From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 04:28:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id EAA25809 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 04:28:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id EAA25804 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 04:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip75.an5-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.16.75]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA02888 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 07:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 07:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971001072503.3fb78038@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: eltyger@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" Subject: Re:[2] Letterman tonight Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 0713 EDT // Wed 1 Oct 97 // BklnNYC *************************************************************** >From: Bluemuse@aol.com >Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:15:18 -0400 (EDT) >To: babel-list@postmodern.com >Subject: Re: Letterman tonight >... >But wasn't it funny how *stupid* Letterman got when the >Wonderbra model appeared? She was a bit classy; he was a >moron. ** I had him a "Dork", but... She *was* kind of a Hot-Number: An OwStraylyan Blonde! Whew! But what I thot was Yowzah!: When the Camera comes back and Patti's sitting between the Blonde and Dave...I Couldn't Look Away From Patti! >... > Wilson: I loved the faux performance log! ** Amen! >--Bob Farace *************************************************************** --// eLTyger --// /*RESPECT FOR THE ELECTRON(S)*/ --// /*SACRED LIGHTNING/ DANCE THE WORLD*/ From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 04:34:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id EAA25851 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 04:34:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout14.mail.aol.com (emout14.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.40]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id EAA25846 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 04:34:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Ethiopium@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id HAA06040 for babel@postmodern.com; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 07:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 07:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971001073323_694187068@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: babel@postmodern.com Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #340 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I'm in for the aol chat. From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 05:27:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA25939 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 05:27:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id FAA25934 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 05:27:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from default (fi.smart.net [205.219.246.223]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA08026 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:27:42 -0400 Message-Id: <199710011227.IAA08026@gemini.smart.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Fiona Webster" Organization: http://www.oceanstar.com To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:26:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: "1959" on Letterman Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I was actually a little bit disappointed. Patti started the song off-pitch (flat) and stayed that way. When Tony and crew joined in on the chorus, they went along with her, of course, which sort of rubbed it in. The flat pitch diminished the creepy joyfulness of the song for me. (Unlike some who are saying it will grow tiresome, I really *like* this song!) And why couldn't Lenny do that Mediterranean guitar thing on stage? But her radiant smile through the veil of hair was great! And I love the sweet simplicity of a 50-year-old woman who waves to her "Mommy and Daddy" when she's on TV. She knows when to leave her irony behind and just be real. --Fiona From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 05:29:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA25972 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 05:29:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from spacelab.net (mta@spacelab.net [206.42.130.4]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id FAA25967 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 05:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.42.131.157] by spacelab.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11397) with SMTP id AAA17495 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:28:57 -0400 Subject: Peace and Noise Date: Wed, 1 Oct 97 07:31:55 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "Alison Armstrong" To: "babel-list@postmodern.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <19971001122855.AAA17495@[206.42.131.157]> Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Some thoughts after listening to Peace and Night for the first time last night and watching Patti on Letterman--Patti's voice is so rich and mesmerizing and her lyrics have so many layers of interpretation that it's hard for me to focus on both at the same time. Each alone is so compelling that the synthesis of voice and words is almost too much to absorb. Listening to Peace and Noise is like wandering through a wondrous new city in which every sight and sensation evoked is tantalizing. You want to explore every twisting corner, experience everything you can; you want to savor each part but you're constantly tempted into another direction. Unlike some of the people who have discussed P&N, I find "Whirling Away" to be very strong, especially the refrain, which keeps playing in my mind as I write this. That and "Death singing" are perhaps my favorite pieces so far, but since I love them all, probably my preferences will vary from day to day. Alison From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 05:30:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA26004 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 05:30:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from portal.east.saic.com (portal.east.saic.com [198.151.13.15]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id FAA25995 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 05:29:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mclmx.mail.saic.com by portal.east.saic.com via smtpd (for kristeva.postmodern.com [198.102.244.54]) with SMTP; 1 Oct 1997 12:29:40 UT Received: from mclqm.mail.saic.com by mclmx.mail.saic.com; Wed, 1 Oct 97 08:29:40 -0400 Message-ID: Date: 1 Oct 1997 08:27:02 -0500 From: "Steve Kenney" Subject: p+n on first listen To: "babel-list" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ wow .... !! ..... !! ....!! the song that stands out most for me after one pass-through is Blue Poles -- this is a mortal classsic, one of her best songs *ever,* i absolutely *cannot* get it out of my head waiting underground is also great (love that piano -- oh how patti sounds great with a piano), and whirl away. showing my relative ginsberg ignorance dept: what i posted in the camden set list as "ginsberg's poem holy, holy, holy" was "spell" -- i thought it was remarkable that night, and last night in my living room too. interesting that she managed to avoid a "warning -- explicit lyrics" sticker on the album (though that would probably boost sales -- 14 year old in the record store sez "i don't know who this chick is, but its got explicit lyrics -- cool, let's get it...) memento mori i like, but it didn't bowl me over -- i know it will grow on me, as "fireflies" did (underwhelming at first, now one of my favorite tracks on GA) -- when she started talking about johnny, i flashed back to "horses" -- also when the helicopter went "up, up, up" (birdland...) i agree, stipe's vocals on Last Call don't sit qquite right for me, somehow -- they don't detract significantly from a teriffic song, but they just don't sit right (though i've found stipe/REM intolerable since about 1986, no flames please, just one man's opinion...). and someone (JDaly, methinkst) said the album would really benefit from some Lead Guitar, and he's really right -- i think the groove is great, the whole album's got a thematic, hypnotic groove to me, but a few of the songs (Dead City, 1959, f'rinstance) would just *launch* with some lead. whatever. the only song that fell a little flat for me was Death Singing -- i really like the words, but the music, eh, not so much. maybe if i get into a Pogues headspace tonight... i'm sure it will grow on me as well there really *are* some places where her voice is scary/cool, like she's all shivery and bug-eyed and hurling lightning bolts.... oh, and the Big Secret Album Cover Photo -- i *love* it -- her hand on the bed looks like an alien claw, its *awesome* (when will you be landing? .... : ). and i love that jesse came up with the title -- you go girl! as for Letterman, someone remarked that he was a moron with the bra model -- why should last night have been different than any other night? Patti was killer, no surprise there, great song, great hands, great band. and i thought she looked so goddamn *happy* sitting there at the end (cute little bit about her weight vis-a-vis the model's). though -- dave *could* have given the album another little plug there at the end, no? like holding it up and saying "peace and noise, in the stores today, thanks for being here patti..." jeez, people go on these shows to SELL THEIR WARES, he could help a little. ahhhh, you'll be hearing more from me on this subject, i'm sure.... "Blue Poles......infinitely winding......" love that record, skenney From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 05:41:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA26275 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 05:41:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout31.mail.aol.com (emout31.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.14]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id FAA26270 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 05:41:03 -0700 (PDT) From: GoRimbaud@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout31.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id IAA05450 for babel-list@postmodern.com(send); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971001083953_117109099@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com (send) Subject: PS in Village Voice MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Mother of Us All by Sue Cummings Ever wondered what grief feels like? Turn on the stove. Heat the burner til it’s red-hot, then lay your right eye down on it. when half your vision is seared away, grief is what fills the oozing cavity. GONE AGAIN helped stop the bleeding, an elegiac spasm Patti Smith had while mourning the deaths of her brother, Todd, and her husband, Fred "Sonic" Smith. It took just that sort of double blow to dislodge GONE AGAIN from her domestic cocoon, where she had been mothering in suburban Detroit for the nine years since DREAM OF LIFE. PEACE AND NOISE is the album that had been fomenting before the loss, a batch of songs sprouted in happiness, then pruned by misery. It’s no surprise that the tension of opposites would drive a record entitled PEACE AND NOISE, whose pen-and-ink cover art, created by Smith, is a Ralph Steadman-esque vortex of the album’s lyrical phrases, centered on a splash of brilliant red and yellow and bounded by blank white edges. What is new for Smith, who has championed social consciousness fueled by anger since "Piss Factory," is the way she now tries to imagine the future of her children by comparing their youth to her own. The results are universally resonant: welcome to the historical legacy of the aging baby-boomer who, having made such a big deal of her own adolescent rebellion, finds parenting to be a queasy, ear-biting spectator sport, albeit sometimes a funny one. Patti Smith fans had the pleasure of meeting her son when she reemerged tentatively for a short string of dates in the spring of ’96, shows scheduled precisely around the school break of 13-year-old Jackson Smith and his younger sister. "We are not touring!" guitarist Lenny Kaye said Smith insisted. The backstage life resembled a gypsy caravan of children, relatives, and hired hands, and Lenny roomed with Jackson, an arrangement conducive to hotel jam sessions that overflowed onto the stage. When the lights went down at the Roxy in Hollywood, Patti solemnly warmed up the club crowd with some old songs and a new one cowritten with Fred. Then, when the room was overtaken with sadness and nostalgia, she invited Jackson up for a rousing rendition of "Smoke on the Water." Hunching near his amp, the boy ripped through the fuzzy riff while Mom croaked, "Ah fi-yah in the sky-ee," and everyone whooped and giggled uncontrollably. Fred taught Patti to play guitar, as she does sometimes on PEACE AND NOISE, which is arranged sparsely compared with the rocky fury of GONE AGAIN. Strums and stoic piano chords wrap around her opening words: "If you believe/all your hope is gone/down the drain/of your humankind/The time has arrived/you’ll be waiting here/as I was/in a snow-white shroud/waiting underground." From beginning to end, the Reaper is still a dominating player, but he no longer flirts romantically as the junkie dreams of RADIO ETHIOPIA. Death is a father in "Waiting Underground," biding time on the other side before he reunites with his children "beneath the pilgrim moon." In "Death Singing," he is even a musician. But elsewhere death is a presence lingering in the background as Smith paints an American landscape seen through youthful eyes, in songs like "Whirl Away" and "Blue Poles," where a Dust Bowl kid goes out looking for work and comes back jobless to tell his mom he did as well as he could. "Dead City," a plodding march herded along by a cowbell, references the Motor City 5’s working-class rage with an image of Detroit’s burned-out Rust Belt, then matches that rage with Smith’s own anger at abandonment: "Is it any wonder that I’m crying in the sun/Well I built my dreams on your empty seeds/Now I’m burning them one by one." That’s the same pain that hid behind sarcasm in the title of GONE AGAIN; now it kicks out in a defiant fit on the floor of the studio in "Memento Mori," an ad-libbed swirl of pedal effects and spontaneous verbal throwdowns that fuses the contradictory impulses of the survivor and the bereaved into a story of a son killed at war. "And Johnny never went marchin’ home," she declares. "They took his name/and they carved it on a slab of marble/with several thousand other names/all fallen idols." In the raw abandon of "Memento," you can watch Smith flip from the role of widow, which pervaded the previous album, back again to that of parent, which dominates PEACE AND NOISE. The widow empathizes with the dead husband; the mother with the living children. Imagination, she is saying, can beat death sometimes. Smith brands herself as a boomer with such a Vietnam-style anecdote; you can just see her kids squirming impatiently through the story. PEACE AND NOISE also serves up vitamins-for-their-own-good like "Spell," a chant to the godfathers of Beat. "Holy Kerouac…Holy Burroughs" she intones, and I’m not sure they would care to be so deified, but every young boy needs good male role models, so Mom tries to point ‘em out. In a couple of years, she knows from her own rebel experience, the kids’ll be too cool to listen, much less go onstage with her, so she seizes the moment with her captive audience: "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times," she tell him in "1959." "Mom," they might say, "can we go play Nintendo?" Every parent knows sometimes kids don’t listen. Every artist knows sometimes nobody listens. Every wife knows sometimes hubby doesn’t listen; he’s too far away and anyway she’s just saying "pick up your socks, pick up your socks" while he’s trying to watch the game. The point is the wife just keeps talking. She keeps talking because she’s alive. She’s breathing and something has to come out with the air. The kids need her and so she makes an album for them. By the time she’s done, a lot of other people hear it too. People she’s been ignoring a long time. They’re listening. The kids, maybe seven or eight years from now, they’ll meet those "desolation angels serving it up with love," the ones from "1959." Everyone else is listening now as she lays out a future. Hubby keeps watching the game. As time speeds up and changes come faster, it becomes every more impossible for any one generation to envision the lives of the next. But Smith gets surprisingly close. My favorite moment here comes in "Death Singing," when she imagines her husband’s ghost, and says he sings of "these viral times." Vietnam served as her generation’s sign of destruction; AIDS is her children’s. The noise comes when the mother thinks of it, the peace when she speaks it. From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 05:46:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA26320 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 05:46:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout16.mail.aol.com (emout16.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.42]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id FAA26315 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 05:46:05 -0700 (PDT) From: GoRimbaud@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id IAA07633 for babel-list@postmodern.com(send); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:45:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:45:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971001084352_440598893@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com (send) Subject: tower records PS ad in Voice Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ the sue cummings article in the village voice is positioned on recto, page 63, and has a fairly good-sized ad on the recto, page 62, announcing the P&N release and the "come to howieville" release party. the picture used is the same as the cd cover and the poster. also the ad provides arista's web site address, for what good that may be...they still haven't updated the damn site! still pissed about lack of promotion! phillip From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 05:52:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA26364 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 05:52:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from berzerk.rs.itd.umich.edu (root@berzerk.rs.itd.umich.edu [141.211.63.17]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id FAA26358 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 05:51:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from battlezone.rs.itd.umich.edu by berzerk.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.6/3.0-mailhub) with ESMTP id IAA27049; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:50:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (birena@localhost) by battlezone.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.6/4.0-client) with SMTP id IAA25880 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:50:16 -0400 (EDT) From: barbara nagler X-Sender: birena@battlezone.rs.itd.umich.edu To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: spell Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ It's all a spell, earthy mysteries droning through densely interwoven roots & out into sky, I really love the whole thing. My favorites are probably Spell and dead city, but I have a hard time choosing favorites on her albums and find all the songs essential and interwoven. I like cycling back to Waiting Underground after Last Call. From lost in the skies to ancestor gods alive in shrouds and feet beating on the ground. As far as I'm concerned, strange as it may sound, Spell is a dance song, and I shall inflict it along w/others on my Fri. nite dance ... I would like to see the lyrics to dead city. The end of it is esp. gorgeous, and I feel that whatever one may feel about Detroit (I do love the mangy old beast) it's typical of it to grind out something of such beauty through someone beautiful & able to express it. It's an earth city (to me) and the earth is in trouble and can sometimes groan & scream esp. well through it. Spell is up with my favorite all-time-most-beautiful pieces. It just says it all. Irena From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 06:17:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id GAA26468 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:17:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from inmet.com (mx1.inmet.com [141.199.15.7]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id GAA26462 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:17:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harp.camb.inmet.com by inmet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA07004; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:16:47 -0400 Received: by harp.camb.inmet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA08457; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:16:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:16:46 -0400 From: mg@inmet.com (Mitch Gart) Message-Id: <199710011316.JAA08457@harp.camb.inmet.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: check out the Sessions website Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I also had a problem with the screen saver on Windoze. But on the other hand, the two video clips at that site are really nice. One's from "don't say nothing" and the other's Patti talking on stage about flossing and other equally important things. - Mitch From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 06:22:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id GAA26510 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:22:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from inmet.com (mx1.inmet.com [141.199.15.7]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id GAA26505 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harp.camb.inmet.com by inmet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA07304; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:21:47 -0400 Received: by harp.camb.inmet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA08796; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:21:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:21:46 -0400 From: mg@inmet.com (Mitch Gart) Message-Id: <199710011321.JAA08796@harp.camb.inmet.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: tower records PS ad in Voice Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ At my local Tower yesterday, P&N was out front with the new Stones and Dylan records, which was nice, but its price was the full $16.99, while the others were discounted at $12.99. The new Dylan record sounds real good, sort of a folk-blues sound. - Mitch From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 06:26:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id GAA26550 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:26:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net (sweden-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.50]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id GAA26545 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:26:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [207.217.8.166] (pool045-nitro1.la-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.8.195]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA26851 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel@postmodern.com From: mbella@earthlink.net (Craig Stoker) Subject: ...por favor Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Hello B-listers! The river art-rat is back. I want to thank you for all the mail. I haven't gotten to my mail yet, there was a mountain waiting for me at work, 7 loads of stinking laundry from our trip, and a crate of mail from the postoffice waiting. It will take several weeks to sort threw all those digests! Thanks for the swaps and trades, I'll respond to my mail personally when I can decompress a little from being away so long. Peace & Noise! --Yana from the Lake P.S. If you haven't yet bought Peace & Noise, please get it this week!! The numbers are really important the 1st week! Buy your holiday gifts early! Best blessings. PPSS. My favorite track, after living on Lake Powell with the tape, is 'Whirl Away' for its lyrical content. I think that 'Don't Say Nothing' is the obvious hit IMHO. Ciao! --Yana ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The most violent of [the filthiest sailors] hold these fragile poems between their teeth as they sometimes hold in their fingers the twigs and threads which will be the masts and gear of a schooner imprisoned in the crystal of a flask. --Jean Genet From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 06:34:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id GAA26602 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:34:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from guelah.nexen.com (guelah.nexen.com [204.249.96.19]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id GAA26597 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:34:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maelstrom.nexen.com (maelstrom.nexen.com [204.249.99.5]) by guelah.nexen.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09043 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:33:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phish.nexen.com (phish.nexen.com [204.249.99.14]) by maelstrom.nexen.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA12891 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [204.249.97.97] (bk.nexen.com [204.249.97.97]) by phish.nexen.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA26155 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:33:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: kendall@pop Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:33:53 -0500 To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: kendall@nexen.com (Brian Kendall) Subject: Re: idea Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Count me too, -finally a reason to log on to my AOL account... BK >In a message dated 97-09-30 22:02:17 EDT, DblLatte0@aol.com writes: > >> >><< Hey...I was just wondering how many people on this list have >AOL...because >>I >> was just thinking maybe we could get some kind of Patti chat room going >>every >> thursday (or anyother day) night. > >Count me in! From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 06:46:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id GAA26667 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:46:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from portal.west.saic.com (portal.west.saic.com [198.151.12.15]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id GAA26662 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:45:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cphub.mail.saic.com by portal.west.saic.com via smtpd (for kristeva.postmodern.com [198.102.244.54]) with SMTP; 1 Oct 1997 13:45:33 UT Received: from cpqm02.mail.saic.com by cpmx.mail.saic.com; Wed, 1 Oct 97 06:45:34 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 1 Oct 1997 09:45:04 -0800 From: "Steve Kenney" Subject: Re: ...por favor To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ welcome home yana! skenney From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 07:31:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id HAA26823 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 07:31:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout26.mail.aol.com (emout26.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.131]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id HAA26811 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 07:31:18 -0700 (PDT) From: GoRimbaud@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout26.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA03043 for babel-list@postmodern.com(send); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971001102442_1399814702@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com (send) Subject: ...por favor Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ In a message dated 97-10-01 09:44:21 EDT, HRH YANA YA YA writ: << The river art-rat is back. >> welcome home, yana, darling! missed your wonderous self!!! be a gathering, st.p From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 09:00:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id JAA27013 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:00:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from donkeykong.rs.itd.umich.edu (root@donkeykong.rs.itd.umich.edu [141.211.63.19]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id JAA27008 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from seawolf.rs.itd.umich.edu by donkeykong.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.6/3.0-mailhub) with ESMTP id LAA19367; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (birena@localhost) by seawolf.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.6/4.0-client) with SMTP id LAA15543 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:59:56 -0400 (EDT) From: barbara nagler X-Sender: birena@seawolf.rs.itd.umich.edu To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Wonderbra & Patti Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ That sounds just like David Letterman's weird humor, to put them both on one show. I'm sure that he had "Diet Woman" (Sarah Ferguson) and the writer of Summer Cannibals on the same show on purpose too. I didn't see this one ... no cable TV ... He certainly drives me nuts to watch, but so does a lot of TV. I have enough problems with my own mind "whirling away" without all the frenetic-paced attempts to keep people happy-happy-happy, or whatever it is they're doing. But, I'm glad he keeps asking Patti back, anyway!! Irena From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 11:57:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA00162 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:57:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from minnie.risd.edu (minnie.risd.edu [207.87.132.102]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id LAA00147 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.190.22.15] by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA07742; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:08:55 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA875745493 Wed, 01 Oct 97 15:38:13 EST Date: Wed, 01 Oct 97 15:38:13 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9709018757.AA875745493@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: P&N blows in on a big wind Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Hey I can't stop listening. But I did stop long enough to listen to the new Dylan album. Scared me at the opening refrain, I thought he might have been suddenly possessed by Leonard Cohen. Anyway, it's a good 'un, too. Now gotta check out the other old guys Babylon recording. Ciao, Mary From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 12:19:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA00438 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:19:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com (emout10.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.25]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id MAA00433 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:19:12 -0700 (PDT) From: TMPJAccas@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA21811 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971001151632_-1832538025@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: idea Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Ok...here's my idea. On Thursday night at 9:00 eastern time I'll open a room in members rooms, Arts and Entertainment called "Peace and Noise" or just locate me. sound good? hope to see you there ~~mike From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 12:21:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA00496 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:21:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from access.netaxs.com (mail@access.netaxs.com [207.8.186.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id MAA00490 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix5.netaxs.com (mail@unix5.netaxs.com [207.8.186.7]) by access.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05742 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:21:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Anthony J. Rzepela" Received: (from rzepelaa@localhost) by unix5.netaxs.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) id PAA04341 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710011921.PAA04341@unix5.netaxs.com> Subject: Re: P&N blows in on a big wind To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:21:17 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <9709018757.AA875745493@ccsmtp.risd.edu> from "Lynch, Mary" at Oct 1, 97 03:38:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Lynch, Mary wrote: > Anyway, it's a good 'un, > too. Now gotta check out the other old guys Babylon recording. Having no self-discipline, I bought P&N last night (better that than a dish of ice cream!) but since I can't get beyond Babylon myself, I may not hear P&N until the listening party on the 8th. (Hmmmm.. will we get free rosaries?) ObPackaging: P&N is available with or without the outer slipcover. The plain-jewelbox version uses the same front photo, but because it's smaller, it doesn't have as much impact. From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 12:22:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA00552 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:22:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: (from mcb@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA00477; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710011920.MAA00477@server.postmodern.com> From: mcb@postmodern.com (Michael C. Berch) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:20:35 +0000 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: jitr, babel-list Subject: [ADMIN] Hardware problems on postmodern.com Cc: fi@oceanstar.com, neslon@panix.com Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ The mail server for postmodern.com has been having some serious hardware problems, and has crashed 3 times already today. It looks like either memory or motherboard problems. I am going to try to run some diagnostics and decide whether it can be fixed or will need to be replaced. In either case, please be warned that list service is likely to be irregular for the next few days until this is resolved. My apologies for the annoyance. BTW, this machine also serves as the Web server www.postmodern.com, so archive and Web service will also be affected. I'll post updates when possible. Regards, -- Michael C. Berch mcb@postmodern.com From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 12:26:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA00586 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:26:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id MAA00577 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:26:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.12]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id KAA22484 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA20211 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:34:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA26471 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:29:33 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:29:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: shrouds In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ thats my fav. imagery the white shrouds at the beginning and the heavens gate thing at the end... circular maybe we all are wearing a different colored shrouds... robert. From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 12:51:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA00740 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:51:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from idecnet.com (root@idecnet.com [194.179.48.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id MAA00722 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:50:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acceso-15.madrid.idecnet.com (acceso-15.madrid.idecnet.com [194.179.104.151]) by idecnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA13062 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:50:11 +0100 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:50:11 +0100 Message-Id: <199710011950.UAA13062@idecnet.com> X-Sender: naib@idecnet.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Versión 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Babel-list@postmodern.com From: Ivan Arroyo Garcia Subject: I'm back Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I'm back ( again and again ). Sad by cannot writting whenever i want, and more sad becouse i think that i'll have to wait until "Peace & noise" comes to Spain :_(. Hope being in a mistake. I'll go this evening ( again ) to my record's shop to see if the CD is there. Well, happy to be here with you again ( let's see how long ). See you. < naib > From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 13:04:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id NAA00889 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:04:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from kxly.com (smtp.kxly.com [205.235.139.36]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id MAA00792 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KXLY_TV_AM_FM-Message_Server by kxly.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 01 Oct 1997 12:59:30 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 12:59:33 -0800 From: Steve Jackson To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: idea -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I GUESS I'M KIND OF A NOVICE ON MANY INTERNET ISSUES..DOES THIOS MEAN YOU NEED AOL AS A SERVER TO GET INVOLVED IN THIS CHAT? HOPE NOT... BY THE WAY..I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM MANY PACIFIC NORTHWEST PATTI FANS...ESPCIALLY IF IT LOOKS LIKE THE BAND IS GONNA PLAY SEATTLE.. WONDER WHAY LETTERMAN HAD THAT WONDERBRA CHICK ON TWO SEGMENTS..AND DIDN'T GET TO TALK TO PATTI? I'VE LISTENED TO THE NEW ALBUM ONCE..I GUESS I NEED TO HEAR IT MORE TO DECIDE WHAT I LIKE BEST..BUT THE FIRST CUT SEEMED REAL STRONG..LIKE THAT LITTLE PIANO LINE..BY THE WAY..ALSO LIKE LENNY'S GUTIAR LAST NIGHT..NOTE THEY ARE USING MATCHLESS AMPS AS WELL. From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 13:49:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id NAA01011 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:49:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from minnie.risd.edu (minnie.risd.edu [207.87.132.102]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id NAA01001 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.190.22.15] by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA30796; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:00:31 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA875752201 Wed, 01 Oct 97 17:30:01 EST Date: Wed, 01 Oct 97 17:30:01 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9709018757.AA875752201@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: I'm back Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Hi Naib :) From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 14:29:05 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id OAA01205 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:29:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id OAA01199 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:28:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA22827 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:25:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA11149 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:12:21 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:12:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: hardware problems In-Reply-To: <199710011950.UAA13062@idecnet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Hey didnt this also happen last year when Gone Again came out? spooky huh? robert... also has a AOL account......maybe see ya in the chat room. From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 15:20:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id PAA01474 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:20:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.92]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id PAA01469 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-121.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.89]) by mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id PAA28584; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/mt.graham.14Aug97) id PAA18608; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710012220.PAA18608@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> From: DBaer@webtv.net (David Baer) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:20:31 -0400 To: Babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Patti's doing an interview on WFDU Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Hi everybody, I just heard that Patti is going to be doing an interview on WFDU which is Fairleigh Dickinson University's (in northern New Jersey) radio station, 89.1 FM on Friday, October 3. She's gonna be on Carol Allen's show, but I don't know the exact time. If you find out, would you let ME know. -David. From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 16:23:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id QAA01626 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:23:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout12.mail.aol.com (emout12.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.38]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id QAA01621 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:23:14 -0700 (PDT) From: DblLatte0@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id TAA01744 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971001192037_1587570917@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Letterman tonight Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I wished Dave spent more time interviewing Patti than the Wonderbra model and the guy off the street. If I had 5 seconds of free speech (instead of the guy off the street) I would hand it over to Patti. Performance of 1959 was mesmerizing. This week has been great with Sessions, Letterman and Peace & Noise. Nicki From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 17:02:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id RAA01829 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:02:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout28.mail.aol.com (emout28.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.133]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id RAA01823 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:02:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Ethiopium@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout28.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA07606 for babel@postmodern.com; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971001194758_845067981@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: babel@postmodern.com Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #340 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Actually, although I would very much like to hear you have to say Jeffrey, I have come to think of your blank postings as a running joke on the babel list. Even if you do post, send a few blanks every now and again, will you? Love,Mary From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 17:03:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id RAA01858 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:03:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com (emout07.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.22]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id RAA01849 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:02:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Ethiopium@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA27772 for babel@postmodern.com; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971001200043_-1530276966@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: babel@postmodern.com Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #342 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Yana, welcome back! Whirl Away is my favorite too. But the whole damn cd is just well, great. Let's be a gathering on aol tomorrow night. Ciao, Mary From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 17:10:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id RAA01931 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:10:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout15.mail.aol.com (emout15.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.41]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id RAA01926 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:10:41 -0700 (PDT) From: TimJDF@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout15.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA29958 for babel@postmodern.com; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971001200610_1631287959@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: babel@postmodern.com Subject: In the Family? Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Hi Folks, I was wondering if anyone here is into Jane Siberry, and if so, do you know if Oliver Ray is in any way related to Jane's pianist Tim Ray? They have similar features, but I've certainly seen much stranger coincidences. Tim! From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 18:22:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id SAA02143 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:22:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from madison.interport.net (madison.interport.net [199.184.165.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id SAA02135 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:22:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from #dalynyc.interport.com (ts3port27.port.net [207.38.249.27]) by madison.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA13245 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 21:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3432F7EF.3BC6@interport.net> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 21:25:03 -0400 From: jEdD X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #342 References: <971001200043_-1530276966@emout07.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Ethiopium@aol.com wrote: > > Yana, welcome back! Whirl Away is my favorite too. But the whole damn cd is > just > well, great. Heehehe. What is it about that song? That's the one that's been running through my head all day too. Its kind of...Aint is Strange-ish, in a way. Musically, anyway. Great vocals, lyrics, melody, etc. And Don't Say Nothing is just...a classic. Other than lacking strong lead guitar, as I mentioned earlier, a few of the songs are a bit ... melody-deprived...but they are growing on me. On Memento Mori, I kinda wish the band was as frenetic and energy-filled as Patti is. The music and the vocals don't quite merge together so perfectly... for me...the way they did so perfectly on Land... P.S. Although 1959 isn't my favorite song on the album, I actually loved last night's performance. The song is growing on me. If Patti was flat..I didn't pick up on it (but then...if you heard me sing..you'd understand. hehe). Just loved the "hi mommy Hi daddy" thing. After all, she said hi to the kids last time, didn't she? I also bought the Dylan and Stones albums. I like the Dylan album, so far. Very bluesy. Can't say the Stones bowled me over yet (...but then, I'm sick of Constant Craving...so..). Finally, before I go enjoy the Kraft low fat macaroni and cheese I just cooked (and added a huge handful of real cheese to in order to make palatable), I should mention that Time Out NY also raved about P & N this week, describing it as "like a letter out of the blue from a friend you drefted apart from years ago." While crediting Patti and Lenny for their "signature sound" the writer also credits young Oliver Ray with bringing "Peace and Noise into the present with more direct chord patterns and arrangements." Go Ollie!! From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 19:10:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id TAA02318 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:10:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from spacelab.net (mta@spacelab.net [206.42.130.4]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id TAA02309 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.42.131.76] by spacelab.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11397) with SMTP id AAA3028 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:10:07 -0400 Subject: "holy" Date: Wed, 1 Oct 97 21:13:05 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "Alison Armstrong" To: "babel-list@postmodern.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <19971002021004.AAA3028@[206.42.131.76]> Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Even though Patti didn't write it, Ginsberg's "holy, holy" chant on "Spell" becomes, through her voice, a therapeutic massage, a loofah sponge rubbing away culturally transmitted guilts, scrubbing away concepts of the body as filthy and sin as innate. Patti's spirituality, everpresent in Peace and Noise and permeating all her work, reminds me somewhat of William Blake's. I think that this may be what I had in mind when earlier today I compared listening to Peace and Noise with wandering through a "new" city. Later, I wondered what I had meant by "new," and I guess I was thinking of it in the Blakean sense of seeing something with "new" eyes. Maybe that's sort of what Christians mean when they talk of being "born again," only when they say this it often means seeing oneself as sinful before and washed by God into something spiritually presentable, unlike the idea in "Spell" that you were always "holy" and just may never have realized it before. The idea of sin, as defined by some Christians, depresses me because it is so hopeless, whereas the message I get from Peace and Noise is that we can share in God or whatever this divine power is if we have hope and a belief in our oneness. It's a blessing coming from within, in contrast to one being imposed by something external. I'm thinking about this in connection with an incident that happened to me yessterday several hours before I finally got to listen to Peace and Noise. Maybe I looked like a poster child of damnation or something , but as I was walking through a Brooklyn subway station I was accosted for the second time by this woman who handed me a gloomy little religious pamphlet. She said I must ask Christ into my heart because she wants to see me in heaven. The pamphlet, of course, luridly depicted the alternative. She said it wasn't enough to believe in Christ, which I do in a non-traditional way. She said you had to acknowledge sin and helplessness. All the time she was saying this, I was having conflicting feelings. The impressionable, spongelike, conditioned -to-feel-guilty sie of me was kind of absorbing her guilts while another side of me was thinking that her beliefs actually promoted, rather than healed, despair and fostered a disregard for all physical creation. Anyway, the woman got to me a bit and left me feeling rather scared and doomed, which was probably the intent, though she may not have consciously realized it. So when I got home and listened to Peace and Noise, it was like an antidote to all that, an affirmation of a much more benign spirituality. I think "Last Call" could be describing people like this woman whose teachings in the name of religion engender life-denying pessimism. Alison From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 20:05:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id UAA02505 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:05:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout31.mail.aol.com (emout31.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.14]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id UAA02495 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:05:07 -0700 (PDT) From: JANAL8@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout31.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA18520 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971001224800_-1596771495@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #337 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ In a message dated 97-09-30 14:16:57 EDT, you write: << Oh I just got the cd! But it was just stuck in with Patti Smith cds. No mention of a new release >> I found it on Tuesday in a Best Buys in Dallas - but also in the bins - not in new releases. Regardless - IT'S INCREDIBLE. I'm gonna help the sales because I've got to have one cd to keep in my pickup - so I don't have to carry it back and forth! P&N, Al in Tx. From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 20:05:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id UAA02512 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:05:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout12.mail.aol.com (emout12.