From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Oct 9 18:33:20 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA06105; Wed, 9 Oct 91 18:31:51 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA05734; Wed, 9 Oct 91 18:26:37 -0700 Message-Id: <9110100126.AA05734@presto.ig.com> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 91 18:26:34 -0800 From: mcb@presto.ig.com (Michael C. Berch) Subject: Sinead news from San Francisco Chronicle To: jitr Status: OR The San Francisco Chronicle (the local morning paper) reports that Sinead revealed in an interview that she was beaten by her mother as a child. "I grew up in a state of terror," she says. "I was beaten up every single day." This apparently comes from the cover story in the forthcoming issue of SPIN magazine, dated 14 October, which sounds like a Sinead feature. The Chronicle story is a "People" feature on "Celebrity confessions of child abuse," presumably sparked by the LaToya Jackson and Roseanne Barr stories making the rounds of the mass media. (I used to get SPIN, but I think my subscription ran out. I'll look for the October 14 issue. I don't know if SPIN is widely distributed outside the U.S.) -- Michael C. Berch mcb@presto.ig.com From well!slf@apple.com Wed Oct 9 22:25:19 1991 Received: from apple.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA20790; Wed, 9 Oct 91 22:25:17 -0700 Received: by apple.com (5.61/1-Oct-1991-eef) id AA08606; Wed, 9 Oct 91 22:13:54 -0700 for Received: by well.sf.ca.us (4.12/4.7) id AA21178; Wed, 9 Oct 91 21:59:41 pdt Date: Wed, 9 Oct 91 21:59:41 pdt From: well!slf@apple.com (Sharon Lynne Fisher) Message-Id: <9110100459.AA21178@well.sf.ca.us> To: mcb, jitr Subject: Re: Sinead news from San Francisco Chronicle Status: OR That's not new. I forget where I read it, but they talked about how the scars on her scalp were visible since she shaved her head. From berger@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu 23 Oct 91 09:54:30 Received: by henson.cc.wwu.edu (5.57/WWU-H1.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.21 ) id AA11058; Wed, 23 Oct 91 10:19: 47 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA04756; Wed, 23 Oct 91 09:54:34 -0700 Received: from chaos.cs.brandeis.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA04751; Wed, 23 Oct 91 09:54:30 -0700 Received: by chaos.cs.brandeis.edu Wed, 23 Oct 91 12:54:56 -0400 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 91 12:54:56 -0400 From: "David Berger" Message-Id: <9110231654.AA17852@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> To: jitr@presto.ig.com Subject: Anyone want to trade bootlegs? Status: OR Hi, I'm a taper with about 350 hours of bootleg of various bands. I am interested in trading tapes with serious collecters to acquire some high-quality Sinead O'Connor bootlegs. If you are interested in trading tapes, please email me at berger@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu Thanks, David From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Oct 25 08:43:02 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA26058; Fri, 25 Oct 91 08:40:36 -0700 Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA26054; Fri, 25 Oct 91 08:40:33 -0700 Received: from RCA2.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA07430; Fri, 25 Oct 91 11:40:30 EDT From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Received: by rca2.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA24911; Fri, 25 Oct 91 11:40:27 -0400 Message-Id: <9110251540.AA24911@rca2.MIT.EDU> To: jitr Subject: Sinead Date: Fri, 25 Oct 91 11:40:26 EDT Status: OR Hi, Wow, is this a Sinead list or what. An extensive interview appears in Spin and only one comment is made. She states that she won't record for a while and nobody comments. She has a new song out that is the best among others and nobody makes a mention. She gets thanked by Prince, and nobody's curious enough to wonder. Is .gaffa the reason, or has everybody lost interest in her? Angelos From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Oct 25 09:08:59 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA26633; Fri, 25 Oct 91 09:08:34 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA26629; Fri, 25 Oct 91 09:08:32 -0700 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 91 9:08:31 PDT From: "John M. Relph" To: jitr Subject: Best Among Others? Message-Id: Status: OR Actually, I listened to most of "Two Rooms" last night, and I found Sinead's song to be the weakest of the lot. The Beach Boys recorded a better performance than hers. But I do like her comment: "I can't believe nobody did `Candle In The Wind'." The CD is definitely recommended, if you like Elton John's music (and maybe even if you don't). -- John From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Oct 25 09:21:00 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA26945; Fri, 25 Oct 91 09:20:36 -0700 Received: from Osprey.Telcom.Arizona.