From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sat Dec 1 12:14:14 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA03449; Sat, 1 Dec 90 12:09:52 -0800 Received: from chaos.cs.brandeis.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA03445; Sat, 1 Dec 90 12:09:48 -0800 Received: by chaos.cs.brandeis.edu Sat, 1 Dec 90 15:10:17 est Date: Sat, 1 Dec 90 15:10:17 est From: "Adam J. Weitzman" Message-Id: <9012012010.AA12747@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> To: jitr Status: OR Hi there. The following is a somewhat incomplete Sinead O'Connor US discography. I tried to put it in chronological order. It is hoped that it will eventually include all of Sinead's output as well as her appearances on other people's records (and other people's appearances on her records). If you have any additions, corrections, or other stuff, please mail them to me. NO RUMORS, PLEASE. A couple of things I know are missing: the names of the "Stretched" remixes, whether "Compares" and "Emperor" had 7" to go with them (they may have, but I am not sure), and her appearances on World Party's records. If anyone has seen fit to cover any of her songs (I am not aware of this), let me know about that too. Thanx. Hope you enjoy it! - Adam J Weitzman weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (All releases are on Ensign/Chrysalis unless otherwise noted) "Heroin" (The Edge w/) from THE CAPTIVE - THE EDGE (SOUNDTRACK) (Virgin: LP, cassette, CD) THE LION AND THE COBRA (LP, cassette, CD) ---------------------- Jackie Mandinka Jerusalem Just Like U Said It Would B Never Get Old Troy I Want Your (Hands On Me) Drink Before The War Just Call Me Joe "I WANT YOUR (HANDS ON ME)" (12", cassette-maxi) --------------------------- I Want Your (Hands On Me) (w/ MC Lyte) (12" remix) I Want Your (Hands On Me) (w/ MC Lyte) (7" remix) I Want Your (Hands On Me) "Jump In The River" from MARRIED TO THE MOB - VARIOUS (SOUNDTRACK) (?: LP, cassette, CD) "JUMP IN THE RIVER" (?: 12") ------------------- Jump In The River (w/ Karen Finley) (12" remix) Jump In The River (w/ Karen Finley) (7" remix) Jump In The River "Kingdom Of Rain" (The The w/) from MIND BOMB - THE THE (Columbia: LP, cassette, CD) "NOTHING COMPARES 2 U" (cassingle) ---------------------- Nothing Compares 2 U Jump In The River I DO NOT WANT WHAT I HAVEN'T GOT (cassette, CD, LP) -------------------------------- Feel So Different I Am Stretched On Your Grave Three Babies The Emperor's New Clothes Black Boys On Mopeds Nothing Compares 2 U Jump In The River You Cause As Much Sorrow The Last Day Of Our Acquaintance I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got "THE EMPEROR'S NEW CLOTHES" (cassingle) --------------------------- The Emperor's New Clothes What Do You Want? "THE EMPEROR'S NEW CLOTHES" (CD-single) --------------------------- The Emperor's New Clothes The Emperor's New Clothes (Main Mix) What Do You Want? Mandinka (Jake's Remix) "THE EMPEROR'S NEW CLOTHES"/"I AM STRETCHED ON YOUR GRAVE" (12", cassette-maxi) ---------------------------------------------------------- The Emperor's New Clothes The Emperor's New Clothes (Main Mix) I Am Stretched On Your Grave (Mix 1) I Am Stretched On Your Grave (Mix 2) "Mother" (Roger Waters w/) from THE WALL: LIVE IN BERLIN - ROGER WATERS (Polygram: 2cassette, 2CD, 2LP) "You Do Something To Me" from RED HOT + BLUE - VARIOUS (Chrysalis: cassette, CD) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sat Dec 1 15:59:03 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA10874; Sat, 1 Dec 90 15:51:10 -0800 Received: from wpi.WPI.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA10867; Sat, 1 Dec 90 15:51:07 -0800 Received: from maxine (maxine.WPI.EDU) by wpi.wpi.edu (4.0/4.7) id AA30907; Sat, 1 Dec 90 18:50:57 EST Received: by maxine (4.0/SMI-4.0) id AA21774; Sat, 1 Dec 90 18:51:02 EST Date: Sat, 1 Dec 90 18:51:02 EST From: roy@maxine.wpi.edu (Roy Rubinstein) Message-Id: <9012012351.AA21774@maxine> To: jitr, weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu Subject: Sinead discography addition Status: OR An addition to the the Sinead O'Connor discography: "Nothing Compares 2 U" (the usual version) appears on a cassette sampler entitled "New Route Sampler" (along with some interesting stuff by others). Not a special version, but it should be included for completeness. Roy Rubinstein No .sig here! From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sat Dec 1 16:00:48 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA10993; Sat, 1 Dec 90 15:54:19 -0800 Received: from chaos.cs.brandeis.