From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sat Oct 3 23:25:02 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA14914; Sat, 3 Oct 92 22:55:21 -0700 Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA14894; Sat, 3 Oct 92 22:53:42 -0700 Received: from E40-008-8.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA11906; Sun, 4 Oct 92 01:53:34 EDT From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Received: by e40-008-8.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA28401; Sun, 4 Oct 92 01:53:31 -0400 Message-Id: <9210040553.AA28401@e40-008-8.MIT.EDU> To: jitr Subject: SNL 10/3/92 Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 01:53:26 EDT Status: OR Hi, *WOW* Any comments? Angelos From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sun Oct 4 10:16:03 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA18596; Sun, 4 Oct 92 09:49:52 -0700 Received: from oak.cc.swarthmore.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA18591; Sun, 4 Oct 92 09:48:14 -0700 Received: by oak.cc.swarthmore.edu (sendmail 5.57/oak05-20-92) id AA22488; Sun, 4 Oct 92 12:47:57 -0400 Received: by larch.cc.swarthmore.edu (sendmail 5.57/client04-17-92) id AA24691; Sun, 4 Oct 92 12:47:56 -0400 Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 12:47:56 -0400 From: news@cc.swarthmore.edu Message-Id: <9210041647.AA24691@larch.cc.swarthmore.edu> To: jitr Status: OR Newsgroups: swat.list.sinead Path: klawton1@cc.swarthmore.edu From: klawton1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Kathleen England Lawton) Subject: Re: SNL 10/3/92 Message-ID: Sender: news@cc.swarthmore.edu (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: mac11.public.swarthmore.edu Organization: Swarthmore College Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 16:47:51 GMT My roommate thought the Pope tearing up was grievously insulting, but I thought it was great. Her song was stupendous, as well...  From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sun Oct 4 14:55:35 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA20052; Sun, 4 Oct 92 14:29:25 -0700 Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA20046; Sun, 4 Oct 92 14:27:47 -0700 Received: from E40-008-12.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA29630; Sun, 4 Oct 92 17:26:19 EDT From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Received: by e40-008-12.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA18886; Sun, 4 Oct 92 17:25:55 -0400 Message-Id: <9210042125.AA18886@e40-008-12.MIT.EDU> To: jitr Cc: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: Sinead: What she said. Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 17:25:43 EDT Status: OR Hi, Through the wonders of video technology here's what Sinead sang during SNL: Until the philosophy that holds one race superior and another inferior Is finally and permanently discretited and abandoned Everywhere is war Until there's no longer first class or second class citizens of any nation Until the color of a man's skin is of no more significance than the color of his eyes I've got to say war That until the basic human rights are equally guaranteed to all Without regard to race I say war Until that day the dream of lasting peace, world citizenship, And the rule of international morality will remain just a fleeting illusion To be pursued but never attained And everywhere is war Until the ignoble and unhappy regime which holds us through Child abuse, yeah, subhuman bondage Has been toppled, utterly destroyed Everywhere there is war War in the east, war in the west War up north, war down south There's war, and the rumours of war Until that day there is no continent which will know peace Children, children, right, we find it necessary We know we will win, we have confidence In the victory of good Over evil FIGHT THE REAL ENEMY The star of David was IMHO mostdefinitely *NOT* a fashion accessory, since she didn't wear it during 'Success'. The burning question is what flag was on her shawl? That would explain some things. Has there been *any* reaction to this? Angelos From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sun Oct 4 15:01:56 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA20098; Sun, 4 Oct 92 14:35:38 -0700 Received: from meshugge.media.mit.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA20076; Sun, 4 Oct 92 14:34:00 -0700 Received: by meshugge.media.mit.edu (4.1/DA1.0.2) id AA26539; Sun, 4 Oct 92 17:35:33 EDT Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 17:35:33 EDT From: David N. Blank-Edelman Message-Id: <9210042135.AA26539@meshugge.media.mit.edu> To: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Cc: jitr, ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu's message of Sun, 04 Oct 92 17:25:43 EDT <9210042125.AA18886@e40-008-12.MIT.EDU> Subject: Sinead: What she said. Status: OR > The star of David was IMHO mostdefinitely *NOT* a fashion accessory, > since she didn't wear it during 'Success'. Dunno. I don't think a change of jewlery rules out the possibility that it was part of the "costume" for that number. I think she may have also changed dresses (the second one looked more low cut). Is this correct? > The burning question is what flag was on her shawl? That would > explain some things. Has there been *any* reaction to this? A great question, I was wondering that as well. She was also carrying this shawl prominently around during the credits (where it looked like no one wanted to hug her!). The credits scene made it look like she was offering other people a hand towel. This is one entertainer who needs Cliff notes in my opinion. Peace, dNb From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sun Oct 4 18:23:12 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA21244; Sun, 4 Oct 92 17:57:08 -0700 Received: from iitmax.iit.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA21236; Sun, 4 Oct 92 17:55:30 -0700 Received: from elof.iit.edu by iitmax.iit.edu with SMTP id AA26344 (5.64+/IDA/NIU-1.3.1 for jitr@presto.ig.com); Sun, 4 Oct 92 19:55:16 -0500 Received: by elof.iit.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-1.0) id AA06282; Sun, 4 Oct 92 19:55:12 EST Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 19:55:12 EST From: boarjas@elof.iit.edu (Jason Boardman) Message-Id: <9210050055.AA06282@ elof.iit.edu > To: jitr Subject: SNL Status: OR One thing I might point out...Sinead's beef with the Pope is not one against Christianity or God, because I have her recently quoted as believing in God, but I also have read alot about how she thinks Catholicism is destroying people. I also noticed that she was kinda ignored at the end during the credits. (If only she knew who would really give her some attention!). I do know one thing... due to the drastic nature of change of this new album, and now this Pope thing. Her popularity is going to go WAY down-- maybe even worse than the national anthem business. Plus, with SNL being LIVE and all-- I wonder if they knew she was going to do that?! -Jason "Still behind Sinead 110%" Boardman boarjas@elof.iit.edu From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Oct 5 00:09:53 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA23192; Sun, 4 Oct 92 23:42:33 -0700 Received: from pilot.njin.net by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA23185; Sun, 4 Oct 92 23:40:55 -0700 Received: by pilot.njin.net (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA20698; Mon, 5 Oct 92 02:40:42 EDT Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 2:40:41 EDT From: Ode To: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Cc: jitr, ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Sinead: What she said. In-Reply-To: Your message of Sun, 04 Oct 92 17:25:43 EDT Message-Id: Status: OR Angelos, David Blank-Edelman and Steve VanD, thank for the updates (and thoughts) about Sinead. I missed it :-( but I hope it doesn't cause such an uproar that they don't repeat that episode. I never watch SNL, but I would have if I'd known that Sinead was going to be on. Was it mentioned in jitr? Just today in the Chicago Tribune Sunday, there was an article about Sinead (and kd lang) but I haven't read it yet. I'll be checking tomorrow's paper, because the Sunday came out too soon to mention anything. > The star of David was IMHO mostdefinitely *NOT* a fashion accessory, since > she didn't wear it during 'Success'. The burning question is what flag > was on her shawl? That would explain some things. Has there been *any* > reaction to this? > > Angelos Well, I went to the store today and two of the checkout guys were talking about it. One of them thought it was a hoot, the other wasn't offended, but felt bad for those who might be. My own opinion is that this is probably the most interesting thing to happen on SNL for years. I'm *really* sorry I missed it! I didn't answer all the messages I wanted to (Meredith, I'll tell you the story of Victoria later) but it's bed time. I'm going to see the group Betty tomorrow night. (Chicagophiles, it's at the Cubby Bear, 8:pm. They should be a lot of fun.) Vickie vickie@pilot.njin.net _________ |_ _ | _ Fuzzy Blue Wonderland "We're waking up |__|_ ||_| "There is a road straight yes it's good" to my heart" From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Oct 5 03:05:46 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA25526; Mon, 5 Oct 92 02:38:59 -0700 Received: from zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA25478; Mon, 5 Oct 92 02:35:47 -0700 Message-Id: <9210050935.AA25478@presto.ig.com> Received: from bt-web.bt.co.uk by zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk via DECnet inbound channel id <09496-0@zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk>; Mon, 5 Oct 1992 10:34:26 +0100 X-Vms-To: R11F::ATHENA.MIT.EDU::KYRLIDIS,R11F::PRESTO.IG.COM::JITR To: jitr From: katz_p_m@bt-web.bt.co.uk Subject: RE: Sinead: What she said. Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 10:34:26 +0100 Status: OR From: NAME: Philip Katz [DIP11 ] FUNC: DIP11 TEL: 0394-693446 To: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu@R11F@MRGATE@WEBCS CC: jitr@presto.ig.com@UNET The lyrics quoted ("Until the philosophy ...") are the text of a speech made by Haile Selaisse, King of Ethiopia and guru of the Rastafarians. It was turned into a "song" by Bob Marley and features on the _Rastaman Vibration_ album (I think), where the liner notes give more details of the speech (date, location, etc.) Philip From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Oct 5 10:57:16 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA08673; Mon, 5 Oct 92 10:55:34 -0700 Received: from rpi.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA08668; Mon, 5 Oct 92 10:55:29 -0700 Received: from client.its.rpi.edu (vccsouth23.its.rpi.edu) by rpi.edu (4.1/SMHUB33); id AA24042; Mon, 5 Oct 92 13:55:17 EDT for jitr@presto.ig.com Received: by client.its.rpi.edu (4.1/SUB15); id AA17383; Mon, 5 Oct 92 13:55:09 EDT for jitr@presto.ig.com Message-Id: <9210051755.AA17383@client.its.rpi.edu> To: jitr Subject: News Article on SINEAD's S.N.L. performance Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 13:55:08 -0400 From: Ron Buckmire Status: OR NEW YORK -- Roman Catholic leaders expressed puzzlement and dismay at Irish singer Sinead O'Connor for tearing up a photo of Pope John Paul II and shouting ``fight the real enemy'' on NBC television's ``Saturday Night Live.'' NBC said it got more than 500 calls from viewers after the nearly bald singer made her pro-choice protest on SNL. --- RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy NY 12180-3735. ***Clinton-Gore 92!*** vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet "No question in my mind, we've got a large number of gays in military service." --Dick Cheney, U.S. Secretary of Defense, in USA TODAY, June 27 1991. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Oct 5 22:27:59 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA25041; Mon, 5 Oct 92 22:27:30 -0700 Received: from rpi.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA25037; Mon, 5 Oct 92 22:27:28 -0700 Received: from sub.its.rpi.edu (marcus.its.rpi.edu) by rpi.edu (4.1/SMHUB33); id AA20538; Tue, 6 Oct 92 01:27:03 EDT for jitr@presto.ig.com Received: by sub.its.rpi.edu (AIX 3.1/UCB 5.61/RPI-ITS-SUB13-AIXV3) via SMTP; id AA55507; Mon, 5 Oct 92 22:21:31 -0400 for ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu@rpi.edu Message-Id: <9210060221.AA55507@sub.its.rpi.edu> To: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Cc: jitr, ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Sinead: What she said. Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 22:21:30 EDT From: Ron Buckmire Status: OR On Sunday, October 4 1992, kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu wrote: > > FIGHT THE REAL ENEMY > > The star of David was IMHO mostdefinitely *NOT* a fashion accessory, since > she didn't wear it during 'Success'. The burning question is what flag > was on her shawl? That would explain some things. Has there been *any* > reaction to this? There have been soundbites on CNN and HEADLINE NEWS as well as UPI and AP stories about it and reaction from Catholic officials in NY. --- RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. `D.C. in 93!'' vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet "I might be President by now if it weren't for this 'queer' thing" -Gore Vidal From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Oct 6 10:04:22 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA06897; Tue, 6 Oct 92 10:03:31 -0700 Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA06892; Tue, 6 Oct 92 10:03:23 -0700 Received: from CARMEL.