From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Feb 4 15:09:44 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA15829; Mon, 4 Feb 91 15:03:42 -0800 Received: from its.rpi.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA15824; Mon, 4 Feb 91 15:03:37 -0800 Received: from sub.its.rpi.edu (jec402.its.rpi.edu) by its.rpi.edu (4.1/RPI-ITS-HUB17); id AA01457; Mon, 4 Feb 91 18:04:21 EST for jitr@presto.ig.com From: Ron Buckmire Received: by sub.its.rpi.edu (4.1/RPI-ITS-SUB12); id AA09895; Mon, 4 Feb 91 17:59:54 EST for rec.music.misc@rpi.edu Date: Mon, 4 Feb 91 17:59:54 EST Message-Id: <9102042259.AA09895@sub.its.rpi.edu> To: jitr, rec.music.misc@rpi.edu Subject: Sinead forfeits GRAMMYs? Status: OR Anyone know any more about the fact that Sinead has removed herself from contention in the forthcoming GRAMMY award ceremonies in order to protest the increasing commercialism in the music industry?? It may be a rumour but I would like to know if anyone has heard it, too. Ron Buckmire prince@rpitsmts.bitnet prince@rpi.edu uunet!rpi.edu!prince "Somewhere between Kate Bush and Madonna." - Sinead O'Connor, about her music. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Feb 4 15:31:37 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA17213; Mon, 4 Feb 91 15:29:21 -0800 Received: from relay.cdnnet.ca by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA17176; Mon, 4 Feb 91 15:28:48 -0800 Received: by relay.CDNnet.CA (4.1/1.14) id AA04375; Mon, 4 Feb 91 15:28:25 PST Date: 4 Feb 91 15:28 -0800 From: Philip Wu To: jitr Message-Id: <9102041915712715*phwu@vancouver.osiware.bc.ca> Subject: Re: Sinead forfeits GRAMMYs? Return-Receipt-To: Philip Wu Status: OR Yes, I heard it also. She is supposedly the first "conscientious objector" in the history of the Grammy awards. Sinead says she is doing it because of the commercialism of the music industry as well as the war in the gulf. Does anyone know anything more? Phil Wu phwu@vancouver.osiware.bc.ca From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Feb 5 00:20:39 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA04089; Tue, 5 Feb 91 00:19:59 -0800 Received: from uunet.UU.NET by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA04085; Tue, 5 Feb 91 00:19:56 -0800 Received: from sco.UUCP by uunet.uu.net (5.61/1.14) with UUCP id AA27671; Tue, 5 Feb 91 03:19:51 -0500 Received: from romulan.sco.COM by viscous.sco.COM id ah04589; Mon, 4 Feb 91 18:20:37 PST Received: from gyroscop.sco.COM by romulan.sco.COM id aa09842; Mon, 4 Feb 91 18:13:43 PST From: Tracy Roberts X-Mailer: SCO System V Mail (version 3.2) To: jitr Subject: Re: Sinead forfeits GRAMMYs? Date: Mon, 4 Feb 91 18:09:16 PST Message-Id: <9102041809.aa10117@gyroscop.sco.COM> Status: OR Ron, I read it in the San Francisco Chronicle, if that substantiates the rumor any. Frankly, my patience is starting wear thin with Sinead's postured rebelliousness and anti-establishment-ism. Get a life, Sinead! And stop taking yourself so damn seriously! I thought the spoof of her on SNL was *hilarious*. Tracy uunet!sco!tracyr, tracyr@sco.com From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Feb 5 05:08:08 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA07836; Tue, 5 Feb 91 05:06:50 -0800 Received: from THEORY.TN.CORNELL.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA07829; Tue, 5 Feb 91 05:06:44 -0800 Received: by theory.TN.CORNELL.EDU (4.1/1.6) id AA03262; Tue, 5 Feb 91 08:06:41 EST From: mikey%amnesia.uucp@theory.tn.cornell.edu (Uncle Mikey) To: jitr Subject: Re: Sinead forfeits GRAMMYs? Date: Tue, 5 Feb 91 07:52:46 EST Organization: Hertz Rent-a-Life Reply-To: mikey%amnesia.uucp@theory.tn.cornell.edu Message-Id: <0101002C.poky97@amnesia.tcnet.ithaca.ny.us> X-Mailer: uAccess - Mac Release: 1.0.3 Status: OR In Regards to your letter <9102041809.aa10117@gyroscop.sco.COM>: {Frankly, my patience is starting wear thin with Sinead's postured {rebelliousness and anti-establishment-ism. Get a life, Sinead! {And stop taking yourself so damn seriously! I must to disagree in this case. The Grammys ARE overly commercial (so are the Oscars, the Emmys, and now the ACE awards for that matter). What was intended as a forum for professionals of the field to gather to congratulate and celebrate each others achievements has turned into a media event and ratings-maker in and of itself, and this is wrong. If Sinead doesn't feel that an award given for such blatantly commercial reasons is worth having, and actually has the courage to decline it, power to her! It's about time someone flipped the award-selecting groups the bird! If I understand her correctly, Sinead's main point is she doesn't WANT celebrity, and doesn't really know how to deal with it. She wants to make her music, and if people want to publish it and other people want to buy it that's really great, but don't pester her about it 'cos it's STILL her life. You tell her to "get a life." I reply that she's already GOT one and is trying desperately to KEEP it. MSS =-= From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Feb 5 07:52:12 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA12225; Tue, 5 Feb 91 07:51:35 -0800 Received: from pucc.Princeton.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA12221; Tue, 5 Feb 91 07:51:32 -0800 Received: from IRLEARN.UCD.IE by pucc.PRINCETON.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.2MX) with BSMTP id 8900; Tue, 05 Feb 91 10:51:38 EST Received: from ccvax.ucd.ie by IRLEARN.UCD.IE (Mailer R2.03B) with BSMTP id 0854; Tue, 05 Feb 91 15:31:53 GMT Date: Tue, 5 Feb 91 15:32 WET From: bjh Subject: RE Emmy controversy To: jitr Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: jitr@presto.ig.com X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" Status: OR Mikey says : >In Regards to your letter <9102041809.aa10117@gyroscop.sco.COM>: >{Frankly, my patience is starting wear thin with Sinead's postured >{rebelliousness and anti-establishment-ism. Get a life, Sinead! >{And stop taking yourself so damn seriously! > [stuff deleted] >If I understand her correctly, Sinead's main point is she doesn't WANT > celebrity, I also liked Sinead's music and put up with her early outbursts, figuring that she was either immature and would grow up, or being picked upon by a hostile media. However, I now see that I was mistaken. She is an idiot, continually seeking publicity with her moronic outbursts which are lapped up by a press that feeds on controversy. What else but childish petulance, publicity seeking and plain immaturity can explain the rows she's being involved in : the national anthem affair the Sinatra episode I love my husband / I'm leaving my husband / etc Prince is a great guy / I was raped by Prince Perform at one major award ceremony / Reject another ...to name but a few. It's an easy copout to say that she's harassed by the media. If she thought more about what she said, and spoke less, she wouldn't have the same problem. Are Kate Bush, Sting, Peter Gabriel, etc etc "harassed" ? Regards, bjh Internet : b_haughey@ccvax.ucd.ie "There's no future in time travel" From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Feb 5 08:08:00 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA12590; Tue, 5 Feb 91 08:07:36 -0800 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA12586; Tue, 5 Feb 91 08:07:35 -0800 Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.presto.ig.com.sun3.4 via MS.5.6.presto.ig.com.sun3_4; Tue, 5 Feb 91 08:07:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 5 Feb 91 08:07:33 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher Dow To: jitr Subject: Re: RE Emmy controversy In-Reply-To: References: Status: OR I'm really sick of people who are sick of Sinead. She _is_ political, so is here music, if you would listen to it. She was definitely misguided and immature on here first tour through the U.S., but on the second tour, she had changed a lot, and gotten rid of the primary source of controversy from the first tour (her manager). To say that she just does these things for publicity shows that you don't really listen to here music. If she were to behave any differently, she would be accused being an insincere songwriter. > the national anthem affair So what? It's certainly not _her_ national anthem and at the time, her favorite music groups were being censored in areas which traditionally have racist tendencies, _and_ all that NEA crap with Sen. Helms, et al was going on. > the Sinatra episode C'mon. Sinatra is a mafioso fuck who brutalizes women. > I love my husband / I'm leaving my husband / etc The lead time (once an article is finished) is two months for a magazine. In two months time, I went from marital bliss (I thought) to wanting to do _anything_ to get out of my marriage. > Prince is a great guy / I was raped by Prince Where have you heard about this, other than in this mailing list? Did anyone _ever_ verify that this was anything but a > Perform at one major award ceremony / Reject another As far as I know, the MTV awards are the only ones which do not have a history of bribery and overcommercialization (and that is changing _fast_). Chris Dow IntelliGenetics Software Engineer 700 East El Camino Real icbmnet: 37 22' 39" N, 122 3' 32" W Mountain View, Ca. 94040 dow@presto.ig.com (415) 962-7320 From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Feb 5 08:22:22 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA12225; Tue, 5 Feb 91 07:51:35 -0800 Received: from pucc.Princeton.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA12221; Tue, 5 Feb 91 07:51:32 -0800 Received: from IRLEARN.UCD.IE by pucc.PRINCETON.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.2MX) with BSMTP id 8900; Tue, 05 Feb 91 10:51:38 EST Received: from ccvax.ucd.ie by IRLEARN.UCD.IE (Mailer R2.03B) with BSMTP id 0854; Tue, 05 Feb 91 15:31:53 GMT Date: Tue, 5 Feb 91 15:32 WET From: bjh Subject: RE Emmy controversy To: jitr Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: jitr@presto.ig.com X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" Status: OR Mikey says : >In Regards to your letter <9102041809.aa10117@gyroscop.sco.COM>: >{Frankly, my patience is starting wear thin with Sinead's postured >{rebelliousness and anti-establishment-ism. Get a life, Sinead! >{And stop taking yourself so damn seriously! > [stuff deleted] >If I understand her correctly, Sinead's main point is she doesn't WANT > celebrity, I also liked Sinead's music and put up with her early outbursts, figuring that she was either immature and would grow up, or being picked upon by a hostile media. However, I now see that I was mistaken. She is an idiot, continually seeking publicity with her moronic outbursts which are lapped up by a press that feeds on controversy. What else but childish petulance, publicity seeking and plain immaturity can explain the rows she's being involved in : the national anthem affair the Sinatra episode I love my husband / I'm leaving my husband / etc Prince is a great guy / I was raped by Prince Perform at one major award ceremony / Reject another ...to name but a few. It's an easy copout to say that she's harassed by the media. If she thought more about what she said, and spoke less, she wouldn't have the same problem. Are Kate Bush, Sting, Peter Gabriel, etc etc "harassed" ? Regards, bjh Internet : b_haughey@ccvax.ucd.ie "There's no future in time travel" From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Feb 5 09:03:40 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA01748; Tue, 5 Feb 91 09:02:55 -0800 Received: from uunet.UU.NET by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA01741; Tue, 5 Feb 91 09:02:51 -0800 Received: from metaware.UUCP by uunet.uu.net (5.61/1.14) with UUCP id AA27549; Tue, 5 Feb 91 12:02:47 -0500 Received: from sol.metaware.com by metaware.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA18474; Tue, 5 Feb 91 08:23:20 PST Received: by sol.metaware.com (4.0/SMI-4.0) id AA10489; Tue, 5 Feb 91 08:45:08 PST Date: Tue, 5 Feb 91 08:45:08 PST From: rickh@metaware.com (A mere flash in the pan) Message-Id: <9102051645.AA10489@sol.metaware.com> To: jitr Subject: Re: Sinead forfeits GRAMMYs? Status: OR Ron Buckmire sez: >Anyone know any more about the fact that Sinead has removed herself from >contention in the forthcoming GRAMMY award ceremonies in order to protest >the increasing commercialism in the music industry?? It may be a rumour but >I would like to know if anyone has heard it, too. Then Phil Wu sez: >Yes, I heard it also. She is supposedly the first "conscientious objector" >in the history of the Grammy awards. Sinead says she is doing it because of >the commercialism of the music industry as well as the war in the gulf. Does >anyone know anything more? Tracy Roberts (also from Santa Cruz!) sez: >Ron, I read it in the San Francisco Chronicle, if that substantiates >the rumor any. > >Frankly, my patience is starting wear thin with Sinead's postured >rebelliousness and anti-establishment-ism. Get a life, Sinead! >And stop taking yourself so damn seriously! But then she wouldn't be Sinead, eh? In the article in the Chronicle the reporter spoke to both SoC and some spokesman for the Grammies. Sinead basically said it made her kind of sick that all of these people get together in this fatuous, self-serving orgasm of ego stroking while people are getting shot. And I suppose I can see her point. The Grammies are basically fairly silly and trivial. They've a long history of rewarding the latest "hot" fad band, while neg- lecting really talented bands (How many awards will M.C. Hammer get? How many have the Replacements gotten?). But on the flip side, Sinead got her "first" exposure (minus, of course, all the people who were already listening to her) on the '89 Grammies show. The Grammies spokesman pointed this out. So it's not *all* crap. My guess is just that she felt bad about being part of something she saw as being superfluous, while everybody else was pretending it was some big deal. >I thought the spoof of her on SNL was *hilarious*. > >Tracy Yeah, it was pretty outrageous! Jan Hoek was the one who played her, right? BTW, did anyone hear something about SoC apologizing for not appearing on the SNL with Andrew Dice Clay? Apparently she later felt bad, and said that ADC had just as much right to be a macho ass as she did to be a belligerent femin- ist. -Echo The Potato-Salad-Eatin' Fool. INTERNET: rickh@metaware.com AT&T: (408) 427-9814 home UUCP: uunet!metaware!rickh (408) 429-6382 x3086 work Join the Flat-Fields mailing list! Bauhaus, Love-n-Rockets, and more! Send mail to Flat-Fields-Request@ucscb.ucsc.edu. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Feb 5 09:57:32 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA03759; Tue, 5 Feb 91 09:57:03 -0800 Received: from EDDIE.