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA10989; Sat, 1 Dec 90 15:54:15 -0800 Received: by chaos.cs.brandeis.edu Sat, 1 Dec 90 18:54:41 est Date: Sat, 1 Dec 90 18:54:41 est From: "Adam J. Weitzman" Message-Id: <9012012354.AA23715@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> To: jitr, roy@maxine.wpi.edu, weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu Subject: Re: Sinead discography addition Status: OR What is the "New Route Sampler?" Where can I get one? When did it come out? What else is on it? - Adam J Weitzman weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sun Dec 2 07:05:19 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA22008; Sun, 2 Dec 90 07:02:03 -0800 Received: from wpi.WPI.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA22003; Sun, 2 Dec 90 07:02:00 -0800 Received: from maxine (maxine.WPI.EDU) by wpi.wpi.edu (4.0/4.7) id AA07863; Sun, 2 Dec 90 10:01:55 EST Received: by maxine (4.0/SMI-4.0) id AA24762; Sun, 2 Dec 90 10:02:00 EST Date: Sun, 2 Dec 90 10:02:00 EST From: roy@maxine.wpi.edu (Roy Rubinstein) Message-Id: <9012021502.AA24762@maxine> To: jitr, roy@maxine.wpi.edu, weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu Subject: Re: Sinead discography addition Status: OR "New Route Sampler" is a sampler cassette that I got mail order for $1 P&H in March. I saw it advertised in New Route magazine, a small freebie mag I found in a local club. The cassette, marked "For promotional purposes only. Not for sale.", has one cut each by the Silos, Scrawl, Blue Aeroplanes, Eleventh Dream Day, Luka Bloom, Billy Syndrome, Heretix, Caterwaul, Toad the Wet Sprocket, OK Savant, and Sinead. This is the first in their series of samplers, but I don't know if there are any more. >From the liner notes: New Route Publishing, Inc., a subsidiary of Joseph-Fox Communications, Inc. 73 Spring Street New York, NY 10012 (212) 941-5600 Whether or not the cassette is still available (or if New Route is still in business), I can't say. I've only seen it that one time, but it apparently was not their first issue. Good luck in getting it. Roy Rubinstein Still looking for a .sig? From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sun Dec 2 10:47:23 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA24609; Sun, 2 Dec 90 10:46:49 -0800 Received: from mica.Berkeley.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA24605; Sun, 2 Dec 90 10:46:47 -0800 Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by mica.berkeley.edu (4.1/1.31) id AA03022; Sun, 2 Dec 90 10:46:44 PST Date: Sun, 2 Dec 90 10:46:44 PST From: jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) Message-Id: <9012021846.AA03022@mica.berkeley.edu> Received: by remarque.berkeley.edu (4.1/1.31) id AA17860; Sun, 2 Dec 90 10:46:50 PST To: jitr In-Reply-To: "Adam J. Weitzman"'s message of Sat, 1 Dec 90 18:54:41 est <9012012354.AA23715@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> Subject: Re: Sinead discography addition Reply-To: jitr@presto.ig.com X-Or-Reply-To: jym@mica.berkeley.edu Status: OR .-. |S|inead also does a breathy version of "Someday My Prince Will `-' Come on the "Stay Awake" album. That album is an excelent collection of Disney tunes redone by contemporary artists. <_Jym_> From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sun Dec 2 20:25:20 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA01815; Sun, 2 Dec 90 20:23:57 -0800 Received: from uhunix1.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA01810; Sun, 2 Dec 90 20:23:53 -0800 Received: by uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (4.1/Sun490) id AA25012; Sun, 2 Dec 90 18:23:49 HST Date: Sun, 2 Dec 90 18:23:49 HST From: Boris "breezy" Goldowsky Message-Id: <9012030423.AA25012@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu> To: jitr In-Reply-To: <9012012010.AA12747@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> Status: OR > From: > record straight..... the song Sinead did with the Edge for the "Captive" > soundtrack was "HEROIN." It's a cover of the classic Velvet Underground > From: "Adam J. Weitzman" > from THE CAPTIVE - THE EDGE (SOUNDTRACK) (Virgin: LP, cassette, CD) Unless I am very much mistaken, it is "heroine." Dunno about VU. Which album? Bng From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sun Dec 2 21:32:07 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA03041; Sun, 2 Dec 90 21:31:21 -0800 Received: from prodigal.psych.rochester.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA03035; Sun, 2 Dec 90 21:31:18 -0800 Received: by prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (4.1/1.16) id AA05705; Mon, 3 Dec 90 00:32:25 EST Date: Mon, 3 Dec 90 00:32:25 EST From: Derek "canister" Gross Message-Id: <9012030532.AA05705@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu> To: jitr Subject: More than you ever wanted to know about the _Captive_ soundtrack... Status: OR Virgin V 2401 [LP] Music from the film "CAPTIVE" THE EDGE with Michael Brook Written by The Edge produced by The Edge and Michael Brook. Engineered by Kevin Moloney with Pearse Dunne. Except: HEROINE - Vocal Sinead O'Connor. Lyric The Edge and Sinead O'Connor. Remixed by Steve Lillywhite. [...] Sinead O'Connor appears courtesy of Ensign Records