From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed May 5 03:44:56 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA13573; Wed, 5 May 93 03:42:00 -0700 Received: from frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA13569; Wed, 5 May 93 03:41:44 -0700 Received: from localhost by frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <25319-0@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk>; Wed, 5 May 1993 11:42:11 +0100 To: jitr Subject: Get your VCR's ready!!!!! Date: Wed, 05 May 93 11:41:55 +0100 From: Matthias Radestock Message-Id: <"frigate.do.338:05.04.93.10.42.16"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Status: OR To all the members of the list in the UK. ITV launches a new series next Sunday :"Faith And Music" about pop stars discussing their music and religeous beliefs. The first part is all about Sinead O'Connor. In an interview she will explain why she tore up the picture of the Pope and how she would have committed suicide if it hadn't been for her son Jake. And of course we'll see lots of video clips (maybe with Sinead explaining the ideas behind them ?). So it's 30 minutes Sinead pure. In the London area it's shown at 11.20pm. Matthias. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu May 6 01:20:24 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA26817; Thu, 6 May 93 01:18:33 -0700 Received: from frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA26813; Thu, 6 May 93 01:18:30 -0700 Received: from localhost by frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <00338-0@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk>; Thu, 6 May 1993 09:18:14 +0100 To: jitr Subject: Movie Date: Thu, 06 May 93 09:17:01 +0100 From: Matthias Radestock Message-Id: <"frigate.do.342:06.04.93.08.18.18"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Status: OR Sinead has a non-speaking part in an Irish film: "Where No Birds Sing". She plays a ghost who haunts children in a house. Matthias From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu May 6 07:49:38 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA29390; Thu, 6 May 93 07:38:57 -0700 Received: from frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA29386; Thu, 6 May 93 07:38:50 -0700 Received: from localhost by frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <29128-0@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk>; Thu, 6 May 1993 15:38:41 +0100 To: jitr Subject: Peace Together Date: Thu, 06 May 93 15:38:27 +0100 From: Matthias Radestock Message-Id: <"frigate.do.130:06.04.93.14.38.44"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Status: OR I've just received the single of the Peace Together Project "Be Still". It will be released worldwide on Island Records. The release date for the UK is May 17. The single has four tracks. The first one is "Be Still" featuring Sinead O'Connor, Nanci Griffith, Peter Gabriel, Jah Wobble and many more. The second track is a cover version of a Sting song, performed by Therapy? Track 3 and 4 are remixes of "Be Still", the latter one being a very nice 11 minutes instrumental. The three simultaneous concerts in Dublin, Belfast and London take place on May 29. (see my earlier posting for more details) The album is still in work, although most of the artists have completed their part already (including Sinead). The information leaflet I got says that it will include "relevant tracks on the NI issue". The release date for the album is June 7. Matthias From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu May 6 09:30:32 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA00714; Thu, 6 May 93 09:26:33 -0700 Received: from frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA00710; Thu, 6 May 93 09:26:29 -0700 Received: from localhost by frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <07501-0@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk>; Thu, 6 May 1993 17:25:36 +0100 To: jitr Subject: Sinead with hair Date: Thu, 06 May 93 17:25:30 +0100 From: Matthias Radestock Message-Id: <"frigate.do.506:06.04.93.16.25.46"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Status: OR Seems to be a Sinead O'Connor week. Anyone wants to know how she looks like with hair? Well, get this weeks issue of the Rolling Stone. There she can be seen apparently signing an autograph for a little girl at the Dublin peace rally a few weeks ago. Nice picture, although the hair is still a bit short. There is also a feature on the Peace Together project. And BTW, did you know, that John Reynolds (her ex?-husband) is a member of Jah Wobble's "Invaders of the Hearts" ? Matthias From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon May 10 06:08:46 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA06846; Mon, 10 May 93 06:03:30 -0700 Received: from [155.198.191.3] by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA06842; Mon, 10 May 93 06:01:44 -0700 Received: from localhost by frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <25886-0@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk>; Mon, 10 May 1993 14:00:13 +0100 To: jitr Subject: The Sinead O'Connor interview Date: Mon, 10 May 93 13:59:55 +0100 From: Matthias Radestock Message-Id: <"frigate.do.947:10.04.93.13.00.23"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Status: OR It was brilliant. ITV did an interview with Sinead O'Connor. Strictly speaking it wasn't an interview but rather Sinead talking for half an hour about her beliefs and how it relates to her life/music. The whole thing was mixed with some of their video clips (Success, Jerusalem, Troy, NC2U, Three Babies, My Special Child). The most moving part was when she was talking about Jake: "If you think that I'm a troublemaker than you'd better watch out; Jake Reynolds is coming and he will cause more trouble than his mother" (no exact quote). Another (not exact) quote "I was that close to slitting my throat. I'd never thought about suicide before" She was talking a lot about her upbringing, Irelands history, the church etc. and apparently she was very well prepared. It was all consistent and one could follow her argumentation. If anyone is interested I'll try to transcribe the interview. Matthias --------------------------------------------------------------- Matthias Radestock rade@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de mr3@doc.ic.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------- And BTW, her hair gets longer and longer !!! From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon May 10 15:23:13 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA14093; Mon, 10 May 93 15:20:35 -0700 Received: from garnet.Berkeley.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA14089; Mon, 10 May 93 15:20:33 -0700 Received: by garnet.berkeley.edu (5.64/1.33) id AA18295; Mon, 10 May 93 15:09:06 -0700 Date: Mon, 10 May 1993 15:08:24 -0700 (PDT) From: jack b huynh Subject: Re: The Sinead O'Connor interview To: Matthias Radestock Cc: jitr In-Reply-To: <"frigate.do.947:10.04.93.13.00.23"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR Please definitely transcribe if you can! I haven't read anything good about her in a long while! thanks, jack b huynh From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed May 12 03:13:14 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA03843; Wed, 12 May 93 03:08:56 -0700 Received: from [155.198.191.3] by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA03838; Wed, 12 May 93 03:08:32 -0700 Received: from localhost by frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <28053-0@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk>; Wed, 12 May 1993 11:07:21 +0100 To: jitr Subject: ITV interview Date: Wed, 12 May 93 11:07:09 +0100 From: Matthias Radestock Message-Id: <"frigate.do.063:12.04.93.10.07.27"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Status: OR OK, I've transcribed the interview last night. It took me 4 hours from 12.00 to 4.00am. Faith & Music : Sinead O'Connor ITV 09/05/93 transcribed by Matthias Radestock 11/05/93 ----------------------------------------------------------------- "I'm not a liar and I'm not full of hatred, but I hate lies and so the liars hate me. But the war has started now and truth will win." ... I was born in, well I wasn't born in but I lived in Glengarry in county Dublin near the sea. I've an older brother, an older sis- ter, then me, then my younger brother. And my parents separated when I was quite young. My mother was a very violent woman, not a healthy woman mentally at all. She was physically and verbally and psychologically, spiritually and emotionally abusive to all of us. We were battered children basically. I was a battered child - well I am still, although I'm not being battered anymore. So things were fairly spiritually devoid - not surprisingly. I was born on the 8th of December which in this country is a na- tional holiday. It's the ??? of immaculate conception. So I al- ways felt a kind of a, you know, connection with the mother of God anyway, because I always used to get these birthday cards that my mother used to give me, with a lovely painting of the im- maculate conception on it. But mostly I'd say the way I got into God and - that was because of the circumstances I was growing up under, because I was so frightened all the time and I was so, I mean, the situation we were growing up in was such hell, that there was nothing that could possibly save us. So when I was a very young child I asked God to help me to get out of this situa- tion and if he did I promised that I'd work for him as soon as I was able to and do whatever I could to belong to him and to serve him - which I believe he did do and I believe he did get me out of this situation and that he gave me the live that he gave me by giving me my voice. It was my voice that got me out of this si- tuation. One of the ways of ensuring that we wouldn't get beaten up was, would be, to sing to my mother, because if we sang she would be in good mood and all that stuff. So there was a lot of singing going on. ... I hold the church entirely responsible for the circumstances of my childhood and for the circumstances under which a lot of Irish children are growing up - Ireland being the country which has the highest statistic in Europe of child abuse. I didn't get sucked into Catholicism because I could see subconsciously at a young age, where it's only became conscious recently, that the cause of my own abuse was the church's affect on this country, which had produced my mother through her own family, through the genera- tions of her family which came down since the beginning of time, who were of cause affected by what the British did in this coun- try, which they couldn't have done without, and most people don't know this, without permission from the Roman Catholic Church, which is still available in writing for everybody to see that the church in fact used the English to do their dirty work in this country. It was never the English that did it. The church gave permission to the English knowing that they had a policy of using starvation as a means of controlling people to come into this country. And they gave this permission for money and in the name of Jesus Christ. ...... And what the English did was they took away our right to speak our own language. They paid the people who were starving to death 2 pounds to teach their children English and would ???? to make sure that they couldn't speak Irish. They took away our right to practice our own religion. They took away - that's the most im- portant thing- our right to educate ourselves. Then what happened was we were killed, like for trying