From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 1 05:29:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA01120 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 05:29:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from bitstream.net (exodus.bitstream.net [204.73.77.87]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id FAA01115 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 05:29:24 -0700 (PDT) From: weldy@bitstream.net Received: from [206.144.237.121] (port121.bitstream.net [206.144.237.121]) by bitstream.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA13395 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 07:29:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 07:35:20 -0500 To: babel@postmodern.com Subject: NYC this weekend Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Last minute travel change places me in NYC for the weekend! Please post or email me any hot music or cultural tips! 8-2 through 8-4. Love to all from a faithful reader (but infrequent poster)... GET ME OUTTA MINNEAPOLIS FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!!!!!!!!!! "You're buying THAT?"- any Tower Records employee From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 1 09:59:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id JAA01898 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:59:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from tir.com (sun.tir.com [205.138.41.6]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id JAA01893 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:59:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jswanson.tir.com (war27.tir.com [205.218.87.166]) by tir.com (8.7.5/8.7) with ESMTP id MAA07600 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 12:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33E21589.5A02679F@tir.com> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 12:57:47 -0400 From: Jenifer Swanson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: 88 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <9706318703.AA870372823@ccsmtp.risd.edu> <19970731.195320.12367.2.m.rourke@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ What is the significance of 88? Love and laughter jenifer From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 1 10:38:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA02009 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:38:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from inmet.com (mx1.inmet.com [141.199.15.7]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id KAA02004 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:38:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from camb.inmet.com by inmet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA18754; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 13:37:31 -0400 Received: from harp.i2ada by camb.inmet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA01556; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 13:37:31 -0400 Received: by harp.i2ada (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA14942; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 13:37:30 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 13:37:30 -0400 From: mg@dsd.camb.inmet.com (Mitch Gart) Message-Id: <199708011737.NAA14942@harp.i2ada> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: 88 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 88 is a pun on Summer Cannibals eat-eat-ate-ate. Bon appetit, - Mitch From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 1 17:55:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id RAA03558 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 17:55:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from trapt.twi.com (gate.twi.com [207.25.35.3]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id RAA03553 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 17:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from twmail.twi.com by trapt.twi.com via smtpd (for kristeva.postmodern.com [198.102.244.54]) with SMTP; 2 Aug 1997 00:55:15 UT Received: from WILSONSPC.timeinc.com by ecsmtp.twi.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA26877; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 20:54:31 -0400 Message-Id: <199708020054.UAA26877@ecsmtp.twi.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Wilson Smith" To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 19:55:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: 88... Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54 preview) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Came upon this "alt.culture" book that splained that "88" was some kinda nazi skinhead thing, too. "h" is the 8th letter of the alphabet, so... "88" -> "hh" -> "heil, hitler" [i swear to gawd]. Just kinda fyi... [specially if yer gonna be sportin these things in public or permanently markin' yerself or something (88 tattoos, jeezus fuckin christ [shudder]...)] W Wilson Smith neslon@panix.com Austin, Texas http://www.panix.com/~neslon People just naturally like distortion. -- James Luther Dickinson From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 1 19:12:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id TAA03818 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 19:12:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from york.interport.net (york.interport.net [199.184.165.8]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id TAA03813 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 19:12:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from #dalynyc.interport.com (ts3port33.port.net [207.38.249.33]) by york.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA14844 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 22:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33E29816.5A6B@interport.net> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 22:14:46 -0400 From: JED X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: 88... References: <199708020054.UAA26877@ecsmtp.twi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Wilson Smith wrote: > > Came upon this "alt.culture" book that splained that "88" was some kinda nazi > skinhead thing, too. "h" is the 8th letter of the alphabet, so... > "88" -> "hh" -> "heil, hitler" [i swear to gawd]. > > Just kinda fyi... [specially if yer gonna be sportin these things in public or > permanently markin' yerself or something (88 tattoos, jeezus fuckin > christ [shudder]...)] > From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 1 19:50:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id TAA04013 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 19:50:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from brickbat9.mindspring.com (brickbat9.mindspring.com [207.69.200.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id TAA04008 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 19:50:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip110.an21-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.32.110]) by brickbat9.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA18755 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 22:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 22:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970801224723.24676238@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: eltyger@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" Subject: Re:[2] 88... Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 2243 EDT // Fri 1 Aug 97 // BklnNYC Oops! ************************************************************** >From: "Wilson Smith" >To: babel-list@postmodern.com >Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 19:55:53 -0500 >Subject: 88... ... >Came upon this "alt.culture" book that splained that "88" was >some kinda nazi skinhead thing, too. "h" is the 8th letter of >the alphabet, so... > > "88" -> "hh" -> "heil, hitler" [i swear to gawd]. > >Just kinda fyi... [specially if yer gonna be sportin these >things in public or permanently markin' yerself or something >(88 tattoos, jeezus fuckin christ [shudder]...)] > >W > >Wilson Smith neslon@panix.com >Austin, Texas http://www.panix.com/~neslon > >People just naturally like distortion. > -- James Luther Dickinson ************************************************************** Thanx Wilson (List-Mom Emeritus), --// eLTyger --// /*RESPECT FOR THE ELECTRON(S)*/ --// /*SACRED LIGHTNING/ DANCE THE WORLD*/ From babel-list-owner Sat Aug 2 10:03:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA07278 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 10:03:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id KAA07273 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 10:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [207.217.13.188] (pool038-max17.la-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.13.188]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA17850 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 10:02:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 10:02:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: mbella@earthlink.net (Craig Stoker) Subject: sigs Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ re: >Incidentally, I've been meaning to bring this up... has anybody noticed >how Patti Smith's signature has changed over the years? I have a signed >copy of Witt (and I've seen other early signatures...isn't there one on >the Horses cover? or is it RE?), and I've had her sign copies of Early >Works, Woolgathering, and a copy of the Mapplethorpe book "Flowers" for >which she wrote the intro. Her 90s signature looks very different. Yes. I've noticed that about everyone. Look at Burroughs too. In fact, look at your own signiture over the years. Is it the same as it was 10 years ago? It's interesting. I think our sigs get less and less discernable the older we get. I have to sign my name so many times a day (because of my job, not because I'm a superstar) that it looks like a few squiggly lines, a dot, and a couple of dashes these days. --Y ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The family will no longer control the western hemisphere. it will exhist in its pleasure but not in its tyranny. -Patti Smith From babel-list-owner Sat Aug 2 10:30:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA07364 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 10:30:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from donkeykong.rs.itd.umich.edu (root@donkeykong.rs.itd.umich.edu [141.211.63.19]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id KAA07359 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 10:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from galaga.rs.itd.umich.edu by donkeykong.