From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Jul 1 17:28:30 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA12945; Wed, 1 Jul 92 17:25:21 -0700 Received: from iitmax.iit.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA12939; Wed, 1 Jul 92 17:25:17 -0700 Received: from elof.iit.edu by iitmax.iit.edu with SMTP id AA18404 (5.64+/IDA/NIU-1.3.1 for jitr@presto.ig.com); Wed, 1 Jul 92 19:22:43 -0600 Received: by elof.iit.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-1.0) id AA05401; Wed, 1 Jul 92 19:25:11 GMT-0500 Date: Wed, 1 Jul 92 19:25:11 GMT-0500 From: boarjas@elof.iit.edu (Jason Boardman) Message-Id: <9207020025.AA05401@ elof.iit.edu > Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.63) To: jitr Subject: oops, lost additions! Status: OR To all you wonderful people out there who have already sent me revisions for the discography could you please send them again? (except Matthias I still have yours) You see, I was supposedly APPENDING all of them to a special file -- BUT! -- apparently my featureless mailer was just overwriting! So I still have the last revision (Matthias's) but that's it. I think the others were the Elm Street Soundtrack, and the other songs she sang on Goodbye Jumbo and Rising Above Bedlam. Would you kind souls out there please re-send these, and if possible, try to include the same info as most of the entries in the discog...i.e.: song name, album name, album release year, serial number, US or UK or ??. If you don't have all the info that's ok, send what you can find.. Thanks! Jason Boardman boarjas@elof.iit.edu From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Jul 8 20:12:52 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA19974; Wed, 8 Jul 92 20:10:26 -0700 Received: from iitmax.iit.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA19968; Wed, 8 Jul 92 20:10:20 -0700 Received: from elof.iit.edu by iitmax.iit.edu with SMTP id AA12189 (5.64+/IDA/NIU-1.3.1 for jitr@presto.ig.com); Wed, 8 Jul 92 22:10:25 -0600 Received: by elof.iit.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-1.0) id AA16292; Wed, 8 Jul 92 22:10:10 GMT-0500 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 92 22:10:10 GMT-0500 From: boarjas@elof.iit.edu (Jason Boardman) Message-Id: <9207090310.AA16292@ elof.iit.edu > To: jitr Subject: Sinead on Nightmare Status: OR Can someone tell me which Nightmare On Elm Street Soundtrack featured I Want Your (Hands On Me)? If possible the year it was released as well. Thanks: Jason Boardman boarjas@elof.iit.edu From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Jul 8 20:12:57 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA20012; Wed, 8 Jul 92 20:12:16 -0700 Received: from iitmax.iit.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA20006; Wed, 8 Jul 92 20:12:12 -0700 Received: from elof.iit.edu by iitmax.iit.edu with SMTP id AA20574 (5.64+/IDA/NIU-1.3.1 for jitr@presto.ig.com); Wed, 8 Jul 92 22:12:16 -0600 Received: by elof.iit.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-1.0) id AA16300; Wed, 8 Jul 92 22:12:02 GMT-0500 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 92 22:12:02 GMT-0500 From: boarjas@elof.iit.edu (Jason Boardman) Message-Id: <9207090312.AA16300@ elof.iit.edu > To: jitr Subject: UK Lion Cobra cover Status: OR I just recently received the UK LP of The Lion and The Cobra. I was just wondering if everyone out there was aware of the different cover from the US version? The UK one is the same except she is 'screaming' instead of sitting there silently. If I can find a working scanner, would anyone be interested in a scan of it? Jason Boardman boarjas@elof.iit.edu From boarjas@elof.iit.edu Wed Jul 8 21:47:56 1992 Received: from iitmax.iit.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA22397; Wed, 8 Jul 92 21:47:51 -0700 Received: from elof.iit.edu by iitmax.iit.edu with SMTP id AA06195 (5.64+/IDA/NIU-1.3.1 for mcb@presto.ig.com); Wed, 8 Jul 92 23:47:56 -0600 Received: by elof.iit.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-1.0) id AA16831; Wed, 8 Jul 92 23:47:36 GMT-0500 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 92 23:47:36 GMT-0500 From: boarjas@elof.iit.edu (Jason Boardman) Message-Id: <9207090447.AA16831@ elof.iit.edu > To: mcb Subject: Lyric addition Cc: boarjas@iitmax.iit.edu Status: OR I have transcribed the lyrics to Irish Ways and Irish Laws for the FTP archive. Will you add them? Please notify the list when they are available. Thanks! Jason Boardman boarjas@elof.iit.edu ------------------8<---CHOP HERE---8<------------- Irish Ways and Irish Laws Sinead O'Connor -------------------------- Once upon a time there was Irish ways and Irish laws villages of Irish blood waking to the morning waking to the morning Then the Vikings came around turned us up and turned us down started building boats and towns they tried to change our living tried to change our living Cromwell and his soldiers came started centuries of shame but they could not make us turn we are a river flowing we're a river flowing Again, again the soldiers came burned our houses, stole our grain shot the farmers in their field working for a living working for a living Eight hundred years we have been down seen what all the waters sound (?) that's kept the spirit of the land (?) upon the pained and saddened (?) upon the pained and saddened (?) Today the struggle carries on I wonder will I live so long to see it again spill open love to a people and their freedom people and their freedom Once upon a time there was Irish ways and Irish Laws villages of Irish blood waking to the morning waking to the morning ------------------------------------------------ Transcribed by ear by: Jason Boardman 7/9/92 I am unsure about some of these lyrics as it was difficult to work out just what she is singing. If you have any suggestions for revision, please send them to: boarjas@elof.iit.edu ------------------------------------------------ From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Jul 8 21:56:57 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA22606; Wed, 8 Jul 92 21:56:16 -0700 Received: from iitmax.iit.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA22601; Wed, 8 Jul 92 21:56:10 -0700 Received: from elof.iit.edu by iitmax.iit.edu with SMTP id AA25963 (5.64+/IDA/NIU-1.3.1 for jitr@presto.ig.com); Wed, 8 Jul 92 23:56:14 -0600 Received: by elof.iit.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-1.0) id AA16871; Wed, 8 Jul 92 23:56:00 GMT-0500 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 92 23:56:00 GMT-0500 From: boarjas@elof.iit.edu (Jason Boardman) Message-Id: <9207090456.AA16871@ elof.iit.edu > To: jitr Subject: Irish Ways lyrics Status: OR I have mailed the lyrics to Irish Ways and Irish Laws to the moderator, so they should be available for FTP'ing soon. Please let me know if you agree with them. Thanks! Jason Boardman boarjas@elof.iit.edu From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Jul 9 04:21:50 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA29212; Thu, 9 Jul 92 04:19:29 -0700 Received: from freia.inf.tu-dresden.de by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA29205; Thu, 9 Jul 92 04:19:10 -0700 Message-Id: <9207091119.AA29205@presto.ig.com> Received: by freia.inf.tu-dresden.de (15.11/15.6) id AA17591; Thu, 9 Jul 92 12:52:46 mes From: Matthias Radestock Subject: Re: UK Lion Cobra cover To: jitr (Jump In The River) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 92 12:52:43 MESZ Mailer: Elm [revision: 64.9] Status: OR The German cover shows Sinead screaming too. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Jul 9 08:59:36 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA04654; Thu, 9 Jul 92 08:56:30 -0700 Received: from rcnvms.rcn.mass.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA04645; Thu, 9 Jul 92 08:56:26 -0700 Received: from RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU by RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU (PMDF #12408) id <01GM69T9UY74DU6UZ4@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>; Thu, 9 Jul 1992 11:58 EST Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1992 11:58 EST From: AMIDURA@rcnvms.rcn.mass.edu Subject: RE:Sinead on Nightmare To: jitr Message-Id: <01GM69T9UY74DU6UZ4@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU> X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" Status: OR Jason asked what soundtrack Sinead was on.... well, just so happens that I was looking for it a couple of weeks ago... anyway by process of elimination I believe it's #3. You see, the record store had every other soundtrack except this one. For those of you who have never heard the remix... get it... it's great. A friend of mine had the 12" single and it got stolen :-(.... So, i'm trying to locate another copy for her..... if anyone has any idea where i could get one, please e-mail me.... thanx ana amidura@ecn.mass.edu From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Jul 9 17:40:26 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA29212; Thu, 9 Jul 92 04:19:29 -0700 Received: from freia.inf.tu-dresden.de by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA29205; Thu, 9 Jul 92 04:19:10 -0700 Message-Id: <9207091119.AA29205@presto.ig.com> Received: by freia.inf.tu-dresden.de (15.11/15.6) id AA17591; Thu, 9 Jul 92 12:52:46 mes From: Matthias Radestock Subject: Re: UK Lion Cobra cover To: jitr (Jump In The River) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 92 12:52:43 MESZ Mailer: Elm [revision: 64.9] Status: OR The German cover shows Sinead screaming too. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Jul 9 23:40:47 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA28694; Thu, 9 Jul 92 23:39:41 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA28626; Thu, 9 Jul 92 23:34:55 -0700 Message-Id: <9207100634.AA28626@presto.ig.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 92 23:34:53 -0800 From: mcb@presto.ig.com (Michael C. Berch) Subject: Re: Irish Ways lyrics To: jitr X-Orig-Date: Wed, 8 Jul 92 23:56:00 GMT-0500 X-Orig-From: boarjas@elof.iit.edu (Jason Boardman) X-Orig-Message-Id: <9207090456.AA16871@ elof.iit.edu > Status: OR Jason Boardman writes: > I have mailed the lyrics to Irish Ways and Irish Laws > to the moderator, so they should be available for > FTP'ing soon. Please let me know if you agree with > them. Thanks! They are archived as jitr/irish-ways.lyrics on turbo.bio.net. -- Michael C. Berch Jump-In-The-River Moderator jitr-request@presto.ig.com From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Jul 9 23:50:00 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA28794; Thu, 9 Jul 92 23:49:51 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA28785; Thu, 9 Jul 92 23:47:34 -0700 Message-Id: <9207100647.AA28785@presto.ig.