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA03755; Tue, 5 Feb 91 09:56:59 -0800 Received: by EDDIE.MIT.EDU (5.65+/25-eef) id AA20933; Tue, 5 Feb 91 12:56:29 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 91 12:56:29 -0500 From: Larry DeLuca Message-Id: <9102051756.AA20933@EDDIE.MIT.EDU> To: jitr Status: OR My own feelings about Sinead O'Connor's recent dislike for just about everything are very mixed. On the one hand, I can sympathize - to see oneself in a position of visibility can lead to feeling an incredible burden to try to influence events in the world as much as possible, and to try to make as many stands as possible on issues that are important. Furhter, I don't know how well I would deal with fame and fortune if it ever foisted itself upon me. On the other hand, however, the increasing disdain I feel for the music-industry-professional-turned-brat-princess slowly edges up even on my enjoyment of her music and her art. While it will be very difficult to diminish her stature as an artist in my eyes (at least from the point of view of her studio recordings), she behaves very badly much of the time. When I saw her on "The Lion and The Cobra" tour, she gave the audience her all - it was indeed stunning. The music spoke eloquently, and she said very little outside of that context. Now, however, she's turned in a great number of second-rate performances (including the abysmal _Saturday Night Live_ episode), walked off the stage for reasons ranging from "tired" to sheer boredom, and has on at least one occasion (the big NJ concert) put concert promoters on the spot in an extremely unfair way because of a whim. This is not to say that I feel the national anthem should be played before a concert - I found it as offensive and out-of-place as O'Connor did. However, if you feel so strongly about something such as that it does well to check out the situation beforehand - walking in five days before a show and issuing an ultimatim such as she did was blatantly unprofessional. The more causes she trumpets, the less her voice is heard for any of them. While she will always have some following, many fans voted with record sales after the 'Star-spangled banner' incident - "The Emperor's New Clothes" rapidly fell right off the charts. I like her music. I even agree with a lot of her politics. However, her unprofessional attitude will help neither her music nor her politics. larry... From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Feb 5 11:34:11 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA07041; Tue, 5 Feb 91 11:30:58 -0800 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA06976; Tue, 5 Feb 91 11:26:31 -0800 Resent-Message-Id: <9102051926.AA06976@presto.ig.com> Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Feb 91 11:26:30 -0800 Resent-From: mcb@presto.ig.com (Michael C. Berch) Subject: Fw: Grammy's Resent-To: jitr Received: from Merlin.Telcom.Arizona.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA03228; Tue, 5 Feb 91 09:46:24 -0800 Received: from argus.lpl.Arizona.EDU by Arizona.edu with PMDF#10282; Tue, 5 Feb 1991 10:46 MST Received: by argus.lpl.arizona.edu; Tue, 5 Feb 91 10:45:51 MST Date: Tue, 5 Feb 91 10:45:51 MST From: Matt Cheselka Subject: Grammy's To: jitr-request Message-Id: <9102051745.AA10976@argus.lpl.arizona.edu> X-Envelope-To: jitr-request@presto.ig.com Status: OR I have found that SOC and I share similar feelings about most everything...at least from what I've heard from her. We are also about the same age. That may not mean very much, but our viewpoints may be similar. In my opinion, she has every right to pull her name if she wants...and so does anyone else. With respect to her language, all I can say is that sometimes you have to say some pretty nasty things to get your point across. SOC's non-appearance at the Grammy's will never stop the Grammy's, but maybe with opinions like her's (and mine) some may think about the things she does say. What she needs to do is stay consistent. It is very hard to be consistent at our age, but it is possible. There is so much crap happening in the world. Some bad, but also quite a bit of good. The problem is that the bad seems more important to many people...and of course people need to see the good and the bad in order to make correct judgements. The problem is is that we almost always only see the bad...and none of the good. It is up to us to make the bad good and the good better. Three cheers for ANYONE who tries to do that...I lift my glass to Sinead O'Connor. Matt Cheselka From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Feb 5 17:45:44 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA22034; Tue, 5 Feb 91 17:44:18 -0800 Received: from brownvm.brown.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA22030; Tue, 5 Feb 91 17:44:16 -0800 Message-Id: <9102060144.AA22030@presto.ig.com> Received: from BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU by brownvm.brown.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5105; Tue, 05 Feb 91 20:44:34 EST Received: by BROWNVM (Mailer R2.07) id 1042; Tue, 05 Feb 91 20:44:34 EST Date: Tue, 05 Feb 91 20:43:53 EST From: ST101937@brownvm.brown.edu Subject: Re: Fw: Grammy's To: JITR Status: OR Does anyone know if SoC is working on a new album? From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Feb 5 18:55:53 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA24051; Tue, 5 Feb 91 18:55:16 -0800 Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA24047; Tue, 5 Feb 91 18:55:11 -0800 Received: from E40-008-9.MIT.EDU by ATHENA.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA22098; Tue, 5 Feb 91 21:55:10 EST From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Received: by e40-008-9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA14194; Tue, 5 Feb 91 21:55:06 -0500 Message-Id: <9102060255.AA14194@e40-008-9.MIT.EDU> To: jitr Subject: SOC,Grammies, etc Date: Tue, 05 Feb 91 21:55:04 EST Status: OR >From: ST101937@brownvm.brown.edu >Subject: Re: Fw: Grammy's > Does anyone know if SoC is working on a new album? Now that's a better question! Sinead is 24 years old. She happens to be talented and has an excellent voice. Why do people expect her to be 'perfect'? She has her whims and she basically humours the press and the whole world by being unpredictable. I have to admit that leaving a concert hall full of fans after 4 songs is really disgusting (did she really do that? What 4 songs had she played?) but she has the right to express her opinions, just like everybody else does. And people change. Sting in a recent Rolling Stone interview admitted that he was the "Sinead of his time", when asked about an interview he gave in the early 80's, where he said that his whole family was a bunch of losers... Now he regrets having said that. I'm sure that in 10 years from now, if Sinead is still around making music, she will have matured and realized that when the whole world was watching she should have been more careful with her mouth! But then maybe not. This is really a hopeless topic of discussion. And now a different question, that I should have asked about 10 days ago. What was the set list in 'The year of the horse'? Catch you later, Angelos From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Feb 6 03:59:18 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA04161; Wed, 6 Feb 91 03:58:25 -0800 Received: from mcsun.EU.net by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA04157; Wed, 6 Feb 91 03:58:01 -0800 Received: by mcsun.EU.net via EUnet; id AA02702 (5.65a/CWI-2.71); Wed, 6 Feb 91 12:57:21 +0100 Received: from swift by macneill.macneill.cs.tcd.ie id aa09317; 6 Feb 91 11:53 GMT Date: Wed, 6 Feb 91 11:50 GMT From: Glynn Anderson Subject: Sinead boycotting award ceremonies. To: jitr, GANDRSON@cs.tcd.ie X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" Message-Id: <9102061153.aa09317@macneill.macneill.cs.tcd.ie> Status: OR Sinead has now said she will boycott Ireland's national music award ceremony as well as the Grammys, in protest at the Gulf War and Ireland's support of the Allies. -- Glynn Anderson Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland. Telephone: +353-1-772941 ext 1097 FAX: +353-1-772204 Telex: 93782 TCD EI email: gpanderson@cs.tcd.ie or gpanderson%cs.tcd.ie@cunyvm.cuny.edu From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Feb 6 23:42:56 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA15233; Wed, 6 Feb 91 23:37:40 -0800 Received: from brownvm.brown.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA15229; Wed, 6 Feb 91 23:37:37 -0800 Message-Id: <9102070737.AA15229@presto.ig.com> Received: from BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU by brownvm.brown.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8962; Thu, 07 Feb 91 02:37:54 EST Received: by BROWNVM (Mailer R2.07) id 9761; Thu, 07 Feb 91 02:37:54 EST Date: Thu, 07 Feb 91 02:34:19 EST From: "John W. Bates" Subject: Tiny Toons To: JITR Status: OR As an aside to all the political argument going on here, I was watching "Tiny Toons" today. Babs Bunny was babysitting, and serving mashed potatoes to the brat. He insisted that she make it into a person, so she did. Then he complained that it was bald. So she said, "It's a Sinead O'Connor mashed potato person!" My roommate thought that was really funny. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Feb 12 12:56:47 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA00212; Tue, 12 Feb 91 12:54:37 -0800 Received: from trans.mhs.ac.uk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA00204; Tue, 12 Feb 91 12:54:30 -0800 Message-Id: <9102122054.AA00204@presto.ig.com> Received: from vax.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with SMTP inbound id <18541-13@sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk>; Tue, 12 Feb 1991 20:54:17 +0000 Received: from sun.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by vax.NSFnet-Relay.AC.UK via Janet with NIFTP id aa02846; 12 Feb 91 20:02 GMT Date: Tue Feb 12 14:42:42 GMT 1991 To: jitr <@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk:jitr@presto.ig.com> Subject: The Britts Awards From: balrog@tardis.computer-science.edinburgh.ac.uk Status: OR Did anyone see the Britts Awards last night? They were shown on English TV (and possibly elsewhere) and was just another one of those music award ceremonies... Sinead one best international female artist and the announcer then said 'Sinead unfortunately can't be with us tonight as she is in America... but as a tribute we will show this...' They then flashed Sinead's face up on the screen along with a very miniscule clip of Nothing Compares 2 U video and then the scene changed to Witney Houston singing the Star Spangled Banner! Why did they show this? They know the trouble Sinead caused over the ruddy anthem and then they show the anthem as a tribute - I bet if Sinead was watching the program she was furious - I know I felt sorry for her - it was just public humiliation (not sure if spelt that right!) Stuart (Sorry if the above doesn't sound right but I'm in a bit of a rush!) From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Feb 13 06:55:14 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA27403; Wed, 13 Feb 91 06:54:25 -0800 Received: from chaos.cs.brandeis.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA27398; Wed, 13 Feb 91 06:54:20 -0800 Received: by chaos.cs.brandeis.edu Wed, 13 Feb 91 09:54:43 est Date: Wed, 13 Feb 91 09:54:43 est From: "Adam J. Weitzman" Message-Id: <9102131454.AA25064@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> To: jitr Subject: Early Retirement? Status: OR An Irish radio station recently interviewed Sinead, and she said she's actuall considering retiring, or at least "taking many years off." I'll get the quote from the paper tomorrow, but it had something to do with being tired of being a celebrity. I'm worried. I'm gonna miss her... - Adam J Weitzman weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Feb 13 08:20:03 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA29911; Wed, 13 Feb 91 08:19:38 -0800 Received: from ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA29907; Wed, 13 Feb 91 08:19:35 -0800 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 91 11:20 EST From: V285RAAG@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Sinead To: jitr Message-Id: X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: jitr@presto.ig.COM X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" Status: OR Gee... did you hear that she is boycotting the Grammies. In protest of the war or something like that. Like, all of the sudden, she and every other international music star stopped performing in the United States President bush would recall all of the troopers and apologize to Saddam Hussein and invite him over for tea! Ugh! I can't stand this girl anymore. Nice voice, lousy stage presence, lousy politics... Papa Sm00sh From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Feb 13 09:13:37 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA02039; Wed, 13 Feb 91 09:12:49 -0800 Received: from its.rpi.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA02034; Wed, 13 Feb 91 09:12:45 -0800 Received: from sub.its.rpi.edu (jec401.its.rpi.edu) by its.rpi.edu (4.1/RPI-ITS-HUB17); id AA00306; Wed, 13 Feb 91 12:13:43 EST for jitr@presto.ig.com From: Ron Buckmire Received: by sub.its.rpi.edu (4.1/RPI-ITS-SUB12); id AA01888; Wed, 13 Feb 91 12:08:22 EST for rec.music.rpi.edu Date: Wed, 13 Feb 91 12:08:22 EST Message-Id: <9102131708.AA01888@sub.its.rpi.edu> To: jitr, rec.music.rpi.edu@rpi.edu Subject: SINEAD O'CONNOR news Status: OR Well, Sinead has swept the annual ROLLING STONE music critics poll AS WELL AS the Readers Poll. The magazine will be out next Monday with Sinead on the cover along with a [of course] candid interview. Sinead won FAVOURITE ALBUM, FAVOURITE FEMALE SINGER, BEST SINGLE OF THE YEAR for both the critics and the readers. Also, in a MTV News report they showed footage of Sinead explaining her decision not to attend the Grammy Award Ceremony, also of her CRYING as she tried to explain why she does the thngs she does and takes controversial positions on curent events. I presume there will be more details on THE WEEK IN ROCK on MTV Sat at 6pm EST. Ron Buckmire prince@rpitsmts.bitnet prince@pawl.rpi.edu uunet!pawl.rpi.edu!prince "Censorship in any form is bad. But censorship when it is really racism in disguise is even worse." - Sinead O'Connor, at the 1990 MTV Video Music Awards. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Feb 13 13:08:35 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA12040; Wed, 13 Feb 91 13:07:45 -0800 Received: from brownvm.brown.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA12036; Wed, 13 Feb 91 13:07:40 -0800 Message-Id: <9102132107.AA12036@presto.ig.com> Received: from BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU by brownvm.brown.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8353; Wed, 13 Feb 91 16:07:38 EST Received: from BROWNVM (SSDC2) by BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6377; Wed, 13 Feb 91 16:07:32 EST Date: Wed, 13 Feb 91 16:04:18 EST From: J Green Subject: grammys To: jitr Status: OR >From Jay Leno's mouth last night (hope I am quoting him right): "I heard Sinead O'Conner is boycotting the Grammys. Personally I think she shaves her head just a little *too* close!" jg From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Feb 13 13:54:40 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA13902; Wed, 13 Feb 91 13:54:14 -0800 Received: from remarque.Berkeley.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA13898; Wed, 13 Feb 91 13:54:11 -0800 Received: by remarque.berkeley.edu (4.1/1.31) id AA09393; Wed, 13 Feb 91 13:54:08 PST Message-Id: <9102132154.AA09393@remarque.berkeley.edu> To: jitr Subject: Re: From Jay Leno's butt last night In-Reply-To: J Green's message of Wed, 13 Feb 91 16:04:18 EST Reply-To: jitr@presto.ig.com Date: Wed, 13 Feb 91 13:54:02 -0800 From: Jym Dyer Status: OR ___ __ On the Indigo Girls mailing list it was decided that Jay _ Leno was a twit. He couldn't deal with the IGs intelli- gently. Perhaps he can't deal with any female artists intelligently. ___ __ Like I said, anybody who wants to be The New Johnny _ Carson *and* The New Bob Hope has *got* to be a twit. <_Jym_> From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Feb 13 15:34:13 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA18539; Wed, 13 Feb 91 15:33:17 -0800 Received: from uunet.UU.NET by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA18519; Wed, 13 Feb 91 15:32:59 -0800 Received: from metaware.UUCP by uunet.uu.net (5.61/1.14) with UUCP id AA21181; Wed, 13 Feb 91 18:32:33 -0500 Received: from sol.metaware.com by metaware.