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.6/3.0-mailhub) with ESMTP id NAA20968; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 13:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (birena@localhost) by galaga.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.6/4.0-client) with SMTP id NAA04384 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 13:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 13:30:13 -0400 (EDT) From: barbara nagler X-Sender: birena@galaga.rs.itd.umich.edu To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: 88 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Well, it's a mobius strip infinity sign & encompasses just about everything! it's Scorpio, 8th sign. a knotted snake. serpent medicine is about neutralizing & transforming poison. we can take on the skinheads & such and turn them into ... mushrooms with magical properties industrial noise & jewelry wind tunnels generated in skyscrapers sandstorm nightmares extraterrestrials & frustrated artists the scared kids they are whatever Free the firesnakes and unchain the waters bon appetit and a strong stomach, Irena From babel-list-owner Sat Aug 2 10:36:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA07403 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 10:36:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from donkeykong.rs.itd.umich.edu (root@donkeykong.rs.itd.umich.edu [141.211.63.19]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id KAA07398 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 10:36:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from galaga.rs.itd.umich.edu by donkeykong.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.6/3.0-mailhub) with ESMTP id NAA21138; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 13:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (birena@localhost) by galaga.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.6/4.0-client) with SMTP id NAA04630 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 13:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 13:36:24 -0400 (EDT) From: barbara nagler X-Sender: birena@galaga.rs.itd.umich.edu To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: sigs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Really, how wearisome to imagine writing it neatly over and over. W/time it becomes a power squiggle, or a little lightning bolt of ink. It turns more into a pictogram of someone's energy. Irena From babel-list-owner Sat Aug 2 11:15:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA07523 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 11:15:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id LAA07518 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 11:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [207.217.13.188] (pool014-max20.la-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.14.164]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA24117 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 11:15:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 11:15:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: mbella@earthlink.net (Craig Stoker) Subject: FYI PS Books Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ ---------- SEVENTH HEAVEN by Smith ,patti New York Telegraph Books. About Good/soiled ,wear And Tear To Covers. Illustrated By Photo On Front Cover. (Keywords: poetry illustrated by photo on front cover.) The price of the book is US$ 1.00 Please reference the seller's book # 000729 when ordering. The seller is John Nelson Sr 32 Marriner Ave , Albany, NY, USA, 12205. Loubooks@Worldnet.att.net. Ph: 518 459-1291. Terms of sale: Check with order or call 518 463-1023 from 11am to 5pm or after 6pm call 518 459-1291. Master Card,Visa or Discover Card. All books are shopped postage paid. Sets and shipments outside US are shipped at actual cost. All books are guaranteed to be as discribed or your money is refunded. Payment by Master Card/Visa, Discover. Checks with order.Shipping is included on all order in the US. Sets and outside US are shipped at accual cost. Insurence extra. Books are guaranteed as discribed or we will refund your money within 5 days. http://www.abebooks.com/cgi/abe.exe/routera^_pr=oi^_ph=1^_bi=3235380 ---------- SEVENTH HEAVEN by Smith,patti Boston Telegraph Books 1972. About Good,wear To Covers. Post Paid. Illustrated By Photo Of Author On Cover. 1st/3rd Edition. Binding Is Wraps. (Keywords: poetry patti smith illustrated by photo of author on cover) The price of the book is US$ 12.50 Please reference the seller's book # 000730 when ordering. The seller is John Nelson Sr 32 Marriner Ave , Albany, NY, USA, 12205. Loubooks@Worldnet.att.net. Ph: 518 459-1291. Terms of sale: Check with order or call 518 463-1023 from 11am to 5pm or after 6pm call 518 459-1291. Master Card,Visa or Discover Card. All books are shopped postage paid. Sets and shipments outside US are shipped at actual cost. All books are guaranteed to be as discribed or your money is refunded. Payment by Master Card/Visa, Discover. Checks with order.Shipping is included on all order in the US. Sets and outside US are shipped at accual cost. Insurence extra. Books are guaranteed as discribed or we will refund your money within 5 days. http://www.abebooks.com/cgi/abe.exe/routera^_pr=oi^_ph=1^_bi=3235381 This mail was created 08/02/1997 06:34:22 AM and postmarked 08/02/1997 07:53:51 AM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The family will no longer control the western hemisphere. it will exhist in its pleasure but not in its tyranny. -Patti Smith From babel-list-owner Sat Aug 2 16:28:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id QAA08132 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 16:28:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from nickkean.ihug.co.nz (root@nickkean.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.249]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id QAA08127 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 16:28:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mcduda.ihug.co.nz (port548-Auck.ihug.co.nz [209.76.149.40]) by nickkean.ihug.co.nz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA27232 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 11:26:40 -1200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970803112507.00696ce0@pop.ihug.co.nz> X-Sender: mcduda@pop.ihug.co.nz X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 11:25:07 +1200 To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: Marty Subject: Patti book Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I just conducted an interview with Chris Charlesworth, the publisher of Omnibus Press and asked him about their upcoming Patti Smith book. Here is a transcript of that portion of the conversation: MD: I heard you're doing a Patti Smith book. CC: I'm quite excited about it. MD: Who's writing it? CC: A guy called Nick Johnson. He's an English writer, writes for Melody Maker. I was really surprised no one has done a serious Patti Smith book before, because she's perfect. She has a literary tradition. She's on the cutting edge, or she was for a long period. she's different, political, unusual. and she dressed in black and white clothes. There's a quote in this book from Peter Buck (from R.E.M.) he says when he saw Patti Smith for the first time, he went out and for the next eight years, he wore black and white clothes. So cool. and I figured, he did, didn't he? He wore black jeans and a white shirt and a white sort of vest, waistcoat thing, and he wore nothing but that.Picture after picture after picture of Peter Buck, and the reason was, he saw Patti Smith wearing that. But no, this is the first really serious study of Patti Smith's work. MD: She has always been reluctant to cooperate. CC: She hasn't co-operated with us, but she hasn't objected. We told her, 'hey, anybody can write a book about anybody. You don't have to have the artist's co- operation.' I fact, the majority of Omnibus books do not have the artist's co-operation. It doesn't matter who you're writing about, a politician or a film star, any one in the public eye. You can write a book about them as long as you don't libel them or breach their copyright, which you must be careful about. But Patti said, 'You're going to write a book. I can't stop you. Best of luck.' But it's about 80-90 thousand words, the first decent length book there's ever been about Patti smith. It will probably be followed by a spate of them, but at least I'm coming out first. MD: She definitely seems primed for it, with the comeback. CC: That's right. She's re-emerged in the past twelve months. That's what gave us the idea. MD: And she has a new album coming out in October. CC: It's great she's coming back. Cheers, Marty From babel-list-owner Sat Aug 2 18:43:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id SAA08336 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 18:43:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from york.interport.net (york.interport.net [199.184.165.8]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id SAA08331 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 18:43:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from #dalynyc.interport.com (ts3port17.port.net [207.38.249.17]) by york.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA09077 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 21:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33E3E2B7.6157@interport.net> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 21:45:28 -0400 From: JED X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Patti book References: <3.0.1.32.19970803112507.00696ce0@pop.ihug.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Marty wrote: > But Patti said, 'You're going to write a book. I can't stop you. > Best of luck.' Doesn't exactly sound like a hearty endorsement to me... From babel-list-owner Sat Aug 2 19:09:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id TAA08423 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 19:09:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from zeus.carroll.com (zeus.carroll.com [199.224.10.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id TAA08418 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 19:09:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [199.224.10.191] [199.224.10.191] by zeus.carroll.com with SMTP (8.8.5/0) id WAA06866; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 22:09:36 -0400 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 22:09:36 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: prod@carroll.com (Elvis) Subject: Re: Patti book Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Marty wrote: [snip snip]I was really surprised no one has done a serious Patti Smith book >before, because she's perfect. But no, this is >the first really serious study of Patti Smith's work. > Marcus Gray who wrote the rem book "It Crawled From the South" proposed a book about Patti his his editor about 4 years ago and was turned down. They suggested he write about someone more famous. What a difference a few years makes. P. From babel-list-owner Sat Aug 2 20:52:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id UAA08550 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 20:52:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com (emout06.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.97]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id UAA08545 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 20:52:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Bluemuse@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA26833 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 23:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 23:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970802235217_-589245878@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Fwd: Author William S. Burroughs Dies Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I found this unfortunate news item in my mailbox tonight. --Bob Farace --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Author William S. Burroughs Dies Date: 97-08-02 23:18:44 EDT From: AOL News 
