From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Sep 2 12:38:29 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA26932; Wed, 2 Sep 92 12:07:09 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA26927; Wed, 2 Sep 92 12:07:03 -0700 Resent-Message-Id: <9209021907.AA26927@presto.ig.com> From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) Newsgroups: rec.music.reviews Subject: Peter Gabriel -- Digging in the Dirt Message-Id: <1992Sep2.095218.2696@dutrun2.tudelft.nl> Date: 2 Sep 92 09:52:18 GMT Sender: news@dutrun2.tudelft.nl (UseNet News System) Reply-To: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville Approved: rec-music-info@ph.tn.tudelft.nl (Temporary Moderator) Originator: recmusic@galaxy Nntp-Posting-Host: ph.tn.tudelft.nl Resent-To: jitr Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 12:07:01 PDT Resent-From: "John M. Relph" Apparently-To: jitr Status: OR Peter Gabriel has returned after a 6 year hiatus, the end of his marriage, and other sordid affairs. The new stuff looks like it is going to be worth the wait. Digging in the dirt is the first single from the forthcoming album, Us (which features his usual band of Tony Levin, David Rhodes, etc as well as guest backing vocals by Shithead O'Connor). It captures the feel of Don't Break THis Rhythm and Red Rain. Repetitive, strong rhythm, and dark lyrics. A worthy successor to Passion and 'Security'. The video, a hodgepodge of assorted images drawn from Sledgehammer and Claymation techniques, along with a liberal dose of insects and worms, is labeled as a 'breakthrough' by MTV. Probably because there's nothing but the same old formula to compare it to, since the video is a re-hash of old styles we've seen before. It's nice to see Peter Gabriel back, looking better than before (the pony tail and grey hair are gone) with some serious new music! I encourage everyone sick of the same old stuff, as well as die-hard PG fans, to grab the new album! Under protest, of course, for O'Connor. Scott From boarjas@elof.iit.edu Tue Sep 8 02:01:53 1992 Received: from iitmax.iit.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA18543; Tue, 8 Sep 92 02:01:49 -0700 Received: from elof.iit.edu by iitmax.iit.edu with SMTP id AA15373 (5.64+/IDA/NIU-1.3.1 for jitr-request@presto.ig.com); Tue, 8 Sep 92 04:01:45 -0500 Received: by elof.iit.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-1.0) id AA04537; Tue, 8 Sep 92 04:01:43 GMT-0500 Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 04:01:43 GMT-0500 From: boarjas@elof.iit.edu (Jason Boardman) Message-Id: <9209080901.AA04537@ elof.iit.edu > To: jitr-request Subject: Here are the lyrics Status: OR Forgot to add the lyrics! Here they are: --------------------8<------------------ Irish ways and Irish Laws by John Gibbs Once upon a time there was Irish Ways and Irish Laws Villages of Irish blood Waking to the morning Then the Vikings came around (4) Turned us up and turned us down Started building boats and towns They tried to change our living They tried to change our living Cromwell and his soldiers came (1) Started centuries of shame But they would not make us turn (2) We are a river flowing We're a river flowing Again, again the soldiers came Burnt our houses stole our grain Shot the farmers in the fields Working for a living Working for a living 800 years we have been down (3) The secrets of the water sound Has kept the spirit of a man Above the pain descending Above the pain descending Today the struggle carries on I wonder will I live so long To see the gates being opened up (4) To a people and their freedom A people and their freedom Notes (1) Oliver Cromwell landed in Ireland in August 1649 at the head of a huge army, by May 1650 he had crushed opposition in all but the West. (By 1652 the Irish population had fallen to .7 m. In 1641 it had been 1.5 m. By 1660 .5 m cattle were being exported annually to England.) (2) Both Cromwell's and subsequent colonisation campaigns used the twin techniques of "planting" English and Scotish settlers and forcing some locals to change or "Turn" their religion to the Protestant faith. So here he uses the ambiguity of the term "turn" to echo both the image of the unbowed Irish peasant and a metaphor for Irish History flowing like a un-turnable river. (3) The first viking invasions were in the 1100's. (4) "Gates" here evokes both images of the be-sieged walled cities of the 17th century and also of the present day prison camps in the North of Ireland which at the time the song was being written (in the late 1970's early 1980's) were the subject of much political campaigning including Hunger Strikes by the inmates. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Sep 14 22:43:52 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA13553; Mon, 14 Sep 92 22:41:56 -0700 Received: from iitmax.iit.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA13548; Mon, 14 Sep 92 22:41:51 -0700 Received: from elof.iit.edu by iitmax.iit.edu with SMTP id AA25751 (5.64+/IDA/NIU-1.3.1 for jitr@presto.ig.com); Tue, 15 Sep 92 00:41:44 -0500 Received: by elof.iit.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-1.0) id AA09771; Tue, 15 Sep 92 00:41:41 GMT-0500 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 00:41:41 GMT-0500 From: boarjas@elof.iit.edu (Jason Boardman) Message-Id: <9209150541.AA09771@ elof.iit.edu > To: jitr Subject: Just a test. Status: OR I haven't received any echos for awhile, so this is just a test to see if I'm still on the list. Jason boarjas@elof.iit.edu From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Sep 15 13:16:35 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA04151; Tue, 15 Sep 92 13:14:28 -0700 Received: from rpi.