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.38]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id UAA02496 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:05:08 -0700 (PDT) From: TMPJAccas@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA16807 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971001230115_-993781320@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: tower records PS ad in Voice Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I went to Cocanuts on the 30th and there was no trace of the new Dylan album!!! Is it worth getting? From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 20:56:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id UAA02656 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:56:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout34.mail.aol.com (emout34.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.17]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id UAA02651 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:56:02 -0700 (PDT) From: TMPJAccas@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout34.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA29794 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971001224917_-696143480@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Monday/Peace and Noise Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ wow..this is a great album. I can't say it is as good as any of her work in the 70's though. I wish it was more like horses with the poetry breaks and changes during the songs (ex. Land). but o, well...I'm so glad she brought back Johnny!! I'd have to say Waiting Underground, 1959 or Memento Mori are my favorites as of now. well...enjoy ~~mike PS: someone mentioned this but you do have to have AOL to participate in the AOL chat rooms...I don't know how many people will show but I'll give it a try. Thursday 9:00 est. Members rooms, arts and entertainment, Peace and Noise From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 21:01:10 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id VAA02719 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 21:01:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from access.netaxs.com (mail@access.netaxs.com [207.8.186.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id VAA02714 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 21:00:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix5.netaxs.com (mail@unix5.netaxs.com [207.8.186.7]) by access.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA07955 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 00:00:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "Anthony J. Rzepela" Received: (from rzepelaa@localhost) by unix5.netaxs.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) id AAA06972 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 00:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710020400.AAA06972@unix5.netaxs.com> Subject: Re: P&N listening party in Philly To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 00:00:15 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <970929.161057.EDT.MFINE@VM.TEMPLE.EDU> from "M.J. Fine" at Sep 29, 97 04:07:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ M.J. Fine wrote: > > Pontiac Grille on South Street near Third is having a Peace and Noise > release party on October 10, according to a calendar posted on the > club's door. I didn't catch the particulars, as it clashes with Yom > Kippur. Not anymore? An ad in the Philadelphia Weekly for the Pontiac Grille has the P&N party down for 10 PM on October 8, 21 and over only. The same night, there's an all-ages show earlier in the evening. ++Tony "Free Shit!" Rzepela From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 10:50:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA00147 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:50:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id KAA00140 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from access.netaxs.com (access.netaxs.com [207.8.186.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id KAA14881 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix5.netaxs.com (mail@unix5.netaxs.com [207.8.186.7]) by access.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA25585 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:11:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Anthony J. Rzepela" Received: (from rzepelaa@localhost) by unix5.netaxs.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) id NAA14239 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710021711.NAA14239@unix5.netaxs.com> Subject: Wall of Sound likes "P&N" To: babel-list@postmodern.com (babel-list) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:11:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ The Wall of Sound website has a positive review of "P&N". The numeric rating it got was only 83 out of 100, but the final paragraph gushes thusly: But Smith's delivery, which carries the yearning emotional heft of a master poet, makes these relatively simple sentiments seem freshly profound. So does the music, drawn in moody, nuanced arrangements that favor hypnotic drones, though in a couple of spots--"1959," "Dead City," and the ten-minute opus "Memento Mori"--Smith and her band show they can kick it, albeit with a different kind of energy than they did during the late seventies. But today's Smith is as vital as yesterday's, and with two very different albums in two years, she's covered a great deal of difficult ground with rare grace, humanity, and musical vision. Wall of Sound Website: http://www.wallofsound.com/ Review URL: http://www.wallofsound.com/reviews/stories/3154_35index.html From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 11:14:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA00147 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:50:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id KAA00140 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from access.netaxs.com (access.netaxs.com [207.8.186.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id KAA14881 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix5.netaxs.com (mail@unix5.netaxs.com [207.8.186.7]) by access.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA25585 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:11:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Anthony J. Rzepela" Received: (from rzepelaa@localhost) by unix5.netaxs.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) id NAA14239 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710021711.NAA14239@unix5.netaxs.com> Subject: Wall of Sound likes "P&N" To: babel-list@postmodern.com (babel-list) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:11:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ The Wall of Sound website has a positive review of "P&N". The numeric rating it got was only 83 out of 100, but the final paragraph gushes thusly: But Smith's delivery, which carries the yearning emotional heft of a master poet, makes these relatively simple sentiments seem freshly profound. So does the music, drawn in moody, nuanced arrangements that favor hypnotic drones, though in a couple of spots--"1959," "Dead City," and the ten-minute opus "Memento Mori"--Smith and her band show they can kick it, albeit with a different kind of energy than they did during the late seventies. But today's Smith is as vital as yesterday's, and with two very different albums in two years, she's covered a great deal of difficult ground with rare grace, humanity, and musical vision. Wall of Sound Website: http://www.wallofsound.com/ Review URL: http://www.wallofsound.com/reviews/stories/3154_35index.html From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 11:14:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA00142 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:14:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id LAA00135 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from access.netaxs.com (access.netaxs.com [207.8.186.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id LAA22898 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix5.netaxs.com (mail@unix5.netaxs.com [207.8.186.7]) by access.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA04274 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:12:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Anthony J. Rzepela" Received: (from rzepelaa@localhost) by unix5.netaxs.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) id OAA18241 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:12:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710021812.OAA18241@unix5.netaxs.com> Subject: PS in the Phila. City Paper To: babel-list@postmodern.com (babel-list) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:12:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ There's been Patti content in the Philadelphia City Paper two weeks in a row now. Last week, she was subjected to 20 questions by Margit Ditweiler (sp?) in anticipation of the Camden show, and the WW event was a pick of the week. Camden is reviewed this week by ad amorosi, and there's a photo from it. There's also a quarter-page ad for the album/P&N party, co-sponsored by the local independent store "Third Street Jazz" (the only store around here that had any of Arista's oversized postcards back before GA was released.) The ad sez: "Win an original lithograph of Patti Smith artwork autographed by Patti and pick up some free giveaways." They've got the date and time as October 8, 9PM. Location is the Pontiac Grille, address of which is nowhere to be found in the ad. However, the PG is at 304 South Street. From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 11:28:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA00271 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:28:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id LAA00250 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:28:24 -0700 (PDT) From: OHIODECLAN@aol.com Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com (emout07.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.22]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id JAA05587 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:02:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA26888 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:02:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:02:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971002120003_1299335048@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: P&N listening party in Philly Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ There is an ad in today's City Paper for a P&N listening party at the Pontiac Grille at 3rd & South on Wednesday, October 8 at 9:00. Free giveaways and drawing for lithograph are advertised. Jeff From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 11:32:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA00321 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:32:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id LAA00316 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:31:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from minnie.risd.edu (minnie.risd.edu [207.87.132.102]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with SMTP id IAA03428 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 08:43:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.190.22.15] by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA02098; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:55:44 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA875820262 Thu, 02 Oct 97 12:24:22 EST Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 12:24:22 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9709028758.AA875820262@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re[2]: babel-digest V2 #342 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Yeah, I must agree that I would like to hear a more upfront lead guitar. From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 11:32:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA00353 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:32:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id LAA00322 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from minnie.risd.edu (minnie.risd.edu [207.87.132.102]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with SMTP id IAA03416 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 08:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.190.22.15] by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA11759; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:55:38 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA875820260 Thu, 02 Oct 97 12:24:20 EST Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 12:24:20 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9709028758.AA875820260@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re[2]: tower records PS ad in Voice Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Personal opinion - the new Dylan album is worth getting, I like it more all the time. From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 12:18:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA00240 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:18:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id MAA00234 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:18:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from socrates.berkeley.edu (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id LAA29187 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:53:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.136.72]) by socrates.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA02527 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA02948 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:46:47 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:46:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Wall of Sound/Peace and Noise In-Reply-To: <971001224917_-696143480@emout07.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ sounds and review of album at this site http://www.wallofsound.com/reviews/stories/3154_35index.html robert From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 12:25:05 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA00348 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:25:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id MAA00342 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:24:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpgate.uvm.edu (smtpgate.uvm.edu [132.198.101.121]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with SMTP id GAA05240 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 06:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thyme.uvm.edu (132.198.151.224) by smtpgate.uvm.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id <0.19BD7200@smtpgate.uvm.edu>; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 9:25:19 -0400 Received: from THYME/SpoolDir by thyme.uvm.edu (Mercury 1.21); 2 Oct 97 09:25:08 GMT-5 Received: from SpoolDir by THYME (Mercury 1.30); 2 Oct 97 09:24:44 GMT-5 From: "Ron Jacobs" Organization: University of Vermont To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:24:35 EDT Subject: Re: tower records PS ad in Voice Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <29029F9057A@thyme.uvm.edu> Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ > From: TMPJAccas@aol.com > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:04:33 -0400 (EDT) > To: babel-list@postmodern.com > Subject: Re: tower records PS ad in Voice > Reply-to: babel-list@postmodern.com > I went to Cocanuts on the 30th and there was no trace of the new > Dylan album!!! Is it worth getting? Absolutely. This album begins with a guitar pluck, then an organ chord that interrupts the silence. Bobby comes in with a plaintive voice of the past. "I'm sick of love..."he sings. By the end of the song he asking her to stay because he knows that "Love is all there is, it makes the world go round...." The next tune, "Dirt Raod Blues", is a blues piece that sounds like an extension of "Tombstone Blues" and just drives real real hard. He gives us a bit of a break with the next tune "Standin the Doorway", but comes right back at you with the next one. This album doesn't stop....I wish I could quit work and just go home and listen to Dylan and then Patti's new one and repeat it all again. - Ron Jacobs\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\Let's be realistic, Bailey/Howe Library,\\\\\\\\demand the impossible... University of Vermont\\\\\\\\\\\\-Paris, May 1968 Reserve desk\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ rjacobs@thyme.uvm.edu\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Burlington,VT USA\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ http://moose.uvm.edu/~rjacobs/ronshome.html From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 12:27:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA00379 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:27:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id MAA00364 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:26:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from inmet.com (mx1.inmet.com [141.199.15.7]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with SMTP id FAA28556 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 05:51:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harp.camb.inmet.com by inmet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA17488; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 08:48:52 -0400 Received: by harp.camb.inmet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA24949; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 08:48:52 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 08:48:52 -0400 From: mg@inmet.com (Mitch Gart) Message-Id: <199710021248.IAA24949@harp.camb.inmet.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: MC5 MOVIE NEWS: RA RA SIS BOOM BA! Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I got this in the mail and thought others in babel-list would be interested, it's about a movie about the MC-5. - Mitch -------------------------------------- From: economy@tezcat.com ATTN: Friends of the MC-5 !! Dig It! - and Rejoice! - WE DONE KICKED 'EM OUT!! Tuesday, Sept 30, production of MC5 * A TRUE TESTIMONIAL took a giant leap forward! Future/Now Films became recipients of the prestigious Roy W. Dean Grant Award for documentary filmmakers -- to the tune of $35,000 in film goods and services!!! YEAH! Selected from 5 finalists amongst 200 entries, MC5 * A TRUE TESTIMONIAL chewed up the competition and rocked the house! Chicago nightclub Excalibur was the scene of the event, with each of the finalists making their final presentations for the judges. Future/Now's David Thomas channeled the Righteous Energies and RAN IT DOWN! with a chorus of support from co-conspirators Laurel Legler and Jeff Economy. The audience loved it and the preview/trailer BLEW THEM AWAY! The Roy W. Dean Grant is sponsored by Studio Film & Tape, national distributors of Fuji Motion Picture film, and the judges for the event included Academy Award winning director Barbara Trent (THE PANAMA DECEPTION), award winning director Zeinabu Davis, and award winning director David Simpson. This award will go a long way towards keeping the production rolling and eventual realization of the full budget. It was a GREAT night and a GREAT HONOR, wish you ALL could have been there! ...but since you was busy elsewheres, here's the text of our presentation: "Good evening, and thank you. My name is David Thomas of Future/Now Films. I am co-Director and co-Producer of MC5 * A True Testimonial. My co-conspirators in this adventure are producer, Laurel Legler, co-director and director of photography, Jeff Economy, and our editor, Greg Snider of The Looking Glass. We are thrilled to have had this project chosen as one of the finalists for the Roy W. Dean Grant; we consider it a great honor to be here tonight, our thanks to Studio Film & Tape for this opportunity. MC5 * A True Testimonial will be a feature-length examination of the life and times of the MC-5, a high-energy rock n roll band who came blasting out of Detroit in the late 1960s, and their role in American cultural, political, and musical History. When we first began the preliminary research on this film we did so because we are at heart, rock n roll fans. And when we first unearthed archival footage of the MC-5 we were overjoyed to see that they were every bit as exciting and riveting and visually stunning as we had heard. But as we dug deeper into the intricacies of their story and examined the events which they had been a part of, we became increasingly aware not only of how influential this group was, but we began to see their story as a metaphor for the entire 60s youth explosion. We began to see how their career had paralleled the rise and fall of the radical political and cultural movements of the period, and we saw that an in-depth examination of what had happened to this band could be used to tell a larger story about American History. In the midst of the most turbulent years in our nation's history, the MC-5 embraced the promise and embodied the possibilities of a real American Revolution. During their brief career the MC-5 created a firestorm of controversy. They spearheaded the 60's only working class cultural scene; they were the only group with the courage to perform at the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago in a show of solidarity with the Yippies and the anti-war Movement; and they attracted unparalleled attention from state and Federal law enforcement when they formed the White Panther Party in support of their Black Panther brothers. When their first album KICK OUT THE JAMS was released, it was censored by radio, banned by retailers, and quickly pulled off the market. Store owners in the state of Michigan were arrested for selling it. The band's manager, John Sinclair, was jailed in one of the most controversial cases in Michigan History. And as the 60s ended and the political tides shifted, the MC-5 fell into obscurity. Or did they? For as we began our research in Michigan, we found that the legend of the MC-5 had reached the level of Urban Myth. That devotion bordering on fanaticism surrounded this group, and they had changed lives forever. For many, the MC-5 were a working model of limitless possibilities and the MC-5 experience a catalyst for their own personal and political awakenings. The issues that will be explored in MC5 * A TRUE TESTIMONIAL are issues that are still with us -- the struggle against intolerance and oppression, government surveillance, the ongoing battle against censorship, and the fight for freedom of expression...these are the same battles we all continue to fight, and there is much to be learned from the successes and failures of the MC-5. Excitement about this film continues to build, even in its early stages it has received extensive press coverage, and the trailer you are about to see was recently screened for a standing-room-only crowd at the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame and Museum in Cleveland. A theatrical release of the finished film is our ultimate goal. MC5 * A TRUE TESTIMONIAL will mirror the high-energy aesthetic of the MC-5 themselves. It will be a dynamic documentary full of never-before- seen images, including rare archival footage, photos, posters, TV shows, interviews, news footage, and government surveillance films. It will be a high-energy history lesson, a celebration of the fire and the energy and the spirit that has always burned at the heart of the American Dream. We believe it is the last great untold story of the 1960s. We believe it is a story whose time has come, a unique story which we all deserve to know." And then we rolled the trailer on the BIG SCREEN -- 2.5 minutes of SMOKING relentless MC-5 History/Hysteria...there is NO resisting its TOTAL ASSAULT! We walked away with the Grant and the Trophy -- A FIVE POINTED STAR!! Spread the word -- we're still fighting the GOOD FIGHT! And MC5 * A TRUE TESTIMONIAL is another step closer to reality! Peace & Power, Your Brothers and Sister at Future/Now Films From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 13:04:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id NAA00575 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:04:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from idecnet.com (root@idecnet.com [194.179.48.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id NAA00568 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:03:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acceso-19.madrid.idecnet.com (acceso-19.madrid.idecnet.com [194.179.104.155]) by idecnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA12482 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 21:03:50 +0100 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 21:03:50 +0100 Message-Id: <199710022003.VAA12482@idecnet.com> X-Sender: naib@idecnet.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Versión 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Babel-list@postmodern.com From: Ivan Arroyo Garcia Subject: Babel Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ After a hard search, i've found "Babel" in a library, but Spanish version: _(. At least, i'll read it ( as i wait to " Peace & noise ". ) See you. < naib > From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 13:15:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id NAA00636 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:15:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from inmet.com ([141.199.15.7]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id NAA00624 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harp.camb.inmet.com by inmet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA02250; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:14:03 -0400 Received: by harp.camb.inmet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA04844; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:14:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:14:02 -0400 From: mg@inmet.com (Mitch Gart) Message-Id: <199710022014.QAA04844@harp.camb.inmet.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: tower records PS ad in Voice Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Ron Jacobs wrote > .I wish I could quit > work and just go home and listen to Dylan and then Patti's new one > and repeat it all again. Me too! But on the other hand, remembering that Bob's and Patti's new albums are waiting at home is a comforting thought. To Alison, who wrote about the old lady in the Brooklyn subway with the religious views, now we can say to people like that, or hum to ourselves, "don't be led away, don't be led away". - Mitch From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 13:27:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id NAA00699 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:27:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from minnie.risd.edu ([207.87.132.102]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id NAA00694 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:27:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.190.22.15] by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA16508; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:39:32 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA875837340 Thu, 02 Oct 97 17:09:00 EST Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 17:09:00 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9709028758.AA875837340@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re[2]: tower records PS ad in Voice Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Hey, I downloaded the MAc PPC version of the Patti screensaver, and then couldn't open it. It did not expand itself. Anyone have any suggestions? Thanks, MAry From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 13:36:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id NAA00763 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:36:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from socrates.berkeley.edu (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id NAA00758 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:35:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.136.72]) by socrates.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id NAA01352 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:36:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA21740 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:31:25 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:31:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re:another review In-Reply-To: <199710022003.VAA12482@idecnet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ http: //www.ocregister.com/news/1997/0997/092697/lps.html robert From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 14:49:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id OAA00988 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:49:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from minnie.risd.edu (minnie.risd.edu [207.87.132.102]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id OAA00983 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:49:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.190.22.15] by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA02534; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:02:32 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA875842163 Thu, 02 Oct 97 18:29:23 EST Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 18:29:23 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9709028758.AA875842163@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: MC5 MOVIE NEWS: RA RA SIS BOOM BA! Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Wow that is really great news about the MC5 documentary. I can't wait to see it. I remember writing Kick out the Jams Motherfuckers on the wall of the Yale Divinity School about 10 years ago in a fit of frustration over the tepid social activism that was so popular there. I've mellowed - I must admit it, but I've still been known to scrawl it here and there. Unfortunately, no one knows what it means. From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 15:23:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id PAA01090 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:23:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from socrates.berkeley.edu (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id PAA01085 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.136.72]) by socrates.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id PAA01603 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:24:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA11208 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:17:27 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:17:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re:another review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ god, sometimes cut and paste works and sometimes it doesnt. i will resend the review address later. sorry. now im the one with empty posts. Mary....u need a stuffitt or unstuffitt (wrong spelling) program. someone who knows what i mean can help better. Or you should be able to do it from your AOL account with their horrible web browser. robert From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 17:04:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id RAA01406 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:04:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net (norway-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.49]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id RAA01401 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:04:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [207.217.8.188] (pool038-nitro1.la-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.8.188]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA10921 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:06:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710030006.RAA10921@norway.it.earthlink.net> Subject: Wall Of Noise review Date: Thu, 2 Oct 97 17:06:36 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Kevin Dickson To: "Babel list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I lifted this review from today's Wall Of NOise. They also have a bunch of soundfiles up at the site for people to download, of songs from teh album. Hope it comes through ok. The URL is http://www.wallofsound.com/reviews/stories/3154_35index.html Patti Smith's 1975 utterance "outside of society is where I want to be" is a difficult declaration to live down. Few lyrics are soclear in purpose, and those wordsinextricably defined Smith's stature as rock-and-roll rebel and punk priestess supreme. But things change in twenty-two years, and Smith has been through the full cycle of birth and death-- from marrying and becoming a mother to losing both her husband, former MC5 guitarist Fred "Sonic" Smith, and her brother Todd during 1994. Last year, Smith mourned her departed family and friends (including former bandmate Richard Sohl and famed photographer and her former lover Robert Mapplethorpe) on the beautifully somber Gone Again, her first album in eight years. Then she picked up her kids, moved from suburban Detroit back to New York, and began what's clearly a new phase in her career. Now, barely a year after the release of Gone Again, Smith has issued the first statement on her new mission. Peace and Noise finds Smith not just firmly inside society, but yearning for as much of it as she can get. In the ambient opening track, "Waiting Underground," she sings of a "gathering" transpiring beneath the earth. The reggae-styled "Whirl Away," reminds us that "all men are brothers" and on it she asks--sounding nearly stricken by the concept--"Who stands guard for each other?/ Why must we guard anything at all?" Even "Spell," one of the two Allen Ginsberg poems she sets to music on Peace and Noise, forwards the notion that "everything is holy/ everybody's holy." These are timeless themes, of course, older than the Dust Bowl imagery of "Blue Poles" and as modern as the AIDS victims of "Death Singing" or the Heaven's Gate suicides detailed in "Last Call," which features guest vocals from R.E.M.'s Michael Stipe. But Smith's delivery, which carries the yearning emotional heft of a master poet, makes these relatively simple sentiments seem freshly profound. So does the music, drawn in moody, nuanced arrangements that favor hypnotic drones, though in a couple of spots--"1959," "Dead City," and the ten-minute opus "Memento Mori"--Smith and her band show they can kick it, albeit with a different kind of energy than they did during the late seventies. But today's Smith is as vital as yesterday's, and with two very different albums in two years, she's covered a great deal of difficult ground with rare grace, humanity, and musical vision. --Gary Graff From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 17:09:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id RAA01447 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:09:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from madison.interport.net (madison.interport.net [199.184.165.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id RAA01442 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:08:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from #dalynyc.interport.com (ts3port68.port.net [207.38.249.68]) by madison.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA02463 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 20:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <34343833.4D4A@interport.net> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 20:11:31 -0400 From: jEdD X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: NY Patti Party Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Well, I went to the Patti party on Leonard Street tonight. It seemed pretty much as people described the ones in other citys, except here they had autographed cds for sale. They also gave out the posters, and Peace and Noise buttons. They were also giving away a lithograph. We were kind of hoping that the 'ol girl herself would show up to sign the cds, but..nope. Nice people there though. How could you go wrong with Patti people? Still, I can't figure out whether this was a really dumb marketing idea (spending the $$ on people who would have bought the album anyway) or if it was Patti's idea and her way of giving something back to us (free food!). Who knows. Maybe, if she has any say in it at all, she figured that a few more ads wouldn't sell any more records anyway and wanted to make this nice gesture. From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 18:10:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id SAA01574 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:10:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout19.mail.aol.com (emout19.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.45]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id SAA01569 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:10:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Bluemuse@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout19.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA05206 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 21:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 21:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971002210650_-662225101@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Re: MC5 MOVIE NEWS: RA RA SIS BOOM BA! Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Mary sez: >I remember writing Kick out the Jams > Motherfuckers on the wall of the Yale Divinity School about > 10 years ago in a fit of frustration over the tepid social > activism that was so popular there. I guess they had their fill of it during the May Day rally of 1970, eh? It's interesting now, though, to find out some of what went on behind the scenes then, like how Yale kept a busload of Weather Underground from reaching New Haven by getting them stranded on a desolate stretch of the Mass Pike. Or how another WU member, having second thoughts, revealed that there was a case of grenades making its way up from down south. Or how the bomb that went off in the rink might actually have been planted by the Nixon administration to help discredit the activists . . . --Bob Farace From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 19:00:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id TAA01682 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 19:00:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net (italy-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.18]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id SAA01661 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:59:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hawkwind (1Cust119.max1.minneapolis.mn.ms.uu.net [153.34.149.247]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA27422 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <343451E8.6BDE@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 21:01:12 -0500 From: Dan Witt Organization: Legal Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: TLC References: <971002210650_-662225101@emout19.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Hi, I've been reviewing the concert clips of patti that aired last week on TLC's history of r&r punk episode. I'm curious as to the origin of these clips, were they tv specials or released for home video? I'm sure you've probably discussed this when this episode first aired. Does this list have keyword searchable archives? I was pleased to see patti's hair wasn't dyed for letterman, I've always pictured her as being satisfied with her natural appearance and the sessions show(with no gray) seemed odd to me. I'm not even sure exactly how long she has had gray hair but everytime I've seen her with it she looked so wise. -- Dan Witt MInneapolis, MN USA From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 20:17:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id UAA01855 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 20:17:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout13.mail.aol.com (emout13.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.39]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id UAA01846 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 20:16:52 -0700 (PDT) From: TMPJAccas@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA09220 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 23:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 23:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971002231220_-1964100731@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: sorry Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ hey...just wanted to say sorry to all of you who tried to find the room that didn't exist. I'm very sorry, i was watching the Yankee game and lost track of time. But it was scheduled for the same place same time next week so I hope to see you all there ~~Mike From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 20:18:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id UAA01888 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 20:18:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout41.mail.aol.com (emout41.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.59]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id UAA01878 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 20:17:59 -0700 (PDT) From: TMPJAccas@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout41.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA21535 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 23:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 23:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971002231220_-1964100731@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: sorry Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ hey...just wanted to say sorry to all of you who tried to find the room that didn't exist. I'm very sorry, i was watching the Yankee game and lost track of time. But it was scheduled for the same place same time next week so I hope to see you all there ~~Mike From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 21:56:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id VAA02076 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 21:56:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com (emout08.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.23]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id VAA02070 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 21:56:14 -0700 (PDT) From: NoahSeven@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id AAA29220 for babel@postmodern.com; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 00:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 00:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971003005422_-1363291993@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: babel@postmodern.com Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #343 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ i bet Fred is grinning from ear to ear.....somewhere. i really dug his vocals on "It Takes Time" with Patti on the "Until the End of the Word" soundtrack..... noah From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 22:21:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id WAA02165 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:21:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com (brickbat8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.11]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id WAA02160 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:20:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip94.an1-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.12.94]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA12844 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 01:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 01:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971003011630.3ddfe45c@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: eltyger@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #343 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 0117 EDT // Fri 3 Oct 97 // BklnNYC A *Very* Valuable Collector's Item... ************************************************************** >From: NoahSeven@aol.com >Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 00:55:13 -0400 (EDT) >To: babel@postmodern.com >Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #343 >... >i really dug his vocals on "It Takes Time" with Patti on the "Until the End of the Word" soundtrack..... > >noah ************************************************************** --// eLTyger --// /*RESPECT FOR THE ELECTRON(S)*/ --// /*SACRED LIGHTNING/ DANCE THE WORLD*/ From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 22:51:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id WAA02239 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:51:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from smtp.well.com (smtp.well.com [206.80.6.147]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id WAA02234 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:51:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from well.com (nobody@well.com [206.15.64.10]) by smtp.well.com (8.8.6/8.8.4) with ESMTP id WAA14886 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:51:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from maf@localhost) by well.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA14288 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:51:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:51:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Faigenbaum Message-Id: <199710030551.WAA14288@well.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Patti and Dylan Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ For 2 days now I've been listening to nothing but Bob and Patti. For anyone hesitating getting the Dylan record, get off it, bop down to your local compact digital retailer and buy this puppy. I am simply blown away by both of these records. On P&N Momento Mori and Dont Say Nothing are the standouts for me. What a great album. Dylans Time Out of Mind is dark, blusey, swampy, mystical, resigned, magical and multi layered. All about love, broken hearts, heaven, love and heaven. As for lack of promotion, today I was at Tower and asked if they had any extra promo stuff for the Patti Smith CD. The woman told me "We don't have ANY promo materials for that." So have we started a campaign yet to call our local radio stations and start requesting songs? I think Don't Say Nothing is the best choice for a single. Be a WOOLgathering Mark From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 23:06:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id XAA02304 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 23:06:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id XAA02299 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 23:05:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA28986 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 23:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA11639 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 23:02:32 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 23:02:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Patti and Dylan In-Reply-To: <199710030551.WAA14288@well.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I did see that the SF Bay Guardian list 4 places where you can buy Peace and Noise and register to win one of the signed lithographs everyone is talking about. glad i only bought the tape...now i can register to win when i buy the cd.... and then theres the vinyl..... robert. ....yea, but Mark....what station will play Patti Smith? KFOG didnt even feature Peace and Noise on the new releases Thursday. I have written them on their web site...but...nothing.... From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 23:37:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id XAA02393 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 23:37:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout02.mail.aol.com (emout02.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.93]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id XAA02388 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 23:37:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Bluemuse@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout02.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id CAA20590 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 02:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 02:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971003023648_-494132451@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Re: Patti and Dylan Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Is it too early to wonder if there might be a video, for which song, and who might direct it? I don't suppose anyone has heard anything? --Bob Farace From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 3 00:31:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id AAA04312 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 00:31:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com (brickbat8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.11]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id AAA04307 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 00:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip94.an1-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.12.94]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA00826 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 03:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 03:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971003032704.3af7fc76@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: eltyger@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" Subject: Re: Re: Re: Patti and Dylan Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 0326 EDT // Fri 3 Oct 97 // BklnNYC Yes. *************************************************************** >From: Bluemuse@aol.com >Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 02:36:51 -0400 (EDT) >To: babel-list@postmodern.com >Subject: Re: Re: Patti and Dylan ... >Is it too early to wonder if there might be a video, for which >song, and who might direct it? I don't suppose anyone has >heard anything? > >--Bob Farace *************************************************************** HehHehHeh, (No! Stop! Halp! I Swear I Don't Know Nothin'...) --// eLTyger --// /*RESPECT FOR THE ELECTRON(S)*/ --// /*SACRED LIGHTNING/ DANCE THE WORLD*/ From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 3 01:13:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id AAA04312 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 00:31:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com (brickbat8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.11]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id AAA04307 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 00:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip94.an1-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.12.94]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA00826 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 03:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 03:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971003032704.3af7fc76@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: eltyger@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" Subject: Re: Re: Re: Patti and Dylan Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 0326 EDT // Fri 3 Oct 97 // BklnNYC Yes. *************************************************************** >From: Bluemuse@aol.com >Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 02:36:51 -0400 (EDT) >To: babel-list@postmodern.com >Subject: Re: Re: Patti and Dylan ... >Is it too early to wonder if there might be a video, for which >song, and who might direct it? I don't suppose anyone has >heard anything? > >--Bob Farace *************************************************************** HehHehHeh, (No! Stop! Halp! I Swear I Don't Know Nothin'...) --// eLTyger --// /*RESPECT FOR THE ELECTRON(S)*/ --// /*SACRED LIGHTNING/ DANCE THE WORLD*/ From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 3 05:18:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA00364 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 05:18:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from cphub.mail.saic.com (cpmx.saic.com [139.121.95.10]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id FAA00359 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 05:18:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cpqm.mail.saic.com by cpmx.mail.saic.com; Fri, 3 Oct 97 05:18:03 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 3 Oct 1997 08:12:24 -0800 From: "Steve Kenney" Subject: Re: MC5 MOVIE NEWS: RA RA S To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ >>>I remember writing Kick out the Jams Motherfuckers on the wall of the Yale Divinity School about 10 years ago in a fit of frustration over the tepid social activism that was so popular there. I've mellowed - I must admit it, but I've still been known to scrawl it here and there<<< GoMaryGo !!! From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 3 05:23:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA00396 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 05:23:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from cphub.mail.saic.com (cpmx.saic.com [139.121.95.10]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id FAA00391 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 05:23:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cpqm.mail.saic.com by cpmx.mail.saic.com; Fri, 3 Oct 97 05:23:21 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 3 Oct 1997 08:17:33 -0800 From: "Steve Kenney" Subject: Re: Babel To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ looks like naib has been hangin' out with jeffrey ..... : ) From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 3 05:31:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA00454 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 05:31:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from portal.east.saic.com (Portal.East.saic.com [198.151.13.15]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id FAA00449 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 05:31:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mclmx.mail.saic.com by portal.east.saic.com via smtpd (for kristeva.postmodern.com [198.102.244.54]) with SMTP; 3 Oct 1997 12:31:06 UT Received: from mclqm.mail.saic.com by mclmx.mail.saic.com; Fri, 3 Oct 97 08:30:49 -0400 Message-ID: Date: 3 Oct 1997 08:25:29 -0500 From: "Steve Kenney" Subject: again and again To: "babel-list" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ i keep listening to p+n again and again (gee there's a surprise...) -- blue poles is still the standout for me -- waiting underground has crept into the #2 slot, i love the slightly-off-kilter rhythm as they come back out of the bridge -- though this one perhaps more than any other just *cries out* for some lead guitar (mayhaps if/when they play it live.....) -- and i like death singing a lot more now than the first time, that thumping bass reminds me of something but i can't put my finger on it. i agree that don't say nothing is a good choice for single/video, though 1959 seems more likely to be the one picked, something tells me (also a good choice). anybody thought about which ones we're likely to see performed live? the piano makes me think we *won't* see waiting underground -- i think whirl away, 1959, dead city, don't say nothing, blue poles, and last call are good bets. skenney From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 3 05:42:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA00499 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 05:42:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from cphub.mail.saic.com (cpmx.saic.com [139.121.95.10]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id FAA00494 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 05:42:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cpqm02.mail.saic.com by cpmx.mail.saic.com; Fri, 3 Oct 97 05:42:12 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 3 Oct 1997 08:39:05 -0800 From: "Steve Kenney" Subject: Re: PS in the Phila. City Pa To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Thanks for the tip Tony. I pulled the Camden review off the web, anyone interested go to http://www.cpcn.com/articles/100297/music.reviews1.shtml. A very positive review, natch. They don't seem to have back issues up on the web, so i couldn't find the "20 Questions" interview from last week. Anyone have it, or know to get it on the web? skenney From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 3 05:43:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA00536 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 05:43:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from inmet.com (mx1.inmet.com [141.199.15.7]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id FAA00521 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 05:42:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harp.camb.inmet.com by inmet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA02275; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:42:12 -0400 Received: by harp.camb.inmet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA28507; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:42:12 -0400 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:42:12 -0400 From: mg@inmet.com (Mitch Gart) Message-Id: <199710031242.IAA28507@harp.camb.inmet.