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA29676; Wed, 13 Feb 91 13:07:42 PST Received: by sol.metaware.com (4.0/SMI-4.0) id AA06543; Wed, 13 Feb 91 14:57:17 PST Date: Wed, 13 Feb 91 14:57:17 PST From: rickh@metaware.com (A mere flash in the pan) Message-Id: <9102132257.AA06543@sol.metaware.com> To: jitr, V285RAAG@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Sinead Status: OR >Gee... did you hear that she is boycotting the Grammies. In protest of the war >or something like that. > >Like, all of the sudden, she and every other international music star stopped >performing in the United States President bush would recall all of the troopers >and apologize to Saddam Hussein and invite him over for tea! > >Ugh! I can't stand this girl anymore. > > >Nice voice, lousy stage presence, lousy politics... > >Papa Sm00sh It happens . . . I think what she has said since the Grammies thing is more revealing as to her thinking. She's thinking of retiring because she's sick of the business. That doesn't mean she doesn't like to play and sing. She's tired of the fact that people are so ready to jump on her, admire her, bother her, etc. As for the effectiveness of her "ploy" to get Bush to recall the troops from the Gulf, I don't recall her ever mentioning that she expected her boycott to do that. Instead, she said that she couldn't envision a bunch of egomaniacs getting together to celebrate how cool they were while people were dying for a stupid cause. Besides, I don't expect my boycott of Domino's Pizza to cause them to withdraw their support of Operation Rescue. But I refuse to have any part of that organization. It's for my own piece of mind. So who are we to judge her actions in this case? Just leave it alone. // ---<--@ -Echo \X/ The Potato-Salad-Eatin' Fool. INTERNET: rickh@metaware.com AT&T: (408) 427-9814 home UUCP: uunet!ucscc!metaware!rickh (408) 429-6382 x3086 work Join the Flat-Fields mailing list! Bauhaus, Love-n-Rockets, and more! Write to Flat-Fields-Request@ucscb.ucsc.edu. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Feb 13 17:33:12 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA12040; Wed, 13 Feb 91 13:07:45 -0800 Received: from brownvm.brown.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA12036; Wed, 13 Feb 91 13:07:40 -0800 Message-Id: <9102132107.AA12036@presto.ig.com> Received: from BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU by brownvm.brown.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 8353; Wed, 13 Feb 91 16:07:38 EST Received: from BROWNVM (SSDC2) by BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6377; Wed, 13 Feb 91 16:07:32 EST Date: Wed, 13 Feb 91 16:04:18 EST From: J Green Subject: grammys To: jitr Status: OR >From Jay Leno's mouth last night (hope I am quoting him right): "I heard Sinead O'Conner is boycotting the Grammys. Personally I think she shaves her head just a little *too* close!" jg From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Feb 14 06:08:25 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA06393; Thu, 14 Feb 91 06:05:01 -0800 Received: from r2d2.jvnc.net by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA06386; Thu, 14 Feb 91 06:04:57 -0800 Received: by r2d2.jvnc.net (5.65/1.34) id AA27990; Thu, 14 Feb 91 09:04:54 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 91 09:04:54 -0500 From: becker@r2d2.jvnc.net (Brendan Becker) Message-Id: <9102141404.AA27990@r2d2.jvnc.net> To: jitr Subject: Apologies for last post Status: OR Hi. Sorry about that last post. I thought when I hit "r" my mailer would be sending my message to the originator not back to the refector. Oh well. --Brendan From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Feb 14 06:08:49 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA06187; Thu, 14 Feb 91 06:02:08 -0800 Received: from r2d2.jvnc.net by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA06180; Thu, 14 Feb 91 06:02:03 -0800 Received: by r2d2.jvnc.net (5.65/1.34) id AA27977; Thu, 14 Feb 91 09:01:59 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 91 09:01:59 -0500 From: becker@r2d2.jvnc.net (Brendan Becker) Message-Id: <9102141401.AA27977@r2d2.jvnc.net> To: jitr Subject: Re: From Jay Leno's butt last night Status: OR Hi Jym, An Indigo Girls mailing list?? I must've missed that one. Where to I sign up?? ---Brendan From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Feb 14 17:29:27 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA06834; Thu, 14 Feb 91 17:27:13 -0800 Received: from ucscc.UCSC.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA06830; Thu, 14 Feb 91 17:27:09 -0800 Received: by ucscc.UCSC.EDU (5.65/1.35) id AA01895; Thu, 14 Feb 91 17:28:03 -0800 Received: from romulan.sco.COM by viscous.sco.COM id aa11381; Thu, 14 Feb 91 16:56:17 PST Received: from gyroscop.sco.COM by romulan.sco.COM id aa10609; Thu, 14 Feb 91 16:51:42 PST From: Tracy Roberts X-Mailer: SCO System V Mail (version 3.2) To: jitr Subject: Re: From Jay Leno's butt last night Date: Thu, 14 Feb 91 16:50:58 PST Message-Id: <9102141650.aa21294@gyroscop.sco.COM> Status: OR How do I get on the Indigo Girls mailing list?? I didn't know one existed. Tracy uunet!sco!tracyr, tracyr@sco.com From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Feb 15 10:55:25 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA02243; Fri, 15 Feb 91 10:52:52 -0800 Received: from relay.cdnnet.ca by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA02225; Fri, 15 Feb 91 10:52:28 -0800 Received: by relay.CDNnet.CA (4.1/1.14) id AA22073; Fri, 15 Feb 91 10:52:15 PST Date: 15 Feb 91 10:51 -0800 From: Philip Wu To: jitr Message-Id: <9102151915712804*phwu@vancouver.osiware.bc.ca> Subject: Music Mailing List Status: OR Here's a music mailing list I picked up on the net. ================== ********************** List of MUSICAL MAILING LISTS ************************ Update as of 12/19/90 ** If anyone finds any more bands to be added to this list, feel free to ** ** send the address to me, and I'll be glad to update it and send it out. ** ** Or if anyone knows of any mistakes/changes, please let me know. ** Please feel free to forward this message to anyone you might think would want it. If anyone makes any changes, please send them to me! Send corrections/changes/etc. to: owen@euclid.enet.dec.com (1990...) or sowen@lynx.northeastern.edu (Jan'91-???) Thanks to all of you who sent me these addresses! It is much appreciated. BEFORE YOU SUBSCRIBE TO ANY OF THESE _PLEASE_ READ THE DISCLAIMER BELOW! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Subject List Manager/Contact ============================================================================== AC/DC trc@pollux.ucdavis.edu All music u6183%wvnvm.bitnet@vm1.nodak.edu Art of Noise aon-request@polyslo.calpoly.edu Blue Oyster Cult/Hawkwind swann@acsu.buffalo.edu Brass musicians brass-request@dinorah.wustl.edu Kate Bush love-hounds-request@gaffa.mit.edu Campus radio DJ's artabar%mtuss.bitnet@vm1.nodak.edu The Cure other-voices-request@bbn.com Duran Duran luljak@csd4.csd.uwm.edu Electronic Music eharnden%auvm.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu Fleetwood Mac brunyan%utmem2.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu 4AD listserv%jhuvm.bitnet Folk Dancing tjw@unix.cis.pitt.edu Peter Gabriel gabriel-request@casbah.acns.nwu.edu Peter Gabriel/Genesis jmacilwa@caen.engin.umich.edu Debbie Gibson ez000018@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu Grateful Dead dead-flames-request@virginia.edu Grateful Dead (impor. info) dead-heads-request@virginia.edu Grunge rock hilgreen@acsu.buffalo.edu Heavy Metal/Thrash thrash@metal.ebay.sun.com Japanese rock/pop jpop-request@wystan.bsd.uchicago.edu Jazz Butcher jbc-list-request@ab.ecn.purdue.edu Jethro Tull jtull-request@uiuc.edu Billy Joel haskell@acsu.buffalo.edu Roy Harper stormcock-request@cs.qmw.ac.uk Jimi Hendrix hey-joe-request@ms.uky.edu Indigo Girls indigo-request@athena.mit.edu Industrial music drdave@buhub.bradley.edu The Kinks otten@cincom.umd.edu Robin Lane robin-lane-request@cs.wpi.edu Led Zeppelin zeppelin-request@ux.acs.unm.edu Legendary Pink Dots cloud-zero-request@acc.stolaf.edu Manchester, UK music manchester-request@irss.njit.edu Marching arts (drum corps etc.) marching@poirot.gatech.edu Marillion go09+@andrew.cmu.edu Men Without Hats damatt01@ulkyvx.bitnet Metallica mk.lor@forsythe.stanford.edu Midnight Oil powderworks-request@boulder.colorado.edu Steve Morse and the Dixie Dregs blickstein@dregs.enet.dec.com Musicals musicals-request@world.std.com Music Library Association papakhi%iubvm.bitnet@vm1.nodak.edu Music research music-research-request@prg.oxford.ac.uk Network-Audio-Bits(reviews) murph@maine.bitnet New Music List nm-list-request@beach.cis.ufl.edu New Order/Joy Division ceremony-request@chsun1.uchicago.edu Sinead O'Connor jump-in-the-river-request@presto.ig.com Opera doria@suwatson.stanford.edu Alan Parsons Project burnett@mentor.cc.purdue.edu PC sound site list sound@ccb.ucsf.edu Pink Floyd eclipse-request@beach.cis.ufl.edu Pirate radio brewer@ace.dec.com Prince prince-request@icpsr.umich.edu Punk/Hardcore punk-list-request@tut.fi Rap,Funk,R&B,etc. funky-music-request@apollo.lap.upenn.edu R.E.M. valerie@athena.mit.edu Rush rush-request@syrinx.umd.edu San Fran Concerts List skoepke@violet.berkeley.edu Severed Heads/Ralph Records adolph-a-carrot-request+@andrew.cmu.edu Jane Siberry siberry-request@bfmny0.bfm.com The Smitherenes bono@andromeda.rutgers.edu Bruce Springsteen backstreets-request@virginia.edu Stagecraft (lighting etc.) stagecraft-request%cai@cs.utah.edu Tangerine Dream tadream-request@vacs.uwp.wisc.edu Top 10 prince@rpi.edu Vinyl Freaks info-vinyl-freaks-request@dartvax.uucp XTC chalkhills-request@presto.ig.com Yello yello-request@polyslo.calpoly.edu Yes/ABWH v111pbxx@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu OTHER INFO: As you can see, there seems to be TWO Peter Gabriel lists. Someone had told me that the old one had died, but alas it's still here. Someone let me know what happens with that, OK? Also, I personally would like to see a U2 list, but don't have the system resources... would anyone like to start one up? Reminder: I'm going back to school in January, so all mail AFTER DEC 28th should be sent to: sowen@lynx.northeastern.edu. Thanks. DISCLAIMER: I take no responsibility for incorrect addresses or dead lists. I'm only telling you what I've been told. Please don't ask me for further information about these lists, as I know as much as you do at this point. I don't know if all of these are still in existance or if they will accept any new members. Some of these lists are set up for automatic addition to the lists (listserv etc.), but I didn't have enough room for all the instructions, so I put the list managers address down. 'nuff said. _____ ///______________________________________________________________________ | /// Only Amiga makes it possible! | Music: Anything but slop 40 | |\\\/// Macintosh: pseudo productivity | Beer: Sam Adams Boston Lager | | \XX/ OS/2: half an operating system | Major: Mechanical Engineering | |---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | |Steve | owen@euclid.enet.dec.com(Now-Dec)| "Cool your jets man!"-Bart takes | |Owen | sowen@lynx.northeastern.edu(Jan+)| Heat Transfer and Fluid Dynamics | -------------------------All normal disclaimers apply-------------------------- From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sun Feb 17 18:57:56 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA14938; Sun, 17 Feb 91 18:56:50 -0800 Received: from its.rpi.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA14934; Sun, 17 Feb 91 18:56:48 -0800 Received: from sub.its.rpi.edu (jec420.its.rpi.edu) by its.rpi.edu (4.1/RPI-ITS-HUB17); id AA16642; Sun, 17 Feb 91 21:57:07 EST for jitr@presto.ig.com From: Ron Buckmire Received: by sub.its.rpi.edu (4.1/RPI-ITS-SUB12); id AA02527; Sun, 17 Feb 91 21:55:38 EST for rec.music.misc@rpi.edu Date: Sun, 17 Feb 91 21:55:38 EST Message-Id: <9102180255.AA02527@sub.its.rpi.edu> To: madonna@athena.mit.edu Subject: Info from ROLLING STONE Cc: jitr, rec.music.misc@rpi.edu Status: OR Oh, I made a mistake when I said that Sinead had won best single in the readers poll. She won that in the critics' poll. But the Readers Poll favourite wen to Madonna's "Vogue". Madonna did rather well this year, also getting "Best Tour","Sexiest Female","Best Dressed Female" in the Readers Poll as well as Best Video [Justify My Love] in the critics poll. Sinead did win best album,best single, best female artist [critics] and fave album and fave female artist with the readers, but she also "won" worst female singer with the readers of ROLLING STONE, also. I can't remember the rest. RON BUCKMIRE Association To Save Sinead O'Connor From Herself [New York Chapter] 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. "1991: YEAR OF THE QUEER" uunet!rpi.edu!prince||prince@rpitsmts.bitnet||prince@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910 From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Feb 19 21:00:16 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA05402; Tue, 19 Feb 91 20:56:37 -0800 Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA05398; Tue, 19 Feb 91 20:56:34 -0800 Received: from E40-008-9.MIT.EDU by ATHENA.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA05862; Tue, 19 Feb 91 23:56:30 EST From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Received: by e40-008-9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA20193; Tue, 19 Feb 91 23:56:26 -0500 Message-Id: <9102200456.AA20193@e40-008-9.MIT.EDU> To: jitr Subject: Sinead on Arsenio Date: Tue, 19 Feb 91 23:56:24 EST Status: OR Hi, Well, I know it's too late to announce this, but in case you missed it, Sinead appeared on the Arsenio Hall show tonight, and talked about the various stuff she's said that have made her the center of controversy. These issues included the Grammies, the Prince threats (she wouldn't talk about this, but she said that she is not known to be a liar), and the Rolling Stone poll results and interview. She wasn't shy at all (like the time she appeared singing 'You do something to me') and was constantly asking Arsenio to go out with her. She sang a song called 'Irish ways and Irish laws' a capella. It was really great! Is this an old irish folk song, or a new Sinead song? Angelos PS. Can you believe that she thinks she's ugly??!?!?!?!? From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Feb 19 21:26:00 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA06108; Tue, 19 Feb 91 21:23:21 -0800 Received: from remarque.Berkeley.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA06102; Tue, 19 Feb 91 21:23:18 -0800 Received: by remarque.berkeley.edu (4.1/1.31) id AA01343; Tue, 19 Feb 91 21:23:12 PST Message-Id: <9102200523.AA01343@remarque.berkeley.edu> To: jitr Subject: Re: Sinead on Arsenio In-Reply-To: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu's message of Tue, 19 Feb 91 23:56:24 EST Reply-To: jitr@presto.ig.com Date: Tue, 19 Feb 91 21:23:09 -0800 From: Jym Dyer Status: OR ___ __ Fortunately, 23:56:24 EST is 20:56:24 PST, so some of us may _ indeed find your message timely. If we had TVs, that is. :-) <_Jym_> From weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu Wed Feb 20 08:08:52 1991 Received: from chaos.cs.brandeis.