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 92 23:47:30 -0800 From: mcb@presto.ig.com (Michael C. Berch) Subject: UK album cover of THE LION & THE COBRA now in archive To: jitr Status: OR Jason Boardman has contributed an image file of the album cover of the UK edition of THE LION AND THE COBRA. He mentions that it is a somewhat poor scan, being from a photocopy. It is a TIFF file, which I do not have much direct experience with, and if I can convert it to GIF or JPEG I'll add those files to the archive. Much thanks to Jason. The file is archived as jitr/uk-lion-cobra.tiff.uu on turbo.bio.net. -- Michael C. Berch Jump-In-The-River Moderator jitr-request@presto.ig.com From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Jul 10 23:03:14 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA29879; Fri, 10 Jul 92 23:01:55 -0700 Received: from iitmax.iit.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA29875; Fri, 10 Jul 92 23:01:52 -0700 Received: from elof.iit.edu by iitmax.iit.edu with SMTP id AA13023 (5.64+/IDA/NIU-1.3.1 for jitr@presto.ig.com); Sat, 11 Jul 92 01:01:54 -0600 Received: by elof.iit.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-1.0) id AA07047; Sat, 11 Jul 92 01:01:44 GMT-0500 Date: Sat, 11 Jul 92 01:01:44 GMT-0500 From: boarjas@elof.iit.edu (Jason Boardman) Message-Id: <9207110601.AA07047@ elof.iit.edu > To: jitr Subject: greatest acquisition! Status: OR I finally found it!! I finally found it!!!! I won't sleep for weeks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I now own the 12" to Troy with the ever elusive "Still Listening" on the B-Side!!!!! It is quite a good song, and (IMHO) should have been included on the Lion and the Cobra. Jason Boardman boarjas@elof.iit.edu From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Jul 15 11:58:47 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA10632; Wed, 15 Jul 92 11:55:13 -0700 Received: from bunny.gte.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA10624; Wed, 15 Jul 92 11:55:08 -0700 Received: by bunny.gte.com (5.61/GTEL2.19) id AA01957; Wed, 15 Jul 92 14:54:47 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 92 14:54:47 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Message-Id: <9207151854.AA01957@bunny.gte.com> To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu, jitr, love-hounds@eddie.mit.edu, rtd@gte.com Subject: KaTemas Status: OR >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>it is this that brings us together<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< this is a reminder about the 1992 Northeast North American KaTemas Party to be held in cambridge (next to boston), massachusetts, u.s. of a. on the weekend of August 1, as part of the international celebration of Kate Bush's birthday (July 30, 1958) (see the end of this post for full details) your hosts will be greg (who will refuse once again to reveal the source of the magic word "footah!" ;) and jessica, the Ecto goddess herself! last year, parties were held across the u.s.a., the uk, finland, australia, etc... i hosted the Boston-area party, and had guests from new jersey, new york, canada, etc. this year, i have already had RSVPs from people in from canada to georgia, and from new jersey to california -- so don't let the distance deter you! ;) i am crossposting this message to many music lists because we are really celebrating the whole range of alternative music, particularly that produced by women. feel free to invite your friends -- everyone and anyone who can cope with hours of good, interesting music, unabashed fandom, and amazing people is welcome! planned activities include: * live music (featuring your hosts (jessica on vox!) and a cast of thousands.. well, maybe 4 or 5, anyway ;) * official videos from KaTe, Sinead, Tori, Enya, the Sugarcubes, etc. etc. etc. * non-official vidoes ;) from KaTe and others... * musical rarities (including some real treasures!) * photos, posters, magazines, buttons, and generally rare and nifty stuff from KaTe, Happy Rhodes, et al... * lots of CDs (LOTS of CDs ;) by alternative female musicians (and extra CD players/cassette decks with headphones... :) * huge quantities of homemade pizza (if you were there last year, fear not! i'll make it all in advance this time :) * amazing anecdotes and stunning stories of fame and fandom!! * lots of way cool people you've never met in person before (and this was by far the best part of last years party :) * contests and prizes!!! * phone calls and net access to the other parties spread across the world... special guests include |>oug Alan, founder of LoveHounds/r.m.gaffa, and Ron Hill (all the way from CA!) -- renowned for his expertise in things KaTely, and for his stamina in typing in interviews ;) limited lodging is available (and i am sure we can find more volunteers to put people up) -- the party is officially saturday. but friday night we'll be having a blast setting up, and sunday we will go sightseeing in cambridge and boston (and stop by some of the best CD and bookstores in the northeast!!) side trips include possibly seeing the local/soon-to-be-national- and-truly-great group Tribe on wednesday the 29th, and taking a day trip to Maine to visit the site of Organon, as commemorated in KaTe's song "Cloudbusting". last years party literally changed my life, and this one should be far better!!!! details: >>> KaTemas <<< saturday, august 1, 1992 12noon - 12midnight the celebration will begin with setting up friday night and go through sunday; please let me know if you plan on arriving and helping friday, so i know how many people to expect :) the Lowell House Master's Residence 50 Holyoke St. cambridge, massachusetts right in Harvard Square for you local types. near boston, for you distant type ;) the party will be in a 32 room mansion in one of the major tourist and alternative lifestyle centers of the boston... it also happens to be my parent's house, so some dignity is requested... but not much ;) the house is accessible by public transportation, including from the Amtrack and bus stations. rides will be available with advance notice. full driving/transportation directions will be coming soon, or contact me for particular details! RSVPs, requests for lodging, questions, or just friendly messages to: greg bossert (617) 547-1780 (leave a message!) footah@world.std.com OR gb10@gte.com footah! -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "a woman drew her long black hair out tight and fiddled whisper music on those strings and bats with baby faces in the violet light whistled, and beat their wings" -- T.S. Eliot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>it is this that brings us together<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Jul 16 03:08:29 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA05326; Thu, 16 Jul 92 03:02:28 -0700 Received: from freia.inf.tu-dresden.de by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA05317; Thu, 16 Jul 92 03:02:11 -0700 Message-Id: <9207161002.AA05317@presto.ig.com> Received: by freia.inf.tu-dresden.de (15.11/15.6) id AA02090; Thu, 16 Jul 92 11:11:00 mes From: Matthias Radestock Subject: Spoken Words To: jitr (Jump In The River) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 92 11:10:58 MESZ Mailer: Elm [revision: 64.9] Status: OR What are the words that Sinead speaks at the beginning of "Feel So Different?" It's a kind of a prayer, isn't it? The overall meaning is quite clear to me but I don't understand the words exactly. -- ********************************************************************** * Matthias Radestock E-mail: rade@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de * * Striesener Str. 36b Tel. : +37 351 4592474 * * 8019 Dresden * * GERMANY * ********************************************************************** From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Jul 16 05:21:55 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA08592; Thu, 16 Jul 92 05:21:24 -0700 Received: from acc.fau.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA08585; Thu, 16 Jul 92 05:21:18 -0700 Received: from psymail.sci.fau.edu by ACC.FAU.EDU (PMDF #12250) id <01GMFUA4G8508WWGNA@ACC.FAU.EDU>; Thu, 16 Jul 1992 08:21 EST Received: From INTERZONE/WORKQUEUE by psymail.sci.fau.edu via Charon 3.4 with IPX id 100.920716081953.608; 16 Jul 92 08:19:58 -0400 Date: 16 Jul 92 08:00:00 EDT From: ERICKA@socpsy.sci.fau.edu Subject: Re:Spoken Words To: jitr Reply-To: Ericka@socpsy.sci.fau.edu Message-Id: X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v2.3 (R2). Status: OR The words Sinead speaks at the beginning of "Feels So Different" are: God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change Courage to change the things I can And the wisdom to know the difference It's not exactly a prayer, but a platitude which is a bit overused here in the states. It can easily be found on samplers, stained glass windows, ties, toaster covers, etc. in nearly every house in America. Still, I think it has a beautiful simple philosophy to it that even overcomes its being turned into a cliche by the overuse of it. :) Ericka "The dead are trying to reach us! And they mean BUSINESS!" -Linda Barry From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Jul 16 05:56:51 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA09579; Thu, 16 Jul 92 05:56:32 -0700 Received: from horn.kpc.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA09574; Thu, 16 Jul 92 05:56:29 -0700 Received: by horn.kpc.com (5.65/fma-120691); id AA18781; Thu, 16 Jul 92 05:57:46 -0700 Received: from pine by kpc.com (5.65/SMI-4.1) id AA01139; Thu, 16 Jul 92 05:59:47 -0700 Received: from phi by mailbox.kpc.com (4.1/kpc-920618) id AA10808; Thu, 16 Jul 92 05:56:22 PDT From: dow@kpc.com (Christopher Dow) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 92 05:56:21 -0700 Message-Id: <9207161256.AA06094@phi.kpc.com> To: jitr Subject: Re: Spoken Words Cc: Status: OR Matthias Radestock asks, >What are the words that Sinead speaks at the beginning of "Feel So Different?" >It's a kind of a prayer, isn't it? The overall meaning is quite clear to me but >I don't understand the words exactly. The words are the Serenity Prayer, which (my memory is somewhat vague, here) is attributed to a 12th century monk. They are (this is not vague): God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. This prayer is almost always used to begin meetings of Alcohaulics Anonymous and its spinoffs. Also the atheist/philosopher Ayn Rand mentioned it as being the right idea, if the mysticism is removed. I'm not certain that Sinead actually says the God part, and don't have IDNWIHNG here to check it. Chris Chris From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Jul 16 06:53:06 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA11156; Thu, 16 Jul 92 06:52:42 -0700 Received: from zcias1.ziff.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA11151; Thu, 16 Jul 92 06:52:37 -0700 Received: from DN-ARNOR by zcias1.ziff.com (PMDF #12531) id <01GMFXD2CC5S0033MB@zcias1.ziff.com>; Thu, 16 Jul 1992 09:49 EST Received: from arnor.zis.ziff.com by arnor.zis.ziff.com (PMDF #12531) id <01GMFXBPYV9CK5FIQX@arnor.zis.ziff.com>; Thu, 16 Jul 1992 09:48 EST Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1992 09:48 EST From: Sam Warren Subject: Spoken Words To: jitr Message-Id: <01GMFXBPYV9CK5FIQX@arnor.zis.ziff.com> X-Envelope-To: jitr@presto.ig.com X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" X-Vms-Cc: I_SW Status: OR I'd like to add to Ericka's message about the "prayer" spoken at the beginning of "Feel So Different". I agree that it has a beautiful simple philosophy, and that it's becoming overused. I'd like to point out that it originated in the Alcoholics Anonymous twelve-step program. Just a little tidbit I thought might interest you. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Jul 16 10:28:40 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA18528; Thu, 16 Jul 92 10:27:47 -0700 Received: from nettlerash.Berkeley.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA18520; Thu, 16 Jul 92 10:27:43 -0700 Received: from remarque.Berkeley.EDU by nettlerash.berkeley.edu (5.64.1/1.34.6) id AA17692; Thu, 16 Jul 92 09:10:11 -0700 Received: by remarque.berkeley.edu.berkeley.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18617; Thu, 16 Jul 92 09:10:44 PDT Message-Id: <9207161610.AA18617@remarque.berkeley.edu.berkeley.edu> To: jitr Reply-To: jitr@presto.ig.com Subject: Re: Spoken Words In-Reply-To: Sam Warren's message of "Thu, 16 Jul 92 09:48:00 EST." <01GMFXBPYV9CK5FIQX@arnor.zis.ziff.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 92 09:10:41 -0700 From: Jym Dyer Status: OR > I'd like to point out that it originated in the Alcoholics > Anonymous twelve-step program. =\= Yes, and once you know that, the meaning on the song's lyrics change somewhat. =\= BTW, the AA folks have officially dubbed it "The Serenity Prayer." If it seems overused, it's probably because there are *lots* of people in AA . . . <_Jym_> From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Jul 16 10:35:56 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA18793; Thu, 16 Jul 92 10:35:18 -0700 Received: from rcnvms.rcn.mass.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA18787; Thu, 16 Jul 92 10:35:15 -0700 Received: from RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU by RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU (PMDF #12408) id <01GMG5BN7LFKDU7CMK@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>; Thu, 16 Jul 1992 13:37 EST Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1992 13:37 EST From: AMIDURA@rcnvms.rcn.mass.edu Subject: RE:Spoken Words To: jitr Message-Id: <01GMG5BN7LFKDU7CMK@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU> X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" Status: OR >What are the words that Sinead speaks at the beginning of "Feel So Different?" >It's a kind of a prayer, isn't it? The overall meaning is quite clear to me but >I don't understand the words exactly. From the top of my head: God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change The courage to change the things I can And the wisdom to know the difference. And yes, It is a prayer. I beleive it's call the Serenity prayer. The origins of it I do not know. (ie what religion) The first time I heard it was on "Feel So Different" but later found that it is also used as a means "to get through one more day" by members of NA (Narcotics Anonymous) as well as popping up here and there. Hope this helped... -ana From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Jul 16 14:22:04 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA26936; Thu, 16 Jul 92 14:21:06 -0700 Received: from maurolycus.rutgers.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA26931; Thu, 16 Jul 92 14:21:01 -0700 Received: by maurolycus.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA16276; Thu, 16 Jul 92 17:20:43 EDT Date: Thu, 16 Jul 92 17:20:41 EDT From: jessica To: jitr Subject: god grant me the courage.. Message-Id: Status: OR I'm pretty certain that Chris is correct in that the words were not created by someone at AA, but long long ago by a monk or something. It *is* used at AA - spoken at every single meeting. jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Jul 16 14:27:12 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA27169; Thu, 16 Jul 92 14:26:33 -0700 Received: from turbo.bio.net by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA27164; Thu, 16 Jul 92 14:26:31 -0700 Received: by turbo.bio.net (5.65/IG-2.0) with SMTP id AA14901; Thu, 16 Jul 92 14:26:29 -0700 Message-Id: <9207162126.AA14901@turbo.bio.net> To: jitr Subject: Re: god grant me the courage.. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 16 Jul 92 17:20:41 EDT." Date: Thu, 16 Jul 92 14:26:28 -0700 From: "Kenton A. Hoover" Status: OR Its called the 'Serenity Prayer' and it was written Reinhold Neibuhr just before the Second World War. The short form is what most people know, but there is a longer form. I have a complete history, if someone wants to hear it. | Kenton A. Hoover | | | BIOSCI Network Administrator (bionet newsgroups) | shibumi@presto.ig.com | | GenBank/IntelliGenetics, Inc. 415 962 7300 | shibumi@genbank.bio.net | |=============================================================================| | Just don't hurt nobody, 'less of course they ask you... | From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Jul 17 05:03:40 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA17303; Fri, 17 Jul 92 05:02:23 -0700 Received: from freia.inf.tu-dresden.de by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA17295; Fri, 17 Jul 92 05:02:04 -0700 Message-Id: <9207171202.AA17295@presto.ig.com> Received: by freia.inf.tu-dresden.de (15.11/15.6) id AA12290; Fri, 17 Jul 92 13:50:35 mes From: Matthias Radestock Subject: Re: Spoken Words To: jitr (Jump In The River) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 92 13:50:33 MESZ Mailer: Elm [revision: 64.9] Status: OR First of all, I'd like to thank all of you, who responded to my question, BUT it seems to me that nobody actually listened to what she says: God grant me The serenity to accept the things WE cannot change, Courage to change the things I can, ~~~~~~~~~sorry, but I hear something different And the wisdom to know the difference. Maybe, what you've posted is the "official version", but I don't think it is exactly what Sinead says. -- ********************************************************************** * Matthias Radestock E-mail: rade@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de * * Striesener Str. 36b Tel. : +37 351 4592474 * * 8019 Dresden * * GERMANY * ********************************************************************** From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Jul 17 05:09:49 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA17477; Fri, 17 Jul 92 05:09:18 -0700 Received: from uther.calvin.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA17472; Fri, 17 Jul 92 05:09:09 -0700 Received: by uther.Calvin.EDU (4.1/1.35) id AA13037; Fri, 17 Jul 92 08:09:08 EDT From: debruiti@uther.calvin.edu (Tim De Bruine) Message-Id: <9207171209.AA13037@uther.Calvin.EDU> Subject: Re: Spoken Words To: jitr Date: Fri, 17 Jul 92 8:09:07 EDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Status: OR I believe that the origin of the much discussed "prayer" is St. Augustine. To the best of my knowledge, he was not affiliated with AA, but did have a working relationship with God. -- _______________________________________________________________________________ Tim De Bruine debruiti@uther.calvin.edu _______________________________________________________________________________ From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Jul 17 05:39:35 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA18142; Fri, 17 Jul 92 05:39:12 -0700 Received: from hyperion.haystack.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA18138; Fri, 17 Jul 92 05:39:09 -0700 Received: by hyperion.haystack.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10637; Fri, 17 Jul 92 08:39:04 EDT Date: Fri, 17 Jul 92 08:39:04 EDT From: cmn@hyperion.haystack.edu (Cristopher Niell) Message-Id: <9207171239.AA10637@hyperion.haystack.edu> To: jitr Subject: "Never get old" spoken words Status: OR Hi !! I figured as long as we're on the subject of spoken words, we might as well move on to a harder question. What is being said at the beginning of "Never Gets Old"? I assume it's Sinead speaking, and I assume its in Gaelic. But does anyone ou there know what it is? I guess it's pretty hard to find someone around here who speaks Gaelic, but maybe somebody out there knows someone ... Cris From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Jul 17 06:29:32 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA19339; Fri, 17 Jul 92 06:28:54 -0700 Received: from ben.uknet.ac.uk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA19334; Fri, 17 Jul 92 06:28:50 -0700 Message-Id: <9207171328.AA19334@presto.ig.com> Received: from eros.uknet.ac.uk by ben.uknet.ac.uk via UKIP with SMTP (PP) id ; Fri, 17 Jul 1992 13:52:56 +0100 Received: from localhost.uknet.ac.uk by eros.uknet.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <9039-0@eros.uknet.ac.uk>; Fri, 17 Jul 1992 13:53:21 +0100 To: jitr Subject: Re: "Never get old" spoken words In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 17 Jul 92 08:39:04 EDT." <9207171239.AA10637@hyperion.haystack.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 92 13:53:19 +0100 From: Tim.Goodwin@uknet.ac.uk Status: OR > I figured as long as we're on the subject of spoken words, >we might as well move on to a harder question. What is being >said at the beginning of "Never Gets Old"? I assume it's >Sinead speaking... Nope, it's Enya. Tim. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Jul 17 09:23:31 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA24371; Fri, 17 Jul 92 09:22:37 -0700 Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA24365; Fri, 17 Jul 92 09:22:29 -0700 Received: from CARMEL.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA01764; Fri, 17 Jul 92 12:22:24 EDT Received: by carmel (5.57/4.7) id AA25085; Fri, 17 Jul 92 12:22:21 -0400 Message-Id: <9207171622.AA25085@carmel> To: jitr Subject: Just call me joe Date: Fri, 17 Jul 92 12:22:19 EDT From: ------ Status: OR Hi, Has *anubody* figured out the lyrics? These are the assorted bits and pieces I can understand: ------------------------------------------------------- they came here across the great divide into the cities that eyes They couldn't touch us as we go by I've seen the trouble spot I see you later we talk for sure the friends that you got Oh no [Refrain] I said Don't call me sir, oh just call me joe Don't call me lady, just call me joe Don't call me mister, just call joe Don't call me sweetheart, just call me joe You have the best clothes that I've ever seen poetry and it's the best thing there's ever been beast that's how it is and that's how it ain't a tour of the city never hide my name [Refrain] I said Don't call me sir, oh just call me joe Don't call me lady, just call me joe Don't call me mister, just call joe Don't call me sweetheart, just call me joe visions terrible thoughts to you it means it's not this weekend and i'll give you new information i had this long dream, technology there's this place ... that none knows light is the shadow of the fierce all the eletrical systems fall through traffic lights they are as clear as a cut crystal as quick as a crystal ship weapons, tanks, lasers, and aircraft move across the sky missiles and nuclear weapons spy cameras and infrared sensors you can hear the fun of that augment the postitive thinking start to say augment development practices such as human rights violations yeah, promote space integration, if you know what I mean, intensify all communication, listen to what I am not saying over and over it feels as if sound's travelling way down you --------------------------------------------------- Hope someone with the CD can make good use of these bits, and clarify the lyrics. I (shame) own the tape... Angelos From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Jul 17 11:46:26 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA29614; Fri, 17 Jul 92 11:45:28 -0700 Received: from rcnvms.rcn.mass.