Ltd. [the full title of the song is "Heroine (Theme from _Captive_)". no relation to the VU song.] [further even more scintillating information on the back of the record omitted.] From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Dec 3 01:01:56 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA05613; Mon, 3 Dec 90 01:00:22 -0800 Received: from danpost.uni-c.dk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA05568; Mon, 3 Dec 90 01:00:03 -0800 Received: from vax87.aud.auc.dk by danpost.uni-c.dk (5.65/4.7) id AA23863; Mon, 3 Dec 90 08:59:27 GMT Message-Id: <9012030859.AA23863@danpost.uni-c.dk> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 90 10:00 WET From: Lars Subject: Discography addition To: jump-in-the-river X-Vms-To: IN%"jump-in-the-river@presto.ig.com" Status: OR The first SOC album contains an extra track in the CD version. It's placed as the last track, and it's called "Just Call Me Joe" (as far as i can remember, without having the album by me). It features SOC with an intense voice (low and pleasant as always), and a slow, heavy guitar. - Lars - From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Dec 3 01:01:56 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA05613; Mon, 3 Dec 90 01:00:22 -0800 Received: from danpost.uni-c.dk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA05568; Mon, 3 Dec 90 01:00:03 -0800 Received: from vax87.aud.auc.dk by danpost.uni-c.dk (5.65/4.7) id AA23863; Mon, 3 Dec 90 08:59:27 GMT Message-Id: <9012030859.AA23863@danpost.uni-c.dk> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 90 10:00 WET From: Lars Subject: Discography addition To: jump-in-the-river X-Vms-To: IN%"jump-in-the-river@presto.ig.com" Status: OR The first SOC album contains an extra track in the CD version. It's placed as the last track, and it's called "Just Call Me Joe" (as far as i can remember, without having the album by me). It features SOC with an intense voice (low and pleasant as always), and a slow, heavy guitar. - Lars - From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Dec 3 01:01:56 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA05613; Mon, 3 Dec 90 01:00:22 -0800 Received: from danpost.uni-c.dk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA05568; Mon, 3 Dec 90 01:00:03 -0800 Received: from vax87.aud.auc.dk by danpost.uni-c.dk (5.65/4.7) id AA23863; Mon, 3 Dec 90 08:59:27 GMT Message-Id: <9012030859.AA23863@danpost.uni-c.dk> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 90 10:00 WET From: Lars Subject: Discography addition To: jump-in-the-river X-Vms-To: IN%"jump-in-the-river@presto.ig.com" Status: OR The first SOC album contains an extra track in the CD version. It's placed as the last track, and it's called "Just Call Me Joe" (as far as i can remember, without having the album by me). It features SOC with an intense voice (low and pleasant as always), and a slow, heavy guitar. - Lars - From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Dec 3 05:39:25 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA08687; Mon, 3 Dec 90 05:38:45 -0800 Received: from psuvm.psu.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA08683; Mon, 3 Dec 90 05:38:43 -0800 Message-Id: <9012031338.AA08683@presto.ig.com> Received: from PSUVM.PSU.EDU by PSUVM.PSU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.2MX) with BSMTP id 9693; Mon, 03 Dec 90 08:39:23 EST Received: by PSUVM (Mailer R2.07) id 2839; Mon, 03 Dec 90 08:39:23 EST Date: Mon, 3 Dec 90 08:39 EST From: Subject: HEROIN To: boris@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu Cc: jitr In-Reply-To: boris AT uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu -- Sun, 2 Dec 90 18:23:49 HST Status: OR You are very much mistaken. (unless, of course, I've made a HORRIBLE mistake, in which case I'm profusely sorry, but I'm almost completely positive here.) As far as I know, it's "Heroin," not "heroine," and it's a cover of the song on THE VELVET UNDERGROUND AND NICO (aka Plastic Banana, 1st song, 2nd side) Beth From weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu Mon Dec 3 07:14:47 1990 Received: from chaos.cs.brandeis.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA01447; Mon, 3 Dec 90 07:14:25 -0800 Received: by chaos.cs.brandeis.edu Mon, 3 Dec 90 10:14:53 est Date: Mon, 3 Dec 90 10:14:53 est From: "Adam J. Weitzman" Message-Id: <9012031514.AA22810@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> To: jitr-request, jitr Subject: Re: More than you ever wanted to know about the _Captive_ soundtrack... Status: OR [re Heroine] Thanx all. I'll change it. - Adam J Weitzman weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Dec 3 07:20:12 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA01479; Mon, 3 Dec 90 07:19:54 -0800 Received: from chaos.cs.brandeis.