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA18760; Wed, 20 Feb 91 08:08:05 -0800 Received: by chaos.cs.brandeis.edu Wed, 20 Feb 91 11:08:29 est Date: Wed, 20 Feb 91 11:08:29 est From: "Adam J. Weitzman" Message-Id: <9102201608.AA14307@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> To: jitr-request, jitr Subject: Re: Sinead on Arsenio Status: OR OK, who's got a copy of this on a hi-fi VCR so that they can make an audio copy of the song that she sang for me? IT WAS BEAUTIFUL! I was in tears by the end. Somebody must have a copy... - Adam J Weitzman weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Feb 20 10:49:08 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA24994; Wed, 20 Feb 91 10:46:13 -0800 Received: from Larry.McRCIM.McGill.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA24985; Wed, 20 Feb 91 10:46:08 -0800 Received: from xurilka by Larry.McRCIM.McGill.EDU (5.61) with UUCP id <9102201846.AA10314@Larry.McRCIM.McGill.EDU>; Wed, 20 Feb 91 13:46:00 -0500 Received: by xurilka.UUCP (UUPC/extended 1.07j); Wed, 20 Feb 91 13:29:18 EDT Message-Id: <27c2bffe@xurilka.UUCP> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 91 13:29:18 EDT From: Phong Co Organization: dada Indugu Inc. To: "Sinead" Subject: Re: Arsenio Status: OR From: mcgill-vision!athena.mit.edu!kyrlidis => =>Sinead appeared on the Arsenio Hall show tonight, and talked about the =>various stuff she's said that have made her the center of controversy. =>These issues included the Grammies, the Prince threats (she wouldn't =>talk about this, but she said that she is not known to be a liar), =>and the Rolling Stone poll results and interview. Yes, I happened to catch that (I rarely watch Arsenio). =>She wasn't shy at all (like the time she appeared singing 'You do something =>to me') and was constantly asking Arsenio to go out with her. I was impressed with her ability to speak frankly and get her point across. She seems to understand what she's doing and why. I know many people (myself included) wondered "Why American Music Awards but not Grammies?" Her answer was that the AMAs was what really convinced her that the whole affair was a hoax. This is plausible, but it will not deter her critics. She said that she wanted to see whether anyone would speak out against the war, other than "Peace in the Middle East". This, too, shows she has strong convictions, but in this case maybe she is expecting too much. Nobody thinks war is fun. Regardless, some people feel that this war is necessary, and some do not. In an awards show, people are being honored as artists, and their opinions on the war are irrelevant. It may make one think less of them as people if they hold different views, but it does not nessarily make the industry bogus and hypocritical. I caught Sinead on Entertainment Tonight also, and she is not a bad person at all, but she refuses to play by the media's and the establishment's rules, and as a result is labelled "bratty" and "arrogant". Walking out of concerts halfway don't help, either. By her own admission, she is honest, maybe too much so, and will have a hard time becoming a media darling. =>She sang a song called 'Irish ways and Irish laws' a capella. It was =>really great! Is this an old irish folk song, or a new Sinead song? I liked the song too. I think it is fairly new. She didn't perform it in Montreal, and I've never heard it mentioned. She mentioned on ET that she was totally sick of the music business, and would probably never make another album. Anyone have anything on this? =>Angelos => =>PS. Can you believe that she thinks she's ugly??!?!?!?!? => I liked what she said about every woman at some point feels like a dog. I remember that on the Sun City benefit record (1986, I think), there is a picture of her with long hair. Quite a difference. My friend once said that you've got to be damned good-looking to survive being bald, and Sinead is surviving very well. Phong. PS: Can anyone talk about the Rolling Stone polls? I don't want to have to BUY the thing :-) -- ========================================================================= Phong T. Co | I wrapped my fear around me like a blanket chryses@xurilka.UUCP | Sailed my ship of safety 'till I sank it dada Indugu Inc. | I'm crawling on your shores Montreal, CANADA | -- Emily Saliers From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Feb 21 06:16:31 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA28355; Thu, 21 Feb 91 06:13:19 -0800 Received: from mcsun.EU.net by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA28345; Thu, 21 Feb 91 06:13:08 -0800 Received: from kestrel.ukc.ac.uk by mcsun.EU.net with SMTP; id AA10110 (5.65a/CWI-2.74); Thu, 21 Feb 91 15:12:53 +0100 Message-Id: <9102211412.AA10110@mcsun.EU.net> Received: from axion.bt.co.uk by kestrel.Ukc.AC.UK via PSS (UKC CAMEL FTP) id aa11657; 21 Feb 91 14:06 GMT Received: from bt-web.bt.co.uk by zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk id <28158-0@zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk>; Thu, 21 Feb 1991 12:49:43 +0000 X-Vms-To: R11F::PRESTO.IG.COM::JITR To: jitr From: katz_p_m@bt-web.bt.co.uk Subject: _Irish ways and Irish laws_ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 1991 12:49:44 +0000 Status: OR From: NAME: Philip Katz [RT1264] FUNC: RT1264 TEL: 0473-645672 To: JITR@PRESTO.IG.COM@UNET A few people on this list have asked about a song called _Irish ways and Irish laws_, which Sinead sank on some yank TV program. As far as I know, this is a Christy Moore song, and I suspect that he may have recorded it with Moving Hearts rather than solo. Yet again, it looks as if Sinead O'Conor's talents are as a singer (and spokeman for her generation?!) rather than as a songwriter. This is sad, as almost all long-term *major* talents tend to write their own material. Philip From weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu Thu Feb 21 06:58:49 1991 Received: from chaos.cs.brandeis.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA29619; Thu, 21 Feb 91 06:58:23 -0800 Received: by chaos.cs.brandeis.edu Thu, 21 Feb 91 09:58:47 est Date: Thu, 21 Feb 91 09:58:47 est From: "Adam J. Weitzman" Message-Id: <9102211458.AA05837@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> To: jitr-request, jitr Subject: Re: _Irish ways and Irish laws_ Status: OR I happen to think that Sinead is a fantastic songwriter. Did you notice "NC2U" is really an anomaly on her last record? It really doesn't fit in with the rest of it. But all the songs she did write are great, I think "NC2U" is my least favorite of hers. I think she's very talented, songwriting-wise and singing-wise. So there. Phhhhhht :-) - Adam J Weitzman weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu PS Read "The Last Days of Our Acquaintance" if you don't believe me. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Feb 21 09:32:53 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA04452; Thu, 21 Feb 91 09:29:50 -0800 Received: from silver.ucs.indiana.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA04446; Thu, 21 Feb 91 09:29:46 -0800 Message-Id: <9102211729.AA04446@presto.ig.com> Received: by silver.ucs.indiana.edu (5.57/9.2jsm) id AA10600; Thu, 21 Feb 91 12:29:40 -0500 To: jitr Subj: Oh, come *on*! Date: Thu, 21 Feb 91 12:29:39 EST From: jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu Status: OR For some reason, Philip Katz writes: >Yet again, it looks as if Sinead O'Conor's talents are as a singer >(and spokeman for her generation?!) rather than as a songwriter. >This is sad, as almost all long-term *major* talents tend to write >their own material. Um, I hate to ask a stupid question, but haven't you ever listened to _The Lion And the Cobra_? If you have, how can you make such a statement? What do two covers that she happens to have done have anything to do with her skills as a songwriter? Of course, Kate Bush has been known to do a cover here and there. I guess her talents are as a singer, not as a songwriter as well, right? I don't think any of us need these weird, unrealistic overgeneralizations. Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "At night they're seen | |jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu | Laughing, loving, | |jburka@amber.ucs.indiana.edu | They know the way to be happy" --KaTe | From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Feb 21 10:35:17 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA06966; Thu, 21 Feb 91 10:31:32 -0800 Received: from CORNELLC.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA06942; Thu, 21 Feb 91 10:31:25 -0800 Received: from snypotva.bitnet by CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.2MX) with BSMTP id 3885; Thu, 21 Feb 91 13:32:13 EST Date: Thu, 21 Feb 91 12:58 EDT From: "MYKEL C. RUVOLA, BRAIN DRAIN" Subject: _Irish wasys and Irish laws_(AGAIN) To: jitr Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: jitr@presto.ig.COM X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" Status: OR SOC played this song at SARATOGA (1st show after the SSB trouble). She also played a song about Jake, and some other material that she said was new She put on a great show and played for about 2 hours, when the show ended she just danced around the stage for another 1/2 watching everyone leave. The next show on this tour-->DARIEN LAKE. She played for 1/2 an hour and yelled at he r fans the whole time. This woman is SCHIZO. I am becoming (along with many others) dis-heartened by her antics. NOW I'M FEELING ZOMBIFIED--MYKEL From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Feb 21 12:14:19 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA12297; Thu, 21 Feb 91 12:11:02 -0800 Received: from Sun.COM by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA12290; Thu, 21 Feb 91 12:10:57 -0800 Received: from sun.Eng.Sun.COM (sun-bb.Corp.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29778; Thu, 21 Feb 91 12:10:54 PST Received: from legato.UUCP by sun.Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08087; Thu, 21 Feb 91 12:10:49 PST Received: from ys by Legato.COM (4.0/SMI-4.0) id AA20582 for jitr@presto.ig.com; Thu, 21 Feb 91 12:04:30 PST Message-Id: <9102212004.AA20582@Legato.COM> To: jitr Subject: Re: _Irish wasys and Irish laws_(AGAIN) In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 21 Feb 91 12:58:00 -0400. Date: Thu, 21 Feb 91 12:05:22 PST From: richardt@legato.com Status: OR > This woman is SCHIZO. The woman isn't allowed to get sick? Frazzled? Shagged out after a prolonged squawk? Come on, guys, get a life. Has the thought ever even glanced off your mind that maybe, just maybe, Miss O'Connor was a real person just like you, with opinions, hopes, bad days, and the like? Or are you just unhappy because you paid to be entertained, not to interact with another human being? RichardT From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Feb 21 13:19:05 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA16099; Thu, 21 Feb 91 13:16:14 -0800 Received: from hpcndcf.cnd.hp.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA16091; Thu, 21 Feb 91 13:16:07 -0800 Message-Id: <9102212116.AA16091@presto.ig.com> Received: from hpcndbi.cnd.hp.com by hpcndcf.cnd.hp.com with SMTP (16.6/CND HUB 15.6) id AA09078; Thu, 21 Feb 91 14:17:59 -0700 Received: by hpcndbi.cnd.hp.com (15.11/15.5) id AA14365; Thu, 21 Feb 91 14:16:55 mst From: Neal Bauer Subject: Re: bad days To: jitr Date: Thu, 21 Feb 91 14:16:52 MST Mailer: Elm [revision: 64.9] Status: OR > Or are you just unhappy because you paid to be entertained, not to > interact with another human being? I for one would be *pissed* if I went to see her perform and she played for only 30 minutes. Concerts are expensive. If she doesn't feel up to performing, then she should cancel the show. Period. Giving a shitty performance is unprofessional, unacceptable, and shows a complete lack of consideration for her fans. Neal From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Feb 21 23:11:55 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA04062; Thu, 21 Feb 91 23:09:00 -0800 Received: from CORNELLC.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA04058; Thu, 21 Feb 91 23:08:57 -0800 Received: from snypotva.bitnet by CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.2MX) with BSMTP id 6674; Fri, 22 Feb 91 02:09:56 EST Date: Fri, 22 Feb 91 02:06 EDT From: "MYKEL C. RUVOLA, BRAIN DRAIN" Subject: RE:RE:_Irish ways and Irish laws(again) To: jitr Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: jitr@presto.ig.COM X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" Status: OR I agrea totally with NEAL...Concerts Are EXPENSIVE! If she didn't feel well enough to play...She should have cancelled. Then at least people would have gotten their money back..I'm not saying that SOC is out for cash , in fact I believe thats not her purpose whatsoever...but SOC made MUCHOS DENARO for 1/2 an hour worth of yelling at people who came to hear her sing. She's TOO MUCH...Total CRY BABY. I think she has a VERY loyal following who will overlook things in her that would Total PISS them off in any other artist(except mabye Robert Smith). Don't be so BLIND PEOPLE..I love SOC, but She has a tendency to be TEDIOUS. -MYKEL From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Feb 22 07:07:34 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA10857; Fri, 22 Feb 91 07:04:14 -0800 Received: from ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA10851; Fri, 22 Feb 91 07:04:11 -0800 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 91 10:05 EST From: V285RAAG@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Sign-add's antics and lousy concerts\ To: jitr Message-Id: X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: jitr@presto.ig.com X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" Status: OR > > The next show on this tour-->DARIEN LAKE. She played for 1/2 an hour and > yelled at her fans the whole time. This woman is SCHIZO. > > I am becoming (along with many others) dis-heartened by her antics. > NOW I'M FEELING ZOMBIFIED--MYKEL I'm glad to say that I now know that I am not the only one out here that likes her muic but is totally put off by her self. She spent more time yelling at us (at Darien) than she did anything else. (i.e. look, if you want me to sing I have to be able to hear myself, so just shut the fuck up. -which made the crowd louder, and turned me off even more). The person I was with defended her by saying that she needed the quiet to be able to sing. That it's difficult to sing acapella by yourself when the crowds noisey... I say turn up her damn earphones! And the lifelessness of her "waving" while she sang (I use the term 'waving' instead of dancing because that's what it looked like she was trying to do- wave at us with her body) was really clumsy looking. This was also defended by the person I was with by saying that she couldn't be too aerobic in her dancing or else she wouldn't have been able to sing very well. To which I said... If she can't dance well on stage, then she shouldn't dance at all. If she wants to have dancers, fine. If she wants to focus on her vocals, fine. But when she does STUPID dance moves _and_ doesn't display much of an ambience in her show... there are a lot of people who are not going to like the show, and there were. I will never go to another sign-add concert, even though this one was free for me. I will never pay out $20 to see her perform, it ruins it, I like the albums (cds) much better. Of course if she's serious about retiring, I won't have to worry, will I? papa sm00sh v285raag@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu jadahlin@acsu.cc.buffalo From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Feb 22 09:17:17 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA12262; Fri, 22 Feb 91 08:02:55 -0800 Received: from hpcndcf.cnd.hp.