From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 04:28:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id EAA25809 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 04:28:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id EAA25804 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 04:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip75.an5-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.16.75]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA02888 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 07:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 07:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971001072503.3fb78038@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: eltyger@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" Subject: Re:[2] Letterman tonight Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 0713 EDT // Wed 1 Oct 97 // BklnNYC *************************************************************** >From: Bluemuse@aol.com >Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:15:18 -0400 (EDT) >To: babel-list@postmodern.com >Subject: Re: Letterman tonight >... >But wasn't it funny how *stupid* Letterman got when the >Wonderbra model appeared? She was a bit classy; he was a >moron. ** I had him a "Dork", but... She *was* kind of a Hot-Number: An OwStraylyan Blonde! Whew! But what I thot was Yowzah!: When the Camera comes back and Patti's sitting between the Blonde and Dave...I Couldn't Look Away From Patti! >... > Wilson: I loved the faux performance log! ** Amen! >--Bob Farace *************************************************************** --// eLTyger --// /*RESPECT FOR THE ELECTRON(S)*/ --// /*SACRED LIGHTNING/ DANCE THE WORLD*/ From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 04:34:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id EAA25851 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 04:34:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout14.mail.aol.com (emout14.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.40]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id EAA25846 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 04:34:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Ethiopium@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id HAA06040 for babel@postmodern.com; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 07:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 07:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971001073323_694187068@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: babel@postmodern.com Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #340 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I'm in for the aol chat. From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 05:27:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA25939 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 05:27:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id FAA25934 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 05:27:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from default (fi.smart.net [205.219.246.223]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA08026 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:27:42 -0400 Message-Id: <199710011227.IAA08026@gemini.smart.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Fiona Webster" Organization: http://www.oceanstar.com To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:26:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: "1959" on Letterman Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I was actually a little bit disappointed. Patti started the song off-pitch (flat) and stayed that way. When Tony and crew joined in on the chorus, they went along with her, of course, which sort of rubbed it in. The flat pitch diminished the creepy joyfulness of the song for me. (Unlike some who are saying it will grow tiresome, I really *like* this song!) And why couldn't Lenny do that Mediterranean guitar thing on stage? But her radiant smile through the veil of hair was great! And I love the sweet simplicity of a 50-year-old woman who waves to her "Mommy and Daddy" when she's on TV. She knows when to leave her irony behind and just be real. --Fiona From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 05:29:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA25972 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 05:29:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from spacelab.net (mta@spacelab.net [206.42.130.4]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id FAA25967 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 05:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.42.131.157] by spacelab.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11397) with SMTP id AAA17495 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:28:57 -0400 Subject: Peace and Noise Date: Wed, 1 Oct 97 07:31:55 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "Alison Armstrong" To: "babel-list@postmodern.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <19971001122855.AAA17495@[206.42.131.157]> Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Some thoughts after listening to Peace and Night for the first time last night and watching Patti on Letterman--Patti's voice is so rich and mesmerizing and her lyrics have so many layers of interpretation that it's hard for me to focus on both at the same time. Each alone is so compelling that the synthesis of voice and words is almost too much to absorb. Listening to Peace and Noise is like wandering through a wondrous new city in which every sight and sensation evoked is tantalizing. You want to explore every twisting corner, experience everything you can; you want to savor each part but you're constantly tempted into another direction. Unlike some of the people who have discussed P&N, I find "Whirling Away" to be very strong, especially the refrain, which keeps playing in my mind as I write this. That and "Death singing" are perhaps my favorite pieces so far, but since I love them all, probably my preferences will vary from day to day. Alison From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 05:30:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA26004 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 05:30:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from portal.east.saic.com (portal.east.saic.com [198.151.13.15]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id FAA25995 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 05:29:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mclmx.mail.saic.com by portal.east.saic.com via smtpd (for kristeva.postmodern.com [198.102.244.54]) with SMTP; 1 Oct 1997 12:29:40 UT Received: from mclqm.mail.saic.com by mclmx.mail.saic.com; Wed, 1 Oct 97 08:29:40 -0400 Message-ID: Date: 1 Oct 1997 08:27:02 -0500 From: "Steve Kenney" Subject: p+n on first listen To: "babel-list" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ wow .... !! ..... !! ....!! the song that stands out most for me after one pass-through is Blue Poles -- this is a mortal classsic, one of her best songs *ever,* i absolutely *cannot* get it out of my head waiting underground is also great (love that piano -- oh how patti sounds great with a piano), and whirl away. showing my relative ginsberg ignorance dept: what i posted in the camden set list as "ginsberg's poem holy, holy, holy" was "spell" -- i thought it was remarkable that night, and last night in my living room too. interesting that she managed to avoid a "warning -- explicit lyrics" sticker on the album (though that would probably boost sales -- 14 year old in the record store sez "i don't know who this chick is, but its got explicit lyrics -- cool, let's get it...) memento mori i like, but it didn't bowl me over -- i know it will grow on me, as "fireflies" did (underwhelming at first, now one of my favorite tracks on GA) -- when she started talking about johnny, i flashed back to "horses" -- also when the helicopter went "up, up, up" (birdland...) i agree, stipe's vocals on Last Call don't sit qquite right for me, somehow -- they don't detract significantly from a teriffic song, but they just don't sit right (though i've found stipe/REM intolerable since about 1986, no flames please, just one man's opinion...). and someone (JDaly, methinkst) said the album would really benefit from some Lead Guitar, and he's really right -- i think the groove is great, the whole album's got a thematic, hypnotic groove to me, but a few of the songs (Dead City, 1959, f'rinstance) would just *launch* with some lead. whatever. the only song that fell a little flat for me was Death Singing -- i really like the words, but the music, eh, not so much. maybe if i get into a Pogues headspace tonight... i'm sure it will grow on me as well there really *are* some places where her voice is scary/cool, like she's all shivery and bug-eyed and hurling lightning bolts.... oh, and the Big Secret Album Cover Photo -- i *love* it -- her hand on the bed looks like an alien claw, its *awesome* (when will you be landing? .... : ). and i love that jesse came up with the title -- you go girl! as for Letterman, someone remarked that he was a moron with the bra model -- why should last night have been different than any other night? Patti was killer, no surprise there, great song, great hands, great band. and i thought she looked so goddamn *happy* sitting there at the end (cute little bit about her weight vis-a-vis the model's). though -- dave *could* have given the album another little plug there at the end, no? like holding it up and saying "peace and noise, in the stores today, thanks for being here patti..." jeez, people go on these shows to SELL THEIR WARES, he could help a little. ahhhh, you'll be hearing more from me on this subject, i'm sure.... "Blue Poles......infinitely winding......" love that record, skenney From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 05:41:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA26275 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 05:41:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout31.mail.aol.com (emout31.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.14]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id FAA26270 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 05:41:03 -0700 (PDT) From: GoRimbaud@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout31.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id IAA05450 for babel-list@postmodern.com(send); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971001083953_117109099@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com (send) Subject: PS in Village Voice MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Mother of Us All by Sue Cummings Ever wondered what grief feels like? Turn on the stove. Heat the burner til it’s red-hot, then lay your right eye down on it. when half your vision is seared away, grief is what fills the oozing cavity. GONE AGAIN helped stop the bleeding, an elegiac spasm Patti Smith had while mourning the deaths of her brother, Todd, and her husband, Fred "Sonic" Smith. It took just that sort of double blow to dislodge GONE AGAIN from her domestic cocoon, where she had been mothering in suburban Detroit for the nine years since DREAM OF LIFE. PEACE AND NOISE is the album that had been fomenting before the loss, a batch of songs sprouted in happiness, then pruned by misery. It’s no surprise that the tension of opposites would drive a record entitled PEACE AND NOISE, whose pen-and-ink cover art, created by Smith, is a Ralph Steadman-esque vortex of the album’s lyrical phrases, centered on a splash of brilliant red and yellow and bounded by blank white edges. What is new for Smith, who has championed social consciousness fueled by anger since "Piss Factory," is the way she now tries to imagine the future of her children by comparing their youth to her own. The results are universally resonant: welcome to the historical legacy of the aging baby-boomer who, having made such a big deal of her own adolescent rebellion, finds parenting to be a queasy, ear-biting spectator sport, albeit sometimes a funny one. Patti Smith fans had the pleasure of meeting her son when she reemerged tentatively for a short string of dates in the spring of ’96, shows scheduled precisely around the school break of 13-year-old Jackson Smith and his younger sister. "We are not touring!" guitarist Lenny Kaye said Smith insisted. The backstage life resembled a gypsy caravan of children, relatives, and hired hands, and Lenny roomed with Jackson, an arrangement conducive to hotel jam sessions that overflowed onto the stage. When the lights went down at the Roxy in Hollywood, Patti solemnly warmed up the club crowd with some old songs and a new one cowritten with Fred. Then, when the room was overtaken with sadness and nostalgia, she invited Jackson up for a rousing rendition of "Smoke on the Water." Hunching near his amp, the boy ripped through the fuzzy riff while Mom croaked, "Ah fi-yah in the sky-ee," and everyone whooped and giggled uncontrollably. Fred taught Patti to play guitar, as she does sometimes on PEACE AND NOISE, which is arranged sparsely compared with the rocky fury of GONE AGAIN. Strums and stoic piano chords wrap around her opening words: "If you believe/all your hope is gone/down the drain/of your humankind/The time has arrived/you’ll be waiting here/as I was/in a snow-white shroud/waiting underground." From beginning to end, the Reaper is still a dominating player, but he no longer flirts romantically as the junkie dreams of RADIO ETHIOPIA. Death is