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA01475; Mon, 3 Dec 90 07:19:51 -0800 Received: by chaos.cs.brandeis.edu Mon, 3 Dec 90 10:20:24 est Date: Mon, 3 Dec 90 10:20:24 est From: "Adam J. Weitzman" Message-Id: <9012031520.AA22882@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> To: jitr Subject: Just Call Me Joe Status: OR It's in the discography already and it's not a CD bonus track: it's available on all three configurations of the album. Sorry to have to be the bearer of bad news. - Adam J Weitzman weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Dec 3 12:53:54 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA02764; Mon, 3 Dec 90 12:51:19 -0800 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA02748; Mon, 3 Dec 90 12:51:10 -0800 Received: from vax.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with SMTP inbound id <233-252@sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk>; Mon, 3 Dec 1990 18:18:04 +0000 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by vax.NSFnet-Relay.AC.UK via Janet with NIFTP id aa15158; 3 Dec 90 16:06 GMT Date: Mon, 03 Dec 90 16:32:37 GMT From: CSC2A0EL@cms1.ucs.leeds.ac.uk Subject: Interview To: jitr <@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk:jitr@presto.ig.com> Message-Id: <03 Dec 90 16:35:41 GMT #5489@UK.AC.LEEDS.CMS1> Status: OR Sinead rarely does interviews but I have one she did recently in a British magazine - I will post it up on here after Christmas if you want (it is rather large). Could someone also tell me what happened recently in America when Sinead visited - in England we didn't hear much except she wouldn't play the Star Spangled Banner and Frank Sinatra called her a spoilt child or something - I'd be interested to hear the real story... Stuart cazsjw@uk.ac.leeds.dcs From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Dec 3 12:53:55 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA02744; Mon, 3 Dec 90 12:51:09 -0800 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA02734; Mon, 3 Dec 90 12:50:59 -0800 Received: from vax.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with SMTP inbound id <233-240@sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk>; Mon, 3 Dec 1990 18:12:18 +0000 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by vax.NSFnet-Relay.AC.UK via Janet with NIFTP id aa15076; 3 Dec 90 16:02 GMT Date: Mon, 03 Dec 90 16:22:02 GMT From: CSC2A0EL@cms1.ucs.leeds.ac.uk Subject: Lyrics To: jitr <@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk:jitr@presto.ig.com> Message-Id: <03 Dec 90 16:32:23 GMT #5481@UK.AC.LEEDS.CMS1> Status: OR I've only just joined this mailing list so this may have appeared before but I thought I would post up some lyrics:- Troy I'll remember it, in Dublin in a rainstorm Sitting in the long grass in the summer, keeping warm I'll remember it, every restless night We were so young then, we thought that everything we could possibly do was righ t and we moves stolen from our very eyes and I wondered where you went to, and tell me, when did the light die You will rise, you'll return Like a phoenix from the flames You will learn You will rise You'll return You are what you are, there is no other Troy for you to burn I never meant to hurt you I swear I didn't mean those things I said I never meant to do that to you Next time I'll keep my hands to myself instead Oohh does she love you? What do you want to do? Does she need you like I do? Do you love her? Is she good for you? Does she hold you like I do? Do you want me? Should I leave? I know you're always telling me that you love me, it's just sometimes I wonder if I should believe oh I love you God I love you I'd kill a Dragon for you or die. And I will rise, I will return the phoenix from the flame I have learned I will rise and you'll see me return be what I am, there is no other Troy for me to burn Well you should have left the light on, you should have left the light on then I wouldn't have tried you'd never have known and I wouldn't have pulled you tighter no, I wouldn't have pulled you close I wouldn't have screamed "Now I can't let you go" if the door wasn't closed no, I wouldn't have pulled you to me no, I wouldn't have kissed your face You wouldn't have begged me to hold you if we hadn't have been there in the fir st place oh but I know you wanted me to be there oh oh Every look that you threw told me but you should have left the light on you should have left the light on When the flame burned away but you're still spitting fire makes no difference what you say you're still a liar you're still a liar you're still a liar... Stuart From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Dec 3 14:42:11 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA07817; Mon, 3 Dec 90 14:41:30 -0800 Received: from dragonfly.wri.