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA26939; Fri, 25 Oct 91 09:20:32 -0700 Received: from argus.lpl.Arizona.EDU by Arizona.edu with PMDF#10282; Fri, 25 Oct 1991 09:20 MST Received: from abraxas.lpl.Arizona.EDU.LPL-West by argus.lpl.arizona.edu; Fri, 25 Oct 91 09:20:03 MST Received: by abraxas.lpl.Arizona.EDU.LPL-West (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA14783; Fri, 25 Oct 91 09:19:59 MST Date: Fri, 25 Oct 91 09:19:59 MST From: dione@abraxas.lpl.arizona.edu (Matt Cheselka) Subject: Sinead Talk To: jitr Cc: dione@argus.lpl.arizona.edu Message-Id: <9110251619.AA14783@abraxas.lpl.Arizona.EDU.LPL-West> X-Envelope-To: jitr@presto.ig.com Status: OR I have yet to read the interview in Spin. I'm not sure why there are no comments about her and actually very little talk about her any more. Too bad about no new album, but I can understand her unwillingness to be in the public eye for a while. Is she still in Ireland? What is the name of this new song of hers? Is it avaliable in the US? Maybe someone could paraphrase the article in Spin for people like me who can afford to buy it? (although I should). And what is .gaffa? Matt Cheselka From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Oct 25 09:52:13 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA27886; Fri, 25 Oct 91 09:51:38 -0700 Received: from uu.psi.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA27879; Fri, 25 Oct 91 09:51:31 -0700 Received: from port7.boston.pub-ip.psi.net by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) id AA04911; Fri, 25 Oct 91 12:47:19 -0400 Received: from (manjusri) by ely (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22775; Fri, 25 Oct 91 12:52:47 EDT Received: from longvalley by (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21223; Fri, 25 Oct 91 12:52:58 EDT Date: Fri, 25 Oct 91 12:52:58 EDT From: weitzman@cambridge.oracorp.com (Adam Weitzman) Message-Id: <9110251652.AA21223@> Received: by longvalley (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18299; Fri, 25 Oct 91 12:51:46 EDT To: jitr In-Reply-To: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu's message of Fri, 25 Oct 91 11:40:26 EDT <9110251540.AA24911@rca2.MIT.EDU> Subject: Sinead Status: OR > Wow, is this a Sinead list or what. An extensive interview appears in Spin > and only one comment is made. She states that she won't record for a while > and nobody comments. She has a new song out that is the best among others > and nobody makes a mention. She gets thanked by Prince, and nobody's curious > enough to wonder. Is .gaffa the reason, or has everybody lost interest in > her? Yes, indeed, we all seem to be pathetic bored morons, don't we? Anyways, here's what I think about the SPIN article: I think Ms. O'Connor is a seriously deluded character. Now, having said this, I must say that I wouldn't be on this list if I wasn't a big fan of her music. However, for someone to have the view that "all the world's problems are caused by child abuse and all child abuse is unintentional" is to me quite flaky indeed. And for Ms. "I stand for all free speech" to say that TV should be abolished is appaling. For her to say that black rap groups are not as guilty as white heavy-metal groups for perpetuating the current state of misogynistic affairs is absurd. For her to say that she will be out of the music business for a while, then put out "My Special Child" and record an Elton John cover makes it impossible to believe anything she says in that regard. I'm personally sick and tired of her hiding behind her "I'm just a 23-year-old Irish girl" stance and I wish she would GET HER SHIT TOGETHER, so that she can continue to produce more brilliant music. She's probably thanked on the Prince album for helping Paisley Park get out of a financial rough spot with the royalties from "NC2U." Either that, or the publicity from the "he tied me to a chair in his basement" episode. I *loved* the way she ragged on Madonna, though. She was right on the money on that one. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Adam J Weitzman "You may ask yourself, 'How do I work this?'" - Talking Heads weitzman@cambridge.oracorp.com "I am not making this up!" - Dave Barry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Oct 25 10:20:35 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA28863; Fri, 25 Oct 91 10:19:31 -0700 Received: from relay2.UU.NET by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA28859; Fri, 25 Oct 91 10:19:25 -0700 Received: from world.std.