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA04146; Tue, 15 Sep 92 13:14:23 -0700 Received: from client.its.rpi.edu (lib403.its.rpi.edu) by rpi.edu (4.1/SMHUB32); id AA29537; Tue, 15 Sep 92 16:13:54 EDT for jitr@presto.ig.com Received: by client.its.rpi.edu (4.1/SUB15); id AA01394; Tue, 15 Sep 92 16:13:51 EDT for jitr@presto.ig.com Message-Id: <9209152013.AA01394@client.its.rpi.edu> To: jitr Subject: Success Has Made A Failure of Our Home In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 15 Sep 92 00:41:41 CDT Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 16:13:48 -0400 From: Ron Buckmire Status: OR Well, I finally got to hear this song [it is getting NO MTV play or radio play as far as I can tell] because I have a show at college radio station [WRPI, Troy] and they were sent the CD single. It's not bad. I don't think very many people are looking forward to the album, though. NEWSWEEK referred to it as `` an unnecessary album of standards...''. Well, it comes out next TUESDAY,, Sept 22 in the USA. --- RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``Clinton-Gore 92!'' uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910 "Straight White Male Privilege is like bad breath: no one notices they have it, but if you point it out you're an asshole." -- G. Dauphin, _Village Voice_ From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Sep 15 14:07:45 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA05994; Tue, 15 Sep 92 14:07:09 -0700 Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA05988; Tue, 15 Sep 92 14:07:02 -0700 Received: from CARMEL.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA12300; Tue, 15 Sep 92 17:06:55 EDT From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Received: by carmel (5.57/4.7) id AA01354; Tue, 15 Sep 92 17:06:50 -0400 Message-Id: <9209152106.AA01354@carmel> To: jitr Subject: Re: Success Has Made A Failure of Our Home In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 15 Sep 92 16:13:48 -0400. <9209152013.AA01394@client.its.rpi.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 17:06:48 EDT Status: OR Ron writes: >Well, I finally got to hear this song [it is getting NO MTV play or radio play >as far as I can tell] because I have a show at college radio station [WRPI, >Troy] and they were sent the CD single. It's not bad. I don't think very many >people are looking forward to the album, though. I *still* haven't heard this song. It's not that I couldn't buy it, but spending $5 on a CD-single where the only non album cut is 'You do something to me' didn't seem worth it. Did you know that there are 2 (TWO) Cd-singles released in the UK? One is exactly the same as the first one here in the US, and the other has Success... and 2 other tracks (whose names I forget) that apparently will also be on the album, since there is no indication of the contrary on the sleece. To get that package I would have to spend ~$20, which again I didn't. If anybody knows more about these tracks, please let us know. The album will do. Can't wait for the Peter Gabriel album that includes a duet with Sinead, which Rolling Stone liked (they gave Us ***, which isn't a lot). Angelos ------- 'keep your hands on the wheel, don't turn around, THIS IS FOR REAL...' - PG From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Sep 15 14:28:20 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA06508; Tue, 15 Sep 92 14:25:46 -0700 Received: from horn.kpc.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA06503; Tue, 15 Sep 92 14:25:40 -0700 Received: by horn.kpc.com (5.65/fma-120691); id AA15931; Tue, 15 Sep 92 14:27:04 -0700 Received: from pine by kpc.com (5.65/SMI-4.1-kpc825) id AA15002; Tue, 15 Sep 92 14:25:58 -0700 Received: from phi by mailbox.kpc.com (4.1/kpc-920618) id AA03026; Tue, 15 Sep 92 14:26:18 PDT From: dow@kpc.com (Christopher Dow) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 14:26:22 -0700 Message-Id: <9209152126.AA01969@phi.kpc.com> To: jitr Subject: Re: Re: Success Has Made A Failure of Our Home Cc: Status: OR I just got the first of the two UK discs. It says disc 2 (avialable next week), but they've had it two weeks at the store. It's typical UK (slightly higher than US) quaility but probably not worth $10. I rabid about these things, though. I haven't listened to the songs yet, because I'm absorbing the new Suzanne Vega single and disc. Chris From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Sep 15 14:43:50 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA07013; Tue, 15 Sep 92 14:43:12 -0700 Received: from horn.kpc.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA07009; Tue, 15 Sep 92 14:43:05 -0700 Received: by horn.kpc.com (5.65/fma-120691); id AA16243; Tue, 15 Sep 92 14:44:29 -0700 Received: from pine by kpc.com (5.65/SMI-4.1-kpc825) id AA17606; Tue, 15 Sep 92 14:43:23 -0700 Received: from phi by mailbox.kpc.com (4.1/kpc-920618) id AA03413; Tue, 15 Sep 92 14:43:42 PDT From: dow@kpc.com (Christopher Dow) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 14:43:46 -0700 Message-Id: <9209152143.AA01980@phi.kpc.com> To: jitr Subject: Re: Re: Re: Success Has Made A Failure of Our Home Cc: Status: OR >they've had it two weeks at the store. It's typical UK (slightly higher than US) quaility ^^^^^^^^^^ Freudian typing? (For those not in the US, our Vice President can't spell very welle) From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Sep 15 15:12:38 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA07868; Tue, 15 Sep 92 15:10:36 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA07516; Tue, 15 Sep 92 15:00:38 -0700 Message-Id: <9209152200.AA07516@presto.ig.