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA01409; Tue, 6 Oct 92 13:03:11 EDT From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Received: by carmel (5.57/4.7) id AA02883; Tue, 6 Oct 92 13:03:08 -0400 Message-Id: <9210061703.AA02883@carmel> To: jitr Subject: Sinead banned for life on SNL Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 13:03:07 EDT Status: OR Hi, Sinead was the second top story on the NBC news last night!!! They showed horrified people condemning her, and surprisingly a supporter from a local pro-choice group. They mentioned that she is banned from ever performing again on SNL [I wonder if the show itself will be around til Sinead's next album]. They received 900 phone calls against vs 7 phone calls for Sinead. Angelos From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Oct 6 10:33:27 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA07655; Tue, 6 Oct 92 10:32:50 -0700 Received: from whistler.sfu.ca by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA07651; Tue, 6 Oct 92 10:32:43 -0700 Received: from okeefe.cstudies.sfu.ca by whistler.sfu.ca (5.65/SFU-2.0) id AA18277; Tue, 6 Oct 92 10:32:33 -0700 Message-Id: <9210061732.AA18277@whistler.sfu.ca> Sender: okeefe@sfu.ca Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 10:33:21 +0000 To: jitr From: okeefe@sfu.ca Subject: Re: Sinead banned for life on SNL Status: OR >Hi, > >Sinead was the second top story on the NBC news last night!!! They showed >horrified people condemning her, and surprisingly a supporter from a >local pro-choice group. They mentioned that she is banned from ever performing >again on SNL [I wonder if the show itself will be around til Sinead's next >album]. They received 900 phone calls against vs 7 phone calls for Sinead. > >Angelos What a bunch of fucking hypocrites. What a bunch of self righteous, cowardly, mealy mouthed gits. That feels better. Seriously, folks, does anyone think that if a male rock star of equal stature and reputation did something similar, ie made a strong and unexpected political statement on national TV, that this storm would have erupted with quite so much fury? This is the same show that booked Andrew Dice Clay to perform, remember. I guess their guests are allowed to be controversial only within limits - the controversy has to sell more advertising time. Why do I think that next we'll be hearing for a boycott of the new album? Rant, rant, rant. I'm behind Sinead completely. Still. And I've seen enoughof the damage that the Catholic church has done to cheer any attempt to knock the Pope of his throne. That throne sits on the backs of the poor, and on the backs of women. Juliet "Being what I am There is no other Troy for me to burn." - Sinead From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Oct 6 11:02:55 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA08480; Tue, 6 Oct 92 11:00:25 -0700 Received: from world.std.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA08476; Tue, 6 Oct 92 11:00:21 -0700 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA00991; Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:00:13 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:00:13 -0400 From: eliz@world.std.com (Elizabeth Lear Newman) Message-Id: <199210061800.AA00991@world.std.com> To: jitr Subject: Re: Sinead: What she said. Status: OR I had taped the show, and when I watched it the next morning all I could think was "Was the audience told not to respond, or do they just not know how to react?". My next thought was, "Well, either way, this will certainly get some attention". :) FYI - The Boston Globe article identified her shawl as having the colors of the Rastafarian flag on it. ...eliz From dione@asgard.lpl.arizona.edu Tue Oct 6 11:33:13 1992 Received: from Merlin.Telcom.Arizona.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA09310; Tue, 6 Oct 92 11:33:06 -0700 Received: from argus.lpl.arizona.edu by Arizona.edu (PMDF #2381 ) id <01GPMKUUBQR499DUET@Arizona.edu>; Tue, 6 Oct 1992 11:32:34 MST Received: from asgard.lpl.Arizona.EDU.LPL-West by argus.lpl.arizona.edu; Tue, 6 Oct 92 10:57:34 MST Received: from achilles.lpl.Arizona.EDU.LPL-West by asgard.lpl.Arizona.EDU.LPL-West (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21520; Tue, 6 Oct 92 10:57:29 MST Date: 06 Oct 1992 10:57:29 -0700 (MST) From: dione@asgard.lpl.arizona.edu (Matt Cheselka) Subject: Re: Sinead banned for life on SNL To: jitr-request Message-Id: <9210061757.AA21520@asgard.lpl.Arizona.EDU.LPL-West> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: OR I just want to add my support for Sinead's fantastic statement on SNL. What she said was right. Peace, Matt Cheselka From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Oct 6 12:01:59 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA10085; Tue, 6 Oct 92 12:01:22 -0700 Received: from splatter.nas.nasa.gov by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA10078; Tue, 6 Oct 92 12:01:19 -0700 Received: by splatter.nas.nasa.gov (5.61/1.34) id AA20483; Tue, 6 Oct 92 12:01:15 -0700 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 12:01:15 -0700 From: bross@nas.nasa.gov (Wilson S. Ross) Message-Id: <9210061901.AA20483@splatter.nas.nasa.gov> To: jitr Subject: counter calls? Status: OR Anyone have a number (SNL, etc) to call in support? Bill Ross From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Oct 6 12:34:14 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA10703; Tue, 6 Oct 92 12:33:33 -0700 Received: from whistler.sfu.ca by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA10698; Tue, 6 Oct 92 12:33:29 -0700 Received: from okeefe.cstudies.sfu.ca by whistler.sfu.ca (5.65/SFU-2.0) id AA25258; Tue, 6 Oct 92 12:33:07 -0700 Message-Id: <9210061933.AA25258@whistler.sfu.ca> Sender: okeefe@sfu.ca Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 12:33:56 +0000 To: bross@nas.nasa.gov(Wilson S. Ross) From: okeefe@sfu.ca Subject: Re: counter calls? Cc: jitr Status: OR >Anyone have a number (SNL, etc) to call in support? If you hear of one, could you post it to the list? Also: has anyone heard if there have been public expressions of support? (Would anyone dare?) I would sure love to hear on the news tonight that there were a few bands or other musicians/artists, (or whoever, people with a public profile) lining up behind her. Has Peter Gabriel commented? Thanks Juliet From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Oct 6 13:22:52 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA11534; Tue, 6 Oct 92 13:22:09 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA11363; Tue, 6 Oct 92 13:15:32 -0700 Resent-Message-Id: <9210062015.AA11363@presto.ig.com> Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 13:15:22 -0800 Resent-From: mcb@presto.ig.com (Michael C. Berch) Subject: Fw: Re: Sinead banned for life on SNL Resent-To: jitr Received: from Merlin.Telcom.Arizona.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA09310; Tue, 6 Oct 92 11:33:06 -0700 Received: from argus.lpl.arizona.edu by Arizona.edu (PMDF #2381 ) id <01GPMKUUBQR499DUET@Arizona.edu>; Tue, 6 Oct 1992 11:32:34 MST Received: from asgard.lpl.Arizona.EDU.LPL-West by argus.lpl.arizona.edu; Tue, 6 Oct 92 10:57:34 MST Received: from achilles.lpl.Arizona.EDU.LPL-West by asgard.lpl.Arizona.EDU.LPL-West (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21520; Tue, 6 Oct 92 10:57:29 MST Date: 06 Oct 1992 10:57:29 -0700 (MST) From: dione@asgard.lpl.arizona.edu (Matt Cheselka) Subject: Re: Sinead banned for life on SNL To: jitr-request Message-Id: <9210061757.AA21520@asgard.lpl.Arizona.EDU.LPL-West> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: OR I just want to add my support for Sinead's fantastic statement on SNL. What she said was right. Peace, Matt Cheselka From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Oct 6 15:52:27 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA14428; Tue, 6 Oct 92 15:51:38 -0700 Received: from seismo.CSS.GOV by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA14424; Tue, 6 Oct 92 15:51:34 -0700 Received: from beno.CSS.GOV by seismo.CSS.GOV (5.65/1.14) id AA04417; Tue, 6 Oct 92 18:51:15 -0400 Received: by beno.CSS.GOV (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04265; Tue, 6 Oct 92 18:51:14 EDT Message-Id: <9210062251.AA04265@beno.CSS.GOV> To: jitr Cc: okeefe@sfu.ca Subject: phone number of nbc Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 18:51:13 -0400 From: "David S. Comay" Status: OR the phone number to call to express support (or dismay, if you wish) for sinead is (212) 664-4444. i called this morning and left a message expressing my support for her, and encouraging the producers of s.n.l. to book other uncompromising artists in the future. my own thoughts on her performance is that it was the most powerful one i've seen on a mainstream network show in a long time. i hope other artists show their support in the coming weeks ... dsc From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Oct 7 07:47:52 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA24478; Wed, 7 Oct 92 07:47:06 -0700 Received: from splatter.nas.nasa.gov by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA24474; Wed, 7 Oct 92 07:47:04 -0700 Received: by splatter.nas.nasa.gov (5.61/1.34) id AA22968; Wed, 7 Oct 92 07:47:01 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 07:47:01 -0700 From: bross@nas.nasa.gov (Wilson S. Ross) Message-Id: <9210071447.AA22968@splatter.nas.nasa.gov> To: jitr Subject: phone # Status: OR the phone number to call to express support (or dismay, if you wish) for sinead is (212) 664-4444. This # answered "Channel 4" (& took a msg) - is there a network #, or is this a network flagship station? Bill Ross From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Oct 7 08:11:02 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA24777; Wed, 7 Oct 92 08:10:37 -0700 Received: from hydra.gatech.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA24773; Wed, 7 Oct 92 08:10:34 -0700 Received: by hydra.gatech.edu (5.65c/3.1) id AA05809; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 11:10:14 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 11:10:14 -0400 From: gt5026a@prism.gatech.edu (gt5026a THOMAS,DANA KIMBERLY) Message-Id: <199210071510.AA05809@prism.gatech.edu> To: eliz@world.std.com, jitr Subject: Re: Sinead: What she said. Status: OR I, too, noticed that disturbing silence at the end of her song, and I, myself, wondered whether I should laugh or not. Of course, it got to me, and I just had to smile and say, "Well, isn't that just like Sinead?" I wasn't offended by it; it just seems like the type of performance you see of her: she made a statement about her own beliefs, and now the media and the church, etc. are going to go crazy over one woman's interpretation. It is disheartening to find out that she's been banned from performing on SNL again. Geez, what'll be next? Banned in America completely? Let's hope not. I haven't heard much in terms of response besides what the people here on the group have posted, but I really don't want to hear about it. I'm so tired of hearing how Sinead O'Connor and other outspoken artists are horrible people. Don't we all have better things to worry about? -Dana From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Oct 7 08:11:35 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA24793; Wed, 7 Oct 92 08:11:11 -0700 Received: from seismo.CSS.GOV by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA24789; Wed, 7 Oct 92 08:11:09 -0700 Received: from beno.CSS.GOV by seismo.CSS.GOV (5.65/1.14) id AA27323; Wed, 7 Oct 92 11:11:06 -0400 Received: by beno.CSS.GOV (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11823; Wed, 7 Oct 92 11:11:04 EDT Message-Id: <9210071511.AA11823@beno.CSS.GOV> To: bross@nas.nasa.gov (Wilson S. Ross) Cc: jitr Subject: Re: phone # In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 07 Oct 92 07:47:01 PDT." <9210071447.AA22968@splatter.nas.nasa.gov> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 11:11:04 -0400 From: "David S. Comay" Status: OR according to the person i spoke with originally at that number, it is the number for both the nbc affiliate in new york as well as the network itself. be sure to mention that you wish to leave a message with the network - they should connect you to a machine where you can leave a message. i also plan on sending a written letter to the producer of s.n.l., lorne michaels, as well as the vice president, curt block (the one who has being quoted in all the news stories about saturday's show) as a follow up. hmm, perhaps we should call them instead and leave a message with their people directly. dsc From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Oct 7 08:48:45 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA25328; Wed, 7 Oct 92 08:48:04 -0700 Received: from world.std.