to go to school. We had to hide in bushes to go to school. So what happened was that the church then came in and set up the only schools that we were al- lowed to go to. And in those schools they told us lies. To this day Irish children will be taught in their history books that there was a famine in this country when in fact there was never a famine in this country, there was a potato blaid (sp?). But the British doing the job for the Vatican, had made a law that Irish people were only allowed to eat potatoes. All the other food - and the shipping lists are still available for everyone to see today- hundreds of tons of meat, fish, eggs, poultry, milk, well, everything else, vegetables, were shipped out of the country under armed guard while the Irish people were starving to death. There was never a famine, but yet still the Catholic Church, who set up the only schools that we were allowed to go to, told us lies. And I really believe that when you take people away from the truth of their history you're not allowing - like we weren't allowed to be Irish, just as I would compare Ireland to an abused child, just as the child wasn't allowed to be a child the people weren't allowed to be Irish. And I think that the fact that we were taken away form the truth of our history and what we're really supposed to be is what made us manifest in our houses domestic child abuse because of the frustration of not knowing who we were. ...... My first album then, being called "The Lion and the Cobra", I suppose is the most representative of what I'm talking about. It's psalm 91 which says: 'For he will command his angles con- cerning you, to guard you in all your ways. They will lift you up in their hands so that you will not strike your foot against a stone. You will tread upon the lion and the cobra; you'll trample the great lion and the serpent.'. Basically: you gotta look after you. So to me the Lion and the Cobra that needed to be trampled on were the facts of my abuse and that's what the album was. ... I believe very much that the world is in this awful evil state that it's in because we were taken away from God. The only thing that can possibly save us is God. That's the only thing that can possibly save us. And the only thing that will make us wake up and realise that we've been lied to and even though, even though we think we believe in God, we don't. We're using God's name to do all this evil. ...... I didn't believe for a long time, I found it hard to cope with the idea, that Jesus was actually, you know, God manifested in a human body. I do believe that that's true now, but I also believe that Jesus Christ is actually a spirit. It's a sprit that can ex- ist through all of us. That God lives inside us and that we can bring that sprit that is Jesus Christ into the world through our- selves, if we're in touch with our instincts, which is how God speaks to us - through our instincts. And what they did was to teach us to ignore all of our instincts so that we think God was outside. They brought us up never to trust our emotions or our feelings or our instincts. So what I believe is that Jesus Christ is a spirit which lives inside all of us and which can be brought into the world through all of us, basically. I also believe that the man himself, hmm, they say that the word Christ means 'a Pri- est King', one who was a priest king, and I do believe that he was and actually by rights and by blood and by descent the king of the Jewish people, the descendant of the royal house of David, that he was the king of Israel which was at that time under oc- cupation by the Roman Empire just as Ireland was at that time we're talking about by the British. And there is a lot of evi- dence which suggests that he in fact led an armed insurrection against the Roman occupation of his country, which i do believe. Historically it's proven that crucifixion was only a punishment for one crime, which was armed insurrection against the state. So I believe that he did lead an armed insurrection as the king of the Jewish people against the Roman state and it failed. I do be- lieve that he was married,. There's no way that he wouldn't have been. For a Rabbi not being married those days would have been outrageous. Therefore I do believe that he had children and therefore his descendants are still alive somewhere in the world, yeah. ... When I wrote "ou estle roi perdu?" I wanted to see if they might respond - the descendants of that man who was the king of the Jewish people, the descendants of the whole royal house of David where ever they may be. Because I believe very much that's like a bad time they got off there asses, really, and come to help us all, because we're in trouble. I believe that God is gonna show up in the next I'd say five years. And to me God is truth, the truth of everything that is inside human beings but also the truth of what's being going on throughout history. And I think the way that God is gonna show up is through the truth being re- vealed to us - there being physical prove of the truth that we haven't known up until now. And I don't mean that I think, you know, wooooooooo - God is going to show up like some kind of spirit, you know, or a Jesus Christ. I think what will happen is that the truth will be revealed and that's how God works, that God is truth and nothing is hidden. Of course that will not be revealed. That's what I mean when I say I think God is gonna show up. That there's going to be so much physical evidence, physical prove to people that what we've been given to believing is a lie that there won't be any way denying it. And therefore there will be the immediate return to the Garden of Eden which is the cir- cumstances under which we were supposed to live in the first place. ... ... >From the time I was at very young age I used to run away from home a lot when I was really, you know, a ???? and that. And I can remember wondering around the place by myself, singing to my- self, yeah and making up songs to myself. Singing and writing for me was a way of - it started as protection obviously. It started as a way of expressing my own pain and my own frustration which I couldn't keep silent although everyone around me was keeping it silent, like, like we see happening in the public arena - people keep quiet. They don't scream and shout, particularly about child abuse. What happens in most people's houses is that there's silence about it - the wall of silence. And I was determined to keep screaming and shouting, because if I didn't I would have died, I couldn't stand the feelings I had inside me. And I've al- ways been that kind of person that I have to get it out or it will kill me. ...... I did the album "Am I Not Your Girl" because I like the music but principally I used the fact of being able to make an album of music that I like, in order to create the circumstances under which I could conduct my own fight against what I see as being evil. And the tools that I can use are the fact that I am a famous person and therefore can attract a lot of attention and can create a lot of discussion, which I obviously did by ripping up the picture of the Pope. I could never, never regret it now. I'm very proud that I did it, I'm very happy that I did it. Because I understand both on an in- dividual level and a social level why I did it. And I'm only sor- ry that I hadn't done my therapy years ago so I would have been able to survive that abuse without being affected by, which I feel that I have very much been physically and emotionally, spir- itually and psychologically affected by the abuse that I've ex- perienced, having ripped up the picture. And I don't mean the booing in Madison Square Garden, I mean general abuse. And if I didn't believe in God I would find that - I do find it very painful - the fact that I believe in God allows me to believe that it's all OK. You know what I mean? That it all will be OK. You know what I mean? Whereas, If I didn't, like, I'd be dead. But actually speaking of that - I mean, the whole, Jesus, I came that close to slitting my throat, THAT close to slitting my throat. I never thought about suicide before the whole Pope thing happened. I just couldn't deal with what - what they were doing was triggering everything because I hadn't dealt with it. You know what I mean? And really was - the amount of times - if I had had something I would have slit my throat. Jake was the only thing that stopped me from it, you know. If I didn't have a child I would have killed myself way before now. ... He is quite special. And to me he's always been a comfort even when he was a tiny baby. And that's what that song talks about - times when I was really messed up. And he would just look at me sometimes and just rub my face, like, and smile like me, like he know there was something up, and just smiled like me as if to say: 'It's all cool, don't worry.' ...... I heard him saying as prayers in the church one day - we had been in Galway and he had been out walking in these farm that we were staying on with these dogs. And I heard him saying this prayer in the church and he said: 'I hope you enjoyed the walk with me and the dogs.' You know, to him. And I never said it to him. To him God is something that is with him constantly. He went out for a walk with the two dogs and God, as far as he was concerned. And when he said this prayers he said: 'Hope you liked the walk.', which I think is really nice, the idea. If we remembered that God is something that is with us that we're not by ourselves, we're not on our own. You know what I mean? And for a little child like him, I think it's amazing. I think he is a very special individu- al. I think you gotta watch out for him. If you think I was a troublemaker, fasten your seatbelts, Jake Reynolds is on the way. ... I was determined that I was going to be like a servant of God by serving the truth, by by, phhh, in my own individual as well, which is not an easy thing to do - to face the truth in oneself. You know what I mean? To be truthful. To always, always tell the truth because I could see from a very young age, as I said ear- lier on, that what was happening in my house was happening be- cause there was a lie. Somewhere there was a lie which we still haven't found out yet but we will. ... What that video is about; basically it was the explanation and reason for why I did the whole thing, which was to expose that fact that the persuade of material success has resulted in the manifestation of child abuse which is destroying the world be- cause all the evil is committed by those of us who have been abused as children and not dealt with it, and on one level or another. Now, the reason for why we're pursuing money so much is because Christ's representatives on earth did it. They set us that example. The ones who represented God told us that that's what we ought to do. That's what they still tell us and continue to tell us, by example. And that was the whole point which I was trying to make by making that song and making that album basical- ly. And I was kinda worried that God was going to be really upset with me, like for doing this kind of stuff. But then I realised, yeah I am angry. And I've every right to be angry. There's no way I'm going to shut my mouth. I'm a battered child and the whole bloody world is going to know about it. The same as they're going to know about every other battered child. They're not going to be able to shut us up just because they don't want to hear about it. ...... So being a Christian I have to do in any given situation what I believe Christ would have done, which is basically love people and understand people no matter what they've done or no matter how terrible the thing is they've done. And if that was put into practice really that's the only way we could survive. And I'd say that's what I've been trying to communicate. And that's what I've used whatever power I had in order to try to do. And the only power I did have was the fact that I'm a celebrity. ... ----------------------------------------------------------------- There are two or three words which I couldn't understand. Matthias --------------------------------------------------------------- Matthias Radestock rade@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de mr3@doc.ic.