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 15:00:31 -0800 From: mcb@presto.ig.com (Michael C. Berch) Subject: Re: Success Has Made A Failure of Our Home To: jitr X-Orig-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 16:13:48 -0400 X-Orig-From: Ron Buckmire X-Orig-Message-Id: <9209152013.AA01394@client.its.rpi.edu> Status: OR Ron Buckmire writes: > Well, I finally got to hear this song [it is getting NO MTV play or radio > play as far as I can tell] because I have a show at college radio station > [WRPI, Troy] and they were sent the CD single. It's not bad. I don't think > very many people are looking forward to the album, though. I have seen the video twice on MTV, both times on "120 Minutes", along with a short sound-bite-type interview with Sinead, who sat on a park bench and explained that what she wanted to do was an album full of her old favourite songs from growing up, including the show tunes she would sing at Talent Nights. (Hence "Don't Cry for Me, Argentina", which I am *greatly* looking forward to. I hope it is released as a single.) I don't know if MTV will play the video other than on 120 Minutes, though. MTV has always seemed to think highly of Sinead, presumably since she attracts media attention; I know that Dave Kendall (host of 120 Minutes) is a legitimate Sinead fan, though. As for radio play, I have heard "Success" once on Live 105 (KITS-FM, San Francisco). The (U.S.) CD single is sort of nice, actually, though it only has 3 songs. The cover is of the face of a child killed by death squads in Guatemala (details on the back of the jewel box), which sort of confirms my feelings about the video for "Success" and gives it a very political reading. -- Michael C. Berch mcb@presto.ig.com From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Sep 15 22:00:12 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA20130; Tue, 15 Sep 92 21:59:18 -0700 Received: from iitmax.iit.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA20112; Tue, 15 Sep 92 21:58:25 -0700 Received: from elof.iit.edu by iitmax.iit.edu with SMTP id AA24819 (5.64+/IDA/NIU-1.3.1 for jitr@presto.ig.com); Tue, 15 Sep 92 23:57:37 -0500 Received: by elof.iit.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-1.0) id AA07638; Tue, 15 Sep 92 23:57:21 CDT Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 23:57:21 CDT From: boarjas@elof.iit.edu (Jason Boardman) Message-Id: <9209160457.AA07638@ elof.iit.edu > To: jitr Subject: Sinead in NME Status: OR Just a word.. the new NME features two Sinead blurbs. Still waiting on a friend to post me the singles from the UK along with the album. The new discogrpahy will soon follow. (Thanks to wonderful Inga!) Jason boarjas@elof.iit.edu From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Sep 16 13:28:10 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA12307; Wed, 16 Sep 92 13:26:40 -0700 Received: from whistler.sfu.ca by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA12303; Wed, 16 Sep 92 13:26:35 -0700 Received: from okeefe.cstudies.sfu.ca by whistler.sfu.ca (5.65/SFU-2.0) id AA11787; Wed, 16 Sep 92 13:26:27 -0700 Message-Id: <9209162026.AA11787@whistler.sfu.ca> Sender: okeefe@sfu.ca Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 13:27:20 +0000 To: jitr From: okeefe@sfu.ca Subject: Am I not your Girl Status: OR My friend Kevin bought *Am I Not Your Girl* as soon as it went on sale in Canada yesterday morning. (Sept. 15) The album is dedicated to the homeless of New York and to "the angel Peter Gabriel". Kevin writes: (he doesn't have access to e-mail yet). Also included is a poem/statement on the leaf of the CD and cassette which is less than uplifting. However, in it she dicusses child abuse, rape, murder, addiction, death, self-esteem, fear, starvation and love. Just about everything! Further, Sinead writes on the album: "These are the songs I grew up listening to. They are the songs that made me want to be a singer. That's the 'why'". Here are the tracks in order: Why Don't You Do Right Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered Secret Love Black Coffee Success Has Made A Failure of Our Home Don't Cry For Me Argentina I Want To Be Loved By You Gloomy Sunday Love Letters How Insensitive Scarlet Ribbons Dont Cry For Me Argentina (inst) Plus (not writen up as an actual track) there is a 70 second statement by Sinead right after the last track where she says she is not angry and she is not a liar but the liars hate her. She continues to speak about God and those who assasinated Jesus and she says that the biggest liars are those "in the collars"( i.e. priests) and "The Holy Roman Empire"! She also talks about death and how we all die anyways. It's really deep. If you like old jazz tunes of the 30s and 40s you'll like the album; Sinead has not lost her voice. However it is a big change fron her other stuff. And she is (as usual) quite open with her opinions. I like it but I am a die hard Sinead worshipper! Kevin She also wears the ugliest shoes in the world on the cover - Juliet From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Sep 16 13:51:15 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA12970; Wed, 16 Sep 92 13:50:31 -0700 Received: from horn.kpc.