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA29609; Fri, 17 Jul 92 11:45:23 -0700 Received: from RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU by RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU (PMDF #12408) id <01GMHM2YV4DSDU7FE2@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>; Fri, 17 Jul 1992 14:47 EST Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1992 14:47 EST From: AMIDURA@rcnvms.rcn.mass.edu Subject: Re: Just call me joe To: jitr Message-Id: <01GMHM2YV4DSDU7FE2@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU> X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" Status: OR Is that what she says? I have to admit this is my least favorite song. As a matter of fact, when it comes to this part of the tape, I usually flip it over. (see angelos, there are other poor souls that buy tapes) and RE: Never get old..... Enya? Really? Boy, you learn something new everyday..... -ana From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Jul 17 12:10:41 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA00559; Fri, 17 Jul 92 12:10:11 -0700 Received: from iitmax.iit.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA00552; Fri, 17 Jul 92 12:10:08 -0700 Received: from elof.iit.edu by iitmax.iit.edu with SMTP id AA14486 (5.64+/IDA/NIU-1.3.1 for jitr@presto.ig.com); Fri, 17 Jul 92 14:09:58 -0600 Received: by elof.iit.edu.iit.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-1.0) id AA04630; Fri, 17 Jul 92 14:10:01 GMT-0500 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 92 14:10:01 GMT-0500 From: boarjas@elof.iit.edu (Jason Boardman) Message-Id: <9207171910.AA04630@ elof.iit.edu.iit.edu > Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.63) To: jitr Subject: Gaelic lyrics Status: OR Yes, it is Enya who speaks the Gaelic and I have the translation somewhere. I will post it today if I find it. I beleive it is a prayer. Jason boarjas@elof.iit.edu From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sat Jul 18 01:42:51 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA22293; Sat, 18 Jul 92 01:42:22 -0700 Received: from freia.inf.tu-dresden.de by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA22285; Sat, 18 Jul 92 01:41:54 -0700 Message-Id: <9207180841.AA22285@presto.ig.com> Received: by freia.inf.tu-dresden.de (15.11/15.6) id AA15981; Sat, 18 Jul 92 10:41:36 mes From: Matthias Radestock Subject: Re: "Never get old" spoken words To: jitr (Jump In The River) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 92 10:41:35 MESZ Mailer: Elm [revision: 64.9] Status: OR I think , the spoken words to "Never get old" are printed on the cover, aren't they? I think there are both, the Gaelic original and the English translation. Enya once said, that she had been asked by Sinead to read a verse from the Bible and I guess it is that one. For those who are interested I have included the Enya interview (with some interesting opinions about Sinead): Enya receives more, and longer, coverage in the Irish music paper "Hot Press" than in any other forum that I know of. The issue dated December 1st 1988 carried a feature article on the Enya phenomenon as it stood after the success of the "Orinoco Flow" single and the "Watermark" album. (Reproduced without permission) --- Growing With The Flow ===================== -=- >From a darkened studio in Artane to the bright lights of Top Of The Pops and beyond that "Orinoco Flow" has taken Enya and all who sail with her on an unprecedented voyage of discovery. Niall Stokes joins the key figures as the flow swells into a torrent of success and is pleased to report that nobody on baord is in danger of losing their bearings. -=- _SMAOITI'M_... a frail and beautiful figure launching on a voyage of dreams under the curious eye of the television cameras. Who _would_ have imagined that such a fairy tale was about to unfold, when Enya last appeared on the _Late Late Show_, just eight short weeks ago? The album "Watermark" had been released earlier in the week and this was a key promotional appearance, one of the central showcase slots targeted by the WEA marketing team to gain immediate profile for an artist who wouldn't be going on the road to 'work' the record. But with the single "Orinoco Flow" two weeks shy of release, it was the stunning "Evening Falls" that was unveiled before a fascinated million-or-so viewers, all over Ireland. That business done, according to established Late Show practice, we couldn't expect to see Enya line up alongside Gay Byrne again until the next album was being plugged - even if it took five years in the making. But subsequent events have rendered those kind of normal assumptions entirely redundant. "When it went into the charts the first week, WEA rang us up and said 'Congratulations, you've done so many thousand copies'," Enya's producer and collaborator Nicky Ryan told me, the week "Orinoco Flow" reached No. 5 in the UK. "And we said yeah that sounds great - but what does it mean? We still don't know!" By now it means something like this. In Britain alone, "Orinoco Flow" - having spent three weeks in the No. 1 spot - has gone silver, selling in excess of 300,000 copies, a staggering figure for a major-league debut at a time when singles sales in general have plummetted hugely. Impressively however, "Watermark" is only marginally behind volume- wise, having also topped the 300,000 mark, to earn the album platinum status in the UK. The single meanwhile has climbed to No. 6 in Holland, and is still rising. Germany and Norway are also conspicuously going with the flow and the general buzz is such that a Pan-European hit seems on, rather than merely in, the cards. In the States, crucially, Geffen Records have taken the plunge enthusiastically, lining up "Orinoco Flow" for an end-of-November rush- release. "Watermark" will follow in January, with the full weight of one of America's most energetic and successful operations behind it. "The frontline promotions and radio people there are knocked out by it," WEA's Irish MD Phil Murphy reveals. Back at home base, the figures may read less like telephone numbers but the implications are no less compelling. "Orinoco Flow" has held steady at No. 1 in the singles charts for a solid four weeks. But it was the ascension of "Watermark" to platinum figures here, signalling sales in excess of 20,000, which was the immediate hook for Enya's swift return to the _Late Late Show_. This time around, she could let the Orinoco Flow... In fact the album has sold 25,000 copies and is steaming ahead, with the next landmark figure of 40,000 seeming well within its compass. "We just want to keep Enya's profile up," Murphy adds, "and it'll sell right through to Christmas. I've told her that when it goes double- platinum, we'll do the presentation in her father's bar up in Gweedore." With one stipulation, I suggest: natives aside, everyone has to sail around the coast to Donegal to attend the celebrations. Get your oilskins ready. _Sail away, sail away, sail away..._ _Smaoiti'm_... my first encounter with "Watermark", in a darkened studio in Artane. The master hasn't been sequenced and Nicky Ryan is screwing around with a digital thingamejig to get the tracks in order as he plays them, laughing and cursing to beat the band as technology lets him down, a human dimension that adds to rather than detracting from the cerebral experience. We're six tracks into a musical journey that seems to turn sombre, nocturnal and glacial before I hear the sweet plucking of strings and an acoustic piano welling underneath. The mood is dramatic, upbeat, pop: _"Let me sail, Let me sail, Let the Orinoco flow,"_ a hundred voices seem to sing Roma Ryan's prophetic words of optimism, _"Let me reach, Let me beach, On the shores of Tripoli, Let me sail, Let me sail, Let me crash up on your shore, Let me reach, Let me beach, Far beyond the Yellow Sea."_ It's got to be the single. Nicky Ryan nods. Later, on reflection, I'm not sure that I hear another one on "Watermark" which might just present problems if and when the question of following "Orinoco Flow" arises. It's an issue about which at this stage everyone in the Enya camp has reflected long and hard. Over at WEA too. In a sense the vaulting success of the first single has caught everyone off guard. The response, thankfully, is to hold firm and let things travel at their proper speed. When it's taken six years to get this far, you don't go blowing things on an impulse decision. "The record sounded fabulous the first time," Phil Murphy says, "And the more you heard it, the more in love with it you fall. Despite having that kind of belief, we were all very pleasantly surprised at the _speed_ at which it took off. But we're not going to rush into a follow-up just to try and exploit the immediate excitement." There was talk of a possible Christmas single, a new track which would provide a seasonal bonus for Enya's recently-won legion of converts, but that tentative plan has been shelved; the pressure to come up with the real goods would be too intense in the context of the promotional whirlwind that's still swirling around the diminutive composer, even as you read, and which will indeed take her _far beyond the Yellow Sea..._ "We've decided, whatever we do next let's get it right," Phil Murphy asserts, "Let's get the single right, let's get the video right. It's not a Bimbo act - it's a quality act so we'll give it all the time and attention it needs and deserves." It's reassuring to know that the record company are also aware that with Enya this question of pace is everything. _Smaoiti'm_... flights of optimism and fancy sitting around a quiet suburban living room with Roma, Enya and Nicky. Before the album was released, before "Orinoco Flow" became part of the river, the kind of ifs were in the air that you're fearful of putting in print, and invoking the curse of Balor of the evil eye... Enya collaborated with Sinead O'Connor on "Never Grow Old", the final track on "The Lion And The Cobra". As the frontline representative of a new breed of Irish women performers who are at the core of the creative action, does Sinead offer any