From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Apr 2 15:02:13 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA07825; Mon, 2 Apr 90 12:53:04 -0700 Received: from sdsu.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA07821; Mon, 2 Apr 90 12:53:01 -0700 Received: from sunstroke.sdsu.edu by sdsu.edu; id AA01488 sendmail 5.61/SDSU-GW-1.5 via SMTP Mon, 2 Apr 90 12:52:57 -0700 for jitr@presto.ig.com Received: from derek@sunstroke.SDSU.EDU (ls_mac5.SDSU.EDU) by sunstroke.SDSU.EDU (4.0/SDSUGENERIC.2) id AA28396 for delivery to jitr@presto.ig.com; Mon, 2 Apr 90 12:51:00 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Apr 90 12:50:59 PDT From: derek%sunstroke@sdsu.edu (Derek Langsford) Message-Id: <9004021951.AA28396@sunstroke.SDSU.EDU> To: jitr Cc: Subject: New Album Import CD Status: OR Does anyone have a UK import of the new album CD? My local import store has been getting W. German copies made by DADC in Austria. My TLATC CD is made by Nimbus UK and I want to know whether the new album has also been mastered and pressed by Nimbus for the UK market. I personally believe that on the whole Nimbus UK produces the best sounding CDs. How else would one want to hear Sinead but at her best? Please post replies or email direct. Thanks Derek derek@sunstroke.sdsu.edu From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Apr 2 23:15:53 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA23585; Mon, 2 Apr 90 23:14:27 -0700 Received: from cunyvm.cuny.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA23581; Mon, 2 Apr 90 23:14:19 -0700 Message-Id: <9004030614.AA23581@presto.ig.com> Received: from UKACRL.BITNET by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.2MX) with BSMTP id 4879; Tue, 03 Apr 90 02:12:36 EDT Received: from RL.IB by UKACRL.BITNET (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 5973; Mon, 02 Apr 90 23:29:14 BST Received: from RL.IB by UK.AC.RL.IB (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 6474; Mon, 02 Apr 90 23:29:14 BS Via: UK.AC.BANGOR.VAXC; 2 APR 90 23:29:11 BST Date: Mon, 2 Apr 90 23:30 GMT From: The Fluffy Yog To: JITR Subject: being for the benefit of derek Status: OR Heh heh - I have a UK copy of I Do Not Want... but it's not an import... In response to an earlier message about "Black Boys On Mopeds", the incident described is not one I recall. Since it's one that would have made a major stir in the British media (and quite rightly so), and I catch the news fairly regularly, I'm inclined to doubt the account of police standing by while a crowd murdered two black motorcyclists. Possibly the news got garbled or confused, or the incident was one which took place in some other country (and was therefore deemed unimportant by our lovely BBC newsmeisters). So there you have it. :-) fluffy yog ------------------------------------------------------------------ ** a F L U F F Y Y O G p r o d u c t i o n ** ** coming to you from Sunny Bangor: map009@uk.ac.bangor.vaxa ** ** economy-sized version: flufiyog@uk.ac.ed.cs.tardis ** ------------------------------------------------------------------ ** I am a great disappointment to myself. ** ---------------------------------- unidentified heroin addict ---- From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Tue Apr 3 09:43:16 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA05022; Tue, 3 Apr 90 09:42:36 -0700 Received: from sdsu.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA05018; Tue, 3 Apr 90 09:42:30 -0700 Received: from sunstroke.sdsu.edu by sdsu.edu; id AA29224 sendmail 5.61/SDSU-GW-1.5 via SMTP Tue, 3 Apr 90 09:42:26 -0700 for JITR@presto.ig.com Received: from derek@sunstroke.SDSU.EDU (ls_mac3.SDSU.EDU) by sunstroke.SDSU.EDU (4.0/SDSUGENERIC.2) id AA29011 for delivery to JITR@presto.ig.com; Tue, 3 Apr 90 09:40:28 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Apr 90 09:40:27 PDT From: derek%sunstroke@sdsu.edu (Derek Langsford) Message-Id: <9004031640.AA29011@sunstroke.SDSU.EDU> To: JITR Cc: Subject: Re : benefit of derek Status: OR Fluffy Yog > Heh heh - I have a UK copy of I Do Not Want... but it's not > an import... OK, so I forgot that some of us are accessing this *from* "Importland". I am so conditioned to referring to imports to the US as "imports" because that is all I buy and have interest in. Apologies. But, you didn't answer my question! Is your UK disc mastered by Nimbus, and if not could you tell me by whom? I will special order it if so or wait impatiently till I return home (yes I'm a Brit) in May and buy it then. The information would be much appreciated before then though. Thanks Derek derek@sunstroke.sdsu.edu From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Apr 4 08:25:31 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA00371; Wed, 4 Apr 90 08:17:13 -0700 Received: from cunyvm.cuny.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA00366; Wed, 4 Apr 90 08:17:08 -0700 Message-Id: <9004041517.AA00366@presto.ig.com> Received: from UKACRL.BITNET by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.2MX) with BSMTP id 9781; Wed, 04 Apr 90 11:15:27 EDT Received: from RL.IB by UKACRL.BITNET (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 3908; Wed, 04 Apr 90 13:55:14 BST Received: from RL.IB by UK.AC.RL.IB (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 9662; Wed, 04 Apr 90 13:55:14 BS Via: UK.AC.BANGOR.VAXB; 4 APR 90 13:55:10 BST Date: Wed, 4 Apr 90 13:56 GMT From: The Fluffy Yog To: JITR Subject: "I Do Not Want..." UK copies Status: OR I didn't answer the question of who manufactured the CD because I didn't know offhand (and didn't have it with me in the computer lab to check :-)). Having gone home and had a look, it seems to be manufactured by EMI rather than Nimbus. Sorry. (I can't really comment on sound quality as I don't tend to listen out for it, but it seemed pretty good to me.) ------------------------------------------------------------------ ** a F L U F F Y Y O G p r o d u c t i o n ** ** coming to you from Sunny Bangor: map009@uk.ac.bangor.vaxa ** ** economy-sized version: flufiyog@uk.ac.ed.cs.tardis ** ------------------------------------------------------------------ ** I am a great disappointment to myself. ** ---------------------------------- unidentified heroin addict ---- From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sat Apr 7 03:16:50 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA02344; Sat, 7 Apr 90 03:15:33 -0700 Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA02339; Sat, 7 Apr 90 03:15:28 -0700 Received: from E40-008-8.MIT.EDU by ATHENA.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA08890; Sat, 7 Apr 90 06:15:23 EDT From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Received: by E40-008-8.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA04280; Sat, 7 Apr 90 06:15:20 -0400 Message-Id: <9004071015.AA04280@E40-008-8.MIT.EDU> To: jitr Subject: Sinead Tour Date: Sat, 07 Apr 90 06:15:19 EDT Status: OR Hi, I found out by accident that SOC is playing the Orpheum in Boston on May3&4. Unfortunately the shows sold out before I even knew she's playing here and I didn't have time to get tix. It strikes me that there are no ads about these shows in the Phoenix. I would have expected some publicity... Well, for those of you outside Boston, listen to your local radio stations for info and get ready for a rapid sell-out. If anyone in Boston has Tix they can spare, please let me know! Angelos From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sat Apr 7 07:09:14 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA04865; Sat, 7 Apr 90 07:08:59 -0700 Received: from ANDREW.CMU.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA04861; Sat, 7 Apr 90 07:08:56 -0700 Received: by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for jitr@presto.ig.com; Sat, 7 Apr 90 10:09:20 EDT Received: via switchmail; Sat, 7 Apr 90 10:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from honeybrook.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 7 Apr 90 10:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from honeybrook.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 7 Apr 90 10:07:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Messages.7.8.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.honeybrook.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.honeybrook.