a father in "Waiting Underground," biding time on the other side before he reunites with his children "beneath the pilgrim moon." In "Death Singing," he is even a musician. But elsewhere death is a presence lingering in the background as Smith paints an American landscape seen through youthful eyes, in songs like "Whirl Away" and "Blue Poles," where a Dust Bowl kid goes out looking for work and comes back jobless to tell his mom he did as well as he could. "Dead City," a plodding march herded along by a cowbell, references the Motor City 5’s working-class rage with an image of Detroit’s burned-out Rust Belt, then matches that rage with Smith’s own anger at abandonment: "Is it any wonder that I’m crying in the sun/Well I built my dreams on your empty seeds/Now I’m burning them one by one." That’s the same pain that hid behind sarcasm in the title of GONE AGAIN; now it kicks out in a defiant fit on the floor of the studio in "Memento Mori," an ad-libbed swirl of pedal effects and spontaneous verbal throwdowns that fuses the contradictory impulses of the survivor and the bereaved into a story of a son killed at war. "And Johnny never went marchin’ home," she declares. "They took his name/and they carved it on a slab of marble/with several thousand other names/all fallen idols." In the raw abandon of "Memento," you can watch Smith flip from the role of widow, which pervaded the previous album, back again to that of parent, which dominates PEACE AND NOISE. The widow empathizes with the dead husband; the mother with the living children. Imagination, she is saying, can beat death sometimes. Smith brands herself as a boomer with such a Vietnam-style anecdote; you can just see her kids squirming impatiently through the story. PEACE AND NOISE also serves up vitamins-for-their-own-good like "Spell," a chant to the godfathers of Beat. "Holy Kerouac…Holy Burroughs" she intones, and I’m not sure they would care to be so deified, but every young boy needs good male role models, so Mom tries to point ‘em out. In a couple of years, she knows from her own rebel experience, the kids’ll be too cool to listen, much less go onstage with her, so she seizes the moment with her captive audience: "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times," she tell him in "1959." "Mom," they might say, "can we go play Nintendo?" Every parent knows sometimes kids don’t listen. Every artist knows sometimes nobody listens. Every wife knows sometimes hubby doesn’t listen; he’s too far away and anyway she’s just saying "pick up your socks, pick up your socks" while he’s trying to watch the game. The point is the wife just keeps talking. She keeps talking because she’s alive. She’s breathing and something has to come out with the air. The kids need her and so she makes an album for them. By the time she’s done, a lot of other people hear it too. People she’s been ignoring a long time. They’re listening. The kids, maybe seven or eight years from now, they’ll meet those "desolation angels serving it up with love," the ones from "1959." Everyone else is listening now as she lays out a future. Hubby keeps watching the game. As time speeds up and changes come faster, it becomes every more impossible for any one generation to envision the lives of the next. But Smith gets surprisingly close. My favorite moment here comes in "Death Singing," when she imagines her husband’s ghost, and says he sings of "these viral times." Vietnam served as her generation’s sign of destruction; AIDS is her children’s. The noise comes when the mother thinks of it, the peace when she speaks it. From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 05:46:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA26320 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 05:46:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout16.mail.aol.com (emout16.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.42]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id FAA26315 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 05:46:05 -0700 (PDT) From: GoRimbaud@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id IAA07633 for babel-list@postmodern.com(send); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:45:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:45:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971001084352_440598893@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com (send) Subject: tower records PS ad in Voice Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ the sue cummings article in the village voice is positioned on recto, page 63, and has a fairly good-sized ad on the recto, page 62, announcing the P&N release and the "come to howieville" release party. the picture used is the same as the cd cover and the poster. also the ad provides arista's web site address, for what good that may be...they still haven't updated the damn site! still pissed about lack of promotion! phillip From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 05:52:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA26364 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 05:52:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from berzerk.rs.itd.umich.edu (root@berzerk.rs.itd.umich.edu [141.211.63.17]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id FAA26358 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 05:51:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from battlezone.rs.itd.umich.edu by berzerk.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.6/3.0-mailhub) with ESMTP id IAA27049; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:50:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (birena@localhost) by battlezone.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.6/4.0-client) with SMTP id IAA25880 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:50:16 -0400 (EDT) From: barbara nagler X-Sender: birena@battlezone.rs.itd.umich.edu To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: spell Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ It's all a spell, earthy mysteries droning through densely interwoven roots & out into sky, I really love the whole thing. My favorites are probably Spell and dead city, but I have a hard time choosing favorites on her albums and find all the songs essential and interwoven. I like cycling back to Waiting Underground after Last Call. From lost in the skies to ancestor gods alive in shrouds and feet beating on the ground. As far as I'm concerned, strange as it may sound, Spell is a dance song, and I shall inflict it along w/others on my Fri. nite dance ... I would like to see the lyrics to dead city. The end of it is esp. gorgeous, and I feel that whatever one may feel about Detroit (I do love the mangy old beast) it's typical of it to grind out something of such beauty through someone beautiful & able to express it. It's an earth city (to me) and the earth is in trouble and can sometimes groan & scream esp. well through it. Spell is up with my favorite all-time-most-beautiful pieces. It just says it all. Irena From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 06:17:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id GAA26468 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:17:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from inmet.com (mx1.inmet.com [141.199.15.7]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id GAA26462 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:17:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harp.camb.inmet.com by inmet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA07004; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:16:47 -0400 Received: by harp.camb.inmet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA08457; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:16:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:16:46 -0400 From: mg@inmet.com (Mitch Gart) Message-Id: <199710011316.JAA08457@harp.camb.inmet.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: check out the Sessions website Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I also had a problem with the screen saver on Windoze. But on the other hand, the two video clips at that site are really nice. One's from "don't say nothing" and the other's Patti talking on stage about flossing and other equally important things. - Mitch From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 06:22:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id GAA26510 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:22:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from inmet.com (mx1.inmet.com [141.199.15.7]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id GAA26505 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harp.camb.inmet.com by inmet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA07304; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:21:47 -0400 Received: by harp.camb.inmet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA08796; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:21:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:21:46 -0400 From: mg@inmet.com (Mitch Gart) Message-Id: <199710011321.JAA08796@harp.camb.inmet.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: tower records PS ad in Voice Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ At my local Tower yesterday, P&N was out front with the new Stones and Dylan records, which was nice, but its price was the full $16.99, while the others were discounted at $12.99. The new Dylan record sounds real good, sort of a folk-blues sound. - Mitch From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 06:26:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id GAA26550 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:26:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net (sweden-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.50]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id GAA26545 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:26:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [207.217.8.166] (pool045-nitro1.la-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.8.195]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA26851 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel@postmodern.com From: mbella@earthlink.net (Craig Stoker) Subject: ...por favor Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Hello B-listers! The river art-rat is back. I want to thank you for all the mail. I haven't gotten to my mail yet, there was a mountain waiting for me at work, 7 loads of stinking laundry from our trip, and a crate of mail from the postoffice waiting. It will take several weeks to sort threw all those digests! Thanks for the swaps and trades, I'll respond to my mail personally when I can decompress a little from being away so long. Peace & Noise! --Yana from the Lake P.S. If you haven't yet bought Peace & Noise, please get it this week!! The numbers are really important the 1st week! Buy your holiday gifts early! Best blessings. PPSS. My favorite track, after living on Lake Powell with the tape, is 'Whirl Away' for its lyrical content. I think that 'Don't Say Nothing' is the obvious hit IMHO. Ciao! --Yana ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The most violent of [the filthiest sailors] hold these fragile poems between their teeth as they sometimes hold in their fingers the twigs and threads which will be the masts and gear of a schooner imprisoned in the crystal of a flask. --Jean Genet From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 06:34:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id GAA26602 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:34:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from guelah.nexen.com (guelah.nexen.com [204.249.96.19]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id GAA26597 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:34:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maelstrom.nexen.com (maelstrom.nexen.com [204.249.99.5]) by guelah.nexen.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09043 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:33:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phish.nexen.com (phish.nexen.com [204.249.99.14]) by maelstrom.nexen.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA12891 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [204.249.97.97] (bk.nexen.com [204.249.97.97]) by phish.nexen.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA26155 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:33:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: kendall@pop Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:33:53 -0500 To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: kendall@nexen.com (Brian Kendall) Subject: Re: idea Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Count me too, -finally a reason to log on to my AOL account... BK >In a message dated 97-09-30 22:02:17 EDT, DblLatte0@aol.com writes: > >> >><< Hey...I was just wondering how many people on this list have >AOL...because >>I >> was just thinking maybe we could get some kind of Patti chat room going >>every >> thursday (or anyother day) night. > >Count me in! From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 06:46:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id GAA26667 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:46:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from portal.west.saic.com (portal.west.saic.com [198.151.12.15]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id GAA26662 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:45:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cphub.mail.saic.com by portal.west.saic.com via smtpd (for kristeva.postmodern.com [198.102.244.54]) with SMTP; 1 Oct 1997 13:45:33 UT Received: from cpqm02.mail.saic.com by cpmx.mail.saic.com; Wed, 1 Oct 97 06:45:34 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 1 Oct 1997 09:45:04 -0800 From: "Steve Kenney" Subject: Re: ...por favor To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ welcome home yana! skenney From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 07:31:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id HAA26823 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 07:31:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout26.mail.aol.com (emout26.