touchstones for Enya? Rivettingly beautiful eyes aside, does she have anything in common with her collaborator? "There's nothing whatsoever in common," Enya says, "except that I performed on her album with her - which we were very happy to do. But outside of that, there's nothing. I'd spoken to her very briefly and she'd said what extract from the Bible she wanted read. It was very convenient just to record it in the studio here and to send it over, so it was only after her album was finished that we met Sinead." In fact, in some ways, more of a contrast in styles would be hard to find. Where Sinead is talkative, upfront and capable of launching into an ocean of expletives if the occasion arises, Enya is quiet, reserved and steers well clear of what she considers vulgar. "Using words like that where they don't need to be used I find I just can't relate to," she says simply. My own instinct would generally be to compete with Shakespeare in my use and abuse of the vernacular. It's got something to do with suggesting the full Rabelaisian dimensions of reality as I've known it. Enya demurs. "If there's no need to mention it, why use it, y'know? If it's part of the conversation, fine." It's an inclination she shares with Roma, who takes a humorous attitude to the discussion. "I'm slightly more reserved too, though I'm well used to hearing it," she says looking at Nicky, a man capable of the most wonderfully colourful foul-mouthedness, and laughing. "It depends on who I'm with and what mood I'm in really. But it's personal - for me it's just the influence of my mother, I think. It's not that we're prudish or anything. I certainly don't think of myself as a prude." The discussion is not merely semantic, however. Because it's a distinction with important ramifications in terms of Enya's approach to her career. Sinead's too, Nicky argues. "Because she's so upfront as a performer and as a very aggressive woman," he reflects, "and doesn't make any bones about wanting to be seen that way, the pressure on her to produce a hit would seem to be much more intense. Sinead has _had_ a hit, and I hope not but I _fear_ that that might be the level she'll be judged on, as an artist, for the rest of her career. "Because that's the way it can work. _We've had a hit, now we have to have another one or we're fucked, so get out there and do it._ So no matter what, even if Enya had a hit from this album, I would not _allow_ anyone to say we have got to follow it up immediately. My answer would be like this: Ok, we had a hit, that's great. Let's get on with it. Enya's got a lot more to offer than just looking for hit singles." To some extent it's a question of protecting yourself against misinterpretation. Where something precious is at stake, like talent on a potentially world-spanning scale, one philosophy comes down to the immortal words "Let's be careful out there..." "Once you step out and say 'fuck off world, fuck off music world, I know what to do blah, blah', I think it becomes even more difficult," Nicky adds. "You have to follow that aggression with even more aggression and you become much more exposed. I'm not saying Sinead is putting it on but she'll be expected to be aggressive from now on or she'll be nobody - or that's the danger. Whereas with Enya it would be the complete opposite. It's very soft, gentle stuff. You couldn't call anything on the album hard or aggressive - and I think it's intrinsic to the _nature_ of the music that it is like that." Enya changes the direction of the conversation slightly. "We don't try to push things in any way commercially. If it happens that it's commercial it's just by accident. It's not commercial in a Top Of The Pops sense, I think, whereas that's the direction everyone else is being pushed in. If it happens it happens but we think 'we gotta have a hit, we gotta get into the charts'. That's not a concern of ours." So are there any fellow spirits out there? "All I can say," Enya responds, "is that while I don't listen to music, there's bits in there of everything I've heard. I can see the influence in part, of traditional, of classical, of 50's hits, of 60's hits. But there's no-one I can say I was influenced by because I _don't_ listen to music." "I have deep down worries about that aspect," Nicky says to Enya. "The only way I'd like to see things changing is by the same natural progression by which everything else was handled and not due to any outside pressure, whether it's success or anything else. I think it's the most important thread to keep together: always come back to basics and recognise that the bottom line is that you write beautiful melodies and keep the music innocent." It's a word you don't encounter very often in the context of pop music or rock'n'roll. "Keep it as innocent as possible," Nicky repeats, "away from all that external influence of money and all the other rubbish that can affect it. I've seen so many artists go baw-ways over either money or fame or whatever - they start out amazingly well and then they become non- productive because of money, because of laziness and self-indulgence. Not being able to keep tabs on it and say: 'Right, I have to get out of here now and get some music done'. If you can't do that, it's the end of the trip. The music's gone." To some extent, it comes down to commitment and over the past six years, from the leanest winters after the split with Clannad, through the thaw of "The Frog Prince" and the promise of spring in "The Celts", to the watershed of "Watermark", that's something Enya, Nicky and Roma have never lacked for. "That I would love to be able to keep and hold onto," Nicky adds, "even if there was loads of money to be made and all that (laughs). I'd still like to be able to get back to the roots of the thing and say 'Ok. Let's forget about everything else and make a new album, Enya'. Because what we have is something special. I think there's really great things to come when you consider what it's grown from." "It's going to be really startling," Enya smiles confidently, her eyes lighting. Come in Balor, your time is up. _Smaoiti'm_... the first time I heard the name Enya. Nicky was on the phone announcing the new addition to the Clannad line-up, full of enthusiasm and hope. Those dreams crumbled and with them one kind of innocence: Enya looked even more wide-eyed and vulnerable in those days. The Ryans' retreat into their Artane home followed, Nicky putting Aigle Studios together with a mixing desk he'd intended to bring on the road with Clannad. Enya joined them in seclusion, working together on developing the deeds of greatness, seldom venturing into the glare of the bright lights. There is something about the Enya ethos that seems to belong to another world, another era. Does she ever feel out of time? "We think of the music as timeless," she replies, "it's neither old or modern or futuristic. It's not set in any era." "But we are slightly detached," Roma interjects. And the music has a measured, contemplative feel that's almost Victorian in its sense of _space_. Enya and attack have been sacrificed on the altar of grace and beauty. Behind it all you can sense the appeal of quietude. "Sitting in silence - I just love it," Enya comments. "This is one of the rooms I just like to sit in. It's quiet, so you can sit and think. Or just do nothing. It's lovely - although it can be embarrassing if someone walks in and finds you sitting in silence and _staring_ (laughs)." But that kind of solitude is essential to the creative process for someone who is shy and reserved by instinct. "Going way back, when we asked her to put some music together, she wouldn't even play the piano in front of me," Nicky recalls, "there was no way that I could get into the studio and have her play at the same time. If she heard a footstep outside, she'd stop playing the piano immediately. And that went on for a long time. Then we got to the stage where she had to sing a few notes and _that_ was very tentatively approached - there was no way she was going to _sing_ in front of somebody. Enya doesn't work quickly by nature." The contrast with the brash and instant nature of so much pop music could hardly be more extreme. "It's not all roses," Nicky adds, "when the work gets going a totally different mood sets in. You have to strike the right balance between getting the work _done_ and having a nice vibe going. That's when my back starts getting up and I start arguing. _Jesus Enya, let's get some work done!"_ "I'm always behind," Enya laughs, "so we just have dreadful arguments and scream at each other!" "That's when the magic goes out the window!" Nicky says with exaggerated ruefulness. "I freak out (laughs). I'm not panicking on anyone else's behalf, I just can't wait any longer because I'm dying to get started on something. Enya works on her own out in the studio developing the melodies and I have to wait a long time before I'm involved. So I feel: for Jaysus sake will you get it finished so I can get in there. But then Enya can write a piece in ten minutes that's stunning, that you could imagine took months." It's the end result that counts. How does Enya feel, now that the album is out there, part of the flux and flow of people's everyday lives? "I've heard from so many people," she says, "the different times they want to listen to it, the different influences they see, the different things they read into the music and at this stage it's everyone to their own story. It's out of my hands now. It's theirs. They'll listen to it when they want and conjure up what images they want to see." Which is why the titles are like signposts. They suggest a direction for the listener but it's up to everyone to find their own way, beyond the evocative images and phrases, into the arms of memory. "You played that piece "Smaoiti'm"," Nicky says to Enya, "and the first words that came into my head were 'The Loss of You'. And I said 'Let's call it that'. And then it occurred to me that the song should be in memory of your grandparents. I cannot imagine the melody you wrote being about anything else." "I came in after I'd written it and I spent the rest of the day pretending that nothing happened in the studio and I was really excited about it," Enya recalls. "You know, "Smaoiti'm" is like 'I am remembering'... It's very hard to do a direct translation." _Smaoiti'm_... a small dark figure in a white coat and black gloves signing albums furiously in a packed shell of a record shop in the new Stephen's Green centre last Saturday afternoon, the walls ready to come tumbling down in the excitement. Stepping graciously outside to have her photo taken, the fans still throbbing around, the cameras flashing. Up in the foyer of the Westbury Hotel - and even there the crowds are gathering. A small dark, vulnerable figure. Enya's father Leo has been watching it all. "It's overwhelming," he says, "It's overpowering. There's no words to describe it all." Let's be careful out there... --- End of quoted material --- Not much to add: Artane is a suburb of Dublin. Gay Byrne is both host and