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA07811; Mon, 3 Dec 90 14:41:24 -0800 Received: by dragonfly.wri.com id AA05662 (5.65+/IDA-1.3.4 for jitr@presto.ig.com); Mon, 3 Dec 90 16:41:18 -0600 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 90 16:41:18 -0600 From: Sue Ann Kendall Message-Id: <9012032241.AA05662@dragonfly.wri.com> To: jitr Subject: Sinead and Politics Status: OR I've been requested to find out if anyone knows whether Sinead has ties to the IRA. I hadn't heard of any, but maybe someone else has heard otherwise? I'd assume she'd be vaguely sympathetic, as are many Irish people, but that's the extent of my assumptions. Sue Ann Kendall sueann@wri.com From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Dec 3 14:48:34 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA07962; Mon, 3 Dec 90 14:47:19 -0800 Received: from UUNET.UU.NET by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA07954; Mon, 3 Dec 90 14:47:13 -0800 Received: from world.std.com by uunet.UU.NET (5.61/1.14) with SMTP id AA14435; Mon, 3 Dec 90 17:47:08 -0500 Received: by world.std.com (5.61++/Spike-2.0) id AA06941; Mon, 3 Dec 90 17:47:10 -0500 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 90 17:47:10 -0500 From: eliz@world.std.com (Elizabeth Lear Newman) Message-Id: <9012032247.AA06941@world.std.com> To: jitr Subject: Re: Please Unsubscribe Me... Status: OR *please* send delete requests to jitr-request only! That's the administrator's address for the list. ..eliz (herself admin for 4 lists) From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Dec 3 18:45:48 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA15003; Mon, 3 Dec 90 18:42:30 -0800 Received: from cunyvm.cuny.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA14987; Mon, 3 Dec 90 18:42:16 -0800 Received: from AMHERST by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.2MX) with BSMTP id 3040; Mon, 03 Dec 90 21:41:13 EST Date: Mon, 3 Dec 90 20:29 EST From: GGTZEUTSCHLE@amherst.bitnet Subject: Troy & Yeats? To: jitr Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: jitr@presto.ig.com X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" Status: OR Ok, all of you sinead fans/poetry scholars, out there, here is a question I've been asking myself ever since I first encountered this poem last year. Does anyone know if our beloved them-baldhead was inspired by William Butler Yeats' "No Second Troy" when she wrote Troy? There is no actual similarity in the words of the two poems, except for Yeats' last line, but here, I'll let you judge for yourselves. No Second Troy Why should I blame her that she filled my days With misery, or that she would of late Have taught to ignorant men most violent ways Or hurled the little streets upon the great, Had they but courage to equal desire? What could have made her peaceful with a mind That nobleness made simple as fire, With beautylike a tightened bow, a kind That is not natural in an age like this, Being high and solitary and most stern? Why, what could she have done, being what she is? Was there another Troy for her to burn? -- William Butler Yeats, 1910. [reprinted w/o permission from _Norton's Anthology of Modern Poetry_] The woman referred to is Maud Gonne, a fellow Irish revolutionary whom Yeats courted throughout his life, except for the interval when he was married, from 1914 until the death of his wife. Though the circumstances of the pain are different from Sinead's, I think the underlying desperation is similar. And the similarity between this last line and Sinead's chorus is too striking too ignore. A great poem, BTW, IMNSHO, but then, it's by Yeats. Peace, all. Greg. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Dec 4 05:40:08 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA18605; Tue, 4 Dec 90 05:39:24 -0800 Received: from CRDGW1.GE.COM by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA18601; Tue, 4 Dec 90 05:39:20 -0800 Received: by crdgw1.ge.com (5.57/GE 1.80) id AA24763; Tue, 4 Dec 90 08:37:45 EST Received: by zephyrus.crd.Ge.Com (4.1/SMI-4.0/GE-CRD @(#)sun4.ease 1.13 4/13/89) id AA23890; Tue, 4 Dec 90 08:39:14 EST Date: Tue, 4 Dec 90 08:39:14 EST From: darweesh@zephyrus.crd.ge.com (Michael Darweesh) Message-Id: <9012041339.AA23890@zephyrus.crd.Ge.Com> To: jitr Subject: Sinead's Reality Quotient Status: OR Has Sinead ever revealed any hints about how much of her songs she has really experienced? Has her life really been that rough? -Mike weesh@crd.ge.com From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Dec 6 13:26:42 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA13929; Thu, 6 Dec 90 13:24:00 -0800 Received: from cs.brown.