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: again and again Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ STEVEN.H.KENNEY wrote > i keep listening to p+n again and again (gee there's a surprise...) -- blue > poles is still the standout for me -- waiting underground has crept into the > #2 slot, i love the slightly-off-kilter rhythm as they come back out of the > bridge -- though this one perhaps more than any other just *cries out* for > some lead guitar (mayhaps if/when they play it live.....) Jackson Smith, speaking into the mic at Green Street Grill last summer, "is there a Tom Verlaine in the house?" Tom was there but didn't come up on the stage. Jackson, Lenny, Tony, and Jay Dee were already up there. 3 guitarists in the PSG is a lot, maybe that's why Tom didn't stay, but he sure would be welcome back. > anybody thought about which > ones we're likely to see performed live? the piano makes me think we *won't* > see waiting underground -- i think whirl away, 1959, dead city, don't say > nothing, blue poles, and last call are good bets. Nobody knows what Ms P will do, but songs from the album that have been performed live so far are 1959, dead city,don't say nothing, last call, and spell. Any others? - Mitch From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 3 06:03:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id GAA00610 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 06:03:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from guelah.nexen.com (guelah.nexen.com [204.249.96.19]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id GAA00605 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 06:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maelstrom.nexen.com (maelstrom.nexen.com [204.249.99.5]) by guelah.nexen.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06369 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phish.nexen.com (phish.nexen.com [204.249.97.14]) by maelstrom.nexen.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA18476 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [204.249.97.97] (bk.nexen.com [204.249.97.97]) by phish.nexen.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA08551 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:02:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: kendall@pop Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:02:42 -0500 To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: kendall@nexen.com (Brian Kendall) Subject: Re: Patti and Dylan Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ >....yea, but Mark....what station will play Patti Smith? KFOG didnt even >feature Peace and Noise on the new releases Thursday. I have written them >on their web site...but...nothing.... I remember much more airplay for Gone Again, at least 2 Boston stations were playing, Gone Again and Summer Cannibals (WBCN and "the River"). Come to think of it I never hear Dylan on the radio either. The new album continues to blow me away, I love how after repeated listenings the songs take their form. My favorites are blue poles, spell, don't say nothing and dead city (subject to change every time I listen). I'm not as much bothered by the lack of lead guitar as I am by the vocal mix being burried a little too deep in some songs. (spell and don't say nothing) BK From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 3 06:09:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id GAA00651 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 06:09:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from portal.east.saic.com (Portal.East.saic.com [198.151.13.15]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id GAA00646 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 06:09:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mclmx.mail.saic.com by portal.east.saic.com via smtpd (for kristeva.postmodern.com [198.102.244.54]) with SMTP; 3 Oct 1997 13:08:58 UT Received: from mclqm.mail.saic.com by mclmx.mail.saic.com; Fri, 3 Oct 97 09:08:50 -0400 Message-ID: Date: 3 Oct 1997 09:07:51 -0500 From: "Steve Kenney" Subject: what's up with that? To: "babel-list" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ so why is it that reviewers always seem to get the pretty black-n-white facts wrong? the philly city paper review of camden praises her rendition of About A Boy -- which she didn't play. the wall of sound review of p+n notes the two ginsberg poems she sets to music -- alas, only one. don't get me wrong, both of these reviews are very positive, this is a broader question, reviewers (particularly concert reviewers) always seem to bollocks it up like this, it just seems strange to me that they don't pay more attention.... skenney From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 3 06:11:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id GAA00691 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 06:11:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from inmet.com (mx1.inmet.com [141.199.15.7]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id GAA00686 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 06:11:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harp.camb.inmet.com by inmet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA03074; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:11:03 -0400 Received: by harp.camb.inmet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA29758; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:11:02 -0400 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:11:02 -0400 From: mg@inmet.com (Mitch Gart) Message-Id: <199710031311.JAA29758@harp.camb.inmet.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Patti and Dylan Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Remember some of Patti's early writings, like how she went crazy watching the Stones on TV and how she rode the bus every weekend to the record store to look for the new Dylan album? The other day, going into Tower and seeing the "new releases" rack out front, with a huge stack of Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan, and Patti Smith albums, and just those three, no others, made me think about how far Patti has come. I mean, can you imagine meeting the young Patti, and transporting her into the future where her latest album is a tiny CD thing that's read by a laser, and is right out front of the record store alongside the Stones and Dylan? - Mitch From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 3 06:15:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id GAA00740 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 06:15:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from cphub.mail.saic.com (cpmx.saic.com [139.121.95.10]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id GAA00731 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 06:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cpqm.mail.saic.com by cpmx.mail.saic.com; Fri, 3 Oct 97 06:14:41 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 3 Oct 1997 09:12:54 -0800 From: "Steve Kenney" Subject: Re: again and again To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ >>>Jackson Smith, speaking into the mic at Green Street Grill last summer, "is there a Tom Verlaine in the house?" Tom was there but didn't come up on the stage<<< you mean that jazz joint in the west village? when did they do something there? i don't recall hearing about that -- anybody? From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 3 06:27:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id GAA00781 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 06:27:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from guelah.nexen.com (guelah.nexen.com [204.249.96.19]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id GAA00776 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 06:27:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maelstrom.nexen.com (maelstrom.nexen.com [204.249.99.5]) by guelah.nexen.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06557 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phish.nexen.com (phish.nexen.com [204.249.97.14]) by maelstrom.nexen.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA19316 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [204.249.97.97] (bk.nexen.com [204.249.97.97]) by phish.nexen.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA09670 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:27:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: kendall@pop Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:27:16 -0500 To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: kendall@nexen.com (Brian Kendall) Subject: Re: Patti and Dylan Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ there's a review this morning in the Worcester Phoenix: Rock of ages The persistence of the Stones, Dylan, and Patti Smith up at: http://WWW.WORCESTERPHOENIX.COM/archive/music/97/10/03/ROCK_SURVIVORS.html He doesn't sound like a Patti fan put it's a positive review. From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 3 06:47:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id GAA00839 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 06:47:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from inmet.com (mx1.inmet.com [141.199.15.7]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id GAA00834 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 06:47:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harp.camb.inmet.com by inmet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA04169; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:46:52 -0400 Received: by harp.camb.inmet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA02138; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:46:52 -0400 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:46:52 -0400 From: mg@inmet.com (Mitch Gart) Message-Id: <199710031346.JAA02138@harp.camb.inmet.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: again and again Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ > >>>Jackson Smith, speaking into the mic at Green Street Grill last > summer, "is there a Tom Verlaine in the house?" Tom was there > but didn't come up on the stage<<< > > you mean that jazz joint in the west village? when did they do something > there? i don't recall hearing about that -- anybody? No, it was in Cambridge, the Lenny Kaye Band, sans Patti, last summer. - Mitch From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 3 07:18:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id HAA00969 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 07:18:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from IIGroup.com ([206.157.104.6]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id HAA00963 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 07:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by IIGroup.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 86256525.004EB60C ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:19:44 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: INC From: "Thomas W. Mohr" To: babel@postmodern.com Message-ID: <86256525.004D7567.00@IIGroup.com> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:19:42 -0500 Subject: Sessions / Chicago / Indiana / Friday Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Sorry for the last minute notice, but for anyone in the Chicago area who managed to miss last weekend's Sessions At West 54th, it will be on another PBS station tonight (Friday) at 11 p.m. CDT. Here is the station info: (Document link not converted)WYIN/CHANNEL 56 8625 Indiana Place Merrillville, IN 46410 (219)756-5656 (219)755-4312 (fax) This station is carried on some Chicago area cable systems. Tom 10-3 0908cdt From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 3 07:42:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id HAA01032 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 07:42:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from inmet.com (mx1.inmet.com [141.199.15.7]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id HAA01027 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 07:42:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harp.camb.inmet.com by inmet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA05727; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:42:12 -0400 Received: by harp.camb.inmet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA03512; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:42:12 -0400 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:42:12 -0400 From: mg@inmet.com (Mitch Gart) Message-Id: <199710031442.KAA03512@harp.camb.inmet.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Sessions / Chicago / Indiana / Friday Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ It looks like Sessions w/Patti is on tonight (Friday Oct 3) at midnight on WGBH in Boston. - Mitch From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 3 08:20:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id IAA01206 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:20:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout16.mail.aol.com (emout16.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.42]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id IAA01201 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:20:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Bluemuse@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA29309 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971003111847_1275897810@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: what's up with that? Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ In a message dated 10/3/97 9:10:15 AM, you wrote: >so why is it that reviewers always seem to get the pretty black-n-white facts >wrong? the philly city paper review of camden praises her rendition of About >A Boy -- which she didn't play. There have been instances of reviewers getting advance information about shows and writing a review without even attending. When the program changes without the reviewer knowing about it, they get mighty embarrassed. I don't know if this happened here, or how often it actually happens, but it's been done. I remember reading, I believe in Rosa Ponselle's autobiography, of a damning review of a concert she gave back in the 20s where the reviewer took her to task for her performance of songs that she had removed from the program! --Bob Farace From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 3 08:32:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id IAA01256 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:32:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout33.mail.aol.com (emout33.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.16]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id IAA01251 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:32:01 -0700 (PDT) From: JANAL8@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout33.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA23182 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971003112935_1631489373@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Promo stuff Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ In a message dated 97-10-03 01:53:25 EDT, you write: << As for lack of promotion, today I was at Tower and asked if they had any extra promo stuff for the Patti Smith CD. The woman told me "We don't have ANY promo materials for that." >> Did anyone else get their "Big postcard" in the mail Thur. 10-2 ? I did order the first PHTP months ago - so figured I'd be on the list for the Arista "promo mailout" - but if this is all there is - bummer! It's just an oversized postcard with the Word of Mouth front cover - all the drawings and scribblings - then words of promotion on the back - finishes with "work on paper(detail): patti smith be a gathering" At least it's something and if it is from patti K - then it's fine - but if this is all Arista decided to send out - shame on them. I continue to love this album - my favorite cuts are "don't Say Nothing" "blue poles" and "last call". P&N to all, Al in TX. From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 3 08:46:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id IAA01307 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:46:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from portal.west.saic.com (portal.west.saic.com [198.151.12.15]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id IAA01302 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:46:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cphub.mail.saic.com by portal.west.saic.com via smtpd (for kristeva.postmodern.com [198.102.244.54]) with SMTP; 3 Oct 1997 15:45:21 UT Received: from cpqm02.mail.saic.com by cpmx.mail.saic.com; Fri, 3 Oct 97 08:45:16 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 3 Oct 1997 11:42:21 -0800 From: "Steve Kenney" Subject: Re: PS in the Phila. City Pa To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ i just got an email back from the Philly City Paper -- the "20 Questions" interview witth patti from last week's paper can be found at http://www.citypaper.net/articles/092597/20q.shtml skenney From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 3 10:11:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA01567 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:11:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id KAA01562 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:11:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id NAA22468; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA16356; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:11:07 -0400 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:11:07 -0400 From: ingria@world.std.com (Robert J Ingria) Message-Id: <199710031711.AA16356@world.std.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Patti and Lenny on Fresh Air Today Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ The NPR radio show, Fresh Air, is broadcasting an interview with Patti from last year, and one with Lenny from 1990 (?) today, to celebrate the release of _peace and noise_. Check your local listings. -30- Bob Ingria From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 3 10:20:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA01609 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:20:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com (emout05.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.96]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id KAA01604 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:19:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Light540@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA04107 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971003131532_589341868@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: again and again Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ In a message dated 97-10-03 08:33:09 EDT, STEVEN.H.KENNEY@cpmx.saic.com writes: >and i like death >singing a lot more now than the first time, that thumping bass reminds me of >something but i can't put my finger on it. It reminds me of a Swans song off of the Burning World album, can't remember the name and wish I could get another copy of the album, but as it's out of print can't find it anywhere! I hope they don't release l959 as the single, too much like Cannibals and didn't particularly care for that one either. From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 3 10:28:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA01658 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:28:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from minnie.risd.edu (minnie.risd.edu [207.87.132.102]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id KAA01650 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.190.22.15] by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA19978; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:40:06 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA875912809 Fri, 03 Oct 97 14:06:49 EST Date: Fri, 03 Oct 97 14:06:49 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9709038759.AA875912809@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: Babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Babel Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ looks like naib has been hangin' out with jeffrey ..... : ) I know, thought the same thing immediately. Come on guys, we're waitin' here... From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 3 10:29:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA01681 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:29:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from minnie.risd.edu (minnie.risd.edu [207.87.132.102]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id KAA01675 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:29:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.190.22.15] by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA06561; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:41:19 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA875912816 Fri, 03 Oct 97 14:06:56 EST Date: Fri, 03 Oct 97 14:06:56 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9709038759.AA875912816@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re[2]: MC5 MOVIE NEWS: RA RA S Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ WEll, at least if the movie comes out, someone might know what the hell it means now. From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 3 10:30:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA01732 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:30:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from minnie.risd.edu (minnie.risd.edu [207.87.132.102]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id KAA01674 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.190.22.15] by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA11944; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:40:44 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA875912811 Fri, 03 Oct 97 14:06:51 EST Date: Fri, 03 Oct 97 14:06:51 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9709038759.AA875912811@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: TLC Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Yeah, I got a little freaked when I heard that Patti was dying her hair, no big thing, I've done it, but I stopped, and personally I think she looks absolutely beautiful with grey hair. By the way, Robert Byler and I were in the Peace and Noise room, although Mike showed up late, and the three of us had a nice chat. Who won the game Mike? Ciao, Mary From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 3 10:30:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA01752 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:30:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from minnie.risd.edu (minnie.risd.edu [207.87.132.102]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id KAA01677 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:29:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.190.22.15] by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA29795; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:41:00 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA875912813 Fri, 03 Oct 97 14:06:53 EST Date: Fri, 03 Oct 97 14:06:53 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9709038759.AA875912813@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re[2]: another review Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Robert, last night I downloaded the screensaver with no trouble at all and it expanded itself, as usual. So who knows? Although I did get a warning about it's data fork, but I didn't have time to play around with it, I had to get to sleep. Thanks for the info, though. From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 4 01:39:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id BAA00278 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 01:39:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id BAA00247 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 01:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeus.carroll.com (zeus.carroll.com [199.224.10.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id TAA26887 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 19:09:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [199.224.10.138] [199.224.10.138] by zeus.carroll.com with SMTP (8.8.5/0) id WAA02723; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 22:09:43 -0400 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 22:09:43 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: prod@carroll.com (Elvis) Subject: Re: Re: Patti and Dylan Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ >Is it too early to wonder if there might be a video, for which song, and who >might direct it? I don't suppose anyone has heard anything? > >--Bob Farace I heard there wasn't going to be a video. Who would play it anyway? P. From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 4 01:50:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id BAA00131 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 01:50:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id BAA00322 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 01:40:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.well.com (smtp.well.com [206.80.6.147]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id QAA28796 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 16:23:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [76702.1416] (hdn107-157.hil.compuserve.com [206.175.107.157]) by smtp.well.com (8.8.6/8.8.4) with SMTP id QAA15542 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 16:23:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710032323.QAA15542@smtp.well.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "sonic5" To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 18:24:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #343 Priority: normal In-reply-to: <971003005422_-1363291993@emout08.mail.aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ > i bet Fred is grinning from ear to ear.....somewhere. > > i really dug his vocals on "It Takes Time" with Patti on the "Until the End > of the Word" soundtrack..... actually fred contributed a lot more than just vocals - he wrote the music and most of the lyrics for that particular tune.... s5 From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 4 01:51:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id BAA00165 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 01:51:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id BAA00345 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 01:41:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id OAA29411 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from default (fi.smart.net [205.219.246.223]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA19435 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 16:36:12 -0400 Message-Id: <199710032036.QAA19435@gemini.smart.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Fiona Webster" Organization: http://www.oceanstar.com To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 16:34:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Death Singing Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I just want to say that after the first few times I heard the album, the song that was blowing me away the most was "Death Singing." Those of you who know me know I love darkness, horror, harsh truths, imagery of death... all that stuff. I really thrill to how she describes death's "throat smooth as a lamb" and "yet dry as a branch not snapping." --in the straw-colored light! Fiona From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 4 01:51:48 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id BAA00206 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 01:51:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id BAA00426 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 01:42:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id LAA06622 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from default (fi.smart.net [205.219.246.223]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA15496 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:26:01 -0400 Message-Id: <199710031826.OAA15496@gemini.smart.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Fiona Webster" Organization: http://www.oceanstar.com To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:24:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: henna; Camden reviews Priority: normal In-reply-to: <9709038759.AA875912811@ccsmtp.risd.edu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Mary writes: > Yeah, I got a little freaked when I heard that Patti was dying > her hair, no big thing, I've done it, but I stopped, and > personally I think she looks absolutely beautiful with grey hair. Well, it's not as though she hasn't done it before. She used to dye her hair jet-black in the '70s with black henna: http://www.oceanstar.com/patti/intervus/7509made.htm She says in that interview she bought it in the Arab quarter in Brooklyn. Look at the some of the old photos and videos: that black hue isn't her natural color. On another topic: I'm planning soon to put up a couple of the babel-list Camden reviews at the babelogue site. If you wrote a Camden review and you strongly object to my posting it at the website, please drop me a line. (I always give full credit, copyright, etc.) --naturally blonde, but wish I got more sun, Fiona From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 4 01:52:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id BAA00235 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 01:52:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id BAA00368 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 01:41:32 -0700 (PDT) From: GoRimbaud@aol.com Received: from emout14.mail.aol.com ([198.81.11.40]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id NAA21869 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:14:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id QAA06281 for babel-list@postmodern.com(send); Fri, 3 Oct 1997 16:13:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 16:13:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971003161229_552714120@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com (send) Subject: yet another review Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sept. 30, 1997--Patti Smith releases her seventh album, entitled PEACE AND NOISE (Arista) on September 30th. Smith will also appear on the "Late Show With David Letterman", performing "1959" from the album. The album contains 10 tracks and is released a year after her acclaimed GONE AGAIN album. PEACE AND NOISE was recorded with her key band members Lenny Kaye (guitar), J.D. Daugherty (drums), Tony Shanahan (bass) and Oliver Ray (guitar). The album is very much a band project, consisting of her bandmates from the GONE AGAIN release (listed above), Kaye and Daugherty having worked with her through much of her career. Michael Stipe makes a guest vocal performance on one song of the album, "Last Call." The album has already received glowing reviews, including a four-star review in the new Rolling Stone. Smith's last album, GONE AGAIN, was released after an eight year break from published music. At that same time, she released a book "The Coral Sea" dedicated to her friend, Robert Mapplethorpe. Since then, Smith has put on some powerful live performances, having toured with Bob Dylan, Neil Young, performed at the Tibetan Freedom Concert, the LifeBeat concert and others, as always continuing to show up for causes she believed in. Smith also has three other songs being released between now and Christmas on benefit albums. These include "We Three Kings" on the A&M Christmas album, "About A Boy" on the Tibetan Freedom Concert album and "People Have the Power" on the Neil Young Bridge Concert Album. CONTACT: Cathryn Swan 212/830-2385 KEYWORD: NEW YORK BW1438 SEP 30,1997 From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 4 01:52:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id BAA00256 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 01:52:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id BAA00381 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 01:41:42 -0700 (PDT) From: GoRimbaud@aol.com Received: from emout17.mail.aol.com (emout17.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.43]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id NAA22117 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:16:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id QAA11413 for babel-list@postmodern.com(send); Fri, 3 Oct 1997 16:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 16:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971003161521_470591881@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com (send) Subject: something more re ps Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Album to Feature Live Performance Tracks by Artists Including Sheryl Crow, Jerry Garcia, Jewel, Elvis Costello and Burt Bacharach, Paula Cole, Aretha Franklin, R.E.M. and Van Morrison and Sinead O'Connor BURBANK, Calif., Oct. 1 /PRNewswire/ -- LIVE ON LETTERMAN: MUSIC FROM THE LATE SHOW has been set for release November 18th on Reprise Records. The album features fourteen live tracks culled from performances on the "Late Show With David Letterman." Produced by "Late Show" music segment producer Sheila Rogers and co-produced by Reprise Vice President of Media Relations, Bill Bentley, the album's selections were taken from over one hundred performances that had been initially gathered from Letterman's CBS show. Featured on LIVE ON LETTERMAN: MUSIC FROM THE LATE SHOW are Jerry Garcia & David Grisman ("Friend Of The Devil," Sheryl Crow ("Strong Enough"), Lou Reed ("Sweet Jane"), Dave Matthews Band ("Too Much"), Aretha Franklin ("Think"), Paula Cole ("I Don't Want To Wait"), Elvis Costello & Burt Bacharach ("God Give Me Strength"), Lyle Lovett & Al Green ("Funny How Time Slips Away"), Van Morrison & Sinead O'Connor with the Chieftains ("Have I Told You Lately That I Love You?"), Jewel with Flea ("You Were Meant For Me"), Rod Stewart ("Reason To Believe"), R.E.M. ("Crash With Eyeliner"), Lenny Kravitz ("Are You Gonna Go My Way?"), and Patti Smith ("Who Do You Love?"). "This is a great collection of exciting, interesting musical appearances from our show. I know it's great, I was there when it happened," said Letterman. "These are performances you can't find anywhere else," added Reprise Records President Howie Klein. "When Sheila, Bill and I first started talking about this project, that was the first thing that came to mind -- aside from the fact that I'm a huge Letterman fan." SOURCE Reprise Records CO: Reprise Records ST: California IN: ENT SU: PDT 10/01/97 15:27 EDT http://www.prnewswire.com From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 4 01:53:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id BAA00289 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 01:53:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id BAA00325 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 01:40:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net (iceland-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.28]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id QAA01962 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 16:38:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jbob (1Cust156.tnt4b.chi5.da.uu.net [153.36.138.156]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA08856 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 16:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971003233708.006789c4@earthlink.net> X-Sender: thoslichen@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 18:37:08 -0500 To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: thos lichen Subject: hi hello + comment re: promo Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ hi my new babel-list friends. thank you for filling my mailbox recently. y'all ARE a gathering here, from what i've seen. stories i've read regarding people finding p&n--&ps generally--speaking directly to them in their lives have been especially lovely, and are helping me breathe when such is a chore right now (don't ask--maybe later). this is my first post (im nervous), but i've been lurking for a couple weeks (?) now, have looked at some of the archive, and have been loving ps.g since my teens (31 now). i don't want to start on a grouchy note, but i have been wondering about all the posts lamenting the lack of promotion for p&n. granted, if you can't even find the thing at yr local emporium that's a problem, and i understand this has been happening. But beyond that, i'm not so sure i want to see, say, a big display in the front of tower, like this was some new pearl jam record or something, and i'm not so sure ps wd either. first of all, i'm not sure how much of a chart-topping rock star she wants or needs to be right now. it's not glamorous--it's a twisted, tiring, isolated way to live, and she's seen that more than most. secondly, getting the big push from the boys in the Big High Record Co. Building (even in these days of 'corporate alternative') means giving them a lot of control. i wish it could be different, but then again it's not hard to imagine why the corporate guys are not willing to put much of their marketing capital behind a product without getting (or at least feeling) involved in the production. (Go ahead, Mr. Lurking Arista Rep, tell me i'm wrong.) This means submitting pre-production demos, album sequencing, and final mixes for approval by a bunch of business school dropouts who wdn't know art or rock n roll if it hit them between their beady little eyes. (ok ahem, excuse me, i didn't mean to get so riled up.) these same dorks are also prone to drop by the studio, "to see how things are going." all this can be avoided, but if they leave it up to you to make it, they'll leave it up to you to sell it. which is fine, really. why are we sitting on our asses, waiting for the Man to get the word out? let's do it ourselves. play it for a friend. have a party. point yr speakers out the window and turn it up to 11. ok i'll get off the soapbox now. BTW, i happen to have a 1959 recording of young Allen reading "Footnote to Howl" in an otherworldly Blakean voice not his own ["Howl and Other Poems read by Allen Ginsberg"--Fantasy records 7006]. From Ginsberg's own liner notes re. the reading, and perhaps the poem itself: "Footnote to Howl my seem sick and strange, I've included it because I trust it will be heard in Heaven, though some cruel ear is U.S. may mock. Let it be raw, there is beauty." Since I'm sure this thing is outta print, and I'm not aware of a reissue (anyone?), I'd be willing to record it onto my hard drive and upload it as a .wav file if there's interest. also, someone wd need to tell me where to send it, cuz even if i set a low sample rate, it'd probably be a fairly large file, i'm sure i shdn't just attach such a thing to a regular post. the label doesn't list track times, but eyeballing the groove i'd say it's a couple minutes long or so. any takers? helpers w/ the upload details? hope my gripe didn't bum anyone out. peace, thos.- From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 4 01:53:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id BAA00278 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 01:39:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id BAA00247 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 01:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeus.carroll.com (zeus.carroll.com [199.224.10.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id TAA26887 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 19:09:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [199.224.10.138] [199.224.10.138] by zeus.carroll.com with SMTP (8.8.5/0) id WAA02723; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 22:09:43 -0400 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 22:09:43 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: prod@carroll.com (Elvis) Subject: Re: Re: Patti and Dylan Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ >Is it too early to wonder if there might be a video, for which song, and who >might direct it? I don't suppose anyone has heard anything? > >--Bob Farace I heard there wasn't going to be a video. Who would play it anyway? P. From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 4 01:55:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id BAA00129 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 01:46:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id BAA00337 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 01:41:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from idecnet.com (idecnet.com [194.179.48.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id NAA27110 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:52:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acceso-21.madrid.idecnet.com (acceso-21.madrid.idecnet.com [194.179.104.163]) by idecnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA22514 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 21:40:20 +0100 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 21:40:20 +0100 Message-Id: <199710032040.VAA22514@idecnet.com> X-Sender: naib@idecnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Versión 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: Ivan Arroyo Garcia Subject: Re: Babel Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ At 08:17 3/10/97 -0800, you wrote: >looks like naib has been hangin' out with jeffrey ..... : ) What happened him ? he didn't bought P&N, or is he still searching for "Babel" ? :/ See you. < naib > P.D. Hope that "to hang out" means that i think it means. From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 4 05:24:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA00911 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 05:24:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from madison.interport.net (madison.interport.net [199.184.165.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id FAA00906 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 05:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from #dalynyc.interport.com (ts3port18.port.net [207.38.249.18]) by madison.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA21945 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 08:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3436362F.46EE@interport.net> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 08:27:27 -0400 From: jEdD X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: yet another review References: <971003161229_552714120@emout14.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ GoRimbaud@aol.com wrote: > > NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sept. 30, 1997--Patti Smith releases her seventh > CONTACT: > > Cathryn Swan > > 212/830-2385 > > KEYWORD: NEW YORK > > BW1438 SEP 30,1997 So, who is Catherine Swan? I assume she is the author of this press release, but...is she one of the ARISTA people we're supposed to pester about the lack of promotion? From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 4 07:29:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id HAA01120 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 07:29:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout17.mail.aol.com (emout17.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.43]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id HAA01115 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 07:28:50 -0700 (PDT) From: GoRimbaud@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA23933 for babel-list@postmodern.com(send); Sat, 4 Oct 1997 10:28:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 10:28:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971004102816_-1060631442@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com (send) Subject: PS in Sunday NYTimes Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ an fairly decent ad for p&n appears at the top right corner of page 35 in section 2, the arts & leisure section of the sunday new york times. great placement for an ad, however it is in the classical pages of the section. guess arista is attempting to say that patti smith is a "classic"? the review appears on page 38 of the same section 2, but not in the classical pages. on the same page are reviews of the stones, joe henderson, and bjork. a good-sized photo of patti is almost dead center on the page. the review follows: PATTI SMITH: "PEACE AND NOISE" by Ben Ratliff Patti Smith is obsessed with the idea of impermanence, and the lyrics on "Peace and Noise," her seventh album, portray her in a constant state of mourinng for everything that's finite, whether it's Allen Ginsberg, the Heaven's Gate cult or an anonymous soldier. She gives the impression that when she taps into the mood of the tragic plaint, pop melodies seem like dolled-up junk to her by comparison; she wants to create songs as plain as rocks, as permanent as ritual chants. Which means that the monochromatic "Peace and Noise" won't win Ms. Smith a lot of new fans. As played by her regular quartet (the only guest is Michael Stipe, who unobtrusively harmonizes on "Last Call"), the songs, most written by Ms. Smith with her bandmates Lenny Kaye and Olliver Ray, sound like sea shanties, work songs or prayers. She strengthens that connection on "Waiting Underground" by sampling a field recording of an Alabama prayer meeting. It lurks underneath the sound of her band slogging through the two chords that anchor the song; Ms. Smith sings, "There by the ridge / there'll be a gathering / beneath the pilgrim moon / where the river thunders." She's speaking the language of timelessness. As a poet, her guiding force is still the spontaneous, Buddhist-American vision of the beatniks, and she needs you to know that: in "Spell," she reads Ginsberg's footnote-poem to "Howl," declaring everything holy. And the 10-minute "Memento Mori," a collective improvisation (including the lyrics) evoking a helicopter accident during the Vietnam War, takes her back to her punk roots, making up poetry over brambles of electric guitars. This is the closest the album gets to "noise," but it's tame, unadventurous stuff. Aside from "Death Singing," powerfully sung in her dire, incantatory style, "Blue Poles" is the best song on the album. (The title is the name of a painting by Jackson Pollock, another of her artistic touchstones.) The song describes a Depression era dust-bowl family moving west, but it equally addresses the artist's inclination to see everything as color, shape and texture -- the lyrics focus on a "canvas sky," dresses made by hand, the look of the sun, Ms. Smith is an esthetician as much as a storyteller and social commentator, and this song gets it all in. --- --- --- from the Sunday New York Times my best, phillip From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 4 09:30:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id JAA01279 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 09:30:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from spacelab.net (mta@spacelab.net [206.42.130.4]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id JAA01271 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 09:29:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.42.131.93] by spacelab.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11397) with SMTP id AAA28015 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 12:29:34 -0400 Subject: henna Date: Sat, 4 Oct 97 11:32:33 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "Alison Armstrong" To: "babel-list@postmodern.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <19971004162932.AAA28015@[206.42.131.93]> Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I had known about Patti and the black henna but was wondering what her natural hair color was. From early photos I've seen , such as her prom picture in PHTP, I'm suspecting it's some shade of dark brown, but since most of the early photos I've seen of her are in black and white, it's hard to tell. I've noticed that even back in the 70's her hair sometimes looked darker than at other times. For instance, in the PSG live at Germany video clip included in the ARTE documentary, her hair looked lighter, with a tinge of red. Recently, when i've seen her perform, her hair either looked gray or else more brownish. I thought maybe it was the lighting that made her hair appear less gray sometimes than others. In a 1988 magazine interview i read--I think maybe it was from "The Music Paper", which might be up at Babelogue, she said that she sometimes used soy sauce to color her hair. I've experimented with black henna before and had mixed results. For whose who have never tried it, you take the greenish-gray powder (which I got at a health food store) and mix it with water. You can also add liquid coffee (I don't know how dry coffee would work) to deepen the color. Instructions on the packet I used noted that you have to be very careful what kind of bowl and utensils you use; you can't use metal. And of course, you have to be very careful not go get it into your eyes. I got some into my eyes once and it felt like some big stinging speck of sand. Anyway, after you mix it up and apply it to your hair, you have to let it set for awhile , if i remember correctly, about 45 minutes, and use a blow-dryer. (Instructions may vary.) After this, you can rinse your hair. One weird thing about the particular henna I used, and I'm not sure if all henna is like this--when I washed my hair for the first few times afterwards the henna left blue streaks down my neck. I could wash them off, but it was kind of a nuisance. On me (I have medium brown hair), the henna never really looked black, just sort of charcoal , and the color only seemed to last a couple of weeks. I wonder how Patti got the henna to look so nice on her hair when she used it in the 70's. Alison . From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 4 09:40:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id JAA01328 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 09:40:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout18.mail.aol.com (emout18.