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA25323; Wed, 7 Oct 92 08:48:00 -0700 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA12761; Wed, 7 Oct 1992 11:47:57 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 11:47:57 -0400 From: eliz@world.std.com (Elizabeth Lear Newman) Message-Id: <199210071547.AA12761@world.std.com> To: jitr Subject: Re: Sinead: What she said. Status: OR I think the reason she's been banned from SNL has less to do with the fact that she did something controversial and more to do with the fact that she did something they didn't know she was going to do: in the dress rehearsal she tore up a picture of a child. When she carried a picture on stage Saturday night no one thought about it because they thought she would do exactly the same thing she had done that afternoon. Live shows do not take kindly to people throwing in surprises. ...eliz From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Oct 7 09:13:41 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA25934; Wed, 7 Oct 92 09:12:54 -0700 Received: from ATHENA-AS-WELL.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA25929; Wed, 7 Oct 92 09:12:50 -0700 Received: from CARMEL.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA02428; Wed, 7 Oct 92 12:12:46 EDT From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Received: by carmel (5.57/4.7) id AA04533; Wed, 7 Oct 92 12:12:44 -0400 Message-Id: <9210071612.AA04533@carmel> To: jitr Subject: Re: Sinead: What she said. In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 07 Oct 92 11:47:57 -0400. <199210071547.AA12761@world.std.com> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 12:12:41 EDT Status: OR >that she did something they didn't know she was going to do: in the >dress rehearsal she tore up a picture of a child. Hmmm. How would that fit in with the 'Fight the real enemy' bit? Are the SNL people *so* naive? I wonder what the reaction would be had she torn the picture of a child. I am sure that NBC would have load s of protest calls anyway, and maybe the child's parents would sue. :) Angelos 'I will live by my own policies, I will sleep with a clear conscience' From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Oct 7 09:41:48 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA26474; Wed, 7 Oct 92 09:41:06 -0700 Received: from POSTOFFICE.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA26470; Wed, 7 Oct 92 09:41:02 -0700 Received: from [132.236.236.56] (CU-DIALUP-0214.CIT.CORNELL.EDU) by postoffice.mail.cornell.edu with SMTP id AA26044 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for jitr@presto.ig.com); Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:40:12 -0400 Message-Id: <199210071640.AA26044@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:40:26 -0400 To: jitr, gt5026a@prism.gatech.edu (gt5026a THOMAS,DANA KIMBERLY) From: Michael-S-Shappe@cornell.edu (Michael Scott Shappe) Sender: mshappe@harper-hall.cit.cornell.edu Subject: Re: Sinead: What she said. Status: OR The problem, in my view, is not the opinion she expressed, but rather, the forum in which she chose to express it. Sinead was invited on a program to entertain - sing a few songs, talk a little. She was not invited on the program to make a strong political statement. She abused her invitation, and it would not surprise me if that, alone wouldn't be enough for SNL to refuse to ever invite her again (if a guest in my home abused my invitation, they would not be invited back). Of course, that's probably giving the Network too much credit. Like as not, the reason she will not be invited back was because they're afraid of all the people she pissed off. Such is life. MSS At 11.10 92.10.07 -0400, gt5026a THOMAS,DANA KIMBERLY wrote: >I, too, noticed that disturbing silence at the end of her song, >and I, myself, wondered whether I should laugh or not. Of course, >it got to me, and I just had to smile and say, "Well, isn't that >just like Sinead?" I wasn't offended by it; it just seems like >the type of performance you see of her: she made a statement >about her own beliefs, and now the media and the church, etc. are >going to go crazy over one woman's interpretation. It is disheartening >to find out that she's been banned from performing on SNL again. >Geez, what'll be next? Banned in America completely? Let's hope >not. I haven't heard much in terms of response besides what the >people here on the group have posted, but I really don't want to >hear about it. I'm so tired of hearing how Sinead O'Connor and >other outspoken artists are horrible people. Don't we all have >better things to worry about? > >-Dana -- "I don't know how to stop, I don't know how to stop." -- Peter Gabriel From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Oct 7 09:56:21 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA26801; Wed, 7 Oct 92 09:53:50 -0700 Received: from whistler.sfu.ca by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA26790; Wed, 7 Oct 92 09:53:42 -0700 Received: from okeefe.cstudies.sfu.ca by whistler.sfu.ca (5.65/SFU-2.0) id AA28669; Wed, 7 Oct 92 09:53:36 -0700 Message-Id: <9210071653.AA28669@whistler.sfu.ca> Sender: okeefe@sfu.ca Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:54:24 +0000 To: jitr From: okeefe@sfu.ca Subject: Re: Sinead: What she said. Status: OR >I think the reason she's been banned from SNL has less to do with the >fact that she did something controversial and more to do with the fact >that she did something they didn't know she was going to do: in the >dress rehearsal she tore up a picture of a child. When she carried a >picture on stage Saturday night no one thought about it because they >thought she would do exactly the same thing she had done that >afternoon. Live shows do not take kindly to people throwing in >surprises. Though when Nirvana played SNL they smashed their instruments and threw the drum kit around, and I gather that this was unexpected as well. I didn't notice them getting into trouble over this.... I still think that Sinead getting banned demonstrates that it's more offensive to the powers that be to trash a *picture* of a powerful man (on late night TV, at that) than to show graphic images of rape and violence against women earlier in the evening in the name of entertainment. Just my 0.02 Juliet "then everywhere is war" From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Oct 7 11:33:33 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA28791; Wed, 7 Oct 92 11:32:32 -0700 Received: from SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA28787; Wed, 7 Oct 92 11:32:29 -0700 Message-Id: <9210071832.AA28787@presto.ig.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 14:28:46 EDT From: Sammy.Tao@speech1.cs.cmu.edu To: jitr Subject: Re: Sinead: What she said. Status: OR The problem is that NBC will get some of the blame and anger because she did this on their show. I wonder if NBC just didn't flash the applause sign, and people were confused (as well as shocked). -Sammy shtao@mmm.com From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Oct 7 15:28:14 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA04021; Wed, 7 Oct 92 15:26:14 -0700 Received: from net.bio.net by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA04016; Wed, 7 Oct 92 15:26:11 -0700 Received: by net.bio.net (5.65/IG-2.0) with SMTP id AA06036; Wed, 7 Oct 92 15:26:08 -0700 Message-Id: <9210072226.AA06036@net.bio.net> To: jitr Subject: am I not your girl? Reply-To: shibumi@net.bio.net X-Disclaimer: Unless otherwise noted below, this is not a policy statement Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 15:26:07 -0700 From: "Kenton A. Hoover" Status: OR Alot of the problems with the album seemed to lie in the arranging of the songs. The best arranging on the album was on "why don't you do right?", where her voice was not overrun by the brass section. I thought "Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered" was awful, and "How Insensitive" (which is a favorite of mine) was damaged by just plain poor choice of style of singing. So, Torrie Zito gets points for just about everything, even given the overrunning of Sinead's voice in "Black Coffee". I'd order top to bottom as: Why don't you do right? Gloomy Sunday Success has made a failure of our home How Insenstive (but I just like this lyric alot) Scarlet Ribbons Secret Love Black Coffee Don't cry for me, Argentina and the rest, with the exception of the instrumental of 'Don't cry...', which was quite funny but doesn't count. If I wanted torch songs, I would do better to spend the same money on a Julie London album though. I think 'am I not your girl?' is just for fans. "Red, Hot and Blue" had the same problem, in that, with one very notable exception, it showed that rock vocalists just don't have the voices to hold up material like Cole Porter or Rodgers & Hart (the exception was k.d. lang). | Kenton A. Hoover | shibumi@net.bio.net | | BIOSCI Network Administrator | | | BIOSCI/IntelliGenetics, Inc. | +1 415 962 7300 | |=========== net.bio.net -- The New Home of the bionet Newsgroups ============| | Delores breezed along the surface of her life like a flat stone forever | | skipping along smooth water, rippling reality sporadically but oblivious to | | it consistently, until she finally lost momentum, sank, and due to an over- | | dose of flouride as a child which caused her to suffer from chronic apathy, | | doomed herself to lie forever on the floor of her life as useless as an | | appendix and as lonely as a five-hundred pound barbell in a steroid-free | | fitness center. | | -- Winning sentence, 1990 Bulwer-Lytton bad fiction contest. | From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Oct 7 16:08:55 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA07790; Wed, 7 Oct 92 16:07:30 -0700 Received: from ATHENA-AS-WELL.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA07782; Wed, 7 Oct 92 16:07:23 -0700 Received: from CARMEL.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA01155; Wed, 7 Oct 92 19:07:21 EDT From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Received: by carmel (5.57/4.7) id AA05275; Wed, 7 Oct 92 19:07:19 -0400 Message-Id: <9210072307.AA05275@carmel> To: jitr Subject: Re: am I not your girl? In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 07 Oct 92 15:26:07 -0700. <9210072226.AA06036@net.bio.net> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 19:07:18 EDT Status: OR Kenton writes about AINYG, but I won't comment for that because I haven't heard the original versions of *any* of the songs that Sinead covers, and therefore cannot judge as to how (if) she has remade them, but I *really* like them, but then I like everything she has ever recorded. I actually like the arrangements too...;) BUT, when I read: > "Red, Hot and Blue" had the same problem, >in that, with one very notable exception, it showed that rock >vocalists just don't have the voices to hold up material like Cole >Porter or Rodgers & Hart (the exception was k.d. lang). I must say that I disagree. This album is really imaginative. Some of the versions on that album I like better than the originals. Neneh Cherry's 'I got you under my skin', and Kirsty McColl's 'Miss Otis regrets' are prime examples. I bought the Night and Day Cole Porter compilations, and was kind of disappointed by the versions I heard. Admittedly other songs sound better in the original version, Mel Torme's 'too darn hot' is a class above the erasure version, IMHO. But still, I can't dismiss David Byrne's 'Don't fence me in', Les negresses vertes 'I love Paris' for example. It's only a matter of differing taste. Angelos +=====================================+ |'My ears have parasites'-hApPy RhOdEs| +=====================================+ From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Oct 7 22:52:50 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA19727; Wed, 7 Oct 92 22:52:19 -0700 Received: from ucsd.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA19723; Wed, 7 Oct 92 22:52:15 -0700 Received: from bend.ucsd.edu by ucsd.edu; id AA16849 sendmail 5.67/UCSD-2.2-sun via SMTP Wed, 7 Oct 92 22:51:53 -0700 for jitr@presto.ig.com Received: by bend.UCSD.EDU (4.1/UCSDGENERIC.2) id AA12674 to st870325@pip.cc.brandeis.edu; Wed, 7 Oct 92 22:52:16 PDT Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 22:52:16 PDT From: erwin@bend.ucsd.edu (Sean Erwin) Message-Id: <9210080552.AA12674@bend.UCSD.EDU> To: jitr Subject: Dave Letterman, Network Censorship, and Sinead O'Connor.... Cc: senturia@bend.ucsd.edu, sheffer@bend.ucsd.edu, st870325@pip.cc.brandeis.edu Status: OR A few nights ago, Dave Letterman did a top ten list concerning Sinead's appearance on SNL, entitled "Top Ten Beefs Sinead O' Connor has with The Pope" (or some such). However, before the show was broadcast, one of the entries was censored. Here is the full story.... --------- Article: 1228 of alt.fan.letterman From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) Subject: << #8 REVEALED!!! >> YES!!!!! Due to the miracle of videotape and single frame scanning, plus (apparently) a friend in the NBC editing department. We now have the formerly **CENSORED** Top Ten item #8 !!! Going back and searching every frame REALLY paid off this time! :-) As everyone knows by now, the Sinead O'Conner top ten list was censored which explained the strange advisory slate NBC had up prior to the starting the feed of yesterday's show: " DUE TO LATE EDITING, NO TIMES AVAILABLE " Normally there would have been a timing list of all commercial breaks. Obviosuly some weasel NBC programming pinhead got himself all worked up (over NOTHING!). WEASEL! WEASEL!! WEASEL!!! Fortunately for the rest of us, there is *exactly* ONE frame left intact with the original #8, prior to clearing the screen for the next page! Perhaps somebody in editing was being nice to us? OK... Are you all ready for the great revelation? :-> Here is the list, with the CENSORED #8... TOP TEN COMPLAINTS SINEAD O'CONNOR HAS ABOUT THE POPE ------------------------------------------------------- 10. They screwed up her vinyl roof at the Vatican Car Wash 9. He's never around when she needs help picking lotto numbers * 8. He snubbed her at the Grammy Awards * (WEASLES!!!) 