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_r3; Sat, 7 Apr 90 10:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4a7TEyS00W0948S0Uu@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Sat, 7 Apr 90 10:07:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Karen Ann Kent To: jitr Subject: sinead on tour Status: OR Does Sinead have a full touring schedule out yet? If so, is she coming to Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Columbus, or anywhere else in western Pennsylvania or eastern Ohio? Thanks ever so much. Zorba Q. Arachne, Nihilist at Large Committee for Free Brussel Sprouts and Longer Lunches kk2h+@andrew.cmu.edu.....15523%mfe.mfenet@ccc.nmfecc.gov From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Apr 9 04:07:34 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA06979; Mon, 9 Apr 90 04:06:19 -0700 Received: from mcsun.eu.net by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA06975; Mon, 9 Apr 90 04:06:07 -0700 Received: by mcsun.EU.net via EUnet; Mon, 9 Apr 90 13:05:52 +0200 (MET) Received: from axion.bt.co.uk by kestrel.Ukc.AC.UK via PSS (UKC CAMEL FTP) id aa11993; 9 Apr 90 11:51 BST Received: from kitkat by zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk via SMTP channel id aa17983; 9 Apr 90 5:49 BST To: jitr Subject: _Lion and the Cobra_ lyrics. Date: Mon, 09 Apr 90 11:50:01 GMT From: Philip Katz Message-Id: <9004090549.aa17983@zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk> Status: OR Although I got a lyric sheet with the new album, there wasn't one with TLATC, so I was quite happy to pick the lyrics up from the Internet news group rec.music.cd. I though that others on this list may like them, so ......... ============================================================================== Article 1698 of rec.music.cd: Path: axion!ukc!mcsun!uunet!samsung!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sunybcs!ubvms!v096nm93 From: v096nm93@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (iggi) Newsgroups: rec.music.cd Subject: Sinead lyrics thanks eliz Message-ID: <871.26108e17@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu> Date: 28 Mar 90 15:12:39 GMT Organization: Academic Computing Services, University at Buffalo Lines: 348 Hey folks i received this lyric listing from someone. Thanks eliz@world.std.com so very much for this list you have saved my reputation. Wish i could claim this but.... i bow to my superiors. So for all of you out there that wanted this. Someone tell me how to get into this lyrics server, please. Thanks and ENJOY iggi DRINK BEFORE THE WAR well, now you're tellin' us that we're wrong and you tell us not to sing our song nothing we can say will make you see you got a heart of stone you can never feel you say, oh I'm not afraid - it can't happen to me I've lived my life as a good man no you're out of your mind it won't happen to me 'cuz I've carried my weight and I've been a strong man but listen to the man in the liquor stor he yelling, anybody wanna drink before the war? and your parents paid you through you got a nice big car nothin' bothers you somebody cut out your eyes you refuse to see somebody cut out your heart you refuse to feel and you live in a shell you create your own hell you live in the past and talk about war and you dig your own grave but it's a life you can save so start gettin' fast it's not gonna happen and you'll cry but you'll never fall no, no, no you're building a world gotta break it down start again no, no, no - it won't happen to us we've lived our lives basically have been good men so stop talking of war 'cuz you know we're heard it all before why don't you go out there and do something useful but listen to the man in the liquor store he yellin', anybody wanna drink before the war? anybody wanna drink before the war? anybody wanna drink before the war? JACKIE Jackie left on a cold, dark night telling me he'd be home sailed the seas for a hundred years leaving me all alone and I've been dead for twenty years I've been washing the sand with my ghostly tears searching the shores for my Jackie-oh I remember the day the young man came said, your Jackie's gone, got lost in the rain and I ran to the beach and laid me down you're all wrong, I said and they stared at the sand that man knows the sea like the back of his hand he'll be back some time laughing at you and I've been waiting all this time for my man to come, take his hand in mine and lead me away to swanset shores I've been washing the sand with my salty tears searching the shore these long years and I'll walk the sea forever more 'til I find my Jackie-oh JUST LIKE U SAID IT WOULD B I will walk in the garden and feel religion within I will learn how to run with the big boys I will learn how to sink and to swim and there's talk in the houses and people dancing in rings ah, will you close my eyes, babe? I can see most everything I can see most everything just like u said it would b just like u said it would b it's just like u said it would b it's just like u said it would b I can see too many miles of them too many eyes closed, it's closed not enough minds open too many legs open tell me tell me tell me tell me, do why listen to it, why why I don't see why I listen why why When I've walked in the garden when I'm walking off stage when everything's quiet will you stay? will you be my lover? will you be my mama? I said will you be my lover? I said will you be my babe? When I lay down my head at the end of my day nothing nothing would please me better than I find that you're there When I lay down my head at the end of my day nothing would nothing would please me better than I find that you're there when I wake just like u said it would b just like u said it would b just like u said it would b just like u said it would b will you be my lover? will you be my lover? just like u said it would b just like u said it would b just like u said it would b just like u said it would b just like u said it would b JERUSALEM came down and the lady said it got tore down and the priest just said it got burned they give me five years five years it's my turn came down and the lady said it got tore down and the priest just said it got burned they give me five years five years it's my turn Jerusalem Jerusalem gettin' tired of you doing this to me I'm gonna hit you if you say that to me one more time I wanna see you and you're sayin' you're busy wanna stop it and you said it would be easy sure takes time probably next time aughta be the last time oh you don't two-time it'd be the best time never meaning next time short time hope you're doing what you said when you swore you'd make it better live on the letter on time Jerusalem Jerusalem Jerusalem Jerusalem MANDINKA I'm dancing the seven veils want you to pick up my scarves see how the black moon fades soon I can give you my heart I don't know no shame I think I'm playin' a game see the flame ... but I do know a Mandinka I do know a Mandinka I do know a Mandinka I do they're throwing it all this way dragging it back to the start and they say, see how the glass is raised? I have refused to take part I told them drink something new please let me pull something through I don't know no shame I think I'm playin' a game I don't know no shame I think I'm playin' a game see the flame but I do know a Mandinka I do know a Mandinka I do I do I said I do soon I can give you my heart I swear I do soon I can give you my heart I do Mandinka soon I can give you my heart soon I can give you my heart NEVER GET OLD young woman with a drink in her hand she like to listen to rock and roll 'cuz it never gets old it's the only thing that never gets old young man in a quiet place go hold on his arm lives in there never does no harm it's the only thing that never can do no harm must be the only thing that never can do no harm some say that on the avenue everyone was happy living life on the cover being alive being blind TROY I remember it it happened in a rainstorm sitting in the long grass in summer keeping warm I remember it every restless night we were so young then we thought that everything we could possibly do was right every move stolen from our very eyes I wonder where you went to and tell me when did the light die? you will rise you'll return phoenix from the flame and we will learn and we will rise you'll return being what you are there is no other Troy for you to burn and I never meant to hurt you I swear I didn't mean those things I said I never meant to do that to you next time I'll keep my hands to myself instead oh, and I should love you what do you want to do? does she need you like I do? do you love her? is she good for you? does she hold you like I do? do you want me? should I leave? I know you're always telling me that you love me but just sometimes I wonder if I should believe oh, I love you God, I love you I'd kill a dragon for you and die but I will rise and I will return the phoenix from the flame I have learned I will rise and you'll see me return being what I am there is no other Troy for me to burn and you should have left the light on you should have left the light on then I wouldn't have tried you'd never have known and I wouldn't have pulled you tighter no, I wouldn't have pulled you close I wouldn't have screamed now I can't let you go if the door wasn't closed no, I wouldn't have pulled you to me no, wouldn't have kissed your face you wouldn't have begged me to hold you if we hadn't been there in the first place but I know you wanted me to be there every look that you threw told me so but you should have left the light on you should have left the light on wouldn't have made it burn away but you're still spitting fire make no difference what you say you're still a liar you're still a liar you're still a liar Philip Katz, :|: PKatz@axion.bt.co.uk British Telecom Research Laboratories :|: 'phone + 44 473 642682 RT3131, SSTF 310, Martlesham Heath :|: fax + 44 473 637619 Ipswich, Suffolk, England IP5 7RE :|: pager 0345 333111 unit 4257598 ``We're friends with the president, we're friends with the Pope, We all make a fortune, selling Daddy's dope ......'' From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Apr 11 08:57:07 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA19282; Wed, 11 Apr 90 08:56:29 -0700 Received: from porthos.rutgers.