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By MARIA SUDEKUM KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) - William S. Burroughs, the stone-faced godfather of the ``Beat generation'' whose experimental novel ``Naked Lunch'' unleashed an underground world that defied narration, died Saturday. He was 83. Burroughs died at 6:50 p.m. in Lawrence, Kan., at Lawrence Memorial Hospital, about 24 hours after suffering a heart attack, said Ira Silverberg, his longtime New York publicist. ``The passing of William Burroughs leaves us with few great American writers. His presence in the American literary landscape was unparalleled,'' Silverberg said. Published in 1959, ``The Naked Lunch'' used unconventional writing techniques to depict an underground world fighting a technological society that was self destructing. ``The Naked Lunch'' was both praised as literary genius and dismissed as indecipherable garbage because Burroughs wrote it without standard narrative prose, used abrupt transitions, placed the chapters in random order and wrote in a stream-of-conciousness style. The book also was the subject of a precedent-setting obscenity trial because of its violence and explicit sex. Publishers eventually won an appeal in Boston, and the book was published in the United States in 1962. ``Naked Lunch,'' which prompted Norman Mailer to say Burroughs was possibly the most talented writer in America, made Burroughs famous as a spokesman for the Beat generation. Burroughs continued his unconventional style by using a technique called cut-ups in subsequent books, including ``The Soft Machine'' (1961), ``The Ticket that Exploded'' (1962), and ``Nova Express'' (1964). Cut-ups involved random cutting and pasting and folding into his own writing quotations from other authors, newspapers and other media. Burroughs was an important influence on other Beat writers such as Allen Ginsberg and Jack Kerouac, who were fledging writers when they met Burroughs in New York in the 1940s. The three are now considered the core of the Beat movement, which flourished in the 1950s by condemning middle-class life and praising individualism. Kerouac's ``On the Road,'' Ginsberg's ``Howl'' and Burroughs' ``The Naked Lunch,'' are generally considered the most important works to come out of the movement. ```Naked Lunch' was pretty much the essence of his work,'' said Morris Dickstein, a professor of English at City University of New York. ``It came out when writers were trying to do something new to explore the irrational side of the mind, to try and get away from conventional techniques.'' Born in 1914 in St. Louis, Burroughs was the grandson and namesake of the inventor of the adding machine, but he said that his parents were not wealthy and were rejected by the city's elite. Burroughs was educated at the John Burroughs School and Taylor School, both in St. Louis, and at a prep school in Los Alamos, N.M. He received a bachelor's degree in English from Harvard University in 1936 and did some graduate work in ethnology and archeology. After moving to New York City, Burroughs developed a heroin addiction and was a junkie for about 15 years. During this period he lived in Texas, New Orleans, Mexico City, South America, Northern Africa, Paris and London. He did little writing at the time, but his experiences were the fodder for many of his books. He married a German-Jewish refugee, but only to enable the woman to emigrate to the United States. They were divorced in 1946. The same year, Burroughs entered into a common law marriage with Joan Vollmer. In later years, Burroughs acknowledged he was homosexual and said Vollmer was the only woman with whom he ever had a serious relationship. Burroughs' life was changed forever in 1951 when, after a day of drinking and drugs, he accidentally shot and killed Vollmer. Burroughs, who always had a penchant for guns, said he was trying to shoot a glass off his wife's head and instead shot her in the forehead. In a biography published in 1982, ``Literary Outlaw,'' Burroughs said that shooting led to his becoming a serious writer. ``I am forced to the appalling conclusion that I would never have become a writer but for Joan's death, and to a realization of the extent to which this event has motivated and formulated my writing. I live with the constant threat of possession, and a constant need to escape from possession, from Control. So the death of Joan brought me in contact with the invader, the Ugly Spirit and maneuvered me into a lifelong struggle, in which I have had no choice except to write my way out.'' Burroughs was charged with the equivalent of involuntary manslaughter and fled Mexico. The couple had a son, Bill Jr., in 1947. He was an alcoholic and drug addict who died of cirrhosis of the liver in 1981. Burroughs essentially disappeared from the literary scene while living in London in the early 1970s. His influence began to grow again when, at Ginsberg's urging, he returned to New York City in 1974. Shortly after his return, Burroughs met James Grauerholz, who became his secretary and began renewing Burroughs' career by scheduling readings across the country and in Europe. Burroughs continued to influence artists and musicians through the hippies of the 1960s and the punks of the 1970s. Musicians such as David Bowie, Lou Reed and Patti Smith have cited Burroughs as an important influence. ``He gave them techniques to get inside the dark side of the mind,'' said Dickstein, who wrote a book on the 1960s called ``Gates of Eden.'' ``He explored the fantastic, the irrational, so he freed them from a pretty rational form of literary narration.'' Burroughs began using drugs again and Grauerholz, who went to school at the University of Kansas, persuaded Burroughs to move to Lawrence, Kan., in 1981. Burroughs began to write more conventional narratives after his move to Kansas, including ``Place of the Dead Roads,'' in 1984, and ``The Western Lands,'' in 1987. He also began a second career as a visual artist, as well as writing screenplays, appearing in films (``Drugstore Cowboy'' and ``Twister''), writing an opera text, and even appearing in a Nike television ad. ``In the last few years, he became a figure that people looked up to as a pioneer of the avant garde,'' said Dickstein. ``He became an elder statesman for a lot of people.'' AP-NY-08-02-97 2312EDT 
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From babel-list-owner Sat Aug 2 22:15:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id WAA08684 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 22:15:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.8]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id WAA08679 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 22:15:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA20355 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 00:15:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sfo-ca27-11.ix.netcom.com(207.93.61.139) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma020340; Sun Aug 3 00:14:46 1997 Message-ID: <33E414EF.14DB@IX.NETCOM.COM> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 22:19:43 -0700 From: dolores stamm Organization: tech fasteners X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Ha Ha Houdini References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Steve Kenney wrote: > > I don't know about "The Night," but about a year ago I was browsing (read: > drooling) the rarities for sale at Gotham Book Mart and Andreas showed me a > copy of "Ha Ha Houdini" with the lock and key, and as I recall they wanted > about $100 for it. 'Twas too rich for my blood, so I satisified myself with a > signed first edition of "Witt" for $45. > skenney was this particular price of 100.00 for houdini authographed? or is that price for an unsigned copy? From babel-list-owner Sat Aug 2 23:15:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id XAA08810 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 23:15:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from york.interport.net (york.interport.net [199.184.165.8]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id XAA08802 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 23:14:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from #dalynyc.interport.com (ts3port12.port.net [207.38.249.12]) by york.