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.131]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id HAA26811 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 07:31:18 -0700 (PDT) From: GoRimbaud@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout26.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA03043 for babel-list@postmodern.com(send); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971001102442_1399814702@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com (send) Subject: ...por favor Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ In a message dated 97-10-01 09:44:21 EDT, HRH YANA YA YA writ: << The river art-rat is back. >> welcome home, yana, darling! missed your wonderous self!!! be a gathering, st.p From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 09:00:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id JAA27013 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:00:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from donkeykong.rs.itd.umich.edu (root@donkeykong.rs.itd.umich.edu [141.211.63.19]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id JAA27008 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from seawolf.rs.itd.umich.edu by donkeykong.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.6/3.0-mailhub) with ESMTP id LAA19367; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (birena@localhost) by seawolf.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.6/4.0-client) with SMTP id LAA15543 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:59:56 -0400 (EDT) From: barbara nagler X-Sender: birena@seawolf.rs.itd.umich.edu To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Wonderbra & Patti Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ That sounds just like David Letterman's weird humor, to put them both on one show. I'm sure that he had "Diet Woman" (Sarah Ferguson) and the writer of Summer Cannibals on the same show on purpose too. I didn't see this one ... no cable TV ... He certainly drives me nuts to watch, but so does a lot of TV. I have enough problems with my own mind "whirling away" without all the frenetic-paced attempts to keep people happy-happy-happy, or whatever it is they're doing. But, I'm glad he keeps asking Patti back, anyway!! Irena From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 11:57:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA00162 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:57:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from minnie.risd.edu (minnie.risd.edu [207.87.132.102]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id LAA00147 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.190.22.15] by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA07742; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:08:55 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA875745493 Wed, 01 Oct 97 15:38:13 EST Date: Wed, 01 Oct 97 15:38:13 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9709018757.AA875745493@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: P&N blows in on a big wind Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Hey I can't stop listening. But I did stop long enough to listen to the new Dylan album. Scared me at the opening refrain, I thought he might have been suddenly possessed by Leonard Cohen. Anyway, it's a good 'un, too. Now gotta check out the other old guys Babylon recording. Ciao, Mary From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 12:19:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA00438 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:19:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com (emout10.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.25]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id MAA00433 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:19:12 -0700 (PDT) From: TMPJAccas@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA21811 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971001151632_-1832538025@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: idea Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Ok...here's my idea. On Thursday night at 9:00 eastern time I'll open a room in members rooms, Arts and Entertainment called "Peace and Noise" or just locate me. sound good? hope to see you there ~~mike From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 12:21:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA00496 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:21:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from access.netaxs.com (mail@access.netaxs.com [207.8.186.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id MAA00490 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix5.netaxs.com (mail@unix5.netaxs.com [207.8.186.7]) by access.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05742 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:21:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Anthony J. Rzepela" Received: (from rzepelaa@localhost) by unix5.netaxs.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) id PAA04341 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710011921.PAA04341@unix5.netaxs.com> Subject: Re: P&N blows in on a big wind To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:21:17 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <9709018757.AA875745493@ccsmtp.risd.edu> from "Lynch, Mary" at Oct 1, 97 03:38:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Lynch, Mary wrote: > Anyway, it's a good 'un, > too. Now gotta check out the other old guys Babylon recording. Having no self-discipline, I bought P&N last night (better that than a dish of ice cream!) but since I can't get beyond Babylon myself, I may not hear P&N until the listening party on the 8th. (Hmmmm.. will we get free rosaries?) ObPackaging: P&N is available with or without the outer slipcover. The plain-jewelbox version uses the same front photo, but because it's smaller, it doesn't have as much impact. From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 12:22:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA00552 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:22:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: (from mcb@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA00477; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710011920.MAA00477@server.postmodern.com> From: mcb@postmodern.com (Michael C. Berch) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:20:35 +0000 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: jitr, babel-list Subject: [ADMIN] Hardware problems on postmodern.com Cc: fi@oceanstar.com, neslon@panix.com Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ The mail server for postmodern.com has been having some serious hardware problems, and has crashed 3 times already today. It looks like either memory or motherboard problems. I am going to try to run some diagnostics and decide whether it can be fixed or will need to be replaced. In either case, please be warned that list service is likely to be irregular for the next few days until this is resolved. My apologies for the annoyance. BTW, this machine also serves as the Web server www.postmodern.com, so archive and Web service will also be affected. I'll post updates when possible. Regards, -- Michael C. Berch mcb@postmodern.com From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 12:26:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA00586 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:26:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id MAA00577 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:26:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.12]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id KAA22484 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA20211 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:34:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA26471 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:29:33 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:29:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: shrouds In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ thats my fav. imagery the white shrouds at the beginning and the heavens gate thing at the end... circular maybe we all are wearing a different colored shrouds... robert. From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 12:51:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA00740 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:51:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from idecnet.com (root@idecnet.com [194.179.48.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id MAA00722 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:50:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acceso-15.madrid.idecnet.com (acceso-15.madrid.idecnet.com [194.179.104.151]) by idecnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA13062 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:50:11 +0100 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:50:11 +0100 Message-Id: <199710011950.UAA13062@idecnet.com> X-Sender: naib@idecnet.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Versión 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Babel-list@postmodern.com From: Ivan Arroyo Garcia Subject: I'm back Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I'm back ( again and again ). Sad by cannot writting whenever i want, and more sad becouse i think that i'll have to wait until "Peace & noise" comes to Spain :_(. Hope being in a mistake. I'll go this evening ( again ) to my record's shop to see if the CD is there. Well, happy to be here with you again ( let's see how long ). See you. < naib > From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 13:04:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id NAA00889 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:04:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from kxly.com (smtp.kxly.com [205.235.139.36]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id MAA00792 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KXLY_TV_AM_FM-Message_Server by kxly.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 01 Oct 1997 12:59:30 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 12:59:33 -0800 From: Steve Jackson To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: idea -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I GUESS I'M KIND OF A NOVICE ON MANY INTERNET ISSUES..DOES THIOS MEAN YOU NEED AOL AS A SERVER TO GET INVOLVED IN THIS CHAT? HOPE NOT... BY THE WAY..I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM MANY PACIFIC NORTHWEST PATTI FANS...ESPCIALLY IF IT LOOKS LIKE THE BAND IS GONNA PLAY SEATTLE.. WONDER WHAY LETTERMAN HAD THAT WONDERBRA CHICK ON TWO SEGMENTS..AND DIDN'T GET TO TALK TO PATTI? I'VE LISTENED TO THE NEW ALBUM ONCE..I GUESS I NEED TO HEAR IT MORE TO DECIDE WHAT I LIKE BEST..BUT THE FIRST CUT SEEMED REAL STRONG..LIKE THAT LITTLE PIANO LINE..BY THE WAY..ALSO LIKE LENNY'S GUTIAR LAST NIGHT..NOTE THEY ARE USING MATCHLESS AMPS AS WELL. From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 13:49:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id NAA01011 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:49:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from minnie.risd.edu (minnie.risd.edu [207.87.132.102]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id NAA01001 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.190.22.15] by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA30796; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:00:31 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA875752201 Wed, 01 Oct 97 17:30:01 EST Date: Wed, 01 Oct 97 17:30:01 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9709018757.AA875752201@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: I'm back Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Hi Naib :) From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 14:29:05 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id OAA01205 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:29:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id OAA01199 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:28:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA22827 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:25:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA11149 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:12:21 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:12:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: hardware problems In-Reply-To: <199710011950.UAA13062@idecnet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Hey didnt this also happen last year when Gone Again came out? spooky huh? robert... also has a AOL account......maybe see ya in the chat room. From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 15:20:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id PAA01474 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:20:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.92]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id PAA01469 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-121.