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA12236; Fri, 25 Oct 91 13:19:24 -0400 Received: by world.std.com (5.61+++/Spike-2.0) id AA24641; Fri, 25 Oct 91 13:19:19 -0400 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 91 13:19:19 -0400 From: eliz@world.std.com (Elizabeth Lear Newman) Message-Id: <9110251719.AA24641@world.std.com> To: jitr Subject: Re: Sinead Talk Status: OR To: jitr Subject: Re: Sinead In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 25 Oct 91 12:52:58 -0400. <9110251652.AA21223@> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 91 15:06:44 EDT Status: OR Hi again, weitzman@cambridge.oracorp.com (Adam Weitzman) writes: >Yes, indeed, we all seem to be pathetic bored morons, don't we? I didn't mean to insult anyone, I was just wondering if anybody else is interested in Sinead anymore, now that she's not in the media every day, and was trying to get some conversation going, which apparently I did. Put smileys before, after and within my original post. OK here's a few :-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-) >Anyways, here's what I think about the SPIN article: >I think Ms. O'Connor is a seriously deluded character. Now, having said >this, I must say that I wouldn't be on this list if I wasn't a big fan of >her music. However, for someone to have the view that "all the world's >problems are caused by child abuse and all child abuse is unintentional" is >to me quite flaky indeed. I agree 100%. However, SOME of today's problems are caused by child abuse, so she's somewhat right. >And for Ms. "I stand for all free speech" to say >that TV should be abolished is appaling. For her to say that black rap >groups are not as guilty as white heavy-metal groups for perpetuating the >current state of misogynistic affairs is absurd. I think her point was that black misogynistic rap doesn't get played on MTV, while white heavy metal misogyny is practically everywhere. >For her to say that she >will be out of the music business for a while, then put out "My Special >Child" and record an Elton John cover makes it impossible to believe >anything she says in that regard. I'm personally sick and tired of her >hiding behind her "I'm just a 23-year-old Irish girl" stance and I wish she >would GET HER SHIT TOGETHER, so that she can continue to produce more >brilliant music. Another point where I will agree. However, whatever she has produced has been pretty good. 'Sacrifice' might be viewed by some as a dull, uninspired take on the original, but in my ears it;s a hypnotic, passionate version. Angelos +=====================================+ |'My ears have parasites'-hApPy RhOdEs| +=====================================+ From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Oct 25 12:49:47 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA02761; Fri, 25 Oct 91 12:49:12 -0700 Received: from relay2.UU.NET by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA02756; Fri, 25 Oct 91 12:49:09 -0700 Received: from world.std.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA23972; Fri, 25 Oct 91 15:49:06 -0400 Received: by world.std.com (5.61+++/Spike-2.0) id AA01495; Fri, 25 Oct 91 15:48:57 -0400 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 91 15:48:57 -0400 From: eliz@world.std.com (Elizabeth Lear Newman) Message-Id: <9110251948.AA01495@world.std.com> To: jitr Subject: Re: Sinead Status: OR Received: by sub.aix.rpi.edu (5.61-AIX-1.2/RPI-ITS-SUB10-AIX); id AA138095; Fri, 25 Oct 91 16:16:36 -0400 for jitr@presto.ig.com Message-Id: <9110252016.AA138095@sub.aix.rpi.edu> To: weitzman@cambridge.oracorp.com (Adam Weitzman) Cc: jitr Subject: Re: Sinead In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 25 Oct 91 12:52:58 EDT Date: Fri, 25 Oct 91 16:16:35 EDT Status: OR What did Sinead say about Madonna? --- RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. "1991: YEAR OF THE QUEER" vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet Doofus Of The Year award: to California Governor Pete Wilson for vetoing AB101 From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Oct 25 13:48:29 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA04158; Fri, 25 Oct 91 13:47:55 -0700 Received: from uu.psi.