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA11901 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 02:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33E4225C.4DA5@interport.net> Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 02:17:00 -0400 From: JED X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Oliver (and Patti) at CB's Gallery Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Oliver Ray performed at CB's Gallery on Saturday night, and Patti joined him for two songs. CB's Gallery is next door to CBGB's on the Bowery. Oliver arrived just before his set was to begin. Patti, Oliver's "roadie" for the evening, helped him carry his guitars to the stage and then sat at a table with friends for the show. Oliver opened the set with an instrumental. A bluesy sort of thing played on a dobro (I think...some kind of steel guitar anyway). He then sang several songs, including Walking Blind and Phenobarbitol and God (two of his songs that Patti has performed) and others. He also read some poetry. The set was all acoustic, and he was more than competent on the guitar. During the first few songs, his voice was a bit weak, and he seemed pretty nervous, but once he warmed up, he sounded quite good. Not a great voice, technically, but he sings with a lot of passion. One of the songs he did was a cover of a Grateful Dead song (he mentioned that today was Garcia's birthday). He did an especially great version of Walking Blind (it rivaled Patti's IMHO). Later, Patti came up on stage and sang two songs, and played guitar. Oliver accompanied Patti on guitar. I didn't recognize the first song (a soft acoustic song that Patti sang in a very high voice, for Patti, and she sounded great), but the second was Grateful, an acoustic song she performed a few times last summer (I love that song...!). Lenny was also in the audience, which numbered about 50. There was no mention of Burroughs' passing. Maybe they didnt' know yet... From babel-list-owner Sun Aug 3 01:25:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id BAA10684 for babel-list-outgoing; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 01:25:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from powergrid.electriciti.com (root@powergrid.electriciti.com [198.5.212.11]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id BAA10679 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 01:25:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [198.5.212.98] (line05.cs5.electriciti.com [198.5.212.98]) by powergrid.electriciti.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA05669; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 01:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 01:30:02 -0700 To: agit8@hotmail.com From: runner Subject: Re: William Burroughs Is Dead Cc: babel@postmodern.com, bstoffma@lausd.k12.ca.us, azulado@aol.com, ChrisHein@aol.com, Dfroley@aol.com, EugeneAhn@aol.com, gershwin@cinenet.net, Raminocs@aol.com, jill@jillbell.com, 6500ljn@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu, Marioka7@aol.com, oktober@post.cis.smu.edu, piers@humnet.ucla.edu, googie@wam.umd.edu, sinsco@cinenet.net, tpreece@pacbell.net, vpaul@gwdi.com Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ << start of forwarded material >> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 00:01:08 -0400 Reply-To: Greg Elwell Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" From: Greg Elwell Subject: Re: William Burroughs Is Dead To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU If anybody's interested, check out this page on the Internet that I found moments ago: http://www.abcnews.com/sections/us/ap_burroughs802/index.html DAMN! This is a shock. Greg Elwell elwellg@voicenet.com Greg Elwell elwellg@voicenet.com||elwellgr@hotmail.com -------------------------------------------------------- << end of forwarded material >> http://www.electriciti.com/babu/ | 0 | step aside, and let the man go thru | { - | ----> let the man go thru | /\ | super bon-bon (soul coughing) ========= From babel-list-owner Sun Aug 3 01:28:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id BAA10722 for babel-list-outgoing; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 01:28:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from powergrid.electriciti.com (root@powergrid.electriciti.com [198.5.212.11]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id BAA10717 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 01:28:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [198.5.212.98] (line05.cs5.electriciti.com [198.5.212.98]) by powergrid.electriciti.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA05798 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 01:37:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 01:33:12 -0700 To: babel@postmodern.com From: runner Subject: 88 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ also 88 = double infinity beyond possibility, transcend trancend 4 eyes are better than none http://www.electriciti.com/babu/ | 0 | step aside, and let the man go thru | { - | ----> let the man go thru | /\ | super bon-bon (soul coughing) ========= From babel-list-owner Sun Aug 3 06:58:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id GAA11297 for babel-list-outgoing; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 06:58:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id GAA11292 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 06:58:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [0.0.0.0.] (fi.smart.net [205.219.246.223]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA01409 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 10:00:46 -0400 Message-Id: <199708031400.KAA01409@gemini.smart.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Fiona Webster" Organization: http://www.oceanstar.com To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 09:44:56 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: R.I.P. Bill Burroughs Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ "The doctor smiles terribly. "I am referring your case directly to the coroner.' '' ---William S. Burroughs I just heard about Burroughs' death by reading about it in this AM's _Washington Post_. I knew it was coming some year, and I guess Allen Ginsberg's death was a warning of sorts, but still... I have that stunned, empty feeling you have when someone you've always treasured, just that they're *out* there, being who they are, is now gone. The "chronic malingerer," he called himself. I wanted to believe he would never die. The _Washington Post_ said that Kerouac and Ginsberg were better known than Burroughs, and maybe that's true, but of the three, Burroughs has been the most important to me (although it's a close call). Because of his writing -- his arrival in Interzone with "that grey anonymously ill-intentioned look that all writers have" -- because of _Naked Lunch_ and _Nova Express_ and "language is a virus from outer space" and the cut-up techniques and the talking asshole routine and the tales of Tangiers and the incomparable sound of his voice reading his own stuff. Giorno Poetry Systems. "Towers, Open Fire." The Inspector of Sewers. The feel of a gun in his hand. The Disposable Heroes of Hypocrisy. Spare Ass Annie. Dead City Radio. Even the Nike commercials were cool. *Damn.* (I know I'm sayin' what's incredibly obvious.) The way he envisioned death and eros -- the terminal orgasm. The (putatively) morally repugnant universe (think Genet, Artaud) that is somehow redemptive anyway because of the sheer perversity of its beauty. WSB was/is a master of repetition: repetition of images, repetition of words, repetition of ideas. Repetition like that gets your mind going on an entirely different level, so when he wants to make a point, he doesn't even have to talk about the subject...he can talk about whatever he wants, and the reader makes the connection. The exquisite nuances of his paranoia: "the agent inside''---the spy who, unbeknownst to us, lives inside of us, betraying us, The way he echoed Cocteau, Kafka, Rimbaud, Blake, Spengler, et al. His attraction to the gratuitous act. J. G. Ballard called him "the first mythographer of the mid-twentieth century, and the lineal successor to James Joyce, to whom he bears more than a passing resemblance--exile, publication in Paris, undeserved notoriety as a pornographer, and an absolute dedication to the Word . . . His novels are the first definitive portrait of the inner landscape of our mid-century, using its unique language and manipulative techniques, its own fantasies and nightmares." Damn. I'm gonna miss him. --Fiona Webster From babel-list-owner Sun Aug 3 07:01:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id HAA11352 for babel-list-outgoing; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 07:01:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id HAA11347 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 07:01:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [0.0.0.0.] (fi.smart.net [205.219.246.223]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA01478 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 10:03:45 -0400 Message-Id: <199708031403.KAA01478@gemini.smart.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Fiona Webster" Organization: http://www.oceanstar.com To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 09:47:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: a WSB memorial page? Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Is there any interest in putting up a WSB memorial page, like the one we did for Allen? Or one that's less elaborate... whatever... even just a page of links... Here's my deal: I have an out-of-town guest arriving in just a few hours, and have *no* time. (arrrgghh...) If someone else would like to volunteer to collect the materials for the page, I'd be happy to either link to it from the babelogue site, or (if necessary) put it up at the bab site. And I could send a photo or two -- I think I might be able to squeeze out the time to do a couple of scans. --Fiona From babel-list-owner Sun Aug 3 13:05:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id NAA12103 for babel-list-outgoing; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 13:05:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from york.interport.net (york.interport.net [199.184.165.8]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id NAA12098 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 13:05:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from #dalynyc.interport.com (ts3port3.port.net [207.38.249.3]) by york.