From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sat Sep 1 18:29:28 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA06746; Sat, 1 Sep 90 18:24:34 -0700 Received: from STAR-TREK.BBN.COM by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA06737; Sat, 1 Sep 90 18:24:29 -0700 Message-Id: <9009020124.AA06737@presto.ig.com> To: jitr Subject: Re: Is anybody home ? In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 29 Aug 90 17:16:17 -0400. <9008292116.AA14224@graphics.cis.upenn.edu> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 90 09:03:38 -0400 From: eboneste@bbn.com Status: OR >Hello! Is anybody out there ?!? Well, *I* am, anyway. I very much enjoyed your rec.music.misc post. The only things I might add are 1) We forget (and I'll probably be insulting a lot of folks out there with this ;-)) that she's still very young. I sincerely doubt she had any idea the uproar such a simple request would cause. If she had, she might have avoided the venue altogether. I certainly don't think it was a publicity stunt. 2) Anybody who puts their pride in themselves and/or their nation into one little song has a serious identity problem. A woman on the radio this morning said that Sinead was practicing censorship by asking the stadium not to play the anthem. An interesting idea, but I don't think it really holds water. She didn't tell them they *couldn't* play the national anthem, she merely told them they had to choose. Why do I get the feeling that if Bruce Springsteen had done the same thing in Ireland we'd have a different controversy on our hands? Liz From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sat Sep 1 18:40:46 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA07065; Sat, 1 Sep 90 18:40:22 -0700 Received: from cs.brown.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA07061; Sat, 1 Sep 90 18:40:17 -0700 Received: from ariel.cs.brown.edu by cs.brown.edu (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA02813; Thu, 30 Aug 90 10:56:30 EDT Date: Thu, 30 Aug 90 10:56:30 EDT From: ied@cs.brown.edu (Ido Ein-Dor) Message-Id: <9008301456.AA02813@cs.brown.edu> Received: by ariel.cs.brown.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1-BrownCS-1.0) id AA00162; Thu, 30 Aug 90 10:56:29 EDT To: bhatlas@pyrite.som.cwru.edu Cc: sks@cs.brown.edu, jitr In-Reply-To: Sunil Bhatla's message of Wed, 20 Jun 90 23:55:17 EDT <9008281721.AA10493@cs.brown.edu> Subject: [bhatlas@pyrite.som.cwru.edu: CD booklet offer - Lion & Cobra lyrics] Status: OR I have recently received a copy of your lyric booklet. It is really great ! Unless you have updated something, I do not need another copy. Thanks a lot for the effort - from an avid fan. - Ido ******************************************************************************* * ied == Ido Ein-Dor * * * * e-mail : ied@cs.brown.edu * * * * USPS : office - Box 1910 home - 36 Tenth St. * * Brown University Providence, R.I. 02906 * * Providence, R.I. 02912 * * * * tel : (401) 863 - 7663 (401) 751 - 8526 * * * ******************************************************************************* * Mr. Cole's Axiom : The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; * * The population is growing. * ******************************************************************************* From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sat Sep 1 19:11:47 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA08048; Sat, 1 Sep 90 19:11:18 -0700 Received: from prodigal.psych.rochester.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA08039; Sat, 1 Sep 90 19:11:12 -0700 Received: by prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (4.1/1.15) id AA09855; Fri, 31 Aug 90 01:16:27 EDT Date: Fri, 31 Aug 90 01:16:27 EDT From: Derek "Janeiro" Gross Message-Id: <9008310516.AA09855@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu> To: jitr Subject: SkINhEAD at Darien Lake, NY, 30 Aug 90 Cc: katz@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu, zukowski@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu Status: OR not a full-fledged review, just some shortly-post-show impressions and quotes. "Thank you very much. Thank you very much indeed." Some of the time she seemed fed up -- couldn't say whether with the audience (as usual there were plenty of boors who ignored her requests to be quiet for the quiet songs so she could hear herself), the sound system, the stress of the national-anthem thing, or just the rigors of touring. At other times, though, she was pretty into it. She did say she was very tired (but added once, "but who gives a shit?"). Oh yeah, at the end she apologized (unnecessarily, I think) for being harsh to the people who wouldn't shut up. Opening act was Flight of Mavis. I confess I used the opportunity to practice sign language with my companion and didn't pay too much attention to the music. Set included everything from _I Do Not Want_ except "You Cause As Much Sorrow" and "I Do Not Want," plus "Get Up, Stand Up," "Jerusalem," "Put Your Hands On Me," and an a cappella song about Ireland (don't know if original or not). Encores: "Black Is The Color of My True Love's Hair" (old folk song), "My Special Child" (new Sinead song). Favorite quote of the evening: "To you men -- if there're any nice ones out there -- I'm available. You have to be over 30 and drug-free. And I like stubble." Oh well, I have at best 3 out of 4 going for me, and the 4th I can't do much about )-8. (So much for Hugh Harris, I guess.) Lots of people in black, or goths, or whatever you call them, in the audience. Black lipstick, crucifixes, and all. A few Irish flags being waved, no U.S. flags that I saw (unless you count the "when it's radical to be liberal, flags will burn" green white and orange one on my Michelle Shocked t-shirt). "If there's anyone who wants to sing the national anthem, could you please wait till the end." All quotes guaranteed almost verbatim but not quite. Derek derek@psych.rochester.edu From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sun Sep 2 01:20:54 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA27976; Sun, 2 Sep 90 01:19:26 -0700 Received: from uunet.UU.NET by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA27966; Sun, 2 Sep 90 01:19:10 -0700 Received: from sco.UUCP by uunet.uu.net (5.61/1.14) with UUCP id AA07605; Thu, 30 Aug 90 14:32:30 -0400 Received: from romulan.sco.COM by viscous.sco.COM id aa19792; Thu, 30 Aug 90 8:55:11 PDT To: jitr Subject: Yes, we're home Date: Thu Aug 30 08:49:58 1990 From: tracyr@sco.com (Tracy Roberts) Message-Id: <9008300854.aa15627@romulan.sco.COM> Status: OR Joe, it seems all the Sinead discussion has moved over to Gaffa temporarily. Here, have a look: >From uunet!gaffa.MIT.EDU!nessus Wed Aug 29 03:58:56 1990 Received: from viscous.sco.COM by romulan.sco.COM id ab29620; Wed, 29 Aug 90 3:57:11 PDT Received: from gaffa.mit.edu by uunet.uu.net (5.61/1.14) with SMTP id AA15290; Wed, 29 Aug 90 06:21:32 -0400 Received: by gaffa.MIT.EDU (5.61/DA1.0.2) id AA09898; Wed, 29 Aug 90 06:04:18 -0400 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 90 06:04:18 -0400 Message-Id: <9008291004.AA09898@gaffa.MIT.EDU> Subject: Love-Hounds Digest From: Doug Alan To: Love-Hounds@eddie.mit.edu [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Steve Wallis Date: Tue, 28 Aug 90 12:45:32 BST Subject: Re: barr roseanne? No, Skin sinead gld@cunixd.