From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Jun 1 10:49:16 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA25554; Tue, 1 Jun 93 10:44:49 -0700 Received: from NYU.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA25550; Tue, 1 Jun 93 10:44:45 -0700 Received: by cmcl2.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA29448; Tue, 1 Jun 93 13:45:21 -0400 Received: from flatline.bears by bear.com (4.1/SMI-4.0/JMD+AR+DJS) id AA21905; Tue, 1 Jun 93 11:49:23 EDT Received: from localhost by flatline.bears (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11408; Tue, 1 Jun 93 11:49:49 EDT Message-Id: <9306011549.AA11408@flatline.bears> To: jitr Subject: Re: Sinead in the Guardian In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 28 May 93 12:34:50 +0000. <"frigate.do.343:28.04.93.11.35.03"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 93 11:49:49 -0400 From: jmd@bear.com Status: OR In your message you write: Matthias, you might want to ask yourself what the purpose of this communication which you desire is -- what needs does it serve? I doubt that there is anything new which she is likely to tell you which has not already appeared in print. My guess is that this communication has a lot more to do with your own desires. Why is it important for you to speak with her? If it is just to be able to say "I met Sinead", or ask questions which have been asked a thousand times, then I would urge you to leave the woman alone. That's what she requests, and if you truly honor her, then you will honor her request. Josh AKA Spidey!!! -- You don't hunt ducks with a turnip! /\ \ / /\ Josh Diamond jmd@bear.com //\\ .. //\\ AKA Spidey!!! ...!ctr.columbia.edu!ursa!jmd //\(( ))/\\ / < `' > \ Do whatever it takes. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Jun 2 02:26:58 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA03726; Wed, 2 Jun 93 02:24:14 -0700 Received: from [155.198.191.3] by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA03722; Wed, 2 Jun 93 02:24:08 -0700 Received: from localhost by frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <20396-0@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk>; Wed, 2 Jun 1993 10:23:53 +0100 To: jitr Subject: Something's going wrong Date: Wed, 02 Jun 93 10:23:46 +0100 From: Matthias Radestock Message-Id: <"frigate.do.410:02.05.93.09.24.11"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Status: OR Some of my mails to JITR have mysteriously disappeared or arrived in the wrong order. So let me summarize the content again: 1. I won't make any attempts to meet her other than at the concert on Saturday. 2. I met her on Monday at the PG concert. I had asked one of the staff to tell her that I want to talk to her about her beliefs and nothing but her beliefs. It would have been very easy for her to refuse. BUT SHE DIDN'T. It was her entirely her own decision. The questions I asked had not been asked before (at least none of them was answered in any interview). I explained my point of view to her. I didn't wanted to bother her for too long (there was a party about to start). 3. She knows that I will be in Dublin next Saturday. There are many questions left. I will ask her to give me an address where I can send letters to, so I don't have to bother her any more. Most of the questions are better discussed in writing anyway. 4. I mentioned JITR (I didn't had the time to explain the details to her). As I expected she referred to her management. I told her that it is difficult to talk to these people and asked her to pass my business card to them and to tell them to take the matter serious. She promised to do that, although I'm not sure whether she really will - she seemed to be rather fed up with anything concerning media/publicity. Thanks God I didn't start the conversation with this subject. Anyway, could somebody write a sort of introduction to the Internet/News-Groups/Mailing-Lists and explain what JITR is all about? It has to be understood by people who haven't got a clue about computing. Try to explain what advantages it would bring if we received regulary updated information from them, that we can hold surveys etc. Be careful not to restrict the whole thing to her music. And make sure that it doesn't look as if we idolized her. I haven't got the time to do this. I've got other things to do until Saturday :-) I know that some of you will be jealous. Furthermore, if I want to get anywhere I can't reveal all I know. It's exactly because I don't want to cause her embarassment by making things public she didn't wanted to. I hope you will understand this. Anyway, the very fact that I write this mail should show you that I will keep you up to date. I just won't tell you all the details. OK? I have to consider my next steps very carfully. I wouldn't trust people I have talked to for just 5 minutes. And so will she. So there is still a long way to go. I've already got more than I expected though. Matthias --------------------------------------------------------------- Matthias Radestock rade@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de mr3@doc.ic.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------- PS: She's got her head shaved again. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Jun 2 02:26:58 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA03726; Wed, 2 Jun 93 02:24:14 -0700 Received: from [155.198.191.3] by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA03722; Wed, 2 Jun 93 02:24:08 -0700 Received: from localhost by frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <20396-0@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk>; Wed, 2 Jun 1993 10:23:53 +0100 To: jitr Subject: Something's going wrong Date: Wed, 02 Jun 93 10:23:46 +0100 From: Matthias Radestock Message-Id: <"frigate.do.410:02.05.93.09.24.11"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Status: OR Some of my mails to JITR have mysteriously disappeared or arrived in the wrong order. So let me summarize the content again: 1. I won't make any attempts to meet her other than at the concert on Saturday. 2. I met her on Monday at the PG concert. I had asked one of the staff to tell her that I want to talk to her about her beliefs and nothing but her beliefs. It would have been very easy for her to refuse. BUT SHE DIDN'T. It was her entirely her own decision. The questions I asked had not been asked before (at least none of them was answered in any interview). I explained my point of view to her. I didn't wanted to bother her for too long (there was a party about to start). 3. She knows that I will be in Dublin next Saturday. There are many questions left. I will ask her to give me an address where I can send letters to, so I don't have to bother her any more. Most of the questions are better discussed in writing anyway. 4. I mentioned JITR (I didn't had the time to explain the details to her). As I expected she referred to her management. I told her that it is difficult to talk to these people and asked her to pass my business card to them and to tell them to take the matter serious. She promised to do that, although I'm not sure whether she really will - she seemed to be rather fed up with anything concerning media/publicity. Thanks God I didn't start the conversation with this subject. Anyway, could somebody write a sort of introduction to the Internet/News-Groups/Mailing-Lists and explain what JITR is all about? It has to be understood by people who haven't got a clue about computing. Try to explain what advantages it would bring if we received regulary updated information from them, that we can hold surveys etc. Be careful not to restrict the whole thing to her music. And make sure that it doesn't look as if we idolized her. I haven't got the time to do this. I've got other things to do until Saturday :-) I know that some of you will be jealous. Furthermore, if I want to get anywhere I can't reveal all I know. It's exactly because I don't want to cause her embarassment by making things public she didn't wanted to. I hope you will understand this. Anyway, the very fact that I write this mail should show you that I will keep you up to date. I just won't tell you all the details. OK? I have to consider my next steps very carfully. I wouldn't trust people I have talked to for just 5 minutes. And so will she. So there is still a long way to go. I've already got more than I expected though. Matthias --------------------------------------------------------------- Matthias Radestock rade@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de mr3@doc.ic.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------- PS: She's got her head shaved again. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Jun 2 05:53:45 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA04724; Wed, 2 Jun 93 05:51:23 -0700 Received: from netcom2.netcom.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA04720; Wed, 2 Jun 93 05:51:21 -0700 Received: by netcom2.netcom.com (5.65/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id AA16904; Wed, 2 Jun 93 05:51:53 -0700 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 93 05:51:53 -0700 From: slf@netcom.com (Sharon Fisher) Message-Id: <9306021251.AA16904@netcom2.netcom.com> To: mr3@doc.ic.ac.uk Cc: jitr In-Reply-To: Matthias Radestock's message of Wed, 02 Jun 93 10:23:46 +0100 <"frigate.do.410:02.05.93.09.24.11"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Subject: Something's going wrong Status: OR 2. I met her on Monday at the PG concert. I had asked one of the staff to tell her that I want to talk to her about her beliefs and nothing but her beliefs. It would have been very easy for her to refuse. BUT SHE DIDN'T. It was her entirely her own decision. That seems like an appropriate way to gain her attention. The questions I asked had not been asked before (at least none of them was answered in any interview). I explained my point of view to her. I didn't wanted to bother her for too long (there was a party about to start). Uh, not to mention the fact that she probably does have other things to do with her time. 3. She knows that I will be in Dublin next Saturday. There are many questions left. I will ask her to give me an address where I can send letters to, so I don't have to bother her any more. Most of the questions are better discussed in writing anyway. Good luck. 4. I mentioned JITR (I didn't had the time to explain the details to her). As I expected she referred to her management. I told her that it is difficult to talk to these people and asked her to pass my business card to them and to tell them to take the matter serious. She promised to do that, although I'm not sure whether she really will - she seemed to be rather fed up with anything concerning media/publicity. I'm not terrbly surprised; she hasn't been treated kindly by the media lately. I know that some of you will be jealous. If you're chalking up the previous outcry about your messages to 'jealousy,' I think you're badly off base. Furthermore, if I want to get anywhere I can't reveal all I know. It's exactly because I don't want to cause her embarassment by making things public she didn't wanted to. I hope you will understand this. Anyway, the very fact that I write this mail should show you that I will keep you up to date. I just won't tell you all the details. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But at the same time you expect members of the list to write up an introduction to the Internet for you, presumably just so we can go to our graves satisfied that Sinead Read Our Words, Oh My! PS: She's got her head shaved again. Not surprising; if she's having a concert she may feel that she had to. Oh well. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Jun 2 06:36:31 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA04921; Wed, 2 Jun 93 06:31:20 -0700 Received: from frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA04917; Wed, 2 Jun 93 06:31:16 -0700 Received: from localhost by frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <08174-0@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk>; Wed, 2 Jun 1993 14:31:27 +0100 To: jitr Subject: Letter Date: Wed, 02 Jun 93 14:31:18 +0100 From: Matthias Radestock Message-Id: <"frigate.do.221:02.05.93.13.31.44"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Status: OR In case I didn't expresss myself clear enough in my previous mail: The letter I would like somebody of the list to write is for her management and not for her. Having them on our side could improve the very nature of this list considerably. If you think we don't need and don't want any support from them let me know and I'll forget the whole thing. Matthias --------------------------------------------------------------- Matthias Radestock rade@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de mr3@doc.ic.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------- From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Jun 2 09:26:58 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA06566; Wed, 2 Jun 93 09:24:16 -0700 Received: from uhura.cc.rochester.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA06562; Wed, 2 Jun 93 09:24:08 -0700 Received: by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (4.1/1.16) id AA26090; Wed, 2 Jun 93 12:20:35 EDT From: Leonidas Hepis Message-Id: <9306021620.AA26090@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: Re: Something's going wrong To: slf@netcom.com (Sharon Fisher) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 93 12:20:34 EDT Cc: mr3@doc.ic.ac.uk, jitr In-Reply-To: <9306021251.AA16904@netcom2.netcom.com>; from "Sharon Fisher" at Jun 2, 93 5:51 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > > I know that some of you will be jealous. > > If you're chalking up the previous outcry about your messages to > 'jealousy,' I think you're badly off base. I don't think he's badly off base. That some of you out there were jealous was one of the first things that came to my mind. Most of you, if you saw Sinead shopping at the grocery store, would go over and talk to her (unless you're very shy) but if someone else does it it's called 'stalking' and we 'should leave her alone in her privacy'. I don't think Matthias ever wanted to be annoying, he was just spelling out all the different options. As he said, the last few (or was it 4/5) were not going to give a good first impression and why would he do it? If I recall well, he emphasized very soon that he didn't plan to resort to the stalking methods. I think he's handling it fine, better than most of you would. > > PS: She's got her head shaved again. (ok, I won't say it this time... :-) -leo -- "The longer I live the more I see that I am never wrong | Leonidas Hepis about anything, and that all the pains I have so humbly | taken to verify my notions have only wasted my time." | lhep_ltd@uhura George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) | .cc.rochester.edu From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Jun 2 09:38:47 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA06808; Wed, 2 Jun 93 09:35:37 -0700 Received: from netcom2.netcom.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA06784; Wed, 2 Jun 93 09:35:28 -0700 Received: by netcom2.netcom.com (5.65/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id AA00472; Wed, 2 Jun 93 09:36:35 -0700 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 93 09:36:35 -0700 From: slf@netcom.com (Sharon Fisher) Message-Id: <9306021636.AA00472@netcom2.netcom.com> To: lhep_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu Cc: mr3@doc.ic.ac.uk, jitr In-Reply-To: Leonidas Hepis's message of Wed, 2 Jun 93 12:20:34 EDT <9306021620.AA26090@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: Something's going wrong Status: OR > I know that some of you will be jealous. > > If you're chalking up the previous outcry about your messages to > 'jealousy,' I think you're badly off base. I don't think he's badly off base. That some of you out there were jealous was one of the first things that came to my mind. Most of you, if you saw Sinead shopping at the grocery store, would go over and talk to her (unless you're very shy) but if someone else does it it's called 'stalking' and we 'should leave her alone in her privacy'. Actually, no, I don't think I would. Also, he wasn't talking about running into her at the grocery store, but hanging around outside her house and her child's school. That's what I referred to as stalking. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Jun 2 13:10:13 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA09287; Wed, 2 Jun 93 13:06:10 -0700 Received: from frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA09283; Wed, 2 Jun 93 13:06:06 -0700 Received: from localhost by frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <09026-0@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk>; Wed, 2 Jun 1993 21:06:44 +0100 To: jitr Cc: slf@netcom.com, lhep_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu Subject: Thanks Date: Wed, 02 Jun 93 21:06:37 +0100 From: Matthias Radestock Message-Id: <"frigate.do.031:02.05.93.20.06.46"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Status: OR Thank you, Leo, for defending me. But also thanks to Sharon for attacking me in the first place. I don't think I would have come so far on Monday without you and I think it will help me on Saturday as well. Actually I could imagine you (Sharon) as being one of the women who formed a semi-circle at the peace rally in Dublin to protect Sinead from reporters :) (see Guardian interview). And to Leo. I think you're right. Most people on the list would attempt to talk to her if they saw her. Sharon seems to be an exception (and I believe her). But to all of us it hopefully became clear what actions are considered reasonable and which are simply stupid. Anything which passes the "Sharon test" will be received well by Sinead, I'm sure :) I'll get a backstage pass for Dublin, BTW. Is anybody out there willing to help me with the letter about Internet/JITR ? Again thanks to all who replied. Matthias --------------------------------------------------------------- Matthias Radestock rade@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de mr3@doc.ic.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------- Last chance to contact me is Thursday until 10pm (London time). I'll be back on Tuesday evening, so you can expect an :-) or :-( in your mail the next day. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Jun 8 11:17:10 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA11629; Tue, 8 Jun 93 11:14:00 -0700 Received: from hpd.lut.ac.uk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA11623; Tue, 8 Jun 93 11:13:54 -0700 Received: from hpl.lut.ac.uk by hpd.lut.ac.uk; Tue, 8 Jun 93 19:14:14 bst Received: by hpl.lut.ac.uk (15.11/SMI-4.1) id AA02809; Tue, 8 Jun 93 19:14:13 bst Message-Id: <9306081814.AA02809@hpl.lut.ac.uk> From: Steev Subject: POP Profiles To: jitr Date: Tue, 8 Jun 93 19:14:12 BST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0 (LUT)] Status: OR Hello folks .. I'm not sure how many Amiga owners are out there, but those of you who are may have heard about 'POP PROFILES'. These are PD discs which contain music, graphics and text about a particular artist or group. I have the (ahem) good fortune to be one of the compilers for the project. I am therefore asking - do you have any writings that you would like to submit? Any scanned/drawn graphics files? Or any cover versions of Sinead's music? Nearly ANY format is acceptable, we've got several converters at our disposal. If so, please mail them to me (or point me to an FTP site). All the work must be completely original (no re-hashes of a Daily Mail story from 1974 :) ) and mildly interesting to either a casual or die-hard fan. The articles can be about anything you like, album reviews, discographies FAQ's, anedotes or background about their previous music projects or private life. I'm not fussy. I hope to recieve piles of mail from you soon, so the discs can be sent around the world (with YOUR name on it) very quickly. If you want to be included in the second batch, make sure I recieve your work by the 28th of June. Steev S.Goodwin1@lut.ac.uk Definition of Mistake: A correct assumption... From mr3@doc.ic.ac.uk Thu Jun 10 02:53:24 1993 Received: from [155.198.191.3] by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA03983; Thu, 10 Jun 93 02:53:17 -0700 Received: from localhost by frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <05808-0@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk>; Thu, 10 Jun 1993 10:54:04 +0100 To: mcb Subject: Sinead interview Date: Thu, 10 Jun 93 10:53:46 +0100 From: Matthias Radestock Message-Id: <"frigate.do.810:10.05.93.09.54.08"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Status: OR Here is the