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA01278 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 16:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33E4E517.3783@interport.net> Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 16:07:51 -0400 From: JED X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Jeff Buckley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ According to Addicted to Noise, 8/2, Patti Smith sent a poem to be read at last Friday's memorial service for Jeff Buckley at St. Ann's Church in Brooklyn. The poem was, according to ATN, supposedly a new poem written for the occasions called "the wing." (I wasn't there when or if it was read, but since Patti has a poem in Early Works called Wing, and the song on Gone Again, I'd tend to think that whatever she sent might not have been new, but who knows. Was anybody on the list there?). From babel-list-owner Sun Aug 3 13:54:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id NAA12299 for babel-list-outgoing; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 13:54:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from inmet.com (mx1.inmet.com [141.199.15.7]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id NAA12294 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 13:54:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from camb.inmet.com by inmet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA28136; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 16:53:48 -0400 Received: from harp.i2ada by camb.inmet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA11049; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 16:53:47 -0400 Received: by harp.i2ada (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA06709; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 16:53:47 -0400 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 16:53:47 -0400 From: mg@dsd.camb.inmet.com (Mitch Gart) Message-Id: <199708032053.QAA06709@harp.i2ada> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Burroughs Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ A couple of months ago, listening to the Kerouak album and letting my mind wander, I thought about young Jack and Allen and William sitting around a cafe somewhere late at night, musing about what they'd all be like when they were old men, and how they'd think it was funny if they could look into the future and see William living the longest, and Allen doing the contribution to Jack's tribute album just a little while before Allen's death. And they'd all think it was funny and ironic that they were so venerated after they were gone. - Mitch From babel-list-owner Mon Aug 4 04:44:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id EAA15792 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 04:44:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from cphub.mail.saic.com (cpmx.saic.com [139.121.95.10]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id EAA15787 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 04:43:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cpqm02.mail.saic.com by cpmx.mail.saic.com; Mon, 4 Aug 97 04:42:18 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 4 Aug 1997 07:42:26 -0800 From: "Steve Kenney" Subject: Re: Ha Ha Houdini To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ >>>was this particular price of 100.00 for houdini authographed? or is that price for an unsigned copy?<<< i'm pretty sure it was autographed, and certainly very limited edition with the little lock and key. skenney From babel-list-owner Mon Aug 4 04:55:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id EAA15837 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 04:55:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from cphub.mail.saic.com (cpmx.saic.com [139.121.95.10]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id EAA15832 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 04:55:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cpqm.mail.saic.com by cpmx.mail.saic.com; Mon, 4 Aug 97 04:54:15 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 4 Aug 1997 07:56:27 -0800 From: "Steve Kenney" Subject: Re: Patti book To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ i remember reading on this list some months back that Victor Bockris, the guy who did a book on Lou Reed and one on the VU and one on Burroughs (converging threads...) was doing a biography of Patti -- also, of course, w/o her cooperation. i'll have to search the list archives for the reference. anyone know any more about this? perhaps the spate of books this fellow suggested is indeed about to commence.... skenney From babel-list-owner Mon Aug 4 07:16:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id HAA16220 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 07:16:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from tscpl.lib.ks.us ([206.52.71.193]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id HAA16215 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 07:16:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WestGeneral.tscpl.lib.ks.us by tscpl.lib.ks.us (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA24169; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 09:13:00 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 09:13:00 -0500 Message-Id: <199708041413.JAA24169@tscpl.lib.ks.us> X-Sender: vkyle@moses.tscpl.lib.ks.us X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "Veronica Kyle@ Topeka & Shawnee Co. Public Library" Subject: Re: Fwd: Author William S. Burroughs Dies Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ At 11:52 PM 8/2/97 -0400, you wrote: >I found this unfortunate news item in my mailbox tonight. > >--Bob Farace >Forwarded message: >Subj: Author William S. Burroughs Dies >Date: 97-08-02 23:18:44 EDT I think I am still in the early stages of accepting his death, but it hasn't sunk in quite yet. Although, I will try to find out for myself, will someone out there let me know when they find out when his memorial service will be? I live in Topeka, which is only about 30 miles from Lawrence, KS, so I might be able to attend. Anybody else planning to go? Veronica From babel-list-owner Mon Aug 4 07:54:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id HAA16352 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 07:54:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from cicero.cybercity.dk (cicero.cybercity.dk [195.8.128.13]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id HAA16346 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 07:54:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vip.cybercity.dk (usr01.cybercity.dk [195.8.128.201]) by cicero.cybercity.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12618 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 16:35:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hunter.dk-online.dk (msx-07-1-29.1033.cybercity.dk [195.8.139.30]) by vip.cybercity.dk (8.8.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id QAA14358 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 16:29:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <33E5E53E.7DD2@vip.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 16:20:46 +0200 From: hunter desportes X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: a WSB memorial page? References: <199708031403.KAA01478@gemini.smart.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I'd be glad to supply technical help to such a project (like setting up the HTML). My WSB knowledge is very incomplete at this point. Some interesting Burrough's info and links can be found at: www.disinfo.com Fiona wrote: > > Is there any interest in putting up a WSB memorial page, like > the one we did for Allen? Or one that's less elaborate... > whatever... even just a page of links... > From babel-list-owner Mon Aug 4 08:03:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id IAA16411 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 08:03:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from donkeykong.rs.itd.umich.edu (root@donkeykong.rs.itd.umich.edu [141.211.63.19]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id IAA16406 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 08:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from galaga.rs.itd.umich.edu by donkeykong.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.6/3.0-mailhub) with ESMTP id LAA03090; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:02:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (birena@localhost) by galaga.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.6/4.0-client) with SMTP id LAA25882 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:02:49 -0400 (EDT) From: barbara nagler X-Sender: birena@galaga.rs.itd.umich.edu To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: burroughs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I tried to find the 2 pages in The Ticket that Exploded by William Burroughs that I once got stuck in. It was the first Burroughs work I read and I couldn't get past those two pages. not because they were tedious, but because I didn't want to leave. They were an exploding ticket. I just read them over and over. The book's gone from the library shelves, along with most of his others. and himself. It's like missing teeth. A tunnel to somewhere with a warning wind blowing out of it. So I got The Cat Inside instead. (one of those "later, more conventional works" I suppose) A beautiful ink slash drawing on the cover like a signature, full of distilled, electric cat-- a key and a gateway guardian. And one staring cat's eye peering through stripes of its own gold-and-shadow fur. Irena From babel-list-owner Mon Aug 4 08:07:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id IAA16453 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 08:07:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from pilot07.cl.msu.edu (pilot07.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.17]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id IAA16448 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 08:07:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pm157-05.dialip.mich.net (pm157-05.dialip.mich.net [35.9.15.16]) by pilot07.cl.msu.edu (8.7.5/MSU-2.10) id LAA67867; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:06:40 -0400 Message-ID: <33E619E2.4827@pilot.msu.edu> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 11:05:22 -0700 From: Cassie Carter Organization: Michigan State University X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Author William S. Burroughs Dies References: <199708041413.JAA24169@tscpl.lib.ks.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Did anyone see any "tributes" to Burroughs on TV this weekend? The only thing I saw was a brief mention of him on FOX news late Saturday night and a little "in the news now" listing on CNN Saturday afternoon. Maybe I just wasn't looking in the right places at the right times, but I was expecting something like the big stories and tributes Ginsberg got. Just wondering . . . -- Cassie Carter American Thought & Language |---------------------------| 229 Ernst Bessey Hall | THE JIM CARROLL WEBSITE | Michigan State University | www.msu.edu/user/carterca | E. Lansing, MI 48824 | /carroll/carroll.htm | carterca@pilot.msu.edu |---------------------------| From babel-list-owner Mon Aug 4 09:04:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id JAA16614 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 09:04:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708041604.JAA16614@server.postmodern.com> X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f From: Osborne Dan To: Babel List Subject: RE: INTRODUCTION Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 13:27:00 +0100 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Steve wrote ... >love Patti as well as Cale, Reed, Dylan, Sun Ra Kevin Coyne, Iggy and a >whole lot more. Welcome Steve - a Kevin Coyne fan eh? I knew it would have to be something special to tempt me out of lurking mode and Kev is that man! I've been thinking since your post of the similarities between Kevin and Patti - not immediately obvious I know but both are artists and writers in addition to singers. In fact, didn't they both have works of art in some exhibition earlier this year? Also their both dead good of course. As for dissimilarities, well, I have a treasured painting by Kevin Coyne entitled "A Splendid But Difficult Nose" but no Patti Smith originals! TTFN Dan From babel-list-owner Mon Aug 4 10:12:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA16899 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 10:12:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from hotmail.com (F83.hotmail.com [207.82.250.189]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id KAA16891 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 10:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19071 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 1997 17:11:02 -0000 Message-ID: <19970804171102.19070.