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.89]) by mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id PAA28584; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/mt.graham.14Aug97) id PAA18608; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710012220.PAA18608@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> From: DBaer@webtv.net (David Baer) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:20:31 -0400 To: Babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Patti's doing an interview on WFDU Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Hi everybody, I just heard that Patti is going to be doing an interview on WFDU which is Fairleigh Dickinson University's (in northern New Jersey) radio station, 89.1 FM on Friday, October 3. She's gonna be on Carol Allen's show, but I don't know the exact time. If you find out, would you let ME know. -David. From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 16:23:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id QAA01626 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:23:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout12.mail.aol.com (emout12.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.38]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id QAA01621 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:23:14 -0700 (PDT) From: DblLatte0@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id TAA01744 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971001192037_1587570917@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Letterman tonight Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I wished Dave spent more time interviewing Patti than the Wonderbra model and the guy off the street. If I had 5 seconds of free speech (instead of the guy off the street) I would hand it over to Patti. Performance of 1959 was mesmerizing. This week has been great with Sessions, Letterman and Peace & Noise. Nicki From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 17:02:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id RAA01829 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:02:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout28.mail.aol.com (emout28.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.133]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id RAA01823 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:02:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Ethiopium@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout28.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA07606 for babel@postmodern.com; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971001194758_845067981@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: babel@postmodern.com Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #340 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Actually, although I would very much like to hear you have to say Jeffrey, I have come to think of your blank postings as a running joke on the babel list. Even if you do post, send a few blanks every now and again, will you? Love,Mary From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 17:03:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id RAA01858 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:03:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com (emout07.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.22]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id RAA01849 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:02:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Ethiopium@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA27772 for babel@postmodern.com; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971001200043_-1530276966@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: babel@postmodern.com Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #342 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Yana, welcome back! Whirl Away is my favorite too. But the whole damn cd is just well, great. Let's be a gathering on aol tomorrow night. Ciao, Mary From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 17:10:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id RAA01931 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:10:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout15.mail.aol.com (emout15.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.41]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id RAA01926 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:10:41 -0700 (PDT) From: TimJDF@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout15.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA29958 for babel@postmodern.com; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971001200610_1631287959@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: babel@postmodern.com Subject: In the Family? Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Hi Folks, I was wondering if anyone here is into Jane Siberry, and if so, do you know if Oliver Ray is in any way related to Jane's pianist Tim Ray? They have similar features, but I've certainly seen much stranger coincidences. Tim! From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 18:22:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id SAA02143 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:22:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from madison.interport.net (madison.interport.net [199.184.165.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id SAA02135 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:22:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from #dalynyc.interport.com (ts3port27.port.net [207.38.249.27]) by madison.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA13245 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 21:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3432F7EF.3BC6@interport.net> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 21:25:03 -0400 From: jEdD X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #342 References: <971001200043_-1530276966@emout07.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Ethiopium@aol.com wrote: > > Yana, welcome back! Whirl Away is my favorite too. But the whole damn cd is > just > well, great. Heehehe. What is it about that song? That's the one that's been running through my head all day too. Its kind of...Aint is Strange-ish, in a way. Musically, anyway. Great vocals, lyrics, melody, etc. And Don't Say Nothing is just...a classic. Other than lacking strong lead guitar, as I mentioned earlier, a few of the songs are a bit ... melody-deprived...but they are growing on me. On Memento Mori, I kinda wish the band was as frenetic and energy-filled as Patti is. The music and the vocals don't quite merge together so perfectly... for me...the way they did so perfectly on Land... P.S. Although 1959 isn't my favorite song on the album, I actually loved last night's performance. The song is growing on me. If Patti was flat..I didn't pick up on it (but then...if you heard me sing..you'd understand. hehe). Just loved the "hi mommy Hi daddy" thing. After all, she said hi to the kids last time, didn't she? I also bought the Dylan and Stones albums. I like the Dylan album, so far. Very bluesy. Can't say the Stones bowled me over yet (...but then, I'm sick of Constant Craving...so..). Finally, before I go enjoy the Kraft low fat macaroni and cheese I just cooked (and added a huge handful of real cheese to in order to make palatable), I should mention that Time Out NY also raved about P & N this week, describing it as "like a letter out of the blue from a friend you drefted apart from years ago." While crediting Patti and Lenny for their "signature sound" the writer also credits young Oliver Ray with bringing "Peace and Noise into the present with more direct chord patterns and arrangements." Go Ollie!! From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 19:10:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id TAA02318 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:10:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from spacelab.net (mta@spacelab.net [206.42.130.4]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id TAA02309 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.42.131.76] by spacelab.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11397) with SMTP id AAA3028 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:10:07 -0400 Subject: "holy" Date: Wed, 1 Oct 97 21:13:05 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "Alison Armstrong" To: "babel-list@postmodern.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <19971002021004.AAA3028@[206.42.131.76]> Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Even though Patti didn't write it, Ginsberg's "holy, holy" chant on "Spell" becomes, through her voice, a therapeutic massage, a loofah sponge rubbing away culturally transmitted guilts, scrubbing away concepts of the body as filthy and sin as innate. Patti's spirituality, everpresent in Peace and Noise and permeating all her work, reminds me somewhat of William Blake's. I think that this may be what I had in mind when earlier today I compared listening to Peace and Noise with wandering through a "new" city. Later, I wondered what I had meant by "new," and I guess I was thinking of it in the Blakean sense of seeing something with "new" eyes. Maybe that's sort of what Christians mean when they talk of being "born again," only when they say this it often means seeing oneself as sinful before and washed by God into something spiritually presentable, unlike the idea in "Spell" that you were always "holy" and just may never have realized it before. The idea of sin, as defined by some Christians, depresses me because it is so hopeless, whereas the message I get from Peace and Noise is that we can share in God or whatever this divine power is if we have hope and a belief in our oneness. It's a blessing coming from within, in contrast to one being imposed by something external. I'm thinking about this in connection with an incident that happened to me yessterday several hours before I finally got to listen to Peace and Noise. Maybe I looked like a poster child of damnation or something , but as I was walking through a Brooklyn subway station I was accosted for the second time by this woman who handed me a gloomy little religious pamphlet. She said I must ask Christ into my heart because she wants to see me in heaven. The pamphlet, of course, luridly depicted the alternative. She said it wasn't enough to believe in Christ, which I do in a non-traditional way. She said you had to acknowledge sin and helplessness. All the time she was saying this, I was having conflicting feelings. The impressionable, spongelike, conditioned -to-feel-guilty sie of me was kind of absorbing her guilts while another side of me was thinking that her beliefs actually promoted, rather than healed, despair and fostered a disregard for all physical creation. Anyway, the woman got to me a bit and left me feeling rather scared and doomed, which was probably the intent, though she may not have consciously realized it. So when I got home and listened to Peace and Noise, it was like an antidote to all that, an affirmation of a much more benign spirituality. I think "Last Call" could be describing people like this woman whose teachings in the name of religion engender life-denying pessimism. Alison From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 20:05:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id UAA02505 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:05:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout31.mail.aol.com (emout31.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.14]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id UAA02495 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:05:07 -0700 (PDT) From: JANAL8@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout31.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA18520 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971001224800_-1596771495@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #337 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ In a message dated 97-09-30 14:16:57 EDT, you write: << Oh I just got the cd! But it was just stuck in with Patti Smith cds. No mention of a new release >> I found it on Tuesday in a Best Buys in Dallas - but also in the bins - not in new releases. Regardless - IT'S INCREDIBLE. I'm gonna help the sales because I've got to have one cd to keep in my pickup - so I don't have to carry it back and forth! P&N, Al in Tx. From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 20:05:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id UAA02512 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:05:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout12.mail.aol.com (emout12.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.38]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id UAA02496 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:05:08 -0700 (PDT) From: TMPJAccas@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA16807 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971001230115_-993781320@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: tower records PS ad in Voice Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I went to Cocanuts on the 30th and there was no trace of the new Dylan album!!! Is it worth getting? From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 20:56:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id UAA02656 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:56:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout34.mail.aol.com (emout34.