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA12963; Wed, 16 Sep 92 13:50:28 -0700 Received: by horn.kpc.com (5.65/fma-120691); id AA05531; Wed, 16 Sep 92 13:51:55 -0700 Received: from pine by kpc.com (5.65/SMI-4.1-kpc825) id AA02149; Wed, 16 Sep 92 13:50:49 -0700 Received: from phi by mailbox.kpc.com (4.1/kpc-920618) id AA12870; Wed, 16 Sep 92 13:51:07 PDT From: dow@kpc.com (Christopher Dow) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 13:51:13 -0700 Message-Id: <9209162051.AA03348@phi.kpc.com> To: jitr Subject: Re: Am I not your Girl Cc: Status: OR > >She also wears the ugliest shoes in the world on the cover - Juliet > I would be truly suprised if they are uglier than the ones Suzanne Vega wears in the liner pictures on her new disc, "99.9 farheneit degrees". Chris From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Sep 17 06:20:16 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA05104; Thu, 17 Sep 92 06:19:11 -0700 Received: from zcias1.ziff.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA05098; Thu, 17 Sep 92 06:19:05 -0700 Received: from DN-ARNOR by zcias1.ziff.com (PMDF #12531) id <01GOVWKFG2ZK004E04@zcias1.ziff.com>; Thu, 17 Sep 1992 09:16 EST Received: from arnor.zis.ziff.com by arnor.zis.ziff.com (PMDF #12531) id <01GOVWIIE2GG94DSJX@arnor.zis.ziff.com>; Thu, 17 Sep 1992 09:14 EST Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1992 09:14 EST From: Sam Warren Subject: am i not your girl To: jitr Message-Id: <01GOVWIIE2GG94DSJX@arnor.zis.ziff.com> X-Envelope-To: jitr@presto.ig.com X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" X-Vms-Cc: I_SW Status: OR Many thanks to Kevin for sharing all that info about the new album. But may I just register a brief statement on my general sense of ire: Why is the release date in Canada a full WEEK before the U.S. release? Last I heard, the album would be out here on the 22nd. Has the date been moved up or does she like them better than us? Well, that's prejudice, eh? P.S. You guys should try not to judge a person by his/her shoes. Some people were born with bad taste and can't help themselves. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Sep 17 07:49:45 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA07220; Thu, 17 Sep 92 07:49:26 -0700 Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA07216; Thu, 17 Sep 92 07:49:23 -0700 Received: from CARMEL.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA05053; Thu, 17 Sep 92 10:49:10 EDT From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Received: by carmel (5.57/4.7) id AA13948; Thu, 17 Sep 92 10:49:04 -0400 Message-Id: <9209171449.AA13948@carmel> To: jitr Subject: Re: am i not your girl In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 17 Sep 92 09:14:00 -0500. <01GOVWIIE2GG94DSJX@arnor.zis.ziff.com> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 92 10:49:03 EDT Status: OR Sam writes: >P.S. You guys should try not to judge a person by his/her shoes. Some people >were born with bad taste and can't help themselves. :) For those of you in the US who are *really* curious about her shoes, check out the ad for 'Am i not your girl?' that is featured in the latest Rolling Stone, the one with U2 on the cover. I wouldn't call it bad taste, she's apparently been hanging out with Lady Miss Kier lately :) Great photo!! Angelos From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Sep 18 00:15:30 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA03944; Fri, 18 Sep 92 00:14:15 -0700 Received: from [141.76.3.5] by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA03932; Fri, 18 Sep 92 00:13:40 -0700 Received: by irz205.inf.tu-dresden.de (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA00282; Fri, 18 Sep 92 09:14:54 +0200 From: mr1@irz205.inf.tu-dresden.de (Matthias Radestock) Message-Id: <9209180714.AA00282@irz205.inf.tu-dresden.de> Subject: Bob Dylan To: jitr (Jump In The River) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 92 9:14:53 MET DST Reply-To: rade@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] Status: OR On the 16 October Bob Dylan celebrates the 30th anniversary of his first record release. There will be a big concert in the NY Madison Square Garden that will be broadcasted worldwide. Among the special guests are Eric Clapton and (yes, that's why I post this) Sinead O'Connor. "Newsweek" calls Sinead's album "unnecessary". Unnecessary for whom, I may ask? Certainly not for Sinead. I wonder if Sinead will go on tour with her new album. In my imagination it would sound very strange if she sings the new songs AND the old ones (Troy, Mandinka, Three Babies etc.) in a concert. But can you think of a Sinead concert that does NOT include Troy!? But I hope she will manage it somehow and we'll see her on stage very soon. -- ********************************************************************** * Matthias Radestock E-mail: rade@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de * * Striesener Str. 36b Tel. : +49 351 4592474 * * 8019 Dresden * * GERMANY * ********************************************************************** From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Sep 18 06:57:22 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA11520; Fri, 18 Sep 92 06:56:42 -0700 Received: from cunyvm.cuny.