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id JAA01323 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 09:40:42 -0700 (PDT) From: TMPJAccas@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout18.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA13543 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 12:40:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 12:40:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971004123954_1308733775@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: PS in Sunday NYTimes Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ parts of that review make it sound like she's some kind of soft chant music or something...oh well ~~mike From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 4 10:37:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA01446 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 10:37:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mailsorter-101.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.91]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id KAA01441 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 10:37:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-122.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.90]) by mailsorter-101.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id KAA18433; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 10:37:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/mt.graham.14Aug97) id KAA24637; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 10:37:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710041737.KAA24637@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> From: DBaer@webtv.net (David Baer) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 13:37:20 -0400 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: PS in NYTimes & BJORK (with a special nod to THOS LICHEN) Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Phillip, I just read the Sunday NY Times review, thanks for pointing it out. Just had to mention one thing, though. As you said, also reviewed on the same page is Bjork's new album "Homogenic". I'm puzzled by how completely this brilliant music has been ignored by everyone here. There's some fine poetry there, too (albeit minimalist). So please everyone, read the Bjork review too, it's right after the P&N review. And try to check out the album, you won't be disappointed! By the way THOS LICHEN, when I read your posting I put down my keyboard and applauded. What is this obsession about mass-promotion that goes on here, anyway? If I'd never heard of Patti before, I doubt that traditional entertainment industry marketing and promotion would attract me to her at all. Actually, it probably would be more likely to repel me! -David. From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 4 10:39:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA01485 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 10:39:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id KAA01480 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 10:39:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from default (fi.smart.net [205.219.246.223]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA07409 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 13:40:34 -0400 Message-Id: <199710041740.NAA07409@gemini.smart.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Fiona Webster" Organization: http://www.oceanstar.com To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 13:38:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: yet another review Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3436362F.46EE@interport.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Phillip asks: > > Cathryn Swan > > > > 212/830-2385 > > > > KEYWORD: NEW YORK > > So, who is Catherine Swan? I assume she is the author of this press > release, but...is she one of the ARISTA people we're supposed to pester > about the lack of promotion? She definitely works for Arista, in stuff related to Patti, but I'm not sure how much she has to do with promo. It couldn't hurt to pester her! --Fiona From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 4 12:02:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA01612 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 12:02:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from access.netaxs.com (mail@access.netaxs.com [207.8.186.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id MAA01607 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 12:02:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix3.netaxs.com (mail@unix3.netaxs.com [207.8.186.5]) by access.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA13843 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 15:02:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Anthony J. Rzepela" Received: (from rzepelaa@localhost) by unix3.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA27730 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 15:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710041902.PAA27730@unix3.netaxs.com> Subject: Re: Re: Patti and Dylan To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 15:02:28 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "Elvis" at Oct 3, 97 10:09:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Elvis quoted then wroted: > >Is it too early to wonder if there might be a video, for which song, and who > >might direct it? I don't suppose anyone has heard anything? > > I heard there wasn't going to be a video. Who would play it anyway? FYI.... I bought the straight jewel-box version, and the outside had a black-and-white "Featuring the songs..." sticker (I love those...) saying: the new album features "1959" "don't say nothing" and "dead city" 07822-18986 - 2/4 From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 4 12:12:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA01657 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 12:12:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from access.netaxs.com (mail@access.netaxs.com [207.8.186.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id MAA01652 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 12:12:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix3.netaxs.com (mail@unix3.netaxs.com [207.8.186.5]) by access.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14541 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 15:12:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Anthony J. Rzepela" Received: (from rzepelaa@localhost) by unix3.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA27795 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 15:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710041912.PAA27795@unix3.netaxs.com> Subject: Re: PS in NYTimes & BJORK (with a special nod to THOS LICHEN) To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 15:12:24 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199710041737.KAA24637@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> from "David Baer" at Oct 4, 97 01:37:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ David Baer wrote: > By the way THOS LICHEN, when I read your posting I put down my keyboard > and applauded. What is this obsession about mass-promotion that goes on > here, anyway? I'd hardly call it an "obsession". The recording industry dumps millions into "promoting" releases with enough attention, already. So I think people are bristling (myself included) over questions of fairness. The idea being, I suppose, that they should throw a little promotional muscle behind the releases that need it most. I really don't think this disc will go Top-40, so there may be a whole different approach that should probably be taken, and not being a marketing major, I don't know what that might entail, BUT.... minimal responsibilities (like making sure the product is delivered and IN STORES on time) seem to have been missed. Certainly, timely delivery does not come under the category of recoupable costs? Distribution is Arista's responsibility, yes? I don't know who has to pay for the hype: it may be the artist (PS) in this case... > If I'd never heard of Patti before, I doubt that > traditional entertainment industry marketing and promotion would attract > me to her at all. Actually, it probably would be more likely to repel > me! I could live with a life-sized free-standing display at the local Tower. :-) ++Tony Rzepela (rzepelaa@netaxs.com) From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 4 12:40:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA01708 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 12:40:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id MAA01703 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 12:40:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA13654 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 12:40:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA22694 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 12:36:31 -0700 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 12:36:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: PS in NYTimes & BJORK (with a special nod to THOS LICHEN) In-Reply-To: <199710041912.PAA27795@unix3.netaxs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I agree,,, life size cut outs are great! I used to have a Jaclyn Smith one but traded it for Residents stuff... well worth the trade since she waasnt my fav. angel anyway. A patti cut out would be great. I thought the NY Times articcel was fair...but disagree with the Blue Poles statement. I like it ok, but its not the best thing on the album. Got more postcards from Arista in the mail today, and found amny free ones at the record store. By the way the tape of Peace and Noise has a photo by Oliver that is not in the CD package....its of a church or something...a shrine with croos and rubble... cool. robert i think Bjork is cool....in a Keeblerian type of way. i liked the tape of her on Hard Copy attacking a camera man in the airport. fierce!!! From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 4 12:48:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA01769 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 12:48:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout14.mail.aol.com (emout14.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.40]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id MAA01764 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 12:48:08 -0700 (PDT) From: GoRimbaud@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA29452 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 15:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 15:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971004154734_1308756751@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: oliver ray photo Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ In a message dated 97-10-04 15:40:59 EDT, robert byler writ: << By the way the tape of Peace and Noise has a photo by Oliver that is not in the CD package....its of a church or something...a shrine with croos and rubble... cool. >> this is the photo that's on the flip side of the p&n poster. the photo also graces the p&n booklet for the cd packaged inside a cardboard slipcase. phillip From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 4 12:51:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA01808 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 12:51:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout13.mail.aol.com (emout13.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.39]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id MAA01803 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 12:51:21 -0700 (PDT) From: GoRimbaud@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA04546 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 15:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 15:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971004155029_1720865296@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: welcome thos lichen Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ In a message dated 97-10-04 04:57:19 EDT, thos lichen writ: << why are we sitting on our asses, waiting for the Man to get the word out? let's do it ourselves. play it for a friend. have a party. point yr speakers out the window and turn it up to 11. >> ....thus promotion via WORD OF MOUTH..... still not pleased re p&n promotion phillip From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 4 14:20:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id OAA01958 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 14:20:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mailsorter-101.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.91]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id OAA01948 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 14:20:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-121.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.89]) by mailsorter-101.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id OAA09678; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 14:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/mt.graham.14Aug97) id OAA08697; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 14:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710042120.OAA08697@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> From: DBaer@webtv.net (David Baer) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 17:20:02 -0400 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: welcome thos lichen Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Look at it this way, if this album is so poorly promoted, how come we all know about it? Most of my friends couldn't care less (too bad for them, of course) but they know about it too, via me. So I'm going out now,and I'm gonna have that CD playing in my car with the volume cranked-up real loud, windows open. Incidentally, did it ever occur to anyone that the kind of publicity that some of you are pining for ultimately translates to higher prices for the consumer? "The less room you give me, the more space I've got." - Bjork From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 4 14:20:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id OAA01959 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 14:20:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id OAA01949 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 14:20:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA11891 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 14:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA00661 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 14:15:48 -0700 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 14:15:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: oliver ray photo In-Reply-To: <971004154734_1308756751@emout14.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ hum...i got the cd without the slipcase and it didnt have the phot of the cross/church...well i think thats what your saying...that the one with the slip cover has it but without doesnt? strange. rober On Sat, 4 Oct 1997 GoRimbaud@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 97-10-04 15:40:59 EDT, robert byler writ: > > << By the way the tape of Peace and Noise has a photo by Oliver that is not > in the CD package....its of a church or something...a shrine with croos and > rubble... cool. >> > > this is the photo that's on the flip side of the p&n poster. the photo also > graces the p&n booklet for the cd packaged inside a cardboard slipcase. > > phillip > From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 4 15:49:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id PAA00157 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 15:49:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id PAA00139 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 15:49:11 -0700 (PDT) From: TMPJAccas@aol.com Received: from emout19.mail.aol.com (emout19.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.45]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id OAA08114 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 14:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout19.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id RAA16023 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 17:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 17:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971004175231_1957679514@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: welcome thos lichen Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ In a message dated 97-10-04 17:21:20 EDT, you write: << Incidentally, did it ever occur to anyone that the kind of publicity that some of you are pining for ultimately translates to higher prices for the consumer? >> I paid 14.00 for P&N but only 12.00 for the more publicised Dylan album... ~~Mike From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 4 15:49:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id PAA00158 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 15:49:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id PAA00137 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 15:49:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.12]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id PAA08988 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 15:29:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA30994 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 15:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA05805 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 15:28:09 -0700 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 15:28:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: welcome thos lichen In-Reply-To: <199710042120.OAA08697@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ yea i played it for one of my friends...his response was that she sounds so desperate... i replied that someone needs to....everyone cant be a spice girl. another response from a co-worker... shes just a female bob dylan huh? robert who uses nice toxic dye on his hair. From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 4 15:49:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id PAA00171 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 15:49:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id PAA00143 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 15:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from access.netaxs.com (access.netaxs.com [207.8.186.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id OAA08215 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 14:55:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix3.netaxs.com (mail@unix3.netaxs.com [207.8.186.5]) by access.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA28425 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 17:55:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Anthony J. Rzepela" Received: (from rzepelaa@localhost) by unix3.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA29010 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 17:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710042155.RAA29010@unix3.netaxs.com> Subject: Re: welcome thos lichen To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 17:55:45 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199710042120.OAA08697@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> from "David Baer" at Oct 4, 97 05:20:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ David Baer wrote: > Incidentally, did it ever occur to > anyone that the kind of publicity that some of you are pining for > ultimately translates to higher prices for the consumer? They charge what they can get. I don't pay any less for promotion-free CDs than I do for heavily hyped ones. (In fact, new and heavily hyped ones end up being cheaper: featured as "loss leaders" to get folks in stores.... ) From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 4 15:49:48 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id PAA00172 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 15:49:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id PAA00148 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 15:49:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host502.corbis.com (master.corbis.com [205.142.245.246]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id OAA08035 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 14:49:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exchange.corbis.com (exchange.corbis.com [205.142.244.28]) by host502.corbis.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA09348 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 14:55:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by exchange.corbis.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.57) id <01BCD0D3.DFEB7C00@exchange.corbis.com>; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 14:43:27 -0700 Message-ID: From: Tom Wear To: "'babel list - post'" Subject: Peace & Noise in Seattle Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 14:43:26 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.57 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ For any Babelistas in Seattle, and I think there are a couple at least, there will be a CD release / listening party at Paragon Bar and Grill 2125 Queen Anne N Seattle, WA 98109 (206) 283-4548 This coming Thursday the 9th from 6 to 8 PM. According to the radio commercial I heard, they will also be doing the lithograph giveaway. Tom From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 4 15:55:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id PAA00301 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 15:55:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id PAA00295 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 15:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip150.an3-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.14.150]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA24146 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 18:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 18:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971004185029.3c3f1f56@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: eltyger@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" Subject: Re:[RB] CD Pkging? Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 1833 EDT // Sat 4 Oct 97 // BklnNYC I, too, got the Slip-Case CD. The photo Is on the Cover of the Insert Booklet. If You didn't get the Booklet, You're Missing a Lot! If You got the CD w/o the SlipCase, what Pkging, Insert, Cover, etc *Did* You get??? *************************************************************** >Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 14:15:48 -0700 (PDT) >From: Robert Byler >To: babel-list@postmodern.com >Subject: Re: oliver ray photo ... >hum...i got the cd without the slipcase and it didnt have the >phot of the cross/church...well i think thats what your >saying...that the one with the slip cover has it but without >doesnt? strange. > >rober > >On Sat, 4 Oct 1997 GoRimbaud@aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 97-10-04 15:40:59 EDT, robert byler >> writ: >> >> << By the way the tape of Peace and Noise has a photo by >> Oliver that is not in the CD package....its of a church or >> something...a shrine with croos and >> rubble... cool. >> >> >> this is the photo that's on the flip side of the p&n >> poster. the photo also graces the p&n booklet for the cd >> packaged inside a cardboard slipcase. >> >> phillip *************************************************************** --// eLTyger --// /*RESPECT FOR THE ELECTRON(S)*/ --// /*SACRED LIGHTNING/ DANCE THE WORLD*/ From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 4 16:21:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id QAA00378 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 16:21:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from madison.interport.net (madison.interport.net [199.184.165.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id QAA00373 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 16:21:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from #dalynyc.interport.com (ts3port35.port.net [207.38.249.35]) by madison.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA27509 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 19:21:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3436D01B.21B5@interport.net> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 19:24:11 -0400 From: jEdD X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: PS in NYTimes & BJORK (with a special nod to THOS LICHEN) References: <199710041912.PAA27795@unix3.netaxs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Anthony J. Rzepela wrote: > > David Baer wrote: > > > By the way THOS LICHEN, when I read your posting I put down my keyboard > > and applauded. What is this obsession about mass-promotion that goes on > > here, anyway? > > I'd hardly call it an "obsession". The recording industry > dumps millions into "promoting" releases with enough attention, > already. So I think people are bristling (myself included) > over questions of fairness. The idea being, I suppose, > that they should throw a little promotional muscle behind > the releases that need it most. > And another thing...my major concern with her promotion (and, therefore, her record sales) is making sure she has a record contract. Not only that: money talks. If she sells records she is MORE likely to retain artistic control. > I could live with a life-sized free-standing > display at the local Tower. :-) > Hehehe. Actually, at my local Tower (W 4th Street in NYC), the outside of the store is lined with huge lighted posters of album covers. I guess they are about five or six feet square (maybe a bit smaller...I'm not good at judging these things). Well, Gone Again was there for about a year...and now they've included Peace and Noise. Yes! From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 4 16:40:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id QAA00429 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 16:40:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id QAA00424 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 16:40:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA16740 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 16:40:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA11211 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 16:39:12 -0700 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 16:39:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re:[RB] CD Pkging? In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19971004185029.3c3f1f56@pop.pipeline.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ well...the cover of the booklet is the cover of the album.... i quess thats the difference of the two. the one with the slipcover has the album cover on it and the oliver ray photo as the cover to the booklet. the cd without the slipcover has the album cover(patti on the bed) as the cover to the booklet. strange these little things...... robert From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 4 18:36:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id SAA00264 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 18:36:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from sierra.onr.com (sierra.onr.com [199.1.90.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id SAA00259 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 18:35:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from me-me-me.onr.com ([207.200.34.178]) by sierra.onr.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA11937 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 20:36:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971004203742.0068b644@popserver.panix.com> X-Sender: neslon@popserver.panix.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 20:37:42 -0500 To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: Wilson Smith Subject: Re: Peace & Noise in Seattle In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=====_Eudora-PGP-Plugin18789==_"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; PGPFormat="PGPMIME-signed" Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ --=====_Eudora-PGP-Plugin18789==_ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:43 PM 10/4/97 -0700, Tom Wear wrote: >For any Babelistas in Seattle, and I think there are a couple at least, >there will be a CD release / listening party at > >Paragon Bar and Grill >2125 Queen Anne N >Seattle, WA 98109 >(206) 283-4548 > >This coming Thursday the 9th from 6 to 8 PM. According to the radio >commercial I heard, they will also be doing the lithograph giveaway. BTW, these release parties aren't just giving away lithographs -- the one here also gave away a second-place PAtti Smith "Masters" box (which I won, apparently: a couple of days after the party here I got a fed ex with that and some other goodies inside it -- cool!)... So, even more reason to keep your eyes peeled for one in your area and to try to show up -- your chances of winning are really good. W --=====_Eudora-PGP-Plugin18789==_ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 MessageID: nDCckicC0Vl89SFzkqD4aKoPSSQZLvT8 iQA/AwUBNDbvbsHShe0hHQhTEQK7bgCgswNK+P3E8sa0ndY/0otK2NNTpvYAn1D3 3PIWieg4W2o6qBB7uo4Jn7Zn =WHOW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=====_Eudora-PGP-Plugin18789==_-- From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 4 18:41:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id SAA00323 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 18:41:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from postmodern.com (foucault.postmodern.com [198.102.244.52]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id SAA00298; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 18:40:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3436F035.8360938F@postmodern.com> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 18:42:26 -0700 From: "Michael C. Berch" Organization: Postmodern Consulting, California USA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jitr@postmodern.com, babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: [ADMIN - IMPORTANT] List outage 6-7 October Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ As you have noticed, list service from here has been intermittent over the last two days. The server machine appears not to be able to stay up more than anywhere from a few minutes to a few hours -- if I am here I can just push the reset button and reboot it, but if I'm not it has to wait until I return. I have made arrangements for it to go to the repair shop on Monday; they claim they can diagnose/fix it in 24 hours or so; unfortunately postmodern.com will be off the air most of Monday and possibly most of Tuesday. I believe the nightly backups are working so there should be no data or archive lossage. If the machine is not economically repairable I'll just replace it, which is not that big a deal, but there will be configuration and setup time. I'll post updates when I can. When postmodern.com is off the air I can be reached at mcb@greatcircle.com . Regards to all, -- Michael C. Berch mcb@postmodern.com / mcb@greatcircle.com From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 4 18:51:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id SAA00397 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 18:51:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout09.mail.aol.com (emout09.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.24]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id SAA00392 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 18:51:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Ethiopium@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA27413 for babel@postmodern.com; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 21:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 21:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971004215036_1857377191@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: babel@postmodern.com Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #346 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Hi Thos, glad you posted. Yeah, I agree that Patti's status as an industry outsider is what I find appealing. She's REALLY alternative. It's gets sooo tiring hearing the "alternative" top 40.... Don't know what's wrong Thos, but things pass. I had a really bad year this past year and it's beginning to brighten up. Hope listening to Patti,or whoever, brings you some peace. Everything is holy. Naib --- hangin' out with means to spend time with. : ) ciao ciao, Mary From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 4 21:10:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id VAA00593 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 21:10:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mail.virtuallibrarian.com ([206.20.176.4]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id VAA00588 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 21:10:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [169.132.51.86] by mail.virtuallibrarian.com (SMTPD32-3.03) id A39B1C210110; Sun, 05 Oct 1997 00:12:11 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971005000741.006dc0cc@mail.virtuallibrarian.com> X-Sender: cyn@mail.virtuallibrarian.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 00:07:41 -0400 To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: Cyn Subject: Next event? In-Reply-To: <199710032036.QAA19435@gemini.smart.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Hi, I'm brand new to the list, but was brought up on Patti. I still have my mom's 8-Track of Horses. This is a quick question. Is she playing anywhere on the East Coast in the near future? (yea.. I missed all the recent events) Thanks. Cyn mailto:cyn@virtuallibrarian.com ******ICQ# 1112086****** http://www.virtuallibrarian.com/ From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 4 23:31:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id XAA00773 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 23:31:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from host.ld.centuryinter.net (www.ld.centuryinter.net [206.65.161.250]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id XAA00768 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 23:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppp0011.ms.centuryinter.net by host.ld.centuryinter.net; (5.65/1.1.8.2/16Aug95-0520PM) id AA28434; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 02:31:40 -0400 Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 02:31:40 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971005013108.08b75678@mail.wi.centuryinter.net> X-Sender: cen00746@mail.wi.centuryinter.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel@postmodern.com From: Mike Rice Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #346 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I heard the Fresh Air interview on Friday night from Minnesota Public Radio. Patti sang a short little riff of an old pre-rock era standard, the name of which I cannot remember. I like those songs too, I'm so sick of everything produced today. Patti's rendition of the standard was fine. Mike Rice From babel-list-owner Sun Oct 5 07:43:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id HAA03267 for babel-list-outgoing; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 07:43:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id HAA03262 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 07:43:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id KAA17148; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 10:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA00518; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 10:42:52 -0400 Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 10:42:52 -0400 From: ingria@world.std.com (Robert J Ingria) Message-Id: <199710051442.AA00518@world.std.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #346 Cc: ingria@world.std.com Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ >Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 02:31:40 -0400 >Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971005013108.08b75678@mail.wi.centuryinter.net> >From: Mike Rice > >I heard the Fresh Air interview on Friday night >from Minnesota Public Radio. Patti sang a short >little riff of an old pre-rock era standard, the >name of which I cannot remember. I like those >songs too, I'm so sick of everything produced >today. Patti's rendition of the standard was >fine. It was ``Slow Boat to China''. Patti had said that when she was singing around the house, she sang old standards, not rock or her own songs, stuff like ``Slow Boat to China''. Terri Gross, the interviewer, said that she loved that song and asked if Patti would sing it. Patti said her voice wasn't all that great that day, but did sing a verse or two. Her rendition had a smoky, lounge-singer feel to it. -30- Bob Ingria From babel-list-owner Sun Oct 5 08:55:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id IAA03447 for babel-list-outgoing; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 08:55:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from madison.interport.net (madison.interport.net [199.184.165.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id IAA03442 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 08:55:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from #dalynyc.interport.com (ts3port2.port.net [207.38.249.2]) by madison.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA26028 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 11:55:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3437B925.4F78@interport.net> Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 11:58:29 -0400 From: jEdD X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: P&N Chords Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Anybody figure out the chords to any P & N songs yet? Not sure, I'm a novice, but I think Death Singing is: C and A (or Am ?) in the verse, then C B C B C B C B A for the "death singing" part. Whirl Away: c# and B, than G#? I'd love some help with Blue Poles... From babel-list-owner Sun Oct 5 14:19:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id OAA04102 for babel-list-outgoing; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 14:19:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from idecnet.com (root@idecnet.com [194.179.48.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id OAA04097 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 14:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acceso-16.madrid.idecnet.com (acceso-16.madrid.idecnet.com [194.179.104.152]) by idecnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA32405 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 22:19:51 +0100 Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 22:19:51 +0100 Message-Id: <199710052119.WAA32405@idecnet.com> X-Sender: naib@idecnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Versión 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: Ivan Arroyo Garcia Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #346 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ At 21:50 4/10/97 -0400, you wrote: >Naib --- hangin' out with means to spend time with. : ) Thanks Mary, i was wrong :D. See you. < naib > From babel-list-owner Sun Oct 5 14:32:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id OAA04149 for babel-list-outgoing; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 14:32:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from students (students.su.se [130.237.89.5]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id OAA04144 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 14:32:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sigmund by students (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA00933; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 23:32:00 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971005233212.00709b44@students.su.se> X-Sender: m69lb35e@students.su.se (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 23:32:12 +0100 To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: Lars Brusell Subject: Re: P&N chords Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ >Anybody figure out the chords to any P & N songs yet? Unfortunately, I'm a novice as well, and therefore can not help with any chords for the new album. As you may know there are a few PS songs with chord notations up on "the online guitar archive" (OLGA), that can be found at: http://www.harmony-central.com under "S". But there are just a few: Dancing Barefoot, Because the Night, RnR Nigger last I looked... (lots of other good stuff, though - they have a huge sortiment). And the books with sheet music are really hard to find. I would love to get my hands on any PS chords or tabs, and I have nagged about this before - but wouldn't it be a pretty neat addition to the babel site?? A page with guitar chords? I even think somebody offered to help with this a long time ago on this list... Maybe something to work on? I couldn't help much, though - being just that - a novice, without the books. Any tips on getting hold of those books would be greatly appreciated. Here in Stockholm it has proved to be impossible... LARS. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Lars Brusell m69lb35e@students.su.se http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/2286 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From babel-list-owner Sun Oct 5 16:22:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id QAA04284 for babel-list-outgoing; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 16:22:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from spacelab.net (mta@spacelab.net [206.42.130.4]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id QAA04279 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 16:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.42.131.199] by spacelab.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11397) with SMTP id AAA342 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 19:21:50 -0400 Subject: promotion Date: Sun, 5 Oct 97 18:24:49 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "Alison Armstrong" To: "babel-list@postmodern.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <19971005232148.AAA342@[206.42.131.199]> Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ ubject: promotion Sent: 10/5/97 9:28 AM To: babel-list@postmodern.com, babel-list@postmodern.com I'm curious how well Arista promoted Patti's work in the 70's. What were its promotional strategies like then? Since, as I understand it, Patti has always maintained a great deal of artistic autonomy over her work, I don't think the control issue is a major factor why Arista is doing a rather lousy job of promoting Peace and Noise. And since Patti has always defied trends and was continually evolving her own style, why does Arista suddenly seem unsupportive of Patti's work? I wonder if Patti's entirely justifiable bashing of MTV at Randall's Island has contributed to Arista's reluctance to promote P&N. I suspect that if MTV had been around in the 70's and Patti had felt the same way about it then, her earlier works would have been just as neglected by Arista is P&N is now. It's depressing that a concept with so much promise--the merging of music and film, both very associative, visceral arts, was stripped by MTV of much of its creative potential. What Patti was saying about the corruption of FM radio in the 70's, the lack of free speech and the commercialization, I feel is even more true of MTV. As Robert pointed out in his post regarding his friend's comment that Patti sounded "so desperate," "someone needs to." Desperate voices need to be heard; there's too much triviality. And even though P&N may seem desperate at times, it is not about hopelessness or giving up; it's about urgency of purpose and decisiveness. Alison From babel-list-owner Sun Oct 5 17:30:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id RAA04425 for babel-list-outgoing; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 17:30:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from m3.boston.juno.com (m3.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.198]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id RAA04420 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 17:29:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from toddmcgovern@juno.com) by m3.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id UkV17445; Sun, 05 Oct 1997 20:28:52 EDT To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 20:28:36 -0400 Subject: side by side Message-ID: <19971005.204239.9238.0.toddmcgovern@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-5,9-12 From: toddmcgovern@juno.com (Todd S McGovern) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ has anybody listened to dylan's Time Out of Mind and patti's Peace and Noise back-to-back? any impressions? could be an interesting thread. i've been accused of ranking slash comparing things..which of course isn't always good. perhaps quick short compare and contrasting thoughts or images might be good. all i got to say initially is that the dylan cd is getting more air-time in my apartment. seems (on the surface at least) more fun, more surprising, and NEW...while peace and noise seems almost like gone again b-sides. but again, this is just an initial impression? anybody care to add to this? From babel-list-owner Sun Oct 5 19:00:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id TAA04592 for babel-list-outgoing; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 19:00:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id TAA04587 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 19:00:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA00231 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 19:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA10143 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 18:55:29 -0700 Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 18:55:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: side by side In-Reply-To: <19971005.204239.9238.0.toddmcgovern@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ my impression is Gone Again was inside looking in and Peace and Noise is inside looking out. i agree allison that desperate voices need to be heard, though I dont really think of her voice as desperate like my friend did. Maybe its some of the songs are out of a type of desperation, and its so refreshing to hear those words. I keep thinking about what Joni Mitchell said about how people stopped buying her records as soon as she stoppped singing about herself. Im not sure what of that applies to Patti-maybe nothing. But it does seem if anyone records music with profound lyrics of insight it is not well received anymore(by the masses that is). robert From babel-list-owner Sun Oct 5 21:37:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id VAA04836 for babel-list-outgoing; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 21:37:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout12.mail.aol.com (emout12.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.38]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id VAA04831 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 21:37:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Bluemuse@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id AAA15931 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 00:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 00:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971006003505_578092707@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: promotion Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Alison wrote: >And since Patti has >always defied trends and was continually evolving her own style, why does >Arista suddenly seem unsupportive of Patti's work? I get the feeling that Patti has always had a sort of love/hate relationship with Arista. She makes a comment on the To The Ones She Loves bootleg from '78 to the effect that she loves Clive Davis, but he can be a pain in the ass sometimes. (I don't remember the exact wording, and I don't feel like checking right now.) So I don't really think it's anything new. I was slow to form an opinion on P&N without giving it a few listens, but it's growing on me. It seems to me to be a sort of slow, intense burn rather than an open flame, sort of a constrained intensity. None of that manic energy like 25th Floor or R&RN, but energy nonetheless. I think Memento Mori is one of my favorite cuts, but Radio Ethiopia is my favorite PS album, so it's not surprising that I would favor the improvisational tune on the record. I also find Blue Poles popping into my head at times. --Bob Farace From babel-list-owner Sun Oct 5 23:21:10 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id XAA05060 for babel-list-outgoing; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 23:21:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout02.mail.aol.com (emout02.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.93]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id XAA05055 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 23:21:01 -0700 (PDT) From: LStierman@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout02.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id CAA26539 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 02:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 02:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971006022028_522496303@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Dancing to Spell Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Irena wrote: > As far as I'm concerned, strange as it may sound, Spell is a dance >song, and I shall inflict it along w/others on my Fri. nite dance ... I was moved the same way. Though too weak to move much these days, I sat on the floor last night and danced to it with Shiva arms... Liz From babel-list-owner Mon Oct 6 05:52:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA05742 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 05:52:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from berzerk.rs.itd.umich.edu (root@berzerk.rs.itd.umich.edu [141.211.63.17]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id FAA05737 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 05:52:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from galaxian.rs.itd.umich.edu by berzerk.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.6/3.0-mailhub) with ESMTP id IAA19067; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 08:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (birena@localhost) by galaxian.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.6/4.0-client) with SMTP id IAA11425 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 08:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 08:52:06 -0400 (EDT) From: barbara nagler X-Sender: birena@galaxian.rs.itd.umich.edu To: babel-list@postmodern.