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------- From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed May 12 03:13:14 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA03843; Wed, 12 May 93 03:08:56 -0700 Received: from [155.198.191.3] by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA03838; Wed, 12 May 93 03:08:32 -0700 Received: from localhost by frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <28053-0@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk>; Wed, 12 May 1993 11:07:21 +0100 To: jitr Subject: ITV interview Date: Wed, 12 May 93 11:07:09 +0100 From: Matthias Radestock Message-Id: <"frigate.do.063:12.04.93.10.07.27"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Status: OR OK, I've transcribed the interview last night. It took me 4 hours from 12.00 to 4.00am. Faith & Music : Sinead O'Connor ITV 09/05/93 transcribed by Matthias Radestock 11/05/93 ----------------------------------------------------------------- "I'm not a liar and I'm not full of hatred, but I hate lies and so the liars hate me. But the war has started now and truth will win." ... I was born in, well I wasn't born in but I lived in Glengarry in county Dublin near the sea. I've an older brother, an older sis- ter, then me, then my younger brother. And my parents separated when I was quite young. My mother was a very violent woman, not a healthy woman mentally at all. She was physically and verbally and psychologically, spiritually and emotionally abusive to all of us. We were battered children basically. I was a battered child - well I am still, although I'm not being battered anymore. So things were fairly spiritually devoid - not surprisingly. I was born on the 8th of December which in this country is a na- tional holiday. It's the ??? of immaculate conception. So I al- ways felt a kind of a, you know, connection with the mother of God anyway, because I always used to get these birthday cards that my mother used to give me, with a lovely painting of the im- maculate conception on it. But mostly I'd say the way I got into God and - that was because of the circumstances I was growing up under, because I was so frightened all the time and I was so, I mean, the situation we were growing up in was such hell, that there was nothing that could possibly save us. So when I was a very young child I asked God to help me to get out of this situa- tion and if he did I promised that I'd work for him as soon as I was able to and do whatever I could to belong to him and to serve him - which I believe he did do and I believe he did get me out of this situation and that he gave me the live that he gave me by giving me my voice. It was my voice that got me out of this si- tuation. One of the ways of ensuring that we wouldn't get beaten up was, would be, to sing to my mother, because if we sang she would be in good mood and all that stuff. So there was a lot of singing going on. ... I hold the church entirely responsible for the circumstances of my childhood and for the circumstances under which a lot of Irish children are growing up - Ireland being the country which has the highest statistic in Europe of child abuse. I didn't get sucked into Catholicism because I could see subconsciously at a young age, where it's only became conscious recently, that the cause of my own abuse was the church's affect on this country, which had produced my mother through her own family, through the genera- tions of her family which came down since the beginning of time, who were of cause affected by what the British did in this coun- try, which they couldn't have done without, and most people don't know this, without permission from the Roman Catholic Church, which is still available in writing for everybody to see that the church in fact used the English to do their dirty work in this country. It was never the English that did it. The church gave permission to the English knowing that they had a policy of using starvation as a means of controlling people to come into this country. And they gave this permission for money and in the name of Jesus Christ. ...... And what the English did was they took away our right to speak our own language. They paid the people who were starving to death 2 pounds to teach their children English and would ???? to make sure that they couldn't speak Irish. They took away our right to practice our own religion. They took away - that's the most im- portant thing- our right to educate ourselves. Then what happened was we were killed, like for trying to go to school. We had to hide in bushes to go to school. So what happened was that the church then came in and set up the only schools that we were al- lowed to go to. And in those schools they told us lies. To this day Irish children will be taught in their history books that there was a famine in this country when in fact there was never a famine in this country, there was a potato blaid (sp?). But the British doing the job for the Vatican, had made a law that Irish people were only allowed to eat potatoes. All the other food - and the shipping lists are still available for everyone to see today- hundreds of tons of meat, fish, eggs, poultry, milk, well, everything else, vegetables, were shipped out of the country under armed guard while the Irish people were starving to death. There was never a famine, but yet still the Catholic Church, who set up the only schools that we were allowed to go to, told us lies. And I really believe that when you take people away from the truth of their history you're not allowing - like we weren't allowed to be Irish, just as I would compare Ireland to an abused child, just as the child wasn't allowed to be a child the people weren't allowed to be Irish. And I think that the fact that we were taken away form the truth of our history and what we're really supposed to be is what made us manifest in our houses domestic child abuse because of the frustration of not knowing who we were. ...... My first album then, being called "The Lion and the Cobra", I suppose is the most representative of what I'm talking about. It's psalm 91 which says: 'For he will command his angles con- cerning you, to guard you in all your ways. They will lift you up in their hands so that you will not strike your foot against a stone. You will tread upon the lion and the cobra; you'll trample the great lion and the serpent.'. Basically: you gotta look after you. So to me the Lion and the Cobra that needed to be trampled on were the facts of my abuse and that's what the album was. ... I believe very much that the world is in this awful evil state that it's in because we were taken away from God. The only thing that can possibly save us is God. That's the only thing that can possibly save us. And the only thing that will make us wake up and realise that we've been lied to and even though, even though we think we believe in God, we don't. We're using God's name to do all this evil. ...... I didn't believe for a long time, I found it hard to cope with the idea, that Jesus was actually, you know, God manifested in a human body. I do believe that that's true now, but I also believe that Jesus Christ is actually a spirit. It's a sprit that can ex- ist through all of us. That God lives inside us and that we can bring that sprit that is Jesus Christ into the world through our- selves, if we're in touch with our instincts, which is how God speaks to us - through our instincts. And what they did was to teach us to ignore all of our instincts so that we think God was outside. They brought us up never to trust our emotions or our feelings or our instincts. So what I believe is that Jesus Christ is a spirit which lives inside all of us and which can be brought into the world through all of us, basically. I also believe that the man himself, hmm, they say that the word Christ means 'a Pri- est King', one who was a priest king, and I do believe that he was and actually by rights and by blood and by descent the king of the Jewish people, the descendant of the royal house of David, that he was the king of Israel which was at that time under oc- cupation by the Roman Empire just as Ireland was at that time we're talking about by the British. And there is a lot of evi- dence which suggests that he in fact led an armed insurrection against the Roman occupation of his country, which i do believe. Historically it's proven that crucifixion was only a punishment for one crime, which was armed insurrection against the state. So I believe that he did lead an armed insurrection as the king of the Jewish people against the Roman state and it failed. I do be- lieve that he was married,. There's no way that he wouldn't have been. For a Rabbi not being married those days would have been outrageous. Therefore I do believe that he had children and therefore his descendants are still alive somewhere in the world, yeah. ... When I wrote "ou estle roi perdu?" I wanted to see if they might respond - the descendants of that man who was the king of the Jewish people, the descendants of the whole royal house of David where ever they may be. Because I believe very much that's like a bad time they got off there asses, really, and come to help us all, because we're in trouble. I believe that God is gonna show up in the next I'd say five years. And to me God is truth, the truth of everything that is inside human beings but also the truth of what's being going on throughout history. And I think the way that God is gonna show up is through the truth being re- vealed to us - there being physical prove of the truth that we haven't known up until now. And I don't mean that I think, you know, wooooooooo - God is going to show up like some kind of spirit, you know, or a Jesus Christ. I think what will happen is that the truth will be revealed and that's how God works, that God is truth and nothing is hidden. Of course that will not be revealed. That's what I mean when I say I think God is gonna show up. That there's going to be so much physical evidence, physical prove to people that what we've been given to believing is a lie that there won't be any way denying it. And therefore there will be the immediate return to the Garden of Eden which is the cir- cumstances under which we were supposed to live in the first place. ... ... >From the time I was at very young age I used to run away from home a lot when I was really, you know, a ???? and that. And I can remember wondering around the place by myself, singing to my- self, yeah and making up songs to myself. Singing and writing for me was a way of - it started as protection obviously. It started as a way of expressing my own pain and my own frustration which I couldn't keep silent although everyone around me was keeping it silent, like, like we see happening in the public arena - people keep quiet. They don't scream and shout, particularly about child abuse. What happens in most people's houses is that there's silence about it - the wall of silence. And I was determined to keep