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA19278; Wed, 11 Apr 90 08:56:25 -0700 Received: by porthos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.3/3.05) id AA03606; Wed, 11 Apr 90 11:56:14 EDT Date: Wed, 11 Apr 90 11:56:14 EDT From: koeppel@cs.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9004111556.AA03606@porthos.rutgers.edu> To: jitr Subject: NY concert dates Status: OR in case noone has posted it yet, sinead will be at the beacon theatre in manhattan May 9th and 10th. tickets go on sale tomorrow morning (thursday apr. 12). tickets are $20.. jessica From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Apr 11 09:29:47 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA20222; Wed, 11 Apr 90 09:29:21 -0700 Received: from ugw.utcs.utoronto.ca by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA20218; Wed, 11 Apr 90 09:29:03 -0700 Received: from SASK.BITNET (stdin) by ugw.utcs.utoronto.ca with BSMTP id 57987; Wed, 11 Apr 90 12:24:44 EDT Date: Wed, 11 Apr 90 12:25:00 EDT From: Subject: Sinead's concert dates To: Jitr X-Original-To: Jitr@presto.ig.com, MATON Message-Id: <90Apr11.122444edt.57987@ugw.utcs.utoronto.ca> Status: OR Hi! Can anyone post the full dates, places etc of Sinead's concerts? Please! Terry Terry Maton University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada BITNET: MATON@SASK UUCP: maton@herald.USask.ca.UUCP **** One Planet - One People - PLEASE **** From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Apr 11 12:48:29 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA26821; Wed, 11 Apr 90 12:48:07 -0700 Received: from att-in.att.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA26817; Wed, 11 Apr 90 12:48:04 -0700 Message-Id: <9004111948.AA26817@presto.ig.com> From: gab2@homxb.att.com Date: Wed, 11 Apr 90 14:32 EDT Original-From: homxb!gab2 (Gerard A Brosnan +1 201 949 9042) To: jitr Subject: O'Connor Gigs Status: OR Sinead is playing the Smith Auditorium of George Washington Univ on May the 5th. (I was able to acquire tickets a week after these went on sale.) Here in the NYC area no concerts have been announced. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Apr 11 14:17:00 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA29910; Wed, 11 Apr 90 14:16:00 -0700 Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA29900; Wed, 11 Apr 90 14:15:55 -0700 Received: from E40-008-5.MIT.EDU by ATHENA.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA24589; Wed, 11 Apr 90 17:15:47 EDT From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Received: by E40-008-5.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA03431; Wed, 11 Apr 90 17:15:43 -0400 Message-Id: <9004112115.AA03431@E40-008-5.MIT.EDU> To: jitr Subject: Sinead in TIME Date: Wed, 11 Apr 90 17:15:41 EDT Status: OR Hello again, I just saw the latest issue of TIME and found a feature on Sinead in the Music section. The article is generally very flattering for Sinead. I didn't realize that "nothing compares 2 u" was approaching #1 in the US. Also IDNWWIHG debuted at the top of the charts in some publication (not Bilboard). It is surprising that the American public has woken up and replaced crap like Milli Vanilli and Paula Abdul with real valuable musicians like Sinead. Could this be the start of a new trend in music??? Or is it just because Prince wrote the single?? I'll just have to wait for the Rolling Stone cover feature. Angelos ============================================================================= e-mail to: |I LIKE MUSIC BY 10,000 Maniacs, V. Femmes, kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu |Lene Lovich, Kate Bush, Laurie Anderson, kyrlidis@jack.mit.edu |Sinead O Connor, Peter Gabriel, Lou Reed, ===================================|David Bowie, Velvet Underground, Tribe, U2, "Just like U said it would B" |Eurythmics, Prince, Indigo Girls, Pixies ============================================================================= From sco!tracyr@ucscc.ucsc.edu Wed Apr 11 16:26:21 1990 Received: from ucscc.UCSC.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA04023; Wed, 11 Apr 90 16:26:14 -0700 Received: by ucscc.UCSC.EDU (5.61/1.35) id AA21773; Wed, 11 Apr 90 16:27:45 -0700 From: sco!tracyr@ucscc.ucsc.edu Message-Id: <9004112327.AA21773@ucscc.UCSC.EDU> To: jitr-request Subject: Sinead in TIME Date: Wed Apr 11 15:29:30 1990 Status: OR [...] >It is surprising that the American public has woken up and replaced crap like >Milli Vanilli and Paula Abdul with real valuable musicians like Sinead. >Could this be the start of a new trend in music??? >Or is it just because Prince wrote the single?? Prince wrote the single??? Geez, I wish you hadn't told me that... :-) Tracy -- "And I will return with what I am." From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Apr 12 11:34:00 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA25923; Thu, 12 Apr 90 11:33:09 -0700 Received: from ucsd.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA25918; Thu, 12 Apr 90 11:33:06 -0700 Received: from sdcc6.ucsd.edu by ucsd.edu; id AA11922 sendmail 5.61/UCSD-2.0-sun via SMTP Thu, 12 Apr 90 11:33:00 -0700 for jitr@presto.ig.com Received: by sdcc6.UCSD.EDU (5.60/UCSDGENERIC2) id AA10286 for jitr@presto.ig.com; Thu, 12 Apr 90 11:32:54 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Apr 90 11:32:54 PDT From: jwelle@ucsd.edu (John Welle) Message-Id: <9004121832.AA10286@sdcc6.UCSD.EDU> To: jitr Subject: sinead in san diego Status: OR for san diego folk, sinead is to play at open air May 29 - tix this sat. -j From sco!tracyr@ucscc.ucsc.edu Thu Apr 12 15:25:39 1990 Received: from ucscc.UCSC.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA03046; Thu, 12 Apr 90 15:25:35 -0700 Received: by ucscc.UCSC.EDU (5.61/1.35) id AA19959; Thu, 12 Apr 90 15:26:54 -0700 From: sco!tracyr@ucscc.ucsc.edu Message-Id: <9004122226.AA19959@ucscc.UCSC.EDU> To: jitr-request Subject: sinead in the bay area?? Date: Thu Apr 12 14:47:47 1990 Status: OR Anyone know if sSinead's stopping in the San Francisco Bay Area??? Tracy uunet!sco!tracyr, tracyr@sco.com From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sun Apr 15 15:49:02 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA24498; Sun, 15 Apr 90 15:46:57 -0700 Received: from silver.ucs.indiana.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA24494; Sun, 15 Apr 90 15:46:54 -0700 Message-Id: <9004152246.AA24494@presto.ig.com> Received: by silver.ucs.indiana.edu (5.61+/9.2jsm) id AA11964; Sun, 15 Apr 90 17:46:44 -0500 Date: Sun, 15 Apr 90 17:46:44 -0500 From: Jeffrey C. Burka Apparently-To: jitr@presto.ig.com Status: OR I was reading a homework assignment in a british-lit anthology, and happened upon the following poem. Sinead's "Troy" is quite obviously based, at least to some degree, upon this poem. The 'her' in the poem was Yeats' love interest, Maude Gonne, an Irish reactionary who consistently turned down Yeats' marriage proposals. I've included my own transcription of "Troy" following the Yeats poem. Enjoy! "No Second Troy" Why should I blame her that she filled my days With misery, or that she would of late Have taught to ignorant men most violent ways, Or hurled the little streets upon the great, Had they but courage equal to desire? What could have made her peaceful with a mind That nobleness made simple as a fire, With beauty like at tightened bow, a kind That is not natural in an age like this, being high and solitary and most stern? Why, what could she have done, being what she is? Was there another Troy for her to burn? --William Butler Yeats, 1908 "Troy" I remember it: Dublin in a rain storm Sitting in the long grass in summer Keeping warm I remember it: Every restless night We were so young then We thought that everything we could possibly was right Every move stolen from our very eyes. And I wondered where you went to And tell me, when did the light die? You will rise You'll return, A phoenix from the flame You will learn You will rise You'll return Being what you are There is no other Troy For you to burn And I never meant to hurt you I SWEAR I didn't mean those things I said I never meant to do that to you Next time I'll keep my hands to myself instead Oh, does she love you? What do you want to do? Does she need you like I do? Do you love her? Is she good for you? Does she hold you like I do? Do you want me? Should I leave? I know you're always telling me that you love me But just sometimes I wonder if I should believe Oh, I love you God, I love you I'd kill a dragon for you or die But I will rise And I will return The phoenix from the flame I have learned I will rise And you'll see me return Being what I am There is no other Troy for me to burn Well you should have left the light on You should have left the light on Then I wouldn't have tried, You'd never have