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA12258; Fri, 22 Feb 91 08:02:52 -0800 Message-Id: <9102221602.AA12258@presto.ig.com> Received: from hpcndbi.cnd.hp.com by hpcndcf.cnd.hp.com with SMTP (16.6/CND HUB 15.6) id AA10341; Fri, 22 Feb 91 09:04:43 -0700 Received: by hpcndbi.cnd.hp.com (15.11/15.5) id AA16244; Fri, 22 Feb 91 09:03:46 mst From: Neal Bauer Subject: dancing? To: jitr Date: Fri, 22 Feb 91 9:03:43 MST Mailer: Elm [revision: 64.9] Status: OR > dancing or else she wouldn't have been able to sing very well. To which I > said... If she can't dance well on stage, then she shouldn't dance at all. If > she wants to have dancers, fine. If she wants to focus on her vocals, fine. > But when she does STUPID dance moves _and_ doesn't display much of an ambience > in her show... there are a lot of people who are not going to like the show, > and there were. I go to hear her sing. I don't care if she "dances" like Joe Cocker. If you want to see a dancer, go to the ballet. Neal From dione@abraxas.lpl.arizona.edu Fri Feb 22 09:37:53 1991 Received: from Merlin.Telcom.Arizona.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA15290; Fri, 22 Feb 91 09:37:47 -0800 Received: from argus.lpl.Arizona.EDU by Arizona.edu with PMDF#10282; Fri, 22 Feb 1991 10:37 MST Received: from abraxas.lpl.arizona.edu.lpl-astronomy by argus.lpl.arizona.edu; Fri, 22 Feb 91 10:37:12 MST Received: from achilles.lpl.arizona.edu.lpl-astronomy by abraxas.lpl.arizona.edu.lpl-astronomy (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA06084; Fri, 22 Feb 91 10:37:21 MST Date: Fri, 22 Feb 91 10:37:21 MST From: dione@abraxas.lpl.arizona.edu (Matt Cheselka) To: jitr-request Message-Id: <9102221737.AA06084@abraxas.lpl.arizona.edu.lpl-astronomy> X-Envelope-To: jitr-request@presto.ig.com Status: OR SOC - Music and Life I figure it's about time to make a few statments about everything I've been reading, seeing, and hearing from SOC. Let me tell you where I stand first. SOC and I share very similar viewpoints on everything. This world sucks. But of course everyone knows that. But in the midst of all this crap, there is wonderful beauty not only in the natuaral world but also in ourselves. But we must face problems becuase they are part of our lives and our world. SOC is not only pointing out the problems, but also trying to DO SOMETHING about them. Can't any of you see that SOC is not only a musician, but also a person who really cares for the human race? Are YOU doing anything about them? I myself like the quite approach to solving the problems. Like putting up posters on recylable paper, or calling lawmakers if I see corruption in politics, or not buying a product because it kills animals, trees, etc. I like doing the little things becuase I know I'll never be in SOC's position to have a microphone and millions of people to talk to. My favorite slogan is: ACT LOCAL, THINK GLOBAL. I sympathise with the people who are pissed that SOC abused her right as a performer to perform. BUT, let me point out to you that the people who were making the noise obviously did not want to hear her anyway, otherwise they'd be quite enough to let her sing. Singing in front of a crowd is the same as making a speech...you just sing it. SOC has things to tell people...if they don't listen but want to pay for it, then that's their tough luck. I'm sorry that she is unable to make her statements. The problem is that some people like SOC only for her music, and some like her only for her "antics". Do you know what I like best about her? She gets people PISSED at her. (I'm using pissed in the american context of getting really mad...for all you brits who get pissed for other reasons) She makes strong statements. She takes a stand. She does not budge. If I were making a speech and everyone was talking or screaming like wild animals, I'd also try to quite you down...once. Then I'd say fuck off, too. You don't want to listen to me so I'll just go tell someone else. Probably most of the people at these concerts are drunk anyway...so what do they care? At least until the morning after when they say, "Hey man, she took our money...i don't like that!" To you I say "get a life" and "find youself, you need professional help." It is very hard for a person of 24 to make a stand like she has...and make such an incredible impact. I'm 22 and feel as though I'm sluggish about things like making a stand on strong issues. But she inspires me. I'm glad that someone is conking everyone on the head and telling them to, "wake up, go outside, and wish someone a good morning." If people just had respect for each other we could really start down a good road. But of course there will always be the "really intelligent" ones who ruin it for everyone else. You know who you should be mad at in these concerts? The person or person's making the most noise. What kind of idiocy is it to yell louder when you're asked to quite down? You make me sick. You act like 4 year olds. Grow up and jump into the real world... If you don't like SOC, don't bother to tell me...it wastes my time. This is a mailing list for SOC fans...for her music and her ideas. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Feb 22 10:14:49 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA16485; Fri, 22 Feb 91 10:11:21 -0800 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA16480; Fri, 22 Feb 91 10:11:19 -0800 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 1991 10:11:17 PST From: John M. Relph Subject: Re: Sign-add's antics and lousy concerts\ In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 22 Feb 91 10:05 EST To: jitr Message-Id: Status: OR >The person I was with defended her by saying that she needed the quiet to be >able to sing. That it's difficult to sing acapella by yourself when the crowds >noisey... I say turn up her damn earphones! This kind of attitude happens to be one that I personally dislike. A person in the audience will pay quite a tidy sum of money to get a ticket to a LIVE concert, one in which the artist will get up there in person to perform his or her art works. In this case it's music that's the question. Now how do you suppose the people in the audience are supposed to HEAR the music being performed if they are all yelling and screaming and applauding and whistling? The simple answer is: they can't. And in fact they aren't interested in the music at all. If they were, they would be respectfully quiet and attentive while the performer sings, and hold their applause for the space between the songs. No, what's happening here is that the audience members see an icon on stage, one that only represents the idea of the music. So they need to yell and scream in an attempt to say, "Yo, pop icon mama! I'm down here and I really like your record. Please look at me!" The audience is there just to be FANS, not to actually be part of the performance. They show a total lack of respect for the performer. If one wants to yell and scream during a performer's songs, watch the video, talk over the album while it plays, but if one is actually going to shell out for an expensive LIVE concert, one should give the performers some respect: be quiet while they play and sing. After all, if you were on Broadway at a play, you'd be thrown out if you acted like a typical Bon Jovi fan. Now I don't necessarily agree with Sinead on all her points of protest, but I definitely agree with her on this one. And I know audiences are capable of attentive listening. I've seen it happen and I've done it myself. Just because an artist sells five quadzillion records doesn't mean you need to scream and shout while they sing. Damn. This sounds like a flame. Oh well. It's how I feel. -- John -- If you are interested in joining an XTC mailing list, drop a line to chalkhills-request@presto.ig.com. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Feb 22 10:22:39 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA16585; Fri, 22 Feb 91 10:17:53 -0800 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA16580; Fri, 22 Feb 91 10:17:47 -0800 Message-Id: <9102221817.AA16580@presto.ig.com> Received: from tardis.computer-science.edinburgh.ac.uk by sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk via JANET with NIFTP id <12078-0@sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk>; Fri, 22 Feb 1991 13:13:40 +0000 Date: Fri Feb 22 13:11:26 GMT 1991 To: jitr <@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk:jitr@presto.ig.com> Subject: Lyrics From: balrog@tardis.computer-science.edinburgh.ac.uk Status: OR Where can I get ciopopies to the lyrics to all Sinead's songs?? (Not second album as the lyrics come with this) Could someone please mail me details but :don't: mail me the lyrics yet - I don't want twenty people all mailing me the same thing! Stuart From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Feb 22 11:41:52 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA19751; Fri, 22 Feb 91 11:36:34 -0800 Received: from uunet.UU.NET by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA19746; Fri, 22 Feb 91 11:36:31 -0800 Received: from world.std.com by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA28041; Fri, 22 Feb 91 14:35:51 -0500 Received: by world.std.com (5.61+++/Spike-2.0) id AA19271; Fri, 22 Feb 91 14:35:17 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 91 14:35:17 -0500 From: eliz@world.std.com (Elizabeth Lear Newman) Message-Id: <9102221935.AA19271@world.std.com> To: jitr Subject: Re: Lyrics Status: OR I keep all the lyrics to both albums on-line, and am usually the one to mail them out, I think. ...eliz (I'm the one who transcribed tLatC) From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Feb 22 12:11:59 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA20872; Fri, 22 Feb 91 12:06:15 -0800 Received: from prodigal.psych.rochester.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA20868; Fri, 22 Feb 91 12:06:09 -0800 Received: by prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (4.1/1.16) id AA05368; Fri, 22 Feb 91 15:07:39 EST Date: Fri, 22 Feb 91 15:07:39 EST From: Derek "affix" Gross Message-Id: <9102222007.AA05368@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu> To: jitr Subject: Sinead and concert etiquette Cc: derek@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu Status: OR >>And the lifelessness of her "waving" while she sang (I use the term 'waving' >>instead of dancing because that's what it looked like she was trying to do- >>wave at us with her body) was really clumsy looking. This was also defended >>by the person I was with by saying that she couldn't be too aerobic in her >>dancing or else she wouldn't have been able to sing very well. To which I >>said... If she can't dance well on stage, then she shouldn't dance at all. >>If she wants to have dancers, fine. If she wants to focus on her vocals, >>fine. Go to a Paula Abdul concert next time, or stay home and watch her on MTV, which amounts to the same thing. >>The person I was with defended her by saying that she needed the quiet to be >>able to sing. That it's difficult to sing acapella by yourself when the >>crowds noisey... I say turn up her damn earphones! > >Now how do you suppose the people in the audience are supposed to HEAR the >music being performed if they are all yelling and screaming and applauding >and whistling? The simple answer is: they can't. And in fact they aren't >interested in the music at all. If they were, they would be respectfully >quiet and attentive while the performer sings, and hold their applause for >the space between the songs. If it were all yelling and screaming and applauding and whistling, that would be one thing. I was at this concert, about fifteen feet from the stage, and there were people around me chatting, not paying attention to the music, for much of the show. I have no idea what they were doing there, or why they paid $17 to see someone whose music they weren't interested in, but I don't see how you can criticize Sinead for getting angry at them for making the show more difficult for her and less enjoyable for the rest of us. Just so nobody thinks I'm an uncritical Sinead-worshipper, I'll point out that Sinead's idea of adding depth and passion to a live rendition of a song seems to be adding "fuckin'" at key points in the lyrics, which doesn't impress me much. -- Derek Gross "... Beans. Baked beans. Quality. ..." derek@psych.rochester.edu - Bob Dylan From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Feb 22 12:18:05 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA20907; Fri, 22 Feb 91 12:09:52 -0800 Received: from PO2.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA20903; Fri, 22 Feb 91 12:09:48 -0800 Received: by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for jitr@presto.ig.com; Fri, 22 Feb 91 15:09:33 EST Received: via switchmail; Fri, 22 Feb 91 15:09:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from claysburg.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 22 Feb 91 15:08:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from claysburg.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 22 Feb 91 15:08:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mms.0.1.813.EzMail.1.1.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.claysburg.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.claysburg.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_r3; Fri, 22 Feb 91 15:08:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 22 Feb 91 15:08:22 -0500 (EST) From: "William M. Bumgarner" To: jitr Subject: Short Concerts... Cc: Status: OR I saw Sinead last summer in Pittsburgh-- the concert was about 50 minutes. Too short. BUT: I have never seen a more emotional performance in my life... "Last day of our acquaintance" left no one without tears on their face. She left at the end saying she didn't feel terribly well; with a performance like she gave, I could understand why-- she looked very tired at the end. Though the concert was short, I would have paid twice that amount to see her perform... it was quite incredible. Then again, I've always preferred quality over quantity. b.bum b.bumgarner | Disclaimer: All opinions expressed are my own. wb1j+@andrew.cmu.edu | I officially don't represent anyone unless I NeXT Campus Consultant | explicity say I am doing so. So there. "I ride tandem with the random/Things don't run the way I planned them.." From weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu Fri Feb 22 12:50:12 1991 Received: from chaos.cs.brandeis.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA21814; Fri, 22 Feb 91 12:49:12 -0800 Received: by chaos.cs.brandeis.edu Fri, 22 Feb 91 15:49:14 est Date: Fri, 22 Feb 91 15:49:14 est From: "Adam J. Weitzman" Message-Id: <9102222049.AA09391@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> To: jitr-request, jitr Subject: Re: Sinead and concert etiquette Cc: derek@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu Status: OR [about adding "fuckin'" at key points in the lyrics when perfoming live] What're you talking about? When I saw her (Orpheum, Boston, 2nd show in May), the only time she swore was during the encore of "Troy," where at the end she whispered "You're still a fucking liar," which to me seemed to work pretty well. I'm glad I wasn't forced to sit through one of those bad concerts she put on; I got a great one. Luck of the draw, I guess (Hugh Harris was still her opener at the time, which might have had something to do with her mood), although I like to think that a) she could tell the audience was much more appreciative of her, or b) she remembered where she was. Boston is the place she sold out club shows on four consecutive nights within a matter of hours ON HER LION AND THE COBRA TOUR, BEFORE SHE GOT THIS POPULAR. (Didn't get to see any of these, you had to be 21.) As far as I know, when she's on she's ON! - Adam J Weitzman weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (BTW, tickets for those two shows in May sold out in 45min. I was SO LUCKY!) From weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu Fri Feb 22 12:51:52 1991 Received: from chaos.cs.brandeis.