screaming and shouting, because if I didn't I would have died, I couldn't stand the feelings I had inside me. And I've al- ways been that kind of person that I have to get it out or it will kill me. ...... I did the album "Am I Not Your Girl" because I like the music but principally I used the fact of being able to make an album of music that I like, in order to create the circumstances under which I could conduct my own fight against what I see as being evil. And the tools that I can use are the fact that I am a famous person and therefore can attract a lot of attention and can create a lot of discussion, which I obviously did by ripping up the picture of the Pope. I could never, never regret it now. I'm very proud that I did it, I'm very happy that I did it. Because I understand both on an in- dividual level and a social level why I did it. And I'm only sor- ry that I hadn't done my therapy years ago so I would have been able to survive that abuse without being affected by, which I feel that I have very much been physically and emotionally, spir- itually and psychologically affected by the abuse that I've ex- perienced, having ripped up the picture. And I don't mean the booing in Madison Square Garden, I mean general abuse. And if I didn't believe in God I would find that - I do find it very painful - the fact that I believe in God allows me to believe that it's all OK. You know what I mean? That it all will be OK. You know what I mean? Whereas, If I didn't, like, I'd be dead. But actually speaking of that - I mean, the whole, Jesus, I came that close to slitting my throat, THAT close to slitting my throat. I never thought about suicide before the whole Pope thing happened. I just couldn't deal with what - what they were doing was triggering everything because I hadn't dealt with it. You know what I mean? And really was - the amount of times - if I had had something I would have slit my throat. Jake was the only thing that stopped me from it, you know. If I didn't have a child I would have killed myself way before now. ... He is quite special. And to me he's always been a comfort even when he was a tiny baby. And that's what that song talks about - times when I was really messed up. And he would just look at me sometimes and just rub my face, like, and smile like me, like he know there was something up, and just smiled like me as if to say: 'It's all cool, don't worry.' ...... I heard him saying as prayers in the church one day - we had been in Galway and he had been out walking in these farm that we were staying on with these dogs. And I heard him saying this prayer in the church and he said: 'I hope you enjoyed the walk with me and the dogs.' You know, to him. And I never said it to him. To him God is something that is with him constantly. He went out for a walk with the two dogs and God, as far as he was concerned. And when he said this prayers he said: 'Hope you liked the walk.', which I think is really nice, the idea. If we remembered that God is something that is with us that we're not by ourselves, we're not on our own. You know what I mean? And for a little child like him, I think it's amazing. I think he is a very special individu- al. I think you gotta watch out for him. If you think I was a troublemaker, fasten your seatbelts, Jake Reynolds is on the way. ... I was determined that I was going to be like a servant of God by serving the truth, by by, phhh, in my own individual as well, which is not an easy thing to do - to face the truth in oneself. You know what I mean? To be truthful. To always, always tell the truth because I could see from a very young age, as I said ear- lier on, that what was happening in my house was happening be- cause there was a lie. Somewhere there was a lie which we still haven't found out yet but we will. ... What that video is about; basically it was the explanation and reason for why I did the whole thing, which was to expose that fact that the persuade of material success has resulted in the manifestation of child abuse which is destroying the world be- cause all the evil is committed by those of us who have been abused as children and not dealt with it, and on one level or another. Now, the reason for why we're pursuing money so much is because Christ's representatives on earth did it. They set us that example. The ones who represented God told us that that's what we ought to do. That's what they still tell us and continue to tell us, by example. And that was the whole point which I was trying to make by making that song and making that album basical- ly. And I was kinda worried that God was going to be really upset with me, like for doing this kind of stuff. But then I realised, yeah I am angry. And I've every right to be angry. There's no way I'm going to shut my mouth. I'm a battered child and the whole bloody world is going to know about it. The same as they're going to know about every other battered child. They're not going to be able to shut us up just because they don't want to hear about it. ...... So being a Christian I have to do in any given situation what I believe Christ would have done, which is basically love people and understand people no matter what they've done or no matter how terrible the thing is they've done. And if that was put into practice really that's the only way we could survive. And I'd say that's what I've been trying to communicate. And that's what I've used whatever power I had in order to try to do. And the only power I did have was the fact that I'm a celebrity. ... ----------------------------------------------------------------- There are two or three words which I couldn't understand. Matthias --------------------------------------------------------------- Matthias Radestock rade@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de mr3@doc.ic.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------- From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed May 12 04:24:37 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA04348; Wed, 12 May 93 04:17:10 -0700 Received: from [129.215.56.21] by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA04344; Wed, 12 May 93 04:17:05 -0700 Date: Wed, 12 May 93 12:17:02 BST Message-Id: <11120.9305121117@subnode.epcc.ed.ac.uk> From: Evan Welsh To: mr3@doc.ic.ac.uk Cc: jitr In-Reply-To: Matthias Radestock's message of Wed, 12 May 93 11:07:09 +0100 <"frigate.do.063:12.04.93.10.07.27"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Subject: Re: ITV interview Status: OR Matthias Radestock writes: > was born on the 8th of December which in this country is a na- > tional holiday. It's the ??? of immaculate conception. So I al- ^^^ "Feast" would be my guess. -- _____________________________________________________________________ / Evan Welsh \ \ Edinburgh Parallel Computing Centre (+44 31 650 5960) / From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed May 12 06:12:57 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA05016; Wed, 12 May 93 06:09:04 -0700 Received: from netcom2.netcom.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA05012; Wed, 12 May 93 06:09:03 -0700 Received: by netcom2.netcom.com (5.65/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id AA18385; Wed, 12 May 93 06:09:06 -0700 Date: Wed, 12 May 93 06:09:06 -0700 From: slf@netcom.com (Sharon Fisher) Message-Id: <9305121309.AA18385@netcom2.netcom.com> To: mr3@doc.ic.ac.uk Cc: jitr In-Reply-To: Matthias Radestock's message of Wed, 12 May 93 11:07:09 +0100 <"frigate.do.063:12.04.93.10.07.27"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Subject: ITV interview Status: OR The word by Immaculate Conception was probably 'solemnity,' while the word in the discussion about the potatoes was probably 'blight.' Thanks for typing all that in! From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sat May 22 03:25:08 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA26382; Sat, 22 May 93 03:15:22 -0700 Received: from frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA26378; Sat, 22 May 93 03:15:19 -0700 Received: from localhost by frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <12091-0@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk>; Sat, 22 May 1993 11:15:37 +0100 To: jitr Subject: Peace Together Date: Sat, 22 May 93 11:15:21 +0100 From: Matthias Radestock Message-Id: <"frigate.do.093:22.04.93.10.15.39"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Status: OR "Be Still" - the single of the Peace Together Project was released last Monday. I would say that the single itself is nothing special. But both remixes (one getting rid of all vocals - 11 minutes long, and the other one only including the female vocals (Sinead, Nanci, Liz)) are brilliant and IMHO much better than the single. And Therapy?'s cover version of the Police song "Invisible Sun" (the B side of the single) leaves a lasting impression too. Yesterday I've also seen the video for "Be Still". Again, nothing special. Lots of children running around. Feargal, Peter, Nanci and Sinead (still without hair - so I suppose it was shot a couple of month ago). Sinead is smiling occasionally - something she hasn't done very often in her videos. But still I had expected a more original video. All the Sinead videos are something special, all the PG videos are something special, so why is this video so ordinary? Meanwhile the date for the Dublin concert has been moved to June 5th. You can be sure that I won't miss this opportunity to see Sinead. I don't know whether the Dublin concert will be recorded for TV broadcast, but the Belfast show (with PG) will. They're probably going to show it nationwide - which of course doesn't help you Americans out there. Matthias --------------------------------------------------------------- Matthias Radestock rade@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de mr3@doc.ic.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------- "I don't associate myself with all of the people I can do without, Those who never leave me in any doubt That there selfish narrow lives are all they care about." --Anne Clark "World Without Warning"-- From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sun May 23 21:35:22 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA06261; Sun, 23 May 93 21:10:42 -0700 Received: from emoryu1.cc.emory.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA06245; Sun, 23 May 93 21:09:58 -0700 Received: from erasure_sl.cc.emory.edu by emoryu1.cc.emory.edu (5.65/Emory_cc.3.4.6) via SMTP id AA07862 ; Mon, 24 May 93 00:08:09 -0400 Return-Path: jcorry@erasure_sl.cc.emory.edu Received: by erasure_sl.cc.emory.edu (NX5.67c/NX3.0S) id AA00726; Mon, 24 May 93 00:09:56 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 May 93 00:09:56 -0400 From: Jeremy Corry Message-Id: <9305240409.AA00726@erasure_sl.cc.emory.edu> Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.87.1) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.87.1) To: jitr, enya@boulder.colorado.edu Subject: Cyndi Lauper, Suzanne Vega Status: OR I went to a Cyndi Lauper concert in Atlanta this weekend. She premiered the songs from her new album, due out June 15. It was a small intimate affair, we were about 10 feet from the stage. The songs were all good, some hit material. The band was very tight, professional, and had fun. My roomates and I are starting two new listserves, one for Cyndi Lauper, one for Suzanne Vega. Addresses: Cyndi Lauper ListServe: shebop@erasure_sl.cc.emory.edu Suzanne Vega ListServe: undertow@erasure_sl.cc.emory.edu Admin for both: smyerbur@erasure_sl.cc.emory.edu Send requests for subscribe, unsubscribe, problems, etc. to the admin address (please specify which listserve you need service on). All other messages should be sent to the listserve addresses. The groups are unmoderated, loose mail, no digest is available (sorry). Discussion need not be limited to the respective artists (within reason). Sorry to abuse this listserve. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu May 27 18:29:37 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA06356; Thu, 27 May 93 18:25:55 -0700 Received: from binkley.CS.McGill.CA by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA06352; Thu, 27 May 93 18:25:51 -0700 Received: by binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (5.65a/IDA-1.4.2c/SOCS-2d) id AA22091 (mail destined for jitr@presto.ig.com) on Thu, 27 May 93 21:25:29 -0400 Message-Id: <9305280125.AA22091@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca> From: depeche@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (S. A. Ezust) Date: Thu, 27 May 93 21:25:28 EDT X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (6.5.6 6/30/89) To: jitr, ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: Sinead in the Guardian Status: OR Apologies for any typos. This article is being reproduced electronically without permission. So sue me. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The young Irish singer who scandalised America by tearing up a picture of the Pope is back home, recovering from stardom. Sinead O'connor talks to Maggie O'Kane. Guardian Weekly, May 16, 1993 _All Anger Spent_ The photographer was given 30 seconds. Before he could dip his hand into his bag for the second lens, Sinead O'Connor had turned on her heel and was back in the door of Parnell School of Music. "Right that's it," she said. Mid afternoon and she has just finished her singing lesson. Sinead O'Connor, the woman who put her voice to an obscure Prince song, Nothing Compares 2 U, and soared to the top of DJ's playlists around the world, is back in her home town of Dublin learning how to sing and "trying to get sane". She came home, she says, "losing her mind" after nine years of self-enforced exile in the international rock world. Driving through the trees towards the centre of Dublin in her slightly battered red BMW, Bob Dylan is playing on the tape and the jaw of a young man dips as he recognizes her driving past his bus stop. Along the pedestrian walkways of Grafton Street they all recognise her, a thin, beautiful woman in a messy lilac T-shirt and training shoes, but they leave her alone. Sinead O'Connor intends to stay in Dublin for a long time, to bring up her six-year-old son, Jake, and to pick up where she left off. A 17-year old who ran away to London to be in a band and escape her now famous abused childhood. At 26 she is back. "I fit in here. I have a sense of myself here, old ladies give me Holy Medals and flowers. The paperboy gives me a free paper and Ireland is just a much more loving place." At the recent Dublin rally to protest at the IRA killings in Warrington she suddenly found herself surrounded by a clatter of TV cameras. "Then these Dublin women came in and made a semi-circle around me and just started to talk. They were protecting me. It's like they were my mother and they were protecting their daughter. I feel safe here." She has divided the past nine years of her life between London and Los ANgeles and now wonders why. Home is a rented, detached house in a comfortable, uncomplicated suburb of Dublin. A place where mothers walk their children on the green, shop in the supermarket on the corner and in the even stroll along the Strand Road running along Dublin Bay. She chose Sandymount to be near to her sister Eimear and insists on dragging the vacuum cleaner thoroughly around her front room before sitting down to talk. On her kitchen wall two squares of yellow paper urge her to "Think positive". Perched on top of the fake walnut breakfast counter with her arms wrapped tightly round her legs you get the impression that she is waiting to be bitten. Interviews have never been good for Sinead O'Connor. She is an easy target. "I've been biting my nails, almost until they bled for years, but since I've come back to Ireland, I've stopped," says O'Connor, who admits to seriously contemplating suicide and who sees a therapist "on and off" in an attempt to deal with a childhood of abuse at the hands of her disturbed and deeply unhappy mother. Her main therapy now, she says, is her singing lessons at the Parnell School under the guidance of a man called Frank Merriman - "The most amazing teacher in the Universe." The Parnell scholl has become the centre of the new world for O'Connor. It is a world she doesn't want disturbed by press photographers. Similarly, in her unremarkable house there are no Grammy awards stacked on the mantelpiece and no pictures of the bald, green-eyed beauty in her high days of rock and roll. "I've never really enjoyed all that scene. OK, it was great dressing up and all that, but I was a screwed up kid who had run away from an unhappy, abused childhood and I never got the chance to sort myself out." In the morning she takes her son to school, goes to her singing classes where her father, who wanted to be an opera singer, turns up most evenings for his own tuition. "Then I come home, make Jake his tea, bath him, wash his face and teeth and put him to bed. Being here is giving me a chance to be his mother. I tormented myself that he was suffering with this rock star life." She is highly-strung and intense, and aproaches her pet subject, child abuse, with the zeal of a missionary. In all her interviews she tolerates questions on her records, her private life, her success so she can get the chance to publicise her deeply-held belief that child abuse is the "root of all evil in the world". "If adults who have been abused as children realise like I do that you have to seek help then there would be dramatic improvements in the world," she says. The day after the interview she rings the office three times with the name of a book called Breaking Down The Walls Of Silence by Alice Miller. "Read Miller. She knows what she is talking about when it comes to child abuse." Attempts to nudge the interview onto Dubin/sex/music/men are met with an insistence on gnawing at the same bone. Just before deadline on Friday she rings again. "Another thing - I tore up the Pope's picture to draw attention to the issue of child abuse that the Vatican ignores," she says. But doesn't controversy sell records? "Ask my record company. I never did any of that stuff to make money." Rich? Yes, she is rich. The industry puts her worth at around a million (pounds). "I have enough money to have freedom," is all she will say. Her critics accuse her of scandalising her way up the charts, but her stands are genuine if painful. The latest bloodletting was the Bob Dylan memorial concert, where she had to be helped weeping from the stage before a booing crowd. "That was a very, very important moment for me," she says. "I wanted to stand up to that crowd there so I had to keep singing that song. I did not want my fear to stop me and I passed my own test." When she returned to Ireland at Christmas she was a wreck. Chris Hill of Ensign Records says they were seriously worried by her mental state. She appeared on Pat Kenny's weekly TV chatshow scratching, and fidgeted her way through an interview where she told Ireland's Saturday night viewing public that she tore up the picture of the Pope because she was bored, that as a race they were suffering from post- traumatic stress disorder and needed to go on a 12-step therapy programme. She recognises her credibility problem. "Be consistent, Sinead, change your mind," said a friend. A one-time supporter of the IRA, she now condemns them: "But because I change my opinion doesn't deny me the opportunity to express it." Born the third of four children, her home was in middle-class Dublin. Financially secure but an emotional mess, her parents separated when she was eight and she was brought up by her mother, a desperately unhappy alcoholic who beat her with tennis rackets, carpet sweepers, anything. Her first album, the Lion and the Cobra, was full of cathartic angst, grief for her mother, anger and brutally frank admission of her own sexual and emotional needs. Sitting on her kitchen breakfast bar in Dublin sunlight, those needs are still unfulfilled. "yes, I'd like a partner, a good relationship with man because it is lonely and I do want him to come along. But so far it has not happened. But that is OK. Now it is about looking after Jake and settling myself." She feels she should have come home two years ago when she found herself isolated and lost, a 24-year-old star living in Los Angeles. Her head is no longer bald. "I shaved my head because I was an angry, screwed up child. It was an expression of my anger, and I wanted to shave my hair off and go out there and scream." Now, she says, "I'm growing my hair. I am still a child and I am stillt rying to grow up but that doesn't mean I'm going to shut up."  -- | Alan Ezust depeche@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca Montreal, Quebec, Canada | |------------- McGill University School of Computer Science ----------------| "Lick the carpet, dust the dog, mow the windows, shine the socks... You've got to keep things CLEAN!" - Edward Ka-Spel From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu May 27 19:16:11 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA06840; Thu, 27 May 93 19:14:14 -0700 Received: from pilot.njin.net by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA06836; Thu, 27 May 93 19:14:12 -0700 Received: by pilot.njin.net (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) id AA01424; Thu, 27 May 93 22:14:43 EDT Date: Thu, 27 May 93 22:14:42 EDT From: WretchAwry To: depeche@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (S. A. Ezust) Cc: jitr, ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Loves: Kate Bush..Happy Rhodes..Jane Siberry..Peter Gabriel..Tori Amos.. Subject: Re: Sinead in the Guardian In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 27 May 93 21:25:28 EDT Message-Id: Status: OR > Apologies for any typos. This article is being reproduced electronically > without permission. So sue me. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Guardian Weekly, May 16, 1993 > _All Anger Spent_ Good for Sinead! *Thank you* Alan! Vickie From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri May 28 04:49:11 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA09950; Fri, 28 May 93 04:34:47 -0700 Received: from [155.198.191.3] by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA09946; Fri, 28 May 93 04:34:37 -0700 Received: from localhost by frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <04341-0@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk>; Fri, 28 May 1993 12:35:01 +0100 To: jitr Subject: Re: Sinead in the Guardian Date: Fri, 28 May 93 12:34:50 +0100 From: Matthias Radestock Message-Id: <"frigate.do.343:28.04.93.11.35.03"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Status: OR OK, I've got my tickets for the Peace Together concert at The Point in Dublin. Although I know, that one of the reasons why Sinead has moved to Dublin again is that she wants to have her privacy, I'm still determined to meet her. I'm not a f***ing reporter or mad fan (well maybe I am) but someone who has done more to spread her ideas and opinions than most other people. When she can give an interview to the Guardian, she could also have a little chat with me :). So if there is anybody out there who has more detailed information about where exactly she lives let me know immedeatly!! And to Alan: Did they perhaps had a photograph of her house in the Guardian? Would make things easier for me. The options are the following: 1. Meet her before or after the concert (which is on June 5th BTW). 