known And I wouldn't have pulled you tighter No, I wouldn't have pulled you close I wouldn't have screamed, "No, I can't let you go," If the door wasn't closed No, I wouldn't have pulled you to me NO, wouldn't have kissed your face You wouldn't have begged me to hold you If we hadn't been there in the first place Oh, but I know you wanted me to be there Every look that you threw told me so But you should have left the light on You should have left the light on Light on Light on Wouldn't have made me turn away But you're still spitting fire Makes no difference what you're saying You're still a liar You're still a liar You're still a LIAR --Sinead O'Conner Jeff From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Apr 16 00:12:36 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA00474; Mon, 16 Apr 90 00:12:00 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA00378; Mon, 16 Apr 90 00:08:11 -0700 Message-Id: <9004160708.AA00378@presto.ig.com> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 90 00:08:10 -0800 From: mcb@presto.ig.com (Michael C. Berch) Subject: "Jump In The River" video on MTV To: jump-in-the-river Status: OR Just caught the video for "Jump In the River" on [U.S.] MTV's 120 Minutes. MTV mistitled it "Jump Into the River", and did not identify it as >from the new album (IDNWWIHG), but instead just repeated "Jump Into the River" on the "album" line of the title. This usually indicates an EP of some sort; for a real single they usually leave out the third line. Is there a JITR EP? It was done some time ago, predating IDNWWIHG (the song, of course, dates back to the soundtrack of MARRIED TO THE MOB); Sinead is still hairless. The video is, to my mind, delightfully faithful to the frazzled, slightly nauseous tone of the song. It consists of a montage of jump-cut and smash-cut images, mostly motion but a few stills, Sinead at a desk in an empty room holding her head, Sinead in blue light, smoking a cigarette, Sinead whirling around, all intercut with some man (can't identify him) wearing men's underwear, then women's underwear, including a bra, then a diaper, each of these images intercut with several Sinead, each lasting perhaps half or three-quarters of a second. The song (as you may have gathered) is one of my favourites, as it may represent that last we'll see/hear of Sinead's "bad girl" period. ("There's been days like this before, y'know/And I liked it all/Like the time we did it so hard/There was blood on the wall" ... Indeed.) Needless to say, the video is about as different from "Nothing Compares 2 U" as one can get, and reminds me a little of the "Mandinka" video (maybe even a few reused feet of tape in there?). Anyway, more info on this video would be appreciated... -- Michael C. Berch mcb@presto.ig.com / uunet!presto.ig.com!mcb / ames!bionet!mcb From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Apr 18 07:24:14 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA09903; Wed, 18 Apr 90 07:18:19 -0700 Received: from porthos.rutgers.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA09895; Wed, 18 Apr 90 07:18:13 -0700 Received: by porthos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.3/3.05) id AA18457; Wed, 18 Apr 90 10:18:05 EDT Date: Wed, 18 Apr 90 10:18:01 EDT From: jessica To: jitr Subject: sinead in new york Message-Id: Status: OR Both shows at the Beacon Theatre are sold out!! :) jessica ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Oh WOW! thought I'd be outta here by now. --Concrete Blonde | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Apr 18 12:43:19 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA19859; Wed, 18 Apr 90 12:41:16 -0700 Received: from ducvax.auburn.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA19855; Wed, 18 Apr 90 12:41:12 -0700 Message-Id: <9004181941.AA19855@presto.ig.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 90 14:45 CDT From: DMONEY@ducvax.auburn.edu Subject: Sinead in Atlanta To: jitr X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" Status: OR Sinead will be in the Fabulous Fox on May 1, 1990. I bought a couple of tickets Monday, and they had sold about 85% of the 5,000 seats available. I had been told by this girl that she really wanted to go to the concert. She talked about it for over a week. So I drive up to Atlanta to get tickets, and now she's backing out. Any cool single chicks in the Atlanta or Auburn, AL area interested in going? - Dean - dmoney@auducvax From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Apr 18 14:13:03 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA22714; Wed, 18 Apr 90 14:11:27 -0700 Received: from kvetching.Berkeley.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA22710; Wed, 18 Apr 90 14:11:24 -0700 Received: by sprite.Berkeley.EDU (5.59/1.29) id AA459338; Wed, 18 Apr 90 14:11:38 PDT Message-Id: <9004182111.AA459338@sprite.Berkeley.EDU> To: DMONEY@ducvax.auburn.edu Cc: jitr Subject: Re: Sinead in Atlanta In-Reply-To: dmoney@ducvax.auburn.edu's message of Wed, 18 Apr 90 14:45:00 CDT. Date: Wed, 18 Apr 90 14:11:37 PDT From: Fred Douglis Status: OR Any cool single chicks in the Atlanta or Auburn, AL area interested in going? really, must we turn this mailing list into a "swinging singles" group? Fred From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Apr 19 03:26:01 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA10282; Thu, 19 Apr 90 03:23:57 -0700 Received: from mcsun.eu.net by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA10269; Thu, 19 Apr 90 03:23:43 -0700 Received: by mcsun.EU.net via EUnet; Thu, 19 Apr 90 12:23:27 +0200 (MET) Message-Id: <9004191023.AA25288@mcsun.EU.net> Received: from csclna.cs.tcd.ie by kestrel.Ukc.AC.UK with UUCP id aa04570; 19 Apr 90 11:00 BST Received: from swift by csclna.csclna.cs.tcd.ie id af20013; 19 Apr 90 10:07 GMT Date: Thu, 19 Apr 90 09:56 GMT From: "Glynn Anderson 14WR 2.6" Subject: Sinead in Dublin. To: jitr X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" Status: OR Sinead will play the Point Depot in Dublin, Ireland on 25th June. Glynn. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sun Apr 22 00:58:44 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA24476; Sun, 22 Apr 90 00:55:39 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA24377; Sun, 22 Apr 90 00:48:18 -0700 Message-Id: <9004220748.AA24377@presto.ig.com> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 90 00:48:16 -0800 From: mcb@presto.ig.com (Michael C. Berch) Subject: MCB's review of I DO NOT WANT WHAT I HAVEN'T GOT To: jump-in-the-river Status: OR I DO NOT WANT WHAT I HAVEN'T GOT will take a bit longer for me to feel 100% comfortable with, in comparison to THE LION AND THE COBRA. I should point out that THE LION AND THE COBRA is probably the CD that I've played more than any others in the last 3-odd years, and that it instantly became, and remained, my favorite album of the 1980's. So IDNWWIHG has a lot to live up to, but I think it makes the grade, both musically and thematically. There is nothing here that compares with the raw power of (say) "Troy" or "Just Like U Said it Would B", but Sinead trades some of this knife's-edge emotionality for lyrical and musical complexity. Before the release of the album, the only songs I'd heard from it were, of course, "Nothing Compares 2 U", rightly on its way to #1 on the charts, the previously-released "Jump In the River" from the MARRIED TO THE MOB soundtrack, and "Black Boys on Mopeds" which Sinead sang on an "MTV Unplugged" session and also exists, I am told, as an import cassette single (bootleg?) that was played on radio for a while. The surprise hit on the album, and the song I keep coming back to, is the wonderfully eclectic "I Am Stretched on Your Grave". This is an unusual mix, consisting of a percussion track that seems ripped right out of New York rap (I kept expecting Public Enemy to break in any second), Sinead's almost monotonic vocal, a dark Celtic poem, and -- finally -- an Irish fiddle (played by Steve Wickham). The total effect is stunning; I crank this one up and play it over and over. Much has been written about "Nothing Compares 2 U", and now that every radio station in the U.S., from Alternative/College to Top-40, seems to play it about five times a day, we will undoubtedly see and hear much more. With luck, this will be Sinead's _entre'_ to the major music awards and the mass sales awards (gold/platinum records etc.) and the global recognition that comes with them. Add to this a video that is brain-fryingly and heart-stoppingly beautiful, right down to the tear making its way down Sinead's cheek, and you've got a Song of the Year in the making. "Feel So Different" is the perfect song to begin the album, as it introduces the "new" Sinead to an audience made up of previous fans and a lot of new converts. With a simple melody and accessible lyrics, it seems to say "This is where I'm at: if you like this, you;ll like what follows; if this seems different to you, be prepared for some changes." "Three Babies", "The Emperor's New Clothes", "You Cause As Much Sorrow", and "The Last Day of Our Acquaintance" are in may ways similar, and form