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I had an opportunity to listen to P&N on a sound system balanced more toward bass the other day-- I'd forgotten that I'd been turning mine down because someone lived downstairs from me and had complained once. I realized that, though I loved the whole thing, I'd been getting an especial "rush" from the ones with darker bass tones, but now that I've heard it on something set to be more balanced, I have really no favorites any more. My friend threatened to steal the CD from me (but will go out and buy it), and was wiping sweat from his brow, I don't know how much literal and how much imaginary but anyway it was eloquent. "Death Singing"-- I had an image of Edith Piaf singing it. Does that sound off the mark? It's been a long time since I've listened to anything by her but that sprang to mind. Irena From babel-list-owner Mon Oct 6 08:03:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id IAA05992 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 08:03:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from server3.syd.mail.ozemail.net (server3.syd.mail.ozemail.net [203.108.7.41]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id IAA05987 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 08:03:13 -0700 (PDT) From: imail@thei.aust.com Received: from oznet02.ozemail.com.au (oznet02.ozemail.com.au [203.2.192.124]) by server3.syd.mail.ozemail.net (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA26072 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 01:02:32 +1000 (EST) Received: from [203.22.157.35] (slsyd7p19.ozemail.com.au [203.22.157.35]) by oznet02.ozemail.com.au (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA05746 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 01:02:29 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19971005.204239.9238.0.toddmcgovern@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 00:59:28 +1000 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: side by side Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Todd wrote: all i got to say initially is that the dylan cd is getting more air-time >in my apartment. seems (on the surface at least) more fun, more >surprising, and NEW...while peace and noise seems almost like gone again >b-sides. but again, this is just an initial impression? Have to say here at THE iZINE we agree 100%. Much as we adore Patti, P&N isn't a masterpiece - in fact some of it is quite ordinary and sounds quite rushed. The highs are very high but the lows are somewhat tame and flat. Dylan ... well like Patti, I've loved the man since way, way, back (truth be known nearly a decade longer than Patti - that's showing my age) but he hasn't recorded a half way worthwhile album since Blood On the Tracks. Until now. Time Out Of Mind is being hailed as his best set in 20 years and that's a fact. This is the Bob we grew up on: The man has discovered the words, the feel, the sound and the songs again. Time Out Of Mind is a stone cold masterpiece, the Dylan I remember and love. Dylan reborn in some primordial oozy bluesy swamp where the electricity flashes in a vast atmosphere where that famous 'thin, wild mercury' sound hangs and moves, a creature of brilliant emotion, of broken romance and dreams, of tragedy and the will to love. Play 'Gone Again' and 'Time Out Of Mind' back to back and then you've got a classic double. Cheers, Mike Gee THe iZINE http://www.thei.aust.com From babel-list-owner Mon Oct 6 10:08:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA06247 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:08:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from always.got.net (root@always.got.net [207.167.88.4]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id KAA06242 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:08:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Louie (stretch.got.net [207.167.93.41]) by always.got.net (8.8.6/8.8.6/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id KAA25406 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:11:39 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:11:39 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19971006100824.109f2f9c@mail.got.net> X-Sender: stretch@mail.got.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: Jeff Riedle Subject: Re:Fresh Air Interview Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I'm in California and missed the Fresh Air Interview. Would someone who taped it like to trade me a copy? I could give you a blank tape, a 60 or 90 minute tape with live Patti Smith music, or something else. Please e-mail me privately at . Thanks. Stretch From babel-list-owner Mon Oct 6 10:15:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA06307 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:15:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from minnie.risd.edu (minnie.risd.edu [207.87.132.102]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id KAA06297 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:15:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.190.22.15] by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA17156; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:27:03 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA876171400 Mon, 06 Oct 97 13:56:40 EST Date: Mon, 06 Oct 97 13:56:40 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9709068761.AA876171400@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Cc: ingria@world.std.com Subject: Re[2]: babel-digest V2 #346 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I would love to hear an album of tune that Patii sings around the house. I wonder if she does any Judy Garland? From babel-list-owner Mon Oct 6 10:15:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA06317 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:15:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from minnie.risd.edu (minnie.risd.edu [207.87.132.102]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id KAA06298 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.190.22.15] by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA05588; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:27:00 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA876171399 Mon, 06 Oct 97 13:56:39 EST Date: Mon, 06 Oct 97 13:56:39 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9709068761.AA876171399@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Cc: ingria@world.std.com Subject: Re[2]: babel-digest V2 #346 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Wowm woldn't it be nice to hear Patti's "around the house" stuff recorded? I wonder if she does any Judy Garland? From babel-list-owner Mon Oct 6 10:19:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA06384 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:19:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from minnie.risd.edu (minnie.risd.edu [207.87.132.102]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id KAA06375 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:18:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.190.22.15] by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA27360; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:30:18 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA876171418 Mon, 06 Oct 97 13:56:58 EST Date: Mon, 06 Oct 97 13:56:58 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9709068761.AA876171418@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re[2]: side by side Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ THe Dylan album really is a listener. What a great back up band - they rock! I still haven't heard Babylon yet. Whirl Away remains my favorite tune on Peace and Noise after quite a few listenings. 1959 is a good rocker, and there's no way to miss with Patti reading Ginsberg! but all things considered I believe I like Gone Again more than this one. However, I intend to go home and crank up the bass and see if I like that better. From babel-list-owner Mon Oct 6 10:19:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA06414 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:19:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from minnie.risd.edu (minnie.risd.edu [207.87.132.102]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id KAA06378 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:19:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.190.22.15] by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA18734; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:30:50 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA876171421 Mon, 06 Oct 97 13:57:01 EST Date: Mon, 06 Oct 97 13:57:01 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9709068761.AA876171421@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Next event? Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ CYN, AN 8 TRACK of HORSES????? Holy cow. Didn't even know such a thing existed. From babel-list-owner Mon Oct 6 10:22:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA06462 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:22:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from minnie.risd.edu (minnie.risd.edu [207.87.132.102]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id KAA06455 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:21:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.190.22.15] by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA03604; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:33:25 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA876171414 Mon, 06 Oct 97 13:56:54 EST Date: Mon, 06 Oct 97 13:56:54 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9709068761.AA876171414@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: welcome thos lichen Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ SO every cd/album/cassette has a different design? I have the cassette for the car, not the same as the cd, which I have without the slipcover but witha beautiful little booklet. From babel-list-owner Mon Oct 6 10:41:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA06533 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:41:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id KAA06527 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:40:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA06899 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:40:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA28862 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:39:05 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:39:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: rolling stone review In-Reply-To: <9709068761.AA876171414@ccsmtp.risd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ The entire Rolling Stone review is up at their website today http://www.rollingstone.com i think thats the address..... robert From babel-list-owner Mon Oct 6 11:59:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA06758 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:59:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from smtp.well.com (smtp.well.com [206.80.6.147]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id LAA06752 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:59:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [207.217.3.148] (pool073-max2.la-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.3.148]) by smtp.well.com (8.8.6/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA18933 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:59:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: rodman@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <9709068761.AA876171414@ccsmtp.risd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:59:16 -0800 To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "Howard A. Rodman" Subject: Re: gatherings Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Anyone know of any Los Angeles-area P&N events? From babel-list-owner Mon Oct 6 12:02:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA06820 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:02:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id MAA06815 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:02:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA25205 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA15061 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:59:15 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:59:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: rolling stone IMAGES In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ if you havent seen the new book Images that Rolling Stone has put out(Courtney Love on Cover) there are two great pictures of Patti in it. one of color dancing(studio pic) and another that R. Mapplethorpe took of her holding a pair of sissors to her hair and a black and white cat next to her on a chair...(cropped in the large photo...but shown on back pages at end of book). One of my Fav. Mapplethorpe photos of Patti. Check it out. Robert From babel-list-owner Mon Oct 6 13:35:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id NAA07220 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:35:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id NAA07215 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:35:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA16280 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:35:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA03433 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:32:20 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:32:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re:punk magazine cover In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19971006100824.109f2f9c@mail.got.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ this may be at Fionas site...but if you havent seen the old cover of Patti on Punk zine heres a picture of it http://www.hightimes.com/ht/sl/art/punk/02.html robert From babel-list-owner Mon Oct 6 15:20:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id PAA00215 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:20:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id PAA00209 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:20:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net (sweden-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.50]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id OAA16870 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:43:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jbob (1Cust171.tnt11.chi5.da.uu.net [153.36.161.171]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA02532 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:44:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971006214226.006a3ed0@earthlink.net> X-Sender: thoslichen@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 16:42:26 -0500 To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: thos lichen Subject: bjork & misc. Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ >i think Bjork is cool....in a Keeblerian type of way. tho I can see why you use the coinage, i dare you to check out "Pluto" on her new album and think about bjork in the same way again. As long as I'm on, I was wondering.... The late, great Lester Bangs once mentioned, in a review of DNA's _A Taste of DNA_, "Sure wish Ayler was alive to play with these folks (don't laugh; Ornette [Coleman] almost played on "Radio Ethiopia")...." Does anyone know anything about this? How close did it come to happening? How come it fell through? Or is Lester just talking out his ass again? And one more little tidbit--I've seen Don DeLillo's name mentioned a couple times on the list; any David Foster Wallace readers out there? pax, Thomas- From babel-list-owner Mon Oct 6 15:20:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id PAA00230 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:20:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id PAA00214 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net (sweden-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.50]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id OAA16451 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jbob (1Cust171.tnt11.chi5.da.uu.net [153.36.161.171]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA26794 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971006212916.0069bfe0@earthlink.net> X-Sender: thoslichen@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 16:29:16 -0500 To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: thos lichen Subject: thanks Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ "those who have suffered understand suffering and thereby extend their hand" --ps just wanted to say how much i appreciated the several who posted their concern for me over my rather oblique reference to my personal problems. I told my friend Liam that I had been responded to in this way and he said "wow! That must be a really nice list!" I assured him that it is. also wanted to assure any concerned that everything's okay, really, I'm just having one of those hard times. long story short, i just found out that, to my ongoing struggle w/ chronic depression, i've added a nice little problem w/ alcohol abuse. 'self-medication,' i believe, is the clinical term for how i got in this (scuse the pun) pickle. but i'm clean today, and am getting the help i need and have plenty of friends and love ITRW. i'm certainly not desperately looking for emotional support from a bunch of strangers online; i really just want to talk and hear about what y'all think about patti. still i wanted to let everybody know that this looks to me like an exceptional list. i was actually on the brink of signing off, not over not liking the content, but because i felt that in my present state of mind i just couldn't handle the volume. just as i was reading for what i thought would be the last time, i noticed that it wasn't draining, but nourishing me. that's special, and i thought people should be told. peace, thomas- From babel-list-owner Mon Oct 6 15:20:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id PAA00260 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:20:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id PAA00254 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:20:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net (sweden-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.50]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id OAA15324 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:10:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jbob (1Cust16.tnt12.chi5.da.uu.net [153.36.166.16]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA17722 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971006210940.0067f224@earthlink.net> X-Sender: thoslichen@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 16:09:40 -0500 To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: thos lichen Subject: promotion replies Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ "oh to owe not anyone nothing" --ps. A yearning to be free as st. francis, but knowledge that one is in and of the world. To even maintain success as a musician at anything like a professional level, it helps to have backing of a label (tho some like Fugazi, Ani DiFranco suggest it's not strictly necessary...). but the major label bosses will try to own you. these are people who will refer to an artist as "product" to her face: not the disc, or even the music, but the person herself--product. Holden Caulfield, tho a snob, was not too far wrong to call this process prostitution. >A patti cut out would be great. I realize it's all to easy to project, in an idolatrous way, certain qualities onto our celebrity heroes, about whom we really know very little. nevertheless, my feeling is that patti is such a naturally dignified woman, that i find this notion insulting. This also confirms my suspicion that at least some of the bitching about promotion has less to do with people's wanting to help patti's career, and more to do with people wanting to get their hands on some more merchandise. ><< Incidentally, did it ever occur to > anyone that the kind of publicity that some of you are pining for > ultimately translates to higher prices for the consumer? >> > >I paid 14.00 for P&N but only 12.00 for the more publicised Dylan album... the point is that things like multi-million-dollar video budgets artificially inflate cd prices across the board, not just the on ones that actually receive the promo. the portion of cd prices overall that's attributable to marketing costs (as opposed to production budgets, manufacturing, label overhead, etc) is staggering. >the feeling that Patti has always had a sort of love/hate relationship >with Arista well, how wd you feel being on the same label as Barry Manilow? (&, to be fair, The Kinks as well.) Billy Bragg's "Waiting for the Great Leap Forwards" speaks as well as I've heard anyone do of the compromises and contradictions of being a pop star who hopes to communicate something more important than the glory of pop stardom. The thing is that the revolution isn't here yet--or coming at all--and I guess even revolutionary people have to, y'know, have _lives_ in the meantime. I myself am pretty much in the "moderate promotion" camp. I'm not so sure the record's not getting it. Letterman appearances and four-star reviews in rolling stone don't just happen. it's like getting a smaller act into a nightclub--the booking guy may love yr demo, but he won't do shit for you unless you keep calling. w/ publicity guys & RS it gets, of course, a little more involved--not just phone calls, but invites to open-bar parties, advertising buys, cruises w/ hookers, etc. ok I admit i'm cynical about this music business. It's just because it IS business, and works like any other one, except the people are lazier. My cynicism is born of idealism, really--I just think it shouldn't have to be this way, that some genuine and inspiring art has to come to me filtered through the oppressive mechanisms of late capitalism. But I don't, of course, blame patti for trying to find a way through--or rather above--this mess to reach an audience and communicate what she sees and feels. that's a noble pursuit and deserves support of every kind from all. BTW, I tend personally to look forward from patti as an influence to bands like the Secret Stars and Ida, rather than back to her influences like Dylan (not to knock his new album, which what i've heard is surprisingly good). The people my age who are making beautiful heartfelt and original poetic records are for the most part underground on indie labels or unsigned. As i've tried to say before, i think you can sometimes get away with doing what you want on a major label, but you have to not ask for too much of their money--ask Mudhoney. Thomas- From babel-list-owner Mon Oct 6 15:46:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id PAA00429 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:46:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id PAA00424 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA02687 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA00177 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:41:19 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:41:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: promotion replies In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19971006210940.0067f224@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ It was a joke Thomos/thos. I personally wouldnt want a cut out of Patti and perhaps your suspicions of some wanting product of Patti is correct but who cares. I personally have donated most of my Patti stuff to a library, however If people want to have Patti things around or to own I say ...whatever makes you feel good. I dont think seeing a cut out of Patti would insult me or make her less dignified...if anything it would just bring more surrealism into a already strange and crazy society...and it would probably make me laugh. from the gutter, robert On Mon, 6 Oct 1997, thos lichen wrote: > > >A patti cut out would be great. > > I realize it's all to easy to project, in an idolatrous way, certain > qualities onto our celebrity heroes, about whom we really know very little. > nevertheless, my feeling is that patti is such a naturally dignified woman, > that i find this notion insulting. This also confirms my suspicion that at > > From babel-list-owner Mon Oct 6 15:50:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id PAA00475 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:50:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from UPIMSRGSMTP11 (upimsrgsmtp11.msn.com [207.68.152.55]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id PAA00470 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from upmajb06 - 204.95.110.89 by msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:49:44 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 97 22:48:32 UT From: "Thomas (I only tell people I like)" Message-Id: To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: RE: bjork & misc. Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ >As long as I'm on, I was wondering.... The late, great Lester Bangs once >mentioned, in a review of DNA's _A Taste of DNA_, "Sure wish Ayler was alive >to play with these folks (don't laugh; Ornette [Coleman] almost played on >"Radio Ethiopia")...." Does anyone know anything about this? How close did >it come to happening? How come it fell through? Or is Lester just talking >out his ass again? Probably the last one, since Albert Ayler died long before DNA were around. but it might have happened eventually. If Don Cherry could play with Lou Reed, why not? Tom From babel-list-owner Mon Oct 6 15:54:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id PAA00513 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:54:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mail.virtuallibrarian.com ([206.20.176.4]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id PAA00508 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:53:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [169.132.53.10] by mail.virtuallibrarian.com (SMTPD32-3.03) id AC6A1090140; Mon, 06 Oct 1997 18:55:38 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971006185104.007350f4@mail.virtuallibrarian.com> X-Sender: cyn@mail.virtuallibrarian.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 18:51:04 -0400 To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: Cyn Subject: Re: Next event? In-Reply-To: <9709068761.AA876171421@ccsmtp.risd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ oh yea.. I can remember listening to Patti in the 70's. She influenced me greatly growing up. I appreciate her older work MUCH better than the new stuff I'm hearing. I think that has a lot to do with the musicians and production work though. At 01:57 PM 10/6/97 EST, you wrote: > CYN, AN 8 TRACK of HORSES????? > Holy cow. > Didn't even know such a thing existed. > > mailto:cyn@virtuallibrarian.com ******ICQ# 1112086****** http://www.virtuallibrarian.com/ From babel-list-owner Mon Oct 6 16:02:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id QAA00584 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:02:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout13.mail.aol.com (emout13.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.39]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id QAA00579 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:02:52 -0700 (PDT) From: GoRimbaud@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id TAA04229 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971006190037_1232371086@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: promotion replies Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ OM take a deep breath pw From babel-list-owner Mon Oct 6 16:03:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id QAA00622 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:03:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com (brickbat8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.11]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id QAA00617 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:03:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip93.an3-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.14.93]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA11842 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971006185849.32f7c51c@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: eltyger@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" Subject: Re:[2] promotion replies Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 1845 EDT // Mon 6 Oct 97 // BklnNYC Thomas - Mostly I Agree with You, but... *************************************************************** >Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 16:09:40 -0500 >To: babel-list@postmodern.com >From: thos lichen >Subject: promotion replies ... >"oh >to owe >not anyone >nothing" --ps. A yearning to be free as st. francis, but >knowledge that one is in and of the world. To even maintain >success as a musician at anything like a professional level, >it helps to have backing of a label (tho some like Fugazi, >Ani DiFranco suggest it's not strictly necessary...). but >the major label bosses will try to own you. these are people >who will refer to an artist as "product" to her face: not the >disc, or even the music, but the person herself--product. > >Holden Caulfield, tho a snob, was not too far wrong to call >this process prostitution. ** Holden is Full of It, in that the Comparison is Intrinsically Meaningless: It applies to Every Commercial Transaction - Including One's 9-to-5 job. So What? Therefore We are All "prostitutes"? Sans "The Revolution", what can be done? >... >Thomas- *************************************************************** --// eLTyger --// /*RESPECT FOR THE ELECTRON(S)*/ --// /*SACRED LIGHTNING/ DANCE THE WORLD*/ From babel-list-owner Mon Oct 6 16:20:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id QAA00676 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:20:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id QAA00671 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from default (fi.smart.net [205.219.246.223]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA31229 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:20:30 -0400 Message-Id: <199710062320.TAA31229@gemini.smart.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Fiona Webster" Organization: http://www.oceanstar.com To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:19:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: more Patti on TV Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I just got these two dates from the BMG guy: -Charlie Rose October 16th -Conan O'Brien November 5th --more soon! Fiona From babel-list-owner Mon Oct 6 17:20:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id RAA00860 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:20:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id RAA00855 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:20:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA31685 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:20:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA19162 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:18:26 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:18:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: thanks In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19971006212916.0069bfe0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ thomas I for one enjoy your posts...any thoughts are appreciated. hope you get better... i will check out the bjork album....i have always liked her just never really listed to her. robert ps...The Charlie Rose Show.....wasnt he some newscaster in Baltimore at some time...I seem to remember him from my childhood. Hey what about Patti doing Politicaly Incorrect...to bad she wasnt on with Patty Hearst... that would have been a great show! Still it would funny if she did that show. From babel-list-owner Mon Oct 6 17:36:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id RAA00942 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:36:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from madison.interport.net (madison.interport.net [199.184.165.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id RAA00937 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:36:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from #dalynyc.interport.com (ts3port62.port.net [207.38.249.62]) by madison.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA11469 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <343984C3.2794@interport.net> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 20:39:32 -0400 From: jEdD X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Arista Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Well, in response to an email I sent at the Arista site, wondering why they weren't promoting the Patti Smith album on their website (I sent it a week ago), somebody named mission@tuna.net (Geoff Cardillo) replied today to tell me that they have updated the site to include the new album (and that I could email him if I wanted a P & N post card or pin). The site shows the album cover, as well as the cover of the promo cd, and you can listen to 1959. Hey Fiona, can you check with your BMG rep to see if there is an intended single (either here or in Europe). After all, I want bonus cuts on a cd single! From babel-list-owner Mon Oct 6 17:37:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id RAA00965 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:37:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id RAA00960 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:37:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME ([12.67.18.213]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA1936 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 00:36:32 +0000 Message-ID: <3439A047.28FB@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 19:36:55 -0700 From: Marion Liles X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list Subject: thanks Arista Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I got a postcard type copy of: work on paper(detail) from Arista today in the mail. It mentions available on cd, cassette and limited edition vinyl and _the featured songs_. Thanks Arista for sending this after my request for any Patti stuff. Cat From babel-list-owner Mon Oct 6 18:40:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id SAA01120 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 18:40:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id SAA01115 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 18:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hawkwind (1Cust27.tnt16.chi5.da.uu.net [153.36.178.27]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA18635 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 18:39:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3439934D.5EF6@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 20:41:33 -0500 From: Dan Witt Organization: Legal Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: more Patti on TV References: <199710062320.TAA31229@gemini.smart.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Since somebody asked Charlie Rose has a show on pbs his website is: http://www.pbs.org/charlierose/ He's been interviewing people a long time, I have a tape of his talk show(not on pbs) from '81. I believe this will air at 11pm on channel 17 in minneapolis area. Fiona Webster wrote: > > I just got these two dates from the BMG guy: > > -Charlie Rose October 16th > -Conan O'Brien November 5th > > --more soon! > > Fiona -- Dan Witt MInneapolis, MN USA From babel-list-owner Mon Oct 6 20:08:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id UAA01304 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:08:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from access.netaxs.com (mail@access.netaxs.com [207.8.186.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id UAA01299 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:08:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix2.netaxs.com (mail@unix2.netaxs.com [207.8.186.4]) by access.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA14051 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:08:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Anthony J. Rzepela" Received: (from rzepelaa@localhost) by unix2.netaxs.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) id XAA23988 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710070308.XAA23988@unix2.netaxs.com> Subject: Re: Arista To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:08:29 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <343984C3.2794@interport.net> from "jEdD" at Oct 6, 97 08:39:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ jEdD wrote: > Hey Fiona, can you check with your BMG rep to see if there is an > intended single (either here or in Europe). After all, I want bonus > cuts on a cd single! How selfish! From babel-list-owner Mon Oct 6 20:37:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id UAA01372 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:37:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from access.netaxs.com (mail@access.netaxs.com [207.8.186.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id UAA01367 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix2.netaxs.com (mail@unix2.netaxs.com [207.8.186.4]) by access.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA18089 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:37:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Anthony J. Rzepela" Received: (from rzepelaa@localhost) by unix2.netaxs.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) id XAA24288 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710070337.XAA24288@unix2.netaxs.com> Subject: Re: promotion replies To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:37:29 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19971006210940.0067f224@earthlink.net> from "thos lichen" at Oct 6, 97 04:09:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ thos lichen wrote: > I realize it's all to easy to project, in an idolatrous way, certain > qualities onto our celebrity heroes, about whom we really know very little. > nevertheless, my feeling is that patti is such a naturally dignified woman, > that i find this notion insulting. Well, as you say, it's impossible to know. What we think of as 'dignified' promotion may turn her stomach, and what we think of as ridiculous she may find 'dignified'. No one's forcing her into a guest appearance on "Baywatch" or anything. (Hey! They do shows about damaging the environment!) > This also confirms my suspicion that at > least some of the bitching about promotion has less to do with people's > wanting to help patti's career, and more to do with people wanting to get > their hands on some more merchandise. Yes! More Free Shit! > the point is that things like multi-million-dollar video budgets > artificially inflate cd prices across the board, not just the on ones that > actually receive the promo. the portion of cd prices overall that's > attributable to marketing costs (as opposed to production budgets, > manufacturing, label overhead, etc) is staggering. And so it goes for just about anything you can find on the shelves, from bread to blue jeans. _Getting on the shelves_ is, in and of itself, a feat of marketing, and that on down to the level of your local corner grocer. > well, how wd you feel being on the same label as Barry Manilow? (&, to be > fair, The Kinks as well.) You may not dig Barry's artistic trip, but my guess is that he doesn't have to do too much that he doesn't really want to, in terms of promotion. So, there's no direct relationship, in either direction, between dreckiness and "selling out". > Does Billy Bragg's "Waiting for the Great Leap > Forwards" speaks as well as I've heard anyone do of the compromises and > contradictions of being a pop star who hopes to communicate something more > important than the glory of pop stardom. Bite your tongue. There's nothing more important than the glory of pop stardom. > I myself am pretty much in the "moderate promotion" camp. I'm not so sure > the record's not getting it. Letterman appearances and four-star reviews in > rolling stone don't just happen. Excellent observation, and I heartily concur. From babel-list-owner Mon Oct 6 21:01:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id VAA01444 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:01:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from spacelab.net (mta@spacelab.net [206.42.130.4]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id VAA01439 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.42.131.102] by spacelab.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11397) with SMTP id AAA18952 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 00:00:30 -0400 Subject: Thos" comments and Patti's earlier work vs. P&N Date: Mon, 6 Oct 97 23:03:29 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "Alison Armstrong" To: "babel-list@postmodern.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <19971007040029.AAA18952@[206.42.131.102]> Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I like what you say, Thos, about Patti not wanting to be treated as a commodity and that certain types of promotion would be inappropriate, cheapening her work. I don't want to see Patti demeaned by disrespectful promotional gimmicks. However, I do want her work to have more airplay and more effective yet suitable promotion. I'm sick of all the inane crap spreading like e-coli bacteria from an indiscriminate industry. (Actually, I hate to think of music as an "industry," but often, unfortunately, the term does fit the product.) . Personally, I think Peace and Noise is as good as any of Patti's earlier recordings. The mood is different, the lyrics perhaps less flamboyant, but, to me, it's just as powerful. One of the main contrasts I see is that Patti's earlier records are more about an artist struggling with her individuality and alienation, trying to penetrate some universal creativity, whereas in Peace and Noise, this universal creativity has been found (in nature, in human striving, in all that is "holy") but is sometimes barely accessible because it is deadened, subverted, or hiding. Despite the changes, Patti's new work, in my opinion, has equal power lyrically and musically. I've always especially liked Patti's agonizingly expressive vocals. ("Pissing in a River" is the epitome of this.) I get a similar feeling from her vocals in "Blue Poles," that reaching out towards something that, like the river, like the poles, keeps drifting away. Alison From babel-list-owner Mon Oct 6 21:04:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id VAA01485 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:04:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from postmodern.com (foucault.postmodern.com [198.102.244.52]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id VAA01478; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:04:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3439B4DD.DAFD8B25@postmodern.com> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 21:04:56 -0700 From: "Michael C. Berch" Organization: Postmodern Consulting, California USA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Promotion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ On the promotion question, I think it's valuable (or at least interesting) to examine our motives. I can think of several reasons that we (individually and collectively) would like Arista to promote the new album: 1) More money (recognition, etc.) for Patti. An entirely reasonable goal. 2) Validation of our musical taste and hipness : "Patti Smith is big? Hey, we've *always* been Patti Smith fans." 3) Spreading the gospel. We are performing a public service to get the message out there. I'll cop freely to all of these . :-) And the motives for *not* wanting wide promotion: 1) Patti doesn't buy into the "rock superstar" thing. 2) We want to preserve our taste and hipness as a semi-secret, underground sort of thing, like not publicizing that hip little club on a side street on the South Side. 3) Concerns about hype and commercialism in general. And I'll cop to all of these, too... -- Michael C. Berch mcb@postmodern.com From babel-list-owner Tue Oct 7 00:14:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id AAA03499 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 00:14:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from brickbat9.mindspring.com (brickbat9.mindspring.com [207.69.200.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id AAA03494 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 00:14:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip13.an3-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.14.13]) by brickbat9.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA03024 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 03:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 03:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971007031004.3fdf6e20@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: eltyger@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" Subject: Re:[2] promotion Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 0058 EDT // Tue 7 Oct 97 // BklnNYC *************************************************************** >Subject: promotion >Date: Sun, 5 Oct 97 18:24:49 -0000 >From: "Alison Armstrong" >To: "babel-list@postmodern.com" >... >I'm curious how well Arista promoted Patti's work in the 70's. >What were its promotional strategies like then? ** Thinking back it seems to me they were not that different: Generally Positive, sorta lower mid-level (as to quantity) Print-Media; Adverts - like now - when the record is released; Several Major Interviews; OverAll good reviews, sorta tapering off thru *Wave* A couple of TV Appearances (less than now); Several Radio Interviews/DJ-Gigs (Lenny probably did more of these): Eg, *Art/Rat* (WNEW-FM/NYC circa Nov 76) worked out very well as a "multi-media" thing, a transcript being famously published in the *Yipster Times* - but as a result Patti didn't get any more Radio Shows in NYC for 20 years (near as I can recall). That could be thought of as her "MTV-Bashing" of 1976, I guess... For Sure it was Just as well-justified! I think that was where She was told She would not be Allowed to "Jeopardize $20-million worth of Advertising" (by saying *Fuck* on the air...) - that was only in NYC I guess - I think She did some Radio-stuff elsewhere... That aside from the vicissitudes of getting air-play for the music; there was never really enough of that - the closest approach being in the case of "Because the Night" There were Posters and Buttons, various of the usual Promo-Items She had a review of a Jim Morrison Record (*American Prayer*?) published in *Creem*. *Babel* was published in early 1978. But these had nothing to do with Arista-Promotion, of course... >Since, as I understand it, Patti has always maintained a >great deal of artistic autonomy over her work, I don't think >the control issue is a major factor why Arista is doing a >rather lousy job of promoting Peace and Noise. And since >Patti has always defied trends and was continually evolving >her own style, why does Arista suddenly seem unsupportive of >Patti's work? ** I'm not sure they *Are* being Less Supportive Now than then. Then, a *Major* part of Arista's Promotion was Tour Support - Now Patti's not Touring much, so... I think Patti decided to try and ByPass MTV - for Good and Sufficient Reasons (See Elsewhere). Consequently (*I* think) there is the one Definitely New Element of *This* Campaign: The "Listening Party". I expect there will be an UpSurge of PrintAds - maybe even some TV Ads - when the West Coast mini-Tour kicks Off. Hopefully Radio AirPlay will be happening (Call 'em Up! Request It!) more'n'more... It doesn't seem to me to make any kind of sense for Arista to be Too Grudging in their Support. What Patti has Accomplished in the past two+ years is pretty Amazing - and I think Her Best is yet to Come. >... >It's depressing that a concept with so much promise--the >merging of music and film, both very associative, visceral >arts, was stripped by MTV of much of its creative potential. >What Patti was saying about the corruption of FM radio in the >70's, the lack of free speech and the commercialization, I >feel is even more true of MTV. ** Amen to that!! > As Robert pointed out in his post regarding his friend's >comment that Patti sounded "so desperate," "someone needs to." >Desperate voices need to be heard; there's too much >triviality. And even though P&N may seem desperate at times, > > ***it is not about hopelessness or giving up; it's about > urgency of purpose and decisiveness.*** > > Alison *************************************************************** --// eLTyger --// /*RESPECT FOR THE ELECTRON(S)*/ --// /*SACRED LIGHTNING/ DANCE THE WORLD*/ From babel-list-owner Tue Oct 7 02:21:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id CAA03852 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 02:21:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net (italy-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.18]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id CAA03847 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 02:21:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jbob (1Cust208.tnt3b.chi5.da.uu.net [153.36.135.208]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA00984 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 02:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971007091858.0068a868@earthlink.net> X-Sender: thoslichen@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 04:18:58 -0500 To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: thos lichen Subject: patti cut out Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ >It was a joke Thomos/thos. I personally wouldnt want a cut out of Patti > >and perhaps your suspicions of some wanting product of Patti is correct >but who cares. ok sorry, I do see the joke now. kinda obvious, really. I guess I'm not at my best these days. and I meant to say in the original post of mine, that I do think it's okay to want patti merch. Just, y'know, not so noble or anything. thomas- From babel-list-owner Tue Oct 7 03:38:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id DAA03962 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 03:38:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from madison.interport.net (madison.interport.net [199.184.165.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id DAA03957 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 03:38:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from #dalynyc.interport.com (ts3port11.port.net [207.38.249.11]) by madison.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA03370 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 06:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <343A11CD.2A32@interport.net> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 06:41:17 -0400 From: jEdD X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Arista References: <199710070308.XAA23988@unix2.netaxs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Anthony J. Rzepela wrote: > > jEdD wrote: > > > Hey Fiona, can you check with your BMG rep to see if there is an > > intended single (either here or in Europe). After all, I want bonus > > cuts on a cd single! > > How selfish! Hehehe. Yep. I want bonus cuts on a vinyl release too. And money, Tony, send me money. From babel-list-owner Tue Oct 7 11:11:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA04786 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:11:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from portal.west.saic.com (portal.west.saic.com [198.151.12.15]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id EAA04084 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 04:38:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cphub.mail.saic.com by portal.west.saic.com via smtpd (for kristeva.postmodern.com [198.102.244.54]) with SMTP; 7 Oct 1997 11:38:35 UT Received: from cpqm.mail.saic.com by cpmx.mail.saic.com; Tue, 7 Oct 97 04:38:36 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 7 Oct 1997 07:38:46 -0800 From: "Steve Kenney" Subject: Re: incorrect To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ >>>Hey what about Patti doing Politicaly Incorrect...