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA11515; Fri, 18 Sep 92 06:56:39 -0700 Received: from snypotva.bitnet by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9492; Fri, 18 Sep 92 09:56:16 EDT Date: Fri, 18 Sep 92 09:55 EDT From: Babel Phish Subject: Them big ugly shoes To: jitr Message-Id: X-Organization: Potsdam College of the STATE UNIVERSITY OF NEW YORK (SUNY) X-Envelope-To: jitr@presto.ig.COM X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" X-Vms-Cc: RUVOLA39 Status: OR Aren't those the same ugly shoes Tori Amos wore on her album? It's becoming a . MYKEL From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Sep 18 09:51:10 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA16328; Fri, 18 Sep 92 09:50:07 -0700 Received: from zcias1.ziff.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA16319; Fri, 18 Sep 92 09:50:03 -0700 Received: from DN-ARNOR by zcias1.ziff.com (PMDF #12531) id <01GOXI78HHXC004I3O@zcias1.ziff.com>; Fri, 18 Sep 1992 12:46 EST Received: from arnor.zis.ziff.com by arnor.zis.ziff.com (PMDF #12531) id <01GOXI4ZD6R494DT4I@arnor.zis.ziff.com>; Fri, 18 Sep 1992 12:44 EST Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1992 12:44 EST From: Sam Warren Subject: Them big ugly shoes To: jitr Message-Id: <01GOXI4ZD6R494DT4I@arnor.zis.ziff.com> X-Envelope-To: jitr@presto.ig.com X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" X-Vms-Cc: I_SW Status: OR I found the picture of Sinead in Rolling Stone. I'm sorry I told you guys not to judge people by their shoes. You were right. These are some UGLY shoes. Now Sinead, you know I love you, and I forgive you anything. But let me take you shopping sometime, huh? From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Sep 21 06:53:09 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA18481; Mon, 21 Sep 92 06:51:31 -0700 Received: from cunyvm.cuny.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA18476; Mon, 21 Sep 92 06:51:27 -0700 Received: from snypotva.bitnet by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5213; Mon, 21 Sep 92 09:51:05 EDT Date: Mon, 21 Sep 92 09:50 EDT From: Babel Phish Subject: More about those wonderful shoes... To: jitr Message-Id: X-Organization: Potsdam College of the STATE UNIVERSITY OF NEW YORK (SUNY) X-Envelope-To: jitr@presto.ig.COM X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" X-Vms-Cc: RUVOLA39 Status: OR I'm not sure what the name of the Album is (Tori amos), but it's the one that has the song CRUCIFY...not the single with Smells like Teen Spirit, But the full length...In a video for one of the songs, she's wearing those big ugly horse hoof shoes...Mykel From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Sep 21 07:59:39 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA20077; Mon, 21 Sep 92 07:59:18 -0700 Received: from rcnvms.rcn.mass.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA20072; Mon, 21 Sep 92 07:59:14 -0700 Received: from RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU by RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU (PMDF #3065 ) id <01GP1KYXUKSGAC3W0L@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>; Mon, 21 Sep 1992 10:55:57 EDT Date: 21 Sep 1992 10:55:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Gone off the deep end Subject: shoes To: jitr Message-Id: <01GP1KYXUKSIAC3W0L@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU> X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: OR I really shouldn't be replying to this for I haven't seen Sinead's nor Tori's shoes... But.... as a collector of weird shoes (about 75 pairs of sneakers and 40-50 pairs of shoes) I'm sure they are beautiful! And, I wouldn't be surprised to see them as the "fashion statement" in a couple of years. You see, I had DR. Martins shoes about 5 years ago when I went to Germany. When I came back to the states, I got laughed at... "What are those things on your feet?" Anyway, needless to say, they seem to be the rage now. -ana From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Sep 21 17:07:24 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA08889; Mon, 21 Sep 92 17:06:33 -0700 Received: from cunyvm.cuny.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA08885; Mon, 21 Sep 92 17:06:28 -0700 Received: from snypotva.bitnet by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5438; Mon, 21 Sep 92 20:06:05 EDT Date: Mon, 21 Sep 92 20:05 EDT From: Babel Phish Subject: Tori's shoes....and Doctor Martins for that matter To: jitr Message-Id: X-Organization: Potsdam College of the STATE UNIVERSITY OF NEW YORK (SUNY) X-Envelope-To: jitr@presto.ig.COM X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" X-Vms-Cc: RUVOLA39 Status: OR Tori wears them big ol UGLY horse hoof shoes in the video for "Silent All These Years"...and BOY are they UGLY...Sinead wears them (same style) on the cover of the new album...AND BOY ARE THEY UGLY... These shoes are NO doctor Martins...They have about a 4 inch heel, and it flares out at the bottom in a BIG way...AND BOY ARE THEY UGLY... As for Doctor Martins-> They are Ugly too..But NOT..I repeat.. NOT..as UGLY as these...Doc's have been around FOREVER...so if you got laughed at five years ago...Is no different than getting laughed at for them, today...I think the same people are wearing those shoes...but the Sub-Culture has become Mall culture...and therefor widened it's appeal. Perry's Dream has come true....Doc martins are everywhere. ->And Boy ARE THEY UGLY<- M Y K E L From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Sep 22 07:34:36 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA26878; Tue, 22 Sep 92 07:33:29 -0700 Received: from sunlight.Stanford.