interview again which Sinead did with ITV. I've corrected a couple of spelling mistakes. So it should be ready to store at the ftp-site now. --- Interview with the British TV station ITV. Faith & Music : Sinead O'Connor ITV 09/05/93 transcribed by Matthias Radestock 11/05/93 ----------------------------------------------------------------- "I'm not a liar and I'm not full of hatred, but I hate lies and so the liars hate me. But the war has started now and truth will win." ... I was born in, well I wasn't born in but I lived in Glenagerry in county Dublin near the sea. I've an older brother, an older sis- ter, then me, then my younger brother. And my parents separated when I was quite young. My mother was a very violent woman, not a healthy woman mentally at all. She was physically and verbally and psychologically, spiritually and emotionally abusive to all of us. We were battered children basically. I was a battered child - well I am still, although I'm not being battered anymore. So things were fairly spiritually devoid - not surprisingly. I was born on the 8th of December which in this country is a na- tional holiday. It's the feast of immaculate conception. So I al- ways felt a kind of a, you know, connection with the mother of God anyway, because I always used to get these birthday cards that my mother used to give me, with a lovely painting of the im- maculate conception on it. But mostly I'd say the way I got into God and - that was because of the circumstances I was growing up under, because I was so frightened all the time and I was so, I mean, the situation we were growing up in was such hell, that there was nothing that could possibly save us. So when I was a very young child I asked God to help me to get out of this situa- tion and if he did I promised that I'd work for him as soon as I was able to and do whatever I could to belong to him and to serve him - which I believe he did do and I believe he did get me out of this situation and that he gave me the live that he gave me by giving me my voice. It was my voice that got me out of this si- tuation. One of the ways of ensuring that we wouldn't get beaten up was, would be, to sing to my mother, because if we sang she would be in good mood and all that stuff. So there was a lot of singing going on. ... I hold the church entirely responsible for the circumstances of my childhood and for the circumstances under which a lot of Irish children are growing up - Ireland being the country which has the highest statistic in Europe of child abuse. I didn't get sucked into Catholicism because I could see subconsciously at a young age, where it's only became conscious recently, that the cause of my own abuse was the church's affect on this country, which had produced my mother through her own family, through the genera- tions of her family which came down since the beginning of time, who were of cause affected by what the British did in this coun- try, which they couldn't have done without, and most people don't know this, without permission from the Roman Catholic Church, which is still available in writing for everybody to see that the church in fact used the English to do their dirty work in this country. It was never the English that did it. The church gave permission to the English knowing that they had a policy of using starvation as a means of controlling people to come into this country. And they gave this permission for money and in the name of Jesus Christ. ...... And what the English did was they took away our right to speak our own language. They paid the people who were starving to death 2 pounds to teach their children English and would ???? to make sure that they couldn't speak Irish. They took away our right to practice our own religion. They took away - that's the most im- portant thing- our right to educate ourselves. Then what happened was we were killed, like for trying to go to school. We had to hide in bushes to go to school. So what happened was that the church then came in and set up the only schools that we were al- lowed to go to. And in those schools they told us lies. To this day Irish children will be taught in their history books that there was a famine in this country when in fact there was never a famine in this country, there was a potato blight. But the British doing the job for the Vatican, had made a law that Irish people were only allowed to eat potatoes. All the other food - and the shipping lists are still available for everyone to see today- hundreds of tons of meat, fish, eggs, poultry, milk, well, everything else, vegetables, were shipped out of the country under armed guard while the Irish people were starving to death. There was never a famine, but yet still the Catholic Church, who set up the only schools that we were allowed to go to, told us lies. And I really believe that when you take people away from the truth of their history you're not allowing - like we weren't allowed to be Irish, just as I would compare Ireland to an abused child, just as the child wasn't allowed to be a child the people weren't allowed to be Irish. And I think that the fact that we were taken away form the truth of our history and what we're really supposed to be is what made us manifest in our houses domestic child abuse because of the frustration of not knowing who we were. ...... My first album then, being called "The Lion and the Cobra", I suppose is the most representative of what I'm talking about. It's psalm 91 which says: 'For he will command his angles con- cerning you, to guard you in all your ways. They will lift you up in their hands so that you will not strike your foot against a stone. You will tread upon the lion and the cobra; you'll trample the great lion and the serpent.'. Basically: you gotta look after you. So to me the Lion and the Cobra that needed to be trampled on were the facts of my abuse and that's what the album was. ... I believe very much that the world is in this awful evil state that it's in because we were taken away from God. The only thing that can possibly save us is God. That's the only thing that can possibly save us. And the only thing that will make us wake up and realise that we've been lied to and even though, even though we think we believe in God, we don't. We're using God's name to do all this evil. ...... I didn't believe for a long time, I found it hard to cope with the idea, that Jesus was actually, you know, God manifested in a human body. I do believe that that's true now, but I also believe that Jesus Christ is actually a spirit. It's a sprit that can ex- ist through all of us. That God lives inside us and that we can bring that sprit that is Jesus Christ into the world through our- selves, if we're in touch with our instincts, which is how God speaks to us - through our instincts. And what they did was to teach us to ignore all of our instincts so that we think God was outside. They brought us up never to trust our emotions or our feelings or our instincts. So what I believe is that Jesus Christ is a spirit which lives inside all of us and which can be brought into the world through all of us, basically. I also believe that the man himself, hmm, they say that the word Christ means 'a Pri- est King', one who was a priest king, and I do believe that he was and actually by rights and by blood and by descent the king of the Jewish people, the descendant of the royal house of David, that he was the king of Israel which was at that time under oc- cupation by the Roman Empire just as Ireland was at that time we're talking about by the British. And there is a lot of evi- dence which suggests that he in fact led an armed insurrection against the Roman occupation of his country, which i do believe. Historically it's proven that crucifixion was only a punishment for one crime, which was armed insurrection against the state. So I believe that he did lead an armed insurrection as the king of the Jewish people against the Roman state and it failed. I do be- lieve that he was married,. There's no way that he wouldn't have been. For a Rabbi not being married those days would have been outrageous. Therefore I do believe that he had children and therefore his descendants are still alive somewhere in the world, yeah. ... When I wrote "ou estle roi perdu?" I wanted to see if they might respond - the descendants of that man who was the king of the Jewish people, the descendants of the whole royal house of David where ever they may be. Because I believe very much that's like a bad time they got off there asses, really, and come to help us all, because we're in trouble. I believe that God is gonna show up in the next I'd say five years. And to me God is truth, the truth of everything that is inside human beings but also the truth of what's being going on throughout history. And I think the way that God is gonna show up is through the truth being re- vealed to us - there being physical prove of the truth that we haven't known up until now. And I don't mean that I think, you know, wooooooooo - God is going to show up like some kind of spirit, you know, or a Jesus Christ. I think what will happen is that the truth will be revealed and that's how God works, that God is truth and nothing is hidden. Of course that will not be revealed. That's what I mean when I say I think God is gonna show up. That there's going to be so much physical evidence, physical prove to people that what we've been given to believing is a lie that there won't be any way denying it. And therefore there will be the immediate return to the Garden of Eden which is the cir- cumstances under which we were supposed to live in the first place. ... ... >From the time I was at very young age I used to run away from home a lot when I was really, you know, a ???? and that. And I can remember wondering around the place by myself, singing to my- self, yeah and making up songs to myself. Singing and writing for me was a way of - it started as protection obviously. It started as a way of expressing my own pain and my own frustration which I couldn't keep silent although everyone around me was keeping it silent, like, like we see happening in the public arena - people keep quiet. They don't scream and shout, particularly about child abuse. What happens in most people's houses is that there's silence about it - the wall of silence. And I was determined to keep screaming and shouting, because if I didn't I would have died, I couldn't