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes: >Did Sinead give a reason? Many people oppose the exhibition of overt >nationalism, and certainly if you were a performing artist giving >*your* show ... well? Absolutely. I'm sure Sinead objected on principle, and she had every right to do so. Having a national anthem played conveys a political message (of support for American nationalism), a message with which Sinead obviously does not agree. I don't know whether Sinead sings any particularly political songs, but imagine if KT (if she toured again...) sang songs such as _Army_Dreamers_ and _Breathing_ - KT would certainly also refuse to be associated with an anthem which would convey opposing sentiments and trivialise her views. >>Anyway, now several DJs in NJ are banning sinead. > >Quite possibly Sinead did not realize that the hordes would start >a jihad in the name of their political religion. If she realised that the hordes would start such a jihad, she would be even more determined to stick up for her principles. Of course, several DJs are hardly "hordes" and don't represent the American public (although after reading this discussion, I'm not so sure...) >How many venues >in the US play the national anthem before a rock show (or anything >else?). At least I wouldn't have expected it in our area (I'm in >Manhattan) or back in Canada (where we do play ours before hockey). National anthems do not get played at rock shows in Britain (indeed, there would probably be an outcry if one *was* played). Theatres, however, are a different kettle of fish - they are quite commonplace at plays and musicals. Steve. / / / \ / / -------------Steve Wallis------------- \/\ /\ \/ \ / \\/ / | JANET: stevew@uk.ac.man.cs.r5 | / \ \/ \/ \\//\ / | Internet: stevew@r5.cs.man.ac.uk | \/ \/ | UUCP: ..mcvax!ukc!man.cs.r5!stevew | [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 28 Aug 90 08:48 EDT From: "UMSA04::UMSA04::MRGATE::\"A1::D9BDHUNT\""%UMS.TOWSON.EDU@mitvma.mit.edu Subject: Sinead From: NAME: Dr. Robin B. Huntington FUNC: Univ. of MD System Admn. TEL: 301-853-3611 To: IN%"LOVE-HOUNDS@GAFFA.MIT.EDU"@UMS@MRGATE As I understand it, Sinead doesn't allow ANY national anthems, including her own, to be played before her concerts, just on GP. Robin P.S. This is my SECOND attempt at posting a message. On my first attempt, I followed all the instructions on my handy-dandy introduction form letter, but to no avail. How come some folks get their messages posted TWICE, and I can't get a word in edgewise?! :-( [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 28 Aug 90 08:09:51 EDT From: JONES%RPIECS.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu Subject: Sinead Hello there fellow Love-Hounds-- The current Sinead controversy has hit close to home here in the Capital District area in New York, and so I decided to throw in my typical two cents' worth. Sinead is scheduled to play at Saratoga Perfomring Arts Center (affectionately known to locals as SPAC) on September 2, and there have been recent rumours of her show being cancelled and/or banned because of her refusal to have the national anthem played in New Jersey. What I basically have to say about this whole thing is that it's pretty ridiculous; as many others have said, I can't ever remember attending a rock concert at which the national anthem was played. Sports events, yes...concerts, no. So I don't see what the big stink is about Sinead's refusal to have the anthem played; why should she be treated differently than any other performer?? That's it for now.... All the best, Deb Wentorf [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 28 Aug 90 13:07:57 +0100 From: rmf%fctunl.rccn.pt@mitvma.mit.edu (Rui Manuel Falcao) MT Subject: [rec.music.gaffa] Re: Kate X bitmaps [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 28 Aug 90 09:31:19 EDT From: kilmer@cs.rutgers.edu (Hank) Subject: Re: Sinead It is custom at the particular arena that this controversy is over for the anthem to be played. It is played there at _every_ concert or event. That is why there is a controversy. Notice I didn't give my opinion on the matter...... -- Henry W. Kilmer kilmer@aramis.rutgers.edu :-) [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 28 Aug 90 10:43:55 EDT From: greg@Viewlogic.COM (Gregory Larkin) Subject: Re: barr roseanne? No, Skin sinead In article <9008280119.AA16116@hydra.unm.edu> you write: |> Really-From: Lazlo Nibble |> |> Excuse me? What local custom? What ego trip? The local custom of playing the national anthem before any event at the arena in question. |> |> I've never been to a single concert where the National Anthem was played |> beforehand -- it may be a custom at baseball games or Willie Nelson's |> Fourth Of July Picnic, but it sure isn't a custom at rock concerts in |> this part of the country. (Maybe New Jersey is different.) So why does a rock concert have to be any different than any other type of gathering? Does a rock performer automatically get the right to change things as they see fit? Maybe Sinead has more to say than, say, a Japanese baseball team, but if either one of them comes to our country, wouldn't it simply be courtesy on either of their parts to respect the wishes of their hosts? This country has a sad history of bigotry against almost every nationality on Earth, and incidents such as these will continue it. |> |> Sinead is perfectly within her rights to refuse to have her concert |> prepended with "The Star Spangled Banner", just as you're within your |> rights to boycott or unburden yourself of her music if she does so. |> But, quite frankly, I think that the people who are protesting her "ego |> trip" (some ego trip -- God forbid that an artist exercise any control |> over the presentation of her work) are being jingoistic, idolatrous |> fools. The funniest thing about this is that if an American performer were to travel to Europe and do the same thing, the performer would probably be criticized as another "ugly American" by the Europeans, and with good reason. After traveling to Europe recently, I can tell you from experience that there are many "ugly Americans" over there and we should be doing as much as we can to foster respect between all countries. I am not as outraged as you might portray me to be, Lazlo; I just think that Sinead should, as an international personality, strive to promote respect among people. Highly visible people should always be conscious of their actions. Lazlo, you don't sound like the kind of person who forms stereotypical opinions, but I'm certain that someone less educated than yourself could look at this incident and form some incorrect opinions and make sweeping generalizations about other rock performers, or the Irish people, or whatever. |> |> There are a lot of knee-jerk patriots floating around this country |> lately. Are these folks going to demand American flags on both sides |> of the stage at concerts next? Pledges of Allegiance by the band |> before every show? Red-white-and-blue fireworks shows after every |> encore? Are people just considered worthless scum in this country |> nowadays unless they spend more time cowtowing to the symbols of |> "America" than they do protecting and utilizing the rights and freedoms |> those symbols allegedly represent? I think you are getting a little out of hand in your condemnation of anyone who disagrees with Sinead in this matter. Obviously, flags and the Pledge of Allegiance are not commonplace in most concert venues in the United States, but certainly it would not harm you or any performer if they were. Anyone who objected to displays of your so-called "knee-jerk" patriotism could simply wait and enter the concert after the two minute offense to their individualism. I didn't say that I would like for all concert halls to be tributes to the American fight for independence, I just said that if a particular area has a custom, then it should not be disturbed. -- Greg Larkin (ASIC Engineer) Viewlogic Systems, Inc. (The CAE Company) 293 Boston Post Road West ------------------------------------- Marlboro, MA 01752 |"We've got captains not courageous,| 508 480 0881 x321 |captains tumbling into madness..." | E-mail: greg@Viewlogic.COM |Peter Garrett, Midnight Oil | ------------------------------------- [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 