<<< that's an *outstanding* idea -- let's lobby for it!! From babel-list-owner Tue Oct 7 11:12:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA04840 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:12:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from portal.west.saic.com (portal.west.saic.com [198.151.12.15]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id EAA04119 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 04:59:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cphub.mail.saic.com by portal.west.saic.com via smtpd (for kristeva.postmodern.com [198.102.244.54]) with SMTP; 7 Oct 1997 11:59:09 UT Received: from cpqm.mail.saic.com by cpmx.mail.saic.com; Tue, 7 Oct 97 04:59:10 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 7 Oct 1997 07:52:40 -0800 From: "Steve Kenney" Subject: Re: charlie rose To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ i checked the Charlie Rose website and there's a link there that will take you to the listings for your local PBS station that carries the show, so you can find out which channel and what time in your arrea. go to: http://www.pbs.org/whatson/locallistings.html skenney From babel-list-owner Tue Oct 7 11:12:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA04870 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:12:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from portal.west.saic.com (portal.west.saic.com [198.151.12.15]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id FAA04162 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 05:14:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cphub.mail.saic.com by portal.west.saic.com via smtpd (for kristeva.postmodern.com [198.102.244.54]) with SMTP; 7 Oct 1997 12:14:25 UT Received: from cpqm.mail.saic.com by cpmx.mail.saic.com; Tue, 7 Oct 97 05:14:26 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 7 Oct 1997 08:06:49 -0800 From: "Steve Kenney" Subject: Re: old vs new To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ alison writ: >>>One of the main contrasts I see is that Patti's earlier records are more about an artist struggling with her individuality and alienation, trying to penetrate some universal creativity, whereas in Peace and Noise, this universal creativity has been found (in nature, in human striving, in all that is "holy") but is sometimes barely accessible because it is deadened, subverted, or hiding<<< i've had a similar sort of feeling, like the earlier records are more *singularly* personal (eg, jesus died for somebody's sins but not *mine*), more focused on idiosyncratic things that resonated with her (eg, the ordeal of being the young peter reich) -- an artist struggling (not so much in the sense of it being *difficult* for her, more in the sense of decisively engaged) with giving voice to all the visions that filled her head and only hers -- whereas the newer stuff is more personal in a universal way, like her personal universe has expanded over time (as it does for most/all of us as we get older), so that the things that fill her head and heart are the things that fill the heads and hearts of all mothers, all people who love and are scared for the earth, etc -- and now she is struggling with giving voice to those feelings, on behalf of all of us who can't easily or comfortably or eloquently express them ourselves (thanx, patti!) . i agree, its just as emotional and powerful as the earlier work, just different. and, only marginally related, i just *love* this line in the rolling stone review: "in 'dead city,' a blunt, metallic indictment of scorched earth greed that sounds like 'because the night' kicked black and blue, she spits and snarls the words as if on the verge of retching" -- now *that* evokes my prototypical image of patti (why can't i write like that?...) skenney From babel-list-owner Tue Oct 7 11:15:48 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA05024 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:15:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from minnie.risd.edu (minnie.risd.edu [207.87.132.102]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id LAA05011 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:15:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.190.22.15] by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA10083; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:27:02 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA876261128 Tue, 07 Oct 97 14:52:08 EST Date: Tue, 07 Oct 97 14:52:08 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9709078762.AA876261128@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re[2]: promotion replies Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Hmmmm. Yeah, on my way into work today I was listening to Peace and Noise and I was sort of thinking over the promotion discussion that's been going on. And then I started thinking about how it was always a major discovery to find the new Burroughs or Ginsberg cd and how Burroughs got so little attention when he died and then I realized that of course Patti isn't into the promo thing, no one I REALLY care about is, except the I do like the Stones but they are so over the top into Promo they're totally pomo and it's just fucking funny at this point. Our own littel bad boy capitalists... but does anyone take them seriously as artists? They just make damn good rock and roll. Holy the Stones. Anyway. And personally I'd like life size cutouts of Burroughs and Ginsberg to put in my windows. And holy the housewives in the midwest and the cunts of thier grandmothers and Holy the alcoholic suicidal Anne Sexton sleeping with her daughter I had to put a feminist spin on that -sorry - it just had to get out, it's been making me a little crazy, all those holy cocks and not one holy cunt, except of course the singer. And this record is not top 100 material. I had to listen to it a number of times before I started falling in love with it. It dosen't have a hook, it's like a novel with a difficult start. They shut my AOL off. I temporarily ran out of money. I have to write to the list through this server at RISD for a while, I never know what goes out or comes in here, I know a few things that should have come in are missing. But anyway, this is a great group. Holy the Babel List. Ciao, MAry From babel-list-owner Tue Oct 7 11:17:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA05091 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:17:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from minnie.risd.edu (minnie.risd.edu [207.87.132.102]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id LAA05047 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:15:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.190.22.15] by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA07940; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:27:15 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA876261130 Tue, 07 Oct 97 14:52:10 EST Date: Tue, 07 Oct 97 14:52:10 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9709078762.AA876261130@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: thanks Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ OH btw no aol account means I can't join the chat tonight, damn. See ya next week. From babel-list-owner Tue Oct 7 11:30:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA05200 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:30:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: (from mcb@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA05193; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710071830.LAA05193@server.postmodern.com> From: mcb@postmodern.com (Michael C. Berch) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:30:50 +0000 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: babel-list Subject: [ADMIN] Server update Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Another dispatch from the front: The current situation is as follows... I had been scheduled to disconnect server.postmodern.com from the Net yesterday to take it to the repair shop, which would have meant being off the Net for at least 2 days, but my friend and colleague Brent Chapman (he's the guy that wrote Majordomo, among other things) lent me a spare machine with a similar configuration and we did a disk swap, so I can take the server to the shop without being off the Net. This is an immense help. I will either have the server repaired or upgraded (new motherboard) depending on what's wrong with it. In the meantime there *should* be no interruption to list, archive, or web service, but there will be some short downtime when we swap machines again. I'll keep you all posted. Regards to all, -- Michael C. Berch mcb@postmodern.com From babel-list-owner Tue Oct 7 11:53:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA05327 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:53:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from tcs_gateway2.treas.gov (tcs-gateway2.treas.gov [204.151.246.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id LAA05322 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:53:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by tcs_gateway2.treas.gov id AA22844 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for babel-list@postmodern.com); Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:53:18 -0400 Received: by tcs_gateway2.treas.gov (Internal Mail Agent-2); Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:53:18 -0400 Received: by tcs_gateway2.treas.gov (Internal Mail Agent-1); Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:53:18 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:47:15 -0400 Message-Id: <000280EC.1950@ccmail.irs.gov> From: Jeffrey.Stromberg@ccmail.irs.gov (Jeffrey Stromberg) To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: The Essence Of Patti Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.331052678" Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ --IMA.Boundary.331052678 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Live performing, of course, is Patti's forte. During the PBS Sessions at West 54th Street show, watch Lenny's face as Patti is ripping the strings off of her guitar. He seems to be "recapturing" or "remembering" the "RAW-ness" of a Patti Smith Group performance in the 1970's. Patti's face IS amazing during this episode - then she very calmly and demurely says, "Kevin, I broke a string." To me that moment speaks volumes. Jeffrey (I hope you can read this) PHTP --IMA.Boundary.331052678-- From babel-list-owner Tue Oct 7 12:11:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA05401 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:11:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.136.72]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id MAA05396 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA19370 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:09:36 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:09:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: incorrect In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Well there is a web site for PI...its http://www.abc.com/pi/ theres a place to write to the host and also to pick your dream team for the show. so I guess you can "lobby"...but would Patti do it? I would like to see a all Patti show. Patti Smith Patty Hearst Patti LaBelle Patty Duke robert On 7 Oct 1997, Steve Kenney wrote: > >>>Hey what about Patti doing Politicaly Incorrect...<<< > > that's an *outstanding* idea -- let's lobby for it!! > > > > From babel-list-owner Tue Oct 7 12:35:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA05457 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:35:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from IIGroup.com ([206.157.104.6]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id MAA05452 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:35:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by IIGroup.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 86256529.006BAFD1 ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:36:13 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: INC From: "Thomas W. Mohr" To: babel-list@postmodern.com Message-ID: <86256529.006B7ACD.00@IIGroup.com> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:36:07 -0500 Subject: Re: incorrect Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ >I would like to see a all Patti show. >Patti Smith >Patty Hearst >Patti LaBelle >Patty Duke Patti Smith Patricia "Patti" Ireland Pat "Patti" Robertson Pat "Patti" Buchanan There would be (male) blood on the floor... Tom 10-7 1433cdt From babel-list-owner Tue Oct 7 12:56:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA05577 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:56:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout15.mail.aol.com (emout15.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.41]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id MAA05572 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:56:31 -0700 (PDT) From: TMPJAccas@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout15.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA14191 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971007155228_1208474193@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: 7" because the night Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Hey...I found a used because the night 7" w/ godspeed as a b-side for 10$. Is it worth anything? just wondering... ~~Mike From babel-list-owner Tue Oct 7 13:22:48 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id NAA05759 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:22:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net (italy-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.18]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id NAA05754 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jbob (1Cust140.tnt5.chi5.da.uu.net [153.36.139.140]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA24489 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:22:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971007201949.0069bc8c@earthlink.net> X-Sender: thoslichen@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 15:19:49 -0500 To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: thos lichen Subject: blockbuster p&n ad + My Real Name Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Just thought this was slightly amusing--here in Chicago (anyone elsewhere see this?) the Blockbuster Music chain store is running a newspaper ad featuing p&n on sale at their stores. It appears some slack record-store manager just stuck a repro of the p&n cover art next to the same old promo copy they must have used for Gone Again. They might have gotten away with it--we hear the same old "legendary-groundbreaking-pioneer-seminal-looming-influence" tropes paraded out every time patti has a new album; the slacker rightly assumed there was no real need for a rewrite, if that was all there was. Embarassingly and absurdly, however, the line "her first new album in eight years" was also left in. Oops. >:) ...so I'm starting to feel kinda creepy about using the pseud. My real last name is Madden. Lichen is the name under which I record my (as yet unreleased) ambient experimental musics. It is also, for me, a metaphor in general for organic, symbiotic, non-hierarchical structures of [musical, social, personal] organization. Similar to Deleuze's rhizome image, but less detached and individualistic--more about interdependence. I had it stuck in my return address on whim for mailing friends, and didn't change it when i first posted. wasn't trying to hide. so there you are. "Mr. Kramer is just about the nicest person we've ever met in this shitty, shitty, shitty, shitty, shitty, shitty rock business." --bassist Kevin "Sett" Whelan, from the stage, when the Wrens opened for Wayne Kramer (x-MC5) in Chicago. Thomas- waiting underground From babel-list-owner Tue Oct 7 13:44:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id NAA05820 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:44:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net (italy-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.18]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id NAA05814 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:44:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jbob (1Cust127.tnt12.chi5.da.uu.net [153.36.166.127]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA04463 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:43:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971007204144.0067865c@earthlink.net> X-Sender: thoslichen@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 15:41:44 -0500 To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: thos lichen Subject: ayler/ornette/lester bangs Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ >>Or is Lester just talking >>out his ass again? > >Probably the last one, since Albert Ayler died long before DNA were around. > um, yeah I gathered from the quote that L.B. knew that Ayler was long gone. But he seems to talk about an Ornette-ps*g collabaration as something that very nearly actually happened on Radio Ethiopia. What's up with *that* is what I was wondering about. I just thought there might possibly be a cool story about this, and that perhaps someone out there has heard it. Speaking of Mr. Bangs, I remembered something of his, where he sums up my feelings regarding this whole promotion/marketing/commodifiction problem much better than I could, and with far fewer words than i've been using: "not [that] you want to think that rock 'n' roll can save the world but...since rock 'n' roll is bound to stay in your life you would hope to see it reach some point where it might not add to the cruelty and exploitation already in the world. In a place where people are as walled off from one another as we are in America now, all you can do is try to make some sort of simple humble, and finally private beginning." Lester is specifically addressing racist punks here, but his words for me apply equally well to a music industry that continues to co-op and commodify even the bravest attempts to create an art that will allow people to relate to one another honestly and personally, rather than thru masks of consumerism and product "identity." Thomas- waiting underground From babel-list-owner Tue Oct 7 13:59:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id NAA05877 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:59:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from brickbat9.mindspring.com (brickbat9.mindspring.com [207.69.200.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id NAA05872 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:59:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip135.an5-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.16.135]) by brickbat9.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA09322 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971007165441.3a4f3a24@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: eltyger@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" Subject: Re[3]: promotion replies Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 0031 EDT // Tue 7 Oct 97 // BklnNYC Hail / Holy Mary // WAILing thru RISD / You Go! Girl // MoreMoreMore... ************************************************************** >Date: Tue, 07 Oct 97 14:52:08 EST >From: "Lynch, Mary" >To: babel-list@postmodern.com >Subject: Re[2]: promotion replies ... > Hmmmm. > Yeah, on my way into work today I was listening to Peace and > Noise and I was sort of thinking over the promotion discussion > that's been going on. And then I started thinking about how it > was always a major discovery to find the new Burroughs or > Ginsberg cd and how Burroughs got so little attention when he > died and then I realized that of course Patti isn't into the > promo thing, no one I REALLY care about is, except the I do like > the Stones but they are so over the top into Promo they're > totally pomo and it's just fucking funny at this point. Our own > littel bad boy capitalists... but does anyone take them seriously > as artists? They just make damn good rock and roll. > Holy the Stones. Anyway. > And personally I'd like life size cutouts of Burroughs > and Ginsberg to put in my windows. > And holy the housewives in the midwest > and the cunts of thier grandmothers > and Holy the alcoholic suicidal Anne Sexton > sleeping with her daughter > I had to put a feminist spin on that -sorry - it just had to get > out, it's been making me a little crazy, all those holy cocks and > not one holy cunt, except of course the singer. > And this record is not top 100 material. I had to listen to it a > number of times before I started falling in love with it. > It dosen't have a hook, it's like a novel with a difficult start. > They shut my AOL off. I temporarily ran out of money. I have to > write to the list through this server at RISD for a while, I > never know what goes out or comes in here, I know a few things > that should have come in are missing. But anyway, this is a great > group. Holy the Babel List. > Ciao, MAry *************************************************************** GodBless/ Blessed Be/ GodSpeed/ --// eLTyger --// /*RESPECT FOR THE ELECTRON(S)*/ --// /*SACRED LIGHTNING/ DANCE THE WORLD*/ From babel-list-owner Tue Oct 7 14:12:48 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id OAA06022 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:12:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from brickbat9.mindspring.com (brickbat9.mindspring.com [207.69.200.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id OAA06017 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip135.an5-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.16.135]) by brickbat9.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA16039 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971007170756.3a4fe562@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: eltyger@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" Subject: Re:[2] [ADMIN] Server update Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 1703 EDT // Tue 7 Oct 97 // BklnNYC And Holy / Michael Holy / Brent... *************************************************************** >From: mcb@postmodern.com (Michael C. Berch) >Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:30:50 +0000 >To: babel-list@server.postmodern.com >Subject: [ADMIN] Server update ... >Another dispatch from the front: > >The current situation is as follows... I had been scheduled >to disconnect server.postmodern.com from the Net yesterday to >take it to the repair shop, which would have meant being off >the Net for at least 2 days, but my friend and colleague >Brent Chapman (he's the guy that wrote Majordomo, among other >things) lent me a spare machine with a similar configuration >and we did a disk swap, so I can take the server to the shop >without being off the Net. This is an immense help. I will >either have the server repaired or upgraded (new motherboard) >depending on what's wrong with it. > >In the meantime there *should* be no interruption to list, >archive, or web service, but there will be some short >downtime when we swap machines again. > >I'll keep you all posted. > >Regards to all, >-- >Michael C. Berch >mcb@postmodern.com ************************************************************** --// eLTyger --// /*RESPECT FOR THE ELECTRON(S)*/ --// /*SACRED LIGHTNING/ DANCE THE WORLD*/ From babel-list-owner Tue Oct 7 14:20:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id OAA06085 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:20:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from brickbat9.mindspring.com (brickbat9.mindspring.com [207.69.200.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id OAA06075 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:20:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip135.an5-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.16.135]) by brickbat9.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA19231 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971007171516.3a4f4dd4@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: eltyger@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" Subject: Re:[2] The Essence Of Patti Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 1714 EDT // Tue 7 Oct 97 // BklnNYC Holy / Jeffrey Easily Read... Holy *LIVE* // EverMore *************************************************************** >Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:47:15 -0400 >From: Jeffrey.Stromberg@ccmail.irs.gov (Jeffrey Stromberg) >To: babel-list@postmodern.com >Subject: The Essence Of Patti ... > Live performing, of course, is Patti's forte. During the PBS Sessions > at West 54th Street show, watch Lenny's face as Patti is ripping the > strings off of her guitar. He seems to be "recapturing" or > "remembering" the "RAW-ness" of a Patti Smith Group performance in the > 1970's. > > Patti's face IS amazing during this episode - then she very calmly and > demurely says, "Kevin, I broke a string." > > To me that moment speaks volumes. > > > > Jeffrey (I hope you can read this) > > > > > PHTP ************************************************************** Yay/Yay/Yay/Yay/... --// eLTyger --// /*RESPECT FOR THE ELECTRON(S)*/ --// /*SACRED LIGHTNING/ DANCE THE WORLD*/ From babel-list-owner Tue Oct 7 15:06:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id PAA06231 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:06:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id PAA06226 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:06:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip62.an5-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.16.62]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA25190 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 18:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 18:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971007180156.2f6712c8@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: eltyger@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" Subject: Re:[2] ...promo Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 1733 EDT // Tue 7 Oct 97 // BklnNYC HOLY ALL Information Distribution / Even Unto Promo Just think of the kind You don't Like as the *noise* part of the All... (It's not *Intended* for You, but rather for a guy on the other side of Town As Holy as Thou...) *************************************************************** >Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 15:41:44 -0500 >To: babel-list@postmodern.com >From: thos lichen >Subject: ayler/ornette/lester bangs ... >... > ...his words for me >apply equally well to a music industry that continues to >co-op and commodify even the bravest attempts to create an art >that will allow people to relate to one another honestly and >personally, rather than thru masks of consumerism and product >"identity." > >Thomas- >waiting underground *************************************************************** --// eLTyger --// /*RESPECT FOR THE ELECTRON(S)*/ --// /*SACRED LIGHTNING/ DANCE THE WORLD*/ From babel-list-owner Tue Oct 7 15:13:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id PAA06270 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:13:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from minnie.risd.edu (minnie.risd.edu [207.87.132.102]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id PAA06265 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:13:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.190.22.15] by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA31603; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 18:24:27 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA876275822 Tue, 07 Oct 97 18:57:02 EST Date: Tue, 07 Oct 97 18:57:02 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9709078762.AA876275822@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re[2]: [2] The Essence Of Patti Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ YAY YAY YAY JEFFREY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOHAH! Hey Skenny, do you have a tape of thath? ciao, Mary From babel-list-owner Tue Oct 7 15:59:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id PAA06494 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:59:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from minnie.risd.edu (minnie.risd.edu [207.87.132.102]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id PAA06489 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:59:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.190.22.15] by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA19447; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 19:11:41 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA876278651 Tue, 07 Oct 97 19:44:11 EST Date: Tue, 07 Oct 97 19:44:11 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9709078762.AA876278651@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re[3]: [2] The Essence Of Patti Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Ahem, I meant of tape of Patti breaking the strings. Not of Jeffrey's message getting through. :) _________________________________________________________________ I asked Hank Williams How lonely does it get? Hank Willimas hasn't answered yet From babel-list-owner Tue Oct 7 16:05:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id QAA06556 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:05:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from minnie.risd.edu (minnie.risd.edu [207.87.132.102]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id QAA06548 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.190.22.15] by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA18887; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 19:16:28 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA876278948 Tue, 07 Oct 97 19:49:08 EST Date: Tue, 07 Oct 97 19:49:08 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9709078762.AA876278948@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re[3]: [2] The Essence Of Patti Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Spealing of cutouts, why don't we make a Patti Smith cutout book? You know, there would be a little standup image of Patti and then we could dress her up any way we wanted. From babel-list-owner Tue Oct 7 16:21:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id QAA06626 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:21:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net (italy-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.18]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id QAA06621 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:21:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jbob (1Cust153.tnt13.chi5.da.uu.net [153.36.170.153]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA13471 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971007231829.0069cf2c@earthlink.net> X-Sender: thoslichen@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 18:18:29 -0500 To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: thos lichen Subject: Re: Re[3]: [2] The Essence Of Patti Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ NOW yr talkin'. paper dolls are very cute and _just right_. :) especially if it had patti w/ her hair all braided like "Dream of Life" days. maybe all drawn pen & ink rather than photo. how sweet wd that be? thos.- > Spealing of cutouts, why don't we make a Patti Smith > cutout book? > You know, there would be a little standup image of Patti > and then we could dress her up any way we wanted. > > From babel-list-owner Tue Oct 7 17:40:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id RAA06915 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:40:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from UPIMSRGSMTP08 (upimsrgsmtp08.msn.com [207.68.152.52]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id RAA06910 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:40:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from upmajb06 - 204.95.110.89 by msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:37:18 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 97 00:36:16 UT From: "Thomas (I only tell people I like)" Message-Id: To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: RE: ayler/ornette/lester bangs Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ >>>Or is Lester just talking >>>out his ass again? > >>Probably the last one, since Albert Ayler died long before DNA were around. > >um, yeah I gathered from the quote that L.B. knew that Ayler was long gone. >But he seems to talk about an Ornette-ps*g collabaration as something that >very nearly actually happened on Radio Ethiopia. What's up with *that* is >what I was wondering about. I just thought there might possibly be a cool >story about this, and that perhaps someone out there has heard it. I know I've heard it mentioned before, but it might have been in the Lester Bangs article so that doesn't really help, does it? Anyway, right after I sent that out I remembered the example I wanted to use of "anythings possible." Lol Coxhill playing with the Damned. Does anyone know how that worked out? Tom From babel-list-owner Tue Oct 7 21:23:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id VAA07269 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:23:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from madison.interport.net (madison.interport.net [199.184.165.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id VAA07264 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:23:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from #dalynyc.interport.com (ts3port29.port.net [207.38.249.29]) by madison.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA17962 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <343B0B59.732D@interport.net> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 00:26:01 -0400 From: jEdD X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Server update References: <199710071830.LAA05193@server.postmodern.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Michael C. Berch wrote: > > Another dispatch from the front: > Thanks for the update. Being without the list for two days was as frightening a prospect as being in a cabin in the wilderness with no telephone (Yikes!) - City boy Jed. From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 8 01:20:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id BAA09384 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 01:20:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from access.netaxs.com (mail@access.netaxs.com [207.8.186.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id BAA09379 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 01:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix2.netaxs.com (mail@unix2.netaxs.com [207.8.186.4]) by access.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA07311 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 04:20:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Anthony J. Rzepela" Received: (from rzepelaa@localhost) by unix2.netaxs.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) id EAA09530 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 04:20:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710080820.EAA09530@unix2.netaxs.com> Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Server update To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 04:20:32 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <343B0B59.732D@interport.net> from "jEdD" at Oct 8, 97 00:26:01 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ jEdD wrote: > > Michael C. Berch wrote: > > > > Another dispatch from the front: > > > > Thanks for the update. Being without the list for two days was as > frightening a prospect as being in a cabin in the wilderness with no > telephone (Yikes!) - City boy Jed. Oh, boo hoo. The Stones' list went down over the weekend. How was I supposed to get through _my_ workday? Thanks, Michael.... From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 8 05:10:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA09754 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 05:10:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from gatekeeper.tateandlyle.com ([194.130.202.65]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id FAA09749 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 05:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gatekeeper.tateandlyle.com; id NAA07749; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:15:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from mime(193.35.112.9) by gatekeeper.tateandlyle.com via smap (V3.1.1) id xma007745; Wed, 8 Oct 97 13:15:14 +0100 Received: from plcserver4.tateandlyle.com (unverified [193.35.112.41]) by mime.tateandlyle.com (Integralis SMTPRS 2.02) with ESMTP id ; Wed, 08 Oct 1997 13:10:20 +0100 Message-Id: Received: by PLCSERVER4 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:09:16 +0100 From: Osborne Dan To: Babel List Subject: Roy Lichtenstein Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:13:00 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ In his obituary notice in the NME it mentions a famous picture of his inspired by Free Money - I'm trying to imagine how it might look (POW comes to mind)! If anybody knows of it I'd love a description. Dan From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 8 07:39:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id HAA10045 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 07:39:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from host.ld.centuryinter.net (www.ld.centuryinter.net [206.65.161.250]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id HAA10040 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 07:39:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppp0020.ms.centuryinter.net by host.ld.centuryinter.net; (5.65/1.1.8.2/16Aug95-0520PM) id AA16761; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:39:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:39:10 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971008093820.27a7eeee@mail.wi.centuryinter.net> X-Sender: cen00746@mail.wi.centuryinter.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel@postmodern.com From: Mike Rice Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #350 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ There's a small inset picture of Patty in the Time magazine coverage of the new movies about Buddhism, the Dalai Lhama and Tibet. Her picture is among a collage of pictures featuring American celebrities doing zen stuff. Mike Rice From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 8 08:13:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id IAA10162 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 08:13:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from minnie.risd.edu (minnie.risd.edu [207.87.132.102]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id IAA10157 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 08:13:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.190.22.15] by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA21145; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 11:21:33 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA876336844 Wed, 08 Oct 97 11:54:04 EST Date: Wed, 08 Oct 97 11:54:04 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9709088763.AA876336844@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: breeseg@mail.ripon.edu, ethiopium@aol.com, Babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Journal: In Tomorrow's Berlin, What to Do With Yesterday? Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Ther is an cover article on Buddhism in America in the new TIme. Rather Timeish, "America's fascination with Buddhism." How about America's fascination with Christianity? And Brad Pitt as the cover boy. sigh. Where's the Dali Lama? How about "America's fscination with movies and money?" Love, Moh From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 8 10:20:05 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA10456 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:20:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from berzerk.rs.itd.umich.edu (root@berzerk.rs.itd.umich.edu [141.211.63.17]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id KAA10451 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:19:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pacman.rs.itd.umich.edu by berzerk.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.6/3.0-mailhub) with ESMTP id NAA25735; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (birena@localhost) by pacman.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.6/4.0-client) with SMTP id NAA09420 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:19:28 -0400 (EDT) From: barbara nagler X-Sender: birena@pacman.rs.itd.umich.edu To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: thanks Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I think the Bjork album, Homogenic, is fantastic-- thanks to those who raved about it-- And Thank you Mary for the "holy cunts"-- I was thinking that too, but said nothing & just included it mentally with "Everything & everyone". ( "I didn't say nothin'") It's still probably my favorite, by a tiny degree, of the songs. (Spell) Irena From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 8 10:50:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA10624 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:50:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from portal.west.saic.com (portal.west.saic.com [198.151.12.15]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id FAA09863 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 05:37:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cphub.mail.saic.com by portal.west.saic.com via smtpd (for kristeva.postmodern.com [198.102.244.54]) with SMTP; 8 Oct 1997 12:37:48 UT Received: from cpqm02.mail.saic.com by cpmx.mail.saic.com; Wed, 8 Oct 97 05:37:50 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 8 Oct 1997 08:33:39 -0800 From: "Steve Kenney" Subject: Re: cutout book To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ >>>Spealing of cutouts, why don't we make a Patti Smith cutout book? You know, there would be a little standup image of Patti and then we could dress her up any way we wanted.<<< now *that's* a babelista art project i might be able to contribute to ! -- sixteen different funky old blazers, all with the elbows worn through...... : ) skenney From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 8 13:37:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id NAA11140 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:37:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com (brickbat8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.11]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id NAA11135 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (user-37kb65h.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.152.177]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA05082 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971008163238.31d70cee@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: eltyger@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" Subject: Re:[2] cutout book Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 1647 EDT // Wed 8 Oct 97 // BklnNYC GoSKennyGo! Sounds like a Winner for the ArtShow... *************************************************************** >Date: 8 Oct 1997 08:33:39 -0800 >From: "Steve Kenney" >Subject: Re: cutout book >To: babel-list@postmodern.com ... >>>>Spealing of cutouts, why don't we make a Patti Smith cutout >book? You know, there would be a little standup image of Patti >and then we could dress her up any way we wanted.<<< > >now *that's* a babelista art project i might be able to >contribute to ! --sixteen different funky old blazers, all >with the elbows worn through...... :) > >skenney *************************************************************** --// eLTyger --// /*RESPECT FOR THE ELECTRON(S)*/ --// /*SACRED LIGHTNING/ DANCE THE WORLD*/ From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 8 16:12:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id QAA11487 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:12:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from host.ld.centuryinter.net (www.ld.centuryinter.net [206.65.161.250]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id QAA11482 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:12:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppp0026.ms.centuryinter.net by host.ld.centuryinter.net; (5.65/1.1.8.2/16Aug95-0520PM) id AA29103; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 19:11:47 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 19:11:47 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971008181056.1aafcc00@mail.wi.centuryinter.net> X-Sender: cen00746@mail.wi.centuryinter.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel@postmodern.com From: Mike Rice Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I just finished reading Ken Auletta's piece on the vicissitudes of the Book trade in the New Yorker. Someone interviewed there pointed out how hopeless it is that so many people's tastes in books are dictated by the Marketing departments of Publishing companies. That's true in records, too. If Patti Smith is going to be special, she can't be a superstar. Catering to mass taste is like being a prostitute. The Rolling Stones will do anything for a buck. What you hear about them is just hype from the marketing department even when it does contain some words that used to be true. The Stones are pornstars. We're all a little inured to it. All of television and print is permeated with promotion. Promo and porno are to me almost the same word. A few years ago I stopped watching television in the traditional way, and started selectively taping the things I wanted to see. Naturally, I fast-forward through all commercials. I am now blissfully unaware of a lot of the hype while still witnessing the decline of newspapers into printed television. I'm tired of newspapers that all look and act dumb like USA Today. I'll stop complaining. Its a blessing that Patti Smith is not as big a deal as say George Michaels used to be. There is a price to be paid for that. Mike Rice P.S. Will someone explain the reference to MTV dissing by Patti in 1976. Unless that was the name of a record, it can't be true. MTV has only been around since about 1981. She might just as well have dissed MTV in 1776. They must mean 1996, right? From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 8 16:16:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id QAA11516 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:16:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.92]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id QAA11506 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-121.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.89]) by mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id QAA16820; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:14:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/mt.graham.14Aug97) id QAA21706; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:14:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710082314.QAA21706@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> From: DBaer@webtv.net (David Baer) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 19:14:57 -0400 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: thanks (IRENA) Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Irena: I'm sure I was the first one here to rave about "Homogenic", and I'm so glad to see someone else raving along with me! For the most part, the reaction I got here was silence, a little dry sarcasm, and to be fair - just a couple of nods of acknowledgement. Funny, but that's the same reaction I've gotten for the past twenty-two years when I mention Patti...(coincidence...?, N.B., Babelistas!). Anyway, I don't know how you feel about this album vs. Debut and Post (which I also went crazy about), but please go on! I realize that Bjork and Patti are in completely different leagues, but I feel like there is a common thread that attracts me to both and I'm wondering if anyone else is picking this up too. I embarassed to admit it, but I bought Homogenic the day it came out, one week before Peace and Noise, and guess which one I'm walking around whistling all the time? This is a hard thing for a long-time hard core Patti Smith-head to admit! It doesn't bother me too much, because Gone Again took me almost a year to fully appreciate, and I've become accustomed to making excitement over new releases by Patti last as long as possible. BTW JOGA was the song that really grabbed me instantly, followed closely by BACHELORETTE. Lately it's 5 YEARS that's got a firm grip on every waking moment. I DARE YOU TO TAKE ME ON - I DARE YOU TO SHOW ME YOUR PALMS. Her voice astounds me!!!! Drives me crazy!!!! "Follow the dot". -David From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 8 16:40:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id QAA11607 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:40:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.92]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id QAA11600 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:39:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-121.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.89]) by mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id QAA03260; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:38:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/mt.graham.14Aug97) id QAA28178; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:38:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710082338.QAA28178@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> From: DBaer@webtv.net (David Baer) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 19:38:42 -0400 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: (no subject) Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Mike Rice: I did this a couple of weeks ago in response to a posting by THOS LICHEN --(I know it's an alias but I don't feel like searching for your real name, thos)-- but I just read your posting about this whole issue of promotion and I have again put down my keyboard and applauded. Thanks for your wisdom, which is truly in line with the real message that I think Patti has been sending all along. Bravo! -David. From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 8 17:19:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id RAA11749 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:19:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from spacelab.net (mta@spacelab.net [206.42.130.4]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id RAA11743 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:18:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.42.131.145] by spacelab.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11397) with SMTP id AAA10587 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 20:17:17 -0400 Subject: Lyrics Date: Wed, 8 Oct 97 19:20:16 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "Alison Armstrong" To: "babel-list@postmodern.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <19971009001714.AAA10587@[206.42.131.145]> Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Did anyone catch any more of the lyrics from P&N? I was trying to figure out the first verse of "Don't Say Nothing", something gruesome about a cat--is that right? And in "Death Singing' what's this about a child's leather purse? I'm horrible at deciphering lyrics, something weird with my hearing, I guess, maybe too much ear wax. There have been some of Patti's songs which I heard incorrectly before I found out what the real lyrics were, and then I would keep hearing the wrong lyrics even when I knew what the actual words were. For example, in "Pissing in a River," the phrase "tip of a spoon," I heard as "tethered sperm," and in "Godspeed," "all the twisted sand and foam," I thought was "all the twisted salmon bones." As I think someone else mentioned awhile ago regarding mishread lyrics, the "wild, wild" refrain in "Ask the Angels" sounded to me like "quaaludes, qualudes." It's kind of strange, but when I thought those were the lyrics, i did a perhaps rather convuluted interpretation that made sense to me at the time. The twisted salmon bones, for instance, were, according to my confused analysis, the remains of salmon which had died in the act of spawning. Interesting as it sometimes may be to pin a significance to a line that doesn't even exist, I would very much like to know the real words to the pieces in question from P&N as well as the other ones which aren't written out in the booklet. Alison From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 8 17:22:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id RAA11779 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:22:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from access.netaxs.com (mail@access.netaxs.com [207.8.186.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id RAA11771 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:21:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix2.netaxs.com (mail@unix2.netaxs.com [207.8.186.4]) by access.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA11939 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 20:21:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Anthony J. Rzepela" Received: (from rzepelaa@localhost) by unix2.netaxs.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) id UAA24536 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 20:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710090021.UAA24536@unix2.netaxs.com> Subject: Re: The Pop Group To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 20:21:17 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19971008181056.1aafcc00@mail.wi.centuryinter.net> from "Mike Rice" at Oct 8, 97 07:11:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Mike Rice wrote: > Catering to mass > taste is like being a prostitute. The Rolling Stones will > do anything for a buck. What you hear about them is just > hype from the marketing department even when it does contain > some words that used to be true. The Stones are pornstars. Porn is great on occasion. I wouldn't trust anyone (a male at least) who said they never indulged. As for the question of "hype" and "marketing", I'd be a fool to claim that it had _nothing_ to do with getting me to travel 800 miles and part with $~200 in admission fees (so far) to go to three Stones' shows in the Midwest, but the fact of the matter is, I came away one damn happy john every time, and I'm going back for more this weekend. If you want your entertainment delivered only in plain brown wrappers, and consumed in a dour and serious-minded fashion, comrade, go right ahead. That's your right. Of course, that "indie" thing has its own (some would say 'snob') appeal, but it has NOTHING to do with your preferences, right? I mean, you really manage to ignore the packaging and stay free of evil marketing influences, yes? > We're all a little inured to it. All of television and print > is permeated with promotion. Promo and porno are to me almost > the same word. Porno is more expensive. There's no 'm' in 'porno'. There's probably one or two other differences. > Its a blessing that Patti Smith is not as big a deal as say > George Michaels used to be. George Michael. No "s". ++Tony "I gotta have Faith" Rzepela From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 8 19:07:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id TAA12168 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 19:07:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout12.mail.aol.com (emout12.