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.42.131.165 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 04 Aug 1997 10:11:00 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.42.131.165] From: "Alison Armstrong" To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Burroughs documentary and possible Babel meetings Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 10:11:00 PDT Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Re Burroughs: There is a great documentary about Burroughs that was made about 1980-something. Burroughs recites various pieces from his works and there are a lot of interviews with people acquainted with him, including Ginsberg and Patti. The reent talk about a possible Patti concert after her record is released once again started me wondering if any Babelers in the NYC area would like to get together to go to Patti events and perhaps socialize once in awhile. I raised this idea before, but I wanted to bring it up because being new to NYC, I don't know many people interested in Patti, music, the arts, etc. and would really like to meet others with similar interests. When some of us met last year at Patti's Summerstage concert, it was wonderful. If any of you are interested in doing this, please e-mail me at akaains@hotmail.com or at my other address(alikat@spacelab.net). Hope to see some of you sometime. Alison ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From babel-list-owner Mon Aug 4 14:46:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id OAA17946 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 14:46:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from tir.com (sun.tir.com [205.138.41.6]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id OAA17939 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 14:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jswanson.tir.com (war74.tir.com [205.218.87.213]) by tir.com (8.7.5/8.7) with ESMTP id RAA18554 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 17:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33E64D4F.4C2CC1FD@tir.com> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 17:44:50 -0400 From: Jenifer Swanson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Author William S. Burroughs Dies X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199708041413.JAA24169@tscpl.lib.ks.us> <33E619E2.4827@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ This is a good essay honoring Burroughs. jenifer http://www.salonmagazine.com/aug97/news/news970804.html From babel-list-owner Mon Aug 4 15:48:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id PAA18100 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 15:48:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net (sweden-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.50]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id PAA18095 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 15:48:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [207.217.15.34] (pool034-max21.la-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.15.34]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA11925 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 15:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 15:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: mbella@earthlink.net (Craig Stoker) Subject: FYI - PS 1971 Rolling Stone Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ ---------- REVIEW OF LOTTE LENYA RECORDING. 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Texas residents must add 8.25% sales tax. http://www.abebooks.com/cgi/abe.exe/routera^_pr=oi^_ph=1^_bi=3260821 This mail was created 08/04/1997 07:08:24 AM and postmarked 08/04/1997 08:21:13 AM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "You will simply send back a report that there is no evidence of nova activity on planet earth." -Wm.S.Burroughs From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 5 06:46:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id GAA21983 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 06:46:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net (iceland-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.28]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id GAA21978 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 06:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [207.217.8.193] (pool043-nitro1.la-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.8.193]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA29027 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 06:46:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 06:46:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: mbella@earthlink.net (Craig Stoker) Subject: Wm.B Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Cassie Carter writ: >Did anyone see any "tributes" to Burroughs on TV this weekend? The only thing I saw was a brief mention of him on FOX news late Saturday night and a little "in the news now" listing on CNN Saturday afternoon. ...I rarely watch TV but NPR radio did more than a little bit on Wm.B yesterday and KCRW (Los Angeles) will have an entire program for 'Bill' on Friday. I'll try to post the time later. I'm still trying to get over the weird electronic and subconscious messages I received just prior to his death. --Y ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Let's go up the Metropole and suck some bubbly." -Wm.S.Burroughs From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 5 07:39:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id HAA22067 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 07:39:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from ozemail.com.au (server3.syd.mail.ozemail.net [203.108.7.41]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id HAA22062 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 07:39:33 -0700 (PDT) From: imail@thei.aust.com Received: from oznet07.ozemail.com.au (oznet07.ozemail.com.au [203.2.192.122]) by ozemail.com.au (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA09285 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 00:39:31 +1000 (EST) Received: from [203.108.5.224] (slsyd14p64.ozemail.com.au [203.108.5.224]) by oznet07.ozemail.com.au (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA29410 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 00:39:27 +1000 (EST) X-Sender: imail@thei.aust.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199708031400.KAA01409@gemini.smart.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 00:36:30 +1000 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: In Memory of Bill Burroughs - Site Online Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ See http://www.thei.aust.com/bill/burroughs.html for a 'cut-up', 'fold-in' site dedicated to the late and great hard man of Hip, WILLIAM S. BURROUGHS. Includes: feature article, interview, book excerpts, quotes from Burroughs and Gysin + an 'Images & Text' section, featuring Burroughs' art, quotes about his work + many photographs ... "What we call 'art' - painting, sculpture, writing, dance, music - is magical in origin. That is, it was originally employed for ceremonial purposes to produce very definite effects. In the world of magic nothing happens unless someone wants it to happen, and there are certain magical formulae to channel and direct the will. The artist is trying to make something happen in the mind of the viewer or reader." - William S. Burroughs From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 5 08:21:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id IAA22179 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 08:21:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from f58.hotmail.com (F58.hotmail.com [207.82.250.144]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id IAA22174 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 08:21:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by f58.hotmail.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA14850; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 08:20:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708051520.IAA14850@f58.hotmail.com> Received: from 198.80.139.234 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 1997 08:20:39 PDT X-Originating-IP: [198.80.139.234] From: "Phillip Ward" To: babel-list@postmodern.com Cc: gorimbaud@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 08:20:39 PDT Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ stoker writ re: mr.bill: "I'm still trying to get over the weird electronic and subconscious messages I received just prior to his death." yo stoker, elaborate. curious on the eastern front! :) phillip ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 5 10:22:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA22418 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 10:22:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from trapt.twi.com (gate.twi.com [207.25.35.3]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id KAA22413 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 10:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from twmail.twi.com by trapt.twi.com via smtpd (for [198.102.244.54]) with SMTP; 5 Aug 1997 17:22:42 UT Received: from WILSONSPC.timeinc.com by ecsmtp.twi.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA06582; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 13:21:46 -0400 Message-Id: <199708051721.NAA06582@ecsmtp.twi.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Wilson Smith" To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:23:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Live-Online Event of the Year-- tibetan concert? Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54 preview) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Hey, d00dZ, The utterly irrelevant cool site of the year awards are being voted on. The nominees for "Live-Online Event of the Year": * Deep Blue vs. Kasparov * Mars Pathfinder * The GIG * Webstock '96 * Tibetan Freedom Concert Personally, I had a blast doing the tibetan freedom thing... If you want to vote, here's an URL: http://www.cool.infi.net/csoty/csoty97_register.html --- Craig, funny stuff bout the electronic rumblings. Magnetic field out here has been a mess since last friday or saturday, and the static in my head has been particularly intense lately... W Wilson Smith neslon@panix.com Austin, Texas http://www.panix.com/~neslon The moon to the left of me is a part of my thoughts is a part of me is me. Whatever it is. -- Roky Erikson From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 5 12:07:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA22954 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:07:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from tir.com (sun.tir.com [205.138.41.6]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id MAA22949 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:07:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jswanson.tir.com (war68.tir.com [205.218.87.207]) by tir.com (8.7.5/8.7) with ESMTP id PAA22114 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33E779A7.CAA3EF17@tir.com> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 15:06:16 -0400 From: Jenifer Swanson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Spoken Word X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ According to Mercury Mail, "Spoken Word", Patti Smith (Tim/Kerr) was released today. Love and laughter jenifer From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 5 12:48:10 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA23138 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:48:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from inmet.com (mx1.inmet.com [141.199.15.7]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id MAA23133 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from camb.inmet.com by inmet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA12926; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:47:23 -0400 Received: from harp.i2ada by camb.inmet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA23602; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:47:22 -0400 Received: by harp.i2ada (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA22638; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:47:22 -0400 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:47:22 -0400 From: mg@dsd.camb.inmet.com (Mitch Gart) Message-Id: <199708051947.PAA22638@harp.i2ada> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Spoken Word Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Jenifer wrote: > According to Mercury Mail, "Spoken Word", Patti Smith (Tim/Kerr) was > released today. I dug around the Web, found a phone number for Tim/Kerr, 503 236-0013, called them, and they say the disc is "still caught up in legal" and not released yet. They say Patti called them and still wants to do it. The woman I spoke to said she has heard the disc and it sounds great. They're getting a lot of calls about it. No guess when it will be released. Damn! - Mitch From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 5 13:47:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id NAA23337 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 13:47:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from tir.com (sun.tir.com [205.138.41.6]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id NAA23332 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 13:47:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jswanson.tir.com (war48.tir.com [205.218.87.187]) by tir.com (8.7.5/8.7) with ESMTP id QAA16618 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:47:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33E7912E.CD25CAB1@tir.com> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 16:46:39 -0400 From: Jenifer Swanson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Spoken Word X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199708051947.PAA22638@harp.i2ada> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Sorry for the mis-information :( jenifer From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 5 15:26:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id PAA23725 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:26:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com (emout06.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.97]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id PAA23720 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:26:27 -0700 (PDT) From: TimJDF@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA07705 for babel@postmodern.com; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970805182511_1315640151@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: babel@postmodern.com Subject: Thanks Fiona Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Thanks, Fiona, for putting into words everything that went through my head when I first heard of Burrough's death. You said it all. Tim! From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 6 08:54:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id IAA28445 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:54:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id IAA28440 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:54:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3863 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1997 15:54:30 -0000 Received: from baphomet-24.d.enteract.com (HELO sunny.enteract.com) (207.229.148.24) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1997 15:54:30 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970806105451.0069b714@pop.enteract.com> X-Sender: sunny@pop.enteract.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 10:54:53 -0500 To: babel@postmodern.com From: Steve Glabman Subject: PATTI LIVE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Ok all you groovy guys and gals here is a hot scoop. FOr all the lucky souls out East Patti is playing a benefit in Boston with Lenny Kaye and Oliver. It is august 11, at Morse Auditorium, 602 commonwealth 8PM Hope someone out there can make it and give a first hand report or better yet a tape. "JOHNNY GETS UP, TAKES OFF HIS LEATHER JACKET" Steve in Space sunny@enteract.com Visual Arts & Poetry at: http://www.usk.org. From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 6 13:20:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id NAA29797 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 13:20:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from inmet.com (mx1.inmet.com [141.199.15.7]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id NAA29792 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 13:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from camb.inmet.com by inmet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA05285; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:19:34 -0400 Received: from harp.i2ada by camb.inmet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA15879; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:19:33 -0400 Received: by harp.i2ada (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA21797; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:19:33 -0400 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:19:33 -0400 From: mg@dsd.camb.inmet.com (Mitch Gart) Message-Id: <199708062019.QAA21797@harp.i2ada> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Boston meeting Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Would anybody like to meet after Patti's concert next Monday night in Boston? Our BU Photographic Resource Center mole tells us there aren't any great places to meet in that neighborhood, but that Pizzeria Uno in Kenmore Square, a couple of blocks from the concert, is where he usually goes. Complicating things, there's a Boston Red Sox night game August 11 at 7:05. This means driving to the concert and parking there will be hard, and taking the MTA would be a better idea, and it also means that if the concert gets out around the same time as the baseball game Uno's will be jammed. But anyway, anyone who would like to meet up after the concert, let's try to meet there, unless somebody has a better idea. 88 - Mitch From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 6 17:15:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id RAA00310 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 17:15:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from hirame.wwa.com (hirame.wwa.com [198.49.174.10]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id RAA00304 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 17:15:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [205.243.67.171] [205.243.67.171] by hirame.wwa.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.WWA) id m0wwGCN-000VaOC@hirame.wwa.com; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:14:22 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 19:13:03 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: bab@miso.wwa.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: bab@wwa.com (Bruce Beatus) Subject: Burroughs Memorial Tribute Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Received a call from a gallery owner in Kansas City today who has exhibited Burrough's works. He is going to attend a memorial service at this evening at 7:00 p.m. in Lawrence, KS in the University chapel. He seemed to think that a lot of people will be flying in to pay their respects. From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 6 17:57:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id RAA00428 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 17:57:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from acs-mail.bu.edu (root@ACS-MAIL.BU.EDU [128.197.153.100]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id RAA00423 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 17:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppp1.bu.edu (PPP-93-11.BU.EDU [128.197.9.99]) by acs-mail.bu.edu (8.8.5/BU_Server-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA40970 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 20:54:46 -0400 Message-ID: <33E91CBB.3739060E@bu.edu> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 20:54:19 -0400 From: JP Jacob X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Boston meeting X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199708062019.QAA21797@harp.i2ada> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Mitch Gart wrote: > Would anybody like to meet after Patti's concert next Monday night in > Boston? Our BU Photographic Resource Center mole tells us there > aren't > any great places to meet in that neighborhood, but that Pizzeria Uno > in Kenmore Square, a couple of blocks from the concert, is where he > usually goes. Complicating things, there's a Boston Red Sox night > game August 11 at 7:05. This means driving to the concert and parking > > there will be hard, and taking the MTA would be a better idea, and it > also means that if the concert gets out around the same time as the > baseball game Uno's will be jammed. But anyway, anyone who would > like to meet up after the concert, let's try to meet there, unless > somebody has a better idea. > > 88 > > - Mitch You know, i don't get out much, and I am pretty lazy, so there may actually be nicer places to go than Uno's (it's just close). But Mitch is right about competition with Red Sox fans (for example, Beerworks is near, but I wouldn't want to go there on a game night...). Anyway, do let me know what's going on after the show and I'll keep thinking about nicer places to meet. john -- jpjacob@bu.edu Photographic Resource Center at Boston University http://web.bu.edu/PRC From babel-list-owner Thu Aug 7 10:50:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA04345 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 10:50:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout19.mail.aol.com (emout19.