producer of _The Late Late Show_ on Irish TV (Radio Telefis Eireann?), which is also shown in the UK on Channel 4 TV. -- ********************************************************************** * Matthias Radestock E-mail: rade@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de * * Striesener Str. 36b Tel. : +37 351 4592474 * * 8019 Dresden * * GERMANY * ********************************************************************** From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sat Jul 18 03:06:23 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA24323; Sat, 18 Jul 92 03:05:32 -0700 Received: from freia.inf.tu-dresden.de by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA24312; Sat, 18 Jul 92 03:05:21 -0700 Message-Id: <9207181005.AA24312@presto.ig.com> Received: by freia.inf.tu-dresden.de (15.11/15.6) id AA16230; Sat, 18 Jul 92 12:05:02 mes From: Matthias Radestock Subject: NEW ALBUM !!!!!!! To: jitr (Jump In The River) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 92 12:05:00 MESZ Mailer: Elm [revision: 64.9] Status: OR This is very good news for all of us (source: a german newspaper): ------start of quoted and translated material------- Sinead O'Connor is currently working in a NY studio on her new album. It will include American Jazz & Blues from the 40s and 50s. The producer is Phil Ramone. From time to time a whole orchestra is playing in the studio during the recording sessions. ------end of quoted material----- Jazz ? Blues ? American (brrrrr)? Sinead! What the hell are you doing ?!!?! Why don't you simply put all that beautiful traditional Irish songs and your own compositions of the last two years together and make an album of it? Well, everything you sing sounds beautiful, but does that mean you should try to sing everything? Oh Sinead, I hope this album will be much better than I expect. BTW, I'm wondering why it's me who got this news and not one of the Americans. So keep your eyes and ears wide open next time! -- ********************************************************************** * Matthias Radestock E-mail: rade@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de * * Striesener Str. 36b Tel. : +37 351 4592474 * * 8019 Dresden * * GERMANY * ********************************************************************** From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sun Jul 19 12:15:36 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA25974; Sun, 19 Jul 92 12:14:11 -0700 Received: from horn.kpc.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA25970; Sun, 19 Jul 92 12:14:09 -0700 Received: by horn.kpc.com (5.65/fma-120691); id AA07417; Sun, 19 Jul 92 12:15:28 -0700 Received: from pine by kpc.com (5.65/SMI-4.1) id AA11829; Sun, 19 Jul 92 12:17:29 -0700 Received: from phi by mailbox.kpc.com (4.1/kpc-920618) id AA18923; Sun, 19 Jul 92 12:14:05 PDT From: dow@kpc.com (Christopher Dow) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 92 12:14:04 -0700 Message-Id: <9207191914.AA08049@phi.kpc.com> To: jitr Subject: Gaelic Cc: Status: OR A friend who speaks Gaelic sent me this after my request for a translation: From: ptuite (Peter Tuite) Subject: Re: Gaelic Date: Fri, 17 Jul 92 10:10:55 PDT To: dow >From memory it is something like God commanded the angels to carry him to heaven in their arms so that he would not strike his foot against a rock and to protect him from the lion and the cobra It's a biblical quote, I forget who it refers to, someone like Jacob. I'll try and translate it exactly over the weekend, I did once but forget it exactly! It's uses some old Gaelic phrases. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sun Jul 19 17:18:07 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA00440; Sun, 19 Jul 92 17:17:40 -0700 Received: from iitmax.iit.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA00436; Sun, 19 Jul 92 17:17:38 -0700 Received: from elof.iit.edu by iitmax.iit.edu with SMTP id AA23359 (5.64+/IDA/NIU-1.3.1 for jitr@presto.ig.com); Sun, 19 Jul 92 19:17:26 -0600 Received: by elof.iit.edu.iit.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-1.0) id AA00995; Sun, 19 Jul 92 19:17:33 GMT-0500 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 92 19:17:33 GMT-0500 From: boarjas@elof.iit.edu (Jason Boardman) Message-Id: <9207200017.AA00995@ elof.iit.edu.iit.edu > To: jitr Subject: Gaelic Translation Status: OR This is the translation that I read in a Sinead Biography: "...for he will command His angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways; they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone. you will tread upon the lion and the cobra; you will trample the great lion and the serpent." This is a Biblical quote. It is Psalm 21, but in my New International Version of the Bible it is written in a more straightforward fasion, but I guess in older versions that is what it said. The Gaelic writing of this Psalm is also found in the sleeve of the album, or inside the booklet of the CD. Jason Boardman boarjas@elof.iit.edu From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Jul 20 01:03:30 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA07768; Mon, 20 Jul 92 01:02:57 -0700 Received: from freia.inf.tu-dresden.de by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA07752; Mon, 20 Jul 92 01:02:40 -0700 Message-Id: <9207200802.AA07752@presto.ig.com> Received: by freia.inf.tu-dresden.de (15.11/15.6) id AA24388; Mon, 20 Jul 92 09:39:31 mes From: Matthias Radestock Subject: Re: Gaelic To: jitr (Jump In The River) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 9:39:29 MESZ Mailer: Elm [revision: 64.9] Status: OR As I said, the english translation is written on the cover of the UK release. I'll transcribe it tomorrow. -- ********************************************************************** * Matthias Radestock E-mail: rade@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de * * Striesener Str. 36b Tel. : +37 351 4592474 * * 8019 Dresden * * GERMANY * ********************************************************************** From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Jul 20 01:04:12 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA07784; Mon, 20 Jul 92 01:03:51 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA07744; Mon, 20 Jul 92 01:01:56 -0700 Message-Id: <9207200801.AA07744@presto.ig.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 01:01:55 -0800 From: mcb@presto.ig.com (Michael C. Berch) Subject: UK Lion & the Cobra cover scan in archive (GIF version) To: jitr Status: OR Just wanted to mention that a GIF format file of the cover scan of the UK version of THE LION AND THE COBRA is in the JITR archive on turbo.bio.net. Filenames are jitr/uk-lion-cobra.gif (binary file) and jitr/uk-lion-cobra.gif.uu (uuencoded version). Thanks again to Jason Boardman. -- Michael C. Berch Jump-In-The-River Moderator jitr-request@presto.ig.com From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Jul 20 01:24:36 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA08290; Mon, 20 Jul 92 01:24:20 -0700 Received: from freia.inf.tu-dresden.de by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA08285; Mon, 20 Jul 92 01:23:58 -0700 Message-Id: <9207200823.AA08285@presto.ig.com> Received: by freia.inf.tu-dresden.de (15.11/15.6) id AA24775; Mon, 20 Jul 92 10:23:28 mes From: Matthias Radestock Subject: Re: Gaelic Translation To: jitr (Jump In The River) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 10:23:27 MESZ In-Reply-To: <9207200017.AA00995@ elof.iit.edu.iit.edu >; from "Jason Boardman" at Jul 19, 92 7:17 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 64.9] Status: OR > > > This is the translation that I read in > a Sinead Biography: > > "...for he will command His angels > concerning you > to guard you in all your ways; > they will lift you up in their hands, > so that you will not strike your foot > against a stone. > you will tread upon the lion and the cobra; > you will trample the great lion and the serpent." > > This is a Biblical quote. It is Psalm 21, but in > my New International Version of the Bible it is > written in a more straightforward fasion, but I guess > in older versions that is what it said. The Gaelic > writing of this Psalm is also found in the sleeve > of the album, or inside the booklet of the CD. > > Jason Boardman > boarjas@elof.iit.edu > This verse is exactly the one printed on the last page of the UK booklet of the CD. The gaelic version is on the page before but it is hand- written and therefore hard to read. The UK booklet includes 3 pictures of Sinead. The front page shows her screaming (it is the picture that has been scanned by Jason). On the third page she is just sitting around. The camera is above her and so she looks up to it. The 5th page shows her screaming again (quite similiar to the first picture but in b/w). Could somebody describe the US cover, please? -- ********************************************************************** * Matthias Radestock E-mail: rade@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de * * Striesener Str. 36b Tel. : +37 351 4592474 * * 8019 Dresden * * GERMANY * ********************************************************************** From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Jul 20 21:43:27 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA10707; Mon, 20 Jul 92 21:42:10 -0700 Received: from iitmax.iit.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA10697; Mon, 20 Jul 92 21:42:04 -0700 Received: from elof.iit.edu by iitmax.iit.edu with SMTP id AA07093 (5.64+/IDA/NIU-1.3.1 for jitr@presto.ig.com); Mon, 20 Jul 92 23:41:48 -0600 Received: by elof.iit.edu.iit.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-1.0) id AA05051; Mon, 20 Jul 92 23:41:57 GMT-0500 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 23:41:57 GMT-0500 From: boarjas@elof.iit.edu (Jason Boardman) Message-Id: <9207210441.AA05051@ elof.iit.edu.iit.edu > To: jitr Subject: Elton John Two Rooms Tribute Album Status: OR Just a mildly humorous (at least in my opinion) note: In the booklet for the Elton John/Bernie Taupin tribute CD it has a picture of and a small quote from each of the artists who covered the songs. Most of the quotes say something elequent like 'I remember hearing Elton John for the first time' or 'this song really moved me' etc.,etc. The usual outpouring of maybe sincere feelings as you might expect. But when it came to Sinead (who covered Sacrifice) she simply said "I can't believe no-one did Candle In The Wind." ...Well _I_ thought it was funny. Jason Boardman boarjas@elof.iit.edu From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Jul 21 06:20:22 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA21424; Tue, 21 Jul 92 06:19:49 -0700 Received: from zcias1.ziff.