2. Catch her at the Parnell School of Music. 3. Look her up in the directory (probably thousands of O'Connor, S., but together with the name of the suburb it might be possible). 4. Find her house. 5. Catch her at Jake's school. I would prefer the first one. The others don't necessarily lead to a good first impression :). Anyway, in case I'm really that lucky, I'll certainly tell her about jitr, my radio show and my work for a student newspaper (I told you - I'm doing quite a lot of things). Questions to the list: 1. What should I say first ? (I don't want to call this a "Chat Up Line") 2. What else should I say to / ask her ? If you think the whole things is likely to cause her embarrassment don't hestitate to tell me. I might not attempt to do it then. Matthias --------------------------------------------------------------- Matthias Radestock rade@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de mr3@doc.ic.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------- From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri May 28 06:21:48 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA10447; Fri, 28 May 93 06:16:38 -0700 Received: from netcom2.netcom.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA10443; Fri, 28 May 93 06:16:36 -0700 Received: by netcom2.netcom.com (5.65/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id AA25936; Fri, 28 May 93 06:15:49 -0700 Date: Fri, 28 May 93 06:15:49 -0700 From: slf@netcom.com (Sharon Fisher) Message-Id: <9305281315.AA25936@netcom2.netcom.com> To: mr3@doc.ic.ac.uk Cc: jitr In-Reply-To: Matthias Radestock's message of Fri, 28 May 93 12:34:50 +0100 <"frigate.do.343:28.04.93.11.35.03"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Subject: Sinead in the Guardian Status: OR Leave the poor woman alone. For Christ's sake, don't start stalking her house or her child. If it's that important for you to talk to her, then go through her agent or record company like a reputable person -- and which, I'm sure, is what the Guardian did. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri May 28 08:13:30 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA11471; Fri, 28 May 93 08:10:46 -0700 Received: from ruby.vcu.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA11467; Fri, 28 May 93 08:10:43 -0700 Received: from flint.ace.vcu.edu by Gems.VCU.EDU (PMDF V4.2-10 #3070) id <01GYPFOMIKN49BZORT@Gems.VCU.EDU>; Fri, 28 May 1993 10:53:49 EDT Received: From ACE/WORKQUEUE by flint.ace.vcu.edu via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.930528105328.352; 28 May 93 10:54:07 +500 Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 10:58:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Barbara Subject: Re: Sinead in the Guardian To: jitr Message-Id: X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v2.2 (R3). Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Pmrqc: 1 Status: OR WHAT'S GOING ON ....I MISSED A MESSAGE? WHO'S STALKING?????????????? From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri May 28 09:23:36 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA12431; Fri, 28 May 93 09:19:11 -0700 Received: from frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA12427; Fri, 28 May 93 09:19:07 -0700 Received: from localhost by frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <27254-0@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk>; Fri, 28 May 1993 17:19:07 +0100 To: slf@netcom.com (Sharon Fisher) Cc: jitr Subject: Re: Sinead in the Guardian In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 28 May 93 06:15:49 PDT." <9305281315.AA25936@netcom2.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 93 17:19:02 +0100 From: Matthias Radestock Message-Id: <"frigate.do.257:28.04.93.16.19.11"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Status: OR >Leave the poor woman alone. For Christ's sake, don't start stalking >her house or her child. > >If it's that important for you to talk to her, then go through her >agent or record company like a reputable person -- and which, I'm >sure, is what the Guardian did. > I see your point. But the situation is the following: 1) As I said: I'd prefer the first option. 2) The problem with record company/management is that they only arrange for interviews if you are from a moderatley famous station/paper -which I'm not. And I don't want to meet her for an interview anyway - well, maybe for an interview for jitr (that's why I posted this anyway). 3) You can trust my judgement of the situation: If I realize that she want's to be left alone, or in case I get to talk to her she tells me to piss off, you can be sure that I won't make any further attempts. For God's sake: I have a great respect for this woman! Prove for this: When I first met her (yes, I did before) I just said hello to her and quickly just asked two short questions. Other people at this occasion did this as well, but they all left her alone after these initial 10 minutes and she could enjoy the rest of the evening without beeing bothered by anybody. 4) I have seen it more than once that she was talking to complete strangers. Having some privacy doesn't mean not to talk to anybody! Anyway, I would probably have posted a similiar response if someone else had posted what I have. And the fact that I'm asking the list for advise should show that I'm aware of the problems too. Any further comments appreciated (they wont't stop me to go to the concert though). Matthias. --------------------------------------------------------------- Matthias Radestock rade@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de mr3@doc.ic.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------- From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri May 28 09:52:53 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA12858; Fri, 28 May 93 09:49:43 -0700 Received: from netcom3.netcom.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA12854; Fri, 28 May 93 09:49:40 -0700 Received: by netcom3.netcom.com (5.65/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id AA06736; Fri, 28 May 93 09:50:17 -0700 Date: Fri, 28 May 93 09:50:17 -0700 From: slf@netcom.com (Sharon Fisher) Message-Id: <9305281650.AA06736@netcom3.netcom.com> To: mr3@doc.ic.ac.uk Cc: jitr In-Reply-To: Matthias Radestock's message of Fri, 28 May 93 17:19:02 +0100 <"frigate.do.257:28.04.93.16.19.11"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Subject: Sinead in the Guardian Status: OR 2) The problem with record company/management is that they only arrange for interviews if you are from a moderatley famous station/paper -which I'm not. And I don't want to meet her for an interview anyway - well, maybe for an interview for jitr (that's why I posted this anyway). Then what is it you want to meet her for? Just so you can go "Neener, neener, neener, I met Sinead O' Connor"? If you did want to meet her for an interview for jitr, I can well imagine that the novelty of jitr might overcome the lack of fame. 3) You can trust my judgement of the situation: If I realize that she want's to be left alone, or in case I get to talk to her she tells me to piss off, you can be sure that I won't make any further attempts. That's big of you. Is it so remarkable to you that she might want to be left alone that you have to hear it from her? You have to put her through the stress of telling somebody who's been following her around to piss off? If it were me, and I saw somebody watching my house, following me around, and visiting my child's school, for God's sake, I'd call the cops. For God's sake: I have a great respect for this woman! Prove for this: When I first met her (yes, I did before) I just said hello to her and quickly just asked two short questions. Other people at this occasion did this as well, but they all left her alone after these initial 10 minutes and she could enjoy the rest of the evening without beeing bothered by anybody. This amazes me. "Gee, we only bothered her for ten minutes, see how much we care for her?" For goodness' sake, write her a letter, via her manager or her record company, and be honest about what it is that you want. That way, she can make her own decision without having to be bothered in public. 4) I have seen it more than once that she was talking to complete strangers. Having some privacy doesn't mean not to talk to anybody! So just because she does it with other people means she has to do it with you, too? Anyway, I would probably have posted a similiar response if someone else had posted what I have. And the fact that I'm asking the list for advise should show that I'm aware of the problems too. The fact that you're considering hanging around her house or her child's school suggests otherwise. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri May 28 10:16:03 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA13238; Fri, 28 May 93 10:13:56 -0700 Received: from frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA13234; Fri, 28 May 93 10:13:50 -0700 Received: from localhost by frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <02196-0@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk>; Fri, 28 May 1993 18:13:48 +0100 To: slf@netcom.com (Sharon Fisher) Cc: jitr Subject: Re: Sinead in the Guardian In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 28 May 93 09:50:17 PDT." <9305281650.AA06736@netcom3.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 93 18:13:43 +0100 From: Matthias Radestock Message-Id: <"frigate.do.205:28.04.93.17.13.56"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Status: OR OK, OK: Herewith I promise not to hang around her house, school, Jake's school. I think that beeing a celebrity she has to and is willing to pay a price - which is occasionally being bothered when appearing in public. Therefore I do believe that trying to catch her at the concert should be possible. She probably knows that there will be people around trying to talk to her, so either she decides not to met them (which I would accept) or .... The other options, I realize, go beyond this. So again - I will not do it. I might however try to find her in the dictionary and give her a ring (if she's in the dictionary she knows that people will call her; she'll have an answering machine anyway). I'll probably also try to get in touch with her management company again. I've tried this before. The point is: How can you explain to a computer illiterate in 2 minutes what an electronic mailing-list is? Let's face it: there is only one band which has realized the opportunties of the network (Negativland - there is one guy who regulary posts information provided by them for the network). Matthias --------------------------------------------------------------- Matthias Radestock rade@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de mr3@doc.ic.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------- BTW, keep on posting AND mailing me personally, as I don't receive any mail from jitr at the moment and the jitr-archive is not updated for some reason. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri May 28 12:35:43 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA15027; Fri, 28 May 93 12:33:41 -0700 Received: from cucis.cis.columbia.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA15022; Fri, 28 May 93 12:33:38 -0700 Received: from cpmc-mailgw.cis.columbia.edu by cucis.cis.columbia.