sort of a thematic core for the whole album. Sinead's anger is restated, but not muted, and in these songs she shows that she can express emotional strength and depth with softly-sung lyrical turns just as well as with the shrieks and screams of THE LION AND THE COBRA. "The Emperor's New Clothes" is the second U.S. single, and should be a winner. I don't know if Top-40 radio is ready for lines like "If I treated you mean/I really didn't mean to/But you know how it is/And how a pregnancy can change you", but we shall see. "Jump In the River", as I have written about before (in a previous message about the video), may represent the last of the "old" Sinead, and is a delightfully frazzled, dizzy song with a video that matches in mood and tone. The backing instruments, which Sinead evidently cooked up herself on a synth -- the percussion at least -- sound otherworldly, like a bar band on bad acid, cutting in and out of the vocal at weird times. Underneath all this is a perfectly good Sinead song, where the lyrics work more on a symbolic/emotional level than a rational one, like much of THE LION AND THE COBRA and unlike much of the current album. I haven't made up my mind about "Black Boys on Mopeds"; it asks to be dealt with on a political level, and at that political level I don't know whether I can accept the idea of Mrs. Thatcher credibly compared with the butchers of Tiananmen Square. I accept and enjoy the song on its musical and personal level ("And I love my boy & that's why I'm leaving/I don't want to be aware that there's/Any such thing as grieving") but (considering that the Sinead's politics and mine and Mrs. Thatcher's probably describe three vertices of an equilateral triangle) I wonder whether Sinead understands that her voice and lyrics are a powerful weapon that must be used carefully. Which leaves us with "I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got". Many singers record _a capella_ songs from time to time; most of them simply don't have the range and depth to make up for the starkness of the presentation. Sinead does, as I think we all appreciate, and this provides us with a fine finale to the album. (Though I think Sinead should have dispensed with the slight echo effect here; she doesn't need it.) At this point, of course, I'm depressed: will we have to wait three *more* years for another one???? -- Michael C. Berch mcb@presto.ig.com / uunet!presto.ig.com!mcb / ames!bionet!mcb From koeppel@cs.rutgers.edu Sun Apr 22 12:19:21 1990 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA03727; Sun, 22 Apr 90 12:18:46 -0700 Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.3/3.05) id AA11499; Sun, 22 Apr 90 15:18:43 EDT Date: Sun, 22 Apr 90 15:18:41 EDT From: jessica To: mcb (Michael C. Berch) Cc: jump-in-the-river Subject: Re: MCB's review of I DO NOT WANT WHAT I HAVEN'T GOT In-Reply-To: Your message of Sun, 22 Apr 90 00:48:16 -0800 Message-Id: Status: OR hey, we Kate fans had to wait 6 for kate's latest!! jessica :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Oh WOW! thought I'd be outta here by now. --Concrete Blonde | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Apr 25 14:14:24 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA10246; Wed, 25 Apr 90 14:12:06 -0700 Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA10242; Wed, 25 Apr 90 14:11:57 -0700 Received: from E40-008-6.MIT.EDU by ATHENA.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA07468; Wed, 25 Apr 90 17:11:52 EDT From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Received: by E40-008-6.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA17241; Wed, 25 Apr 90 17:11:49 -0400 Message-Id: <9004252111.AA17241@E40-008-6.MIT.EDU> To: jitr Subject: Is this list alive or what??? Date: Wed, 25 Apr 90 17:11:47 EDT Status: OR Just wondering..... Angelos ================================================================================ e-mail to: |I LIKE MUSIC BY 10,000 Maniacs, Cure, U2, kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu |Lene Lovich, Kate Bush, Laurie Anderson, kyrlidis@jack.mit.edu |Sinead O Connor, Peter Gabriel, Lou Reed, ===================================|David Bowie, Velvet Underground, Tribe, "Just like U said it would B" |Eurythmics, Prince, Indigo Girls, Pixies ================================================================================ From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Wed Apr 25 19:48:09 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA18631; Wed, 25 Apr 90 19:47:33 -0700 Received: from nova.cc.sunysb.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA18627; Wed, 25 Apr 90 19:47:30 -0700 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 90 22:47 EDT From: PMANCHESTER@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Alive but at low ebb To: jitr Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: jitr@presto.ig.COM X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" Status: OR Angelos wants to know if this group is alive. Hypothesis: a lot of us are in or around college, where it is end of semester and we're going nuts. I sure am. If you're still having any trouble getting into IDWWIHG, try learning the words and singing it yourself. Better than Buddhism. p From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Apr 26 06:50:41 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA29120; Thu, 26 Apr 90 06:44:45 -0700 Received: from STAR-TREK.BBN.COM by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA29116; Thu, 26 Apr 90 06:44:42 -0700 Message-Id: <9004261344.AA29116@presto.ig.com> Received: by STAR-TREK.BBN.COM id aa09640; 26 Apr 90 9:34 EDT To: jitr Subject: Stupid questions are better than no questions at all Date: Thu, 26 Apr 90 09:10:57 -0400 From: eboneste@bbn.com Status: OR Exactly what is "mandinka" anyway? Liz From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Apr 26 09:41:14 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA03809; Thu, 26 Apr 90 09:39:14 -0700 Received: from BU.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA03805; Thu, 26 Apr 90 09:39:10 -0700 Received: by BU.EDU (1.97) Thu, 26 Apr 90 12:39:03 EDT Received: by xenna.Xylogics.COM (4.12/4.7_jlv1/7/90) id AA08662; Thu, 26 Apr 90 12:35:15 edt Received: by world.std.com (5.61++/Spike-1.0) id AA09728; Thu, 26 Apr 90 11:51:43 -0400 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 90 11:51:43 -0400 From: eliz@world.std.com (Elizabeth Lear) Message-Id: <9004261551.AA09728@world.std.com> To: jitr Subject: Re: Stupid questions are better than no questions at all Status: OR To: jump-in-the-river Subject: More questions Status: OR This question isn't stupid, but it is over-asked. But, I haven't seen any replies, so I guess I'll ask myself. Does anyone have a list of Sinead's tour dates? If not, then does anyone know if/when she'll be playing any city in the southwest (texas, colorado, arizona, california ... I'm not picky). If nobody can answer either of those, can anyone tell me where I should go to look for such information? I'm at a loss. I REALLY REALLY REALLY want to see her sing "Troy" live. I think it would make a nice end-of-the-semester treat. Mark cheeks@edsr.eds.com or ...uunet!edsr!cheeks From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Apr 26 10:59:38 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA06213; Thu, 26 Apr 90 10:58:45 -0700 Received: from mentor.cc.purdue.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA06209; Thu, 26 Apr 90 10:58:42 -0700 Received: by mentor.cc.purdue.edu (5.61/1.14) id AA26636; Thu, 26 Apr 90 12:58:30 -0500 Message-Id: <9004261758.AA26636@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> To: jitr Subject: while we're asking Date: Thu, 26 Apr 90 12:58:29 -0500 From: ( Colin :) Status: OR Any person have an idea of any tour dates in Minneapolis? I am going ot be camped out there most of this summer, and would be most interested in going to see Sinead(most interested may be interpreted as a *SEVERE* understatement). --colin From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Thu Apr 26 21:20:52 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA22245; Thu, 26 Apr 90 21:12:42 -0700 Received: from barad-dur.endor.cs.psu.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA22235; Thu, 26 Apr 90 21:12:38 -0700 Received: by barad-dur.endor.cs.psu.edu id 7238; Fri, 27 Apr 90 00:11:02 EDT From: "Patrick A. Troy" To: jitr Subject: Another question Message-Id: <90Apr27.001102edt.7238@barad-dur.endor.cs.psu.edu> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 90 00:10:57 EDT Status: OR I know that some mail was sent saying that "Troy" was somehow influenced by Keats (or who ever wrote that poem), but my question is, "What does the phrase 'No other Troy for me to burn' mean or refer to?" Is it some reference to the Greek city of Troy, or is it a word meaning wood or something else that you burn? I have a personal interest in this one. Thanks for any comments. Pat From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Apr 27 14:50:31 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA11277; Fri, 27 Apr 90 14:47:42 -0700 Received: from sdsu.