stand the feelings I had inside me. And I've al- ways been that kind of person that I have to get it out or it will kill me. ...... I did the album "Am I Not Your Girl" because I like the music but principally I used the fact of being able to make an album of music that I like, in order to create the circumstances under which I could conduct my own fight against what I see as being evil. And the tools that I can use are the fact that I am a famous person and therefore can attract a lot of attention and can create a lot of discussion, which I obviously did by ripping up the picture of the Pope. I could never, never regret it now. I'm very proud that I did it, I'm very happy that I did it. Because I understand both on an in- dividual level and a social level why I did it. And I'm only sor- ry that I hadn't done my therapy years ago so I would have been able to survive that abuse without being affected by, which I feel that I have very much been physically and emotionally, spir- itually and psychologically affected by the abuse that I've ex- perienced, having ripped up the picture. And I don't mean the booing in Madison Square Garden, I mean general abuse. And if I didn't believe in God I would find that - I do find it very painful - the fact that I believe in God allows me to believe that it's all OK. You know what I mean? That it all will be OK. You know what I mean? Whereas, If I didn't, like, I'd be dead. But actually speaking of that - I mean, the whole, Jesus, I came that close to slitting my throat, THAT close to slitting my throat. I never thought about suicide before the whole Pope thing happened. I just couldn't deal with what - what they were doing was triggering everything because I hadn't dealt with it. You know what I mean? And really was - the amount of times - if I had had something I would have slit my throat. Jake was the only thing that stopped me from it, you know. If I didn't have a child I would have killed myself way before now. ... He is quite special. And to me he's always been a comfort even when he was a tiny baby. And that's what that song talks about - times when I was really messed up. And he would just look at me sometimes and just rub my face, like, and smile like me, like he know there was something up, and just smiled like me as if to say: 'It's all cool, don't worry.' ...... I heard him saying as prayers in the church one day - we had been in Galway and he had been out walking in these farm that we were staying on with these dogs. And I heard him saying this prayer in the church and he said: 'I hope you enjoyed the walk with me and the dogs.' You know, to him. And I never said it to him. To him God is something that is with him constantly. He went out for a walk with the two dogs and God, as far as he was concerned. And when he said this prayers he said: 'Hope you liked the walk.', which I think is really nice, the idea. If we remembered that God is something that is with us that we're not by ourselves, we're not on our own. You know what I mean? And for a little child like him, I think it's amazing. I think he is a very special individu- al. I think you gotta watch out for him. If you think I was a troublemaker, fasten your seatbelts, Jake Reynolds is on the way. ... I was determined that I was going to be like a servant of God by serving the truth, by by, phhh, in my own individual as well, which is not an easy thing to do - to face the truth in oneself. You know what I mean? To be truthful. To always, always tell the truth because I could see from a very young age, as I said ear- lier on, that what was happening in my house was happening be- cause there was a lie. Somewhere there was a lie which we still haven't found out yet but we will. ... What that video is about; basically it was the explanation and reason for why I did the whole thing, which was to expose that fact that the persuade of material success has resulted in the manifestation of child abuse which is destroying the world be- cause all the evil is committed by those of us who have been abused as children and not dealt with it, and on one level or another. Now, the reason for why we're pursuing money so much is because Christ's representatives on earth did it. They set us that example. The ones who represented God told us that that's what we ought to do. That's what they still tell us and continue to tell us, by example. And that was the whole point which I was trying to make by making that song and making that album basical- ly. And I was kinda worried that God was going to be really upset with me, like for doing this kind of stuff. But then I realised, yeah I am angry. And I've every right to be angry. There's no way I'm going to shut my mouth. I'm a battered child and the whole bloody world is going to know about it. The same as they're going to know about every other battered child. They're not going to be able to shut us up just because they don't want to hear about it. ...... So being a Christian I have to do in any given situation what I believe Christ would have done, which is basically love people and understand people no matter what they've done or no matter how terrible the thing is they've done. And if that was put into practice really that's the only way we could survive. And I'd say that's what I've been trying to communicate. And that's what I've used whatever power I had in order to try to do. And the only power I did have was the fact that I'm a celebrity. ... ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Matthias Radestock rade@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de mr3@doc.ic.ac.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------- From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Jun 11 08:38:06 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA12588; Fri, 11 Jun 93 08:35:54 -0700 Received: from ATHENA-AS-WELL.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA12584; Fri, 11 Jun 93 08:35:51 -0700 Received: from CARMEL.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA17583; Fri, 11 Jun 93 11:36:43 EDT Received: by carmel (5.57/4.7) id AA01412; Fri, 11 Jun 93 11:36:41 -0400 Message-Id: <9306111536.AA01412@carmel> To: jitr Subject: Sinead full page ad (forwarded) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 93 11:36:39 EDT From: Angelos Kyrlidis Status: OR Hi, This appeared in rec.music.misc, and I am forwarding it here for obvious reasons. From: pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney) Subject: Sinead Whines.... Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1993 10:41:29 GMT Full Page Advertisment on Page 9 of The Irish Times, Thursday, June 10, 1993 My name is Sine'ad O'Connor. I am learning to love myself. I am deserving. I deserve to be treated with respect. I deserve not to be treated like dirt. I deserve to be listened to. I am a member of the human race. I deserve not to be hurt. My name is Sine'ad O'Connor. I am a woman. I have something to offer. I am and have always been carrying a lot of grief for my lost childhood. And for the effects of its horror and violence on my life. I am grieving the loss of my mother and father. I am grieving the loss of my brothers and sister. The division of my family. The loss of my SELF. My own inner child Who is really me. (Remember you do not know me). Who was tortured and abandoned and spat at and abused. Who has been beaten naken until she was bruised. Who has grown up with no sense of self-esteem. No sense of trust. No ability to be intimate and who therefore is in very great pain which needs to be looked at and worked through and expressed. So that I can be free of its effects on my life. Which are many and varied. I have been experiencing the need to be held. Which I have realized Is the governor of all my behaviours. Both productive and destructive. This is why I didn't show up on Saturday... I find it hard to be myself. To show my feelings. To get to the joy I need to release the pain which is blocking me. If I don't do this I will not survive. If I don't do this I'll never be the singer I am capable of being if only I can love myself. If only I can fight off the voices of my parents and gather a sense of self-esteem. Then I'll be able to REALLY sing. Which is what I want more than anything else in the world. Recovery has always been my only goal. I have used my voice in every way. It is my life. The only think I put even before my son. I've run away from the pain of not having been held For all my life. Until now. And when the feelings of loss came up this time I decided not to run away but to go with them. Feel them and release them So as to be free of them. I had to be myself. I couldn't deal with being "Sine'ad O'Connor" for the day. I have become very self-conscious and frightened as a result of being "famous" One doesn't see one's self reflected in the morror. I lost my Self. I cannot sing until I'm ready to be myself. And here's how you could help. Stop hurting me please. Saying mean things about me. I've been in public since I was only twenty. Still a very sad baby. But I could sing then because I wsn't frightened. I know I've been angry but I'm full of love really do you think you could stop hurting me? It is suffocating me. Please? It's an accident that I got "famous". But I think it proves that there are a lot of people out there like me. It is their pain, which they hear and see also in me -- being expressed which made them respond to that song or to my songs or my voice. I represent a group of people. Adult-Children we are called. Those of us who have lost our childhoods. We make up 96% of the human race believe it or not. We are in very great pain. Which if it is to be healed must be expressed Or we will continue to turn our grief inwards as we do until it becomes anger and we self-destruct. The ways in which we do that are also many and varied! What goes on in the sitting room goes on in the public arena. War in Tibet, war in Africa, war in Ireland, war in Bosnia. Do you know that the Serbian leader's parents killed themselves when he was only a nipper. And he is !acting out" the rage and grief he has never delt with. I swear to you that this is true. What have the other leaders been through? I've been trying to give this information. Because I know it can help the whole human situation. I was angry before because I was frightened. I know if you could really listen you'd see that we do not know what we are doing. When we mock the expression of human feeling. When we scoff at the sound of our children's keening. There is a mirror into which we are not looking. love Sine'aid O'Connor. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- All I can say is :-( Poor Sinead... Angelos ' Battered taxis in the marketplace, narrow streets, little alleyways I was restless, kind of breathless, still trapped in the past' -Tom Robinson From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sat Jun 12 01:42:41 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA22497; Sat, 12 Jun 93 01:39:56 -0700 Received: from frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA22493; Sat, 12 Jun 93 01:39:49 -0700 Received: from localhost by frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <10607-0@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk>; Sat, 12 Jun 1993 09:40:37 +0100 To: jitr Subject: Sinead Date: Sat, 12 Jun 93 09:40:26 +0100 From: Matthias Radestock Message-Id: <"frigate.do.628:12.05.93.08.40.40"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Status: OR OK, after she has explained herself I think it's time for me to tell you the story (although I can't tell you everything): Thursday (last week) evening Sinead rang up the Peace Together office here in London to make arrangements for the stage setup in Dublin (io). Friday morning the office received a fax from her saying "I have to pull out for personal problems to great to overcome at the moment" (no exact quote) (o). Her management didn't know anything about that. (io) The organizers still tried to get her to do it. (io) Sinead had appeared on the concert of An Emotional Fish in Dublin on Thursday. (o) Despite the fact that she'd pulled out, the organizers didn't say a bad word about her. They couldn't understand it, but believed that she must have had reasons. (io) Sinead also cancelled a appearance on a TV show which was to feature the project on Sunday. (o) Her crisis isn't that deep - she doesn't sit in her house crying all day, still I'm a bit worried (for reasons I can't mention). o...official information (e.g. taken from newspapers) io..well, what shall I say... --------------------------------------------------------------- Matthias Radestock rade@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de mr3@doc.ic.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------- Two remarkable things about the statement: a) she doesn't mention God at all b) she puts singing before her child Jake (I got a different impression however, but when she says so...) From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Jun 14 02:37:57 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA05261; Mon, 14 Jun 93 02:36:15 -0700 Received: from [155.198.191.3] by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA05257; Mon, 14 Jun 93 02:36:12 -0700 Received: from localhost by frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <19912-0@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk>; Mon, 14 Jun 1993 10:36:49 +0100 To: jitr Subject: Peace Together Date: Mon, 14 Jun 93 10:36:41 +0100 From: Matthias Radestock Message-Id: <"frigate.do.918:14.05.93.09.37.06"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Status: OR I met the organizers again, on Saturday at the Fleadh Festival here in London. They told me that they still want to stage two concerts in Belfast and London, with Peter Gabriel and Sinead O'Connor (both had pulled out at the last minute, for very different reasons though). They again confirmed that even Sinead's management is just baffled by her actions. So they'll make sure not to depend on Sinead's contribution this time. But again, no bad word about Peter or Sinead. It just took the organizers some time to realize that doing business with any of them is not the easiest thing to do. Aeeh, BTW in Dublin I also met a guy (musician) who had seen Sinead playing an accoustic set in that very pub we were sitting in a couple of weeks ago. Just imagine - you go to your local pub and suddenly Sinead shows up with a guitar and starts to sing in front of 20 people !!! The guy said that at that day he finally realized why she is a "star". It must have been a very impressive performance (but hey, what else would you expect from Sinead!). --------------------------------------------------------------- Matthias Radestock rade@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de mr3@doc.ic.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------- "I don't associate myself with all of the people I can do without, Those who never leave me in any doubt That there selfish narrow lives are all they care about." --Anne Clark "World Without Warning"-- From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Jun 14 08:32:11 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA07508; Mon, 14 Jun 93 08:30:37 -0700 Received: from net.bio.net by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA07504; Mon, 14 Jun 93 08:30:33 -0700 Received: from frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk by net.bio.net (5.65/IG-2.0) with SMTP id AA20660; Mon, 14 Jun 93 08:31:19 -0700 Received: from localhost by frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <17549-0@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk>; Mon, 14 Jun 1993 16:27:58 +0100 To: jitr Subject: General Support for Sinead Date: Mon, 14 Jun 93 16:27:48 +0100 From: Matthias Radestock Message-Id: <"frigate.do.552:14.05.93.15.28.00"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Status: OR Sinead's statement was very well received in the Irish public. It was the topic of the day on Thursday - at least in Dublin. Some people reportedly started crying in public when they read it!! It seems that Sinead again did exactly the right thing at the right time. There is a half-page followup from a journalist in the Saturday issue of the Irish Times. Very supportive too. She also mentioned that Sinead appeared on a radio-show the other day, where people were given the opportunity to call in and ask her questions. Again most of the callers supported her. Sinead reportedly handled all the calls convincingly. So apparently she feels like appearing in public again - she seems to have overcome the worst of the crisis. At the "home front" there is support from her management, Chrysalis and Ensign. Her record contract is secure as well. She's signed to Ensign (and not to one of the people who quitted the company two weeks ago). Ensign is entirely owned by Chrysalis which in turn is owned by EMI. So things look rather good. I'm relieved. Hey, I was in Dublin at the time when she went through the worst part of her crisis. So you can imagine that the impression I got of her left me with every reason to worry about her. I can't quite understand why she got into this in the first place. At was at the end of a week in which the audience at three concerts in Dublin and London had welcomed her with a huge round of applause. So if that didn't gave her a sense of self-esteem, what else can people do? So why, WHY, WHY? Of course there are people who hate, abuse and hurt her, but these people have been around all the time. So why this crisis? My only guess is that something very personal must have happend. Something really horrible. We'll probably never get to know. The other thing is - she pleads for support, but on the other hand wants to be left alone. So what? How can people express their support then? I really would like to write to her and express my support, but I won't. I won't because I don't know whether this would be the right way to do it. --------------------------------------------------------------- Matthias Radestock rade@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de mr3@doc.ic.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------- BTW, is their still somebody subscribed to this list? Or am I writing this stuff for myself? From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Jun 14 09:54:06 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA08713; Mon, 14 Jun 93 09:52:48 -0700 Received: from netcom2.netcom.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA08709; Mon, 14 Jun 93 09:52:45 -0700 Received: by netcom2.netcom.com (5.65/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id AA19357; Mon, 14 Jun 93 09:54:06 -0700 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 93 09:54:06 -0700 From: slf@netcom.com (Sharon Fisher) Message-Id: <9306141654.AA19357@netcom2.netcom.com> To: mr3@doc.ic.ac.uk Cc: jitr In-Reply-To: Matthias Radestock's message of Mon, 14 Jun 93 16:27:48 +0100 <"frigate.do.552:14.05.93.15.28.00"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Subject: General Support for Sinead Status: OR Sometimes the best way to support someone is to leave them alone. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Jun 14 13:36:42 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA11343; Mon, 14 Jun 93 13:34:48 -0700 Received: from uhura.cc.rochester.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA11337; Mon, 14 Jun 93 13:34:41 -0700 Received: by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (4.1/1.16) id AA06993; Mon, 14 Jun 93 16:33:46 EDT From: Leonidas Hepis Message-Id: <9306142033.AA06993@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: Re: General Support for Sinead To: mr3@doc.ic.ac.uk (Matthias Radestock) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 93 16:33:45 EDT Cc: jitr In-Reply-To: <"frigate.do.552:14.05.93.15.28.00"@doc.ic.ac.uk>; from "Matthias Radestock" at Jun 14, 93 4:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > The other thing is - she pleads for support, but on the other hand wants > to be left alone. So what? How can people express their support then? > > I really would like to write to her and express my support, but I won't. I > won't because I don't know whether this would be the right way to do it. > I don't know what's wrong with her anymore. In the past I used to think that her actions were justified because of what she's been through, but her problems keep on going and going and going like that darn energizer rabbit... Has she ever considered *professional* help rather than trying to deal with it on her own? I would wish she'd get some so that she can relax. Let a professional advice her on how to deal with it. I know this will mean no more 'Troy's but I'd rather do without that than have a favorite female singer who switches moods at remarkable speeds. > BTW, is their still somebody subscribed to this list? Or am I writing this > stuff for myself? The latter. :-) -leo -- "The longer I live the more I see that I am never wrong | Leonidas Hepis about anything, and that all the pains I have so humbly | taken to verify my notions have only wasted my time." | lhep_ltd@uhura George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) | .cc.rochester.edu From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Jun 14 14:15:24 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA12087; Mon, 14 Jun 93 14:12:34 -0700 Received: from ATHENA-AS-WELL.