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.17]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id UAA02651 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:56:02 -0700 (PDT) From: TMPJAccas@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout34.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA29794 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971001224917_-696143480@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Monday/Peace and Noise Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ wow..this is a great album. I can't say it is as good as any of her work in the 70's though. I wish it was more like horses with the poetry breaks and changes during the songs (ex. Land). but o, well...I'm so glad she brought back Johnny!! I'd have to say Waiting Underground, 1959 or Memento Mori are my favorites as of now. well...enjoy ~~mike PS: someone mentioned this but you do have to have AOL to participate in the AOL chat rooms...I don't know how many people will show but I'll give it a try. Thursday 9:00 est. Members rooms, arts and entertainment, Peace and Noise From babel-list-owner Wed Oct 1 21:01:10 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id VAA02719 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 21:01:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from access.netaxs.com (mail@access.netaxs.com [207.8.186.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id VAA02714 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 21:00:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix5.netaxs.com (mail@unix5.netaxs.com [207.8.186.7]) by access.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA07955 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 00:00:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "Anthony J. Rzepela" Received: (from rzepelaa@localhost) by unix5.netaxs.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) id AAA06972 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 00:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710020400.AAA06972@unix5.netaxs.com> Subject: Re: P&N listening party in Philly To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 00:00:15 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <970929.161057.EDT.MFINE@VM.TEMPLE.EDU> from "M.J. Fine" at Sep 29, 97 04:07:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ M.J. Fine wrote: > > Pontiac Grille on South Street near Third is having a Peace and Noise > release party on October 10, according to a calendar posted on the > club's door. I didn't catch the particulars, as it clashes with Yom > Kippur. Not anymore? An ad in the Philadelphia Weekly for the Pontiac Grille has the P&N party down for 10 PM on October 8, 21 and over only. The same night, there's an all-ages show earlier in the evening. ++Tony "Free Shit!" Rzepela From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 10:50:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA00147 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:50:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id KAA00140 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from access.netaxs.com (access.netaxs.com [207.8.186.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id KAA14881 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix5.netaxs.com (mail@unix5.netaxs.com [207.8.186.7]) by access.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA25585 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:11:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Anthony J. Rzepela" Received: (from rzepelaa@localhost) by unix5.netaxs.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) id NAA14239 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710021711.NAA14239@unix5.netaxs.com> Subject: Wall of Sound likes "P&N" To: babel-list@postmodern.com (babel-list) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:11:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ The Wall of Sound website has a positive review of "P&N". The numeric rating it got was only 83 out of 100, but the final paragraph gushes thusly: But Smith's delivery, which carries the yearning emotional heft of a master poet, makes these relatively simple sentiments seem freshly profound. So does the music, drawn in moody, nuanced arrangements that favor hypnotic drones, though in a couple of spots--"1959," "Dead City," and the ten-minute opus "Memento Mori"--Smith and her band show they can kick it, albeit with a different kind of energy than they did during the late seventies. But today's Smith is as vital as yesterday's, and with two very different albums in two years, she's covered a great deal of difficult ground with rare grace, humanity, and musical vision. Wall of Sound Website: http://www.wallofsound.com/ Review URL: http://www.wallofsound.com/reviews/stories/3154_35index.html From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 11:14:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA00147 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:50:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id KAA00140 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from access.netaxs.com (access.netaxs.com [207.8.186.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id KAA14881 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix5.netaxs.com (mail@unix5.netaxs.com [207.8.186.7]) by access.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA25585 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:11:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Anthony J. Rzepela" Received: (from rzepelaa@localhost) by unix5.netaxs.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) id NAA14239 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710021711.NAA14239@unix5.netaxs.com> Subject: Wall of Sound likes "P&N" To: babel-list@postmodern.com (babel-list) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:11:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ The Wall of Sound website has a positive review of "P&N". The numeric rating it got was only 83 out of 100, but the final paragraph gushes thusly: But Smith's delivery, which carries the yearning emotional heft of a master poet, makes these relatively simple sentiments seem freshly profound. So does the music, drawn in moody, nuanced arrangements that favor hypnotic drones, though in a couple of spots--"1959," "Dead City," and the ten-minute opus "Memento Mori"--Smith and her band show they can kick it, albeit with a different kind of energy than they did during the late seventies. But today's Smith is as vital as yesterday's, and with two very different albums in two years, she's covered a great deal of difficult ground with rare grace, humanity, and musical vision. Wall of Sound Website: http://www.wallofsound.com/ Review URL: http://www.wallofsound.com/reviews/stories/3154_35index.html From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 11:14:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA00142 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:14:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id LAA00135 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from access.netaxs.com (access.netaxs.com [207.8.186.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id LAA22898 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix5.netaxs.com (mail@unix5.netaxs.com [207.8.186.7]) by access.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA04274 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:12:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Anthony J. Rzepela" Received: (from rzepelaa@localhost) by unix5.netaxs.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) id OAA18241 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:12:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710021812.OAA18241@unix5.netaxs.com> Subject: PS in the Phila. City Paper To: babel-list@postmodern.com (babel-list) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:12:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ There's been Patti content in the Philadelphia City Paper two weeks in a row now. Last week, she was subjected to 20 questions by Margit Ditweiler (sp?) in anticipation of the Camden show, and the WW event was a pick of the week. Camden is reviewed this week by ad amorosi, and there's a photo from it. There's also a quarter-page ad for the album/P&N party, co-sponsored by the local independent store "Third Street Jazz" (the only store around here that had any of Arista's oversized postcards back before GA was released.) The ad sez: "Win an original lithograph of Patti Smith artwork autographed by Patti and pick up some free giveaways." They've got the date and time as October 8, 9PM. Location is the Pontiac Grille, address of which is nowhere to be found in the ad. However, the PG is at 304 South Street. From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 11:28:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA00271 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:28:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id LAA00250 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:28:24 -0700 (PDT) From: OHIODECLAN@aol.com Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com (emout07.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.22]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id JAA05587 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:02:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA26888 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:02:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:02:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971002120003_1299335048@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: P&N listening party in Philly Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ There is an ad in today's City Paper for a P&N listening party at the Pontiac Grille at 3rd & South on Wednesday, October 8 at 9:00. Free giveaways and drawing for lithograph are advertised. Jeff From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 11:32:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA00321 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:32:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id LAA00316 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:31:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from minnie.risd.edu (minnie.risd.edu [207.87.132.102]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with SMTP id IAA03428 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 08:43:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.190.22.15] by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA02098; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:55:44 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA875820262 Thu, 02 Oct 97 12:24:22 EST Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 12:24:22 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9709028758.AA875820262@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re[2]: babel-digest V2 #342 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Yeah, I must agree that I would like to hear a more upfront lead guitar. From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 11:32:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA00353 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:32:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id LAA00322 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from minnie.risd.edu (minnie.risd.edu [207.87.132.102]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with SMTP id IAA03416 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 08:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.190.22.15] by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA11759; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:55:38 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA875820260 Thu, 02 Oct 97 12:24:20 EST Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 12:24:20 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9709028758.AA875820260@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re[2]: tower records PS ad in Voice Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Personal opinion - the new Dylan album is worth getting, I like it more all the time. From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 12:18:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA00240 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:18:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id MAA00234 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:18:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from socrates.berkeley.edu (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id LAA29187 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:53:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.136.72]) by socrates.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA02527 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA02948 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:46:47 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:46:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Wall of Sound/Peace and Noise In-Reply-To: <971001224917_-696143480@emout07.