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA11272; Fri, 27 Apr 90 14:47:38 -0700 Received: from sunstroke.sdsu.edu by sdsu.edu; id AA08790 sendmail 5.61/SDSU-GW-1.5 via SMTP Fri, 27 Apr 90 14:47:32 -0700 for jitr@presto.ig.com Received: from derek@sunstroke.SDSU.EDU (ls_mac2.SDSU.EDU) by sunstroke.SDSU.EDU (4.0/SDSUGENERIC.2) id AA22423 for delivery to jitr@presto.ig.com; Fri, 27 Apr 90 14:45:31 PDT Date: Fri, 27 Apr 90 14:45:30 PDT From: derek%sunstroke@sdsu.edu (Derek Langsford) Message-Id: <9004272145.AA22423@sunstroke.SDSU.EDU> To: jitr Cc: Subject: Sinead "zombies" Status: OR Perhaps one reason why this group is not as "alive" as say the Kate Bush group is that Sinead has only just released her second album, is only now achieving substantial success and does not have a slough of books, fan magazines, bootlegs, rare recordings or interview articles etc. Thus there is not as much to discuss. Until such material is generated all we have are her songs, her concerts, the odd interview and the small amount of trivia that makes it to publication. And/or, we could all be too busy to generate posts. It's difficult also to keep up with everything one may want to read on the net groups. Any comments? _____________________________________________________________________________ Derek Langsford | "It could take me all my life, Polperro->Edinburgh->San Diego | or it could only take a moment..." derek@sunstroke.sdsu.edu | Kate Bush, Love & Anger _____________________________________________________________________________ From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Apr 27 17:47:50 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA17932; Fri, 27 Apr 90 17:47:06 -0700 Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA17923; Fri, 27 Apr 90 17:46:58 -0700 Received: from E40-008-10.MIT.EDU by ATHENA.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA24220; Fri, 27 Apr 90 20:46:50 EDT From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Received: by E40-008-10.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA02272; Fri, 27 Apr 90 20:46:48 -0400 Message-Id: <9004280046.AA02272@E40-008-10.MIT.EDU> To: jitr Subject: Sinead on New Visions, VH-1 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 90 20:46:46 EDT Status: OR Hi, OK, this list is not dead! But, I still believe more people should start posting... I have some good news for all of you that would like to see Sinead in action. (No, not free concert tix...I wasn't able to find any for myself...Well, to be more accurate I missed the concert announcement, and the tickets sold out in a matter of hours. AND i refused to give 75 dollars for balcony seats to some scalping agency...) I just watched New Visions on VH-1, and was surprised to see that SOC was the featured artist, who PERFORMS LIVE on the show. She played "The last day of our acquaintance" and "IDNWWIHNG". I am actually beginning to like the second song, and her voice live is just as good as her voice on the album. SO, if you have nothing to do during the weekend, try to catch this show, or set your VCR to record it. (I did!). By the way, has she released any videos??? I would love to have a video of any live performance from her first tour. I remember that WFNX broadcasted her show at the Channel back in 1987, but having just come to Boston, I only had a walkman and couldn't record it. I was however surprised by her rendition of "Troy", among others. I was also studying for a Thermodynamics exam, that;s why I didn't go to that show... Has anybody on the list seen Sinead live? Would they be willing to tell the rest of us what her stage routine is like? At this point I can only imagine... Angelos ================================================================================ e-mail to: |I LIKE MUSIC BY 10,000 Maniacs, Cure, U2, kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu |Lene Lovich, Kate Bush, Laurie Anderson, kyrlidis@jack.mit.edu |Sinead O Connor, Peter Gabriel, Lou Reed, ===================================|David Bowie, Velvet Underground, Tribe, "Just like U said it would B" |Eurythmics, Prince, Indigo Girls, Pixies ================================================================================ From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Fri Apr 27 19:48:12 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA19378; Fri, 27 Apr 90 19:47:41 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA19373; Fri, 27 Apr 90 19:47:39 -0700 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 1990 19:47:38 PDT From: John M. Relph To: jitr Subject: A Review Message-Id: Status: OR SF Weekly April 25, 1990 Vol. IX, No. 8 _recordings_ by Ann Powers Sinead O'Connor _I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got_ Chrysalis When she put her fist through the window of the pop world with her 1987 debut, )The Lion and the Cobra), Sinead O'Conoor seemed like a post-adolescent driven wild by the looming power of her own voice. There was rage and impossible sweetness; the wish to be part of the crowd (you can hear it in O'Connor's love of the dance mix) and the determination to remain apart. There wasn't any control. _I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got_ is a kind of explanation of that earlier outburst -- its tone is cool and impeccably well-crafted, with even the rawest moments tempered by Sinead's own smooth production. Many of the songs are literal accounts of the conflicts O'Connor faced as a new celebrity, the most appealing is "Emperor's New Clothes," in which our heroine saves the gossip columns the trouble by plainly stating just how her fame affected her marriage to drummer John Reynolds (in a nice twist, he plays on the track); also intriguing is the story of O'Connor's parting with a mentor (lover?), "The Last Day of Our Acquaintance." On other cuts, O'Connor plays with lyrical masks: "Three Babies" could be a new take on the ancient Medea story, or, more likely, could be giving voice to the homeless mother named two songs later in "Black Boys on Mopeds." "I Am Stretched on Your Grave" implants hip hop rhythms onto an ancient Irish ballad, told from a man's point of view; O'Connor blasts through the gender barrier and makes the obsession behind the story its only point. By mixing fact with applicable fiction in her songs, O'Connor takes control of her public image in ways that Janet Jackson could only dream about, all the while making provocative, political music. O'Connor's singing remains astounding, although the cathartic fireworks of her debut effort have been abandoned in favor of a more finely honed expressiveness. She phrases in the manner of Irish folksinging, skirting around melodies, letting the songs' meaning form through her emphasis on certain words. Like Van Morrison, O'Connor ingests the spirit of current African-American music (for Van, it was soul, for Sinead, Prince-style rock) to make a startling, extremely personal sound. She's not a rapper, but O'Connor translates hip hop's rhythm and narrative impact into her own approach, and in doing so, she may have discovered the only way to save mainstream rock from becoming a dinosaur form. Rock and roll has historically been the product of white males siezing black cultural influences and mixing them up to suit their own experience. It's appropriate -- and thrilling -- that as female and Afrocentric voices grow stronger in the general cultural discourse, the two most inspiring rock voices belong to Prince, a black man from Minneapolis, and an Irish-born woman. O'Connor's still on the upswing, and _I Do Not Want What I HAven't Got_ doesn't prove her status as a great artist; but it's clear evidence that she's on her way. I cheer her ascendancy. I'll hold my Zippo up for Sinead O'Connor anytime. From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sat Apr 28 08:50:22 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA29953; Sat, 28 Apr 90 08:44:34 -0700 Received: from maxine.WPI.