28 Aug 90 10:07:02 CDT From: stern@chem.nwu.edu (Charlotte Stern) Subject: Sinead vs. Uncle Sam All right. What is the problem here? I agree with just about everything Lazlo said... I have *NEVER* been to a concert of *any* type at which the national anthem is played. Not classical, not rock, not anything. I have never even wondered about it. I do wonder why this is a tradition at the GSAC. I do not think Sinead was out of line, and I certainly don't agree with DJs and their personal vendetta. But then again, I get sickened when I go to an Illini football game and the cheerleaders run around with red white and blues and everybody is so bloody American. People tend to over do it, but what can you say about the most ethnocentric country in the world? Oh, I just remembered a concert at which the star spangled banner was played. It was a big one, too. Woodstock. -mjm [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 28 Aug 90 16:37:13 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Subject: barr roseanne? No, Skin sinead I probably know better than to jump in to this debate, but since no one has asked me... Greg Larkin says (in reply to Lazlo Nibble) > ... I didn't > say that I would like for all concert halls to be > tributes to the American fight for independence, I > just said that if a particular area has a custom, > then it should not be disturbed. IMHO, one of the most important aspects of modern popular music is that it _does_ disturb customs, be they local, national, or global. Greg quotes Midnight Oil in his signature: a good example of a group that deliberately attempts to disturb its audience into paying attention to political and environmental issues. Her KaTeness has built a career on upsetting peoples ideas of pop music -- novices reactions to my playing, say, _Get Out of My House_ tend to be shock, horror and even revulsion (until they achieve enlightment, that is, and I untie them). Anyone who thinks KT's music doesn't have political significance turn on the radio and listen to the type of music women are _supposed_ to make. If Sinead has started some arguments in New Jersey, and maybe made some people think, then she has helped to keep popular music an important part of our (I mean the world's) culture. I am also reminded that the melody of the Star Spangled Banner came from a popular song circa 1812, and frankly, the a cappella folk songs Sinead is singing this tour ar far more moving. Though given the number of goofball fans standing on their seats at Sinead's Great Woods concert, "O say can you see" is a very appropriate sentiment... 8-] Vickie, good to hear that you are back on the air. Just wish I could pick up a broadcast here in Boston... Also, thanks to those who recommended Hetch Hetchy -- I got _Swollen_, Bossanova (Pixies), and Graffiti Bridge (his purpleness) yesterday, and listened to them here at work today. !! ( NOTE: Bossanova is maybe not quite as good as Doolittle, but definately recommended, and Graffiti Bridge is great, but then I'm a sucker for Prince.) PLEASE, y'all, keep recommending musicians and albums; seems like I've bought everything by my favorite artists, and I live on new music... (OK, OK, I'm sending off for Happy's tapes!) Footah! <- Note this is a cheerful exclaimation (from the Love and Rockets comic book), _not_ a name. -greg (ah, now there's a name...) -- gb10@gte.com -- "Share and Enjoy!" [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 29 Aug 90 11:50:35 +1000 From: Brian.May@mel.dit.csiro.au Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Path: brian From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May) Subject: Sinead & 'Patriotism' [short] (sorry 'bout lack of musical content) Message-ID: <1990Aug29.015031.27900@mel.dit.csiro.au> Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.) References: <9008281443.AA00895@mobius> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 90 01:50:31 GMT (I've no access to a US 'political' BBS, so this is my 1 & only post on the subject) [Lazlo & Greg's disagreement mainly deleted - you've seen it already!] ================ I think that Sinead's and Lazlo's point (also my belief) is that such Nationalism (especially outrage over refusing National anthems or [much stronger] flag burning) leads you well down the road to a 'superiority complex' over other nations. Now, you should realise her decision was based on a disgust/distaste for nationalism/patriotism, not America as most of the enraged people around this issue seem to think. I'm sure love hounds are sick of this by now, so, flames by email. brian -- |Brian May, DIT, CSIRO, | Open Communications Program | |55 Barry st, Carlton, | (TEL) +61 3 347 8644 (g3FAX) +61 3 347 8987 | |VIC 3053, Australia. | ACSNET:brian@ditmela.mel.dit.csiro.au | [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 28 Aug 90 22:33:59 CDT From: news@acns.nwu.edu Date: 29 Aug 90 03:33:57 GMT From: The News System To: rec-music-gaffa Subject: Submission for rec-music-gaffa Responding-System: accuvax.nwu.edu Path: accuvax.nwu.edu!delta.eecs.nwu.edu!kaufman From: kaufman@delta.eecs.nwu.edu (Michael L. Kaufman) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: barr roseanne? No, Skin sinead Message-ID: <11434@accuvax.nwu.edu> Date: 29 Aug 90 03:33:56 GMT References: <9008281443.AA00895@mobius> Sender: news@accuvax.nwu.edu Reply-To: kaufman@delta.eecs.nwu.edu (Michael L. Kaufman) Organization: Northwestern U, Evanston IL, USA Lines: 12 In article <9008281443.AA00895@mobius> Love-Hounds@gaffa.MIT.EDU writes: Really-From: greg@Viewlogic.COM (Gregory Larkin) >This country has a sad history of bigotry against almost every nationality on >Earth, and incidents such as these will continue it. I have to agree with Greg. People getting bent out of shape, just because an peoson does not want to have another countries national anthem played, is a kind of bigotry we can all do without. Michael [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 28 Aug 90 21:05 PDT From: IED0DXM%OAC.UCLA.EDU@mitvma.mit.edu Subject: MisK. To: Love-Hounds From: Andrew Marvick (IED) Subject: MisK. About this Sinead business: Bravo, Lazlo. Well said. -- Andrew Marvick [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 29 Aug 90 1:20:02 EST From: woj Subject: shopping didn't find much of anything in new york...looked at _temple of truth_ again, but couldn't justify the $20 they were asking for songs i have live elsewhere. i did buy a 7" interview set. one disc is a pic disc bearing the same photo as that cd interview disc is posted about earlier in the summer and the other disc is white/gray with a purple label. no information about the interview is given, but i believe it has laready been transcribed by fingers more industrious than these... the white vinyl is labeled: Kate Bush KB7 Made in England Interview 1986 Limited Edition of 1000 glad to hear that vickie may again be on the airwaves...i'm still settling here, but maybe in the fall, i'll be on wfmu in east orange (i hope). woj (busily trying make his KaTeposTers fit in the Korner over his bed for his own KaTeshrine - while not running out of tacks :) [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Pablo Iglesias Date: Tue, 28 Aug 90 23:41:13 BST Subject: mailing lists Can I be added to the mailing lists, please Pablo Iglesias Dept Engineering Cambridge University pi@eng.cam.ac.uk >From MIT the following address works for sure (this is slightly weird) pi%uk.ac.cambridge.engineering.digsys@mitvma [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 28 Aug 90 23:25:58 -0700 From: More Blank Than Frank Subject: GLC I noted with interest that Ed (hi, Ed!) brought "GLC" to Chris'n'Vickie's (hi, CHris'n'Vickie!); Does this mean that there actually is a finished product (video)? Or are we just talking about the song _Ken_ here? Inquiring minds want to know. Ed, when you get back 'round here, lemme know about this, OK? (408) 255-3238... Thanks! Also, Vickie--please add me to the at-the-door list; not sure how I'm gonna afford it, but what the hey... Michael Butler Cupertino CA ...my .sig is at the cleaners /If the big eyes of my God/Weren't watching me/I'd steal you away/ --KTB [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] End of Love-Hounds Digest From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sun Sep 2 09:49:52 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA22096; Sun, 2 Sep 90 09:46:49 -0700 Received: from mica.Berkeley.