From: owner-babel-digest@postmodern.com (babel-digest) To: babel-digest@postmodern.com Subject: babel-digest V10 #127 Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com Sender: owner-babel-digest@postmodern.com Errors-To: owner-babel-digest@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk babel-digest Thursday, June 16 2005 Volume 10 : Number 127 In this issue: Re: Opinions are like ... (NPC) RE: Opinions are like ... (NPC) Re: Opinions are like the oldest preoccupation of man... Re: Opinions are like ... (NPC) Win tickets to Meltdown BJM (npc) Patti - Meltdown - June 15, 2005 & BBC Radio 4 interview on-line Re: Patti - Meltdown - June 15, 2005 & BBC Radio 4 interview on-line Re: Patti - Meltdown - June 15, 2005 & BBC Radio 4 interview on-line Re: Patti - Meltdown - June 15, 2005 & BBC Radio 4 interview on-line new band (some Patti reference) Juliette and The Licks (now npc) Patti: "Our Goverment is Corrupt" See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the babel-list or babel-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:25:54 EDT From: KLKOZAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Opinions are like ... (NPC) Yeah, Julie (?), I know what you mean. Nearing mid-forties, I realize the more I know, the less I know...more questions, fewer answers. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:40:34 -0400 From: "Gart, Mitchell" Subject: RE: Opinions are like ... (NPC) In the 80's Neil Young voted for Reagan and then later he regretted it and apologized. - - Mitch > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com > [mailto:owner-babel-list@postmodern.com]On Behalf Of KLKOZAK@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 9:26 AM > To: Julie987@webtv.net; Babel-list@postmodern.com > Subject: Re: Opinions are like ... (NPC) > > > Yeah, Julie (?), I know what you mean. Nearing mid-forties, > I realize the > more I know, the less I know...more questions, fewer answers. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:04:36 -0500 From: Steve Parrott Subject: Re: Opinions are like It's been said that a person doesn't become a "conservative" until they have something to conserve. When you are young with no possessions or bills, it is real easy to be all revolutionary and against "the machine". In later life when you have things to lose, it does change your attitudes. Maybe that is a sad situation in some cases, but it is just the way of life. Steve On Jun 14, 2005, at 11:46 PM, Julie York wrote: > I learned that over the years to vote for a Democratic Party in the > elections. In my 20's, I voted for whoever I thought would be the best > president for that time, regardless of what party they belonged to. > Some > of my opinions have changed in the last 15 to 20 years, and some of > them > stayed the same. My opinions have definitly changed since my teens. > I've > been doing things much differently since my teens and 20's. Some of the > things I thought that I would never like, I'm interested in now. Some > of > the things that I thought I wouldn't be doing, I'm doing now. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 08:22:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Radio Ethiopia Subject: the oldest preoccupation of man... When self-interest supersedes moral integrity, spirituality is lost. We must at all cost maintain the spiritual because we can take nothing else with us when we die. Best wishes, RE Steve Parrott wrote: It's been said that a person doesn't become a "conservative" until they have something to conserve. When you are young with no possessions or bills, it is real easy to be all revolutionary and against "the machine". In later life when you have things to lose, it does change your attitudes. Maybe that is a sad situation in some cases, but it is just the way of life. Steve On Jun 14, 2005, at 11:46 PM, Julie York wrote: > I learned that over the years to vote for a Democratic Party in the > elections. In my 20's, I voted for whoever I thought would be the best > president for that time, regardless of what party they belonged to. > Some > of my opinions have changed in the last 15 to 20 years, and some of > them > stayed the same. My opinions have definitly changed since my teens. > I've > been doing things much differently since my teens and 20's. Some of the > things I thought that I would never like, I'm interested in now. Some > of > the things that I thought I wouldn't be doing, I'm doing now. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:55:37 -0700 From: "PageRox" Subject: Re: Opinions are like ... (NPC) Good case-in-point, Mitch! And KLK, I also find that smack dab in the middle of my 40's 'there were many things...I didn't know'! But my teenager and wannabe teen teach me so much about things--where would the joy be if my 10yo didn't do 'mom-like' things and come into my room asking to sing a song, then commence to 'sing' the WHOLE '8 Mile' themesong, memorized from the 2nd hearing--complete w/them gestures and everything?! This is the stuff that dreams are made of...kids who we pass the musical torch to. They may not be singing OUR songs all the time, but hey--I have to ask HIM for reference on any song on 'American Idiot', and that's one of my favourite albums! (Speaking of politics. :-D) We also mangle songs with our own rhymes, and mimic the singers as well. I know that's a bit off what we were discussing, but also I think it fits in. If we can't make jokes about the artists that supply us with so much good stuff (and bad!) then how boring is that?! So, I will continue to think Gilda wized up after her frenzied coke-fueled time as a Not Ready for Prime Time Player and gave Patti a whirl. She just seemed like such a smart person, y'know? XO-Glenna ----- Original Message ----- From: Gart, Mitchell To: KLKOZAK@aol.com ; Julie987@webtv.net ; Babel-list@postmodern.com Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 6:40 AM Subject: RE: Opinions are like ... (NPC) In the 80's Neil Young voted for Reagan and then later he regretted it and apologized. - Mitch > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com > [mailto:owner-babel-list@postmodern.com]On Behalf Of KLKOZAK@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 9:26 AM > To: Julie987@webtv.net; Babel-list@postmodern.com > Subject: Re: Opinions are like ... (NPC) > > > Yeah, Julie (?), I know what you mean. Nearing mid-forties, > I realize the > more I know, the less I know...more questions, fewer answers. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.3/15 - Release Date: 6/14/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 14:34:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Keith Subject: Win tickets to Meltdown From my Black Rebel Motorcycle Club list. Hope one of you from across the pond can win. Keith **************************** Black Rebel Motorcycle Club wrote: Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:28:26 +0100 WIN TICKETS TO MELTDOWN As previously announced, BRMC will be playing a very special show as guests to Patti Smith's Meltdown Festival. They are set to play London's Royal Festival Hall on June 17. We have a limited number of tickets to give away for this exclusive event. To stand a chance of winning a pair of tickets, visit the following URL: http://www.blackrebelmotorcycleclub.com/meltdown.php Please note this contest is only open to people who can actually attend. If you know for sure you have no way of getting to the show, please don't enter. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:07:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Keith Subject: BJM (npc) I received this from my Dandy Warhols email list/yahoo group. For those of you who liked Brian Jonestown Massacre's show earlier...... Keith ******************* The Brian Jonestown Massacre will be headlining at the Dirty Water Club in London this Friday, 17 June. There will be (I think) two other bands on the bill. The club opens from 9pm till late: live music finishes at midnight, but the bar remains open and the dancing continues till late. Hope you can make it! Dirty Water Club The Boston Arms Junction Road opposite Tufnell Park tube ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:22:48 EDT From: GordonComs@aol.com Subject: Patti - Meltdown - June 15, 2005 & BBC Radio 4 interview on-line 00:09 Hello, I've not enough time now for a proper review but tonight was pretty interesting. Patti came on to say a few words, mostly about a young woman who died. Following that Tilda Swinton came on to read from a book and after that there was a (sickening) film about Mai Lai, a Vietnam attrocity as seen through the eyes of some of teh soldiers who were there. The film was only the conversations of some of those involved (no awful pictures other than those that we could conjure in our minds). Following this was a discussion on by 3 war correspondants, who later took questions from the audience. The evening was rounded off when Patti came on with Ed Harcourt (on piano) to sing 'Peaceable Kingdom'. Sorry I can't go into more detail but i need to get to bed. After the event Patti was on a stall in the foyer where she was chatting and signing autographs. I was taken aback by how smart and composed she was. I guess that previously I've really only seen her after she's been belting it out on stage for a couple of hours. She was really charming. : ) I've uploaded a few pictures form teh evening, if anyone wants to take a look. They're not great and have been scaled down for this site. http://www.photobox.co.uk/album/1502783 When I got home a friend (thanks Julia!) had left me an ansaphone message to say that Patti had been on this morning's 'Today' programme on BBC Radio 4. This is a (mostly) serious news/current affairs broadcast. I missed it when it went out but you can find, at least for a few more hours at least, the 5 minute interview on the site below. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/ Thanks to Patti. It was a strange start to Meltdown-proper (Patti had been attending her daughter's gradulation in New York). But it was so nice to see her back over here and looking so well. I can't wait for the rest of the series. : ) Best wishes, Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 00:48:50 +0100 From: "Words 2 - Permuted" Subject: Re: Patti - Meltdown - June 15, 2005 & BBC Radio 4 interview on-line On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 00:22:48 +0100, permuted the following: > 00:09 > > Hello, > I've not enough time now for a proper review but tonight was > pretty > interesting. > > > Best wishes, > Gordon Thanks for the review. Can't wait for the Horses night! - -- Words Everything is Permuted http://www.permuted.org.uk http://my.opera.com/Words/journal/ Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 01:27:16 +0100 From: Andrew F Wilson Subject: Re: Patti - Meltdown - June 15, 2005 & BBC Radio 4 interview on-line Just to add to Gordon's comments, this was a sombre evening, but the performance of Peaceable Kingdom was an appropriate end to the programme (I realise that there are quite a few people who find this a hard song to like). Seeing Patti in the foyer afterwards also cheered us up no end, and we left on a happier note - in my case clutching a signed copy of CrossSection... It is some time since I had seen Tilda Swinton - I've just checked the date and it was 1995, when she was in an installation at the Serpentine Gallery, sleeping in a glass box. The piece she read by Susan Sontag included many references to Virginia Woolf, making a unspoken connection to Patti's performances at the Charleston Festival two years ago. The QEH was selling a limited edition broadside of Peaceable Kingdom, which Patti had signed that afternoon. Unfortunately it did not show a limitation number and was not dated. I was told that there were 'about 100 copies' - the money from them was all going to a charity, but I've now forgotten which (probably for Iraq, I think). kind regards Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 21:27:29 EDT From: Poemsl1@aol.com Subject: Re: Patti - Meltdown - June 15, 2005 & BBC Radio 4 interview on-line Thank you, Andrew! It means so much to us here in the USA and all over the world to get these reports from you and Gordon! xxo- Seena ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 22:57:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Keith Subject: new band (some Patti reference) http://www.julietteandthelicks.com/ Just caught them on a VH1 Special. I did hear the band a while ago and before I figured out who Juliette is and I liked them. A friend of mine sent me the link. I made some bad joke about them being a lesbian band. Anyway on the VH1 Special tonight Juliette referenced Patti as an influence. I have their cd and I like it. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 23:02:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Keith Subject: Juliette and The Licks (now npc) Oops, I forgot. The VH1 Special is being rerun at midnight eastern time, 11pm central time (in the USA) Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 21:23:28 -0700 (PDT) From: L French Subject: Patti: "Our Goverment is Corrupt" Here are Patti's comments from the BBC 4 radio interview about the state of the U.S. goverment... can't wait to her what Patti has to say in London about the Bush administration during her anti-war concert... For some reason she seems to speak more forcefully against the corrupt Bush administration when she's in London. PATTI SMITH: In the United States right now, our government is corrupt, its on the extreme right, and its in bedfellows with corporations and big business. Theyve destroyed the infrastructure of Iraq, illegally. The response of artists in our country has been lagging. I think part of this is because the events of Sept 11th have made people leery of speaking out. BBC 4: Why isnt the music and culture exploding now, over Iraq, as it did in the sixties, over Viet Nam? PATTI SMITH: Its not exploding now, because in the sixties people were touched personally in the United States by the Viet Nam war. It gave everyone a focus. It gave everyone a focus for their fears, for their anger, for being vigilante, for watching what the government was doing. Now, I feel our times are worse then they were back then. But I feel that because people arent touched personally, so they are slower to react. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of babel-digest V10 #127 **************************** To unsubscribe from babel-digest, send the following command in the body of a message to "majordomo@postmodern.com": unsubscribe babel-digest To subscribe, send the command "subscribe babel-digest" instead. 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