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA29949; Sat, 28 Apr 90 08:44:31 -0700 Received: by maxine.wpi.edu (5.61/4.7) id AA17488; Sat, 28 Apr 90 11:46:09 -0400 Date: Sat, 28 Apr 90 11:46:09 -0400 From: roy@maxine.wpi.edu (Roy Rubinstein) Message-Id: <9004281546.AA17488@maxine.wpi.edu> To: jitr, kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: Re: Sinead on New Visions, VH-1 Status: OR kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu, 27 Apr 90 20:46:46 EDT writes: >I just watched New Visions on VH-1, and was surprised to see that SOC was >the featured artist, who PERFORMS LIVE on the show. >SO, if you have nothing to do during the weekend, try to catch this show, >or set your VCR to record it. (I did!). What day/time(s)? >I remember that WFNX broadcasted her show at the Channel back in 1987, Are you sure of the date and place? I saw Sinead at the Paradise (much smaller club than the Channel) in Boston on March 31, 1988, and I think that was her first tour. >I was however surprised by her rendition of "Troy", among others. She did a long acoustic version of "Troy" for the encore at the Paradise. Was this what you remember? I didn't know that it would be broadcast, but I did tape it in the club. Unfortunately, when I flipped the cassette over, it screwed up so I missed the last song ("I Want Your Hands On Me") and the encore. Does anyone have a copy of the radio broadcast? I have stuff to trade... >I was also studying for a Thermodynamics exam, that;s why I didn't go to that show... Where are you priorities?!? >Has anybody on the list seen Sinead live? Would they be willing to tell the >rest of us what her stage routine is like? At this point I can only imagine... There's not really that much to tell. I was about 5 feet away (if you know the Paradise, I was on the stage side of the center pillar) and could hear he almost as much directly as through the PA system. She was very good, but pretty much just stood there and sang. This is fine with me (and often preferable to those who want to make a "routine"), but not much to discuss. The audience seemed to include far too many people pushing and shoving to get near the stage and who were there because she was (and I guess still is) a rising star. They seemed not to be there for the music. I suspect the situation will be even worse in larger venues. Roy From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sat Apr 28 09:14:38 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA00338; Sat, 28 Apr 90 09:10:04 -0700 Received: from Steed.CRIM.CA by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA00326; Sat, 28 Apr 90 09:09:57 -0700 Received: by steed.CRIM.CA (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA01983; Sat, 28 Apr 90 12:07:18 EDT Date: Sat, 28 Apr 90 12:07:18 EDT From: justin@crim.ca (Justin Bur) Message-Id: <9004281607.AA01983@steed.CRIM.CA> To: jitr Subject: Sinead live, last time Status: OR It seems that Sinead is skipping Montreal entirely during this tour. For the Lion and the Cobra tour, she played at the Spectrum, and I'm pretty sure it was sold out (but it took a few days, rather than a few minutes, to sell out). The Spectrum is a former cinema with the seats removed and replaced with chairs around small tables; the large section directly in front of the stage is set up differently for each concert depending on the type of music and the size of the crowd. For Sinead, it was completely empty - all standing room. After the opening act (rap, of course - with an attempt at audience participation that didn't work all that well), Sinead came out in the centre of a single white spotlight, the only light on an entirely dark stage. She started with Jackie, and continued straight into Mandinka. There was nothing else in the world except her and her voice, raging, at times almost screaming. The accompaniment must have come from somewhere - the band was there in the shadows - but the only centre of attention, the source of all the explosive energy, was Sinead herself. Afterwards, the CD sounded very calm and restrained. justin From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sat Apr 28 22:43:10 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA10283; Sat, 28 Apr 90 22:42:03 -0700 Received: from ames.arc.nasa.gov by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA10279; Sat, 28 Apr 90 22:42:01 -0700 Received: by ames.arc.nasa.gov (5.61/1.2); Sat, 28 Apr 90 22:19:04 -0700 Date: Sat, 28 Apr 90 22:19:04 -0700 From: Henry Mensch Message-Id: <9004290519.AA00793@ames.arc.nasa.gov> To: derek%sunstroke@sdsu.edu Cc: jitr, nessus@athena.mit.edu Subject: Sinead "zombies" Reply-To: henry@garp.mit.edu Status: OR Date: Fri, 27 Apr 90 14:45:30 PDT From: derek%sunstroke@sdsu.edu (Derek Langsford) Perhaps one reason why this group is not as "alive" as say the Kate Bush group is that Sinead has only just released her second album, is only now achieving substantial success and does not have a slough of books, fan magazines, bootlegs, rare recordings or interview articles etc. maybe we could talk doug alan (the guy who runs the kate bush list) into interviewing sinead .. :) -- henry -------- From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Sun Apr 29 14:46:19 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA17667; Sun, 29 Apr 90 13:52:53 -0700 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA17650; Sun, 29 Apr 90 13:49:53 -0700 Message-Id: <9004292049.AA17650@presto.ig.com> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 90 13:49:51 -0800 From: mcb@presto.ig.com (Michael C. Berch) Subject: Flash: Sinead in Berkeley 6/3 & 6/4 To: jitr Status: OR This is primarily of interest to Bay Area members of the list -- apologies to the rest of y'all, but I wanted to get this out quickly. Last night (unfortunately I was not near a terminal) the Bay Area stop on the tour was announced -- Sunday 6/3, 7:30 PM at Berkeley Community Theatre. Tickets went on sale today (4/29) at 10 AM. I got through to BASS/Ticketmaster on the phone at about 12:30, and a second concert was announced for the following day, Monday 6/4 at 7:30. The Sunday show was down to single seats, but I was able to get 6 prime seats together for the Monday show. (Sorry, JITRs, they're spoken for...) If you see this and haven't acted yet, I recommend dropping what you're doing and hitting the phones or a ticket location -- BCT is a relatively small hall, and I hope there are seats left when most of you get this Monday morning. Perhaps there will be 3rd show, but I doubt it. Michael mcb@presto.ig.com From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Apr 30 07:14:02 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA10760; Mon, 30 Apr 90 07:13:41 -0700 Received: from GAFFA.MIT.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA10756; Mon, 30 Apr 90 07:13:38 -0700 Received: by gaffa.MIT.EDU (5.61/DA1.0.2) id AA25726; Mon, 30 Apr 90 10:13:19 -0400 Message-Id: <9004301413.AA25726@gaffa.MIT.EDU> From: Doug Alan Reply-To: Doug Alan To: henry@garp.mit.edu Cc: derek%sunstroke@sdsu.edu, jitr Subject: Re: Sinead "zombies" In-Reply-To: Your message of Sat, 28 Apr 90 22:19:04 -0700. <9004290519.AA00793@ames.arc.nasa.gov> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 90 10:13:15 EDT Sender: nessus@gaffa.mit.edu Status: OR > maybe we could talk doug alan (the guy who runs the kate bush list) > into interviewing sinead .. :) Sure, I'll interview her. Just tell me when and where to meet her! (When I interviewed Kate Bush I spent about six months on the phone harrassing record company people in order to get the interview.) |>oug From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Apr 30 12:26:12 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA20371; Mon, 30 Apr 90 12:26:01 -0700 Received: from nessie.wwu.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA20367; Mon, 30 Apr 90 12:25:59 -0700 Message-Id: <9004301925.AA20367@presto.ig.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 90 12:27 PST From: Dave Armstrong <8548222@wwu.edu> Subject: The meaning of Troy To: jitr X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" Status: OR The other day Pat was wondering what burning Troy refered to. If you look on the liner notes, of The Lion and the Cobra, you will notice the following: Mandinka & I Want Your Hands On Me mixed by terrence morris (a.k.a. t. roy) Hope this helps -- David From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Apr 30 12:42:38 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA21007; Mon, 30 Apr 90 12:42:29 -0700 Received: from ducvax.auburn.edu by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA21003; Mon, 30 Apr 90 12:42:25 -0700 Message-Id: <9004301942.AA21003@presto.ig.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 90 14:46 CDT From: DMONEY@ducvax.auburn.edu Subject: Sinead in Atlanta (5/1/90) To: jitr X-Vms-To: IN%"jitr@presto.ig.com" Status: OR I'm going to see Sinead tomorrow evening. Thanks to all of the women who volunteered to go with me. I'll try to review the show when I get back to work on Thursday. - Dean - From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Apr 30 13:57:43 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA23083; Mon, 30 Apr 90 13:57:30 -0700 Received: from jade.Berkeley.