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA22089; Sun, 2 Sep 90 09:46:46 -0700 Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by mica.berkeley.edu (4.1/1.31) id AA02820; Sun, 2 Sep 90 09:46:44 PDT Date: Sun, 2 Sep 90 09:46:44 PDT From: jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) Message-Id: <9009021646.AA02820@mica.berkeley.edu> Received: by remarque.berkeley.edu (4.1/1.31) id AA02491; Sun, 2 Sep 90 09:46:43 PDT To: jump-in-the-river Subject: National Anthem Status: OR .-. |I|'ve never heard of a national anthem being played before a rock `-' concert in Pennsylvania (my home state). I suspect it was all part of wartime jingoism. Our boys are overseas, so let's pump up the folks at home. .-. |W|ildly inappropriate, if you ask me. `-' <_Jym_> From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Sep 7 08:00:15 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA17171; Fri, 7 Sep 90 07:58:46 -0700 Received: from rpi.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA17165; Fri, 7 Sep 90 07:58:38 -0700 Received: from pawl.rpi.edu (imagine.pawl.rpi.edu) by rpi.edu (4.1/SM47-RPI-ITS); id AA26512; Fri, 7 Sep 90 10:58:30 EDT for jitr@presto.ig.com Received: from sub.pawl.rpi.edu (pawl9.pawl.rpi.edu) by pawl.rpi.edu (4.1/HUB10); id AA12996; Fri, 7 Sep 90 10:55:53 EDT for jitr@presto.ig.com From: Ron Buckmire Received: by sub.pawl.rpi.edu (4.1/PSUB09); id AA01926; Fri, 7 Sep 90 10:56:21 EDT for jitr@presto.ig.com Date: Fri, 7 Sep 90 10:56:21 EDT Message-Id: <9009071456.AA01926@sub.pawl.rpi.edu> To: jitr Subject: Sinead kicks butt at MTV Awards Status: OR The winners in the 1990 Video Music Awards are below... BEST VIDEO (Viewer's Choice Award) Aerosmith -- Janie's Got A Gun BEST VIDEO Sinead O'Connor -- Nothing Compares 2 U BEST FEMALE VIDEO Sinead O'Connor -- Nothing Compares 2 U BEST MALE VIDEO Don Henley -- The End of The Innocence BEST GROUP VIDEO B-52's -- Love Shack BEST RAP VIDEO M.C. Hammer -- U Can't Touch This BEST METAL/HARD ROCK VIDEO Aerosmith -- Janie's Got A Gun BEST DANCE VIDEO M.C. Hammer -- U Can't Touch This BEST CHOREOGRAPHY IN A VIDEO Janet Jackson/Anthony Thomas -- Rhythm Nation BEST POST-MODERN VIDEO Sinead O'Connor -- Nothing Compares 2 U BEST NEW ARTIST Michael Penn -- No Myth BEST VIDEO FROM A FILM Billy Idol -- Cradle Of Love BEST DIRECTOR David Fincher -- Vogue BEST BREAKTHROUGH VIDEO Jim Blashfield/Tears For Fears -- Sowing The Seeds Of Love BEST ART DIRECTION Martin Laschowitz -- B-52's "Love Shack" BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY Pascal Lebesgue -- Madonna's "Vogue" BEST EDITING Jim Haygood -- Madonna's "Vogue" BEST SPECIAL EFFECTS Jim Blashfield -- Tears For Fears' "Sowing The Seeds Of Love" Ron Buckmire prince@rpitsmts.bitnet prince@pawl.rpi.edu uunet!pawl.rpi.edu!prince "Censorship in any form is bad. But censorship when it is really racism in disguise is even worse." - Sinead O'Connor, at the 1990 MTV Video Music Awards. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sat Sep 8 16:55:09 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA23269; Mon, 27 Aug 90 15:56:06 -0700 Received: from rpi.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA23252; Mon, 27 Aug 90 15:55:52 -0700 Received: from pawl.rpi.edu (imagine.pawl.rpi.edu) by rpi.edu (4.1/SM47-RPI-ITS); id AA02215; Mon, 27 Aug 90 18:54:47 EDT for jitr@presto.ig.com Received: from sub.pawl.rpi.edu (pawl6.pawl.rpi.edu) by pawl.rpi.edu (4.1/HUB10); id AA16248; Mon, 27 Aug 90 18:53:20 EDT for jitr@presto.ig.com From: Ron Buckmire Received: by sub.pawl.rpi.edu (4.1/PSUB09); id AA01402; Mon, 27 Aug 90 18:54:21 EDT for jitr@presto.ig.com Date: Mon, 27 Aug 90 18:54:21 EDT Message-Id: <9008272254.AA01402@sub.pawl.rpi.edu> To: jitr Subject: Sinead and The National Anthem Status: OR Everyone hear about the fracas going on because Sinead said that she would refuse to perform on Saturday in New Jersey if the national anthem was played before she went on? Apparently this arena plays the US anthem before every event. Sinead said she had a problem with performing after the playing of any national anthem, even that of Ireland. There is a picture of her on the cover of the New York Post from the 1989 Grammy Awards when she had the PE logo on her *completely* shaved head. Oh, the site in New Jersey has permanently banned her from performing there. She is also in USA TODAY with a little blurb on the issue. bi4now; Ron Buckmire prince@rpitsmts.bitnet prince@pawl.rpi.edu uunet!pawl.rpi.edu!prince "Somewhere between Kate Bush and Madonna." - Sinead O'Connor, about her music. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sat Sep 8 17:03:02 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA17171; Fri, 7 Sep 90 07:58:46 -0700 Received: from rpi.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA17165; Fri, 7 Sep 90 07:58:38 -0700 Received: from pawl.rpi.edu (imagine.pawl.rpi.edu) by rpi.edu (4.1/SM47-RPI-ITS); id AA26512; Fri, 7 Sep 90 10:58:30 EDT for jitr@presto.ig.com Received: from sub.pawl.rpi.edu (pawl9.pawl.rpi.edu) by pawl.rpi.edu (4.1/HUB10); id AA12996; Fri, 7 Sep 90 10:55:53 EDT for jitr@presto.ig.com From: Ron Buckmire Received: by sub.pawl.rpi.edu (4.1/PSUB09); id AA01926; Fri, 7 Sep 90 10:56:21 EDT for jitr@presto.ig.com Date: Fri, 7 Sep 90 10:56:21 EDT Message-Id: <9009071456.AA01926@sub.pawl.rpi.edu> To: jitr Subject: Sinead kicks butt at MTV Awards Status: OR The winners in the 1990 Video Music Awards are below... BEST VIDEO (Viewer's Choice Award) Aerosmith -- Janie's Got A Gun BEST VIDEO Sinead O'Connor -- Nothing Compares 2 U BEST FEMALE VIDEO Sinead O'Connor -- Nothing Compares 2 U BEST MALE VIDEO Don Henley -- The End of The Innocence BEST GROUP VIDEO B-52's -- Love Shack BEST RAP VIDEO M.C. Hammer -- U Can't Touch This BEST METAL/HARD ROCK VIDEO Aerosmith -- Janie's Got A Gun BEST DANCE VIDEO M.C. Hammer -- U Can't Touch This BEST CHOREOGRAPHY IN A VIDEO Janet Jackson/Anthony Thomas -- Rhythm Nation BEST POST-MODERN VIDEO Sinead O'Connor -- Nothing Compares 2 U BEST NEW ARTIST Michael Penn -- No Myth BEST VIDEO FROM A FILM Billy Idol -- Cradle Of Love BEST DIRECTOR David Fincher -- Vogue BEST BREAKTHROUGH VIDEO Jim Blashfield/Tears For Fears -- Sowing The Seeds Of Love BEST ART DIRECTION Martin Laschowitz -- B-52's "Love Shack" BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY Pascal Lebesgue -- Madonna's "Vogue" BEST EDITING Jim Haygood -- Madonna's "Vogue" BEST SPECIAL EFFECTS Jim Blashfield -- Tears For Fears' "Sowing The Seeds Of Love" Ron Buckmire prince@rpitsmts.bitnet prince@pawl.rpi.edu uunet!pawl.rpi.edu!prince "Censorship in any form is bad. But censorship when it is really racism in disguise is even worse." - Sinead O'Connor, at the 1990 MTV Video Music Awards. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Sep 12 10:19:51 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA10010; Wed, 12 Sep 90 10:17:03 -0700 Received: from genbank.bio.net by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA09996; Wed, 12 Sep 90 10:16:51 -0700 Received: from asylum.UUCP by genbank.bio.net (5.61/IG-2.0) with UUCP id AA05012; Wed, 12 Sep 90 10:16:43 -0700 Received: by asylum.sf.ca.us (smail2.5x) id AA09865; 12 Sep 90 08:27:00 PDT (Wed) To: jitr@jitr-request.presto.ig.com Subject: SkINhEAD at Darien Lake, NY, 30 Aug 90 Cc: zukowski@katz@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu.presto.ig.com Date: Wed Sep 12 08:27:00 1990 Message-Id: <9009120827.AA09865@asylum.sf.ca.us> From: sharon@asylum.sf.ca.us (Sharon Fisher) Status: OR If she's looking for a boyfriend, who's the guy she was with at the Video Awards? (And if she's broken up with Hugh, that may be why she seemed depressed.) Wonder how her pregnancy is progressing; perhaps that's why she wore the bleached-Hare-Krishna costume at the awards... From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Sep 12 10:19:51 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA10015; Wed, 12 Sep 90 10:17:03 -0700 Received: from genbank.bio.net by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA10002; Wed, 12 Sep 90 10:16:54 -0700 Received: from asylum.UUCP by genbank.bio.net (5.61/IG-2.0) with UUCP id AA05048; Wed, 12 Sep 90 10:16:50 -0700 Received: by asylum.sf.ca.us (smail2.5x) id AA09872; 12 Sep 90 08:30:02 PDT (Wed) To: presto.ig.com!bhatlas@pyrite.som.cwru.edu.presto.ig.com!jitr-request Subject: [bhatlas@pyrite.som.cwru.edu: CD booklet offer - Lion & Cobra lyrics] Cc: sks@jitr@presto.ig.com.presto.ig.com Date: Wed Sep 12 08:30:01 1990 Message-Id: <9009120830.AA09872@asylum.sf.ca.us> From: sharon@asylum.sf.ca.us (Sharon Fisher) Status: OR Apparently I missed the original discussion -- what is the CD booklet? Sorry for making you repeat a message... From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Sep 12 11:34:08 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA12703; Wed, 12 Sep 90 11:33:28 -0700 Received: from mica.Berkeley.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA12699; Wed, 12 Sep 90 11:33:26 -0700 Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by mica.berkeley.edu (4.1/1.31) id AA13079; Wed, 12 Sep 90 11:33:17 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Sep 90 11:33:17 PDT From: jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) Message-Id: <9009121833.AA13079@mica.berkeley.edu> Received: by remarque.berkeley.edu (4.1/1.31) id AA07514; Wed, 12 Sep 90 11:33:17 PDT To: jump-in-the-river In-Reply-To: Sharon Fisher's message of Wed Sep 12 08:27:00 1990 <9009120827.AA09865@asylum.sf.ca.us> Subject: Nothing Compares 2 HU Status: OR > Subject: SkINhEAD at Darien Lake, NY, 30 Aug 90 .-. |B|ut she's grown hair! And pissed off all the skinheads in `-' Philly! > perhaps that's why she wore the bleached-Hare-Krishna costume at > the awards... .-. |U|h-oh. Hope this isn't Annie Lennox syndrome. :^) `-' <_Jym_> From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Sep 12 11:59:52 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA13351; Wed, 12 Sep 90 11:59:29 -0700 Received: from [134.126.10.10] by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA13347; Wed, 12 Sep 90 11:59:26 -0700 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 1990 15:01:30 EDT From: STU_WLHOWARD@vax1.acs.jmu.edu (Lost in daydreams--you drove too fast) Message-Id: <900912150132.2020192c@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU> Subject: that guy with sinead at MTV Music Awards To: jitr X-Vmsmail-To: SMTP%"jitr@presto.ig.com" Status: OR I didn't see the program (not owning a TV), but i heard that she swept the categories. I also heard that when she received the last award, she said, "I guess you're all wondering who this man is next to me. This is my husband..." Now you know. Lee stu_wlhoward@vax1.acs.jmu.edu From sco!tracyr@ucscc.ucsc.edu Fri Sep 14 12:56:08 1990 Received: from ucscc.UCSC.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA22770; Fri, 14 Sep 90 12:56:05 -0700 Received: by ucscc.UCSC.EDU (5.64/1.35) id AA26226; Fri, 14 Sep 90 12:55:47 -0700 Received: from romulan.sco.COM by viscous.sco.COM id ab10318; Fri, 14 Sep 90 12:02:32 PDT To: jitr-request Subject: Sinead with hair? Date: Fri Sep 14 12:01:26 1990 From: tracyr@sco.com (Tracy Roberts) Message-Id: <9009141202.aa06975@romulan.sco.COM> Status: OR I saw a newsclip on the CBS morning news the other day.-- it showed Sinead hanging around a crowd that was protesting her concert because of the anthem thing. She was incognito, sporting a wig of bob-length brown hair. My god, she looked stunning with dark hair framing those eyes and cheekbones. Even Victoria Corderi (the news anchor afterwards) said, "Wow, she looks great with hair." tracy From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Sep 18 16:33:26 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA21474; Tue, 18 Sep 90 16:30:10 -0700 Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA21470; Tue, 18 Sep 90 16:30:07 -0700 Received: from M66-540-1.MIT.EDU by ATHENA.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA07265; Tue, 18 Sep 90 19:29:58 EDT From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Received: by m66-540-1.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA01586; Tue, 18 Sep 90 19:29:55 -0400 Message-Id: <9009182329.AA01586@m66-540-1.MIT.EDU> To: jitr Cc: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: SOC in new Rolling Stone Date: Tue, 18 Sep 90 19:29:53 EDT Status: OR Hi, The great deal of press that SOC has been getting lately obviously led RS to dedicate a whole page to her, with a mini-interview, supposed to clarify all controversial matters. According to this interview: - She is not pregnant. - She has broken up with Hugh Harris. - She is separated from her husband on friendly terms (Note: She thanked him at the MTV awards show). - She is fed up with all the publicity she's been getting. among other things that I don't remember right now. Are there any chart-devotees among the members of this mailing list who could tell me what was the highest chart position that TENC reached? (out of curiosity) Are there plans for the release of any other single from IDNWWIHNG? BTW, I heard a remix of "I am stretched.." on the radio the other day that blew me away... It had samples of "I want your hands on me" in it! That's all for now. Angelos From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Sep 18 17:51:05 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA22575; Tue, 18 Sep 90 17:49:45 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA22429; Tue, 18 Sep 90 17:44:25 -0700 Message-Id: <9009190044.AA22429@presto.ig.com> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 90 17:44:23 -0800 From: mcb@presto.ig.com (Michael C. Berch) Subject: Administrivia To: jitr Status: OR This is just to let everyone know that your moderator is back in harness again, and all addition/deletion requests through 5:00 PM California time today (18 Sept 1990) have been processed. Sorry it took so long to get caught up. Michael jitr-request@presto.ig.com From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Sep 19 06:16:00 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA09844; Wed, 19 Sep 90 06:14:58 -0700 Received: from mcsun.EU.net by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA09840; Wed, 19 Sep 90 06:14:41 -0700 Received: by mcsun.EU.net with SMTP; Wed, 19 Sep 90 15:14:13 +0200 Received: from macneill by kestrel.Ukc.AC.UK with UUCP id aa18080; 19 Sep 90 13:59 BST Received: from swift by macneill.macneill.cs.tcd.ie id aa03972; 19 Sep 90 13:52 GMT Date: Wed, 19 Sep 90 13:48 GMT From: "Glynn Anderson WR14.2.6" Subject: Sinead's pregnancy. To: jitr X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" Message-Id: <9009191352.aa03972@macneill.macneill.cs.tcd.ie> Status: OR The news here is that Sinead is "no longer pregnant" and is said to be veru upset about it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Glynn Anderson Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland. Telephone: +353-1-772941 ext 1782 FAX: +353-1-772204 Telex: 93782 TCD EI email: gpanderson@cs.tcd.ie or gpanderson%cs.tcd.ie@cunyvm.cuny.