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA13920; Thu, 6 Dec 90 13:23:55 -0800 Received: from fritz.cs.brown.edu by cs.brown.edu (5.64+/Doorknob-1.2) id AA15961; Thu, 6 Dec 90 16:22:26 -0500 Received: by fritz.cs.brown.edu (5.64+/BrownCS-1.1-test) id AA14226; Thu, 6 Dec 90 16:22:23 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Dec 90 16:22:23 -0500 From: dkb@cs.brown.edu (Dilip Barman) Message-Id: <9012062122.AA14226@fritz.cs.brown.edu> To: other-voices@bbn.com, ceremony@chsun1.uchicago.edu, jitr Subject: 10,000 Maniacs mailing list - any interest? Status: OR I'm thinking of starting a 10,000 Maniacs mailing list. Before considering it further, I wanted to "test the waters". Could I get a rough idea of whether there is interest by asking you to "just say yes" or whatever and drop me a short note if you would probably join such a group? If I get more than 12-15 people, it would probably be worthwhile. If I do start it up, it will probably be in early 1991. Dilip From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Dec 6 14:47:58 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA16819; Thu, 6 Dec 90 14:46:32 -0800 Received: from autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA16814; Thu, 6 Dec 90 14:46:26 -0800 Received: by autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu (4.0/1.35) id AA23023; Thu, 6 Dec 90 17:46:18 EST Date: Thu, 6 Dec 90 17:46:18 EST From: poulin@acsu.buffalo.edu (Marc C. Poulin) Message-Id: <9012062246.AA23023@autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu> To: dkb@cs.brown.edu Cc: other-voices@bbn.com, ceremony@chsun1.uchicago.edu, jitr In-Reply-To: Dilip Barman's message of Thu, 6 Dec 90 16:22:23 -0500 <9012062122.AA14226@fritz.cs.brown.edu> Subject: Re: 10,000 Maniacs mailing list - any interest? Status: OR I would definitely be interested. Marc From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Dec 6 17:03:10 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA13929; Thu, 6 Dec 90 13:24:00 -0800 Received: from cs.brown.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA13920; Thu, 6 Dec 90 13:23:55 -0800 Received: from fritz.cs.brown.edu by cs.brown.edu (5.64+/Doorknob-1.2) id AA15961; Thu, 6 Dec 90 16:22:26 -0500 Received: by fritz.cs.brown.edu (5.64+/BrownCS-1.1-test) id AA14226; Thu, 6 Dec 90 16:22:23 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Dec 90 16:22:23 -0500 From: dkb@cs.brown.edu (Dilip Barman) Message-Id: <9012062122.AA14226@fritz.cs.brown.edu> To: other-voices@bbn.com, ceremony@chsun1.uchicago.edu, jitr Subject: 10,000 Maniacs mailing list - any interest? Status: OR I'm thinking of starting a 10,000 Maniacs mailing list. Before considering it further, I wanted to "test the waters". Could I get a rough idea of whether there is interest by asking you to "just say yes" or whatever and drop me a short note if you would probably join such a group? If I get more than 12-15 people, it would probably be worthwhile. If I do start it up, it will probably be in early 1991. Dilip From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Dec 6 17:11:56 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA16819; Thu, 6 Dec 90 14:46:32 -0800 Received: from autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA16814; Thu, 6 Dec 90 14:46:26 -0800 Received: by autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu (4.0/1.35) id AA23023; Thu, 6 Dec 90 17:46:18 EST Date: Thu, 6 Dec 90 17:46:18 EST From: poulin@acsu.buffalo.edu (Marc C. Poulin) Message-Id: <9012062246.AA23023@autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu> To: dkb@cs.brown.edu Cc: other-voices@bbn.com, ceremony@chsun1.uchicago.edu, jitr In-Reply-To: Dilip Barman's message of Thu, 6 Dec 90 16:22:23 -0500 <9012062122.AA14226@fritz.cs.brown.edu> Subject: Re: 10,000 Maniacs mailing list - any interest? Status: OR I would definitely be interested. Marc From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sat Dec 8 06:33:10 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA07132; Sat, 8 Dec 90 06:26:47 -0800 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA06957; Sat, 8 Dec 90 06:26:13 -0800 Received: from vax.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with SMTP inbound id <7636-1@sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk>; Sat, 8 Dec 1990 13:31:06 +0000 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by vax.NSFnet-Relay.AC.UK via Janet with NIFTP id aa11491; 8 Dec 90 13:29 GMT Date: Fri, 07 Dec 90 22:05:28 GMT From: CSC2A0EL@cms1.ucs.leeds.ac.uk Subject: Re: Sinead's Reality Quotient To: jitr <@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk:jitr@presto.ig.com> Message-Id: <07 Dec 90 22:08:25 GMT #7308@UK.AC.LEEDS.CMS1> Status: OR > Has Sinead ever revealed any hints about how much of her songs she has > really experienced? Has her life really been that rought? As promised, I will post up a *big* review with Sinead from a British pop magazine after Christmas but I seem to remember Sinead stating that *all* of her songs are based on her past experiences. 'Feels so Different;' is an especially good example. Stuart cazsjw@uk.ac.leeds.dcs From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sat Dec 8 06:34:02 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA07227; Sat, 8 Dec 90 06:27:07 -0800 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA07176; Sat, 8 Dec 90 06:26:57 -0800 Received: from vax.