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ sounds and review of album at this site http://www.wallofsound.com/reviews/stories/3154_35index.html robert From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 12:25:05 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA00348 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:25:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id MAA00342 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:24:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpgate.uvm.edu (smtpgate.uvm.edu [132.198.101.121]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with SMTP id GAA05240 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 06:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thyme.uvm.edu (132.198.151.224) by smtpgate.uvm.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id <0.19BD7200@smtpgate.uvm.edu>; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 9:25:19 -0400 Received: from THYME/SpoolDir by thyme.uvm.edu (Mercury 1.21); 2 Oct 97 09:25:08 GMT-5 Received: from SpoolDir by THYME (Mercury 1.30); 2 Oct 97 09:24:44 GMT-5 From: "Ron Jacobs" Organization: University of Vermont To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:24:35 EDT Subject: Re: tower records PS ad in Voice Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <29029F9057A@thyme.uvm.edu> Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ > From: TMPJAccas@aol.com > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:04:33 -0400 (EDT) > To: babel-list@postmodern.com > Subject: Re: tower records PS ad in Voice > Reply-to: babel-list@postmodern.com > I went to Cocanuts on the 30th and there was no trace of the new > Dylan album!!! Is it worth getting? Absolutely. This album begins with a guitar pluck, then an organ chord that interrupts the silence. Bobby comes in with a plaintive voice of the past. "I'm sick of love..."he sings. By the end of the song he asking her to stay because he knows that "Love is all there is, it makes the world go round...." The next tune, "Dirt Raod Blues", is a blues piece that sounds like an extension of "Tombstone Blues" and just drives real real hard. He gives us a bit of a break with the next tune "Standin the Doorway", but comes right back at you with the next one. This album doesn't stop....I wish I could quit work and just go home and listen to Dylan and then Patti's new one and repeat it all again. - Ron Jacobs\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\Let's be realistic, Bailey/Howe Library,\\\\\\\\demand the impossible... University of Vermont\\\\\\\\\\\\-Paris, May 1968 Reserve desk\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ rjacobs@thyme.uvm.edu\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Burlington,VT USA\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ http://moose.uvm.edu/~rjacobs/ronshome.html From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 12:27:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA00379 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:27:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id MAA00364 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:26:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from inmet.com (mx1.inmet.com [141.199.15.7]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with SMTP id FAA28556 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 05:51:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harp.camb.inmet.com by inmet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA17488; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 08:48:52 -0400 Received: by harp.camb.inmet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA24949; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 08:48:52 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 08:48:52 -0400 From: mg@inmet.com (Mitch Gart) Message-Id: <199710021248.IAA24949@harp.camb.inmet.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: MC5 MOVIE NEWS: RA RA SIS BOOM BA! Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I got this in the mail and thought others in babel-list would be interested, it's about a movie about the MC-5. - Mitch -------------------------------------- From: economy@tezcat.com ATTN: Friends of the MC-5 !! Dig It! - and Rejoice! - WE DONE KICKED 'EM OUT!! Tuesday, Sept 30, production of MC5 * A TRUE TESTIMONIAL took a giant leap forward! Future/Now Films became recipients of the prestigious Roy W. Dean Grant Award for documentary filmmakers -- to the tune of $35,000 in film goods and services!!! YEAH! Selected from 5 finalists amongst 200 entries, MC5 * A TRUE TESTIMONIAL chewed up the competition and rocked the house! Chicago nightclub Excalibur was the scene of the event, with each of the finalists making their final presentations for the judges. Future/Now's David Thomas channeled the Righteous Energies and RAN IT DOWN! with a chorus of support from co-conspirators Laurel Legler and Jeff Economy. The audience loved it and the preview/trailer BLEW THEM AWAY! The Roy W. Dean Grant is sponsored by Studio Film & Tape, national distributors of Fuji Motion Picture film, and the judges for the event included Academy Award winning director Barbara Trent (THE PANAMA DECEPTION), award winning director Zeinabu Davis, and award winning director David Simpson. This award will go a long way towards keeping the production rolling and eventual realization of the full budget. It was a GREAT night and a GREAT HONOR, wish you ALL could have been there! ...but since you was busy elsewheres, here's the text of our presentation: "Good evening, and thank you. My name is David Thomas of Future/Now Films. I am co-Director and co-Producer of MC5 * A True Testimonial. My co-conspirators in this adventure are producer, Laurel Legler, co-director and director of photography, Jeff Economy, and our editor, Greg Snider of The Looking Glass. We are thrilled to have had this project chosen as one of the finalists for the Roy W. Dean Grant; we consider it a great honor to be here tonight, our thanks to Studio Film & Tape for this opportunity. MC5 * A True Testimonial will be a feature-length examination of the life and times of the MC-5, a high-energy rock n roll band who came blasting out of Detroit in the late 1960s, and their role in American cultural, political, and musical History. When we first began the preliminary research on this film we did so because we are at heart, rock n roll fans. And when we first unearthed archival footage of the MC-5 we were overjoyed to see that they were every bit as exciting and riveting and visually stunning as we had heard. But as we dug deeper into the intricacies of their story and examined the events which they had been a part of, we became increasingly aware not only of how influential this group was, but we began to see their story as a metaphor for the entire 60s youth explosion. We began to see how their career had paralleled the rise and fall of the radical political and cultural movements of the period, and we saw that an in-depth examination of what had happened to this band could be used to tell a larger story about American History. In the midst of the most turbulent years in our nation's history, the MC-5 embraced the promise and embodied the possibilities of a real American Revolution. During their brief career the MC-5 created a firestorm of controversy. They spearheaded the 60's only working class cultural scene; they were the only group with the courage to perform at the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago in a show of solidarity with the Yippies and the anti-war Movement; and they attracted unparalleled attention from state and Federal law enforcement when they formed the White Panther Party in support of their Black Panther brothers. When their first album KICK OUT THE JAMS was released, it was censored by radio, banned by retailers, and quickly pulled off the market. Store owners in the state of Michigan were arrested for selling it. The band's manager, John Sinclair, was jailed in one of the most controversial cases in Michigan History. And as the 60s ended and the political tides shifted, the MC-5 fell into obscurity. Or did they? For as we began our research in Michigan, we found that the legend of the MC-5 had reached the level of Urban Myth. That devotion bordering on fanaticism surrounded this group, and they had changed lives forever. For many, the MC-5 were a working model of limitless possibilities and the MC-5 experience a catalyst for their own personal and political awakenings. The issues that will be explored in MC5 * A TRUE TESTIMONIAL are issues that are still with us -- the struggle against intolerance and oppression, government surveillance, the ongoing battle against censorship, and the fight for freedom of expression...these are the same battles we all continue to fight, and there is much to be learned from the successes and failures of the MC-5. Excitement about this film continues to build, even in its early stages it has received extensive press coverage, and the trailer you are about to see was recently screened for a standing-room-only crowd at the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame and Museum in Cleveland. A theatrical release of the finished film is our ultimate goal. MC5 * A TRUE TESTIMONIAL will mirror the high-energy aesthetic of the MC-5 themselves. It will be a dynamic documentary full of never-before- seen images, including rare archival footage, photos, posters, TV shows, interviews, news footage, and government surveillance films. It will be a high-energy history lesson, a celebration of the fire and the energy and the spirit that has always burned at the heart of the American Dream. We believe it is the last great untold story of the 1960s. We believe it is a story whose time has come, a unique story which we all deserve to know." And then we rolled the trailer on the BIG SCREEN -- 2.5 minutes of SMOKING relentless MC-5 History/Hysteria...there is NO resisting its TOTAL ASSAULT! We walked away with the Grant and the Trophy -- A FIVE POINTED STAR!! Spread the word -- we're still fighting the GOOD FIGHT! And MC5 * A TRUE TESTIMONIAL is another step closer to reality! Peace & Power, Your Brothers and Sister at Future/Now Films From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 13:04:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id NAA00575 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:04:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from idecnet.com (root@idecnet.com [194.179.48.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id NAA00568 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:03:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acceso-19.madrid.idecnet.com (acceso-19.madrid.idecnet.com [194.179.104.155]) by idecnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA12482 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 21:03:50 +0100 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 21:03:50 +0100 Message-Id: <199710022003.VAA12482@idecnet.com> X-Sender: naib@idecnet.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Versión 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Babel-list@postmodern.com From: Ivan Arroyo Garcia Subject: Babel Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ After a hard search, i've found "Babel" in a library, but Spanish version: _(. At least, i'll read it ( as i wait to " Peace & noise ". ) See you. < naib > From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 13:15:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id NAA00636 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:15:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from inmet.com ([141.199.15.7]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id NAA00624 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harp.camb.inmet.com by inmet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA02250; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:14:03 -0400 Received: by harp.camb.inmet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA04844; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:14:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:14:02 -0400 From: mg@inmet.com (Mitch Gart) Message-Id: <199710022014.QAA04844@harp.camb.inmet.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: tower records PS ad in Voice Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Ron Jacobs wrote > .I wish I could quit > work and just go home and listen to Dylan and then Patti's new one > and repeat it all again. Me too! But on the other hand, remembering that Bob's and Patti's new albums are waiting at home is a comforting thought. To Alison, who wrote about the old lady in the Brooklyn subway with the religious views, now we can say to people like that, or hum to ourselves, "don't be led away, don't be led away". - Mitch From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 13:27:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id NAA00699 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:27:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from minnie.risd.edu ([207.87.132.102]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id NAA00694 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:27:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.190.22.15] by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA16508; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:39:32 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA875837340 Thu, 02 Oct 97 17:09:00 EST Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 17:09:00 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9709028758.AA875837340@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re[2]: tower records PS ad in Voice Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Hey, I downloaded the MAc PPC version of the Patti screensaver, and then couldn't open it. It did not expand itself. Anyone have any suggestions? Thanks, MAry From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 13:36:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id NAA00763 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:36:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from socrates.berkeley.edu (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id NAA00758 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:35:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.136.72]) by socrates.