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Sep 19 07:51:19 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA11995; Wed, 19 Sep 90 07:50:28 -0700 Received: from rpi.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA11988; Wed, 19 Sep 90 07:50:20 -0700 Received: from pawl.rpi.edu (imagine.pawl.rpi.edu) by rpi.edu (4.1/SM47-RPI-ITS); id AA04482; Wed, 19 Sep 90 10:49:47 EDT for jitr@presto.ig.com Received: from sub.pawl.rpi.edu (pawl15.pawl.rpi.edu) by pawl.rpi.edu (4.1/HUB10); id AA00567; Wed, 19 Sep 90 10:47:09 EDT for GPANDERSON@cs.tcd.ie From: Ron Buckmire Received: by sub.pawl.rpi.edu (4.1/PSUB09); id AA00720; Wed, 19 Sep 90 10:47:02 EDT for jitr@presto.ig.com Date: Wed, 19 Sep 90 10:47:02 EDT Message-Id: <9009191447.AA00720@sub.pawl.rpi.edu> To: GPANDERSON@cs.tcd.ie Subject: Re: Sinead's pregnancy. Cc: jitr Status: OR I was wondering what ws going on because she definitely did not look pregnant on the Ameican Music Awards. Who was the father? Is she still married to the father of her son, Jake? Who is Hugh Harris. Perhaps someone can clear up Sinead's marital history for me. Especially someone from Ireland! I had no idea they were on the NET. That is *so* cool!The answers I want to know are... Who is the father of Jake O'Connor? Who has Sinead married in the past? Is she still married? Who was "The Last Day Of Our Acquaintance" written about? IS she still pregnant? When is/was she due? Who is the father? Who is HUgh Harris? What are the next singles to be released from _IDNWWIHG_? Does she give credit to Nellee Hooper on "Nothing Compares 2 U"? Dose she give credit to James brown on "I Am Stretched On YOur Grave"? That's all for now.... Ron Buckmire prince@rpitsmts.bitnet prince@pawl.rpi.edu uunet!pawl.rpi.edu!prince "Censorship in any form is bad. But censorship when it is really racism in disguise is even worse." - Sinead O'Connor, at the 1990 MTV Video Music Awards. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Sep 19 08:50:16 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA12707; Wed, 19 Sep 90 08:49:46 -0700 Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA12703; Wed, 19 Sep 90 08:49:42 -0700 Received: from M66-540-1.MIT.EDU by ATHENA.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA23569; Wed, 19 Sep 90 11:49:37 EDT From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Received: by m66-540-1.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA02027; Wed, 19 Sep 90 11:49:33 -0400 Message-Id: <9009191549.AA02027@m66-540-1.MIT.EDU> To: Ron Buckmire Cc: jitr Subject: Re: Sinead's pregnancy. In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 19 Sep 90 10:47:02 -0400. <9009191447.AA00720@sub.pawl.rpi.edu> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 90 11:49:30 EDT Status: OR Well I'm not from Ireland but I have the answers to most of your questions, so here they are: >Who is the father of Jake O'Connor? >Who has Sinead married in the past? Is she still married? John Reynolds, her first and current husband from whom she is now separated. >Who was "The Last Day Of Our Acquaintance" written about? I don't have a clue, although judging from the SPIN interview it could be about some of her friends when she first went to London from Ireland. >IS she still pregnant? When is/was she due? Who is the father? According to the new RS interview and a previous posting on jitr she is not. >Who is HUgh Harris? He opened for her shows in the first leg of the IDNWWIHNG tour. A "Terence Trent D'Arby" wannabe. Nothing to get excited about... >What are the next singles to be released from _IDNWWIHG_? I asked the same question yesterday... :-) >Does she give credit to Nellee Hooper on "Nothing Compares 2 U"? >Dose she give credit to James brown on "I Am Stretched On YOur Grave"? The album credits don't mention anything as far as I know. That's all for now. Angelos From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Sep 19 09:28:56 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA13429; Wed, 19 Sep 90 09:28:08 -0700 Received: from rpi.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA13425; Wed, 19 Sep 90 09:28:03 -0700 Received: from pawl.rpi.edu (imagine.pawl.rpi.edu) by rpi.edu (4.1/SM47-RPI-ITS); id AA05822; Wed, 19 Sep 90 12:27:38 EDT for jitr@presto.ig.com Received: from sub.pawl.rpi.edu (pawl17.pawl.rpi.edu) by pawl.rpi.edu (4.1/HUB10); id AA03048; Wed, 19 Sep 90 12:25:02 EDT for jitr@presto.ig.com From: Ron Buckmire Received: by sub.pawl.rpi.edu (4.1/PSUB09); id AA00895; Wed, 19 Sep 90 12:24:55 EDT for kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Date: Wed, 19 Sep 90 12:24:55 EDT Message-Id: <9009191624.AA00895@sub.pawl.rpi.edu> To: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: Re: SOC in new Rolling Stone Cc: jitr Status: OR Well I'm a chart fanatic and as far as I remember The Emperor's new Clothes stalled at #66, I think. I *know* it didn't get higher than 50. Rather odd behaviour. Hmmm, does anyone have the CD single of 'TENC'? I bought it for the remixes of 'IASOYG' [the impor CD.not the domestic single] and was not very impressed. I'd love to know whehter a remix with ~I Want Your Hands On Me" mixed in is commercially available. I think the next single will probably be '3 Babies' since that is what the record company was advertising when the album first came out [along with 'NC2U' and 'TENC']. My favourite track is 'Feel So Different' with '3 Babies' and 'The Last Day Of Our Aquaintance' coming in vey close seconds. Ron Buckmire prince@rpitsmts.bitnet prince@pawl.rpi.edu uunet!pawl.rpi.edu!prince "Somewhere between Kate Bush and Madonna." - Sinead O'Connor, about her music. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Sep 19 21:21:09 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA21994; Wed, 19 Sep 90 21:13:58 -0700 Received: from cs.brown.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA21990; Wed, 19 Sep 90 21:13:55 -0700 Received: from fritz.cs.brown.edu by cs.brown.edu (5.64+/Doorknob-1.2) id AA22084; Thu, 20 Sep 90 00:13:52 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Sep 90 00:13:52 -0400 From: dkb@cs.brown.edu (Dilip Barman) Message-Id: <9009200413.AA22084@cs.brown.edu> Received: by fritz.cs.brown.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1-BrownCS-1.0) id AA09741; Thu, 20 Sep 90 00:13:51 EDT To: jump-in-the-river Subject: ABC's "Absolutely" CD Status: OR Hi - Sorry, this doesn't have to do with Sinead, but I thought readers may be interested in ABC as well. Anyway, I just found while disc shopping today that they have a new disc out called "Absolutely" (does anybody know what their other 1990 album, "Up", is like?) which is like a greatest hits. It's good and includes the great Munich mix of "Be Near Me"; the disc runs over 72 minutes! Where would be a good place to post this information? Dilip From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Sep 20 13:53:53 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA23565; Thu, 20 Sep 90 13:52:11 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA23472; Thu, 20 Sep 90 13:48:13 -0700 Message-Id: <9009202048.AA23472@presto.ig.com> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 90 13:48:10 -0800 From: mcb@presto.ig.com (Michael C. Berch) Subject: Mailer problems in Toronto area To: jitr Status: OR Sorry to bother the whole list with this, but there is some sort of mailer problem in the Toronto area that is causing JITR messages to bounce back to the Postmaster address here on presto.ig.com, and none of the addresses seen in the error messages are directly on the JITR list. Therefore, if you are reading this message at (or are performing a local redistribution to anybody at) the hosts neat.cs.toronto.edu, yonge.csri.toronto.edu, or any host in the sq.com or geac.com domains, please contact me immediately. I would also like to hear from "ralph@neat.cs.toronto.edu" if you are out there... Thanks, Michael jitr-request@presto.ig.com / uunet!presto.ig.com!jitr-request From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Sep 20 20:22:29 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA02954; Thu, 20 Sep 90 20:18:14 -0700 Received: from bunny.gte.