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA04152; Fri, 25 Oct 91 13:47:50 -0700 Received: from port7.boston.pub-ip.psi.net by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) id AA19332; Fri, 25 Oct 91 16:43:18 -0400 Received: from (manjusri) by ely (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23777; Fri, 25 Oct 91 16:48:52 EDT Received: from longvalley by (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03039; Fri, 25 Oct 91 16:49:05 EDT Date: Fri, 25 Oct 91 16:49:04 EDT From: weitzman@cambridge.oracorp.com (Adam Weitzman) Message-Id: <9110252049.AA03039@> Received: by longvalley (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00362; Fri, 25 Oct 91 16:47:51 EDT To: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Cc: jitr In-Reply-To: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu's message of Fri, 25 Oct 91 15:06:44 EDT <9110251906.AA25157@rca2.MIT.EDU> Subject: Sinead Status: OR >>I think Ms. O'Connor is a seriously deluded character. Now, having said >>this, I must say that I wouldn't be on this list if I wasn't a big fan of >>her music. However, for someone to have the view that "all the world's >>problems are caused by child abuse and all child abuse is unintentional" is >>to me quite flaky indeed. > > I agree 100%. However, SOME of today's problems are caused by child abuse, > so she's somewhat right. Yes, and SOME of today's problems are caused by CFCs, but if I blame all the world's problems on CFCs, does that make me somewhat right? I doubt it. >> For her to say that black rap groups are not as guilty as white >> heavy-metal groups for perpetuating the current state of misogynistic >> affairs is absurd. > > I think her point was that black misogynistic rap doesn't get played on > MTV, while white heavy metal misogyny is practically everywhere. To a limited extent, yes, but black misogynistic rap does much better chart-wise. >> I'm personally sick and tired of her hiding behind her "I'm just a >> 23-year-old Irish girl" stance and I wish she would GET HER SHIT >> TOGETHER, so that she can continue to produce more brilliant music. > > Another point where I will agree. However, whatever she has produced has been > pretty good. No argument there. My point was that if she keeps this up she'll never get back into music, where she belongs, because she has shown a fair amount of ineptitude in the socio-political arena. I mean, after saying "MTV should be abolished," how can she make another video? When referring to the music industry, she dislikes it intensely but she's never said it ought to be *abolished*. Thank goodness. I know she doesn't mind being contradictory and hypocritical, but it grows tiresome. She's starting to inch up into Axl Rose territory, I'm sorry to say, and that is quite a stratified area in my book. Take Neil Young, for example. He's been singing (or whining, depending on your definition of singing :-) about the same stuff for the last 20-odd years, it's still relavant, and he still believes in it. Sinead is turning into the boy who cried wolf. Who knows what she's thinking at any given time? She's confused. She ought to take a *long* vacation and start fresh and do what she wants, but she should make sure that that's *in fact* what she wants *first*. I'll still buy any product with her name on it, but I hope she uses the money to get some therapy. She needs it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Adam J Weitzman "You may ask yourself, 'How do I work this?'" - Talking Heads weitzman@cambridge.oracorp.com "I am not making this up!" - Dave Barry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sat Oct 26 13:55:08 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA21482; Sat, 26 Oct 91 13:51:21 -0700 Received: from CS-MAIL.BU.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA21478; Sat, 26 Oct 91 13:51:19 -0700 Received: from BUCSD.BU.EDU by cs-mail.bu.edu (5.61+++/SMI-4.0.3) id AA28165; Sat, 26 Oct 91 16:35:19 -0400 From: jbw@cs.bu.edu (Joe Wells) Received: by bucsd.bu.edu (5.61+++/Spike-2.0) id AA05235; Sat, 26 Oct 91 16:51:01 -0400 Date: Sat, 26 Oct 91 16:51:01 -0400 Message-Id: <9110262051.AA05235@bucsd.bu.edu> To: jitr Subject: Re: Sinead References: <9110251906.AA25157@rca2.MIT.EDU> <9110252049.AA03039@> Sent-Via: jitr@presto.ig.com Status: OR >>>>> "Adam" == Adam Weitzman writes: Adam> I'll still buy any product with her name on it, but I hope she uses Adam> the money to get some therapy. She needs it. The therapy might damage the quality of her music, so I recommend against it. I think the real problem is that people take the political and social pronouncements of musicians seriously. Really, who cares what Sinead thinks about these issues? -- Joe Wells From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Oct 28 14:00:38 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA15482; Mon, 28 Oct 91 13:56:08 -0800 Received: from alpha.Xerox.COM by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA15476; Mon, 28 Oct 91 13:56:03 -0800 Received: from AE_Mail_Service_3.ES_AE.