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id NAA01352 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:36:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA21740 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:31:25 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:31:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re:another review In-Reply-To: <199710022003.VAA12482@idecnet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ http: //www.ocregister.com/news/1997/0997/092697/lps.html robert From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 14:49:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id OAA00988 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:49:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from minnie.risd.edu (minnie.risd.edu [207.87.132.102]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id OAA00983 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:49:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.190.22.15] by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA02534; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:02:32 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA875842163 Thu, 02 Oct 97 18:29:23 EST Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 18:29:23 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9709028758.AA875842163@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: MC5 MOVIE NEWS: RA RA SIS BOOM BA! Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Wow that is really great news about the MC5 documentary. I can't wait to see it. I remember writing Kick out the Jams Motherfuckers on the wall of the Yale Divinity School about 10 years ago in a fit of frustration over the tepid social activism that was so popular there. I've mellowed - I must admit it, but I've still been known to scrawl it here and there. Unfortunately, no one knows what it means. From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 15:23:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id PAA01090 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:23:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from socrates.berkeley.edu (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id PAA01085 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.136.72]) by socrates.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id PAA01603 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:24:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA11208 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:17:27 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:17:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re:another review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ god, sometimes cut and paste works and sometimes it doesnt. i will resend the review address later. sorry. now im the one with empty posts. Mary....u need a stuffitt or unstuffitt (wrong spelling) program. someone who knows what i mean can help better. Or you should be able to do it from your AOL account with their horrible web browser. robert From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 17:04:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id RAA01406 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:04:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net (norway-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.49]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id RAA01401 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:04:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [207.217.8.188] (pool038-nitro1.la-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.8.188]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA10921 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:06:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710030006.RAA10921@norway.it.earthlink.net> Subject: Wall Of Noise review Date: Thu, 2 Oct 97 17:06:36 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Kevin Dickson To: "Babel list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I lifted this review from today's Wall Of NOise. They also have a bunch of soundfiles up at the site for people to download, of songs from teh album. Hope it comes through ok. The URL is http://www.wallofsound.com/reviews/stories/3154_35index.html Patti Smith's 1975 utterance "outside of society is where I want to be" is a difficult declaration to live down. Few lyrics are soclear in purpose, and those wordsinextricably defined Smith's stature as rock-and-roll rebel and punk priestess supreme. But things change in twenty-two years, and Smith has been through the full cycle of birth and death-- from marrying and becoming a mother to losing both her husband, former MC5 guitarist Fred "Sonic" Smith, and her brother Todd during 1994. Last year, Smith mourned her departed family and friends (including former bandmate Richard Sohl and famed photographer and her former lover Robert Mapplethorpe) on the beautifully somber Gone Again, her first album in eight years. Then she picked up her kids, moved from suburban Detroit back to New York, and began what's clearly a new phase in her career. Now, barely a year after the release of Gone Again, Smith has issued the first statement on her new mission. Peace and Noise finds Smith not just firmly inside society, but yearning for as much of it as she can get. In the ambient opening track, "Waiting Underground," she sings of a "gathering" transpiring beneath the earth. The reggae-styled "Whirl Away," reminds us that "all men are brothers" and on it she asks--sounding nearly stricken by the concept--"Who stands guard for each other?/ Why must we guard anything at all?" Even "Spell," one of the two Allen Ginsberg poems she sets to music on Peace and Noise, forwards the notion that "everything is holy/ everybody's holy." These are timeless themes, of course, older than the Dust Bowl imagery of "Blue Poles" and as modern as the AIDS victims of "Death Singing" or the Heaven's Gate suicides detailed in "Last Call," which features guest vocals from R.E.M.'s Michael Stipe. But Smith's delivery, which carries the yearning emotional heft of a master poet, makes these relatively simple sentiments seem freshly profound. So does the music, drawn in moody, nuanced arrangements that favor hypnotic drones, though in a couple of spots--"1959," "Dead City," and the ten-minute opus "Memento Mori"--Smith and her band show they can kick it, albeit with a different kind of energy than they did during the late seventies. But today's Smith is as vital as yesterday's, and with two very different albums in two years, she's covered a great deal of difficult ground with rare grace, humanity, and musical vision. --Gary Graff From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 17:09:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id RAA01447 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:09:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from madison.interport.net (madison.interport.net [199.184.165.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id RAA01442 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:08:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from #dalynyc.interport.com (ts3port68.port.net [207.38.249.68]) by madison.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA02463 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 20:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <34343833.4D4A@interport.net> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 20:11:31 -0400 From: jEdD X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: NY Patti Party Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Well, I went to the Patti party on Leonard Street tonight. It seemed pretty much as people described the ones in other citys, except here they had autographed cds for sale. They also gave out the posters, and Peace and Noise buttons. They were also giving away a lithograph. We were kind of hoping that the 'ol girl herself would show up to sign the cds, but..nope. Nice people there though. How could you go wrong with Patti people? Still, I can't figure out whether this was a really dumb marketing idea (spending the $$ on people who would have bought the album anyway) or if it was Patti's idea and her way of giving something back to us (free food!). Who knows. Maybe, if she has any say in it at all, she figured that a few more ads wouldn't sell any more records anyway and wanted to make this nice gesture. From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 18:10:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id SAA01574 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:10:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout19.mail.aol.com (emout19.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.45]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id SAA01569 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:10:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Bluemuse@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout19.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA05206 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 21:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 21:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971002210650_-662225101@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Re: MC5 MOVIE NEWS: RA RA SIS BOOM BA! Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Mary sez: >I remember writing Kick out the Jams > Motherfuckers on the wall of the Yale Divinity School about > 10 years ago in a fit of frustration over the tepid social > activism that was so popular there. I guess they had their fill of it during the May Day rally of 1970, eh? It's interesting now, though, to find out some of what went on behind the scenes then, like how Yale kept a busload of Weather Underground from reaching New Haven by getting them stranded on a desolate stretch of the Mass Pike. Or how another WU member, having second thoughts, revealed that there was a case of grenades making its way up from down south. Or how the bomb that went off in the rink might actually have been planted by the Nixon administration to help discredit the activists . . . --Bob Farace From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 19:00:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id TAA01682 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 19:00:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net (italy-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.18]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id SAA01661 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:59:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hawkwind (1Cust119.max1.minneapolis.mn.ms.uu.net [153.34.149.247]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA27422 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <343451E8.6BDE@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 21:01:12 -0500 From: Dan Witt Organization: Legal Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: TLC References: <971002210650_-662225101@emout19.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Hi, I've been reviewing the concert clips of patti that aired last week on TLC's history of r&r punk episode. I'm curious as to the origin of these clips, were they tv specials or released for home video? I'm sure you've probably discussed this when this episode first aired. Does this list have keyword searchable archives? I was pleased to see patti's hair wasn't dyed for letterman, I've always pictured her as being satisfied with her natural appearance and the sessions show(with no gray) seemed odd to me. I'm not even sure exactly how long she has had gray hair but everytime I've seen her with it she looked so wise. -- Dan Witt MInneapolis, MN USA From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 20:17:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id UAA01855 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 20:17:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout13.mail.aol.com (emout13.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.39]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id UAA01846 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 20:16:52 -0700 (PDT) From: TMPJAccas@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA09220 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 23:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 23:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971002231220_-1964100731@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: sorry Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ hey...just wanted to say sorry to all of you who tried to find the room that didn't exist. I'm very sorry, i was watching the Yankee game and lost track of time. But it was scheduled for the same place same time next week so I hope to see you all there ~~Mike From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 20:18:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id UAA01888 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 20:18:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout41.mail.aol.com (emout41.