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA77495; Fri, 28 May 1993 15:33:16 -0400 Received: From CURES/WORKQUEUE by cpmc-mailgw.cis.columbia.edu via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.930528153030.384; 28 May 93 15:31:05 +500 Message-Id: To: Matthias Radestock From: "Darin G. Wiggins" Date: 28 May 93 15:30:55 EDT Subject: Sinead in the Dictionary Cc: jitr X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v2.3 (R3). Status: OR > I might however try to find her in the dictionary and give her a ring (if > she's in the dictionary she knows that people will call her; she'll have > an answering machine anyway). > Matthias Radestock Let's see...Sinead...that's before "sinecure" but after "sindon"....Nope, she's not in the dictionary! -Sorry about the linguistic humor. No real harm meant. I just thought it was funny! Take it easy. ***************************************************************** Darin G. Wiggins Columbia University - College of Physicians and Surgeons wiggins@cpmail-nz.cis.columbia.edu ***************************************************************** From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri May 28 17:20:03 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA18275; Fri, 28 May 93 17:02:00 -0700 Received: from frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA18270; Fri, 28 May 93 17:01:55 -0700 Received: from doc.ic.ac.uk by frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk id <01773-0@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk>; Sat, 29 May 1993 01:02:22 +0100 From: Matthias Radestock Date: Sat, 29 May 1993 01:02:10 +0100 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.3 5/22/91) To: jitr Subject: Re: Sinead in the Guardian Message-Id: <"frigate.do.793:29.04.93.00.02.27"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Status: OR It's "directory" of cause. However, my dictionary has got 'Sinead' in it, in a separate section with all the names though. Matthias From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri May 28 18:52:21 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA09950; Fri, 28 May 93 04:34:47 -0700 Received: from [155.198.191.3] by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA09946; Fri, 28 May 93 04:34:37 -0700 Received: from localhost by frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <04341-0@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk>; Fri, 28 May 1993 12:35:01 +0100 To: jitr Subject: Re: Sinead in the Guardian Date: Fri, 28 May 93 12:34:50 +0100 From: Matthias Radestock Message-Id: <"frigate.do.343:28.04.93.11.35.03"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Status: OR OK, I've got my tickets for the Peace Together concert at The Point in Dublin. Although I know, that one of the reasons why Sinead has moved to Dublin again is that she wants to have her privacy, I'm still determined to meet her. I'm not a f***ing reporter or mad fan (well maybe I am) but someone who has done more to spread her ideas and opinions than most other people. When she can give an interview to the Guardian, she could also have a little chat with me :). So if there is anybody out there who has more detailed information about where exactly she lives let me know immedeatly!! And to Alan: Did they perhaps had a photograph of her house in the Guardian? Would make things easier for me. The options are the following: 1. Meet her before or after the concert (which is on June 5th BTW). 2. Catch her at the Parnell School of Music. 3. Look her up in the directory (probably thousands of O'Connor, S., but together with the name of the suburb it might be possible). 4. Find her house. 5. Catch her at Jake's school. I would prefer the first one. The others don't necessarily lead to a good first impression :). Anyway, in case I'm really that lucky, I'll certainly tell her about jitr, my radio show and my work for a student newspaper (I told you - I'm doing quite a lot of things). Questions to the list: 1. What should I say first ? (I don't want to call this a "Chat Up Line") 2. What else should I say to / ask her ? If you think the whole things is likely to cause her embarrassment don't hestitate to tell me. I might not attempt to do it then. Matthias --------------------------------------------------------------- Matthias Radestock rade@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de mr3@doc.ic.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------- From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri May 28 23:29:19 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA01412; Fri, 28 May 93 23:20:18 -0700 Received: from uhura.cc.rochester.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA01408; Fri, 28 May 93 23:20:14 -0700 Received: by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (4.1/1.16) id AA21069; Sat, 29 May 93 02:20:49 EDT From: Leonidas Hepis Message-Id: <9305290620.AA21069@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: Re: Sinead in the Guardian To: jitr Date: Sat, 29 May 93 2:20:48 EDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > Dublin again is that she wants to have her privacy, I'm still determined > to meet her. I'm not a f***ing reporter or mad fan (well maybe I am) but > someone who has done more to spread her ideas and opinions than most other > people. I'm not as much of a fanatic Sinead fan anymore, but I guess I would still want to chat with her for a couple of minutes if I could get the chance. I think that Sinead should appreciate that despite the controversy she stirs, there are people who want to meet her, not to spit on her face, but to tell her how much they agree with what she stands for. So I think you should put a fair amount of effort in meeting her, but like you said, pay attention to the signals: don't go too far. And tell her that we stand quite united behind her... > Questions to the list: > 1. What should I say first ? (I don't want to call this a "Chat Up Line") "Oh Sinead, you sweet little bald chick, you!" :-) Ok, flame me, I'm just quoting what some other guy used to start a flame a month ago :-) > 2. What else should I say to / ask her ? I don't know, but if I were you I would try to rub my unshaved chin on her head so that it makes some funny noise :-) :-) > If you think the whole things is likely to cause her embarrassment don't > hestitate to tell me. I might not attempt to do it then. It *will* cause her embarrassment, if you do what I suggested above. -leo, in a very stupid mood at 2:30 am, like you couldn't tell :-) -- "The longer I live the more I see that I am never wrong | Leonidas Hepis about anything, and that all the pains I have so humbly | taken to verify my notions have only wasted my time." | lhep_ltd@uhura George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) | .cc.rochester.edu From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sat May 29 06:01:17 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA03111; Sat, 29 May 93 05:52:12 -0700 Received: from frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA03107; Sat, 29 May 93 05:52:07 -0700 Received: from localhost by frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <21204-0@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk>; Sat, 29 May 1993 13:52:38 +0100 To: jitr Subject: Why do I want to meet her? Date: Sat, 29 May 93 13:52:32 +0100 From: Matthias Radestock Message-Id: <"frigate.do.208:29.04.93.12.52.40"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Status: OR I've thought about this for a long time. To explain it to you I have to start with my beliefs: I think that: 1) there is something fundamentally wrong with the current system 2) there has to be a change very soon or it will be to late 3) this change doesn't happen 'automatically' 4) the more people become aware of this fact the more likely it is going to happen 5) all those who have realized that should do the best they can with all means they have to get this 'message' across. It has a lot to do with what I am aiming for in life. So what do I do at the moment (regarding this issue): Well, mostly discuss with other people and try to figure out to which point we do agree and where we have different opinions. To most people the views I have appear to be strange, but during the discussion most of them realize that their own views are basically not that different. We usually agree up to 4) Anyway, the whole thing about 5) is the own commitment. It's the 'active' part. So what do I want to discuss with Sinead is: 1) How much does she really believe what she says? Is she really that kind of person that is such determined and commited regarding this issues? (I think she is, but there is no other way to find this out than to talk to her) 2) What's her definition of child-abuse? She blames everything on it. So is it just physical abuse (that what she seems to be talking about most the time) or does it include mental abuse as well? I don't think that the reason for all evil is child-abuse in it's common definition. In my opinion it's either just one of the causes (maybe not even this but rather a manifestation of something else) or one has to have a very open definition of it. 3) Can you really blame the church as an institution for everything? Growing up in a former socialist country I never really came across the institution church. Still the system was bad. So it could'nt have been the church with was responsible for it. 4) What role does God play? Much of this question was clarified in the ITV interview. However I don't believe in God. So what I want to find out is where we actually need God in this whole process. I hope this clears things up. And as I said earlier. I do discuss the same topics with virtually anybody I meet. What makes the difference is that unlike most people I come across we also seem to agree on 5). This would make it a very valuable discussion for me. From her point of view: being a figurehead (might be the wrong word, sorry) for these things she certainly comes across more people with the same beliefs. However there is hardly anybody with whom you can agree on everything. So finding out what other people that seem to be on her side think should be valuable for her too. That's what I hope. The whole thing only works if both sides can gain something from this. And as the Guardian interview reveals she seems to enjoy (?) talking about these issues. It depends whether it is just the wide audience she reaches with this that makes her doing this. Or is it the process of thinking about these things and discussing them with other people. If so I think she might really enjoy talking to me. And if not...it would be pointless for me to get into a deeper conversation with her as I wouldn't get the answers I'd expect. I would be disappointed but wouldn't bother her with further questions then and remain just a stranger who likes her music (which I always will, regardless of the outcome) and got the chance to say 'Hello' to her. It's unlikely that record company/management show any interest in this. So the official channels to get through to her are not going to work. And as I want to be honest to myself and anybody else, I don't want to pretend that my interests are any that could bring them money. I could do a special feature in my radio show. I could get an article printed in our student newspaper. I could post things to the INTERNET. But pretending that this is what I really want (although I would like to do it) would be a lie. Matthias --------------------------------------------------------------- Matthias Radestock rade@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de mr3@doc.ic.