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA26873; Tue, 22 Sep 92 07:33:25 -0700 Received: from elaine9.Stanford.EDU by sunlight.Stanford.EDU (4.1/AIR-1.0) id AA01087; Tue, 22 Sep 92 07:33:20 PDT Date: Tue, 22 Sep 92 07:33:20 PDT From: cris@leland.stanford.edu Message-Id: <9209221433.AA01087@sunlight.Stanford.EDU> To: jitr Subject: A bit disappointed Status: OR Well, our rad local music store Newbury Comics stayed open 'til midnight last night to release "Am I Not.." and the new Nine Inch Nails ep. I must say that, although I knew what to expect, I was disappointed with Sinead's latest musical excursion. I actually like "Success has made..." - she uses her voice quite well on that, and the backup music isn't too annoying; it's kind of like "Feel so different" rather than the typical 30's stuff. Unfortunately, the rest of the album doesn't quite live up to this, even. Her voice remains quite calm ... none of the emotion I love from her. I had expected that even if the backup music was lame, I would still appreciate her voice - but I guess it wasn't meant to be. I'm not giving up on Sinead, though. This album was probably good for her ... it got rid of her Top 40 "Nothing COmpares" crowd, it will remove her from the "rock-star" spotlight that really bugged her, and it's a chance for her to do some music that she wanted to. And like Wayne says "Led Zeppelin didn't write music everyone would like - they left that for the BeeGees." However, this is a disturbing trend. I felt "I DoNot Want..." was a step in the wrong direction from "Lion & the Cobra", and now she's continuing her descent into mellowness.Is she going to end up touring with Frank SInatra or what?Is this what happens to people when they start getting old? The cover is great, though, if you can ignore the shoes. From the ankles up, it's a really good picture of her ... just looking at her makes me want to forgive the music inside the case. Well, just my opinion. What do you all think? Cris P.S. The new Nine Inch Nails is great! Too bad Sinead had to be outdone by Trent Reznor. I thought I'd never see the day... From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Sep 22 08:31:52 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA28583; Tue, 22 Sep 92 08:31:15 -0700 Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA28574; Tue, 22 Sep 92 08:31:10 -0700 Received: from CARMEL.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA07160; Tue, 22 Sep 92 11:31:05 EDT From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Received: by carmel (5.57/4.7) id AA18361; Tue, 22 Sep 92 11:31:02 -0400 Message-Id: <9209221531.AA18361@carmel> To: jitr Subject: Re: A bit disappointed In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 22 Sep 92 07:33:20 -0700. <9209221433.AA01087@sunlight.Stanford.EDU> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 92 11:31:01 EDT Status: OR Both the Boston Phoenix and Q magazine really blast the new Sinead album. And they both point out that she doesn't sing, but mostly whispers. I think I can see the reason. It's a trend. She's been hanging around with Peter Gabriel, and if you listen to *his* song Quiet Steam from the Digging in the dirt CD-single, you can also hear him whisper. To my ears, that sounded good. But then I still haven't heard the new Sinead. 'til later (when i have given the album about 5 listens and decided if i like it or not) angelos From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Sep 22 16:26:12 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA12657; Tue, 22 Sep 92 16:25:23 -0700 Received: from horn.kpc.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA12649; Tue, 22 Sep 92 16:25:20 -0700 Received: by horn.kpc.com (5.65/fma-120691); id AA01073; Tue, 22 Sep 92 16:26:47 -0700 Received: from pine by kpc.com (5.65/SMI-4.1-kpc825) id AA00790; Tue, 22 Sep 92 16:25:41 -0700 Received: from phi by mailbox.kpc.com (4.1/kpc-920618) id AA28464; Tue, 22 Sep 92 16:25:55 PDT From: dow@kpc.com (Christopher Dow) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 92 16:26:07 -0700 Message-Id: <9209222326.AA06869@phi.kpc.com> To: jitr Subject: Wow! They are uglier than Suzanne Vega's Cc: Status: OR OH MY GOD! Those shoes are SOOOOOOO ugly! (At least her butt's not big). Well, I like _am I not your girl?_, I liked it the first two times I heard it anyway. I do kinda like that period in music, though, so maybe I'm not a good source, but it really does sound like it was done in the 40`s...always full of suprises, our little bald irishwoman. Chris From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Sep 23 08:15:59 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA04723; Wed, 23 Sep 92 08:14:33 -0700 Received: from [141.76.1.10] by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA04687; Wed, 23 Sep 92 08:13:18 -0700 Received: by irz201.inf.tu-dresden.de (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA12466; Wed, 23 Sep 92 17:13:21 +0200 Message-Id: <9209231513.AA12466@irz201.inf.tu-dresden.de> Subject: New GIFs To: jitr (Jump In The River) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 92 17:13:21 MET DST From: Matthias Radestock Reply-To: rade@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] Status: OR Hey, who scanned the two GIFs (sinead1 and sinead2) that are available at the ftp site ? Are they taken from the cover of the new album ? -- ********************************************************************** * Matthias Radestock E-mail: rade@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de * * Striesener Str. 36b Tel. : +49 351 4592474 * * 8019 Dresden * * GERMANY * ********************************************************************** From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Sep 23 10:02:40 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA08048; Wed, 23 Sep 92 10:01:19 -0700 Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA08040; Wed, 23 Sep 92 10:01:15 -0700 Received: from CARMEL.