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA21420; Tue, 21 Jul 92 06:19:46 -0700 Received: from DN-ARNOR by zcias1.ziff.com (PMDF #12531) id <01GMMVOI7HK000463D@zcias1.ziff.com>; Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:17 EST Received: from arnor.zis.ziff.com by arnor.zis.ziff.com (PMDF #12531) id <01GMMVN5UJXSKMWT67@arnor.zis.ziff.com>; Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:16 EST Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:16 EST From: Sam Warren Subject: Two Rooms Tribute Album To: jitr Message-Id: <01GMMVN5UJXSKMWT67@arnor.zis.ziff.com> X-Envelope-To: jitr@presto.ig.com X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" X-Vms-Cc: I_SW Status: OR I thought Sinead's comment was funny too, Jason. But since that time (the album has been out for a couple of months), I'd like to note that Kate Bush did cover Candle in the Wind on her 12" single of Rocket Man. So, maybe she took Sinead's advice! From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Jul 23 16:45:54 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA21257; Thu, 23 Jul 92 16:44:06 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA21206; Thu, 23 Jul 92 16:41:48 -0700 Message-Id: <9207232341.AA21206@presto.ig.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 16:41:44 -0800 From: mcb@presto.ig.com (Michael C. Berch) Subject: U.S. Lion & the Cobra cover scan in archive To: jitr Status: OR For those outside the U.S. who didn't get a chance to see it, a GIF format file of the cover scan of the U.S. version of THE LION AND THE COBRA is now in the JITR archive on turbo.bio.net. Filenames are jitr/us-lion-cobra.gif (binary file) and jitr/us-lion-cobra.gif.uu (uuencoded version). This is a very nice monochrome scan and scales nicely if you want to use it as a screen background, etc. Thanks again to Jason Boardman. -- Michael C. Berch Jump-In-The-River Moderator jitr-request@presto.ig.com From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Jul 24 00:37:50 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA03691; Fri, 24 Jul 92 00:36:50 -0700 Received: from freia.inf.tu-dresden.de by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA03686; Fri, 24 Jul 92 00:36:44 -0700 Message-Id: <9207240736.AA03686@presto.ig.com> Received: by freia.inf.tu-dresden.de (15.11/15.6) id AA00613; Fri, 24 Jul 92 09:36:21 mes From: Matthias Radestock Subject: "What Do YOu Want?" infoorequest To: jitr (Jump In The River) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 9:36:20 MESZ Mailer: Elm [revision: 64.9] Status: OR Yesterday I got the "Emperor's New Clothe" CD (US) with that beautiful song "What Do You Want?" on it. The booklet only says it has been produced for the "Smoothside Organisation". Does somebody have further information? -- ********************************************************************** * Matthias Radestock E-mail: rade@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de * * Striesener Str. 36b Tel. : +37 351 4592474 * * 8019 Dresden * * GERMANY * ********************************************************************** From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Jul 24 00:43:29 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA03745; Fri, 24 Jul 92 00:43:20 -0700 Received: from freia.inf.tu-dresden.de by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA03741; Fri, 24 Jul 92 00:43:04 -0700 Message-Id: <9207240743.AA03741@presto.ig.com> Received: by freia.inf.tu-dresden.de (15.11/15.6) id AA00654; Fri, 24 Jul 92 09:42:37 mes From: Matthias Radestock Subject: Sinead & Peter Gabriel To: jitr (Jump In The River) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 9:42:36 MESZ Mailer: Elm [revision: 64.9] Status: OR Sinead O'Connor and Peter Gabriel ?!? Has sombody heared of that too? I only know that they have worked together several times (for instance at the "Silent Night" CD single) and thought that is the only connection between them. -- ********************************************************************** * Matthias Radestock E-mail: rade@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de * * Striesener Str. 36b Tel. : +37 351 4592474 * * 8019 Dresden * * GERMANY * ********************************************************************** From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Jul 24 04:52:32 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA08707; Fri, 24 Jul 92 04:51:50 -0700 Received: from rcnvms.rcn.mass.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA08703; Fri, 24 Jul 92 04:51:46 -0700 Received: from RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU by RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU (PMDF #12408) id <01GMQZN6BBSKDU7WEW@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>; Fri, 24 Jul 1992 07:53 EST Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 07:53 EST From: AMIDURA@rcnvms.rcn.mass.edu Subject: re:what do you want? To: jitr Message-Id: <01GMQZN6BBSKDU7WEW@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU> X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" Status: OR Is that the one sung in Gaelic... or is it another language... or is it a foreign language at all. I'm trying to recall the song. I don't own the CD but my friend has it... I think we're talking about the same thing..... oh never mind me... it's 7:30 in the morning and I'm having a hard time starting the work day..... -ana From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Jul 24 10:41:07 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA19455; Fri, 24 Jul 92 10:40:13 -0700 Received: from freia.inf.tu-dresden.de by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA19425; Fri, 24 Jul 92 10:39:43 -0700 Message-Id: <9207241739.AA19425@presto.ig.com> Received: by freia.inf.tu-dresden.de (15.11/15.6) id AA05866; Fri, 24 Jul 92 19:39:10 mes From: Matthias Radestock Subject: re:what do you want? To: jitr (Jump In The River) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 19:39:09 MESZ In-Reply-To: <01GMQZN6BBSKDU7WEW@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>; from "AMIDURA@rcnvms.rcn.mass.edu" at Jul 24, 92 7:53 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 64.9] Status: OR > > Is that the one sung in Gaelic... or is it another language... or is > it a foreign language at all. It could be Gaelic. But I'm not sure about that. It would be the first time I hear her speaking that language. I thought the reason why Enya spoke the words on "Never get old" was that Sinead didn't knew Gaelic or at least was not able to pronounce it in the (certainly perfect) way like Enya does it. Furthermore the booklet says that all tracks had been written by Sinead. I don't know if this includes both, music and lyrics, but then it would be even more surprising. -- ********************************************************************** * Matthias Radestock E-mail: rade@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de * * Striesener Str. 36b Tel. : +37 351 4592474 * * 8019 Dresden * * GERMANY * ********************************************************************** From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Jul 24 14:59:21 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA28216; Fri, 24 Jul 92 14:58:53 -0700 Received: from iitmax.iit.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA28211; Fri, 24 Jul 92 14:58:48 -0700 Received: from elof.iit.edu by iitmax.iit.edu with SMTP id AA02401 (5.64+/IDA/NIU-1.3.1 for jitr@presto.ig.com); Fri, 24 Jul 92 16:58:18 -0600 Received: by elof.iit.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-1.0) id AA04933; Fri, 24 Jul 92 16:58:28 GMT-0500 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 16:58:28 GMT-0500 From: boarjas@elof.iit.edu (Jason Boardman) Message-Id: <9207242158.AA04933@ elof.iit.edu > To: jitr Subject: SINEAD HAS HIT THE RELEASE LIST!!!! Status: OR I just read today that the release date (US) for Sinead's new album "Am I Not Your Girl" is set for September 15!!!!! You heard it here first :) Jason Boardman boarjas@elof.iit.edu From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sat Jul 25 13:27:07 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA24728; Sat, 25 Jul 92 13:26:16 -0700 Received: from bunny.gte.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA24724; Sat, 25 Jul 92 13:26:13 -0700 Received: by bunny.gte.com (5.61/GTEL2.19) id AA26900; Sat, 25 Jul 92 16:26:00 -0400 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 16:26:00 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Message-Id: <9207252026.AA26900@bunny.gte.com> To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu, jitr, love-hounds@eddie.mit.edu, really-deep-thoughts@gradient.cis.upenn.edu Subject: KaTemas Status: OR apologies to all who aren`t coming to the boston-area KaTemas party for using up bandwidth, but i can`t think of a better way to let people know how: to get to the Boston KaTemas party: lessee... first of all, you are going to Harvard Square, Cambridge, MA :) the full address is: the Lowell House Master's Residence Harvard University 50 Holyoke St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-547-1780 your hosts are greg bossert (that`s me :) and jessica dembski (though it is in fact my parent`s place of residence ;) this is NOT in Harvard Yard (the main campus) -- it is several blocks away, towards the Charles River... BY FOOT/PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION the subway (tube, metro, underground, or in local jargon, the 'T') goes to Harvard Square. take the Red Line *outbound* from Boston (or inbound from the Alewife Station) to the Harvard Square stop -- make sense? the Red Line intersects the Green Line at Park Street, and the Orange Line at Washington Street. if you are on the Blue Line, take the Blue Line to the Green Line at Goverment Center, and the Green Line to Park Street. Boston's main Amtrak station is South Station, which is conveniently on the Red Line... the airport is on the Blue Line, but if you are flying in, call me and we'll arrange a ride :) Once you get to the Harvard Square station, exit out the main lobby of the subway station (go down or up the ramps at the end of the platform to a large underground atrium, then up the stairs/escalators). you will exit in the middle of Harvard Square -- in front of you and across the street will be the Harvard Cooperative Society (the "Coop"). make a 180 degree turn around the station exit, so you are facing away from the Coop, and walk east on Massachusetts Avenue. cross a small street, go past the Au Bon Pain cafe, and turn right on the next street, which is Holyoke Street. head south on Holyoke, cross Mt. Auburn street, cross a small alley-like road. on your right will be the Malkin Athletic Center (a big brick building). eventually, Holyoke Street takes a 90 degree to the left, but before that on the left will be #50. the doorway is large, white, flanked by columns and marked by a large brass "50", as well as some kind of KaTe sign :) BY CAR: if you are coming from the north or south on 95/93 -- * go into boston on 93. * take the Storrow Drive exit. * follow Storrow Drive along the river to the Harvard Sq./J.F.K. St. exit. * cross the river (the exit leads directly to a bridge). * there is a light at the far end of the bridge. go straight through it (assuming it turns green first ;) * there is a light at an intersection with a road from the left. go through the light, and take the very next right (at a very small alley called South St.) * go through the first stop sign, through the parking lot -- the house is the brick building with white columns before you past the parking lot... if you can't park, ring the bell and we will work something out :) if you end up on I95/128 going around boston (it's a loop highway): * take route 2 east to the end * follow signs for boston/cambridge to Memorial Drive... * take Memorial Drive along the river until a light with a bridge on your right -- turn left: this is JFK street! turn on South St. as described above.. if you are coming from the west/south on the Mass Turnpike, you can take the I95 exit north to route 2 as described above, or take the turnpike farther to the Allston/Cambridge exit (it's a left exit). bear to the right, following signs to Cambridge. go straight through several lights, then turn left on Storrow Drive (this turn is a bit obscure -- if you miss it, cross the river and turn left on Memorial Drive). take the Harvard Square/JFK exit as described above... if you have any doubts/questions, give me a call at the number listed above!!! the party is officially from 12noon to 12midnight on August 1, 1992 (that`s next saturday!) crash-space is available for friday and saturday nights -- call me for details! footah!!!!!! -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "it is this that brings us together" -- KTB From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Jul 27 08:41:12 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA28527; Mon, 27 Jul 92 08:38:57 -0700 Received: from rcnvms.rcn.mass.