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA12083; Mon, 14 Jun 93 14:12:32 -0700 Received: from CARMEL.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA17554; Mon, 14 Jun 93 17:13:32 EDT Received: by carmel (5.57/4.7) id AA04319; Mon, 14 Jun 93 17:13:25 -0400 Message-Id: <9306142113.AA04319@carmel> To: jitr Subject: Re: General Support for Sinead In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 14 Jun 93 16:33:45 -0400. <9306142033.AA06993@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 93 17:13:24 EDT From: Angelos Kyrlidis Status: OR Leo writes: >I don't know what's wrong with her anymore. In the past I used to think >that her actions were justified because of what she's been through, but >her problems keep on going and going and going like that darn energizer >rabbit... Well, I guess some problems are more serious than others, and some people can learn to deal with them, while some people cannot. Apparently, Sinead was not prepared for fame, and based on what she has said in the past, she did not pursue fame, and thus was not prepared for what that brought along. >I know this will mean no more 'Troy's but I'd rather do without that than >have a favorite female singer who switches moods at remarkable speeds. Have you heard of Happy Rhodes? But that wasn't the point. Sinead isn't a marketing ploy of a record company, she's a human being. A remarkable, yet troubled human being. I am ready to accept whatever she has to offer. BTW, has the Peace Together single been officially released in the US? I saw imports of it a while back but the steep price made me reconsider buying it. Angelos ------- 'cobwebs everywhere, it's time for a deep sweep...'- hAppy rHodes From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Jun 14 17:02:32 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA15192; Mon, 14 Jun 93 17:00:35 -0700 Received: from garnet-fddi.Berkeley.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA15187; Mon, 14 Jun 93 17:00:29 -0700 Received: by garnet.berkeley.edu (5.64/1.33) id AA03389; Mon, 14 Jun 93 17:00:47 -0700 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1993 16:54:42 -0700 (PDT) From: jack b huynh Subject: Re: General Support for Sinead To: Matthias Radestock Cc: jitr In-Reply-To: <"frigate.do.552:14.05.93.15.28.00"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR of course there's still people subscribe to this list! = ) anyway, i heard some disturbing news about sinead from one of my friends. apparently, sinead (supposedly) wrote a letter (something like angleos sent) to the "big" newspapers in the U.S. asking for support and sympathy. My friend said that the lent was "endorsed" by her agent/record companies. of course I didn't believe it, but my friend sounded real serious about it. i told her that it's totally out of sinead's character to write a letter to the general public (to apologize or whatever reason). if anyone knows anything about this, please enlighten me. thanks jack b huynh as Peppermint Pig 90.7 KALX Berkeley From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Jun 14 18:43:27 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA15993; Mon, 14 Jun 93 18:42:04 -0700 Received: from emoryu1.cc.emory.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA15991; Mon, 14 Jun 93 18:42:02 -0700 Received: from erasure_sl.cc.emory.edu by emoryu1.cc.emory.edu (5.65/Emory_cc.3.4.6) via SMTP id AA05892 ; Mon, 14 Jun 93 21:42:57 -0400 Return-Path: jcorry@erasure.cc.emory.edu Received: by erasure.cc.emory.edu (NX5.67c/NX3.0S) id AA00525; Mon, 14 Jun 93 21:41:28 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 93 21:41:28 -0400 From: Jeremy Corry Message-Id: <9306150141.AA00525@erasure.cc.emory.edu> Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.87.1) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.87.1) To: jitr Subject: Re: General Support for Sinead/Happy Rhodes Status: OR Well, I do think that Sinead has been seeing a therapist of some sort (or is it just hanging out with Peter Gabriel) considering how much psycho-babble her letter is filled with. I truly sympathize with her. And I am a HUGE fan, but I feel as leo, that I would rather have a stable Sinead without Troys than a manic-depressive Sinead who goes between Troy and Broadway standards. Maybe someone could point her toward a therapist who puts her patients on the road to self-sufficiency and strength. Angelos writes: >Have you heard of Happy Rhodes? But that wasn't the point. Sinead isn't a >marketing ploy of a record company, she's a human being. A remarkable, yet >troubled human being. I am ready to accept whatever she has to offer. >'cobwebs everywhere, it's time for a deep sweep...'- hAppy rHodes What exactly do you mean about Happy Rhodes? And what has happened to your shift key? Something I don't know about ecto-woman and her record company? Jeremy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeremy J. Corry | "You never know what you will be attracted jcorry@erasure_sl.cc.emory.edu | to--or who you will love--till it happens NeXT mail welcome __ | to you." Jaye Davidson \/ My opinions are my own, but I probably got them from someone else. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Jun 14 19:42:01 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA16272; Mon, 14 Jun 93 19:40:56 -0700 Received: from ATHENA-AS-WELL.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA16268; Mon, 14 Jun 93 19:40:54 -0700 Received: from E40-008-12.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA02405; Mon, 14 Jun 93 22:41:53 EDT Received: by e40-008-12.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA16639; Mon, 14 Jun 93 22:41:51 -0400 Message-Id: <9306150241.AA16639@e40-008-12.MIT.EDU> To: jitr Subject: Re: General Support for Sinead/Happy Rhodes In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 14 Jun 93 21:41:28 -0400. <9306150141.AA00525@erasure.cc.emory.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 93 22:41:49 EDT From: Angelos Kyrlidis Status: OR I wrote: >Have you heard of Happy Rhodes? But that wasn't the point. Sinead isn't a >marketing ploy of a record company, she's a human being. A remarkable, yet >troubled human being. I am ready to accept whatever she has to offer. >'cobwebs everywhere, it's time for a deep sweep...'- hAppy rHodes Jeremy wrote: >What exactly do you mean about Happy Rhodes? And what has happened to your >shift key? Something I don't know about ecto-woman and her record company? My comment was in response to Leo's comment about no more overly emotional Sinead songs, like 'Troy'. I believe that Happy Rhodes' songs have that quality of exorcising personal demons through very emotional and personal lyrics (at least they have the same effect on me as Troy) and thought I'd put in a good word for her music. :-) Maybe Sinead should listen to Rhodes I and II and Warpaint, I am sure they would make her feel better. 'Don't try to tell me there's no reason for any moment in time, every memory of mine. Those years are lines of color on my face, my past is warpaint', for example is a good example of getting strength from the past and not letting it haunt you, something Sinead should do, IMHO. Ecto-woman has a rather intimate relationship with her record company (it's Kevin's, her SO's)... Shift key mishap? nope, just a leftover shield from old gaffa flame-wars kill files :-) Angelos 'Atmospherics after dark, noise and voices from the past Across the dial from Moscow to Cologne'-Tom Robinson From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Jun 15 02:43:03 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA18764; Tue, 15 Jun 93 02:38:33 -0700 Received: from frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA18760; Tue, 15 Jun 93 02:38:24 -0700 Received: from localhost by frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <08454-0@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk>; Tue, 15 Jun 1993 10:38:51 +0100 To: jack b huynh Cc: jitr Subject: Re: General Support for Sinead In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 14 Jun 93 16:54:42 PDT." Date: Tue, 15 Jun 93 10:38:34 +0100 From: Matthias Radestock Message-Id: <"frigate.do.484:15.05.93.09.39.11"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Status: OR >anyway, i heard some disturbing news about sinead from one of my friends. >apparently, sinead (supposedly) wrote a letter (something like angleos >sent) to the "big" newspapers in the U.S. asking for support and sympathy. >My friend said that the lent was "endorsed" by her agent/record companies. >of course I didn't believe it, but my friend sounded real serious about >it. i told her that it's totally out of sinead's character to write a >letter to the general public (to apologize or whatever reason). if anyone >knows anything about this, please enlighten me. > So what's wrong with that? I mean, who is reading the Irish Times? So if she really wants to "tell the world" it has to be published in other papers as well. The Irish Times advert clearly was addressed to the general public. It's not an apology though but rather she tries to explain the mental state she's in. I don't know whether it works in the states, but in Ireland it did. It was the best thing she could do. Some things you can't express in songs or talk about - at least not that clearly. and "..totally out of sinead's character.." - you seem to know more about her character then she does herself. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Jun 15 08:09:36 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA20811; Tue, 15 Jun 93 08:07:24 -0700 Received: from emoryu1.cc.emory.