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.59]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id UAA01878 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 20:17:59 -0700 (PDT) From: TMPJAccas@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout41.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA21535 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 23:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 23:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971002231220_-1964100731@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: sorry Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ hey...just wanted to say sorry to all of you who tried to find the room that didn't exist. I'm very sorry, i was watching the Yankee game and lost track of time. But it was scheduled for the same place same time next week so I hope to see you all there ~~Mike From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 21:56:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id VAA02076 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 21:56:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com (emout08.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.23]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id VAA02070 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 21:56:14 -0700 (PDT) From: NoahSeven@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id AAA29220 for babel@postmodern.com; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 00:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 00:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971003005422_-1363291993@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: babel@postmodern.com Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #343 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ i bet Fred is grinning from ear to ear.....somewhere. i really dug his vocals on "It Takes Time" with Patti on the "Until the End of the Word" soundtrack..... noah From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 22:21:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id WAA02165 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:21:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com (brickbat8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.11]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id WAA02160 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:20:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip94.an1-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.12.94]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA12844 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 01:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 01:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971003011630.3ddfe45c@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: eltyger@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #343 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 0117 EDT // Fri 3 Oct 97 // BklnNYC A *Very* Valuable Collector's Item... ************************************************************** >From: NoahSeven@aol.com >Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 00:55:13 -0400 (EDT) >To: babel@postmodern.com >Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #343 >... >i really dug his vocals on "It Takes Time" with Patti on the "Until the End of the Word" soundtrack..... > >noah ************************************************************** --// eLTyger --// /*RESPECT FOR THE ELECTRON(S)*/ --// /*SACRED LIGHTNING/ DANCE THE WORLD*/ From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 22:51:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id WAA02239 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:51:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from smtp.well.com (smtp.well.com [206.80.6.147]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id WAA02234 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:51:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from well.com (nobody@well.com [206.15.64.10]) by smtp.well.com (8.8.6/8.8.4) with ESMTP id WAA14886 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:51:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from maf@localhost) by well.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA14288 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:51:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:51:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Faigenbaum Message-Id: <199710030551.WAA14288@well.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Patti and Dylan Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ For 2 days now I've been listening to nothing but Bob and Patti. For anyone hesitating getting the Dylan record, get off it, bop down to your local compact digital retailer and buy this puppy. I am simply blown away by both of these records. On P&N Momento Mori and Dont Say Nothing are the standouts for me. What a great album. Dylans Time Out of Mind is dark, blusey, swampy, mystical, resigned, magical and multi layered. All about love, broken hearts, heaven, love and heaven. As for lack of promotion, today I was at Tower and asked if they had any extra promo stuff for the Patti Smith CD. The woman told me "We don't have ANY promo materials for that." So have we started a campaign yet to call our local radio stations and start requesting songs? I think Don't Say Nothing is the best choice for a single. Be a WOOLgathering Mark From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 23:06:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id XAA02304 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 23:06:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id XAA02299 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 23:05:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA28986 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 23:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA11639 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 23:02:32 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 23:02:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Patti and Dylan In-Reply-To: <199710030551.WAA14288@well.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I did see that the SF Bay Guardian list 4 places where you can buy Peace and Noise and register to win one of the signed lithographs everyone is talking about. glad i only bought the tape...now i can register to win when i buy the cd.... and then theres the vinyl..... robert. ....yea, but Mark....what station will play Patti Smith? KFOG didnt even feature Peace and Noise on the new releases Thursday. I have written them on their web site...but...nothing.... From babel-list-owner Thu Oct 2 23:37:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id XAA02393 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 23:37:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout02.mail.aol.com (emout02.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.93]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id XAA02388 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 23:37:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Bluemuse@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout02.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id CAA20590 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 02:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 02:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971003023648_-494132451@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Re: Patti and Dylan Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Is it too early to wonder if there might be a video, for which song, and who might direct it? I don't suppose anyone has heard anything? --Bob Farace From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 3 00:31:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id AAA04312 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 00:31:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com (brickbat8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.11]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id AAA04307 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 00:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip94.an1-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.12.94]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA00826 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 03:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 03:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971003032704.3af7fc76@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: eltyger@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" Subject: Re: Re: Re: Patti and Dylan Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 0326 EDT // Fri 3 Oct 97 // BklnNYC Yes. *************************************************************** >From: Bluemuse@aol.com >Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 02:36:51 -0400 (EDT) >To: babel-list@postmodern.com >Subject: Re: Re: Patti and Dylan ... >Is it too early to wonder if there might be a video, for which >song, and who might direct it? I don't suppose anyone has >heard anything? > >--Bob Farace *************************************************************** HehHehHeh, (No! Stop! Halp! I Swear I Don't Know Nothin'...) --// eLTyger --// /*RESPECT FOR THE ELECTRON(S)*/ --// /*SACRED LIGHTNING/ DANCE THE WORLD*/ From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 3 01:13:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id AAA04312 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 00:31:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com (brickbat8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.11]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id AAA04307 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 00:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip94.an1-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.12.94]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA00826 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 03:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 03:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971003032704.3af7fc76@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: eltyger@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" Subject: Re: Re: Re: Patti and Dylan Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 0326 EDT // Fri 3 Oct 97 // BklnNYC Yes. *************************************************************** >From: Bluemuse@aol.com >Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 02:36:51 -0400 (EDT) >To: babel-list@postmodern.com >Subject: Re: Re: Patti and Dylan ... >Is it too early to wonder if there might be a video, for which >song, and who might direct it? I don't suppose anyone has >heard anything? > >--Bob Farace *************************************************************** HehHehHeh, (No! Stop! Halp! I Swear I Don't Know Nothin'...) --// eLTyger --// /*RESPECT FOR THE ELECTRON(S)*/ --// /*SACRED LIGHTNING/ DANCE THE WORLD*/ From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 3 05:18:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA00364 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 05:18:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from cphub.mail.saic.com (cpmx.saic.com [139.121.95.10]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id FAA00359 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 05:18:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cpqm.mail.saic.com by cpmx.mail.saic.com; Fri, 3 Oct 97 05:18:03 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 3 Oct 1997 08:12:24 -0800 From: "Steve Kenney" Subject: Re: MC5 MOVIE NEWS: RA RA S To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ >>>I remember writing Kick out the Jams Motherfuckers on the wall of the Yale Divinity School about 10 years ago in a fit of frustration over the tepid social activism that was so popular there. I've mellowed - I must admit it, but I've still been known to scrawl it here and there<<< GoMaryGo !!! From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 3 05:23:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA00396 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 05:23:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from cphub.mail.saic.com (cpmx.saic.com [139.121.95.10]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id FAA00391 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 05:23:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cpqm.mail.saic.com by cpmx.mail.saic.com; Fri, 3 Oct 97 05:23:21 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 3 Oct 1997 08:17:33 -0800 From: "Steve Kenney" Subject: Re: Babel To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ looks like naib has been hangin' out with jeffrey ..... : ) From babel-list-owner Fri Oct 3 05:31:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA00454 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 05:31:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from portal.east.saic.com (Portal.East.saic.com [198.151.13.15]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id FAA00449 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 05:31:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mclmx.mail.saic.com by portal.east.saic.com via smtpd (for kristev