr001); Mon, 25 Jul 94 13:22:48 EST Received: from odin.stockton.edu by odin.stockton.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA26096; Mon, 25 Jul 94 13:24:49 -0400 From: mryan@cosi.stockton.edu Date: Mon, 25 Jul 94 13:24:48 EDT To: jitr@presto.ig.com Message-Id: Subject: Ani DiFranco Status: OR This is to Carlton!!! Your address would not work! Ani DiFranco is awesome! Anyone who listens to Ani and Sinead are pretty neat-o in my book! Anyone who has never heard of Ani she is a woman from Buffalo NY, her lyrics are wonderful and daring and exciting and unique and very woman oriented and awesome and i can just go on!! Ani does a lot of folk festivals, but unfortunately I have not been able to see her. She has her own record label called Righteous Babe Records and if you call the label you might get to hear her voice on the answering machine. I did!! I was so excited! She is about 22 or 23 I think, maybe a bit older, and she recorded her first album and made her own label when she was only nineteen! My friend told me that she was an orphan and had a very hard life. She is definately an artist to look up and listen to! So look out for her and be aware, she will definately blow your mind!! peace love oonagh the irish maiden "your bones have been my bed frame and your flesh has been my pillow..." Ani DiFranco "trying to fight gravity on a planet that insists..." Ani DiFranco "the old woman behind the pink curtains and the closed door, on the first floor, she is listening through the air shaft to see how long our swan song can last..." Ani DiFranco From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Jul 25 21:38:40 1994 Return-Path: Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by netcom.com (8.6.8.1/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id VAA01275; Mon, 25 Jul 1994 21:38:38 -0700 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id VAA20781; Mon, 25 Jul 1994 21:34:23 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA08715; Mon, 25 Jul 94 21:27:08 -0700 Received: from gcef.gc.maricopa.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA08711; Mon, 25 Jul 94 21:27:04 -0700 Received: by gcef.gc.maricopa.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA18859; Mon, 25 Jul 1994 21:25:27 -0700 Message-Id: <9407260425.AA18859@gcef.gc.maricopa.edu> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 1994 21:25:26 -0700 (MST) From: "Stephanie Dawn Straley" <45651@ef.gc.maricopa.edu> To: jitr@presto.ig.com Subject: Single Sinead??? Status: OR After hearing of the article in ICE Newsletter, I went to Tower Records to look at a copy myself. They mentioned that John Reynolds helped out on the album, and they referred to him as "her husband" as far as I knew they were divorced quite a while ago. Has she been remarried or was this an uninformed author??? Also, one of the songs on UM is titled "John I Love" From B.HEROD@ais1.usc.edu Mon Jul 25 23:13:50 1994 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by mail3.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id XAA25416; Mon, 25 Jul 1994 23:13:48 -0700 Received: from ais1se.usc.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA09383; Mon, 25 Jul 94 23:13:02 -0700 Received: from AIS1.usc.edu by AIS1.usc.edu; 25 Jul 94 23:12:51 PST Date: Mon, 25 Jul 94 23:12:48 PST From: "B.HEROD" Subject: Sinead duets To: Message-Id: <194072594.27578690@AIS1.usc.edu> Status: OR How about a duet between Sinead O'Connor and Stan Ridgway. It's just crazy enough to work! ------- From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Jul 26 14:15:15 1994 Return-Path: Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by netcom2.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id OAA08676; Tue, 26 Jul 1994 14:15:11 -0700 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id OAA27759; Tue, 26 Jul 1994 14:10:48 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA18927; Tue, 26 Jul 94 13:55:44 -0700 Received: from relay1.Hawaii.Edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA18922; Tue, 26 Jul 94 13:55:39 -0700 Received: from uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu ([128.171.44.52]) by relay1.Hawaii.Edu with SMTP id <38204>; Tue, 26 Jul 1994 10:50:06 -1000 Received: by uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu id <148522>; Tue, 26 Jul 1994 08:25:19 -1000 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 1994 08:25:05 -1000 From: THE RAT To: jitr@presto.ig.com In-Real-Life: Greg Bueno Subject: Sinead's vocal technique? Message-Id: Status: OR I haven't touched my cassette collection in over a year. So I was quite shocked to realize my brother had stolen my copy of "I Do Not Want..." After stealing it back (he left it in his car), I played it. As I listened, something alarmed me about Sinead's vocal technique. Sinead has a very hazardous habit of gasping for her breaths. This is not a good thing for the vocal chords. My voice teacher last semester said gasping puts 50 lbs of pressure on the larynx. Now, imagine doing an entire tour with that habit... I hope Sinead has rectified this. It'd be our loss if something were to happen to her voice, no? :-( ========================================================================= "It's not my fault!" -- Various Greg Bueno bueno@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu ========================================================================= From MarcMarc@aol.com Wed Jul 27 05:00:11 1994 Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by mail2.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id FAA22533; Wed, 27 Jul 1994 05:00:10 -0700 From: MarcMarc@aol.com Received: from mail02.prod.aol.net by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA27538; Wed, 27 Jul 94 04:58:25 -0700 Received: by mail02.prod.aol.net (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA06684; Wed, 27 Jul 1994 07:58:23 -0400 X-Mailer: America Online Mailer Sender: "MarcMarc" Message-Id: <9407270758.tn231363@aol.com> To: jitr-request@presto.ig.com Date: Wed, 27 Jul 94 07:58:22 EDT Subject: Re: Sinead's vocal technique? Status: OR > Sinead has a very hazardous habit of gasping for her breaths. This is not > a good thing for the vocal chords. My voice teacher last semester said gasping > puts 50 lbs of pressure on the larynx. Now, imagine doing an entire tour > with that habit... I agree... and it's a vocal technique I've personally never cared much for. Marc From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Jul 27 12:44:09 1994 Return-Path: Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by netcom.com (8.6.8.1/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id MAA16790; Wed, 27 Jul 1994 12:44:06 -0700 Received: from presto.ig.com by remarque.berkeley.edu (8.6.8.1/1.31) id MAA08259; Wed, 27 Jul 1994 12:39:44 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA03138; Wed, 27 Jul 94 12:19:57 -0700 Received: from vms.bgu.ac.il by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA03132; Wed, 27 Jul 94 12:19:16 -0700 Received: by BGUVMS via SMTP (HUyMail-V6l); Wed, 27 Jul 94 22:18:47 0200 Received: by bengus (5.57/BGU-1.0 ) id AA28888; Wed, 27 Jul 94 22:06:17 +0400 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 94 22:06:17 +0400 From: orit@indigo.bgu.ac.il Message-Id: <9407271806.AA28888@bengus> To: jitr@presto.ig.com Subject: Re: Sinead's vocal technique? Status: OR Greg wrote >As I listened, >something alarmed me about Sinead's vocal technique. > >Sinead has a very hazardous habit of gasping for her breaths. This is not >a good thing for the vocal chords. My voice teacher last semester said gasping >puts 50 lbs of pressure on the larynx. Now, imagine doing an entire tour >with that habit... > >I hope Sinead has rectified this. It'd be our loss if something were to happen >to her voice, no? :-( Well, she did say she was going to study opera or something. Did she? BTW, I'm even more worried about her smoking. Don't want to hear her as Marianne Faithful... Orit