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA20809; Tue, 15 Jun 93 08:07:21 -0700 Received: by emoryu1.cc.emory.edu (5.65/Emory_cc.3.4.6) via MAILPROG id AA07597 ; Tue, 15 Jun 93 11:08:22 -0400 Return-Path: wparson@unix.cc.emory.edu Date: Tue, 15 Jun 93 11:08:22 -0400 From: wparson@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu (William A. Parsons) Message-Id: <9306151508.AA07597@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> To: jitr Subject: fame Status: OR Angelos writes: >Apparently, Sinead was not prepared for fame, and based on what she has said >in the past, she did not pursue fame..... I'm not intending to be snide about Sinead but I recall a rumor that when she was touring with the Smith's around the time of the Lion and the Cobra, she asked Morrissey how she could be more famous in the U.S.. He supposedly told her to do something like shave her head and that would help get her some attention. Has anyone else heard about this, or was it just some stupid-ass rumor? Later, Will From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Jun 15 12:48:19 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA24872; Tue, 15 Jun 93 12:46:35 -0700 Received: from magellan.geo.usherb.ca by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA24868; Tue, 15 Jun 93 12:46:31 -0700 Received: by magellan.geo.usherb.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA15922; Tue, 15 Jun 1993 15:44:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1993 15:44:00 -0400 From: hgwyn@magellan.geo.usherb.ca (Hugh Gwyn) Message-Id: <9306151944.AA15922@magellan.geo.usherb.ca> To: jitr Subject: re: fame Status: OR wparson wrote: > ...something like shave here head and that would hlep > get her somme attention. I find this hard to beleive, because on the cover of 'Lion and Cobra' here hair is already shriven. -Fil From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Jun 16 02:49:25 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA01372; Wed, 16 Jun 93 02:47:12 -0700 Received: from frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA01368; Wed, 16 Jun 93 02:47:05 -0700 Received: from localhost by frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <26303-0@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk>; Wed, 16 Jun 1993 10:47:49 +0100 To: wparson@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu (William A. Parsons) Cc: jitr Subject: Re: fame In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 15 Jun 93 11:08:22 EDT." <9306151508.AA07597@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 93 10:47:42 +0100 From: Matthias Radestock Message-Id: <"frigate.do.305:16.05.93.09.47.51"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Status: OR Rubbish, she was bald well before she got signed to Ensign. I actually heard that it was an accident. She was standing on the platform and waiting for the train. Somebody had opened a door before the train was standing. She was hit by the door and taken to hospital. That's where she got her head shaved. ..sounds not to unlikely as one can still see a ? (don't know the English word) at her head these days. Of course, why she didn't grow hair afterwards is another story. Matthias From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Jun 16 10:49:04 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA06072; Wed, 16 Jun 93 10:46:09 -0700 Received: from uhura.cc.rochester.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA06068; Wed, 16 Jun 93 10:46:03 -0700 Received: by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (4.1/1.16) id AA10894; Wed, 16 Jun 93 13:46:47 EDT From: Leonidas Hepis Message-Id: <9306161746.AA10894@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: Re: fame To: mr3@doc.ic.ac.uk (Matthias Radestock) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 93 13:46:46 EDT Cc: jitr In-Reply-To: <"frigate.do.305:16.05.93.09.47.51"@doc.ic.ac.uk>; from "Matthias Radestock" at Jun 16, 93 10:47 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > she was bald well before she got signed to Ensign. > > I actually heard that it was an accident. She was standing on the platform > and waiting for the train. Somebody had opened a door before the train was > standing. She was hit by the door and taken to hospital. That's where she > got her head shaved. Sorry, I don't buy this story unless Sinead says it herself. If I recall well from interviews or the book on Sinead, she shaved her head because she thought that more people would listen to her message this way. If she was blonde, she said, with big breasts nobody would pay attention to her lyrics. She said she tried to make herself unattractive so that people would pay more attention to her message than her femininity. > ..sounds not to unlikely as one can still see a ? (don't know the English > word) at her head these days. Of course, why she didn't grow hair > afterwards is another story. Pretty much everyone of us has one of those 'scars' on our heads from our childhood game-accidents. -leo -- "The longer I live the more I see that I am never wrong | Leonidas Hepis about anything, and that all the pains I have so humbly | taken to verify my notions have only wasted my time." | lhep_ltd@uhura George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) | .cc.rochester.edu From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Jun 16 11:47:49 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA06779; Wed, 16 Jun 93 11:45:01 -0700 Received: from frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA06775; Wed, 16 Jun 93 11:44:57 -0700 Received: from localhost by frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <09253-0@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk>; Wed, 16 Jun 1993 19:45:36 +0100 To: Leonidas Hepis Cc: jitr Subject: Re: fame In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 16 Jun 93 13:46:46 EDT." <9306161746.AA10894@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 93 19:45:18 +0100 From: Matthias Radestock Message-Id: <"frigate.do.255:16.05.93.18.45.38"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Status: OR I took this information from a book on Sinead too :) But my story would explain how she got the idea to do exactly this - shaving her head. I guess if a woman wants to look less attractive the first thought is not necessarily to shave the hair. So my information explains how she got the idea and your information explains why she still is bald. Nothing contradictory. It doesn't matter anyway. Matthias BTW, Melody Maker printed the poem as well, but they split it in several parts and added comments - positive though. They also had a statement of Ali McMordie (one of the organizers of the Peace Together project). He told MM basically the same he already told me in Dublin. That they were disappointed but didn't feel any anger towards Sinead. He said that she was the artist who contributed to the project more than anyone else. He also thinks that she really was in big trouble at that day. The Belfast concert will probably go ahead later this summer. But no line-up so far. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Jun 16 12:16:57 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA07007; Wed, 16 Jun 93 12:14:29 -0700 Received: from ATHENA-AS-WELL.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA07003; Wed, 16 Jun 93 12:14:27 -0700 Received: from CARMEL.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA21239; Wed, 16 Jun 93 15:15:30 EDT Received: by carmel (5.57/4.7) id AA06699; Wed, 16 Jun 93 15:15:28 -0400 Message-Id: <9306161915.AA06699@carmel> To: jitr Subject: Sinead in TIME In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 16 Jun 93 19:45:18 +0100. <"frigate.do.255:16.05.93.18.45.38"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 93 15:15:27 EDT From: Angelos Kyrlidis Status: OR The most recent TIME magazine (the one that at least in the US has the cover about prostitution) has a cute little caricature of Sinead as the main theme in the 'people' section. In the accompanying blurb they talk about her involvement in the Shakespeare play, and make a rather silly comment about her poem. If someone can scan the caricature and put it in the archives, it would be nice. Angelos PS. I thought she shaved her head in protest to her label trying to sell her as a Madonna clone. ------- 'if i sound bitter, it's because i'm alone under alien colors in an alien zone and though i speak the language, it isnt' my own, i really don't belong here' -TR From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Jun 17 04:25:45 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA15359; Thu, 17 Jun 93 04:23:29 -0700 Received: from [155.198.191.3] by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA15355; Thu, 17 Jun 93 04:23:23 -0700 Received: from localhost by frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <18327-0@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk>; Thu, 17 Jun 1993 12:22:48 +0100 To: jitr Subject: Poem in US ? Date: Thu, 17 Jun 93 12:22:32 +0100 From: Matthias Radestock Message-Id: <"frigate.do.368:17.05.93.11.23.53"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Status: OR Was Sinead's poem published in any of the newspapers in the US? Was it published anywhere else than in the Irish Times at all? Matthias BTW, she payed about $20.000 from her own money for the ad to ensure that it was printed exactly in the way she wanted it. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Jun 28 00:17:39 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA16561; Mon, 28 Jun 93 00:13:57 -0700 Received: from iitmax.acc.iit.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA16557; Mon, 28 Jun 93 00:13:47 -0700 Received: from elof.iit.edu by iitmax.acc.iit.edu with SMTP id AA06291 (5.64+/IDA/NIU-1.3.1 for jitr@presto.ig.com); Mon, 28 Jun 93 02:14:46 -0500 Received: by elof.iit.edu (NX5.67c/NX3.0S) id AA05405; Mon, 28 Jun 93 02:14:53 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 93 02:14:53 -0500 From: Jason Boardman Message-Id: <9306280714.AA05405@elof.iit.edu> To: jitr Subject: FTP archive Status: OR Can some kind soul tell me the address of the Sinead archive.. I remember it moving a while back, but I lost the address... I want to re-retreive one of the pics I scanned a while back thanks Jason From boarjas@elof.iit.edu Mon Jun 28 09:31:22 1993 Received: from iitmax.acc.iit.