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <11595>; Mon, 28 Oct 1991 13:55:36 -0800 X-Ns-Transport-Id: 0000AA00BEBC06C92CAF Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1991 13:55:29 -0800 Sender: Mabelle_Zugarazo.ES_AE@xerox.com From: zugar.es_ae@xerox.com Subject: Silent Night, So Different ... To: jitr Message-Id: <"28-Oct-91 13:55:29 PST".*.Mabelle_Zugarazo.ES_AE@Xerox.com> Status: OR *Silent Night* Excerpted from the L.A. Times Sunday Oct 27 Pop Music section: Sinead O'Connor has recorded a special Christmas single of 'Silent Night,' to be released on Dec.1. The song is not planned to be part of any album, though O'Connor will be performing it in a BBC-TV seasonal special being put together by Malcolm McLaren. *MTV's 120 Minutes* Now available on two CD's or tapes and one videocassette is 'Never Mind the Mainstream: The Best of MTV's 120 Minutes'. Artists featured include R.E.M., Depeche Mode, Morrissey, Sinead O'Connor, Faith No More, XTC, the Red Hot Chili Peppers... and many more! I haven't bought it yet, but I saw an advertisement for it on MTV yesterday. The commercial played 'Mandinka' so I assume that's the Sinead cut they are using. *So Different* There's a new unofficial biography out titled "Sinead O'Connor, So Different". It's written by Dermott Hayes whom I gather from the reading is an Irish journalist. He says he has met Sinead on four occasions, and he apparantly knows Sinead's father John O'Connor quite well, being that he was Dermott's landlord for some time in Ireland. The book "So Different" describes itself as being about Sinead's stormy upbringing, her early musical experiences in Dublin and how she rocketed from minor art rock celebrity to megastardom following the release of the tearful video to accompany her version of Prince's song 'Nothing Compares 2U'. And "So Different" also discusses Sinead's encounters with U2, her outspokeness, her relationships with men and the childhood traumas which she has channelled into a positive creative force. I have read the book twice now, and I'm going on three. "So Different" discusses everything it claimed it would. And, the book has pictures of Sinead, and the key people and events in her life, on every of its 128 pages. I recommend it. It is a much more detailed (and I believe accurate, for that matter) comprehensive account of Sinead than the book "Sinead: Her Life and Music" by Jimmy Guterman is. Even though "So Different" is unofficial, it seems extremely credible. There are first-hand sources interviewed in the book, such as Sinead's father, her music teacher Joe Falvey, rock promoter Kieran Owens, Ton Ton Macoute (an early Sinead band) leader Columb Farrelly, and more. And the author has obviously researched his material and has included many colorful quotes from Sinead and others. I purchased my copy at a Wherehouse record store in the Los Angeles area. I don't remember the exact price, but I think it was about $8.95. In case you want to order it, the Omnibuss Press Order No. is OP 46226. -Mabelle Zugarazo From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Oct 28 15:42:22 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA17128; Mon, 28 Oct 91 15:41:37 -0800 Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA17123; Mon, 28 Oct 91 15:41:33 -0800 Received: from RCA2.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA01181; Mon, 28 Oct 91 18:41:29 EST From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Received: by rca2.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA28082; Mon, 28 Oct 91 18:41:16 -0500 Message-Id: <9110282341.AA28082@rca2.MIT.EDU> To: jitr Subject: Re: Silent Night, So Different ... In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 28 Oct 91 13:55:29 -0800. <"28-Oct-91 13:55:29 PST".*.Mabelle_Zugarazo.ES_AE@Xerox.com> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 91 18:41:14 EST Status: OR Hmmm, > Sinead O'Connor has recorded a special Christmas single of 'Silent >Night,' to be released on Dec.1. The song is not planned to be part of any >album... Will this be released in the US? I got ripped off when I bought the Special Child CD single as an import only to find out that it would be released here eventually, and I don't think I am willing to do this again. Thanks for the tip though, I probably would have missed it. BTW, she SHOULD stop covering songs, and start writing her own!! She has popped up in so many compilations, she could have her own collection of 'odd' songs Let's see: 'Silent night' 'Someday...' from 'Stay Awake' 'Mother' from 'The Wall' 'You do ...' from 'Red hot and Blue' 'Sacrifice' from 'Two rooms' (I LOVE IT, as well as KaTe's reggae anthem) 'What do you want?' 