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with SMTP inbound id <7622-5@sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk>; Sat, 8 Dec 1990 13:31:32 +0000 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by vax.NSFnet-Relay.AC.UK via Janet with NIFTP id aa11507; 8 Dec 90 13:29 GMT Date: Fri, 07 Dec 90 22:03:09 GMT From: CSC2A0EL@cms1.ucs.leeds.ac.uk Subject: The Captive To: jitr <@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk:jitr@presto.ig.com> Message-Id: <07 Dec 90 22:04:54 GMT #7302@UK.AC.LEEDS.CMS1> Status: OR Another film I know nothing about except Sinead did the music for - please could someone give me more details such as what its about, stars etc. Also - does anyone know where I can get the complete set of lyrics (or near enough complete set) from? Stuart cazsjw@uk.ac.leeds.dcs From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sat Dec 8 06:35:03 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA07159; Sat, 8 Dec 90 06:26:53 -0800 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA07134; Sat, 8 Dec 90 06:26:47 -0800 Received: from vax.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with SMTP inbound id <7622-4@sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk>; Sat, 8 Dec 1990 13:31:20 +0000 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by vax.NSFnet-Relay.AC.UK via Janet with NIFTP id aa11490; 8 Dec 90 13:29 GMT Date: Fri, 07 Dec 90 21:42:55 GMT From: CSC2A0EL@cms1.ucs.leeds.ac.uk Subject: Hush a Bye Baby To: jitr <@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk:jitr@presto.ig.com> Message-Id: <07 Dec 90 21:50:38 GMT #7286@UK.AC.LEEDS.CMS1> Status: OR Argghh!! I'm so annoyed - a friend phoned me up last night to say she had just seen a Sinead O'Connor film on TV and I hadn't taped it! (This is in England by the way...) I didn't even know that she had been in this film and I know nothing about the film itself - perhaps someone could enlighten me. (I know it's a real long shot - but did anyone reading this tape it??) I've had a couple of messages regarding my Troy lyrics - both informing me that I was wrong - sorry if I was but I wrote them down from listening to the song. Interestingly though there were a couple of clashes in what people said - I'll have to listen to the song a few more times before I elaborate much but I was told one line was 'and we moves stolen from our very eyes' whilst someone else told me it was 'and the moon, stolen from our very eyes'. One person told me the line 'Oohh does she love you?' was wrong and should have been 'Oh, and I sure love you' - I very much doubt this as this is an American expression and it is very unlikely thing for a irish Londoner to say. Stuart cazsjw@uk.ac.leeds.dcs PS So I don't make any more mistakes of posting things that have already been mentioned perhaps someone could post me any past messages that I may have missed - the first one I received was entitled 'Re: Early Sinead Stuff' and was from Beth about Heroin. Thanks 8-) From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Dec 10 08:37:37 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA09165; Mon, 10 Dec 90 08:36:36 -0800 Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA09152; Mon, 10 Dec 90 08:36:32 -0800 Received: from M66-466-1.MIT.EDU by ATHENA.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA00590; Mon, 10 Dec 90 11:36:28 EST From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Received: by M66-466-1.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA04023; Mon, 10 Dec 90 11:36:24 -0500 Message-Id: <9012101636.AA04023@M66-466-1.MIT.EDU> To: jitr Subject: Happy Birthday SOC! Date: Mon, 10 Dec 90 11:36:21 EST Status: OR In case you didn't know, SOC had her 24th Birthday on Dec. 8. Angelos PS. Does she perform at the Billboard awards show?? From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Dec 10 09:24:46 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA21182; Mon, 10 Dec 90 09:23:30 -0800 Received: from its.rpi.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA21170; Mon, 10 Dec 90 09:23:25 -0800 Received: from sub.its.rpi.edu (pawl7.pawl.rpi.edu) by its.rpi.edu (4.1/RPI-ITS-HUB16); id AA03853; Mon, 10 Dec 90 12:23:55 EST for jitr@presto.ig.com From: Ron Buckmire Received: by sub.its.rpi.edu (4.1/RPI-ITS-SUB12); id AA00974; Mon, 10 Dec 90 12:14:40 EST for jitr@presto.ig.com Date: Mon, 10 Dec 90 12:14:40 EST Message-Id: <9012101714.AA00974@sub.its.rpi.edu> To: jitr Subject: SOC on TV [FOX] 8pm-10pm tonite Status: OR Yes, Sinead will be performing on the BILLBOARD music awards tonight. I think she does 'Nothing Compares 2 U', which wins International Hit Single of the year award. RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. 