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA28522; Mon, 27 Jul 92 08:38:54 -0700 Received: from RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU by RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU (PMDF #12408) id <01GMVEETVYWGDU7ZOF@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>; Mon, 27 Jul 1992 11:39 EST Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 11:39 EST From: AMIDURA@rcnvms.rcn.mass.edu Subject: Re: Sinead and Pater To: jitr Message-Id: <01GMVEETVYWGDU7ZOF@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU> X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" Status: OR A coulple of years ago there was a benifit concert on eMpTyV in which Sinead sang backup vocals with Peter Gabriel doing -Don't give up- Or.... would that song be considered a duet?... Anyway, that's all I know of the two. No other connections as far as I'm concerned. But, with her new album, I'm sure the Enquirer will have you carrying his child or more along the lines of their unbelievable stories, he will be carrying hers...... just my little view on the world as i know it -ana From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Jul 28 08:30:35 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA03438; Tue, 28 Jul 92 08:28:27 -0700 Received: from zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA03432; Tue, 28 Jul 92 08:28:19 -0700 Message-Id: <9207281528.AA03432@presto.ig.com> Received: from bt-web.bt.co.uk by zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk via DECnet inbound channel id <17729-0@zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk>; Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:27:31 +0100 X-Vms-To: R11F::PRESTO.IG.COM::JITR To: jitr From: katz_p_m@bt-web.bt.co.uk Subject: RE: Re: Sinead and Pater Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:27:31 +0100 Status: OR From: NAME: Philip Katz [DIP11 ] FUNC: DIP11 TEL: 0394-693446 To: jitr@presto.ig.com@UNET Is this true? I know that when Peter Gabriel released the (godawful sugary sweet rubbish) _Don't Give Up_ it was a duet with Kate Bush. Philip From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Jul 28 08:58:59 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA04312; Tue, 28 Jul 92 08:58:05 -0700 Received: from bunny.gte.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA04303; Tue, 28 Jul 92 08:58:01 -0700 Received: by bunny.gte.com (5.61/GTEL2.19) id AA16955; Tue, 28 Jul 92 11:57:57 -0400 Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 11:57:57 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Message-Id: <9207281557.AA16955@bunny.gte.com> To: jitr Subject: RE: Re: Sinead and Pater Status: OR Phillip wonders: >Is this true? I know that when Peter Gabriel released the (godawful >sugary sweet rubbish) _Don't Give Up_ it was a duet with Kate Bush. ah, but the live performance featured Sinead singing KaTe's part. many people found the performance unsuccessful... Sinead said something along the lines of "i am not worthy" -- i am sure someone can supply the exact quote... i kinda like the song, actually -- dig the thunky synth bass, and the urgent backing vox during the fade... more details, please, on Sinead's new album!!!!!!!! here's hoping for a wild one! remember, banshee is an irish word ;) footah! -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "a woman drew her long black hair out tight and fiddled whisper music on those strings and bats with baby faces in the violet light whistled, and beat their wings" -- T.S. Eliot From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Jul 29 23:43:52 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA16771; Wed, 29 Jul 92 23:42:57 -0700 Received: from iitmax.iit.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA16767; Wed, 29 Jul 92 23:42:54 -0700 Received: from elof.iit.edu by iitmax.iit.edu with SMTP id AA23627 (5.64+/IDA/NIU-1.3.1 for jitr@presto.ig.com); Thu, 30 Jul 92 01:42:23 -0600 Received: by elof.iit.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-1.0) id AA06470; Thu, 30 Jul 92 01:42:46 GMT-0500 Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 01:42:46 GMT-0500 From: boarjas@elof.iit.edu (Jason Boardman) Message-Id: <9207300642.AA06470@ elof.iit.edu > To: jitr Subject: New Sinead Album Status: OR I have more news on the new up and coming Sinead release. Apparently the album is all covers. Yep, you heard right. Covers. Probably real old ones. I could be wrong on this one, but I think that's what it is. I hope they're good. Jason From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Jul 30 01:22:44 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA17726; Thu, 30 Jul 92 01:22:08 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA17674; Thu, 30 Jul 92 01:16:51 -0700 Message-Id: <9207300816.AA17674@presto.ig.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 01:16:49 -0800 From: mcb@presto.ig.com (Michael C. Berch) Subject: Re: New Sinead Album To: jitr X-Orig-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 01:42:46 GMT-0500 X-Orig-From: boarjas@elof.iit.edu (Jason Boardman) X-Orig-Message-Id: <9207300642.AA06470@ elof.iit.edu > Status: OR Jason Boardman writes: > I have more news on the new up and coming Sinead release. > Apparently the album is all covers. Yep, you heard right. > Covers. Probably real old ones. I could be wrong on this > one, but I think that's what it is. I hope they're good. Hmmm. The rumour I heard, a few months ago, was that Sinead's next recording would be an album of traditional Irish music, some in original Irish Gaelic and some in English, in collaboration with some well-known Irish folk musicians (sorry, don't remember any names). (I do remember Van Morrison in connection with this, but don't know if maybe he was supposed to produce it or something.) But this was an offhand remark in an informal interview, so who knows. I can also (weakly) confirm the date (15 September) and name ("Am I Not Your Girl") of the new album, by way of the Upcoming Releases article in rec.music.info. (Unless of course this is where Jason got his original information, in which case I haven't added any real confirmation.) -- Michael mcb@presto.ig.com From slf@netcom.com Thu Jul 30 07:56:42 1992 Received: from netcom.netcom.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA20591; Thu, 30 Jul 92 07:55:54 -0700 Received: by netcom.netcom.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05201; Thu, 30 Jul 92 07:55:33 PDT Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 07:55:33 PDT From: slf@netcom.com (Sharon Fisher) Message-Id: <9207301455.AA05201@netcom.netcom.com> To: mcb Cc: jitr In-Reply-To: Michael C. Berch's message of Thu, 30 Jul 92 01:16:49 -0800 <9207300816.AA17674@presto.ig.com> Subject: New Sinead Album Status: OR I thought that the fact that Sinead's album would be all standards came out some time ago. I imagine it'll sound something like her stuff on Red, Hot, and Blue. Personally, I'd love to hear the Irish covers... From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Jul 30 10:14:14 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA22956; Thu, 30 Jul 92 10:13:39 -0700 Received: from nettlerash.Berkeley.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA22952; Thu, 30 Jul 92 10:13:36 -0700 Received: from remarque.Berkeley.EDU by nettlerash.berkeley.edu (5.64.1/1.34.6) id AA27542; Thu, 30 Jul 92 10:13:08 -0700 Received: by remarque.berkeley.edu.berkeley.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05022; Thu, 30 Jul 92 10:13:24 PDT Message-Id: <9207301713.AA05022@remarque.berkeley.edu.berkeley.edu> To: jitr Reply-To: jitr@presto.ig.com Subject: Re: New Sinead Album In-Reply-To: Jason Boardman's message of "Thu, 30 Jul 92 01:42:46 CDT." <9207300642.AA06470@ elof.iit.edu > Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 10:13:18 -0700 From: Jym Dyer Status: OR > I have more news on the new up and coming Sinead release. > Apparently the album is all covers. Yep, you heard right. > Covers. Probably real old ones. =+= *Sigh*. Michelle Shocked just did the same thing. Is there some sort of dearth of new material or something? <_Jym_> From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Jul 30 12:39:44 1992 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA24924; Thu, 30 Jul 92 12:39:18 -0700 Received: from prodigal.psych.rochester.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA24920; Thu, 30 Jul 92 12:39:15 -0700 Received: by prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (4.1/1.17) id AA01158; Thu, 30 Jul 92 15:37:33 EDT Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 15:37:33 EDT From: Derek Gross Message-Id: <9207301937.AA01158@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu> To: jitr Subject: Re: New Sinead Album Status: OR >> I have more news on the new up and coming Sinead release. >> Apparently the album is all covers. Yep, you heard right. >> Covers. Probably real old ones. Maybe along the lines of "Damn Your Eyes" on the "Three Babies" single? (Does anybody know where or when this song comes from?) >=+= *Sigh*. Michelle Shocked just did the same thing. >Is there some sort of dearth of new material or something? I don't think that's a fair description of _Arkansas Traveler_. Several of the songs are originals, most of them are original lyrics and arrangements for traditional tunes, and only a couple are traditional tunes (which are not really the same thing as covers, anyway) with nothing new added. Derek Gross