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------- From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sat May 29 12:01:10 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA04387; Sat, 29 May 93 11:59:25 -0700 Received: from cucis.cis.columbia.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA04383; Sat, 29 May 93 11:59:23 -0700 Received: from cpmc-mailgw.cis.columbia.edu by cucis.cis.columbia.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA50741; Sat, 29 May 1993 14:59:34 -0400 Received: From CURES/WORKQUEUE by cpmc-mailgw.cis.columbia.edu via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.930529145642.256; 29 May 93 14:56:54 +500 Message-Id: To: Matthias Radestock From: "Darin G. Wiggins" Date: 29 May 93 14:57:10 EDT Subject: Stalking Sinead Cc: jitr X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v2.3 (R3). Status: OR > From: Matthias Radestock > Herewith I promise not to hang around her house, school, Jake's school. This promise didn't last very long now did it? [stuff about meeting her at a public appearance deleted] > The other options, I realize, go beyond this. So again - I will not do it. Here you display a fair amount of sound logic...what happened? > I'll probably also try to get in touch with her management company again. IMHO, this is the most sane option, although admittedly the least likely to succeed. In the end you must leave it up to her. Even though she is a public figure she does have a right to privacy. In the US we now have "stalking" laws to protect public figures from overly zealous fans/enemies. I'm not saying that you mean her any harm, but if you proceed to hunt her down outside of a public appearance then you are invading on her privacy. And in my opinion, that's wrong. In a later post you make an argument that you just want to talk with her about things you'd want to discuss with any human being. I ask you how many times have you approached a total stranger and tried to discuss these issues? In effect that's what you're doing here. As far as she's concerned *you* are a total stranger! I realize that you like this woman and that you evidently believe in some of the values that she expresses, and that you want to discuss them in a more in depth manner with her. If this is the way you feel then you should write her a letter. Outline your questions/concerns and ask to meet with her or at least for a written response. I know this isn't the ideal encounter in your mind and it might pan out to nothing but it does keep her privacy intact. I am sure that you are not the first Sinead fan to attempt to catch her in private. I am equally sure that she has become quite feed up with overly eager fans and has mastered the art of dealing with them. I'm afraid that her reaction to you will not be one that you desire or expect. That's the way I see it. Take it easy and hold onto your sanity. ***************************************************************** Darin G. Wiggins Columbia University - College of Physicians and Surgeons wiggins@cpmail-nz.cis.columbia.edu ***************************************************************** From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sun May 30 04:21:13 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA08239; Sun, 30 May 93 04:15:34 -0700 Received: from frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA08235; Sun, 30 May 93 04:15:22 -0700 Received: from localhost by frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <20132-0@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk>; Sun, 30 May 1993 12:15:25 +0100 To: "Darin G. Wiggins" Cc: jitr Subject: Re: Stalking Sinead In-Reply-To: Your message of "29 May 93 14:57:10 EDT." Date: Sun, 30 May 93 12:15:18 +0100 From: Matthias Radestock Message-Id: <"frigate.do.135:30.04.93.11.15.28"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Status: OR >From: "Darin G. Wiggins" >Date: 29 May 93 14:57:10 EDT >Subject: Stalking Sinead >Cc: jitr@presto.ig.com >X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v2.3 (R3). > >> From: Matthias Radestock > >> Herewith I promise not to hang around her house, school, Jake's school. > >This promise didn't last very long now did it? > It still holds! What makes you think that it doesn't ? >[stuff about meeting her at a public appearance deleted] > >> The other options, I realize, go beyond this. So again - I will not do it. > >Here you display a fair amount of sound logic...what happened? > I'm a computer scientist :) So I usually (from my point of view) think logically. However, one think I share with lots of other people (no names mentioned :)) - I sometimes can't express my logical thoughts logically. >> I'll probably also try to get in touch with her management company again. > >IMHO, this is the most sane option, although admittedly the >least likely to succeed. In the end you must leave it up to her. That's not "leaving it up to her" but "leaving it up to her management" - which is a major difference as I explained in my later posting. >Even though she is a public figure she does have a right to >privacy. In the US we now have "stalking" laws to protect public >figures from overly zealous fans/enemies. I'm not saying that >you mean her any harm, but if you proceed to hunt her down >outside of a public appearance then you are invading on her >privacy. And in my opinion, that's wrong. Agreed, see above - promise still holds. >In a later post you make an argument that you just want to talk >with her about things you'd want to discuss with any human >being. I ask you how many times have you approached a total >stranger and tried to discuss these issues? In effect that's >what you're doing here. As far as she's concerned *you* are a >total stranger! All the projects she got involved in - do you really think that it was always her that took the first step? I do believe that there are total strangers approaching her, NOT going through her management. But of course I do realize that she'll decide whether she wants to talk to somebody within seconds. That doesn't make it easy for me. >I realize that you like this woman and that you >evidently believe in some of the values that she expresses, and >that you want to discuss them in a more in depth manner with >her. If this is the way you feel then you should write her a >letter. Outline your questions/concerns and ask to meet with her >or at least for a written response. I know this isn't the ideal >encounter in your mind and it might pan out to nothing but it >does keep her privacy intact. I would much prefer to write her a letter. But how, if there is this bloody management company inbetween? The letter would never get to her! I explained this in my other posting. >I am sure that you are not the first Sinead fan to attempt to >catch her in private. I am equally sure that she has become >quite feed up with overly eager fans and has mastered the art >of dealing with them. I'm afraid that her reaction to you will >not be one that you desire or expect. Agreed - see above. I know that the chances are small. Am I an overly eager fan? Maybe I am. Is what I want, what an average overly eager fan would want? I don't think so. (With fan I mean SOC fan of course - which is a difference: I don't shave my head, wear a T-shirt, ask for autographs, fall on my knees in front of her, have my flat decorated with posters of her, etc.) I think what she is feed up with (and if I was her I would equally be) is being ask the same (mostly stupid) questions over and over again by people who have no other interest than getting a good story. I mean how much of the things she apparently wants to discuss came across in the Guardian interview? She certainly does meet totally strangers and talks to them. Otherwise she would completely lose touch (probably wrong phrase) with the "real life". >That's the way I see it. >Take it easy and hold onto your sanity. Again, the promise holds. --------------------------------------------------------------- Matthias Radestock rade@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de mr3@doc.ic.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------- From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sun May 30 11:18:43 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA09866; Sun, 30 May 93 11:15:53 -0700 Received: from uhura.cc.rochester.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA09862; Sun, 30 May 93 11:15:50 -0700 Received: by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (4.1/1.16) id AA13202; Sun, 30 May 93 14:12:10 EDT From: Leonidas Hepis Message-Id: <9305301812.AA13202@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: Re: Stalking Sinead To: mr3@doc.ic.ac.uk (Matthias Radestock) Date: Sun, 30 May 93 14:12:10 EDT Cc: WIGGINS@cpmail-nz.cis.columbia.edu, jitr In-Reply-To: <"frigate.do.135:30.04.93.11.15.28"@doc.ic.ac.uk>; from "Matthias Radestock" at May 30, 93 12:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > I would much prefer to > write her a letter. But how, if there is this bloody management company > inbetween? The letter would never get to her! I explained this in my other > posting. Write her a letter telling her about the situation. (Have the letter delivered to her house, not her business address.) Tell her about your goals and why you want to meet her. Write to her about the support that you have for her and the beliefs that you share, but also mention there are things that a lot of people don't understand and that those things she hasn't explained in previous interviews. Tell her that you were talking to friends at the local cafeteria and they suggested you 'accidentally' meet her at Jake's school or outside her house where you'd be selling corn :-) Tell her that you *immediately* dismissed the idea as stalking. Tell her that anything that could be remotely seen as invasion of privacy is something that you would never do to her. Get her on your side. Make her think that you approach her with a lot of respect and that you wouldn't resort to scare tactics of other obscessed fans. And make her think that she needs to make a few things clear. If this doesn't succeed, then maybe she's not worth meeting you. -leo ps. And oh, btw, the finale of the letter is the most important part of it. Write something that will stay with her for a while, something like "Oh Sinead, you sweet little bald chick, you! How much I'd love to rub my unshaved chin on your head so that it makes some funny noise!" :-) :-) [ I'm serious about everything above this paragraph, though...] -- "The longer I live the more I see that I am never wrong | Leonidas Hepis about anything, and that all the pains I have so humbly | taken to verify my notions have only wasted my time." | lhep_ltd@uhura George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) | .cc.rochester.edu From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sun May 30 11:33:16 1993 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA09923; Sun, 30 May 93 11:30:53 -0700 Received: from netcom2.netcom.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA09919; Sun, 30 May 93 11:30:52 -0700 Received: by netcom2.netcom.com (5.65/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id AA10995; Sun, 30 May 93 11:31:57 -0700 Date: Sun, 30 May 93 11:31:57 -0700 From: slf@netcom.com (Sharon Fisher) Message-Id: <9305301831.AA10995@netcom2.netcom.com> To: lhep_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu Cc: mr3@doc.ic.ac.uk, WIGGINS@cpmail-nz.cis.columbia.edu, jitr In-Reply-To: Leonidas Hepis's message of Sun, 30 May 93 14:12:10 EDT <9305301812.AA13202@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: Stalking Sinead Status: OR She's not bald any more, according to the Guardian article.