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA28831; Wed, 23 Sep 92 13:01:07 EDT From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Received: by carmel (5.57/4.7) id AA19190; Wed, 23 Sep 92 13:01:04 -0400 Message-Id: <9209231701.AA19190@carmel> To: jitr Subject: the new one Date: Wed, 23 Sep 92 13:01:03 EDT Status: OR Hi, Errrr, I really don't understand what all the fuss is about. I really don't understand why the reviewers blast Sinead's vocal performance along with her choice of songs. Sinead chose to sing her faves, and she does a damn good job. It's her 'Pin-ups'. I like the album a lot. [But then I ran out and bought original versions of the Cole Porter songs featured in Red, Hot & Blue :) ] I would *love* to see Sinead do a tour for this one! 'Troy' and 'Jackie' performed by a big band!!! *THAT* would be rebellion! Angelos PS. I haven't paid attention to her ranting at the end of the CD, but what's in the booklet is Sinead's theory of the world, as we know it from the old Spin interview, condensed into a page. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Sep 23 12:09:50 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA12269; Wed, 23 Sep 92 12:06:52 -0700 Received: from iitmax.iit.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA12261; Wed, 23 Sep 92 12:06:45 -0700 Received: from elof.iit.edu by iitmax.iit.edu with SMTP id AA25056 (5.64+/IDA/NIU-1.3.1 for jitr@presto.ig.com); Wed, 23 Sep 92 14:06:35 -0500 Received: by elof.iit.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-1.0) id AA03863; Wed, 23 Sep 92 14:06:33 CDT Date: Wed, 23 Sep 92 14:06:33 CDT From: boarjas@elof.iit.edu (Jason Boardman) Message-Id: <9209231906.AA03863@ elof.iit.edu > To: jitr Subject: New pics Status: OR I have scanned and posted some new Sinead pics for the archive. They should be available now in the FTP directory. These are not from the new album, but just from old articles. They are listed as Sinead1 and Sinead2. Enjoy! Jason Boardman boarjas@elof.iit.edu Also, a new revision of the discography will be coming soon. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Sep 23 12:35:40 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA13107; Wed, 23 Sep 92 12:33:03 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA12975; Wed, 23 Sep 92 12:29:23 -0700 Message-Id: <9209231929.AA12975@presto.ig.com> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 92 12:29:16 -0800 From: mcb@presto.ig.com (Michael C. Berch) Subject: Re: New pics To: jitr X-Orig-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 92 14:06:33 CDT X-Orig-From: boarjas@elof.iit.edu (Jason Boardman) X-Orig-Message-Id: <9209231906.AA03863@ elof.iit.edu > Status: OR Jason writes: > I have scanned and posted some new Sinead pics for > the archive. They should be available now in the > FTP directory. These are not from the new album, > but just from old articles. They are listed as > Sinead1 and Sinead2. Enjoy! The files are available in the archive as of yesterday evening. (host: turbo.bio.net login: anonymous password: guest directory: jitr) Thanks again to Jason. Some notes on the image files -- I have decided to keep both GIF and JPEG versions of the image scans, but not keep the uuencoded versions. If you can use FTP, you should be able to download an 8-bit binary file. (Remember to set your FTP client for "binary" or "I" files when downloading .gif or .jpg files.) Note that the JPEG format offers much better compression than GIF. (But don't ask me about viewing programs; I am pretty much ignorant, but there is information on Usenet in the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.utilities.) Also, the JITR archive host will be changing names (to "net.bio.net") in about a week or so. The archives should not be affected otherwise, and the list itself, on presto.ig.com, will not be affected at all. -- Michael C. Berch Jump-In-The-River Moderator jitr-request@presto.ig.com From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Sep 23 16:17:11 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA19792; Wed, 23 Sep 92 16:16:35 -0700 Received: from zcias1.ziff.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA19784; Wed, 23 Sep 92 16:16:29 -0700 Received: from DN-ARNOR by zcias1.ziff.com (PMDF #12531) id <01GP4V5PLJCG007528@zcias1.ziff.com>; Wed, 23 Sep 1992 19:13 EST Received: from arnor.zis.ziff.com by arnor.zis.ziff.com (PMDF #12531) id <01GP4V3PODGW94DYO8@arnor.zis.ziff.com>; Wed, 23 Sep 1992 19:11 EST Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1992 19:11 EST From: Sam Warren Subject: am I not your girl? To: jitr Message-Id: <01GP4V3PODGW94DYO8@arnor.zis.ziff.com> X-Envelope-To: jitr@presto.ig.com X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" X-Vms-Cc: I_SW Status: OR I got the album, and I feel really proud to add it to my collection. I sort of hope she hasn't abandoned songs like Jerusalem and Mandinka. But I'm very glad to see her branching out into other areas. I don't agree with all the critics who find this album so strange. The strangest thing about it, IMHO, is that the arrangements are so BIG (i.e. loud), and