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA23079; Mon, 30 Apr 90 13:57:26 -0700 Received: from radon.Berkeley.EDU by jade.berkeley.edu (5.61.1/1.16.23) id AA27851; Mon, 30 Apr 90 13:54:27 PDT Received: from localhost by radon.berkeley.edu.XMicroSuns (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA02768; Mon, 30 Apr 90 13:57:01 PDT Message-Id: <9004302057.AA02768@radon.berkeley.edu.XMicroSuns> To: jitr Subject: Re: Sinead live In-Reply-To: Your message of Sat, 28 Apr 90 11:46:09 -0400 <9004281546.AA17488@maxine.wpi.edu> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 90 13:57:00 -0700 From: mudie@radon.berkeley.edu Status: OR >>Has anybody on the list seen Sinead live? Would they be willing to tell >>the rest of us what her stage routine is like? >From: roy@maxine.wpi.edu (Roy Rubinstein) >She was very good, but pretty much just stood there and sang. This is an accurate description of her show at the Stone in SF too. Sinead wore a plain black jumpsuit, there was no fancy lighting, and the other musicians were very much in the background. Some of the music was taped; Sinead took a break off-stage while the intro to "Troy" played over the speakers. She drinks Evian. It was interesting (and slightly annoying) to watch her do her own production while performing; there were *lots* of hand gestures to her sound man. The only non-Lion&Cobra song I remember her doing was "Jump in the River", a few months before it was due to be released. She sang "fucked" instead of "did it" in the chorus. Sinead chose a rap group to open. Hopefully the "special guest" will be a little more interesting this time around. >The audience seemed to include far too many people pushing and shoving to >get near the stage and who were there because she was (and I guess still is) >a rising star. They seemed not to be there for the music. Much better crowd in SF. The show became "presented by" the local modern music station a few weeks after it had already sold out, so most of the tickets had gone to established Sinead fans before the unwashed masses discovered her. The radio station sent along an obnoxious DJ to "introduce the artist", and he was roundly booed from the stage. The crowd was pin-drop silent during the songs, except for several spontaneous bursts of applause after Sinead belted out the chorus to an "vocally intense" song like "Jackie" or "Jerusalem". I have orchestra right seats for the show on June 3rd. Damn I'm good. -D- From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Apr 30 14:14:32 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA23507; Mon, 30 Apr 90 14:14:15 -0700 Received: from att-in.att.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA23500; Mon, 30 Apr 90 14:14:11 -0700 From: ohm!boyle!eob@pruxk.att.com Received: from boyle.att.com by ohm.att.com (3.2/SMI-3.2) id AA17312; Mon, 30 Apr 90 16:32:40 EDT Received: by boyle.att.com (3.2/SMI-3.2) id AA19797; Mon, 30 Apr 90 16:32:40 EDT Date: Mon, 30 Apr 90 16:32:40 EDT Original-From: ohm!boyle!eob (Eamonn O'Brien) Message-Id: <9004302032.AA19797@boyle.att.com> To: jitr Subject: Re: Sinead in Atlanta (5/1/90) Content-Type: text Content-Length: 86 Status: OR It's amazing what people will do to see Sinead ;-) Eamonn eob@ohm.att.com ~~~~~~ From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Apr 30 14:32:23 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA23970; Mon, 30 Apr 90 14:32:16 -0700 Received: from ucscc.UCSC.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA23966; Mon, 30 Apr 90 14:32:10 -0700 Received: by ucscc.UCSC.EDU (5.61/1.35) id AA17791; Mon, 30 Apr 90 14:34:10 -0700 From: sco!tracyr@ucscc.ucsc.edu Message-Id: <9004302134.AA17791@ucscc.UCSC.EDU> To: nessus@mit.edu Subject: Sinead interview Cc: jitr Date: Mon Apr 30 13:49:38 1990 Status: OR But |>oug, surely you would have to spend plenty of time developing theories about the meanings of Sinead's songs first. Only then could you hope to have an interview that could match your chat with KaTe! Your biggest fan, Tracy uunet!sco!tracyr, tracyr@sco.com P.S. Thanks to whoever it was that announced Sinead's Bay Area concert dates!! I have 4 tickets for the Monday, June 4 show. Perhaps we should have a Sinead Boink beforehand?? From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Apr 30 15:12:04 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA25232; Mon, 30 Apr 90 15:11:49 -0700 Received: from jade.Berkeley.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA25227; Mon, 30 Apr 90 15:11:45 -0700 Received: from radon.Berkeley.EDU by jade.berkeley.edu (5.61.1/1.16.23) id AA29161; Mon, 30 Apr 90 15:09:01 PDT Received: from localhost by radon.berkeley.edu.XMicroSuns (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA02917; Mon, 30 Apr 90 15:11:37 PDT Message-Id: <9004302211.AA02917@radon.berkeley.edu.XMicroSuns> To: jitr Subject: Catchy name for Sinead fans? In-Reply-To: Your message of Sun, 29 Apr 90 13:49:51 -0800 <9004292049.AA17650@presto.ig.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 90 15:11:36 -0700 From: mudie@radon.berkeley.edu Status: OR Hey, subscribers to the Kate Bush mailing list get to call themselves "love-hounds", but what's the catchy name for members of the Sinead mailing list? "JITRs" certainly doesn't cut it; it's practically unpronouncable. Except maybe as "jitters", which does have a nice ring to it. River jumpers? Wetbacks? -D- From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Apr 30 16:26:14 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA25232; Mon, 30 Apr 90 15:11:49 -0700 Received: from jade.Berkeley.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA25227; Mon, 30 Apr 90 15:11:45 -0700 Received: from radon.Berkeley.EDU by jade.berkeley.edu (5.61.1/1.16.23) id AA29161; Mon, 30 Apr 90 15:09:01 PDT Received: from localhost by radon.berkeley.edu.XMicroSuns (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA02917; Mon, 30 Apr 90 15:11:37 PDT Message-Id: <9004302211.AA02917@radon.berkeley.edu.XMicroSuns> To: jitr Subject: Catchy name for Sinead fans? In-Reply-To: Your message of Sun, 29 Apr 90 13:49:51 -0800 <9004292049.AA17650@presto.ig.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 90 15:11:36 -0700 From: mudie@radon.berkeley.edu Status: OR Hey, subscribers to the Kate Bush mailing list get to call themselves "love-hounds", but what's the catchy name for members of the Sinead mailing list? "JITRs" certainly doesn't cut it; it's practically unpronouncable. Except maybe as "jitters", which does have a nice ring to it. River jumpers? Wetbacks? -D- From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Apr 30 16:40:21 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA00592; Mon, 30 Apr 90 16:40:09 -0700 Received: from ucscc.UCSC.EDU by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA00582; Mon, 30 Apr 90 16:40:05 -0700 Received: from gaffa.mit.edu by ucscc.UCSC.EDU (5.61/1.35) id AA20652; Mon, 30 Apr 90 15:30:49 -0700 Received: by gaffa.MIT.EDU (5.61/DA1.0.2) id AA27053; Mon, 30 Apr 90 18:28:23 -0400 Message-Id: <9004302228.AA27053@gaffa.MIT.EDU> From: Doug Alan Reply-To: Doug Alan To: sco!tracyr@ucscc.ucsc.edu Cc: jitr Subject: Re: Sinead interview In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 30 Apr 90 13:49:38 -0500. <9004302133.AA17766@ucscc.UCSC.EDU> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 90 18:28:21 EDT Sender: nessus@gaffa.mit.edu Status: OR > [tracyr:] But |>oug, surely you would have to spend plenty of time > developing theories about the meanings of Sinead's songs first. > Only then could you hope to have an interview that could match your > chat with KaTe! No way! I've given up on that sort of thing. From now on it's all stuff like "What is your favorite kind of cow?" and "Who does your toenails?" > Your biggest fan, Golly, gosh! Probably my only fan.... |>oug From jitr-request@presto.ig.com Mon Apr 30 17:28:46 1990 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA03037; Mon, 30 Apr 90 17:28:28 -0700 Received: from bunny.gte.com by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) with SMTP id AA03030; Mon, 30 Apr 90 17:28:24 -0700 Received: by bunny.gte.com (5.61/GTEL2.12) id AA08496; Mon, 30 Apr 90 20:28:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 90 20:28:17 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Message-Id: <9005010028.AA08496@bunny.gte.com> To: jitr Subject: Troy Status: OR "Patrick A. Troy" asks > I know that some mail was sent saying that "Troy" was somehow > influenced by Keats (or who ever wrote that poem), but my question is, > "What does the phrase 'No other Troy for me to burn' mean or refer to?" > Is it some reference to the Greek city of Troy, or is it a word meaning > wood or something else that you burn? > > I have a personal interest in this one. Thanks for any comments. If you read the poem (just as a reminder it's "No Second Coming" by William Butler YEATS, an Irishman -- Keats is English, and some folks are picky about distinguishing those two countries...) it is very clear that Ms. O'Connor is referring to the poem, and Yeats is definitely referring to the ancient city of Troy. If you've been, say, browsing through the Aeneid of Virgil recently, you might recall that Troy was dusted (indeed, burned down) due to the fallout from a vicious love triangle (Paris, Menelaus, and the infamous Helen). Yeats echos this triangle, with rabid Irish nationalist Maude Gonne as Helen, himself as the injured Menelaus, and the fight for Irish independence filling in for the Trojan Paris. I think Ms. O'Connor is picking up on Yeats (and Virgil's) theme of an inevitable violent end -- to a relationship or whatever -- that since there is "no other Troy" for her to burn, her intense destructive passion is going to turn in on her relationship and herself. I dunno, seems this sense of an unrestrainable, destructive passion is a very Irish idea. Certaintly, Yeats is a basis of modern Irish writing, and I for one count Ms. O'Connor as a major modern Irish writer. Yo, sorry for the lecture, but one of the things that fascinates me about Ms. O'Connor is thought and wisdom that lurk around in even her craziest songs. By the way, what IS mandika, anyway? Greg Bossert -- gb10@gte.com -- Footah!