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA20271; Mon, 28 Jun 93 09:31:14 -0700 Received: from elof.iit.edu by iitmax.acc.iit.edu with SMTP id AA09661 (5.64+/IDA/NIU-1.3.1 for jitr-request@presto.ig.com); Mon, 28 Jun 93 11:32:19 -0500 Received: by elof.iit.edu (NX5.67c/NX3.0S) id AA01038; Mon, 28 Jun 93 11:32:27 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 93 11:32:27 -0500 From: Jason Boardman Message-Id: <9306281632.AA01038@elof.iit.edu> To: jitr-request Subject: New Discog Cc: boarjas@iitmax.acc.iit.edu Status: OR I noticed that the JITR archive still has the old discog, here is my newest revision. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sinead O'Connor discography: Compiled by: Jason Boardman Special thanks to Adam Weitzman for his original discography, to Inga McVicar for her valuable help, and to the Jump in the River mailing list. This revision: April 30, 1993 ________________________________________________________________________ I have started from scratch and included all Sinead O'Connor's releases and projects that I am aware of. If you know of any recordings which are missing from this list please let me know. I do know that there are many U.S. versions of most of the U.K. singles here but I didn't have the full information on them if you do and there are differences in the tracks on the recordings please mail the info to me. Thanks. Send all comments, additions, corrections, etc. to: boarjas@elof.acc.iit.edu. I hope you find this useful! ________________________________________________________________________ Full Length albums ------------------ The Lion And The Cobra (1988) Jackie Mandinka Jerusalem Just Like U Said It Would B Never Get Old Troy I Want Your (Hands On Me) Drink Before The War Just Call Me Joe I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got (1990) Feel So Different I Am Stretched On Your Grave Three Babies The Emperor's New Clothes Black Boys on Mopeds Nothing Compares 2 U Jump In The River You Cause As Much Sorrow The Last Day of Our Acquaintance I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got Am I Not Your Girl? (1992) Why Don't You Do Right? Bewitched, Bothered, and Bewildered Secret Love Black Coffee Success Has Made A Failure of Our Home Don't Cry For Me Argentina I Want To Be Loved By You Gloomy Sunday Love Letters How Insensitive Scarlet Ribbons Don't Cry For Me Argentina (inst.) CD Singles ---------- Mandinka CD Single (U.K.) (ENYCD 611) (1987) Mandinka Drink Before The War Mandinka (instrumental dub version) Still Listening I Want Your (Hands On Me) CD Single (U.K.) (ENYCD 613) (1988) I Want Your (Hands On Me) (dance mix) I Want Your (Hands On Me) (street mix) I Want Your (Hands On Me) (edited version) Just Call Me Joe Jump In The River CD Single (U.K.) (ENYCD 618) (1988) Jump In The River (duet with Karen Finley) Jump In The River Never Get Old (Live Version) Nothing Compares 2 U CD Single (U.K.) (ENYCD 630) (1990) Nothing Compares 2 U Jump In The River Jump In The River (Instrumental) The Emperor's New Clothes CD Single (U.K.) (ENYCD 633) (1990) The Emperor's New Clothes The Emperor's New Clothes (Hank Shocklee Remix) I Am Stretched On Your Grave (Apple Brightness Mix) I Am Stretched On Your Grave (Night Until Morning Dub Mix) The Emperor's New Clothes CD Single (U.S.) (F2 23585) (1990) The Emperor's New Clothes (LP Version) The Emperor's New Clothes (Main Mix) What Do You Want? Mandinka (Jake's Remix) Three Babies CD Single (U.K.) (ENYCD) (1990) Three Babies Damn Your Eyes Troy (Live version) The Value of Ignorance My Special Child CD Single (U.S.) (F2 23733) (1991) My Special Child Nothing Compares 2 U (Live video version) The Emperor's New Clothes (Live video version) My Special Child (Instrumental Version) Silent Night CD Single (U.K.) (ENYCD 652) (1991) Silent Night Irish Ways and Irish Laws Success Has Made A Failure of Our Home CD Single (U.K. in two parts) Disc One (ENYCDS 656) Success Has Made A Failure of Our Home You Do Something To Me I Want To Be Loved By You Disc Two (ENYCD 656) Success Has Made A Failure of Our Home My Heart Belongs To Daddy Someone To Watch Over Me Don't Cry for Me Argentina CD Single (U.K. in two parts) Disc One (CDENYS 657) Don't Cry For Me Argentina Scarlet Ribbons (live) Love Letters Disc Two (CDENY 657) Don't Cry For Me Argentina Ave Maria Scarlet Ribbons (live) 12" Singles ----------- Troy 12" Single (U.K.) (ENYX 610) (1987) Troy Still Listening Mandinka 12" Single (U.K.) (ENYX 611) (1987) Mandinka (extended version) Mandinka (dub mix) Drink Before The War Mandinka 12" Single (U.K.) (ENYXR 611) (1987) Mandinka (Jake's Remix) Mandinka Drink Before The War I Want Your (Hands On Me) 12" Single (U.K.) (ENYX 613) (1988) I Want Your (Hands On Me) (dance mix) I Want Your (Hands On Me) (street mix) I Want Your (Hands On Me) (edited version) Just Call Me Joe I Want Your (Hands On Me) 12" Single (U.S.) (4V9 43256) (1988) I Want Your (Hands On Me) (edit) I Want Your (Hands On Me) (street mix) I Want Your (Hands On Me) (dance mix) Just Call Me Joe (from a 1987 BBC Radio 1 session) Jump In The River 12" Single (U.K.) (ENYX 618) (1988) Jump In The River (duet with Karen Finley) Jump In The River Never Get Old (live version) Nothing Compares 2 U 12" Single (U.K.) (ENYX 630) (1990) Nothing Compares 2 U Jump In The River Jump In The River (Instrumental) The Emperor's New Clothes 12" Single (U.K.) (ENYX 633) (1990) The Emperor's New Clothes The Emperor's New Clothes (Hank Shocklee Remix) I Am Stretched On Your Grave (Apple Brightness Mix) I Am Stretched On Your Grave (Night Until Morning mix) The Emperor's New Clothes 12" Single (U.S.) (V23569) (1990) The Emperor's New Clothes (Main mix) The Emperor's New Clothes (Radio Edit) I Am Stretched On Your Grave (Apple Brightness Mix) I Am Stretched On Your Grave (Night Until Morning Dub/Earthapella) Three Babies 12" Single (U.K.) (ENYX 635) (1990) Three Babies Damn Your Eyes Troy (live version) The Value of Ignorance 7" Singles ---------- Troy 7" Single (U.K.) (ENY 610) (1987) Troy Still Listening Mandinka 7" Single (U.K.) (ENY 611) (1987) Mandinka Drink before The War (also available in gatefold sleeve) I Want Your (Hands On Me) 7" Single (U.K.) (ENY 613) (1988) I Want Your (Hands On Me) Just Call Me Joe Jump In The River 7" Single (U.K.) (ENY 618) (1988) Jump In The River Never Get Old Nothing Compares 2 U 7" Single (U.K.) (ENY 630) (1990) Nothing Compares 2 U Jump In The River Nothing Compares 2 U 7" Single (U.K.) (ENYB 630) (1990) Nothing Compares 2 U Jump In The River (7-inch boxed set with poster and badge) The Emperor's New Clothes 7" Single (U.K.) (ENY 633) (1990) The Emperor's New Clothes What Do You Want The Emperor's New Clothes 7" Single (U.K.) (ENYB 633) (1990) The Emperor's New Clothes What Do You Want (7-inch boxed set with poster and postcards) Three Babies 7" Single (U.K.) (ENY 635) (1990) Three Babies Troy (live version) Success Has Made A Failure of Our Home 7" Single (U.K.) (ENY 656) (1992) Success Has Made A Failure of Our Home You Do Something To Me Don't Cry For Me Argentina 7" Single (U.K.) (ENY 657) (1992) Don't Cry For Me Argentina Ave Maria Appearances on other albums --------------------------- The Edge Soundtrack to CAPTIVE. Vocals/Lyrics on "Heroine" Also a 12" Single of Heroine (Mix I & II) VariousArtists Soundtrack to Married to Mob. "Jump In The River" Various Artists STAY AWAKE. (Interpretations of various Disney Songs) "Someday My Prince Will Come" The The Mind Bomb. Backup vocals on "Kingdom of Rain" Various Artists New Route Sampler cassette. "Nothing Compares 2 U" Waters, Roger (+other artists) The Wall: Live in Berlin. "Mother" Various Artists Red Hot + Blue. "You Do Something to me." World Party Private Revolution. Backup vocals on "Hawaiian Island World" World Party Goodbye Jumbo. Backing vocals on "Sweet Soul Dream" Wobble, Jah and the Invaders of the Heart Rising Above Bedlam. Backing vocals on "Visions of You" 12" Single Also Available for Visions of You with many mixes. Wobble, Jah and the Invaders of the Heart The Ungodly Kingom EP. Vocals on "Josey Walsh" Various Artists Two Rooms (Elton John/Bernie Taupin tribute). "Sacrifice" Various Artists Never Mind The Mainstream (MTV 120 Minutes Compilation) "Mandinka" Gabriel, Peter US. Sinead sings backing vocals on one track. In Tua Nua (Album unknown). Vocals on "Take My Hand" (1984) This is her first recording. Ton Ton Macoute (Songs and Albums unknown, Sinead sang with this band before her solo career) Bootleg Albums -------------- Live At The Paradise (1988) Jackie Mandinka Never Get Old Just Like U Said It Would B Jerusalem Smith's Song Just Call Me Joe I Want Your (Hands On Me) The Lion and The Cage (RPCD 1016) (1990) Feel So Different The Emperor's New Clothes I Want Your (Hands On Me) Three Babies Black Boys On Mopeds Donald - O I Am Stretched On Your Grave The Last Day of Our Acquaintance Jump In The River Jerusalem Mandinka Black Is The Color of My True Lover's Hair The Value of Ignorance Beatiful Vision (KTS) (1990) Feel So Different Emperor's New Clothes I Want Your (Hands On Me) You Cause as Much Sorrow Three Babies Black Boys on Mopeds The Last Day of Our Acquaintance Nothing Compares 2 U Jump In the River Jerusalem Mandinka Troy Promotional Use Only Releases ----------------------------- Jerusalem 12" Promo Single (U.S.) (VAS 1062) (1988) Jerusalem (on both sides) Jump In The River 12" Promo Single (From Married To The Mob Soundtrack) (U.S.) (4V9 43309) (1988) Jump In The River Jerusalem Jump In The River (duet with Karen Finley) Special Remixes For Clubs 12" Promo Single (U.S.) (SPRO 23568) (1990) The Emperor's New Clothes (Main Mix) The Emperor's New Clothes (Dub Mix) The Emperor's New Clothes (Instrumental) I Am Stretched On Your Grave (Apple Brightness Mix) I Am Stretched On Your Grave (Night Until Morning Dub) I Am Stretched On Your Grave (Earthapella) Note: I am sure there were many more promos issued, these are the only ones that I'm sure exist. Videos ------ The Value Of Ignorance (live concert video) (1989) The Year of The Horse (live concert video) (1991) Never Mind the Mainstream (MTV 120 Minutes Video Sampler) (1991) "Mandinka" The Wall: Live In Berlin video "Mother" Red Hot + Blue video "You Do Something To Me" _______________________________________________________________________ There you have it! So far I haven't heard of any 12" singles released from "Am I Not Your Girl?" in either the US or UK. As always, please send me any items that I have left out so I may include them (there are probably many more in the Special Appearances section). Also if you have any Sinead related questions, feel free to mail them to me at: boarjas@elof.acc.iit.edu Until next revision! -- Jason Boardman