'Damn your eyes' 'The value of ignorance' 'Heroine' 'Kingdom of rain' (with THE THE) and if we include the live tracks, there you have it. Sinead's collection CD. Angelos From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Oct 28 16:30:38 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA17858; Mon, 28 Oct 91 16:30:05 -0800 Received: from alpha.Xerox.COM by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA17853; Mon, 28 Oct 91 16:29:59 -0800 Received: from AE_Mail_Service_3.ES_AE.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <11619>; Mon, 28 Oct 1991 16:29:52 -0800 X-Ns-Transport-Id: 0000AA00BEBC06D62CAF Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1991 16:29:30 -0800 Sender: Mabelle_Zugarazo.ES_AE@xerox.com From: zugar.es_ae@xerox.com Subject: My SPIN opinion To: jitr Message-Id: <"28-Oct-91 16:29:30 PST".*.Mabelle_Zugarazo.ES_AE@Xerox.com> Status: OR Ron Buckmire writes: >What did Sinead say about Madonna? SPIN: Is there really a societal fear of women? O'Connor: Yes, and that's why women have been controlled. The women who are admired are the ones that have blond hair and big lips and wear red lipstick and wear short skirts, because that's an acceptable image of a woman. SPIN: Why? O'Connor: Because it's safe. It's not threatening, it's not intimidating. I'm threatening and I'm intimidating because I don't conform to any of those things and I just say what I think. Madonna is probably the hugest model for women in America. There's a woman who people look up to as being a woman who campaigns for women's rights. A woman who, in an abusive way toward me, said that I looked like I had a run-in with a lawn mower and that I was about as sexy as a venetian blind. Now there's the woman that America looks up to as being a campaigner for women, slagging off another woman for not being sexy. Joe Wells writes: >I think the real problem is that people take the political and social >pronouncements of musicians seriously. > >Really, who cares what Sinead thinks about these issues? I care. -Mabelle Zugarazo From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Oct 30 03:09:46 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA20397; Wed, 30 Oct 91 03:02:46 -0800 Received: from eros.uknet.ac.uk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA20392; Wed, 30 Oct 91 03:02:20 -0800 Message-Id: <9110301102.AA20392@presto.ig.com> Received: from localhost by eros.uknet.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <25828-0@eros.uknet.ac.uk>; Wed, 30 Oct 1991 09:40:12 +0000 To: jitr Subject: Re: My SPIN opinion In-Reply-To: <"28-Oct-91 16:29:30 PST".*.Mabelle_Zugarazo.ES_AE@Xerox.com> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 91 09:40:09 +0000 From: Tim.Goodwin@uknet.ac.uk Status: OR Mabelle Zugarazo quotes from Sinead O'Connor in SPIN: >[ Madonna ], in an abusive way toward me, said that I looked like I had >a run-in with a lawn mower and that I was about as sexy as a venetian >blind. Now there's the woman that America looks up to as being a >campaigner for women, slagging off another woman for not being sexy. Madonna said that? She's just jealous 'cos not only has Sinead made music more sublime than she ever will, but Sinead is also a real, sexual woman, and not a mere pinup for teenagers. Tim. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Oct 30 08:10:20 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA17858; Mon, 28 Oct 91 16:30:05 -0800 Received: from alpha.Xerox.COM by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA17853; Mon, 28 Oct 91 16:29:59 -0800 Received: from AE_Mail_Service_3.ES_AE.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <11619>; Mon, 28 Oct 1991 16:29:52 -0800 X-Ns-Transport-Id: 0000AA00BEBC06D62CAF Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1991 16:29:30 -0800 Sender: Mabelle_Zugarazo.ES_AE@xerox.com From: zugar.es_ae@xerox.com Subject: My SPIN opinion To: jitr Message-Id: <"28-Oct-91 16:29:30 PST".