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.38]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id TAA12163 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 19:06:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Bluemuse@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id WAA28713 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 22:05:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 22:05:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971008220126_2066154399@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: thanks Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ In a message dated 10/8/97 1:21:57 PM, you wrote: > I think the Bjork album, Homogenic, is fantastic-- thanks to those >who raved about it-- Has anyone noticed that Bjork is looking more and more like Klaus Nomi these days? Is it intentional? --Bob Farace From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 8 19:22:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id TAA12220 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 19:22:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mailsorter-101.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.91]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id TAA12215 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 19:22:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-121.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.89]) by mailsorter-101.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id TAA26829; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 19:21:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/mt.graham.14Aug97) id TAA17799; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 19:21:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710090221.TAA17799@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> From: DBaer@webtv.net (David Baer) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 22:21:13 -0400 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: thanks Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Pardon my ignorance (and sneer, if you will) but who is Klaus Nomi? From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 8 20:10:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id UAA12312 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 20:10:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from brickbat9.mindspring.com (brickbat9.mindspring.com [207.69.200.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id UAA12301 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 20:08:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip221.an5-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.16.221]) by brickbat9.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA23923 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 23:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 23:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971008230243.33671324@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: eltyger@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" Subject: Re: Bashing Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 2248 EDT // Wed 8 Oct 97 // BklnNYC OK then, call it her "WNEW-Bashing of 1976"... "...Eg, *Art/Rat* (WNEW-FM/NYC circa Nov 76) worked out very well as a "multi-media" thing, a transcript being famously published in the *Yipster Times* - but as a result Patti didn't get any more Radio Shows in NYC for 20 years (near as I can recall).... ...That could be thought of as her "MTV-Bashing" of 1976, I guess... For Sure it was Just as well-justified!" It was definitely "1976". As it happens, I was Priviledged to tape both: 1976 (FM Broadcast), and 1997 (Randall's Island/Live). *************************************************************** >Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 19:11:47 -0400 >To: babel@postmodern.com >From: Mike Rice >Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com >... >Mike Rice > >P.S. Will someone explain the reference to MTV dissing by >Patti in 1976. Unless that was the name of a record, it >can't be true. MTV has only been around since about 1981. >She might just as well have dissed MTV in 1776. They must >mean 1996, right? *************************************************************** Wrong. 1996 was relatively Bash-Free... --// eLTyger --// /*RESPECT FOR THE ELECTRON(S)*/ --// /*SACRED LIGHTNING/ DANCE THE WORLD*/ From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 8 20:46:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id UAA12378 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 20:46:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from brickbat9.mindspring.com (brickbat9.mindspring.com [207.69.200.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id UAA12373 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 20:45:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip199.an3-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.14.199]) by brickbat9.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA07654 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 23:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 23:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971008233933.3ae7e594@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: eltyger@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" Subject: Re:[2] The Pop Group Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 2317 EDT // Wed 8 Oct 97 // BklnNYC What *Is* the Archetypal "Promo"? Playing the Record on the Air. ************************************************************** >From: "Anthony J. Rzepela" >Subject: Re: The Pop Group >To: babel-list@postmodern.com >Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 20:21:17 -0400 (EDT) >... >As for the question of "hype" and "marketing", >I'd be a fool to claim that it had _nothing_ to >do with getting me to travel 800 miles and part >with $~200 in admission fees (so far) >to go to three Stones' shows in the Midwest, but >the fact of the matter is, I came away one damn >happy john every time, and I'm going back for more >this weekend. ** Well, ya didn't Claim it and I'm *Not* Callin' Ya. Fact is, Your peregrinations prob'ly had more to do with having Seen 'em live on previous Occasions. Of course, You gotta answer to...(?) for that *First Time* (Back in some Dim Pothole of History). >If you want your entertainment delivered only >in plain brown wrappers, and consumed in a >dour and serious-minded fashion, comrade, go right >ahead. That's your right. Of course, that "indie" >thing has its own (some would say 'snob') appeal, >but it has NOTHING to do with your preferences, right? > >I mean, you really manage to ignore the packaging >and stay free of evil marketing influences, yes? > >> We're all a little inured to it. All of television and >> print is permeated with promotion. Promo and porno are >> to me almost the same word. > >Porno is more expensive. There's no 'm' in 'porno'. >There's probably one or two other differences. ** Promo, Pomo, Pith & Porno. It's a PR Firm, Right? Or perhaps a Real Estate Agency? No! I've got it! It's Lawyers! They Specialize in Mass-Redundancy Cases... >> Its a blessing that Patti Smith is not as big a deal as say >> George Michaels used to be. > >George Michael. No "s". ** There ya Go. She's saved by the "s". > > >++Tony "I gotta have Faith" Rzepela *************************************************************** You Got It, --// eLTyger --// /*RESPECT FOR THE ELECTRON(S)*/ --// /*SACRED LIGHTNING/ DANCE THE WORLD*/ From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 8 20:51:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id UAA12417 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 20:51:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.136.72]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id UAA12412 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 20:51:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA27170 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 20:43:47 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 20:43:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: "babel-list@postmodern.com" Subject: Re: Lyrics In-Reply-To: <19971009001714.AAA10587@[206.42.131.145]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ cool with Bjork but that new Portishead album is pretty cool. Allison I too noticed the "cat" cat in Dont Say Nothing and also some cat stuff in Memento Mori about swinging a cat around over his head or something. Hum...skined cats in a river and people swinging cats by the tail... what does it all mean? Lets hope PETA doesnt get involved with this. robert From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 8 21:39:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id VAA12540 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:39:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id VAA12531 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:37:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip232.an5-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.16.232]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA17669 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 00:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 00:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971009003218.47d71324@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: eltyger@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" Subject: Re:[3] Bashing Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 2356 EDT // Wed 8 Oct 97 // BklnNYC Before "MTV" debut-ted in 1981(?), they had what's Called "FM Radio" - which, after a promising beginning, had become 'bout as bad as what we Now Call "MTV" - only w/o the Pictures. Thus, "MTV" began as a High-Tech means of Salvaging "FM Radio". But then, as usual, Someone thought to sell Adverts... Now, for the True (D)Meaning of Advertising, one should become an AOL Client... No Performer(s) are to blame for Anything. What choice have *They* got? "NO, Mr. ReordCompanyMan! DO NOT Advertise Muh Debut Recrd..." *************************************************************** >Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 23:07:42 -0400 (EDT) >To: babel-list@postmodern.com >From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" >Subject: Re: Bashing ... >2248 EDT // Wed 8 Oct 97 // BklnNYC > >OK then, call it her "WNEW-Bashing of 1976"... > > "...Eg, *Art/Rat* (WNEW-FM/NYC circa Nov 76) worked > out very well... >... *************************************************************** SureSure... --// eLTyger --// /*RESPECT FOR THE ELECTRON(S)*/ --// /*SACRED LIGHTNING/ DANCE THE WORLD*/ From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 8 21:53:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id VAA12583 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:53:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id VAA12578 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:53:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip232.an5-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.16.232]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA21239 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 00:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 00:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971009004704.47d7fea6@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: eltyger@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" Subject: Re:[2] Lyrics Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 0041 EDT // Thu 9 Oct 97 // BklnNYC I just think of it as Over El Topo... *************************************************************** >Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 20:43:47 -0700 (PDT) >From: Robert Byler >To: "babel-list@postmodern.com" >Subject: Re: Lyrics ... >cool with Bjork but that new Portishead album is pretty cool. >Allison I too noticed the "cat" cat in Dont Say Nothing and >also some cat stuff in Memento Mori about swinging a cat >around over his head or something. Hum...skined cats in a >river and people swinging cats by the tail... what does it >all mean? Lets hope PETA doesnt get involved with this. > >robert *************************************************************** --// eLTyger --// /*RESPECT FOR THE ELECTRON(S)*/ --// /*SACRED LIGHTNING/ DANCE THE WORLD*/ From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 8 23:40:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id XAA12817 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 23:40:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from access.netaxs.com (mail@access.netaxs.com [207.8.186.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id XAA12812 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 23:39:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix3.netaxs.com (mail@unix3.netaxs.com [207.8.186.5]) by access.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA01932 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 02:38:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "Anthony J. Rzepela" Received: (from rzepelaa@localhost) by unix3.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA05564 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 02:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710090638.CAA05564@unix3.netaxs.com> Subject: Free Shit! To: babel-list@postmodern.com (babel-list) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 02:38:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Well, I got to the Philly P&N party in just enough time to hear the disc end. I was annoyed because I purposely have avoided the disc to hear it on a bitchin' sound system first... They started it again, and drinks were free as long as P&N was playing, but I only got a half-glass of wine (and 2.5 songs) in me before the music (and the open bar) was cut off. I regretted my timing but (drumroll) it got me the signed lithograph! #186! Woo-Woo!! (they announced _my_ name as the winner (or tried to, at least) and all these people were like, "That's me!" Shyeah, right!) Also snagged one set of pins and a postcard. Tried to go back for more postcards as they wrapped up but the reps were in a hurry, I think. 'Waiting Underground' rules, and PS sounds faaaaabulous with a piano going behind her... Can't wait to hear the whole record. From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 9 00:44:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id AAA14607 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 00:44:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.92]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id AAA14602 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 00:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailtod-113.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-113.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.88]) by mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id AAA01456; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 00:43:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-113.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/mt.graham.14Aug97) id AAA09202; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 00:43:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710090743.AAA09202@mailtod-113.bryant.webtv.net> From: RobBob@webtv.net (Robert Stair) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 03:43:50 -0400 To: babel@postmodern.com Subject: Holiday Greetings! Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Happy John Lennon's Birthday! Robert Stair RobBob@webtv.net From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 9 03:55:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id DAA15043 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 03:55:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from madison.interport.net (madison.interport.net [199.184.165.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id DAA15036 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 03:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from #dalynyc.interport.com (ts3port22.port.net [207.38.249.22]) by madison.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA20686 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 06:54:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <343CB888.2A0E@interport.net> Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 06:57:12 -0400 From: jEdD X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Holiday Greetings! References: <199710090743.AAA09202@mailtod-113.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Robert Stair wrote: > > Happy John Lennon's Birthday! > > Robert Stair > RobBob@webtv.net 57 years ago. Ouch. From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 9 04:27:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id EAA15145 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 04:27:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com (emout08.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.23]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id EAA15140 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 04:27:25 -0700 (PDT) From: GoRimbaud@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id HAA27244 for babel-list@postmodern.com(send); Thu, 9 Oct 1997 07:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 07:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971009072454_-661485436@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com (send) Subject: promos...i like them! Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ promos. I LIKE THEM! they don't demean the performer/artist. as a consumer/buyer, it is a thrill to collect the promos. so, no matter the outcome of this heated dicussion of "like" or "dislike" promos will still be with us and as a part of our culture and landscape. so, i say bring them on....let's have more of these damn promos. and promos don't necessarily mean material items, promos can and are "airplay" ...play the damn music on the airways. promos can and are print ads. where are the damn fucking ads? lamearista has placed a few ads after the release of peace and noise, but have placed them in peculiar places as such as the classical section of a newpaper rather than in the rock pages. i don't have many friends who peruse the classical pages looking for rockers! sounds lame to me. this is no promotion. this is failure to promote. very few ads to be seen on our cultural landscape! i like seeing them. lamearista seems to feel that promoting patti lee is to alert the buying public only after the release of her recording. i'm visually minded and don't mind seeing patti lee's face plastered about the city's landscape. bring on the promos lamearista! my best, phillip From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 9 04:28:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id EAA15187 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 04:28:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com (emout04.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.95]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id EAA15164 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 04:28:14 -0700 (PDT) From: GoRimbaud@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id HAA17851 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 07:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 07:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971009072712_794268420@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: still going......... Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ << Happy John Lennon's Birthday! --- 57 years ago. Ouch. >> imagine being still at it at 65! yoko will be 65 this coming february 18th and she's still rocking and screeching! GoYokoGo! pw From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 9 05:17:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA15267 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 05:17:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from smtp.well.com (smtp.well.com [206.80.6.147]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id FAA15262 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 05:17:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [76702.1416] (hd59-112.hil.compuserve.com [199.174.239.112]) by smtp.well.com (8.8.6/8.8.4) with SMTP id FAA03773 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 05:16:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710091216.FAA03773@smtp.well.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "sonic5" To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 07:15:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re:[3] Bashing Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1.5.4.16.19971009003218.47d71324@pop.pipeline.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ > > No Performer(s) are to blame for Anything. What choice have > *They* got? > > "NO, Mr. ReordCompanyMan! DO NOT Advertise Muh Debut Recrd..." > sure to be followed by "No Mr/Ms Record Company Person, I don't want to make any money or have anyone actually hear any of my music." :-) if artists wanted to toil away in poverty and obscurity, they'd never make demo tapes. and i've yet to hear of musicians who were forced at gunpoint to send that tape to a major record label's A&R department. most artists want their work to be heard. they like being able to afford luxuries like food. money from record sales lets them do that. whatever you think about the state of advertising and marketing, record companies (big corporations or little indie operations) don't claim to be charity organizations -and even if they were, they'd still be doing some type of promo. I work for a non-profit group. We spend a fair amount of time (and funds) getting "the word out" about our services via the radio, the newspaper, phone calls and those annoying flyers that crop up on supermarket bulletin boards. > Its a blessing that Patti Smith is not as big a deal as say > George Michaels used to be. yes, i'm sure she counts her blessings every time that mortgage payment is due. and gee, if she was as big a deal as George Michael any jerk might actually own and listen to her music. Would certainly diminish our cool quotient wouldn't it... so if record companies are evil, and marketing is even more evil, maybe arista's doin' exactly the right thing (for us and for patti) by not promoting P&N.. yours in cynicism, s5 From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 9 05:32:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA15314 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 05:32:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from smtpgate.uvm.edu (smtpgate.uvm.edu [132.198.101.121]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id FAA15309 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 05:32:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thyme.uvm.edu (132.198.151.224) by smtpgate.uvm.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id <0.DA177960@smtpgate.uvm.edu>; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 8:32:17 -0400 Received: from THYME/SpoolDir by thyme.uvm.edu (Mercury 1.21); 9 Oct 97 08:31:53 GMT-5 Received: from SpoolDir by THYME (Mercury 1.30); 9 Oct 97 08:31:32 GMT-5 From: "Ron Jacobs" Organization: University of Vermont To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 08:31:22 EDT Subject: Re: Holiday Greetings! Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <3374BB86AC9@thyme.uvm.edu> Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ On the down side-this is the 30th anniversary of Che's murder.... > From: RobBob@webtv.net (Robert Stair) > Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 03:43:50 -0400 > To: babel@postmodern.com > Subject: Holiday Greetings! > Reply-to: babel-list@postmodern.com > Happy John Lennon's Birthday! > > Robert Stair > RobBob@webtv.net From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 9 06:00:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id GAA15402 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 06:00:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from bard.edu (sloan@bard.edu [192.246.229.11]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id GAA15397 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 06:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (sloan@localhost) by bard.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id IAA73230; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 08:59:25 -0400 X-Ident: IDENT protocol sender: sloan@localhost Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 08:59:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Tamela Sloan To: babel-list@postmodern.com cc: breeseg@mail.ripon.edu, ethiopium@aol.com Subject: Re: Journal: In Tomorrow's Berlin, What to Do With Yesterday? In-Reply-To: <9709088763.AA876336844@ccsmtp.risd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I know... Brad Pitt's smiling face scared me under the caption of Buddism,ever so trendy Tamela On Wed, 8 Oct 1997, Lynch, Mary wrote: > Ther is an cover article on Buddhism in America in the new TIme. > Rather Timeish, "America's fascination with Buddhism." How about > America's fascination with Christianity? And Brad Pitt as the > cover boy. sigh. Where's the Dali Lama? How about "America's > fscination with movies and money?" > Love, Moh > From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 9 06:14:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id GAA15444 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 06:14:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout02.mail.aol.com (emout02.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.93]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id GAA15439 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 06:13:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Ethiopium@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout02.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA26443 for babel@postmodern.com; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971009091250_1076056125@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: babel@postmodern.com Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #354 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Congrats Anthony! From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 9 06:40:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id GAA15524 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 06:40:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout19.mail.aol.com (emout19.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.45]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id GAA15516 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 06:40:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Ethiopium@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout19.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA12686 for babel@postmodern.com; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971009093918_1199230284@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: babel@postmodern.com Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #350 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ In a message dated 10/7/97 8:03:47 AM, you wrote: << And I'll cop to all of these, too... >> Yeah, I'll cop to the whole thing myself...... From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 9 07:08:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id HAA15630 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 07:08:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from IIGroup.com ([206.157.104.6]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id HAA15625 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 07:08:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by IIGroup.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 8625652B.004DBB47 ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:09:02 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: INC From: "Thomas W. Mohr" To: babel-list@postmodern.com Message-ID: <8625652B.004D6F40.00@IIGroup.com> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:08:59 -0500 Subject: Re: still going......... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ ><< Happy John Lennon's Birthday! --- 57 years ago. Ouch. >> > >imagine being still at it at 65! >yoko will be 65 this coming february 18th >and she's still rocking and screeching! >GoYokoGo! > >pw On John's birthday, I think of his song "Grow Old With Me", and maybe for a moment I get a glimpse at how much the world lost with his death. Tom 10-9 0905cdt From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 9 08:40:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id IAA15899 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 08:40:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from madison.interport.net (madison.interport.net [199.184.165.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id IAA15894 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 08:40:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from #dalynyc.interport.com (ts3port13.port.net [207.38.249.13]) by madison.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA19023 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <343CFB82.C1@interport.net> Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 11:42:59 -0400 From: jEdD X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: [3] Bashing References: <199710091216.FAA03773@smtp.well.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ sonic5 wrote: > if artists wanted to > toil away in poverty and obscurity, they'd never make demo tapes. > and i've yet to hear of musicians who were forced at > gunpoint to send that tape to a major record label's A&R department. > most artists want their work to be heard. Exactly. Just like Patti Smith. Remember the dozens of interviews she did last year? Remember her complaining about how hard it is to get airplay? Didn't she ask that WE call MTV requesting her video? > they like being able to afford luxuries like food. money from > record sales lets them do that. And there's nothing wrong with it. Most musicians, like the hundreds of bands in NY who have their own tapes made or cds pressed and sell them at their shows in local bars, would LOVE to have a big record company to promote them. I'm so sick of this naive idea that every business is inherently evil. > > yours in cynicism, > s5 Yeah! From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 9 10:21:10 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA16096 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:21:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from berzerk.rs.itd.umich.edu (root@berzerk.rs.itd.umich.edu [141.211.63.17]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id KAA16091 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:21:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from centipede.rs.itd.umich.edu by berzerk.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.6/3.0-mailhub) with ESMTP id NAA08301; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 13:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (birena@localhost) by centipede.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.6/4.0-client) with SMTP id NAA01531 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 13:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 13:21:02 -0400 (EDT) From: barbara nagler X-Sender: birena@centipede.rs.itd.umich.edu To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: twisted lyrics Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Alison, I like tethered sperm and twisted salmon bones at least as much as the real lyrics! irena From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 9 10:35:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA16144 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:35:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from berzerk.rs.itd.umich.edu (root@berzerk.rs.itd.umich.edu [141.211.63.17]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id KAA16139 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:35:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from centipede.rs.itd.umich.edu by berzerk.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.6/3.0-mailhub) with ESMTP id NAA12363; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 13:35:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (birena@localhost) by centipede.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.6/4.0-client) with SMTP id NAA04041 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 13:35:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 13:35:31 -0400 (EDT) From: barbara nagler X-Sender: birena@centipede.rs.itd.umich.edu To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: everything is twisted up together Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ RE-- the promo issue-- along with everything being "holy" it is all pretty horrifically intertwined, horrifically that is if we want clear and easy distinctions between "good and evil"-- Which a part of each of us probably would-- but fortunately or not it isn't that simple-- And one just has to try and go with a kind of animal instinct, step by step, to gauge things. A Synchronicity of Paper Dolls: I didn't think I would mention this and it's a bit trivial but speaking of intertwinings, I was amused to find the messages about paper dolls one morning, because the night before, the same evening someone had come up with the paper doll idea, they must have been in the air. I was at home and a friend was over. Years ago some photographs had been taken at a dance gathering that I do, and a couple of us made little cutouts of dancing friends and stuck them all over pieces of paper and some were on my wall. A little figure had fallen on the floor, and that night my friend picked up the little fallen human and said, "you really should put these on some kind of backing and make dolls that can be moved around". Then next morning I tuned in here and people were talking about paper dolls. "Be a gathering and Don't be led away"-- a good balance there and not an easy one ... About Bjork's album-- it's another one where I don't really have a favorite and find them all really full of integrity and also intertwined on the album. She's such a wonderful character-- reminds me of a childhood friend-- and I get the feeling that may be just something she does easily, reminding people of childhood friends. ("let's get out of this party, it's getting boring, we can go down to the harbor, jump between the boats, go out to this island, bring my little ghetto blaster, there's more to life than this") enough blathering for one day, Irena From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 9 11:39:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA16275 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:39:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from madison.interport.net (madison.interport.net [199.184.165.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id LAA16270 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:38:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from #dalynyc.interport.com (ts4port54.port.net [207.38.249.182]) by madison.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA10116 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <343D256B.3C3C@interport.net> Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 14:41:47 -0400 From: jEdD X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: twisted lyrics References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ barbara nagler wrote: > > Alison, I like tethered sperm and twisted salmon bones at least as > much as the real lyrics! irena Me too. I kind of like the fact that Horses had no lyric sheet. I hear different words every time I listen to it, especially Land,even after all these years. I"m always hearing the wrong words. I still think the Go Go's are singing "Honest Lucille" instead of "our lips are sealed"... From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 9 11:46:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA16318 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:46:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from minnie.risd.edu (minnie.risd.edu [207.87.132.102]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id LAA16308 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:44:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.190.22.15] by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA06133; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:55:29 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA876436007 Thu, 09 Oct 97 15:26:47 EST Date: Thu, 09 Oct 97 15:26:47 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9709098764.AA876436007@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: babel@postmodern.com, babel-digest@server.postmodern.com Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #353 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Hey I'm sorry about that totally off topic message about the cover of TIme, I accidently sent it to a lot of people, who I realized this morning also just hit reply and are probably sending back to the babel list so I REALLY apologize for that one. Ciao, Mary From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 9 11:47:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA16364 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:47:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from minnie.risd.edu (minnie.risd.edu [207.87.132.102]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id LAA16313 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:45:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.190.22.15] by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA16136; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:57:07 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA876436009 Thu, 09 Oct 97 15:26:49 EST Date: Thu, 09 Oct 97 15:26:49 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9709098764.AA876436009@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re[2]: [2] Lyrics Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Over El Topo good one From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 9 12:17:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA16512 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:17:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from chronicle.com (mail.chronicle.com [149.80.1.249]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id MAA16507 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:17:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael.Solomon@chronicle.com Received: from chron-mail.chronicle.com by chronicle.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA27566; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:07:59 -0400 Received: by chron-mail.chronicle.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 8525652B.006A1CB4 ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:19:01 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: CHRONICLE To: babel-list@postmodern.com Message-Id: <8525652B.00698421.00@chron-mail.chronicle.com> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:18:59 -0400 Subject: Patti on the charts?/Magazines Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Has anyone heard the current chart position for Peace & Noise? I searched Billboard Online this morning -- they had just posted the new Top 100 albums rankings (with Stones and Dylan in the top 10), but Patti wasn't in the top 100. Has anyone seen the full Top 200 to see if Patti made the charts? -- Michael p.s. Just got the new US with Courtney Love on the cover. In the interview, Courtney cites Patti and Exene (don't know if I'm spelling this correctly) as her archetypal influences. Also on the Courtney/Patti/magazine front, the premiere issue of Jane (Drew Barrymore on the cover) reviews the Lilith Fair festival and dreams up its wish-list for next year's festival: Patti Smith, Hole, Bikini Kill, L7, and a few other bands. From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 9 12:20:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA16551 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:20:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout11.mail.aol.com (emout11.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.26]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id MAA16546 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:20:25 -0700 (PDT) From: TMPJAccas@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout11.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA29836 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971009151832_1148225631@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Patti Gathering tonight! Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Greets...this is for all those people who are lucky (or unlucky) enough to have AOL...just a reminder that there will be a patti room tonight in MEMBERS rooms, Arts and Entertainment, Peace and Noise. It should be open at aprox. 9pm eastern time. Hope to see you all there... ~~Mike From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 9 15:44:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id PAA17154 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:44:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from minnie.risd.edu (minnie.risd.edu [207.87.132.102]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id PAA17149 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:44:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.190.22.15] by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA14943; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 18:56:26 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA876450597 Thu, 09 Oct 97 19:29:57 EST Date: Thu, 09 Oct 97 19:29:57 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9709098764.AA876450597@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Patti Gathering tonight! Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ OH damn, I have to go out tonight - if I get home early enough I'll try to join you all. Be a gathering. Love, Mary From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 9 16:28:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id QAA17259 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:28:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.92]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id QAA17254 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:28:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-122.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.90]) by mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id QAA22394; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/mt.graham.14Aug97) id QAA24828; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:28:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710092328.QAA24828@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> From: DBaer@webtv.net (David Baer) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 19:28:25 -0400 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: twisted lyrics Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ When Horses was first released, as you know, there were no lyrics included. Deciphering Patti's lyrics was a major challenge. I wish I could remember some of the fractured stuff we came up with (nothing came close to the salmon/sperm thing!!!). Then a friend sent me a series of handwrittten postcards, each bearing the accurate lyrics to a different song. "...melting in a pot of thieves.." Pure amazement as the truth unfolded, practically from the first line of the first song. Its something I've always liked best about Patti's music, her unique (South Jersey) pronunciation along with her use of language. Even if the lyrics do come with a recording of hers I probably would refer to them very sparingly because I still get so much pleasure out of struggling to understand her. -D. From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 9 16:32:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id QAA17309 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:32:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.92]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id QAA17304 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:32:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-122.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.90]) by mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id QAA24884; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/mt.graham.14Aug97) id QAA25989; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710092332.QAA25989@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> From: DBaer@webtv.net (David Baer) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 19:32:27 -0400 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: still going......... Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ HAPPY BIRTHDAY JOHN LENNON GO YOKO GO!!!!!!!!!!!!! From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 9 16:36:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id QAA17349 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:36:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from UPIMSRGSMTP09 (upimsrgsmtp09.msn.com [207.68.152.53]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id QAA17344 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:36:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from upmajb08 - 204.95.110.71 by msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:35:32 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 97 23:34:10 UT From: "Thomas (I only tell people I like)" Message-Id: To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: RE: Patti Gathering tonight! Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ > OH damn, I have to go out tonight - if I get home early enough > I'll try to join you all. Be a gathering. > Love, Mary I think I missed something(wouldn't be the first time either), what's this referring to? From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 9 17:19:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id RAA17561 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:19:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from m3.boston.juno.com (m3.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.198]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id RAA17556 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from toddmcgovern@juno.com) by m3.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id USM07015; Thu, 09 Oct 1997 20:18:52 EDT To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 20:32:11 -0400 Subject: "Be a Gathering" Message-ID: <19971009.203212.8886.0.toddmcgovern@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1 From: toddmcgovern@juno.com (Todd S McGovern) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ a bad hippie sentiment... From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 9 17:27:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id RAA17614 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:27:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from sun.tir.com (sun.tir.com [205.138.41.6]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id RAA17608 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:27:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jswanson.tir.com (so18.tir.com [205.218.84.134]) by sun.tir.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA13558 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 20:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <343D7605.15DB8744@tir.com> Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 20:25:42 -0400 From: Jenifer Swanson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Patti Gathering tonight! X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Nine oclock gathering on AOL of Patti fans...under Arts and Entertainment I believe..... From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 9 17:47:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id RAA17789 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:47:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from iglou1 (exim@iglou1.iglou.com [192.107.41.3]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id RAA17766 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gustavus by iglou1 with smtp (8.7.3/8.6.12) id 0xJTEq-0000UY-00; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 20:47:32 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 20:47:28 -0400 (EDT) From: IHCOYC XPICTOC X-Sender: gustavus@iglou1 To: "babel-list@postmodern.com" Subject: Tales from the Dead Cat Lounge (was: Lyrics) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ On Wed, 8 Oct 1997, Robert Byler wrote: > cool with Bjork but that new Portishead album is pretty cool. > Allison I too noticed the "cat" cat in Dont Say Nothing and also some cat > stuff in Memento Mori about swinging a cat around over his head or > something. Hum...skined cats in a river and people swinging cats by the > tail... what does it all mean? Lets hope PETA doesnt get involved with > this. I thought it was some kind of "Huckleberry Finn" type reference. I think this was the one, wasn't it, where Mark Twain talks -in extenso- about wart remedies, the most elaborate of which involved swinging a dead cat by a string attached to its tail in a graveyard at midnight. There probably was an incantation --- there always is --- which I forget. For those who cannot tolerate such a potent remedy, stumpwater is also supposed to be effective. When I was growing up, most of the children's traditional grossout lore was called "dead cat tales," largely because so many of them involved either the demise of felines, or things to do with their corpses. A lot of them are now what's known as "urban legends." I suspect the lyrics have something to do either with Huck Finn --- which kinda makes sense in the context of -Memento Mori- --- or maybe it's just something she heard when she was a kid? IHCOYC XPICTOC http://members.iglou.com/gustavus gustavus(at)iglou.com + Vibrabimus volvemurque usque ad reditum boum. + + NOLI Sancta sunt flumina arcana lacrimarum subter vias. ABDUCI + **** This message has been placed here by the Tijuana Bible Society **** From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 9 17:50:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id RAA17848 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:50:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from UPIMSRGSMTP08 (upimsrgsmtp08.msn.com [207.68.152.52]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id RAA17843 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from upmajb02.msn.com - 204.95.110.74 by msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:49:43 -0700 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 97 00:47:50 UT From: "Thomas (I only tell people I like)" Message-Id: To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: RE: Patti Gathering tonight! Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ >Nine oclock gathering on AOL of Patti fans...under Arts and >Entertainment I believe..... I don't have AOL, but thanks anyway tom From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 9 20:39:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id UAA18213 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 20:39:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout13.mail.aol.com (emout13.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.39]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id UAA18208 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 20:39:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Bluemuse@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA23197 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 23:38:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 23:38:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971009233630_-1627763740@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Lyrics Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ In a message dated 10/9/97 12:54:46 PM, you wrote: >There have been some of >Patti's songs which I heard incorrectly before I found out what the real >lyrics were, and then I would keep hearing the wrong lyrics even when I >knew what the actual words were. This has happened to me, too. Now I tend to give credit to Patti for *two* sets of lyrics for some songs, the real ones and the ones I imagined. --Bob Farace From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 9 20:54:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id UAA18265 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 20:54:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout13.mail.aol.com (emout13.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.39]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id UAA18260 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 20:54:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Bluemuse@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA06511 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 23:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 23:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971009235116_-26144278@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: thanks Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ In a message dated 10/9/97 12:11:03 PM, you wrote: >Pardon my ignorance (and sneer, if you will) but who is Klaus Nomi? I sneer not. He's not a common name, I guess. I believe he sang backup for Bowie at one time and then went solo, putting out two or three albums (which are not easy to find), I think. He had operatic training. He dressed in large, very angular clothes and had very dramatic makeup (which is why the new Bjork album reminded me of him). Somewhere recently I saw a very short segment of video footage of him. He died several years ago, I believe of AIDS. I'm sure other list members probably have more info on him. --Bob Farace From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 9 21:30:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id VAA18382 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 21:30:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.136.72]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id VAA18377 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 21:30:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA06920 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 21:08:17 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 21:08:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re:cmj music site In-Reply-To: <971009235116_-26144278@emout13.