7. He's always telling people he got that big ring from winning the superbowl in 1986 6. He doesn't let anyone else drive the Pope-mobile 5. He improperly uses piety to get hefty discounts at the gap 4. At the movies he won't remove his eight foot hat 3. The way he's always entering and then quitting the presidential race 2. The time he said, "I don't date, but if I did I wouldn't date no bald chick!" And the number one complaint Sinead O'Connor has about the Pope: 1. He never picks up a check And NOW... The line those *MORONS* at NBC couldn't handle: . . . . ---------------------------------- 8. HIS HOLIER-THAN-THOU ATTITUDE ---------------------------------- THAT is funny! What the HELL could motivate those fools into censoring it? -{ Dean Adams }- ---------------------- IMHO, this is all pretty sick. A woman attacks a prominent power structure and the whole world throws a shit-fit. As a good friend of mine often asks at such times: "What century are we living in???" ---Sean Erwin From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Oct 8 03:15:06 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA18428; Thu, 8 Oct 92 03:13:09 -0700 Received: from zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA18408; Thu, 8 Oct 92 03:12:58 -0700 Message-Id: <9210081012.AA18408@presto.ig.com> Received: from bt-web.bt.co.uk by zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk via DECnet inbound channel id <29791-0@zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk>; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:12:34 +0100 X-Vms-To: R11F::PRESTO.IG.COM::JITR To: jitr From: katz_p_m@bt-web.bt.co.uk Subject: Sinead and Rastafarianism Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:12:34 +0100 Status: OR From: NAME: Philip Katz [DIP11 ] FUNC: DIP11 TEL: 0394-693446 To: jitr@presto.ig.com@UNET I didn't see Sinead on SNL (you'd need a *very* big aerial from here :-) ), but the comment that she was wearing a flag in the Rastafarian colours (Green, Red and Gold) would square with the speech she used when tearing up the Pope's picture (the one that starts "Until the philosophy ..."). This speech appears as a song on Bob Marley & The Wailer's 1970 album _Rastaman Vibration_ with the sleeve note "Speech by H.I.M. Haile Selassie I, King Of Kings, Lord Of Lords, The Conquering Lion Of The Tribe Of Judah. California, 28th February, 1968". Does anyone know if Sinead is flitering with Rastafarianism these days, or was it just a one-off? Philip From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Oct 8 11:47:23 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA13733; Thu, 8 Oct 92 11:45:16 -0700 Received: from whistler.sfu.ca by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA13717; Thu, 8 Oct 92 11:45:06 -0700 Received: from okeefe.cstudies.sfu.ca by whistler.sfu.ca (5.65/SFU-2.0) id AA18792; Thu, 8 Oct 92 11:44:59 -0700 Message-Id: <9210081844.AA18792@whistler.sfu.ca> Sender: okeefe@sfu.ca Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:45:47 +0000 To: jitr From: okeefe@sfu.ca Subject: Sinead comment in local paper Status: OR This turned up in one of our local papers yesterday. There are two, which seems pathetic for a metropolitan population of a million, but what the heck. This article appeared in the more "lowbrow" of the two: the tabloid, as is typed up here without permission. It's good to know that the regular media aren't all jumping on the "Evil Sinead" bandwagon. DAILY PLANET: Sunday Morning Live Our nominee for Hypocrite of the Year Award: LorneMichaels. The producer of Saturday Night Live says he was "offended" by Sinead O'Connor's controversial gesture at the end of last week's show in which she tore up a photo of the Pope (the brazen hussy!) Michaels was so offended that the singer won't be invited back in the near future. Boy that'll teach her, eh? But hasn't attacking leaders of the estalishment been the bread and butter of Saturday Night Live these past 25 (sic) years? Oh well, we're sure Sinead's having a good laugh about the uproar in the media that has condemned her as everything from a "holy terror" to a poor, misled girl in need of our prayers. Maybe what she really needs is some advice from that other blasphemer, Salman Rushdie, who was regarded as a hero and a defender of free speech when *he* ran afoul of a religious leader. It brightened up my morning.... Juliet From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Oct 8 11:47:23 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA13733; Thu, 8 Oct 92 11:45:16 -0700 Received: from whistler.sfu.ca by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA13717; Thu, 8 Oct 92 11:45:06 -0700 Received: from okeefe.cstudies.sfu.ca by whistler.sfu.ca (5.65/SFU-2.0) id AA18792; Thu, 8 Oct 92 11:44:59 -0700 Message-Id: <9210081844.AA18792@whistler.sfu.ca> Sender: okeefe@sfu.ca Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:45:47 +0000 To: jitr From: okeefe@sfu.ca Subject: Sinead comment in local paper Status: OR This turned up in one of our local papers yesterday. There are two, which seems pathetic for a metropolitan population of a million, but what the heck. This article appeared in the more "lowbrow" of the two: the tabloid, as is typed up here without permission. It's good to know that the regular media aren't all jumping on the "Evil Sinead" bandwagon. DAILY PLANET: Sunday Morning Live Our nominee for Hypocrite of the Year Award: LorneMichaels. The producer of Saturday Night Live says he was "offended" by Sinead O'Connor's controversial gesture at the end of last week's show in which she tore up a photo of the Pope (the brazen hussy!) Michaels was so offended that the singer won't be invited back in the near future. Boy that'll teach her, eh? But hasn't attacking leaders of the estalishment been the bread and butter of Saturday Night Live these past 25 (sic) years? Oh well, we're sure Sinead's having a good laugh about the uproar in the media that has condemned her as everything from a "holy terror" to a poor, misled girl in need of our prayers. Maybe what she really needs is some advice from that other blasphemer, Salman Rushdie, who was regarded as a hero and a defender of free speech when *he* ran afoul of a religious leader. It brightened up my morning.... Juliet From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Oct 8 14:38:24 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA01580; Thu, 8 Oct 92 14:34:06 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA01411; Thu, 8 Oct 92 14:32:51 -0700 Message-Id: <9210082132.AA01411@presto.ig.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 14:32:46 -0800 From: mcb@presto.ig.com (Michael C. Berch) Subject: Administriva - archive directory renamed To: jitr Status: OR The FTP archive for this list has had its directory moved (renamed) on the same host. Appended is an updated copy of the list "welcome" message with the new information. Briefly, there are two changes: 1) The archive host is now named "net.bio.net" [announced last week] It is at the same IP address, 134.172.3.69. 2) The archive directory is now named "misc/jitr", relative to the root of the anonymous FTP login directory, instead of just "jitr". 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Password: guest [This doesn't print -- use any string like "guest"] 230 Guest login ok, access restrictions apply. ftp> ls -l 200 PORT command successful. 150 ASCII data connection for /bin/ls (134.172.3.5,1104) (0 bytes). total 8 drwxrwxrwx 3 5 512 Jul 24 01:07 .NextTrash -rw-r--r-- 1 root 0 Apr 9 1988 .hushlogin -r-------- 1 root 0 Jun 4 1991 .rhosts -rw-r--r-- 1 root 155 Oct 7 21:16 README drwxrwsr-x 2 root 512 Jul 20 1990 bin drwxrwsr-x 2 root 512 Jul 31 1991 dev drwxrwsr-x 2 root 512 Jan 8 1991 etc drwxrwsr-x 7 root 512 Oct 7 21:13 misc drwxrwsr-x 2 root 512 Oct 6 17:05 pub drwxrwsr-x 3 root 512 Jul 20 1990 usr 226 ASCII Transfer complete. remote: -l 531 bytes received in 2.2 seconds (0.23 Kbytes/s) ftp> ftp> cd misc/jitr 250 CWD command successful. ftp> ls -l 200 PORT command successful. 150 ASCII data connection for /bin/ls (134.172.3.5,1105) (0 bytes). total 2188 -rw-r--r-- 1 242 3627 Jun 4 17:57 README -rw-r--r-- 1 242 271629 Oct 7 22:31 archive -rw-r--r-- 1 242 49035 Apr 18 1991 archive90.1 -rw-r--r-- 1 242 281072 Apr 18 1991 archive90.2 -rw-r--r-- 1 242 168501 Apr 18 1991 archive90.3 -rw-r--r-- 1 242 116656 Apr 18 1991 archive90.4 -rw-r--r-- 1 242 196459 Apr 18 1991 archive91.1 -rw-r--r-- 1 242 55136 Jul 31 1991 archive91.2 -rw-r--r-- 1 242 40251 Nov 4 1991 archive91.3 -rw-r--r-- 1 242 50721 Mar 13 1992 archive91.4 -rw-r--r-- 1 242 45574 May 8 20:29 archive92.1 -rw-r--r-- 1 242 99452 Aug 4 21:56 archive92.2 -rw-r--r-- 1 242 9898 Aug 10 22:37 discog.asc -rw-r--r-- 1 242 27565 Jul 13 18:34 discog.ps -rw-r--r-- 1 242 1327 Dec 13 1991 hand-that-rocks.lyrics -rw-r--r-- 1 242 10122 Feb 28 1991 idnwwihg.lyrics -rw-r--r-- 1 242 2345 Sep 9 20:27 irish-ways.lyrics -rw-r--r-- 1 242 7467 Feb 28 1991 lion-cobra.lyrics drwx--S--- 2 242 512 Aug 25 20:53 old -rw-r--r-- 1 root 264725 Sep 22 23:30 sinead1.gif -rw-r--r-- 1 root 36443 Sep 22 23:32 sinead1.jpg -rw-r--r-- 1 root 245229 Sep 22 23:30 sinead2.gif -rw-r--r-- 1 root 43858 Sep 22 23:32 sinead2.jpg -rw-r--r-- 1 242 5698 Jul 20 07:43 uk-lion-cobra.gif -rw-r--r-- 1 root 16601 Sep 22 23:34 uk-lion-cobra.jpg -rw-r--r-- 1 242 69689 Jul 23 23:38 us-lion-cobra.gif -rw-r--r-- 1 root 10559 Sep 22 23:34 us-lion-cobra.jpg 226 ASCII Transfer complete. remote: -l 1609 bytes received in 0.32 seconds (4.9 Kbytes/s) ftp> get archive90.1 200 PORT command successful. 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for archive90.1 (49035 bytes). 226 Transfer complete. local: archive90.1 remote: archive90.1 50378 bytes received in 1.2 seconds (40 Kbytes/s) ftp> quit 221 Goodbye. % Enjoy, -- Michael C. Berch Jump-In-The-River Moderator jitr-request@presto.ig.com From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Oct 8 15:46:10 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA04948; Thu, 8 Oct 92 15:44:12 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA04603; Thu, 8 Oct 92 15:38:15 -0700 Message-Id: <9210082238.AA04603@presto.ig.com> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 15:38:09 -0800 From: mcb@presto.ig.com (Michael C. Berch) Subject: Re: Sinead comment in local paper To: jitr X-Orig-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:45:47 +0000 X-Orig-From: okeefe@sfu.ca X-Orig-Message-Id: <9210081844.AA18792@whistler.sfu.ca> Status: OR Juliet writes: > This turned up in one of our local papers yesterday. > There are two, which seems pathetic for a metropolitan > population of a million, but what the heck. This > article appeared in the more "lowbrow" of the > two: the tabloid, as is typed up here without > permission. > It's good to know that the regular media aren't > all jumping on the "Evil Sinead" bandwagon. And here in San Francisco, _Chronicle_ columnist Herb Caen wrote: "Sodden thought No. 2: Given the Catholic Church's stand on abortion and contraception, what's so damn 'tasteless and tactless' about Sinead O'Connor tearing up a photo of the pope on 'Saturday Night Live?'..." Herb Caen is a beloved and curmudgeonly daily columnist with wide local influence, having celebrated his *50th* anniversary as a daily columnist a couple years ago. He is getting old, but his politics and common sense are usually pretty refreshing. The S.F. Chronicle is the local morning daily, a weirdly-eclectic Republican paper in a liberal Democratic city with an interesting mix of local and syndicated columnists, and tabloidish stories (yesterday's *front* page had a feature on Napoleon's apparently missing penis) right next to erudite sociopolitical analyses. -- Michael C. Berch mcb@presto.ig.com From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Oct 8 21:42:10 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA16438; Thu, 8 Oct 92 21:40:58 -0700 Received: from ATHENA-AS-WELL.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA16430; Thu, 8 Oct 92 21:40:54 -0700 Received: from E40-008-13.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA25355; Fri, 9 Oct 92 00:40:51 EDT From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Received: by e40-008-13.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA19718; Fri, 9 Oct 92 00:40:43 -0400 Message-Id: <9210090440.AA19718@e40-008-13.MIT.EDU> To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Cc: jitr Subject: Re: Sinead & stuff In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 08 Oct 92 23:42:37 -0400. Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 00:40:37 EDT Status: OR Hi, For jitr readers: Vickie Mapes posted on ecto an article from the Chicago Tribune regarding some 'organization' that will donate to charity for each Sinead album mailed to them. NOW I AM PISSED OFF!!! So, freedom of speach involves the equivalent of book burning? Buck a song? Heck, a quarter for each picture of hers, and a hundred bucks per videotape of her concerts, plus a bonus $1000 for each of her interviews... What is wrong with people? Vickie, I have 4 Sinead interviews which are in the hands of Aidan and Liz (HI!) and I will xerox them and mail them to you after I come back to Boston. One of them (the one in the Amnesty special issue of spin) talks about child abuse quite a lot. Anyway, we were having this discussion about the incident, and apparently she wore the star of David in relation to the rastafarian aspect of her performance. Anybody more knowledgeable about the beliefs of rastas please elaborate. Sinead is anti-hate, and is expressing her hatred towards organized religion, and not the people who are religious. She attacked the Roman Catholic church but not Roman catholics (she is one herself). And I doubt there was any intention to stir up anti-semitic sentiments. Maybe they should try to catch her and burn her and get it over with...:( Angelos 'OU EST LE ROI PERDU?' From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Oct 8 21:48:36 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA17417; Thu, 8 Oct 92 21:47:17 -0700 Received: from ATHENA-AS-WELL.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA17395; Thu, 8 Oct 92 21:47:08 -0700 Received: from E40-008-13.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA25536; Fri, 9 Oct 92 00:47:00 EDT From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Received: by e40-008-13.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA19833; Fri, 9 Oct 92 00:46:57 -0400 Message-Id: <9210090446.AA19833@e40-008-13.MIT.EDU> To: jitr Subject: Feed the fire Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 00:46:55 EDT Status: OR ------- Forwarded Message Received: from ATHENA-AS-WELL.MIT.EDU by po7.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA03567; Thu, 8 Oct 92 23:44:43 EDT Received: from ns1.rutgers.edu by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA23596; Thu, 8 Oct 92 23:44:42 EDT Received: from pilot.njin.net by ns1.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA06737; Thu, 8 Oct 92 23:42:40 EDT Received: by pilot.njin.net (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA04202; Thu, 8 Oct 92 23:42:38 EDT Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 23:42:37 EDT From: Ode To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: Sinead & stuff Message-Id: This was in today's Chicago Tribune (which also had an article about Tori Amos) REGISTER YOUR PROTEST, EARN $10.00 The National Ethnic Coalition of Orginizations has put a $10 bounty on Sinead O'Connor albums. The coalition, upset that the Irish singer ripped up a picture of Pope john Paul II during an appearance on "Saturday Night Live," will donate $10 to charity on behalf of anyone who sends in one of her records, cassettes or compact discs. The group represents 66 ethnic orginizations across the country. Its chairman, Bill Fugazy (!) said the money will be sent to the registered charity of the record donor's choice. The records can be sent to: NECO, 555 Madison Ave., 12th Floor, New York, NY 10022 ----------------------------------------------------------------- If the above doesn't appear in the Sinead list, perhaps an Ectophile who is also on JITR will pass it along. Does anyone have a stash of Sinead interviews with an index? I'd be very interested in reading what she said about being abused as a child. (Someone, perhaps it was in rec.music.misc, said that Sinead has said in interviews that she was abused as a child and blamed the Catholic church for it. If it was here I read that, sorry about being brain-damaged and forgetting.) I sent Sinead's name to the keeper of the ASAR-FAQ (along with Toni Childs) and he wanted more details, if they were available. (This was for the section "Famous people who have been abused") Thanks in advance, if anyone can help. I'd write directly to JITR, but I don't subscribe and I wouldn't see an answer unless they e-mailed it too. Vickie vickie@pilot.njin.net _________ |_ _ | _ Fuzzy Blue Wonderland "We're waking up |__|_ ||_| "There is a road straight yes it's good" to my heart" ------- End of Forwarded Message From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Oct 9 02:53:40 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA01738; Fri, 9 Oct 92 02:52:33 -0700 Received: from zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA01732; Fri, 9 Oct 92 02:52:27 -0700 Message-Id: <9210090952.AA01732@presto.ig.com> Received: from bt-web.bt.co.uk by zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk via DECnet inbound channel id <29502-0@zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk>; Fri, 9 Oct 1992 10:51:08 +0100 X-Vms-To: R11F::PRESTO.IG.COM::JITR To: jitr From: katz_p_m@bt-web.bt.co.uk Subject: Sinead and Rastas Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 10:51:08 +0100 Status: OR From: NAME: Philip Katz [DIP11 ] FUNC: DIP11 TEL: 0394-693446 To: jitr@presto.ig.com@UNET Angelos sez: > Anyway, we were having this discussion about the incident, and > apparently she wore the star of David in relation to the rastafarian > aspect of her performance. Shurely some mistake? The Star of David (six pointed star made of two inverted triangles, and *no*, I'm not going to try an ASCII representation) is a Jewish symbol, whereas someone on the list said that the flag which Sinead wore on SNL (and the speech she repeated) were Rastafarian. I'm not sure that there is any particular link between these two "religions", though at the back of my mind there is something about the Ethiopian Rastafarians claiming to be the lost tribe of Israel - can anyone comment? Also, I can't quite see Sinead as a Rastafarian - she hasn't really got the hairstyle for it, has she? :-) Philip P.S. If this evil organisation someone mentioned is willing to donate $10 to charity for every Sinead record sent to them, I wonder if anyone has any unwanted boxfulls of her earlier 7" singles which could be sent in an attempt to bankrupt them (emm, here's 500 copies of "Troy"; please send $5000 to some Pro-Choice charity!) ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :: Philip Katz :: 'phone : +44 394 693446 :: :: BT D&P Computing Security Unit :: fax : +44 394 693464 :: :: Anzani House, Trinity Avenue, :: e-mail : Katz_P_M@bt-web.bt.co.uk :: :: Felixstowe, England, IP11 8XB :: :: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Oct 9 04:18:56 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA02668; Fri, 9 Oct 92 04:18:18 -0700 Received: from daedalus.epcc.ed.ac.uk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA02661; Fri, 9 Oct 92 04:18:05 -0700 From: welsh@epcc.ed.ac.uk Message-Id: <917.9210090827@subnode.epcc.ed.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Sinead & stuff To: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 9:27:18 BST Cc: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu, jitr In-Reply-To: <9210090440.AA19718@e40-008-13.MIT.EDU>; from "kyrlidis@edu.mit.athena" at Oct 9, 92 12:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > For jitr readers: Vickie Mapes posted on ecto an article from the > Chicago Tribune regarding some 'organization' that will donate to charity for > each Sinead album mailed to them. Why the quotes? Aren't they entitled to take their own stand, just as so many people on this list have been doing? > NOW I AM PISSED OFF!!! So, freedom of speach involves the equivalent of > book burning? Buck a song? Heck, a quarter for each picture of hers, and > a hundred bucks per videotape of her concerts, plus a bonus $1000 for each > of her interviews... What is wrong with people? So what's the difference between book-burning and picture-ripping-up. What does the bible say about an eye for an eye? (Yes I know that's old testament.) What the National Ethnic Coalition of Organizations is doing is no more outrageous, and will (I expect) offend far fewer people, than what Sinead did. But hey, doesn't Sinead produce GREAT music?! -- _____________________________________________________________________ / Evan Welsh \ \ Edinburgh Parallel Computing Centre (+44 31 650 5960) / From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Oct 9 07:32:00 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA05643; Fri, 9 Oct 92 07:31:24 -0700 Received: from ATHENA-AS-WELL.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA05638; Fri, 9 Oct 92 07:31:19 -0700 Received: from CARMEL.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA10413; Fri, 9 Oct 92 10:31:14 EDT From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Received: by carmel (5.57/4.7) id AA01380; Fri, 9 Oct 92 10:31:07 -0400 Message-Id: <9210091431.AA01380@carmel> To: jitr Cc: vickie@pilot.njin.net Subject: Sinead on the cover of RS Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 10:31:04 EDT Status: OR Hi, What a pleasant surprise! The new issue of RS has an interview with her where she discusses child abuse, God, and other things (I have not read it yet). The cover pic is beautiful, and there is another picure of her that I will not discuss (surprise...), which is simply awesome. Angelos From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Oct 9 08:39:07 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA09027; Fri, 9 Oct 92 08:38:38 -0700 Received: from nettlerash.Berkeley.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA09022; Fri, 9 Oct 92 08:38:30 -0700 Received: from remarque.Berkeley.EDU by nettlerash.berkeley.edu (5.67.1/1.34.6) id AA26022; Fri, 9 Oct 92 08:37:41 -0700 Received: by remarque.berkeley.edu.berkeley.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16259; Fri, 9 Oct 92 08:38:05 PDT Message-Id: <9210091538.AA16259@remarque.berkeley.edu.berkeley.edu> To: jitr Reply-To: jitr@presto.ig.com Subject: Re: Feed the fire In-Reply-To: krylidis@athena's message of "Fri, 09 Oct 92 00:46:55 EDT." <9210090446.AA19833@e40-008-13.MIT.EDU> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 08:37:54 -0700 From: Jym Dyer Status: OR > The National Ethnic Coalition of [Organizations] . . . will > donate $10 to charity on behalf of anyone who sends in one > of her records, cassettes or compact discs. . . . the money > will be sent to the registered charity of the record donor's > choice. =+= Hmmm. So, now that I've made the move to CDs, I can send the vinyl albums to these bozos and have them donate $10 to, say, the No More Censorship Defense Fund, or the ACLU? =+= Now if we could only convince them that Sinead O'Connor is in Guns 'n' Roses, or is one of the Judd Sisters. :-) <_Jym_> __ We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a *part* of NATO. We have a firm commitment to Europe. We are a *part* of Europe. -- Vice President Dan Quayle From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Oct 9 09:00:57 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA09663; Fri, 9 Oct 92 08:54:13 -0700 Received: from nettlerash.Berkeley.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA09656; Fri, 9 Oct 92 08:54:05 -0700 Received: from remarque.Berkeley.EDU by nettlerash.berkeley.edu (5.67.1/1.34.6) id AA26335; Fri, 9 Oct 92 08:53:16 -0700 Received: by remarque.berkeley.edu.berkeley.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16317; Fri, 9 Oct 92 08:53:39 PDT Message-Id: <9210091553.AA16317@remarque.berkeley.edu.berkeley.edu> To: jump-in-the-river (Hop in the Brook) Reply-To: jump-in-the-river@presto.ig.com Subject: Re: Sinead and Rastas In-Reply-To: Philip Katz's message of "Fri, 09 Oct 92 10:51:08 BST." <9210090952.AA01732@presto.ig.com> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 08:53:32 -0700 From: Jym Dyer Status: OR > . . . at the back of my mind there is something about the > Ethiopian Rastafarians claiming to be the lost tribe of > Israel - can anyone comment? =+= Everyone and their chicken claims to be the lost tribe(s) of Israel. And that Jesus was really *their* race. I think I'll stick with Homer Simpsonism. <_Jym_> __ Speaking as a man, it's not a woman's issue. Us men are tired of losing our women -- Vice President Dan Quayle talking about breast cancer From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sun Oct 11 20:15:49 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA29426; Sun, 11 Oct 92 20:14:10 -0700 Received: from garnet.Berkeley.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA29422; Sun, 11 Oct 92 20:14:07 -0700 Received: by garnet.berkeley.edu (5.64/1.33) id AA03776; Sun, 11 Oct 92 20:14:04 -0700 Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 20:14:04 -0700 From: jhuy@garnet.berkeley.edu (Jack B. Huynh) Message-Id: <9210120314.AA03776@garnet.berkeley.edu> To: jitr Subject: Re: Feed the fire Status: OR Anyone see the new Rolling stones issue? Great picture of the goddess and a even better one in the story. Didn't get a chance to read the article however. jack From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sun Oct 11 20:27:33 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA29653; Sun, 11 Oct 92 20:27:17 -0700 Received: from garnet.Berkeley.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA29646; Sun, 11 Oct 92 20:27:14 -0700 Received: by garnet.berkeley.edu (5.64/1.33) id AA04192; Sun, 11 Oct 92 20:27:13 -0700 Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 20:27:13 -0700 From: jhuy@garnet.berkeley.edu (Jack B. Huynh) Message-Id: <9210120327.AA04192@garnet.berkeley.edu> To: jitr Subject: PJ harvey comparsion Status: OR Anybody care to compare Sinead with PJ harvey? I definitely think that PJ sounds a lot like Sinead. Her music reminds me of the Lion & Cobra era. jack From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sun Oct 11 22:53:55 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA02386; Sun, 11 Oct 92 22:53:18 -0700 Received: from iitmax.iit.