*.Mabelle_Zugarazo.ES_AE@Xerox.com> Status: OR Ron Buckmire writes: >What did Sinead say about Madonna? SPIN: Is there really a societal fear of women? O'Connor: Yes, and that's why women have been controlled. The women who are admired are the ones that have blond hair and big lips and wear red lipstick and wear short skirts, because that's an acceptable image of a woman. SPIN: Why? O'Connor: Because it's safe. It's not threatening, it's not intimidating. I'm threatening and I'm intimidating because I don't conform to any of those things and I just say what I think. Madonna is probably the hugest model for women in America. There's a woman who people look up to as being a woman who campaigns for women's rights. A woman who, in an abusive way toward me, said that I looked like I had a run-in with a lawn mower and that I was about as sexy as a venetian blind. Now there's the woman that America looks up to as being a campaigner for women, slagging off another woman for not being sexy. Joe Wells writes: >I think the real problem is that people take the political and social >pronouncements of musicians seriously. > >Really, who cares what Sinead thinks about these issues? I care. -Mabelle Zugarazo From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Oct 30 22:06:47 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA09497; Wed, 30 Oct 91 22:05:50 -0800 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA09491; Wed, 30 Oct 91 22:05:43 -0800 Message-Id: <9110310605.AA09491@presto.ig.com> Received: from poly-south-west.ac.uk by sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk via JANET with NIFTP id <20984-0@sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk>; Wed, 30 Oct 1991 21:34:18 +0000 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 91 21:34:47 From: S93712@prime-a.poly-south-west.ac.uk To: jitr <@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk:jitr@PRESTO.IG.com> Status: OR I may be wrong BUT... In the murky past I seem to remember reading about Sinead being a Stip-O-Gram?! As I am new to this list, I do not know whether this sordid subject has been dragged this way and that all ready...It probably has, but.... It would be handy if someone could clear this disturbing question up as I personally find it incredulous. |-( Heres in hope that it was all a nightmare...as it would seem to make here feminism argument a tad thin...to say the least! D. (S93712@pa.psw.ac.uk) From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Oct 31 07:19:08 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA16171; Thu, 31 Oct 91 07:17:25 -0800 Received: from neat.cs.toronto.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA16167; Thu, 31 Oct 91 07:17:22 -0800 Received: by neat.cs.toronto.edu id <14433>; Thu, 31 Oct 1991 10:17:09 -0500 From: "T. Kim Nguyen" To: jitr Subject: strip-o-gram Message-Id: <91Oct31.101709est.14433@neat.cs.toronto.edu> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1991 10:17:07 -0500 Status: OR Just a point about what S93712@pa.psw.ac.uk said about someone's sordid past making their current stance on issues invalid: this is true only if you believe that people can never revise their values and attitudes. For example, a friend of mine is strongly opposed to abortion -- I later found out that this is because she had had one many years ago and had been emotionally scarred by it. So you see, even IF Sinead had done some unfeminist stuff a while ago this does not make her views today any less valid or believable than anyone else's. Kim From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Oct 31 07:59:04 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA16719; Thu, 31 Oct 91 07:58:53 -0800 Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA16714; Thu, 31 Oct 91 07:58:50 -0800 Received: from RCA2.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA25784; Thu, 31 Oct 91 10:58:48 EST From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Received: by rca2.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA01403; Thu, 31 Oct 91 10:58:44 -0500 Message-Id: <9110311558.AA01403@rca2.MIT.EDU> To: jitr Subject: Re: strip-o-gram In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 31 Oct 91 10:17:07 -0500. <91Oct31.101709est.14433@neat.cs.toronto.edu> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 91 10:58:40 EST Status: OR Hi, To my knowledge she was never a strip-o-gram girl, but a kiss-o-gram girl, wearing a french maid outfit, as is shown in 'Sinead' the book. I think this was the only way she could make money back then, when she decided to leave Ireland and go to London for a career. It was an act of despair that had some effects on her (along with child abuse, of course :-)) as she described in the first Spin interview. Angelos +=====================================+ |'My ears have parasites'-hApPy RhOdEs| +=====================================+