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA02950; Thu, 20 Sep 90 20:18:10 -0700 Received: by bunny.gte.com (5.61/GTEL2.15) id AA08834; Thu, 20 Sep 90 23:18:26 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Sep 90 23:18:26 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Message-Id: <9009210318.AA08834@bunny.gte.com> To: jitr Subject: JITR Status: OR glad you're back, Michael, and it's good to see some JITR action! (We've been off of the nets for a while, and, frankly, there haven't been very many postings recently... So, I'm a little confused: was Sinead pregnant before, and now not, or was she never pregnant. When I saw here at Great Woods (Boston, more or less) she looked like she might be late in her first three months or so (she wasn't wearing much...) Actually, I guess it really isn't our business... whatever. IMPORTANT!!! OK, come on, _someone_ out there must know about the Karen Finley/Sinead 'duet' on JITR. I've been trying to find it since WFNX (the only decent non-college radio station in Boston) announced that they couldn't play it on the air (*sigh*). After that, I saw Karen Finley at the Harvard U. theater, and she was pretty cool. People were squirming in their seats: a good sign. (though only one person walked out when she took her clothes off and smeared chocolate over herself...) Anyway, the program for that show also mentioned a JITR duet single, so it MUST be out there, but I can't find it in Boston. If anyone knows where to find it, please let me know! Alos, how about a review of the _Stretched on your Grave_ CD single: I'm kinda suspicious of CD singles, 'cuz of the price and all, but if it's good then maybe I'll just break down and buy it... Well, I'm off to read rec.music.gaffa; see ya! -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "Share and Enjoy!" From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Sep 20 21:05:19 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA03206; Thu, 20 Sep 90 21:05:02 -0700 Received: from mica.Berkeley.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA03199; Thu, 20 Sep 90 21:05:00 -0700 Received: from remarque.berkeley.edu by mica.berkeley.edu (4.1/1.31) id AA18913; Thu, 20 Sep 90 21:04:57 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Sep 90 21:04:57 PDT From: jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) Message-Id: <9009210404.AA18913@mica.berkeley.edu> Received: by remarque.berkeley.edu (4.1/1.31) id AA10546; Thu, 20 Sep 90 21:04:59 PDT To: jitr In-Reply-To: Gregory Bossert's message of Thu, 20 Sep 90 23:18:26 -0400 <9009210318.AA08834@bunny.gte.com> Subject: Re: JITR Status: OR .-. |I|s Karen Finley still doing performance pieces with yams and `-' Belgian waffles? <_Jym_> From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Sep 20 21:28:08 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA03328; Thu, 20 Sep 90 21:25:50 -0700 Received: from bunny.gte.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA03324; Thu, 20 Sep 90 21:25:47 -0700 Received: by bunny.gte.com (5.61/GTEL2.15) id AA09713; Fri, 21 Sep 90 00:26:04 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 90 00:26:04 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Message-Id: <9009210426.AA09713@bunny.gte.com> To: jitr Subject: JITR Status: OR Jym Dyer asks >I|s Karen Finley still doing performance pieces with yams and > Belgian waffles? Alas, no, though the bit when she held up a fist-full of alfalfa sprouts and said "These represent sperm", then stuck them to her her chocolate-covered body, was getting there. Apologies to anyone offended, but that's the point after all. -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "Go stick your head in a pig." P.S. If you don't know about the yams and waffles, don't ask... From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Sep 21 08:01:00 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA14077; Fri, 21 Sep 90 07:57:59 -0700 Received: from rpi.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA14073; Fri, 21 Sep 90 07:57:56 -0700 Received: from pawl.rpi.edu (imagine.pawl.rpi.edu) by rpi.edu (4.1/SM47-RPI-ITS); id AA06788; Fri, 21 Sep 90 10:57:31 EDT for jitr@presto.ig.com Received: from sub.pawl.rpi.edu (pawl24.pawl.rpi.edu) by pawl.rpi.edu (4.1/HUB10); id AA29745; Fri, 21 Sep 90 10:54:53 EDT for jitr@presto.ig.com From: Ron Buckmire Received: by sub.pawl.rpi.edu (4.1/PSUB09); id AA01389; Fri, 21 Sep 90 10:54:44 EDT for jitr@presto.ig.com Date: Fri, 21 Sep 90 10:54:44 EDT Message-Id: <9009211454.AA01389@sub.pawl.rpi.edu> To: jitr Subject: man with Sinead Status: OR The man with Sinead was jim marbury the director of _NC2U_, not her husband as far as I know. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sun Sep 23 10:42:30 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA02811; Sun, 23 Sep 90 10:40:39 -0700 Received: from marsh.rice.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA02803; Sun, 23 Sep 90 10:40:33 -0700 Received: from great-horned.rice.edu by marsh.rice.edu (AA03173); Sun, 23 Sep 90 12:40:30 CDT Received: by great-horned.rice.edu (AA04775); Sun, 23 Sep 90 12:40:28 CDT From: Samuel R. Johnson Message-Id: <9009231740.AA04775@great-horned.rice.edu> Subject: O'Connor/Finley duet To: jitr Date: Sun, 23 Sep 90 12:40:27 CDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL16] Status: OR >IMPORTANT!!! OK, come on, _someone_ out there must know about the Karen >Finley/Sinead 'duet' on JITR. I've been trying to find it since WFNX (the >only decent non-college radio station in Boston) announced that they couldn't >play it on the air (*sigh*). ... yeah, my friend picked up a copy at one of the smaller record stores here in Houston (you know, one of those places where vampires hang out). Basically, it's an extended mix of "Jump.." with Finley contributing some animal noises and very obsecene imagery in the middle. I thought it was pretty sensationalistic and basically silly. But, then, that's about what I think of Finley, knowing the little about her that I do (sprouts?!). Check the specialty shops - you won't find it at Sound Warehouse, but I'll bet you can get it in Boston if you look hard enough. -- Sam Johnson sam@owlnet.rice.edu Lunchmeat Development Team - Rice University From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Sep 26 12:51:03 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA22508; Wed, 26 Sep 90 12:47:09 -0700 Received: from rpi.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA22504; Wed, 26 Sep 90 12:47:05 -0700 Received: from pawl.rpi.edu (imagine.pawl.rpi.edu) by rpi.edu (4.1/SM47-RPI-ITS); id AA11549; Wed, 26 Sep 90 15:46:32 EDT for jitr@presto.ig.com Received: from sub.pawl.rpi.edu (pawl7.pawl.rpi.edu) by pawl.rpi.edu (4.1/HUB10); id AA15911; Wed, 26 Sep 90 15:43:50 EDT for jitr@presto.ig.com From: Ron Buckmire Received: by sub.pawl.rpi.edu (4.1/PSUB09); id AA01624; Wed, 26 Sep 90 15:43:13 EDT for jitr@presto.ig.com Date: Wed, 26 Sep 90 15:43:13 EDT Message-Id: <9009261943.AA01624@sub.pawl.rpi.edu> To: jitr Subject: Anyone have GIF's of Sinead ? Status: OR I guess ythe subject says it all. Does anyone have any pictures of Sinead or her album covers that are available therough anyonmous ftp or mail? Ron Buckmire prince@rpitsmts.bitnet prince@pawl.rpi.edu uunet!pawl.rpi.edu!prince "Somewhere between Kate Bush and Madonna." - Sinead O'Connor, about her music. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Sep 28 07:34:04 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA20692; Fri, 28 Sep 90 07:29:46 -0700 Received: from rpi.