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA21919; Fri, 22 Feb 91 12:50:52 -0800 Received: by chaos.cs.brandeis.edu Fri, 22 Feb 91 15:51:15 est Date: Fri, 22 Feb 91 15:51:15 est From: "Adam J. Weitzman" Message-Id: <9102222051.AA09484@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> To: jitr-request, jitr Subject: Re: Short Concerts... Status: OR Oh, yeah, and it was 95min long, too. I guess I was REALLY lucky, huh :-) - Adam J Weitzman weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (The only bad thing was she didn't do "Drink Before the War," which is STILL my favorite SO'C song.) From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Feb 22 13:29:40 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA23053; Fri, 22 Feb 91 13:19:14 -0800 Received: from uunet.UU.NET by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA23039; Fri, 22 Feb 91 13:18:52 -0800 Received: from metaware.UUCP by uunet.UU.NET with UUCP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA28018; Fri, 22 Feb 91 16:18:44 -0500 Received: from sol.metaware.com by metaware.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA01044; Fri, 22 Feb 91 08:16:52 PST Received: by sol.metaware.com (4.0/SMI-4.0) id AA24262; Fri, 22 Feb 91 11:52:05 PST Date: Fri, 22 Feb 91 11:52:05 PST From: rickh@metaware.com (Don't ya wanna hang out with the Bleach Boys, baby) Message-Id: <9102221952.AA24262@sol.metaware.com> To: jitr, relph Subject: Re: Sign-add's antics and lousy concerts\ Status: OR >>The person I was with defended her by saying that she needed the quiet to be >>able to sing. That it's difficult to sing acapella by yourself when the crowds >>noisey... I say turn up her damn earphones! > >This kind of attitude happens to be one that I personally dislike. [lots of stuff deleted] >Damn. This sounds like a flame. Oh well. It's how I feel. > > -- John I'd call it a flame. And I think there's a damn good reason to flame. Why are people on this mailing list to bitch and moan about what a spaz Sinead is? No shit! If you'd been listening to her for more than the last year, you'd have known that. If you don't like her antics, unsubscribe to this list and go listen to "NC2U" on permanent repeat. I *know* the way she acts. I don't need my mailbox filled with bullshit whining about how you can't stand Sinead, and "Oh, how terrible she is blah blah blah", and ad fucking nauseum, for me to know what she's like. If you want to talk about her music, that's great. I don't even mind talking about Sinead's opinions and actions, or even hearing remarks critical of her. But I'm sick of listening to this broken-record complaining that's been going on since the SNL thing. If you don't like, leave, and leave the people who want to converse in peace. // ---<--@ -Echo \X/ The Potato-Salad-Eatin' Fool. INTERNET: rickh@metaware.com AT&T: (408) 427-9814 home UUCP: uunet!ucscc!metaware!rickh (408) 429-6382 x3086 work Join the Flat-Fields mailing list! Bauhaus, Love-n-Rockets, and more! Write to Flat-Fields-Request@ucscb.ucsc.edu. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sat Feb 23 09:35:30 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA23389; Sat, 23 Feb 91 09:34:00 -0800 Received: from ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA23385; Sat, 23 Feb 91 09:33:57 -0800 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 91 12:35 EST From: V285RAAG@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: sinead's dancing To: jitr Message-Id: X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: jitr@presto.ig.com X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" Status: OR [deleted stuff about me saying how sinead can't dance] > >Go to a Paula Abdul concert next time, or stay home and watch her on MTV, >which amounts to the same thing. Look, people... I didn't say that I wanted her to dance well on stage in her live performance. I was only suggesting that if she were to dance that it should be done well. Since she does not dance well, and looks rather stupid the way she 'bops' around the stage while she's not yelling at the concert-goers, she should not have danced at all. I don't have a problem with her moving along to the music while she's on stage, that's just natural, but she should not have made a point of her 'dancing.' >> >>Now how do you suppose the people in the audience are supposed to HEAR the >>music being performed if they are all yelling and screaming and applauding >>and whistling? The simple answer is: they can't. And in fact they aren't >>interested in the music at all. If they were, they would be respectfully >>quiet and attentive while the performer sings, and hold their applause for >>the space between the songs. Bullshit... this is (relatively speaking) a derivative of rock and roll. It is customary for audiences to applaud and profess their love for the performers during the songs. I, being someone who has performed on stage in the past, feel that a show is not going well if the audience does not get into the act. To say that a rock concert audience can't cheer when their icon gets on stage and is singing a song they like would be like saying that at a comedy play, you have to wait 'til the end of an act to laugh at all of the jokes. Be real. If Sinead or anyone else wants to perform where there will be quiet during the songs and thundrous applause only between the songs, then the Darien Lake Ampitheater is not the place. Someplace a little more formal would be suitable. Perhaps Buffalo's Shea Theater (for those people that don't know the theater, it is your basic theater that could be used for Opera, Broadway plays, Concerts, etc. It has nice carpeting, fixed chairs, a stage with a pit for the Orchestra, a Balcony and even a couple of Box Seats.) would be better suited for what she wanted. If you want to go to a rock concert and not have anyone yelling or whistling or professing their love during the performance, then DON'T go to Darien Lake. Wait for her to perform Radio City or Shea. > >If it were all yelling and screaming and applauding and whistling, that would >be one thing. I was at this concert, about fifteen feet from the stage, and >there were people around me chatting, not paying attention to the music, for >much of the show. I have no idea what they were doing there, or why they paid >$17 to see someone whose music they weren't interested in, but I don't see >how you can criticize Sinead for getting angry at them for making the show >more difficult for her and less enjoyable for the rest of us. If what you want is to hear her with out other people's 'interference' then you should do one of two things. 1) Listen to her stuff on cd at home with your headphones on, that way you won't be disturbed by anyone else, the vaccuum cleaner or the telephone. 2) Try putting a little bit of cotton in your ears before you go. It does wonders to cut out most of the 'background' noise and makes the loudness of the music more comfortable so that you can hear the music not the ringing of your ears. > >Just so nobody thinks I'm an uncritical Sinead-worshipper, I'll point out that >Sinead's idea of adding depth and passion to a live rendition of a song seems >to be adding "fuckin'" at key points in the lyrics, which doesn't impress me >much. Just one more of the turn-offs that the concert had... one among many. Papa Sm00sh v285raag@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu jadahlin@acsu.buffalo.edu From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sat Feb 23 10:41:01 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA24303; Sat, 23 Feb 91 10:40:37 -0800 Received: from postgres.Berkeley.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA24297; Sat, 23 Feb 91 10:40:33 -0800 Received: by postgres.Berkeley.EDU (5.61/1.29) id AA08140; Sat, 23 Feb 91 10:40:25 -0800 From: mudie@postgres.berkeley.edu (David C Mudie) Message-Id: <9102231840.AA08140@postgres.Berkeley.EDU> To: jitr Subject: Re: sinead's dancing In-Reply-To: Your message of Sat, 23 Feb 91 12:35 EST Date: Sat, 23 Feb 91 10:40:23 PST Status: OR >From: V285RAAG@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu >Subject: sinead's dancing >It is customary for audiences to applaud and profess their love for the >performers during the songs. True. Unfortunately, I think Sinead would rather class herself as "artist" than "performer" or "entertainer", so she doesn't go out of her way to put on a show for the masses. Rather than spend time, money and effort on her choreography, she climbs on the stage and does what comes naturally. Some people will gripe about the lack of showmanship, and some will enjoy seeing the artist being herself. ("Hey, Sinead's a worse dancer than I am!") IMHO, crying "artist" excuses some but not all of Sinead's on-stage behavior. Cutting off a show because she "doesn't feel well" is just plain unprofessional, and if she plans to be a professional artist, than she had better start behaving in a professional manner. I would rather she didn't tour than see her tour badly. I feel it was worth seeing the second tour (though Nothing Compares to the First :), but if/when she comes around again I will probably save my money and listen to the albums. -D- From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sat Feb 23 12:14:36 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA25856; Sat, 23 Feb 91 12:14:09 -0800 Received: from cs.brown.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA25850; Sat, 23 Feb 91 12:14:06 -0800 Received: from fritz.cs.brown.edu by cs.brown.edu (5.64+/Doorknob-1.3) id AA07804; Sat, 23 Feb 91 15:14:01 -0500 Received: by fritz.cs.brown.edu (5.64+/BrownCS-1.2) id AA12639; Sat, 23 Feb 91 15:14:00 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 91 15:14:00 -0500 From: dkb@cs.brown.edu (Dilip Barman) Message-Id: <9102232014.AA12639@fritz.cs.brown.edu> To: mudie@postgres.berkeley.edu Cc: jitr In-Reply-To: David C Mudie's message of Sat, 23 Feb 91 10:40:23 PST <9102231840.AA08140@postgres.Berkeley.EDU> Subject: sinead's dancing Status: OR I actually thought her rough little Irish jig at the end of "I am Stretched On Your Grave" was quite kool! I saw her this past summer at Great Woods between Providence and Boston; it was a good and "emotional" concert. Her voice acapella was amazing!! From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sat Feb 23 14:17:11 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA27832; Sat, 23 Feb 91 14:16:45 -0800 Received: from remarque.Berkeley.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA27828; Sat, 23 Feb 91 14:16:42 -0800 Received: by remarque.berkeley.edu (4.1/1.31) id AA06176; Sat, 23 Feb 91 14:16:39 PST Message-Id: <9102232216.AA06176@remarque.berkeley.edu> To: jitr Subject: Is It Out of Your Systems, Yet? In-Reply-To: Papa Sm00sh's message of Sat, 23 Feb 91 12:35:00 EST Reply-To: jitr@presto.ig.com Date: Sat, 23 Feb 91 14:16:36 -0800 From: Jym Dyer Status: OR ___ __ I really hope you people have gotten all the anti-Sinead _ flaming out of your systems. Personally, I really don't care how much you don't like her politics, or dancing, or whatever. ___ __ Creators are human, after all. If you like the creations _ but are unsatisfied with the creators' imperfections, why wallow in it? ___ __ I didn't subscribe to this list to read people bitching _ about Sinead. Surely there's a better forum for that? Why not create your own flame-sinead mailng list or something. Or, at the very least, stick "FLAMES" up in the Subject line. <_Jym_> (Sporting Stubble in Solidarity w/ Sinead) From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sun Feb 24 10:13:23 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA13953; Sun, 24 Feb 91 10:12:01 -0800 Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA13949; Sun, 24 Feb 91 10:11:58 -0800 Received: from M66-309-1.MIT.EDU by ATHENA.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA10786; Sun, 24 Feb 91 13:11:55 EST From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Received: by m66-309-1.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA10755; Sun, 24 Feb 91 13:11:52 -0500 Message-Id: <9102241811.AA10755@m66-309-1.MIT.EDU> To: jitr Subject: Sinead O Connor Awards Date: Sun, 24 Feb 91 13:11:50 EST Status: OR Hi, Yesterday Saturday Night Live had a spoof of the Grammys called 'The Sinead O Connor' Awards. Whoever played Sinead was excellent. I couldn't stop laughing. Phil Collins won 'Emptiest song of the year', and Frank Sinatra won the lifetime meaningless career award (or something to that extent). My cable company had screwed up the audio reception, so I couldn't hear what they were saying, but just looking at it was funny enough. Oh, Paul McCartney was co-host. Angelos PS. I agree that flaming Sinead on this list is completely meaningless. PPS. Who came up with 'Association to save Sinead from herself'?? +===========================================================================+ | e-mail to: |I LIKE MUSIC BY 10,000 Maniacs, Cure, U2, | | kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu |Lene Lovich, Kate Bush, Laurie Anderson, | |===============================|David Bowie, Velvet Underground, Tribe, O+,| | |Sinead O Connor, Peter Gabriel, Lou Reed, | | Song of the month: |Sting, Cavedogs,Boomtown Rats, R.E.M. , | | 'Mad about you'- Sting |Think tree, Sonic Youth, Brian Eno, Queen, | | |Eurythmics, Prince, Indigo Girls, Pixies | +===========================================================================+ From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sun Feb 24 16:02:50 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA20797; Sun, 24 Feb 91 16:01:49 -0800 Received: from ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA20791; Sun, 24 Feb 91 16:01:45 -0800 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 91 19:02 EST From: V285RAAG@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Is It Out of Your Systems, Yet? To: jitr Message-Id: X-Organization: University at Buffalo X-Envelope-To: jitr@presto.ig.com X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" Status: OR > Personally, I really don't > care how much you don't like her politics, or dancing, or > whatever. >___ > __ Creators are human, after all. If you like the creations > _ but are unsatisfied with the creators' imperfections, why > wallow in it? >___ The whole purpose of this group is to discuss things related to Sinead o'connor. if we were to only discuss those things that we LIKE about her, it would be a very boring and redundant mailer. How many times would you want to read about someone requesting more lyrics and whatnot. Besides, there obviously is a significant number of people out here who both like her music and don't like some of her unprofessionalism. Instead of suggesting that we get onto a 'flame_sinead' mailer, why don't you get onto a 'nothing_but_nice_things_to_say_about_sinead' mailer. That way you won't have to worry about us. It would be a form of censorship to only talk about the 'good' things in a performer and not allow any of the criticism of others to be heard. papa sm00sh From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sun Feb 24 16:32:19 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA21370; Sun, 24 Feb 91 16:31:26 -0800 Received: from newton.Colorado.