her voice is so small. No, I don't think she's whispering. I can hear her. But it seems unbalanced. And it seems very odd indeed that this woman with the strong voice chose to play underneath the arrangements. I can't imagine that she felt intimidated. Not Sinead! So anyway, I think the high moments are: Why Don't You Do Right, Black Coffee, I Want To Be Loved By You (which is actually where her voice is at its stongest), Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered and Gloomy Sunday. Success Has Made... failed to reach me in a meaningful way (except for the end, when she repeats painfully "am I not your girl"). All in all I like it, I'm glad she did it, and I can't wait to see what she'll do next. P.S. That monologue at the end is pretty weird, following, as it does, that jazzy arrangement of "Don't Cry For Me...". Yeah, she is angry. Now who was it who said she was full of hate? Who provoked this anyway? From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Sep 24 11:28:40 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA16583; Thu, 24 Sep 92 11:27:14 -0700 Received: from rcnvms.rcn.mass.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA16579; Thu, 24 Sep 92 11:27:10 -0700 Received: from RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU by RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU (PMDF #3065 ) id <01GP5Z33OHTCAC47UA@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>; Thu, 24 Sep 1992 14:23:11 EDT Date: 24 Sep 1992 14:23:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Gone off the deep end Subject: Her shoes To: jitr Message-Id: <01GP5Z33OHTEAC47UA@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU> X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: OR I made a comment earlier this week about Sinead's shoes. And although I hadn't seen the picture, I figured they couldn't be that bad, could they? Well, I just got her new album and can now give a just opinion on her shoes...... I LIKE them. I mean, they are not the type of shoes I would wear to a night club in downtown Providence, but I think I would wear them. If you haven't noticed, Platform shoes are coming back into style. And In a few months,perhaps, you will see someone walking down the street and your going to say, "Hey, she has Sinead shoes on" If you think about it, Sinead was the first female (that I know of anyway) to shave her head. Now, everywhere you go, that's the remarks you hear, "Hey, it's Sinead" Well, enough of her shoes...... I can't wait to hear this thing... =ana ;-) From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Sep 25 18:38:06 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA08053; Fri, 25 Sep 92 18:36:47 -0700 Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA08049; Fri, 25 Sep 92 18:36:42 -0700 Received: from E40-008-12.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA28540; Fri, 25 Sep 92 21:36:38 EDT From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Received: by e40-008-12.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA04160; Fri, 25 Sep 92 21:36:35 -0400 Message-Id: <9209260136.AA04160@e40-008-12.MIT.EDU> To: jitr Subject: Success, pt.2 Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 21:36:34 EDT Status: OR HI, I just saw the second CD single of Success. It has two tracks *not* on the album: _My heart belongs to daddy_ and _Someone to watch over me_. Just for the completeness of the upcoming updated discography. And btw, her backing vocals for PG's 'come talk to me' are pretty good!! Angelos 'Atmospherics after dark, noise and voices from the past Across the dial from Moscow to Cologne Interference in the night, thousand miles on either side Stations fading into the unknown...' From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Sep 30 09:19:14 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA18235; Wed, 30 Sep 92 09:17:37 -0700 Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA18230; Wed, 30 Sep 92 09:17:31 -0700 Received: from CARMEL.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA06650; Wed, 30 Sep 92 12:17:08 EDT From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Received: by carmel (5.57/4.7) id AA25817; Wed, 30 Sep 92 12:17:02 -0400 Message-Id: <9209301617.AA25817@carmel> To: jitr Subject: Sinead on US TV and in Time Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 12:17:00 EDT Status: OR Hi, The latest issue of Time, features a mini-review of 'Am I not your GIrl?' which is the first favourable review I have seen! She repeats AINYG 26 times in 'Success'!! I never bothered to count, but apparently the reviewer there did! :) She is also featured in the 'Year 2000' special issue of Time, where she talks about how the future can be improved. Not surprisingly she puts forth her theory that child abuse is to blame for everything. But it is interesting that she is the *only* musician featured (if I remember correctly). Is Ensign records a subsidiary of Time-Warner or something? ;) In other Sinead related news, she will be the guest at this weeks Saturday night live, so set your VCR's. According to the list of musicians TV appearances on talk shows, a recording session of hers will be featured in next week's 'In Concert', so that should be interesting too! She can also distinctly be heard in the tracks 'Come talk to me', and 'Blood of Eden' in the new PG album. AND, AINYG has climbed from #7 to #6 in the UK charts this week. It will be interesting to see how she will do stateside. Has anybody heard any tour plans? Angelos