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA20687; Fri, 28 Sep 90 07:29:43 -0700 Received: from pawl.rpi.edu (imagine.pawl.rpi.edu) by rpi.edu (4.1/SM47-RPI-ITS); id AA06315; Fri, 28 Sep 90 10:29:17 EDT for jitr@presto.ig.com Received: from sub.pawl.rpi.edu (pawl1.pawl.rpi.edu) by pawl.rpi.edu (4.1/HUB10); id AA14792; Fri, 28 Sep 90 10:26:40 EDT for jitr@presto.ig.com From: Ron Buckmire Received: by sub.pawl.rpi.edu (4.1/RPI-ITS-SUB10); id AA00916; Fri, 28 Sep 90 10:26:03 EDT for jitr@presto.ig.com Date: Fri, 28 Sep 90 10:26:03 EDT Message-Id: <9009281426.AA00916@sub.pawl.rpi.edu> To: jitr Subject: SINEAD's new single [3 Babies] Status: OR The new single is "Three Babies" and the video will be world premiereing tonight on MTV. It was supposed to be last night but it wasn't on. Also, she will be the musical host on Saturday Night LIve on THIS Saturday Sept 29. Ron Buckmire prince@rpitsmts.bitnet prince@pawl.rpi.edu uunet!pawl.rpi.edu!prince "Somewhere between Kate Bush and Madonna." - Sinead O'Connor, about her music. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Sep 28 09:11:28 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA23351; Fri, 28 Sep 90 09:10:49 -0700 Received: from mentor.cc.purdue.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA23347; Fri, 28 Sep 90 09:10:42 -0700 Received: from localhost by mentor.cc.purdue.edu (5.61/Purdue_CC) id AA15334; Fri, 28 Sep 90 11:10:38 -0500 Message-Id: <9009281610.AA15334@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> To: jitr (Jump In The River) Subject: Sinead on TV tonight(Friday 9/28/90) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 90 11:10:37 -0500 From: ( Colin :) Status: OR Sinead is going to be the ``Inside Story'' on Entertainment Tonight this evening. Catch it if you can... Colin From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Sep 28 09:31:59 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA24070; Fri, 28 Sep 90 09:27:45 -0700 Received: from cs.brown.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA24063; Fri, 28 Sep 90 09:27:38 -0700 Received: from fritz.cs.brown.edu by cs.brown.edu (5.64+/Doorknob-1.2) id AA16420; Fri, 28 Sep 90 12:27:27 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Sep 90 12:27:27 -0400 From: dkb@cs.brown.edu (Dilip Barman) Message-Id: <9009281627.AA16420@cs.brown.edu> Received: by fritz.cs.brown.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1-BrownCS-1.0) id AA15098; Fri, 28 Sep 90 12:27:25 EDT To: jump-in-the-river Subject: Sinead on TV Status: OR Sinead O'Connor is supposed to be on Saturday Night Live this weekend, or so I hear. Why the sudden TV blitz I wonder! From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Sep 28 14:01:42 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA03840; Fri, 28 Sep 90 13:59:55 -0700 Received: from rpi.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA03836; Fri, 28 Sep 90 13:59:45 -0700 Received: from pawl.rpi.edu (imagine.pawl.rpi.edu) by rpi.edu (4.1/RPI-ITS-SM48); id AA12083; Fri, 28 Sep 90 16:59:08 EDT for jitr@presto.ig.com Received: from sub.pawl.rpi.edu (pawl1.pawl.rpi.edu) by pawl.rpi.edu (4.1/HUB10); id AA19410; Fri, 28 Sep 90 16:56:30 EDT for dkb@cs.brown.edu From: Ron Buckmire Received: by sub.pawl.rpi.edu (4.1/RPI-ITS-SUB10); id AA02257; Fri, 28 Sep 90 16:55:52 EDT for jitr@presto.ig.com Date: Fri, 28 Sep 90 16:55:52 EDT Message-Id: <9009282055.AA02257@sub.pawl.rpi.edu> To: dkb@cs.brown.edu Subject: Re: Sinead on TV Cc: jitr Status: OR Well, the record company probably thought it was time to release another single. It's been 6 months and only two have been erleased. The SNL appearance was planned months ago. Most likely ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT just figured this would be as good a time as any to do stuff on her. She is not going to be appearing on the ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT piece heself is she? I hope she does '3 Babies' and 'NC2U' tomorrow on SNL. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sun Sep 30 15:57:10 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA21335; Sun, 30 Sep 90 15:54:03 -0700 Received: from rpi.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA21331; Sun, 30 Sep 90 15:54:00 -0700 Received: from pawl.rpi.edu (imagine.pawl.rpi.edu) by rpi.edu (4.1/RPI-ITS-SM50); id AA03430; Sun, 30 Sep 90 18:53:31 EDT for jitr@presto.ig.com Received: from sub.pawl.rpi.edu (pawl2.pawl.rpi.edu) by pawl.rpi.edu (4.1/HUB10); id AA16194; Sun, 30 Sep 90 18:50:55 EDT for jitr@presto.ig.com From: Ron Buckmire Received: by sub.pawl.rpi.edu (4.1/RPI-ITS-SUB10); id AA02252; Sun, 30 Sep 90 18:50:10 EDT for jitr@presto.ig.com Date: Sun, 30 Sep 90 18:50:10 EDT Message-Id: <9009302250.AA02252@sub.pawl.rpi.edu> To: jitr Subject: sinead on SNL [fun! fun! fun!] Status: OR Anyone see Sinead last night?It was cool. I still haven't seen '3 Babies'. I have no idea when it premiered, if it has... Anyway, Sinead did "Three Babies" first, it was not as good as the recorded version, which is one of my faves on the album. She was wearing black jeans, a black lace top and rose tinted lennon glasses, they suited her, I thought. Her hair has grown back since her last appearance on MTV. She did "The Last Day Of Our Acquaintance". She was VERY into the performance and it showed. She started shouting [NOT singing, towards the end. ] She added a verse or two. It was very intense though, I liked it. The drums were not as loud as in te recordred version. It was great. Anyway, if anyone sees 3 Babies let me know. Ron Buckmire prince@rpitsmts.bitnet prince@pawl.rpi.edu uunet!pawl.rpi.edu!prince "Life sucks losers dry, if u want to f*** with eagles u better learn 2 fly." From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sun Sep 30 20:51:17 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA26039; Sun, 30 Sep 90 20:50:37 -0700 Received: from genbank.bio.net by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA26035; Sun, 30 Sep 90 20:50:35 -0700 Received: from asylum.UUCP by genbank.bio.net (5.61/IG-2.0) with UUCP id AA00902; Sun, 30 Sep 90 20:50:33 -0700 Received: by asylum.sf.ca.us (smail2.5x) id AA05573; 30 Sep 90 19:50:29 PDT (Sun) To: jitr@jitr-request.presto.ig.com Subject: sinead on SNL [fun! fun! fun!] Date: Sun Sep 30 19:50:29 1990 Message-Id: <9009301950.AA05573@asylum.sf.ca.us> From: sharon@asylum.sf.ca.us (Sharon Fisher) Status: OR Out here in the hinterland, we lost most of the beginning of Three Babies due to some sort of satellite problem. I was bummed. Last Day looked great, though. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sun Sep 30 22:21:24 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA27472; Sun, 30 Sep 90 22:19:06 -0700 Received: from cs.brown.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA27468; Sun, 30 Sep 90 22:19:03 -0700 Received: from fritz.cs.brown.edu by cs.brown.edu (5.64+/Doorknob-1.2) id AA17271; Mon, 1 Oct 90 01:18:57 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Oct 90 01:18:57 -0400 From: dkb@cs.brown.edu (Dilip Barman) Message-Id: <9010010518.AA17271@cs.brown.edu> Received: by fritz.cs.brown.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1-BrownCS-1.0) id AA16586; Mon, 1 Oct 90 01:18:56 EDT To: jump-in-the-river In-Reply-To: Sharon Fisher's message of Sun Sep 30 19:50:29 1990 <9009301950.AA05573@asylum.sf.ca.us> Subject: sinead on SNL [fun! fun! fun!] Status: OR I saw it last night and it was pretty good. I wasn't particularly impressed with 3 Babies and it looked like lip synching with even the guitar licks Sinead was strumming seeming "phony" (though I could be wrong; how come many TV shows have artists just lip synching??). However, Last Day was good! She sang with real conviction and the performance seemed "real".