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA21366; Sun, 24 Feb 91 16:31:24 -0800 Return-Path: Received: by newton (cu.bind.900828) Sun, 24 Feb 91 17:31:18 MST Message-Id: <9102250031.AA26487@newton> To: "It would probably be a good idea..." Subject: Re: Is It Out of Your Systems, Yet? In-Reply-To: Your message of Sun, 24 Feb 91 19:02:00 -0500. Date: Sun, 24 Feb 91 17:31:18 MST From: huntert@newton.colorado.edu Status: OR -------- #It would be a form of censorship to only talk about the 'good' things in a #performer and not allow any of the criticism of others to be heard. # #papa sm00sh -------- On the other hand, the messages from you seem to be completely centered on criticism. I just scanned through the messages sent so far this year, and you've said maybe one positive thing. If you want to present yourself as carrying on an intelligent coversation, avoid stupid put-downs like "Sign-add" and nit-picky topics like "gee, her dancing is stupid". Tim From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Feb 25 00:02:52 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA29007; Mon, 25 Feb 91 00:01:38 -0800 Received: from danpost.uni-c.dk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA29003; Mon, 25 Feb 91 00:01:09 -0800 Received: from vax87.aud.auc.dk by danpost.uni-c.dk (5.65/4.7) id AA02324; Mon, 25 Feb 91 08:01:22 GMT Message-Id: <9102250801.AA02324@danpost.uni-c.dk> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 91 09:01 WET From: "LARS " Subject: Awards In Denmark To: jump-in-the-river X-Vms-To: in%"jump-in-the-river@presto.ig.com" Status: OR Hello everyone ! Saturday night, SOC was awarded two danish Grammy's for best foreign single hit (Nothing Compares 2 U), and for the best foreign female singer. The awards were picked up by a representative from the record company, at the Danish Grammy Awards seremony (for lack of a better word). The show was btw hosted by Maiken Wex (sp?), whom some of you may know from MTV Europe. -Lars- From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Feb 25 10:17:10 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA10899; Mon, 25 Feb 91 10:16:12 -0800 Received: from uunet.UU.NET by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA10892; Mon, 25 Feb 91 10:16:06 -0800 Received: from metaware.UUCP by uunet.UU.NET with UUCP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA00949; Mon, 25 Feb 91 13:15:57 -0500 Received: from sol.metaware.com by metaware.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA06797; Mon, 25 Feb 91 05:20:04 PST Received: by sol.metaware.com (4.0/SMI-4.0) id AA24875; Mon, 25 Feb 91 08:55:25 PST Date: Mon, 25 Feb 91 08:55:25 PST From: rickh@metaware.com (Don't ya wanna hang out with the Bleach Boys, baby) Message-Id: <9102251655.AA24875@sol.metaware.com> To: jitr Subject: Re: Is It Out of Your Systems, Yet? Status: OR >> Personally, I really don't >> care how much you don't like her politics, or dancing, or >> whatever. >>___ >> __ Creators are human, after all. If you like the creations >> _ but are unsatisfied with the creators' imperfections, why >> wallow in it? >>___ > >The whole purpose of this group is to discuss things related to Sinead >o'connor. if we were to only discuss those things that we LIKE about her, it >would be a very boring and redundant mailer. How many times would you want to >read about someone requesting more lyrics and whatnot. True enough, but how many times would you want to read about somebody whining about Sinead is such a pain, and boy, she's really getting on my nerves. It's one thing to say that you're annoyed at something and leave it at that, it's another to have to go through twenty or thirty mailings that have nothing worth- while to say. Just more example of want a bitch she is. >Besides, there obviously is a significant number of people out here who both >like her music and don't like some of her unprofessionalism. Instead of >suggesting that we get onto a 'flame_sinead' mailer, why don't you get onto a >'nothing_but_nice_things_to_say_about_sinead' mailer. That way you won't have >to worry about us. The point is that this has, over the last few weeks, turned into "The Celebration of Sinead O'Connor as a Worthless Bitch" list. It gets a little annoying. I don't want to just say "nice things"; but I'd like one of the "basher" folk to say something at least slightly _interesting_. >It would be a form of censorship to only talk about the 'good' things in a >performer and not allow any of the criticism of others to be heard. It's not that you're not allowed to. I'm just getting sick of the shit. Don't go crying censorship because you're asked to shut the fuck up because we're getting sick of listening to this crap. >papa sm00sh // ---<--@ -Echo \X/ The Potato-Salad-Eatin' Fool. INTERNET: rickh@metaware.com AT&T: (408) 427-9814 home UUCP: uunet!ucscc!metaware!rickh (408) 429-6382 x3086 work Join the Flat-Fields mailing list! Bauhaus, Love-n-Rockets, and more! Write to Flat-Fields-Request@ucscb.ucsc.edu. From weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu Mon Feb 25 11:10:08 1991 Received: from chaos.cs.brandeis.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA13417; Mon, 25 Feb 91 11:09:19 -0800 Received: by chaos.cs.brandeis.edu Mon, 25 Feb 91 14:09:40 est Date: Mon, 25 Feb 91 14:09:40 est From: "Adam J. Weitzman" Message-Id: <9102251909.AA20297@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> To: jitr-request, jitr Subject: Re: Is It Out of Your Systems, Yet? Status: OR There's an article in the Sunday Boston Globe (2/24) about Sinead. it has many favorable things to say about her antics of late. So y'all go to the library, check it out, and we'll discuss it. (It compares her to John Lennon in his early, brash days, among other things.) PS - Whoever advertises the Bauhaus mailing list in his/her .sig always screws up my mail so that I can't read the bottom of his/her posts. Please fix it. - Adam J Weitzman weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Feb 25 12:20:22 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA16477; Mon, 25 Feb 91 12:16:18 -0800 Received: from CORNELLC.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA16470; Mon, 25 Feb 91 12:16:11 -0800 Received: from snypotva.bitnet by CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.2MX) with BSMTP id 6223; Mon, 25 Feb 91 15:17:08 EST Date: Mon, 25 Feb 91 13:06 EDT From: "MYKEL C. RUVOLA, BRAIN DRAIN" Subject: FLAME-SINEAD and SMOOSH To: jitr Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: jitr@presto.ig.COM X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" Status: OR To whom it may concern; I think we can all agree that this is not the place to put down each other. like someone seemed bent on doing to P.SMOOSH(??). I don't even know this person, but I know that they have a RIGHT to complain about SINEAD as much as they want.. this list is always full of "I like that lyric" and "PLEASE send me the LYRICS" and "MAYBE I SHOULD SHAVE MY HEAD" but as soon as pe ople have any problems with this woman, half the list cries bout SINEAD-FLAMI NG.GROW UP. There is good and bad in this woman, and if the place to talk abo ut it isn't here then WHERE IS IT? At least now i get to hear more about her than reading the lyrics of one of her songs, I know them...I don't need a place to read them... Also- to the person who said theat everyone who was flaming sinead should leave...Well all i can say to that is, maybe you should if you don't like the topics. -TIRED OF THIS-mykel From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Feb 26 09:21:42 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA19494; Tue, 26 Feb 91 09:20:42 -0800 Received: from brownvm.brown.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA19489; Tue, 26 Feb 91 09:20:37 -0800 Message-Id: <9102261720.AA19489@presto.ig.com> Received: from BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU by brownvm.brown.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 6707; Tue, 26 Feb 91 12:20:39 EST Received: from BROWNVM (SSDC2) by BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 0440; Tue, 26 Feb 91 12:20:38 EST Date: Tue, 26 Feb 91 12:17:34 EST From: J Green Subject: Re: Lyrics To: jitr Status: OR I tried sending mail to Eliz, but it got bounced back to me. Any chance of getting the lyrics posted to the list? At least it would be a better use of space than all the complaints! >Date: Fri, 22 Feb 91 14:35:17 -0500 >From: eliz@world.std.com (Elizabeth Lear Newman) > >I keep all the lyrics to both albums on-line, and am usually the one >to mail them out, I think. > > ...eliz >(I'm the one who transcribed tLatC) From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Feb 26 15:37:58 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA05821; Tue, 26 Feb 91 15:35:54 -0800 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA05572; Tue, 26 Feb 91 15:31:04 -0800 Resent-Message-Id: <9102262331.AA05572@presto.ig.com> Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 91 15:31:01 -0800 Resent-From: mcb@presto.ig.com (Michael C. Berch) Subject: Fw: STRANGEWAYS Resent-To: jitr Received: from midway.uchicago.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA20315; Sun, 24 Feb 91 15:34:21 -0800 Received: from chsun1.uchicago.edu by midway.uchicago.edu Sun, 24 Feb 91 17:29:24 CST Received: by chsun1.uchicago.edu (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA03047; Sun, 24 Feb 91 17:24:03 CST Errors-To: kusumoto@chsun1.uchicago.edu Return-Path: Received: from dartvax.dartmouth.edu by chsun1.uchicago.edu (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA03041; Sun, 24 Feb 91 17:23:58 CST Received: from d0.dartmouth.edu by dartvax.dartmouth.edu (5.65+D1/4.4HUB) id AA03907; Sun, 24 Feb 91 18:21:24 -0500 Received: by D0.DARTMOUTH.EDU id <103553>; 24 Feb 91 18:22:02 Message-Id: <3272304@mac.Dartmouth.EDU> Date: 24 Feb 91 18:22:00 From: Michael.C.Massengale@mac.dartmouth.edu To: manchester@irss.njit.edu, murmur@athena.mit.edu, other-voices@bbn.com, ceremony@chsun1.uchicago.edu, kkawado@bonnie.ics.uci.edu Subject: STRANGEWAYS Errors-To: ceremony-request@chsun1.uchicago.edu Sender: ceremony-request@chsun1.uchicago.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Michael.C.Massengale@mac.dartmouth.edu Status: OR (forwarding comment) -------------------------- This was sent to me via another music mailing list I am on, and thought it might be of interest to JITR readers. Michael jitr-request@presto.ig.com -------------------------- (original message follows) My apologies in advance if this does not interest you... This is an announcement for a new mailing list for The Smiths and Morrissey entitled: STRANGEWAYS We are trying to create a forum for discussing the great music of the Smiths, the continuing effort of Morrissey as a solo artist and the fate of other Smiths band members Johnny Marr (last seen in Electronic and The The), Andy Rourke (last seen on Morrissey's "Interesting Drug" but wrote music for "Yes, I'm Blind", "Girl Least Likely To" and "Get Off the Stage"), Mike Joyce and Craig Gannon (also last seen on Morrissey's "Interesting Drug"). We're also here to review upcoming albums, provide information on upcoming concerts, et cetera. To join this interesting new mailing list, send email to either kkawado@bonnie.ics.uci.edu or Michael.C.Massengale%mac.dartmouth.edu Please send all posts to kkawado@bonnie.ics.uci.edu with the subject line "Strangeways" until we can establish a permanent site. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Feb 26 19:03:31 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA13078; Tue, 26 Feb 91 19:01:15 -0800 Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA13074; Tue, 26 Feb 91 19:01:10 -0800 Received: from E40-008-8.MIT.EDU by ATHENA.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA29731; Tue, 26 Feb 91 22:01:06 EST From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Received: by e40-008-8.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA12865; Tue, 26 Feb 91 22:01:02 -0500 Message-Id: <9102270301.AA12865@e40-008-8.MIT.EDU> To: jitr Subject: a book on sinead Date: Tue, 26 Feb 91 22:01:00 EST Status: OR Hi, I was browsing through the MIT Coop bookstore and was kind of surprised when I saw Sinead staring at me from the cover of a book called: SINEAD: Her Life and her Music by Jimmy Guterman. Needless to say, I bought the book, and after looking at it I am not very impressed by it. The author is obviously a fan of Sinead's but gets into lengthy comparisons with other artists (like U2) and is NOT impressed by 'Jackie' and 'Just like U said it would B', that are two of my favorite songs on 'The Lion and the Cobra'. AND most importantly the author provides an incomplete Sinead discograpy! He has forgotten to include 'Someday my prince will come' from the 'Stay Awake' album...! Some info that was news to me: 'What do you want?' was an outtake from her sessions with Mick Glossop in 1987. 'The value of ignorance' is an actual song. The book also has a picture of Sinead as a kiss-o-gram girl wearing a French maid's uniform! And a picture of Sinead performing with a black eye... This was something else I didn't expect to see. Which reminds me. Ignore all comments written under the photos. Most of them are really stupid. Angelos PS. Does anybody out there have 'Take my hand'-In Tua Nua, 'The value of ignorance', and/or the Karen Finley extended version of 'Jump in the River'? From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Feb 26 19:39:07 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA13819; Tue, 26 Feb 91 19:38:45 -0800 Received: from pyrite.SOM.CWRU.Edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA13815; Tue, 26 Feb 91 19:38:41 -0800 Received: by pyrite.SOM.CWRU.Edu (5.61++/SUN-4.0-dc) id AA28958; Tue, 26 Feb 91 22:38:01 -0500 From: Sunil Bhatla Message-Id: <9102270338.AA28958@pyrite.SOM.CWRU.Edu> Subject: SOC on MTV next week To: jitr Date: Tue, 26 Feb 91 22:37:59 EDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL14] Status: OR Next Tuesday (March 5) SOC will be appearing live on Rockline with Martha Quinn at 10 pm on MTV. Haven't seen this show before, but apparently it's some kind of viewer call-in interview format. Keep smiling... Sunil. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Feb 27 07:00:43 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA24209; Wed, 27 Feb 91 06:59:59 -0800 Received: from bunny.gte.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA24201; Wed, 27 Feb 91 06:59:55 -0800 Received: by bunny.gte.com (5.61/GTEL2.16) id AA04253; Wed, 27 Feb 91 09:59:46 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 91 09:59:46 -0500 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Message-Id: <9102271459.AA04253@bunny.gte.com> To: jitr Subject: JITR single Status: OR Angelos says > PS. Does anybody out there have 'Take my hand'-In Tua Nua, 'The value of > ignorance', and/or the Karen Finley extended version of 'Jump in the River'? well, i don't. i spent about a month checking boston-area record stores for the Finley version of _JITR_, and tried twice to special order it. no luck -- it is officially out of print, and it must have been a very limited issue. i do have the label and number info somewhere -- i'll try to repost it. does anyone have a complete discography they could post? (it can't be very long...) i *think i've got everything that's been officially released, (except the JITR single, that is) but then again i don't know anything about _the value of ignorance_... footah! -greg -- gb10@gte.com From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Feb 27 07:37:34 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA26585; Wed, 27 Feb 91 07:37:00 -0800 Received: from prodigal.psych.rochester.