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA02382; Sun, 11 Oct 92 22:53:13 -0700 Received: from elof.iit.edu by iitmax.iit.edu with SMTP id AA13641 (5.64+/IDA/NIU-1.3.1 for jitr@presto.ig.com); Mon, 12 Oct 92 00:53:08 -0500 Received: by elof.iit.edu (NX5.67c/NX3.0S) id AA04173; Mon, 12 Oct 92 00:53:06 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 00:53:06 -0500 From: Jason Boardman Message-Id: <9210120553.AA04173@elof.iit.edu> To: jitr Subject: Recent SNL Status: OR I was told that this last weekend's SNL contained some anti-Sinead conduct. I missed it...could someone please post (in detail) what happened? Jason From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Oct 12 08:44:17 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA11360; Mon, 12 Oct 92 08:43:37 -0700 Received: from world.std.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA11355; Mon, 12 Oct 92 08:43:35 -0700 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA27103; Mon, 12 Oct 1992 11:43:31 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 11:43:31 -0400 From: eliz@world.std.com (Elizabeth Lear Newman) Message-Id: <199210121543.AA27103@world.std.com> To: jitr Subject: Re: Recent SNL Status: OR Received: from BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU by BROWNVM.brown.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7394; Tue, 13 Oct 92 10:08:42 EDT Received: from BROWNVM (SSDC2) by BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 9752; Tue, 13 Oct 92 10:08:41 EDT Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 10:03:20 EDT From: J Green Subject: Re: Recent SNL To: jitr Status: OR >I was told that this last weekend's SNL contained some anti-Sinead >conduct. I missed it...could someone please post (in detail) what >happened? >>Joe Pesci was the host, and his opening monologue was about how he was >>Italian and how angry he was that she'd torn up a picture of the Pope, >>how she wouldn't have gotten away with it if he had been the host, and >>he held up a taped-together picture and said he'd had the picture >>she'd torn up put back together. Sure looked like the same picture, >>and the crowd cheered it. JP said he was glad it wasn't HIS show, cause he would have SLAPPED her silly! He also said "what am i getting so upset about... she's just a kid". He said that the Pope should forgive her, since after all, he already forgave the guy who tried to shoot him! Janice - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Janice Green, Research Programmer Social Science Data Center __o Janice_Green@Brown.edu Brown University _`\<,_ SSDC2@BROWNVM -+||-----||+- Providence, RI (USA) (*)/ (*) From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Oct 13 11:52:43 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA10976; Tue, 13 Oct 92 11:52:10 -0700 Received: from [141.140.1.4] by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA10972; Tue, 13 Oct 92 11:52:06 -0700 Received: from macalstr.edu by macalstr.edu (PMDF #2450 ) id <01GPWHOC77KG98ABEM@macalstr.edu>; Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:51:41 CDT Date: 13 Oct 1992 13:51:41 -0500 (CDT) From: EDERUGGIERO@macalstr.edu Subject: Sinead To: jump-in-the-river Message-Id: <01GPWHOC77KI98ABEM@macalstr.edu> X-Vms-To: IN%"jump-in-the-river@presto.ig.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: OR Hey There! I've said this before now, but I feel so different...Could you send me some of the Emperor's New Clothes...it would probably be a good idea! Mail me info, eh.Tanks! Erin@Macalester From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Oct 15 10:36:52 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA11704; Thu, 15 Oct 92 10:34:35 -0700 Received: from zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA11693; Thu, 15 Oct 92 10:34:24 -0700 Message-Id: <9210151734.AA11693@presto.ig.com> Received: from bt-web.bt.co.uk by zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk via DECnet inbound channel id <02285-0@zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk>; Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:33:50 +0100 X-Vms-To: R11F::PRESTO.IG.COM::JITR To: jitr From: katz_p_m@bt-web.bt.co.uk Subject: Sinead shoots mouth off again? Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:33:50 +0100 Status: OR From: NAME: Philip Katz [DIP11 ] FUNC: DIP11 TEL: 0394-693446 To: jitr@presto.ig.com@UNET On the news on BBC radio yesterday there was mention that Sinead was again causing controversy by saying that the woman who accused Mike Tyson of rape was a "scheming bitch", Tyson was a "teddy bear" and that the LA riots were "great"! Does anyone know where or when this all happened? Much and all as I admire Ms O'Connor (and many of her opinions), one can get to the point of being so "controversial" that nobody gives credence to anything you say ... Still, I can forgive her anything for the vocals on _Josie Walsh_ (on the Jah Wobble LP). ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :: Philip Katz :: 'phone : +44 394 693446 :: :: BT D&P Computing Security Unit :: fax : +44 394 693464 :: :: Anzani House, Trinity Avenue, :: e-mail : Katz_P_M@bt-web.bt.co.uk :: :: Felixstowe, England, IP11 8XB :: :: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Oct 15 11:03:30 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA12296; Thu, 15 Oct 92 11:02:09 -0700 Received: from netcom2.netcom.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA12291; Thu, 15 Oct 92 11:02:04 -0700 Received: by netcom2.netcom.com (5.65/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id AA29355; Thu, 15 Oct 92 11:01:19 -0700 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 11:01:19 -0700 From: slf@netcom.com (Sharon Fisher) Message-Id: <9210151801.AA29355@netcom2.netcom.com> To: jitr In-Reply-To: katz_p_m@bt-web.bt.co.uk's message of Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:33:50 +0100 <9210151734.AA11693@presto.ig.com> Subject: Sinead shoots mouth off again? Status: OR On the news on BBC radio yesterday there was mention that Sinead was again causing controversy by saying that the woman who accused Mike Tyson of rape was a "scheming bitch", Tyson was a "teddy bear" and that the LA riots were "great"! Does anyone know where or when this all happened? In the most recent Rolling Stone, with a gorgeous picture of her on the cover. She appears to have gotten her nose pierced... From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Oct 15 11:36:48 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA12996; Thu, 15 Oct 92 11:35:53 -0700 Received: from ATHENA-AS-WELL.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA12991; Thu, 15 Oct 92 11:35:48 -0700 Received: from CARMEL.MIT.EDU by ATHENA-AS-WELL.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA03361; Thu, 15 Oct 92 14:35:36 EDT From: kyrlidis@athena-as-well.mit.edu Received: by carmel (5.57/4.7) id AA25116; Thu, 15 Oct 92 14:35:33 -0400 Message-Id: <9210151835.AA25116@carmel> To: jitr Subject: Re: Sinead shoots mouth off again? In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 15 Oct 92 18:33:50 +0100. <9210151734.AA11693@presto.ig.com> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 14:35:31 EDT Status: OR Philip writes: [still more controversial sinead stuff] > Does anyone know where or when this all happened? THe Rolling Stone interview... > Much and all as I admire Ms O'Connor (and many of her opinions), >one can get to the point of being so "controversial" that nobody gives >credence to anything you say ... One should also read the whole answer instead of just a bit of it... She argued about her opinions, and basically contradicted herself. Re: Mike Tyson, she talked about how it wasn't his fault that he was brought up that way (child abuse syndrome), and Re: LA riots, she said that it was great that people reacted, even if they did so violently. Later she says that looting and destroying other people's properties was sort of justified from the point of view of the participants, but unfortunate for the owners of the stores. Her concluding statement is something like a call to arms... > Still, I can forgive her anything for the vocals on _Josie Walsh_ >(on the Jah Wobble LP). WHAT? WHERE? WHICH JAH WOBBLE LP IS THAT? Angelos From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sat Oct 17 12:43:49 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA01722; Sat, 17 Oct 92 12:36:12 -0700 Received: from ATHENA-AS-WELL.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA01717; Sat, 17 Oct 92 12:36:07 -0700 Received: from E40-008-13.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA12921; Sat, 17 Oct 92 15:35:52 EDT From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Received: by e40-008-13.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA03740; Sat, 17 Oct 92 15:35:48 -0400 Message-Id: <9210171935.AA03740@e40-008-13.MIT.EDU> To: jitr Subject: Sinead in tears at Dylan tribute? Date: Sat, 17 Oct 92 15:35:47 EDT Status: OR Hi, Just out of curiosity, is it true that Sinead performed 'War' live at the Dylan tribute concert last night in MSG in NYC, to a crowd that booed her and that she eventually burst in tears, and was escorted off stage? Some friends told me they saw it on CNN, but this could be their idea of a joke, and so I would like to know if this thing happened. I know she was scheduled to perform at the tribute concert, so that part is certain. Any info would be appreciated. Angelos PS. If this *was* a joke, then I apologize for spreading unfound rumours. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sat Oct 17 16:04:33 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA04219; Sat, 17 Oct 92 16:01:58 -0700 Received: from ATHENA-AS-WELL.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA04214; Sat, 17 Oct 92 16:01:53 -0700 Received: from E40-008-13.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA19451; Sat, 17 Oct 92 19:01:45 EDT From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Received: by e40-008-13.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA05628; Sat, 17 Oct 92 19:01:43 -0400 Message-Id: <9210172301.AA05628@e40-008-13.MIT.EDU> To: jitr Subject: It *did* happen :( Date: Sat, 17 Oct 92 19:01:41 EDT Status: OR Hi, Yep, my friends were right... It all happened. I saw it on CNN a couple of hours ago. If *anybody* on the list was watching the concert, and has full details, please post. I am still amazed at how *real* Sinead is. Angelos 'Ou est le roi perdu?' 'Everyone can see what's going on, they laugh cause they know they're untouchable not because what I said was wrong' 'You asked for the truth, and I told you' From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sun Oct 18 16:41:35 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA20847; Sun, 18 Oct 92 16:40:39 -0700 Received: from sunlight.Stanford.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA20843; Sun, 18 Oct 92 16:40:37 -0700 Received: from elaine7.Stanford.EDU by sunlight.Stanford.EDU (4.1/AIR-1.0) id AA01710; Sun, 18 Oct 92 16:40:33 PDT Date: Sun, 18 Oct 92 16:40:33 PDT From: cris@leland.stanford.edu Message-Id: <9210182340.AA01710@sunlight.Stanford.EDU> To: jitr Subject: Re: it *did* happen Status: OR Hi Did I miss something? What is "it"? Cris From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Oct 19 07:31:03 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA01603; Mon, 19 Oct 92 07:29:56 -0700 Received: from horn.kpc.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA01599; Mon, 19 Oct 92 07:29:53 -0700 Received: by horn.kpc.com (5.65/fma-120691); id AA01596; Mon, 19 Oct 92 07:31:21 -0700 Received: from pine by kpc.com (5.65/SMI-4.1-kpc825) id AA29948; Mon, 19 Oct 92 07:30:17 -0700 Received: from phi by mailbox.kpc.com (4.1/kpc-920618) id AA03443; Mon, 19 Oct 92 07:30:12 PDT From: dow@kpc.com (Christopher Dow) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 92 07:30:59 -0700 Message-Id: <9210191430.AA07180@phi.kpc.com> To: jitr Subject: Re: Sinead in tears at Dylan tribute? Cc: Status: OR I definitely saw this on the San Jose ABC affiliate's news program on Saturday night. >Hi, > >Just out of curiosity, is it true that Sinead performed 'War' live at the >Dylan tribute concert last night in MSG in NYC, to a crowd that booed her >and that she eventually burst in tears, and was escorted off stage? > >Some friends told me they saw it on CNN, but this could be their idea of >a joke, and so I would like to know if this thing happened. I know she was >scheduled to perform at the tribute concert, so that part is certain. > >Any info would be appreciated. > >Angelos >PS. If this *was* a joke, then I apologize for spreading unfound rumours. From ERICKA@socpsy.sci.fau.edu Mon Oct 19 10:36:34 1992 Received: from acc.fau.