1991: 'YEAR OF THE QUEER' ...uunet!rpi.edu!prince||prince@rpitsmts.bitnet||prince@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910 PrinceMADONNAJanetJacksonSineadO'ConnorGeorgeMichaelSaltnPepaTerenceTrentDarby MTVCNNFOXABCNBCVH1RobertBarnardIsaacAsimovGoreVidalTorchSongTrilogyMerylStreep From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sun Dec 16 20:52:24 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA29071; Sun, 16 Dec 90 20:39:29 -0800 Received: from its.rpi.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA29067; Sun, 16 Dec 90 20:39:27 -0800 Received: from sub.its.rpi.edu (pawl2.pawl.rpi.edu) by its.rpi.edu (4.1/RPI-ITS-HUB16); id AA07951; Sun, 16 Dec 90 23:38:52 EST for jitr@presto.ig.com From: Ron Buckmire Received: by sub.its.rpi.edu (4.1/RPI-ITS-SUB12); id AA02620; Sun, 16 Dec 90 23:38:06 EST for prince@icpsr.umich.edu Date: Sun, 16 Dec 90 23:38:06 EST Message-Id: <9012170438.AA02620@sub.its.rpi.edu> To: jitr, prince@icpsr.umich.edu Subject: Prince kidnaps Sinead?? Status: OR Did anyone see THE WEEK IN ROCK this week with Kurt Loder? The lead story was that Sinead had reported to some magazine/newspaper that she had been held against her will and threatened with physical violence by Prince one night this week while she had been visiting him, alone. Prince's spokesperson said "I don't know what she's talking about. It never happened." but Sinead is said to be sticking by her story. She said that she had been visiting him at about 5:30 in the morning and that he had started screaming at her and berating her, threatening her with violence and was laughing at how scared she was, amused at how "his power as a man was intimidating her". Sinead said "I can understand him being upset with me, but I don't understand him threatening to beat me, to use physical violence." Who knows if this story will develop further but Kurt Loder usually does a good job of following up these things... RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. 1991: 'YEAR OF THE QUEER' ...uunet!rpi.edu!prince||prince@rpitsmts.bitnet||prince@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910 "In 1988 1800 homosexuals were dischaged from the military. The cost to train them was $23 000 000. 35% of those discharged were women. Women make up only 5% of the military. " -- MTV's _Buzz_. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Dec 19 20:02:45 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA28136; Wed, 19 Dec 90 20:00:43 -0800 Received: from its.rpi.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA28129; Wed, 19 Dec 90 20:00:38 -0800 Received: from sub.its.rpi.edu (pawl23.pawl.rpi.edu) by its.rpi.edu (4.1/RPI-ITS-HUB17); id AA09214; Wed, 19 Dec 90 23:01:07 EST for jitr@presto.ig.com From: Ron Buckmire Received: by sub.its.rpi.edu (4.1/RPI-ITS-SUB12); id AA02704; Wed, 19 Dec 90 23:01:17 EST for jitr@presto.ig.com Date: Wed, 19 Dec 90 23:01:17 EST Message-Id: <9012200401.AA02704@sub.its.rpi.edu> To: jitr Subject: SINEAD suing George Michael!? Cc: funky-music@apollo.lap.upenn.edu Status: OR Has anyone picked up the CD5 to george Michael's "Freedom 90"? Well, in the 'Back To Reality' mix he samples the violin line from "I Am Stretched On Your Grave" [as well as the rhythm from Soul II Soul's "Back To Life" and the hook from Neneh Cherry's "Buffalo Stance"!] without giving credit. Allegedly Sinead [and the guy from THE WATERBOYS, who co-wrote the song] are going to sue George for 'sampling without a warrant' :-) What will they think of next? Basically I guess it is good, but I always thought that in 12" dance remixes sampling is anything goes! RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. 1991: 'YEAR OF THE QUEER' ...uunet!rpi.edu!prince||prince@rpitsmts.bitnet||prince@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910 "In 1988 1800 homosexuals were dischaged from the military. The cost to train them was $23 000 000. 35% of those discharged were women. Women make up only 5% of the military. " -- MTV's _Buzz_. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Dec 20 05:42:33 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA07348; Thu, 20 Dec 90 05:39:34 -0800 Received: from CRDGW1.GE.COM by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA07344; Thu, 20 Dec 90 05:39:30 -0800 Received: by crdgw1.ge.com (5.57/GE 1.80) id AA21841; Thu, 20 Dec 90 08:38:52 EST Received: by zephyrus.crd.Ge.Com (4.1/SMI-4.0/GE-CRD @(#)sun4.ease 1.13 4/13/89) id AA06810; Thu, 20 Dec 90 08:39:20 EST Date: Thu, 20 Dec 90 08:39:20 EST From: darweesh@zephyrus.crd.ge.com (Michael Darweesh) Message-Id: <9012201339.AA06810@zephyrus.crd.Ge.Com> To: jitr, prince@rpi.edu Subject: Re: SINEAD suing George Michael!? Cc: funky-music@apollo.lap.upenn.edu Status: OR Good mix...I was kinda hoping that George Michael had sampled that stuff "with a warrant". Also, anyone heard more about the prince/sinead problem? I've heard the "standard" story as distributed to the local radio station and MTV, but is there any other news? "Have a cool Yule" -Snoopy -Mike weesh@crd.ge.com