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ has a nice review of Peace and Noise and you can hear clips of Waiting Underground and Blue Poles http://www.cmjmusic.com/Newpicks/cmj.html robert From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 10 03:39:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id DAA20749 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 03:39:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com (emout06.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.97]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id DAA20744 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 03:39:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Aug1st1892@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id GAA10721 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 06:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 06:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971010063902_742909729@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: babel-list@postmodern.com Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ stop From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 10 04:37:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id EAA20851 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 04:37:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from madison.interport.net (madison.interport.net [199.184.165.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id EAA20846 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 04:37:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from #dalynyc.interport.com (ts3port30.port.net [207.38.249.30]) by madison.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA11049 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 07:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <343E1410.1307@interport.net> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 07:40:00 -0400 From: jEdD X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: cmj music site References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Robert Byler wrote: > > has a nice review of Peace and Noise and you can hear clips of Waiting > Underground and Blue Poles > > http://www.cmjmusic.com/Newpicks/cmj.html > > robert I'm glad that the album is getting rave reviews...and really glad that cmj liked it. But ... it really irritates me when reviewers don't have a clue...many songs written by Tony Shanahan? Sounds like REM? AAarrrgghh! From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 10 10:27:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA21755 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:27:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com (emout06.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.97]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id KAA21746 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:27:42 -0700 (PDT) From: GoRimbaud@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA01248 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971010132534_-528608383@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: klaus nomi titles Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ here's 3 klaus nomi titles that i have on cd: 1. klaus nomi 2. simple man 3. encore they are on rca/bmg. i got them in paris several years back i am sure you can find them domestically my best, phillip From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 10 11:08:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA21947 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:08:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from portal.west.saic.com (portal.west.saic.com [198.151.12.15]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id EAA20889 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 04:45:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cphub.mail.saic.com by portal.west.saic.com via smtpd (for kristeva.postmodern.com [198.102.244.54]) with SMTP; 10 Oct 1997 11:45:32 UT Received: from cpqm.mail.saic.com by cpmx.mail.saic.com; Fri, 10 Oct 97 04:45:28 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 10 Oct 1997 07:40:31 -0800 From: "Steve Kenney" Subject: Re: "Be a Gathering" To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ >>>a bad hippie sentiment...<<< meaning, a bad sentiment of a hippie nature, or a sentiment from a naughty hippie? : ) perhaps a bit pie-eyed, i'll grant you, but even after all these years in Washington DC, i can't say *all* the idealism has been beaten out of me, i think its an admirable sentiment if put to the right use... skenney From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 10 11:51:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA22192 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:51:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from minnie.risd.edu (minnie.risd.edu [207.87.132.102]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id LAA22187 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:51:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.190.22.15] by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA27453; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:03:55 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA876523062 Fri, 10 Oct 97 15:37:42 EST Date: Fri, 10 Oct 97 15:37:42 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9709108765.AA876523062@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re[2]: "Be a Gathering" Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Yeah, what's a good alternative? Be an isolated TV watcher. Fuck everyone else. Hold on to your cynicism. Be John Wayne. From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 10 13:17:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id NAA22447 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:17:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net (italy-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.18]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id NAA22442 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jbob (1Cust107.tnt5.chi5.da.uu.net [153.36.139.107]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA22366 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971010201504.0067b4a8@earthlink.net> X-Sender: thoslichen@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:15:04 -0500 To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: thos lichen Subject: Re: klaus nomi titles Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ there's also a live version of "Total Eclipse" on the _URGH! A Music War_ soundtrack. the rumor that went around when i was in high school was that Klaus was actually a castrato. Maybe it's even true--he's sure freaky! (and ya don't have have to return post that freaky is good--I know that already! ;) ) thos.- >here's 3 klaus nomi titles that i have on cd: > 1. klaus nomi > 2. simple man > 3. encore >they are on rca/bmg. >i got them in paris several years back >i am sure you can find them domestically >my best, >phillip > > From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 10 14:08:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id OAA22580 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 14:08:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout20.mail.aol.com (emout20.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.46]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id OAA22575 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 14:08:34 -0700 (PDT) From: ThomFurr@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout20.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id RAA10653 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971010170623_728944904@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: klaus nomi titles Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ He actually put-out (uh, hem) a CD, called "Encore." Somehow, for some reason, I have it. ...and the real rumor is not that he was a castrata (this is fact, my dear!), but that he and Nina Hagen were siblings (both having inherited a certain type of dysphoria). (Truly, though, he is cited as being the first "known"--ie, in the public eye--individual to die from complications due to AIDS.) From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 10 14:27:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id OAA22633 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 14:27:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from guelah.nexen.com (guelah.nexen.com [204.249.96.19]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id OAA22628 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 14:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maelstrom.nexen.com (maelstrom.nexen.com [204.249.99.5]) by guelah.nexen.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA11873 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:27:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phish.nexen.com (phish.nexen.com [204.249.99.14]) by maelstrom.nexen.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA22012 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [204.249.97.97] (bk.nexen.com [204.249.97.97]) by phish.nexen.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA18494 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:27:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: kendall@pop Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:27:17 -0500 To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: kendall@nexen.com (Brian Kendall) Subject: Re: klaus nomi titles Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ And bringing this back around to PSG, didn't Richard Sohl play with Nina Hagen? >He actually put-out (uh, hem) a CD, called "Encore." Somehow, for some >reason, I have it. > >...and the real rumor is not that he was a castrata (this is fact, my dear!), >but that he and Nina Hagen were siblings (both having inherited a certain >type of dysphoria). > >(Truly, though, he is cited as being the first "known"--ie, in the public >eye--individual to die from complications due to AIDS.) From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 10 18:14:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id SAA23146 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:14:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from spacelab.net (mta@spacelab.net [206.42.130.4]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id SAA23140 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:13:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.42.131.63] by spacelab.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11397) with SMTP id AAA8729 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:13:25 -0400 Subject: Re "Be a Gathering" Date: Fri, 10 Oct 97 20:16:24 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "Alison Armstrong" To: "babel-list@postmodern.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <19971011011322.AAA8729@[206.42.131.63]> Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I agree, Mary, if "Be a Gathering" is just some "bad hippie sentiment," then what is the alternative? Cynicism can be useful at times--I am very cynical about institutions such as the so-called "health care'system, for example. It can protect you, letting you discern deception so you can fight back and avoid being "led away." But I think it can also fossilize you if you become so guarded, so derisive and intellectually detached that you are unable to believe in your feelings or your former ideals. "Be a Gathering " may represent a chic-less, unrealistic vision, but it's a vision which helps keep the world from being only a place of pollution, blight, skinned cats, and irredeemable decripitude. Alison From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 10 18:35:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id SAA23211 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:35:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.136.72]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id SAA23206 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:35:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA06339 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:34:21 -0700 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:34:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: "babel-list@postmodern.com" Subject: Re: Re "Be a Gathering" In-Reply-To: <19971011011322.AAA8729@[206.42.131.63]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ i thought it was a pagen type phrase. didnt hippies die in 1968 in Golden Gate PArk...what was that death to the hippie thing all about? i now like peace and noise better than gone again. but i still think fireflies is the best of the best. and Dont Smoke In Bed robert From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 10 19:07:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id TAA23286 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 19:07:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from madison.interport.net (madison.interport.net [199.184.165.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id TAA23281 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 19:07:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phantom (usrts2port1.port.net [207.237.104.65]) by madison.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA07667; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 22:07:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: BeyondMail for Windows/SMTP 2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: LK Grier Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 22:05:50 -0700 X-BeyondMail-Priority: 1 Message-Id: Conversation-Id: Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Message from Patti's mom: Patti will be at CBGB's 10/28 thru 10/31! No longer wondering where I'll be Halloweening! (My answering machine feels so special!!!!) :} lkg From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 10 19:55:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id TAA23382 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 19:55:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mailsorter-101.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.91]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id TAA23377 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 19:55:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-122.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.90]) by mailsorter-101.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id TAA20991; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 19:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/mt.graham.14Aug97) id TAA29097; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 19:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710110255.TAA29097@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> From: DBaer@webtv.net (David Baer) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 22:55:35 -0400 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: (no subject) Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Hi. I just read your message on babel-list and I'm so excited that I can hardly type! Is Patti really going to be at CBGB's???? Unbelieveable! Do you know anything about tickets...? Back in the seventies, you just called and made a "reservation". So I don't have any idea how to get in. Probably the last time I was there was sometime back then, seeing Patti! This is almost as big a shock as when she played in the middle of Washington Street in Hoboken -- I live in Hoboken. What do I have to do to get Patti's mom to call me too?!!!!! Please e-mail me back, I'm dying to know if you have more details! Thanks! -David. From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 10 20:42:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id UAA23477 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 20:42:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from onyx.interactive.net (root@onyx.interactive.net [208.192.224.6]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id UAA23472 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 20:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [208.192.234.100] (host000.nyc.interactive.net [208.192.234.100]) by onyx.interactive.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA29555 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 23:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 23:44:12 -0500 To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: jonathan kaye Subject: Re: Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ >Message from Patti's mom: Patti will be at CBGB's 10/28 thru 10/31! >No longer wondering where I'll be Halloweening! > >(My answering machine feels so special!!!!) > > :} lkg aaarrgghhh. sometimes new york is a frustrating place to be patti, yo la tengo, janes addiction (w/ goldie), lee scratch perry all playing the same night(s). yeah, i know it's a high class problem but there *are* 365 days in the year that they could come to town. jon From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 10 21:18:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id VAA23555 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:18:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from access.netaxs.com (mail@access.netaxs.com [207.8.186.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id VAA23550 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:18:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix3.netaxs.com (mail@unix3.netaxs.com [207.8.186.5]) by access.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA08406 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 00:18:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Anthony J. Rzepela" Received: (from rzepelaa@localhost) by unix3.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA04284 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 00:18:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710110418.AAA04284@unix3.netaxs.com> Subject: Death Singing To: babel-list@postmodern.com (babel-list) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 00:18:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I'm finally getting to hear this for the first time. Got-DAMN! From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 10 22:36:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id WAA23748 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 22:36:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from spacelab.net (mta@spacelab.net [206.42.130.4]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id TAA23397 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 19:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.42.131.100] by spacelab.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11397) with SMTP id AAA17613 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 22:55:38 -0400 Subject: CBGB's Date: Fri, 10 Oct 97 21:58:38 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "Alison Armstrong" To: "babel-list@postmodern.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <19971011025536.AAA17613@[206.42.131.100]> Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Thanks, L.K. Grier, for the wonderful news about Patti being at CBGB's. Do you know what time the show is? what time does the door open? do you get advance tickets? (By the way, it was nice meeting you in the line at the Leonard Street Patti promo party.) Alison From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 11 00:16:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id AAA25646 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 00:16:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from sierra.onr.com (sierra.onr.com [199.1.90.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id AAA25641 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 00:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wilson.onr.com ([207.200.34.178]) by sierra.onr.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA25158 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 02:16:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971011021611.00724948@popserver.panix.com> X-Sender: neslon@popserver.panix.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 02:16:11 -0500 To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: Wilson Smith Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=====_Eudora-PGP-Plugin18457==_"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; PGPFormat="PGPMIME-signed" Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ --=====_Eudora-PGP-Plugin18457==_ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:44 PM 10/10/97 -0500, you wrote: >>Message from Patti's mom: Patti will be at CBGB's 10/28 thru 10/31! >>No longer wondering where I'll be Halloweening! >> >>(My answering machine feels so special!!!!) >> >> :} lkg > >aaarrgghhh. sometimes new york is a frustrating place to be >patti, yo la tengo, janes addiction (w/ goldie), lee scratch perry all >playing the same night(s). yeah, i know it's a high class problem but there >*are* 365 days in the year that they could come to town. Where and where is/are YLT? W --=====_Eudora-PGP-Plugin18457==_ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 MessageID: UVU74xQiVvVhG+hLCwkvFTPuhbVcK7k/ iQA/AwUBND8nwsHShe0hHQhTEQJuwgCdG7g3ZysrRXu0day8C/HAhMVfZXUAoNA2 NimrzNP8gX6TwJAQfL6tGJex =jpBM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=====_Eudora-PGP-Plugin18457==_-- From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 11 01:23:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id BAA25870 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 01:23:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from students (students.su.se [130.237.89.5]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id BAA25865 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 01:22:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sigmund by students (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA23003; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:21:42 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971011102152.006a15c4@students.su.se> X-Sender: m69lb35e@students.su.se X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:21:52 +0100 To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: Lars Brusell Subject: Re: Lyrics Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ >As I think someone else mentioned awhile ago=20 >regarding mishread lyrics, the "wild, wild" refrain in "Ask the Angels"=20 >sounded to me like "quaaludes, qualudes."=20 Yeah, and I read an article on Patti Smith in a swedish journal of psychoanalysis where the author misinterpreted this same line as "Fido! Fido!" - Patti calling for her dog! :)=20 LARS. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Lars Brusell tel. +46-(0)8-645 01 46 c/o Wahlberg =09 Ringdansv=E4gen 5B m69lb35e@students.su.se 126 33 H=E4gersten SWEDEN http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/2286 --Everyone is entitled to my opinions ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 11 05:42:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA26482 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 05:42:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from madison.interport.net (madison.interport.net [199.184.165.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id FAA26477 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 05:42:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from #dalynyc.interport.com (ts3port8.port.net [207.38.249.8]) by madison.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA23191 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 08:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <343F74D0.18C0@interport.net> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 08:45:04 -0400 From: jEdD X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: References: <3.0.3.32.19971011021611.00724948@popserver.panix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Wilson Smith wrote: > Where and where is/are YLT? > > W > Westbeth Theater...10/30 through 11/2, I thought...but dates could be off. From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 11 06:10:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id GAA26545 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 06:10:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com (brickbat8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.11]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id GAA26540 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 06:10:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (user-38lcfil.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.62.85]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA15623 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 09:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 09:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971011090520.3f373998@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: eltyger@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" Subject: Re: DNV (was "klaus nomi titles") Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 0039 EDT // Sat 11 Oct 97 // BklnNYC DNV did play with Nina Hagen for a time. One Tour maybe? 1983? 1984? 1985? Something like that. And, at least occasionally, with Others - Holly Beth Vincent, I think... *************************************************************** >Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:27:17 -0500 >To: babel-list@postmodern.com >From: kendall@nexen.com (Brian Kendall) >Subject: Re: klaus nomi titles ... >And bringing this back around to PSG, didn't Richard Sohl >play with Nina Hagen? >... *************************************************************** --// eLTyger --// /*RESPECT FOR THE ELECTRON(S)*/ --// /*SACRED LIGHTNING/ DANCE THE WORLD*/ From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 11 07:42:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id HAA26641 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 07:42:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from spacelab.net (mta@spacelab.net [206.42.130.4]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id HAA26636 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 07:42:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.42.131.2] by spacelab.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11397) with SMTP id AAA1923 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:41:48 -0400 Subject: Re:Lyrics Date: Sat, 11 Oct 97 09:44:48 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "Alison Armstrong" To: "babel-list@postmodern.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <19971011144146.AAA1923@[206.42.131.2]> Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Lars, great story about the Sweidsh psychoanalysis journal interpreting "wwild, wild" as "Fido! fido!" I'm very curious--what else did the article say about Patti? What were some of the psychoanalytic conclusions the author deduced about her? I'd love to read a translated version of this article! My step-brother sent me a piece in the Sept/Oct Spy magazine called "The Incomprehensible Patti Smith Tribute" (p. 17). In this, Spy takes a few sentences out of Patti's poems and lyrics from 1971 to 1997, I guess to try to show Patti as silly or something. Of course, it takes lines out of context. Among the fragments are lines from a poem about Sam Shepard in a 1971 Creem, a section of "Jukebox CruciFix" and a recent poem aboout Ginsbberg. Pretty lame attempt to be funny, in my opinion, but at least the authors must have found Patti interesting enough to look up some of her less known work. Alison From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 11 10:02:05 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA26827 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:02:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from access.netaxs.com (mail@access.netaxs.com [207.8.186.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id JAA26797 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 09:59:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix3.netaxs.com (mail@unix3.netaxs.com [207.8.186.5]) by access.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA10511 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 12:58:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Anthony J. Rzepela" Received: (from rzepelaa@localhost) by unix3.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA09068 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 12:58:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710111658.MAA09068@unix3.netaxs.com> Subject: P&N: No producer? To: babel-list@postmodern.com (babel-list) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 12:58:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I'm not seeing any production credit in this booklet. So I guess it's up to congratulating the "recorded by" guy for making it sound so great at top volume... From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 11 10:10:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA26851 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:10:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id KAA26846 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:10:09 -0700 (PDT) From: TimJDF@aol.com Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com (emout04.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.95]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id KAA11126 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:07:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA06237 for babel@postmodern.com; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 12:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 12:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971011124321_1788316898@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: babel@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Klaus Nomi Titles Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ In a message dated 10/11/97 1*10*11, you wrote: >....and the real rumor is not that he was a castrata (this is fact, my dear!), >but that he and Nina Hagen were siblings (both having inherited a certain >type of dysphoria). Well, Nina is certainly not related to Klaus, though they may have shared the same makeup artist at one time. . . Tim! From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 11 10:29:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA26929 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:29:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from madison.interport.net (madison.interport.net [199.184.165.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id KAA26924 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from #dalynyc.interport.com (ts3port60.port.net [207.38.249.60]) by madison.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA06105 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 13:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <343FB819.4AE8@interport.net> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 13:32:09 -0400 From: jEdD X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: LP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I got the Peace & Noise vinyl today... Same tracks as the cd, in the same order. I haven't had a chance to listen to it yet (turntable is broken...). The cover is a bit disappointing, because there's no booklet with photos/lyrics in it. The front cover of the ablum is the crumbling church photo, with the rosary beads on the wall as the back cover. The inside sleeve has the patti-on-the-bed photo on one side. The reverse side is black, with song listing/credits etc. ...but its still patti for nine bucks! From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 11 11:32:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA27010 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 11:32:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout18.mail.aol.com (emout18.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id LAA27005 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 11:32:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Bluemuse@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout18.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA21841 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 14:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 14:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971011143135_-193363624@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: P&N: No producer? Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ >I'm not seeing any production credit in this booklet. I've seen it mentioned in several places that the album is self-produced by Patti and the band. --Bob Farace From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 11 11:33:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA27038 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 11:33:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from sun.tir.com (sun.tir.com [205.138.41.6]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id LAA27029 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 11:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jswanson.tir.com (so22.tir.com [205.218.84.138]) by sun.tir.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA28674 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 14:32:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <343FC600.9F9733AC@tir.com> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 14:31:29 -0400 From: Jenifer Swanson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: P&N: No producer? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199710111658.MAA09068@unix3.netaxs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ The production of P&N, I find really awful. I will say that I know nothing about production from a technical standpoint. It just sounds terribly "muddy" to me :( Love and laughter jenifer ps I am free to change my mind in the future... From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 11 15:06:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id PAA27630 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:06:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from madison.interport.net (madison.interport.net [199.184.165.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id PAA27625 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:06:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phantom (usrts1port30.port.net [207.237.104.30]) by madison.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA19464; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 18:05:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: BeyondMail for Windows/SMTP 2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit To: DBaer@webtv.net From: LK Grier Subject: Re: CBGB's (was: no subject) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 18:00:55 -0700 X-BeyondMail-Priority: 1 Message-Id: Conversation-Id: <199710110255.TAA29097@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: <199710110255.TAA29097@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> Cc: babel-list@postmodern.com Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I don't have the number for CBGB's or any more details yet. I kinda doubt if CB's takes reservations, but try! (Let us know if you find out anything.) All I did to get Patti's mom to call was send a note to the fan club (PHTP, PO Box 188, Mantua, NJ 08051) asking if there was a mailing list for local events! What a sweetie! (I'm saving the message until I can record it...is that sappy or what?) :} lkg > From: DBaer@webtv.net (David Baer), on 10/10/97 10:55 PM: > Hi. I just read your message on babel-list and I'm so excited that I can > hardly type! Is Patti really going to be at CBGB's???? Unbelieveable! > Do you know anything about tickets...? Back in the seventies, you just > called and made a "reservation". So I don't have any idea how to get in. > Probably the last time I was there was sometime back then, seeing Patti! > This is almost as big a shock as when she played in the middle of > Washington Street in Hoboken -- I live in Hoboken. What do I have to > do to get Patti's mom to call me too?!!!!! Please e-mail me back, I'm > dying to know if you have more details! Thanks! > -David. From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 11 15:27:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id PAA27681 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:27:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from madison.interport.net (madison.interport.net [199.184.165.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id PAA27676 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phantom (usrts1port30.port.net [207.237.104.30]) by madison.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA20160 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 18:27:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: BeyondMail for Windows/SMTP 2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: LKG Subject: Publicity Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 18:24:57 -0700 X-BeyondMail-Priority: 1 Message-Id: Conversation-Id: Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I've been listening to Peace & Noise, which took me a while to get into, but now I'm playing it repeatedly, loving it. And I've been thinking what a personal and serious piece of work it is. It's occurred to me that maybe it was appropriately not subjected to the hype and noise (no peace) attending big music-biz rollouts. Maybe it couldn't have been done with the suits looking on (as many here have said). I'm beginning to feel foolish for being so mad at Arista for not promoting the hell out of Patti. I'd be very interested to know if Patti (or "her people") have expressed opinions on this. (Fiona?) :} lkg From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 11 16:35:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id QAA27950 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 16:35:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from spacelab.net (mta@spacelab.net [206.42.130.4]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id QAA27945 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 16:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.42.131.27] by spacelab.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11397) with SMTP id AAA10626 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 19:35:26 -0400 Subject: Gotham Goodies Date: Sat, 11 Oct 97 18:38:25 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "Alison Armstrong" To: "babel-list@postmodern.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <19971011233524.AAA10626@[206.42.131.27]> Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I was at the Gotham Book Mart today and, as can be expected, found some great Patti stuff. One was a signed uncorrected proof of Early Work. There are some changes in poem order and the lines of writing are arranged differently on the page in several cases. Probably there are other changes as well, but those are the things I noticed right away. I also picked up a signed copy of the Chronicles of Disorder Patti issue and a signed promo for Patti's "Rock and Rimbaud" reading at the Veith Turske Gallery that has a photo of Patti on one side and a copy of her "devotions to Arthur Rimbaud" accomopanied by one of her drawings. Among the many things for sale were signed copies of Nick Johnstone's biography of Patti. .According to Andy Brown, Patti came into the store and signed a whole bunch of them recently. He also said that Patti has just signed a contract for a new book. I'd never been to Gotham before even though I've been in NY for several months now; I didn't go earlier because I was afraid I'd see lots of things I wanted to buy which I couldn't afford. There were many wonderful things there that were beyond my budget, such as a copy of Ha Ha, Houdini with the key lock, but there were many other affordable items. I was surprised that the store had multiple copies of several of the items. Andy was very helpful. In the gallery of the store there's an excellent exhibit of Edward Gorey's work on display now also. Alison From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 11 16:48:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id QAA28050 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 16:48:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from zeus.carroll.com (zeus.carroll.com [199.224.10.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id QAA28045 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 16:48:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [199.224.10.158] [199.224.10.158] by zeus.carroll.com with SMTP (8.8.5/0) id TAA26247; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 19:48:14 -0400 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 19:48:14 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: prod@carroll.com (Elvis) Subject: Re: (no subject) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ >Hi. I just read your message on babel-list and I'm so excited that I can >hardly type! Is Patti really going to be at CBGB's???? Unbelieveable! >Do you know anything about tickets...? Back in the seventies, you just >called and made a "reservation". So I don't have any idea how to get in. >Probably the last time I was there was sometime back then, seeing Patti! >This is almost as big a shock as when she played in the middle of >Washington Street in Hoboken -- I live in Hoboken. What do I have to >do to get Patti's mom to call me too?!!!!! Please e-mail me back, I'm >dying to know if you have more details! Thanks! >-David. Tickets go on sale Thursday the 23rd at noon. They are $15 for each show except the 31st which is $20 because it's a benefit. I don't know if there will be a ticket limit. All I can say is: Save some tickets for me! P. From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 11 17:18:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id RAA28141 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 17:18:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from brickbat9.mindspring.com (brickbat9.mindspring.com [207.69.200.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id RAA28136 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 17:18:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (user-38lcfnc.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.62.236]) by brickbat9.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA09417 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 20:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 20:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971011201255.491712f8@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: eltyger@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" Subject: Re: CBGBs Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 1943 EDT // Sat 11 Oct 97 // BklnNYC A call to CBGBs (212) 982-4052: "Nothing is Confirmed yet. Call after Wednesday (15 Oct 97)" [Suggesting it'll likely be advertised in next weeks *VV*, which appears Tuesday night the 14th in lower Manhattan.] "If all goes well we'll be selling tickets in advance - probably $15-$20 each." Ticket capacity is around 300-350 per show. If You want to be up front inside, You need to arrive in line early. *************************************************************** >To: babel-list@postmodern.com >From: LK Grier >Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 22:05:50 -0700 ... >Message from Patti's mom: Patti will be at CBGB's >10/28 thru 10/31! >No longer wondering where I'll be Halloweening! > >(My answering machine feels so special!!!!) > > :} lkg *************************************************************** Get ready to order tickets at about noon on the 15th. --// eLTyger --// /*RESPECT FOR THE ELECTRON(S)*/ --// /*SACRED LIGHTNING/ DANCE THE WORLD*/ From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 11 19:00:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id TAA28368 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 19:00:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from spacelab.net (mta@spacelab.net [206.42.130.4]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id TAA28363 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 19:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.42.131.64] by spacelab.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11397) with SMTP id AAA20496 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 21:59:48 -0400 Subject: Stupid computer question Date: Sat, 11 Oct 97 21:02:47 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "Alison Armstrong" To: "babel-list@postmodern.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <19971012015945.AAA20496@[206.42.131.64]> Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Although I've had this computer for about 1 1/2 years and I took some basic computer courses, I still don't know how to save something from the internet onto the hard drive. i've been trying to save that Patti photo, (i guess it's supposed to be a screen saver? ) at the Sessions site, but so far all i've managed to save is some mumbo-jumbo Simple text description of the picture instead of the picture itself. I also tried to print it and only succeeded in printing the small color picture that, at the site, is animated. If anyone could explain to me how to save this photo and maybe even use it as a screensaver, I would greatly appreciate it. I have a Macintosh computer, by the way. Alison From babel-list-owner Sat Oct 11 19:06:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id TAA28415 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 19:06:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from madison.interport.net (madison.interport.net [199.184.165.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id TAA28410 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 19:06:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from #dalynyc.interport.com (ts3port37.port.net [207.38.249.37]) by madison.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA29727 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 22:06:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <34403142.583B@interport.net> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 22:09:07 -0400 From: jEdD X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: (no subject) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Elvis wrote: All I can say is: Save some tickets for me! > P. Hey, me too! Anybody know if this is Patti and band, or just Patti acoustic (w/Ollie and Lenny)? I can't imagine that its not the whole band at CBGBs...but thought I'd ask. From babel-list-owner Sun Oct 12 01:18:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id BAA00665 for babel-list-outgoing; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 01:18:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (mail-gw2.pacbell.net [206.13.28.53]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id BAA00660 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 01:18:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-3-76.okld03.pacbell.net [206.170.3.76]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id BAA18264 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 01:17:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3441E798.6E57@pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 02:19:20 -0700 From: Lori X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: "holy" References: <19971002021004.AAA3028@[206.42.131.76]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ On 10/1/97, Alison writ: >>The idea of sin, as defined by some Christians, depresses me because it is so hopeless, whereas the message I get from Peace and Noise is that we can share in God or whatever this divine power is if we have hope and a belief in our oneness. It's a blessing coming from within, in contrast to one being imposed by something external.<< When I hear this song, I think of what Ginsberg meant when he wrote these words. Ginsberg, as a Jew, was probably not taught about the Christian concept of heaven and hell. Or sin for that matter. As a Jew myself, the Christian concept of sin, or doing good deeds to get into heaven, seems foreign to me (as I think for Ginsberg, and for Patti too). The world is a holy place, and we need to respect that and remember that. We don't have to wait till we get to heaven to find holiness. --Lori From babel-list-owner Sun Oct 12 06:39:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id GAA01118 for babel-list-outgoing; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 06:39:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from idecnet.com (root@idecnet.com [194.179.48.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id GAA01113 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 06:39:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acceso-10.madrid.idecnet.com (acceso-10.madrid.idecnet.com [194.179.104.146]) by idecnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA19262 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 14:39:39 +0100 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 14:39:39 +0100 Message-Id: <199710121339.OAA19262@idecnet.com> X-Sender: naib@idecnet.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Versión 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: Ivan Arroyo Garcia Subject: Re: Stupid computer question Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ At 21:02 11/10/97 -0000, you wrote: >Although I've had this computer for about 1 1/2 years and I took some >basic computer courses, I still don't know how to save something from the >internet onto the hard drive. i've been trying to save that Patti photo, >(i guess it's supposed to be a screen saver? ) at the Sessions site, but >so far all i've managed to save is some mumbo-jumbo Simple text >description of the picture instead of the picture itself. I also tried >to print it and only succeeded in printing the small color picture that, >at the site, is animated. If anyone could explain to me how to save this >photo and maybe even use it as a screensaver, I would greatly appreciate >it. I have a Macintosh computer, by the way. > Alison humm :/ i think this won't help in a mac, but in the PC's navigators usually creates a directory where it saves the last photos that you see. Is called cache, but i don't know if this works in macintosh. Hope having help you. < naib > From babel-list-owner Sun Oct 12 07:44:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id HAA01232 for babel-list-outgoing; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 07:44:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id HAA01227 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 07:44:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from work (user-38lcfun.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.63.215]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA17277 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 10:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19971012144445.006f631c@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: conrad@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 10:44:45 -0400 To: babel@postmodern.com From: "E. C. Groom" Subject: Re: YLT Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ >From: jEdD >Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 08:45:04 -0400 >Subject: Re: > >Wilson Smith wrote: >> Where and where is/are YLT? >> >> W >> >Westbeth Theater...10/30 through 11/2, I thought...but dates could be >off. just off a tad - 10/30 to 11/1. peace, -ecg. website @ http://www.pipeline.com/~conrad/index.html From babel-list-owner Sun Oct 12 07:56:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id HAA01274 for babel-list-outgoing; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 07:56:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout13.mail.aol.com (emout13.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.39]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id HAA01269 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 07:56:39 -0700 (PDT) From: DblLatte0@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA14116 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 10:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 10:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971012105603_1045425620@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: PS drawing Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Yesterday I went to the Musuem of Modern Art (MOMA) in NYC to see Patti's drawings on display. The woman at the admission counter was so rude. As I gave her my for a $9.50 ticket, I asked where the Patti Smith drawings would be. She angrily yelled "excuse me, my mind is short ! I can only do one thing at a time." Anyway she didn't know, and I proceeded to find "A Decade Of Collecting" on the 2nd floor -recent acquisitions in contemporary drawing. There was only 1 drawing from Patti titled "Stoned Head" It was an unusual shaped face with words scribbled around it such as, ex "zeus christ it has always been rock" I always thought the verse went," it has always been rotten". The drawing was drawn with pencil and colored pencil