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA05603; Mon, 19 Oct 92 10:35:50 -0700 Received: from psymail.sci.fau.edu by ACC.FAU.EDU (PMDF #12250) id <01GQ4KDC4VOW8WVZC9@ACC.FAU.EDU>; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 08:32 EST Received: From INTERZONE/WORKQUEUE by psymail.sci.fau.edu via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.921019082316.384; 19 Oct 92 08:33:26 +500 Date: 19 Oct 92 08:00:18 EDT From: ERICKA@socpsy.sci.fau.edu Subject: Re: it *did* happen To: jitr-request Reply-To: Ericka@socpsy.sci.fau.edu Message-Id: X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v2.3 (R4). Priority: A Status: OR What happened was Sinead O'Connor being booed off the stage in Madison Square Garden and bursting into tears at the Bob Dylan concert (due to her SNL appearance where she tore up the Pope's picture) Ericka "...if she ignores the authority and superiority of the Blackman, there is a penalty. When she crosses this line and becomes viciously insulting it is time for the Blackman to soundly slap her in the mouth." -The Blackman's Guide to Understanding the Blackwoman by Shahrazad Ali (author of _How Not to Eat Pork_ or _Life Without the Pig_) From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Oct 19 11:47:59 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA06497; Mon, 19 Oct 92 11:18:47 -0700 Received: from world.std.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA06424; Mon, 19 Oct 92 11:17:02 -0700 Received: from localhost by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA10043; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 14:16:53 -0400 Message-Id: <199210191816.AA10043@world.std.com> To: jitr Subject: Friday night in NYC Date: Mon, 19 Oct 92 14:16:51 -0400 From: Elizabeth Lear Newman Status: OR Here's what happened, according to the Boston Globe: Sinead came on stage at the Bob Dylan tribute, intending to sing a Dylan song. She was greeted with subdued applause mixed with boos, and she froze at the microphone for nearly a minute while the band was trying to gently start the song. Kris Kristofferson (I can't spell his name!) was the MC, and he came over, hugged her, and said "Don't let the bastards get you down." She unfroze enough to sing "War", adding in a new verse (about child abuse, I think), and was booed so emphatically by the crowd that she left the stage in tears with KK. According to the story, the other tribute performers had also been rather distant to her backstage and at the headquarters hotel whenever they saw her. The article also noted that AINYG is "plummeting" down the charts, and that things in general are not going well in her career. ...eliz From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Oct 19 12:36:02 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA07661; Mon, 19 Oct 92 12:09:15 -0700 Received: from zcias1.ziff.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA07628; Mon, 19 Oct 92 12:07:29 -0700 Received: from DN-ARNOR by zcias1.ziff.com (PMDF #12531) id <01GQ4XX4O33O008QMT@zcias1.ziff.com>; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 15:01 EST Received: from arnor.zis.ziff.com by arnor.zis.ziff.com (PMDF #12531) id <01GQ4VBQBF5SAZSZN2@arnor.zis.ziff.com>; Mon, 19 Oct 1992 13:46 EST Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1992 13:46 EST From: Sam Warren Subject: Dylan Tribute To: jitr Message-Id: <01GQ4VBQBF5SAZSZN2@arnor.zis.ziff.com> X-Envelope-To: jitr@presto.ig.com X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" X-Vms-Cc: I_SW Status: OR According to the Daily News (Sunday edition), Sinead was originally slated to perform "I Believe In You", but changed her mind as she was booed by audience members. She launched instead into "War" (I imagine it was a cappella again, although I'm uncertain). Many audience members continued to boo, she did indeed begin to cry, and she was led from the stage by MC Kris Kristofferson. In his introduction of her, he called her "courageous". I don't really understand why the crowd was booing. After all, I would believe that the average Bob Dylan fan would be in favor of racial harmony and civil rights. I would also imagine that his fans would be tolerant of religious opinion, considering that Mr. Dylan has represented various religious choices over the years. Here in New York, she was featured Friday morning on Z100 (a top 40 station). They interviewed her, and gave people the opportunity to phone in and give their opinions. Approximately 90% of the calls were favorable. Sinead herself called in twice more to correct misunderstandings (once she called back because someone mentioned that she was listening to the show in her limo, she stated over the phone that she never rides in limos, and that she was calling from the phone in the radio station van she got a lift in). Just as an aside, I'll mention the totally reprehensible skit In Living Color did last night. They were satirizing The Tonight Show with Jay Leno, and Sinead was a guest. He called her "Uncle Fester", which is a rip-off from the satire Saturday Night Live did a while back. Sinead held up a picture, stated that it was the Prime Minister of Norway, and tore it up because the Prime Minister was responsible for killing whales (or something, I don't really remember). From abrahams@sethsfolly.llnl.gov Mon Oct 19 13:59:27 1992 Received: from sethsfolly.llnl.gov by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA09880; Mon, 19 Oct 92 13:55:30 -0700 Received: by sethsfolly.llnl.gov (4.1/1.15) id AA00215; Sun, 18 Oct 92 22:18:49 PDT Date: Sun, 18 Oct 92 22:18:49 PDT From: abrahams@sethsfolly.llnl.gov (Seth Abrahams) Message-Id: <9210190518.AA00215@sethsfolly.llnl.gov> To: mcb Subject: SOC Status: OR It doesn't look good for her From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Oct 19 14:09:19 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA09574; Mon, 19 Oct 92 13:41:50 -0700 Received: from whistler.sfu.ca by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA09535; Mon, 19 Oct 92 13:40:00 -0700 Received: from okeefe.cstudies.sfu.ca by whistler.sfu.ca (5.65/SFU-2.0) id AA13096; Mon, 19 Oct 92 13:39:32 -0700 Message-Id: <9210192039.AA13096@whistler.sfu.ca> Sender: okeefe@sfu.ca Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1992 13:40:28 +0000 To: jitr From: okeefe@sfu.ca Subject: Re: Dylan Tribute Status: OR >According to the Daily News (Sunday edition), Sinead was originally slated to >perform "I Believe In You", but changed her mind as she was booed by audience >members. She launched instead into "War" (I imagine it was a cappella again, >although I'm uncertain). Many audience members continued to boo, she did >indeed begin to cry, and she was led from the stage by MC Kris Kristofferson. >In his introduction of her, he called her "courageous". I don't really >understand why the crowd was booing. After all, I would believe that the >average Bob Dylan fan would be in favor of racial harmony and civil rights. >I would also imagine that his fans would be tolerant of religious opinion, >considering that Mr. Dylan has represented various religious choices over the >years. Yeah, I'd say that the audience reaction showed that it wasn't a *tribute* to Bob Dylan, but a funeral, or a memorial service. It just goes to show that the 60's are only acceptable as nostalgia, and that the baby boomers who are attempting to keep that flame alight have lost any sense of what it really means, or what really happened during the 60's. I don't idolize the 60's myself, but I know that a lot of actions that were even more controversial than critizing the Pope took place, and people were called heroes for carrying them out. On the lighter side, that well known upholder of the traditions of the Catholic church, Madonna, has condemened Sinead for ripping up the Pope picture because she "the Pope means a whole lot to a lot of people" or words to that affect. I don't know whether to laugh or cry...... Juliet "They laugh 'cause they think they're untouchable Not because what I said was wrong." From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Oct 19 20:05:12 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA16158; Mon, 19 Oct 92 19:37:31 -0700 Received: from prodigal.psych.rochester.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA16126; Mon, 19 Oct 92 19:35:44 -0700 Received: by prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (4.1/1.17) id AA14514; Mon, 19 Oct 92 22:35:27 EDT Date: Mon, 19 Oct 92 22:35:27 EDT From: Boris "mulligatawny" Goldowsky Message-Id: <9210200235.AA14514@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu> To: jitr Subject: re: Friday night in NYC In-Reply-To: <199210191816.AA10043@world.std.com> References: <199210191816.AA10043@world.std.com> Status: OR I was there. Basically the news report posted here describes what happened, but I would add a few things -- The introduction was (approximately): "Here is a singer whose name has become synonymous with courage and integrity." Wow. The booing was certainly not unanimous -- the applause was equally loud, and a fair number of people were standing. Both continued until she left the stage--- I guess neither side could quit as long as the other was still going. It did not look to me like she "froze" (though I must admit that I was sitting behind the stage so I didn't have a great view). She waved off the backup band the first time they started playing, and motioned "cut" with a finger across her throat the second time they tried. Then she asked for her mike to be turned up (to get over the crowd's noise), sung "War" a capella, and walked off. She also appeared on stage with the rest of the company to sing "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" at the end of the concert. See the newsgroup rec.music.dylan for much more on this. Bng -- Boris Goldowsky The only way you'll end up in a corner Is by walking in too straight of a li boris@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu --Claudia Schmidt n 57 Glasgow Street, Rochester, NY 14608 e From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Oct 21 06:24:30 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA16269; Wed, 21 Oct 92 05:53:39 -0700 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA16234; Wed, 21 Oct 92 05:51:44 -0700 Message-Id: <9210211251.AA16234@presto.ig.com> Via: uk.ac.imperial.doc; Wed, 21 Oct 1992 13:50:04 +0100 Received: from localhost by frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <15228-0@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk>; Wed, 21 Oct 1992 13:49:54 +0100 To: jitr Subject: DCFMA single Date: Wed, 21 Oct 92 13:49:42 +0100 From: Matthias Radestock Status: OR "Don't cry for me Argentina" will be released as a single at the end of November (as a X-mas present :) ). -------------------------------------------------------------------- Matthias Radestock now at mr3@doc.ic.ac.uk but rade@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de still works and should be preferred. -------------------------------------------------------------------- "The dying are the lovers of this modern world, The power and the glory survives." --Anne Clark-- From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Oct 21 11:56:28 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA23049; Wed, 21 Oct 92 11:28:54 -0700 Received: from rcnvms.rcn.mass.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA23012; Wed, 21 Oct 92 11:27:09 -0700 Received: from RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU by RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU (PMDF #3065 ) id <01GQ7P2IQYWGASCXMN@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>; Wed, 21 Oct 1992 14:24:57 EDT Date: 21 Oct 1992 14:24:57 -0400 (EDT) From: AMIDURA@rcnvms.rcn.mass.edu Subject: ET snippet To: jitr Message-Id: <01GQ7P2IRI6QASCXMN@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU> X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: OR Entertainment Tonight (last night) had a little snippet on Sinead. They showed th SNL clip ripping up the popes picuture and the Dylan clip, where she walks off the stage crying. They had an interview with her before the Dylan concert. They asked her why she chose the pope... she seaid something like " He represents the organization responsible for child abuse." She also said she did it to create the environment where she would be asked these sorts of questions.. so that she could address the issue of child abuse. am I the only one to catch this? Did anyone else see it and care to fill in details (which I know I left out)? -ana From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Oct 21 14:45:58 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA26620; Wed, 21 Oct 92 14:15:29 -0700 Received: from sethsfolly.llnl.gov by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA26589; Wed, 21 Oct 92 14:13:36 -0700 Received: by sethsfolly.llnl.gov (4.1/1.15) id AA00205; Tue, 20 Oct 92 22:36:51 PDT Date: Tue, 20 Oct 92 22:36:51 PDT From: abrahams@sethsfolly.llnl.gov (Seth Abrahams) Message-Id: <9210210536.AA00205@sethsfolly.llnl.gov> To: jitr Subject: Re: ET snippet Status: OR ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From AMIDURA@rcnvms.rcn.mass.edu Tue Oct 20 20:42:31 1992 Received: from lll-crg.llnl.gov by sethsfolly.llnl.gov (4.1/1.15) id AA00171; Tue, 20 Oct 92 20:42:29 PDT Received: from pierce.llnl.gov by lll-crg.llnl.gov (5.65/LLNL-1.17) id AA28290; Wed, 21 Oct 92 12:18:39 -0700 Received: by pierce.llnl.gov (4.1/LLNL-1.18/llnl.gov-05.92) id AA11133; Wed, 21 Oct 92 12:19:05 PDT Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by pierce.llnl.gov (4.1/LLNL-1.18/llnl.gov-05.92) id AA11123; Wed, 21 Oct 92 12:18:32 PDT Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA23049; Wed, 21 Oct 92 11:28:54 -0700 Received: from rcnvms.rcn.mass.