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA26576; Wed, 27 Feb 91 07:36:52 -0800 Received: by prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (4.1/1.16) id AA05045; Wed, 27 Feb 91 10:38:22 EST Date: Wed, 27 Feb 91 10:38:22 EST From: Derek "psalter" Gross Message-Id: <9102271538.AA05045@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu> To: jitr Subject: Value of Ignorance Status: OR The Value of Ignorance is on the UK Three Babies CD single (I think 12", too), along with Damn Your Eyes and a live version of Troy. Derek From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Feb 27 07:58:15 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA27842; Wed, 27 Feb 91 07:57:48 -0800 Received: from brownvm.brown.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA27837; Wed, 27 Feb 91 07:57:44 -0800 Message-Id: <9102271557.AA27837@presto.ig.com> Received: from BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU by brownvm.brown.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 0832; Wed, 27 Feb 91 10:57:44 EST Received: from BROWNVM (SSDC2) by BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 4022; Wed, 27 Feb 91 10:57:44 EST Date: Wed, 27 Feb 91 10:56:57 EST From: J Green Subject: Re: a book on sinead To: jitr Status: OR >provides an incomplete Sinead discograpy! He has forgotten to include >'Someday my prince will come' from the 'Stay Awake' album...! When I first questioned about ppls favorite SO'C songs/albums on this list, someone (more than one person) told me that SO'C only has TWO albums. A while back, before I became a SO'C fan, I thought I saw another cd by her but I wasn't sure. Could this be it? Any ideas where to get it in the (ack) Brown/Providence/RI area? Does it really exist? Are there others? What should I be checking out next after tLatC and IDNWWIHG? jg From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Feb 27 08:08:51 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA28483; Wed, 27 Feb 91 08:08:17 -0800 Received: from CORNELLC.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA28476; Wed, 27 Feb 91 08:08:12 -0800 Received: from snypotva.bitnet by CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.2MX) with BSMTP id 1709; Wed, 27 Feb 91 11:09:09 EST Date: Wed, 27 Feb 91 11:06 EDT From: Z O M B I F I E D!! Subject: FINLEY To: jitr Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: jitr@presto.ig.COM X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.COM" Status: OR From: SPOTVB::RUVOLA39 "Z O M B I F I E D!!" 27-FEB-1991 10:54:58.28 To: IN%"jitr@presto.com" CC: RUVOLA39 Subj: FINLEY I have a good copy of the JITR 12" (w/ FINLEY) HOWEVER...It rarely gets played due to the fact that FINLEY is replusive. If any of you have heard this you know what I mean. It is full of endless screaming, Panting, and Sexually disgusting suggestions (i.e. Something about wrapping a tie around her clitoris and pulling on it. There is also a line about karen Insisting that her mother Masterbate her. This is disgusting It's good to have, but not to play. When I first heard this, I was shocked that Sinead O, would acctually release this kind of TRASH. -MODERATELY REPULSED-mykel From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Feb 27 08:23:13 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA29194; Wed, 27 Feb 91 08:22:36 -0800 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA29190; Wed, 27 Feb 91 08:22:33 -0800 Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.presto.ig.com.sun3.4 via MS.5.6.presto.ig.com.sun3_4; Wed, 27 Feb 91 08:22:31 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 27 Feb 91 08:22:31 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher Dow To: jitr Subject: Re: FINLEY In-Reply-To: References: Status: OR I think that you have to take Finley in context. She deliberately tries to be repulsive in order to make the point that people who would not normally be considered to be perverted participate in pornography, which she feels degrades women. In one of her performance peices, she uses a speculum to 'reveal herself' and then invites the audience to come up an take a peak. When no one does, and people act repulsed, she then berates them (especially the men) for having double standards. Her point is that there is no difference between that and some (perhaps most) pornography. Chris Dow IntelliGenetics Software Engineer 700 East El Camino Real icbmnet: 37 22' 39" N, 122 3' 32" W Mountain View, Ca. 94040 dow@presto.ig.com (415) 962-7320 From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Feb 27 08:44:55 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA00339; Wed, 27 Feb 91 08:44:29 -0800 Received: from chaos.cs.brandeis.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA00335; Wed, 27 Feb 91 08:44:24 -0800 Received: by chaos.cs.brandeis.edu Wed, 27 Feb 91 11:44:53 est Date: Wed, 27 Feb 91 11:44:53 est From: "Adam J. Weitzman" Message-Id: <9102271644.AA04768@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> To: jitr Status: OR Hi there. The following is a somewhat incomplete Sinead O'Connor US discography. I tried to put it in chronological order. It is hoped that it will eventually include all of Sinead's output as well as her appearances on other people's records (and other people's appearances on her records). If you have any additions, corrections, or other stuff, please mail them to me. NO RUMORS, PLEASE. A couple of things I know are missing: the names of the "Stretched" remixes, whether "Compares" and "Emperor" had 7" to go with them (they may have, but I am not sure), any singles from "The Lion," and her appearances on World Party's records. If anyone has seen fit to cover any of her songs (I am not aware of this), let me know about that too. Thanx. Hope you enjoy it! - Adam J Weitzman weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (All releases are on Ensign/Chrysalis unless otherwise noted) "Heroine" (The Edge w/) from THE CAPTIVE - THE EDGE (SOUNDTRACK) (Virgin: LP, cassette, CD) THE LION AND THE COBRA (LP, cassette, CD) ---------------------- Jackie Mandinka Jerusalem Just Like U Said It Would B Never Get Old Troy I Want Your (Hands On Me) Drink Before The War Just Call Me Joe "I WANT YOUR (HANDS ON ME)" (12", cassette-maxi) --------------------------- I Want Your (Hands On Me) (w/ MC Lyte) (12" remix) I Want Your (Hands On Me) (w/ MC Lyte) (7" remix) I Want Your (Hands On Me) "Jump In The River" from MARRIED TO THE MOB - VARIOUS (SOUNDTRACK) (Reprise: LP, cassette, CD) "JUMP IN THE RIVER" (Reprise: 12") ------------------- Jump In The River (w/ Karen Finley) (12" remix) Jump In The River (w/ Karen Finley) (7" remix) Jump In The River "Someday My Prince Will Come" from STAY AWAKE - VARIOUS (A&M: cassette, CD) "Kingdom Of Rain" (The The w/) from MIND BOMB - THE THE (Columbia: LP, cassette, CD) "Nothing Compares 2 U" from NEW ROUTE SAMPLER - VARIOUS (New Route: cassette) "NOTHING COMPARES 2 U" (cassingle) ---------------------- Nothing Compares 2 U Jump In The River I DO NOT WANT WHAT I HAVEN'T GOT (cassette, CD, LP) -------------------------------- Feel So Different I Am Stretched On Your Grave Three Babies The Emperor's New Clothes Black Boys On Mopeds Nothing Compares 2 U Jump In The River You Cause As Much Sorrow The Last Day Of Our Acquaintance I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got (note: LP was released about 3 weeks after the album hit #1) "THE EMPEROR'S NEW CLOTHES" (cassingle) --------------------------- The Emperor's New Clothes (Edit) What Do You Want? "THE EMPEROR'S NEW CLOTHES" (CD-single) --------------------------- The Emperor's New Clothes The Emperor's New Clothes (Main Mix) What Do You Want? Mandinka (Jake's Remix) "THE EMPEROR'S NEW CLOTHES"/"I AM STRETCHED ON YOUR GRAVE" (12", cassette-maxi) ---------------------------------------------------------- The Emperor's New Clothes The Emperor's New Clothes (Main Mix) I Am Stretched On Your Grave (Mix 1) I Am Stretched On Your Grave (Mix 2) "Mother" (Roger Waters w/) from THE WALL: LIVE IN BERLIN - ROGER WATERS (Polygram: 2cassette, 2CD, 2LP) "You Do Something To Me" from RED HOT + BLUE - VARIOUS (Chrysalis: cassette, CD) (MFSL: CD) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Videos: Mandinka I Want Your (Hands On Me) Troy Jump In The River Nothing Compares 2 U The Emperor's New Clothes Three Babies ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Videocassettes: The Value Of Ignorance The Wall - Live In Berlin (ROGER WATERS) (sings one song, "Mother") ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ THE END From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Feb 27 08:57:31 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA00826; Wed, 27 Feb 91 08:57:01 -0800 Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA00821; Wed, 27 Feb 91 08:56:56 -0800 Received: from M66-305-1.MIT.EDU by ATHENA.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA17123; Wed, 27 Feb 91 11:56:51 EST From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Received: by m66-305-1.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA22077; Wed, 27 Feb 91 11:56:43 -0500 Message-Id: <9102271656.AA22077@m66-305-1.MIT.EDU> To: J Green Cc: jitr Subject: Re: a book on sinead In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 27 Feb 91 10:56:57 -0500. <9102271557.AA27837@presto.ig.com> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 91 11:56:40 EST Status: OR J green says: >When I first questioned about ppls favorite SO'C songs/albums on this >list, someone (more than one person) told me that SO'C only has TWO albums. >A while back, before I became a SO'C fan, I thought I saw another cd by her >but I wasn't sure. Could this be it? Any ideas where to get it in the >(ack) Brown/Providence/RI area? >Does it really exist? Are there others? >What should I be checking out next after tLatC and IDNWWIHG? There are ONLY two albums. 'Stay Awake' is a compilation of remakes of songs from Dispey movies. Angelos From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Feb 27 10:00:59 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA03307; Wed, 27 Feb 91 09:59:20 -0800 Received: from CORNELLC.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA03301; Wed, 27 Feb 91 09:59:17 -0800 Received: from snypotva.bitnet by CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.2MX) with BSMTP id 2370; Wed, 27 Feb 91 13:00:13 EST Date: Wed, 27 Feb 91 12:57 EDT From: Z O M B I F I E D!! Subject: DISCOGRAPHY APPENDMENT To: jitr Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: jitr@presto.ig.COM X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.COM" X-Vms-Cc: RUVOLA39 Status: OR The discography you sent is missing the Three-Babys CD5" which someone mentioned earlier. -Mykel From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Feb 27 12:06:59 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA08442; Wed, 27 Feb 91 12:06:24 -0800 Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA08438; Wed, 27 Feb 91 12:06:19 -0800 Received: from M66-080-12.MIT.EDU by ATHENA.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA26579; Wed, 27 Feb 91 15:06:07 EST From: szady@athena.mit.edu Received: by M66-080-12.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA12318; Wed, 27 Feb 91 15:05:55 -0500 Message-Id: <9102272005.AA12318@M66-080-12.MIT.EDU> To: Z O M B I F I E D!! Cc: jitr Subject: Re: FINLEY In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 27 Feb 91 11:06:00 -0400. Date: Wed, 27 Feb 91 15:05:52 EST Status: OR Wow....i have to get this. Karen Finlay is FABULOUS....i saw her give a performance Drew Lewis szady@athena.mit.edu O+> Silence is the voice of complicity / AIDS is a Disaster! Womyn die FASTER! Queer Nation: All you need is a three dollar bill and a dream If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favour freedom and yet renounce controvery are people who want crops without ploughing the ground -- Frederick Douglass From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Feb 27 19:04:22 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA24829; Wed, 27 Feb 91 19:03:23 -0800 Received: from its.rpi.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA24825; Wed, 27 Feb 91 19:03:20 -0800 Received: from sub.its.rpi.edu (jec407.its.rpi.edu) by its.rpi.edu (4.1/RPI-ITS-HUB19); id AA01938; Wed, 27 Feb 91 22:04:23 EST for jitr@presto.ig.com From: Ron Buckmire Received: by sub.its.rpi.edu (4.1/RPI-ITS-SUB12); id AA01846; Wed, 27 Feb 91 21:57:51 EST for kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Date: Wed, 27 Feb 91 21:57:51 EST Message-Id: <9102280257.AA01846@sub.its.rpi.edu> To: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: Re: Sinead O Connor Awards Cc: jitr Status: OR I agree that the Sinead O'Connor Awards were fantastic! I taped the show because Whitney Houston was on [and Alec Baldwin *grin*] and got all of the SOC awards. The person who played Sinead was Jan whatshername, an SNL regular. Dana carvey played Paul McCartnrey to the hilt. *I* came up with the Sinead Association, sort of like the Madonna association, except the Madonna one _reallY_ exists. My fave Sinead O'Connor song is "Never Get Old" aty the moment anbds I can NOT get THE LION AND THE COBRA out of my 5disc Cd player, I love it too much! I Used to think that the second album was beter [I bought it first for "Black Boys on Mopeds"] but now I know TL&TC is *great*! also, are there any other interesting remixes of "I Am Stretched On Your Grave"? I guess finding the versionb oof JITR would be impossible to get at this point. RON BUCKMIRE Association To Save Sinead O'Connor From Herself [New York Chapter] 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. "1991: YEAR OF THE QUEER" uunet!rpi.edu!prince||prince@rpitsmts.bitnet||prince@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910 From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Feb 28 13:56:10 1991 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA16382; Thu, 28 Feb 91 13:51:53 -0800 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA16311; Thu, 28 Feb 91 13:50:29 -0800 Message-Id: <9102282150.AA16311@presto.ig.com> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 91 13:50:26 -0800 From: mcb@presto.ig.com (Michael C. Berch) Subject: Re: Lyrics To: J Green Cc: jitr X-Orig-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 91 12:17:34 EST X-Orig-From: J Green X-Orig-Message-Id: <9102261720.AA19489@presto.ig.com> Status: OR > I tried sending mail to Eliz, but it got bounced back to me. > Any chance of getting the lyrics posted to the list? > At least it would be a better use of space than all the complaints! The lyrics files for both albums are available by e-mail request to the JITR moderator at the address "jitr-request@presto.ig.com". They have been posted at least once, but I think people will get upset if they are posted repeatedly because of their length. Also in the JITR archive will be the Sinead discography that people occsionally request. I have to dig it out of the message file, though. Ultimately all these files, plus a chronological message archive (probably by quarter) will be available for anonymous FTP, with e-mail service for those unable to reach this site by FTP. -- Michael C. Berch Jump-In-The-River Moderator jitr-request@presto.ig.com