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA23012; Wed, 21 Oct 92 11:27:09 -0700 Received: from RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU by RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU (PMDF #3065 ) id <01GQ7P2IQYWGASCXMN@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>; Wed, 21 Oct 1992 14:24:57 EDT Date: 21 Oct 1992 14:24:57 -0400 (EDT) From: AMIDURA@rcnvms.rcn.mass.edu Subject: ET snippet To: jitr@presto.ig.com Message-Id: <01GQ7P2IRI6QASCXMN@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU> X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: R Entertainment Tonight (last night) had a little snippet on Sinead. They showed th SNL clip ripping up the popes picuture and the Dylan clip, where she walks off the stage crying. They had an interview with her before the Dylan concert. They asked her why she chose the pope... she seaid something like " He represents the organization responsible for child abuse." She also said she did it to create the environment where she would be asked these sorts of questions.. so that she could address the issue of child abuse. am I the only one to catch this? Did anyone else see it and care to fill in details (which I know I left out)? -ana ----- End Included Message ----- you left out the part when the church suggested that SOC seek out psychiatric help From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Oct 22 13:45:22 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA20251; Thu, 22 Oct 92 13:37:33 -0700 Received: from ATHENA-AS-WELL.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA20243; Thu, 22 Oct 92 13:37:18 -0700 Received: from RCA2.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA01634; Thu, 22 Oct 92 16:35:00 EDT From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Received: by rca2.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA06162; Thu, 22 Oct 92 16:34:57 -0400 Message-Id: <9210222034.AA06162@rca2.MIT.EDU> To: jitr Subject: Sinead's CDs and tapes crushed in NYC Date: Thu, 22 Oct 92 16:34:55 EDT Status: OR Hi, The AP newsfeed in our system had an interesting blurb, which I am not sure I can legally reproduce in its entirety, but the main points are that a 30 ton Dynapac rolled over about 200 cassettes, compact discs and records, while approximately 100 people cheered in front of her record company's offices in NYC. As you remember this was organized by the National Ethnic Coalition of Organizations. They apparently plan to send her the crushed recordings. A spokesperson for Sinead called the demonstration silly amd quoted that it was like burning books. Just thought that it would be of interest... Also some Madonna comments on the Sinead issue have surfaced in rec.music.misc. I used to like Madonna, but her new look (check out the MTV interview with Steve Blame- where'd she get that haircut and those fugly fake flowers? :)) and her hypocritical stance pissed me off totally. Plus her new CD is overpriced and not too good...But that discussion doesn't belong in jitr. Angelos From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Oct 22 15:23:47 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA27100; Thu, 22 Oct 92 15:21:11 -0700 Received: from skycat.usask.ca by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA27072; Thu, 22 Oct 92 15:20:57 -0700 Received: from DECNET-MAIL by SASK.USask.CA (PMDF #12333) id <01GQ92P25KN48WWUP1@SASK.USask.CA>; Thu, 22 Oct 1992 14:00 CST Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1992 14:00 CST From: Terry Maton - Construction Engineering Assistant Subject: What they did with all the tapes they collected... To: jitr Message-Id: <01GQ92P25KN48WWUP1@SASK.USask.CA> X-Envelope-To: jitr@presto.ig.com X-Vms-To: IN::"jitr@presto.ig.com" X-Vms-Cc: MATON Status: OR For those in the group who do not get to read clarinet news, here is a UPI story put here without permission... NEW YORK (UPI) -- A steamroller crunched dozens of Sinead O'Connor CD's and tapes piled in front of her recording company's Rockefeller Center offices in protest of the Irish singer's ripping up a photo of Pope John Paul II. The 30-ton red and yellow Dynapac on Wednesday rolled over cassettes, compact discs and even a few records. At the end of her appearance on the Oct. 3 ``Saturday Night Live,'' O'Connor tore up the pope's photograph and walked off the stage. The action outraged many Catholics and when she appeared at Madison Square Garden Friday at a 39th anniversary celebration in honor of Bob Dylan she was booed by the audience until she left the stage in tears. Wednesday's smashed recordings were collected by the National Ethnic Coalition of Organizations, which promised to donate $10 to charity for every O'Connor tape or CD sent in. The organization said it received ``more than 200.'' A feeble cheer went up from a few of the approximately 100 people who had gathered, in addition to members of the media, to watch the protest, across the street from the offices of Chrysalis Records, 1290 Sixth Ave. The protesters planned to deliver mashed recordings to O'Connor. Standing atop the roller were limousine magnate William Fugazy, NECO chairman of the board, and Arnold Burns, NECO president. The two men wore white hard hats adorned with a caricature of the bald singer, with the red international ``prohibited'' stroke across it. ``Under our system of government Sinead O'Connor has every right to do what she did, but we also have the right to express ourselves,'' Burns said. ``O'Connor should be held to the same standards as everyone else,'' he said. ``This celebrity has got to act decently.'' Said Fugazy, who founded the coalition that awards ``Golden Pit'' awards every year for the worst cases of ethnic slurs, cheap shots and sterotyping, ``I think she should apologize to all the ethnic communities around the world...especially all the Catholics.'' A spokeswoman for O'Connor, Elaine Shock, when told of the protest, asked. ``How are they going to get it to her? I don't even know where she is. It's not like Santa Claus where you can address him in care of the North Pole. It can't be 'Sinead O'Connor, Europe.''' She called the demonstration ``silly,'' because O'Connor knows nothing about it, and said it was ``like burning books. It doesn't hurt the author.'' Shock said O'Connor had no regrets over her actions. ``She has a lot of ill-will toward the teachings of the Catholic Church.'' -- Terry Maton - University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada INTERNET: maton@sask.usask.ca or maton@herald.usask.ca FREENET: ap322@cleveland.freenet.edu TRI_STATE ONLINE: usr6105a@tso.uc.edu From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Oct 22 16:12:53 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA01153; Thu, 22 Oct 92 16:10:52 -0700 Received: from world.std.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA01148; Thu, 22 Oct 92 16:10:49 -0700 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA23534; Thu, 22 Oct 1992 19:10:44 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1992 19:10:44 -0400 From: eliz@world.std.com (Elizabeth Lear Newman) Message-Id: <199210222310.AA23534@world.std.com> To: jitr Subject: Re: What they did with all the tapes they collected... Status: OR Did anyone else notice that most of the albums, cds, etc, appeared to be IDNWWIHG? I think no one wanted to part with TLaTC! :) ...eliz From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Oct 27 00:56:16 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA14021; Tue, 27 Oct 92 00:53:41 -0800 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA14016; Tue, 27 Oct 92 00:53:32 -0800 Message-Id: <9210270853.AA14016@presto.ig.com> Via: uk.ac.imperial.doc; Tue, 27 Oct 1992 08:52:48 +0000 Received: from localhost by frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <26847-0@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk>; Tue, 27 Oct 1992 08:49:52 +0000 To: jitr Subject: Appearance in video Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 08:49:37 GMT From: Matthias Radestock Status: OR According to last week`s Melody Maker Sinead will appear in a video of a rap band (sorry, name forgotten maybe it was Madness). She appears also on the "A very special Christmas II" album (with a song called "I believe in you", maybe its the song she originally wanted to sing at the Bob Dylan Tribute). -------------------------------------------------- Matthias Radestock, rade@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de or mr3@doc.ic.ac.uk -------------------------------------------------- From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Oct 28 01:43:11 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA08100; Wed, 28 Oct 92 01:41:59 -0800 Received: from daedalus.epcc.ed.ac.uk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA08096; Wed, 28 Oct 92 01:41:52 -0800 From: welsh@epcc.ed.ac.uk Message-Id: <22254.9210280941@subnode.epcc.ed.ac.uk> Subject: Sinead quits music To: jitr Date: Wed, 28 Oct 92 9:41:27 GMT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR According to Radio 1 this morning, Sinead has quit the music business as a result of the Pope-picture incident. There was something about not being able to communicate properly, so there was no point in continuing. -- _____________________________________________________________________ / Evan Welsh \ \ Edinburgh Parallel Computing Centre (+44 31 650 5960) / From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Oct 28 06:31:12 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA11290; Wed, 28 Oct 92 06:30:02 -0800 Received: from hydra.gatech.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA11285; Wed, 28 Oct 92 06:29:58 -0800 Received: by hydra.gatech.edu (5.65c/3.1) id AA16352; Wed, 28 Oct 1992 09:29:48 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1992 09:29:48 -0500 From: gt5026a@prism.gatech.edu (gt5026a THOMAS,DANA KIMBERLY) Message-Id: <199210281429.AA16352@prism.gatech.edu> To: jitr, welsh@epcc.ed.ac.uk Subject: Re: Sinead quits music Status: OR Actually, I heard this morning on the Today show (of all shows) that Sinead has decided to quit popular music and is going into opera training. They also mentioned that she has an upcoming video for "Don't Cry for Me Argentina." -Dana From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Oct 28 09:17:02 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA14282; Wed, 28 Oct 92 09:15:30 -0800 Received: from sethsfolly.llnl.gov by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA14273; Wed, 28 Oct 92 09:15:21 -0800 Received: by sethsfolly.llnl.gov (4.1/1.15) id AA00276; Wed, 28 Oct 92 08:37:21 PPE Date: Wed, 28 Oct 92 08:37:21 PPE From: abrahams@sethsfolly.llnl.gov (Seth Abrahams) Message-Id: <9210281537.AA00276@sethsfolly.llnl.gov> To: jitr Subject: SOC did not quit Status: OR ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From gt5026a@prism.gatech.edu Wed Oct 28 06:05:18 1992 Received: from lll-crg.llnl.gov by sethsfolly.llnl.gov (4.1/1.15) id AA00256; Wed, 28 Oct 92 06:05:15 PPE Received: from pierce.llnl.gov by lll-crg.llnl.gov (5.65/LLNL-1.17) id AA05354; Wed, 28 Oct 92 06:42:52 -0800 Received: by pierce.llnl.gov (4.1/LLNL-1.18/llnl.gov-05.92) id AA27684; Wed, 28 Oct 92 06:43:22 PST Return-Path: Received: from presto.ig.com by pierce.llnl.gov (4.1/LLNL-1.18/llnl.gov-05.92) id AA27677; Wed, 28 Oct 92 06:43:17 PST Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA11290; Wed, 28 Oct 92 06:30:02 -0800 Received: from hydra.gatech.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA11285; Wed, 28 Oct 92 06:29:58 -0800 Received: by hydra.gatech.edu (5.65c/3.1) id AA16352; Wed, 28 Oct 1992 09:29:48 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1992 09:29:48 -0500 From: gt5026a@prism.gatech.edu (gt5026a THOMAS,DANA KIMBERLY) Message-Id: <199210281429.AA16352@prism.gatech.edu> To: jitr@presto.ig.com, welsh@epcc.ed.ac.uk Subject: Re: Sinead quits music Status: R Actually, I heard this morning on the Today show (of all shows) that Sinead has decided to quit popular music and is going into opera training. They also mentioned that she has an upcoming video for "Don't Cry for Me Argentina." -Dana ----- End Included Message ----- On the radio 98.9 a spoks person for SOC stated that the interviewer miss understood SOC's comment. SOC stated that she did not want to be part of the pop industry this did not mean she quit. She still want to make records. As to opera, SOC want to study opera to strengthen her voice. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Oct 28 10:22:55 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA15916; Wed, 28 Oct 92 10:21:25 -0800 Received: from ATHENA-AS-WELL.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA15911; Wed, 28 Oct 92 10:21:12 -0800 Received: from CARMEL.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA03487; Wed, 28 Oct 92 13:20:57 EST From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Received: by carmel (5.57/4.7) id AA06891; Wed, 28 Oct 92 13:20:54 -0500 Message-Id: <9210281820.AA06891@carmel> To: jitr Subject: Sinead calls it quits? Date: Wed, 28 Oct 92 13:20:52 EST Status: OR I hope that's not true. SInead is not a quitter (me thinks). She should ignore what *others* think of her and her music, and keep up with her vision. As for the opera training, that would be great!!! Based on her RS interview, she is more interested in the *singing* aspect nowadays, so that should keep her occupied. I just hope that real soon she will want to write about all the controversies, and put out an angry protest album!! Dream on. Angelos