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.45]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id KAA04340 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 10:50:25 -0700 (PDT) From: REMHEAD69@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout19.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA15986 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970807134707_141924710@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Burroughs Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ There is an interesting REMembrance of William S. Burroughs in The Village Voice (Aug. 12.) If you can't find it, send me a S.A.S.E. at the addy below, and I'll get it to you. Please e-mail me if you want it so I can secure enough copies for those interested. Bobby RemHead 26 Cliffwood Terrace East Rutherford, NJ 07073 ".....i settle for a cup of coffee, but you know what i really need. Leave me to lay, but touch me deep, I don't sleep, I dream. I'll settle for a cup of coffee, but you know what I REALLY need..." From babel-list-owner Thu Aug 7 17:35:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id RAA05931 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 17:35:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f From: 374738 - Merry Gregg Message-Id: <199708072316.QAA03997@mail.inreach.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Burroughs Memorial Tribute Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 16:16:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 2.1; Mac_PowerPC) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ http: //www.postmodern.com/~babel/archives/babel-list.9708 I attended Burroughs Memorial Tribute at Lawrence, KS in the University chapel... It was magic... He must have been in heaven!... (duh!) Merry From babel-list-owner Thu Aug 7 20:17:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id UAA00196 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:17:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from nickkean.ihug.co.nz (root@nickkean.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.249]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id UAA00191 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:17:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mcduda.ihug.co.nz (port968-Auck.ihug.co.nz [203.29.161.206]) by nickkean.ihug.co.nz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA07151 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 14:21:20 +1200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970808142131.006a0fec@pop.ihug.co.nz> X-Sender: mcduda@pop.ihug.co.nz X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 14:21:31 +1200 To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: Marty Subject: Manson review Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Addicted To Noise ran a review of Marilyn Manson's recent show in Toronto. Here is an excerpt that should be of interest to Babel-listers Marty Funny to say then that Manson's too subtle for many people, yet this seems to be the case. The most overtly rebellious thing he did in Toronto was to play his rendition of Patti Smith's "Rock And Roll Nigger" after being threatened with arrest for doing so by the lame-brained Toronto police, who thought the nearly 20-year-old song "racist." Duhhhhh. The Rev. Manson patiently explained that the lyrics instead refer to all people who are oppressed for "being the way they are," for thinking and/or looking different. Then, after a heartfelt dedication to "the fucking Canadian Police Force," he of course played a blazing version of Smith's rebel anthem. From babel-list-owner Thu Aug 7 21:53:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id VAA00422 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 21:53:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from kyoko.mpx.com.au (new-kyoko.mpx.com.au [203.2.75.38]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id VAA00417 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 21:53:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.compucon.com.au(really [203.2.75.79]) by kyoko.mpx.com.au via smtpd with esmtp id for ; Fri, 8 Aug 97 14:53:32 +1000 (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.13.SOL #30.20 built 28-jun-97) Received: from ANGELA by gatekeeper.compucon.com.au with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0wwh3d-000KAdC; Fri, 8 Aug 97 14:53 EST Date: Fri, 8 Aug 97 14:53 EST Message-Id: <2.2.16.19970808145546.0d2f04e2@192.0.0.1> X-Sender: angela_c@192.0.0.1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "angela_c@compucon.com.au" Subject: Re: Burroughs Memorial Tribute Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ At 04:16 PM 8/7/97 -0700, you wrote: >I attended Burroughs Memorial Tribute at Lawrence, KS in the University chapel... It was magic... He must have been in heaven!... (duh!) >Merry > More details please! Angela angela_c@compucon.com.au > > > From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 8 05:07:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA02843 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 05:07:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from cphub.mail.saic.com (cpmx.mail.saic.com [139.121.95.10]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id FAA02837 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 05:07:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cpqm.mail.saic.com by cpmx.mail.saic.com; Fri, 8 Aug 97 05:06:28 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 8 Aug 1997 08:05:20 -0800 From: "Steve Kenney" Subject: Re: Burroughs Memorial Trib To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ >>>He must have been in heaven!<<< there's a cartoon in this week's Washington (DC) City Paper that I actually found kind of amusing (though i suppose one COULD read it differently) -- Burroughs standing before God or St. Peter or whoever at the gates of heaven and saying "what the hell am i doing HERE?!?" From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 8 09:23:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id JAA03414 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 09:23:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from brickbat9.mindspring.com (brickbat9.mindspring.com [207.69.200.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id JAA03409 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 09:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip224.an1-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.12.224]) by brickbat9.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA15239 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 12:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 12:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970808122137.2a3fcdc8@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: eltyger@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" Subject: Re:[2] Burroughs Memorial Trib Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 1213 EDT // Fri 8 Aug 97 // BklnNYC Thancks skenny. That's just about a Perfect image... ************************************************************** >Date: 8 Aug 1997 08:05:20 -0800 >From: "Steve Kenney" >Subject: Re: Burroughs Memorial Trib >To: babel-list@postmodern.com ... >>>>He must have been in heaven!<<< > >there's a cartoon in this week's Washington (DC) City Paper that I actually >found kind of amusing (though i suppose one COULD read it differently) -- >Burroughs standing before God or St. Peter or whoever at the gates of heaven >and saying "what the hell am i doing HERE?!?" ************************************************************** "Radiant! Blazing! Unlike Anyone Else..." --// eLTyger --// /*RESPECT FOR THE ELECTRON(S)*/ --// /*SACRED LIGHTNING/ DANCE THE WORLD*/ From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 8 10:59:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA03604 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 10:59:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from brickbat9.mindspring.com (brickbat9.mindspring.com [207.69.200.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id KAA03599 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 10:59:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip249.an7-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.18.249]) by brickbat9.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA25605 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 13:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 13:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970808135817.490fb17e@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: eltyger@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" Subject: Re: William Burroughs Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 1348 EDT // Fri 8 Aug 97 // BklnNYC R. I. P. William Burroughs 1913 - 1997 ( Sat 2 Aug 97 // 2050 EDT ) To The Realm of Pirate Kings... GodBless/ Blessed Be/ GodSpeed/ From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 8 17:19:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id RAA04901 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:19:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from natasha.eden.com (root@natasha.eden.com [199.171.21.14]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id RAA04896 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:19:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from matrix.eden.com (net-5-062.austin.eden.com [206.81.247.62]) by natasha.eden.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA17645 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 19:19:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199708090019.TAA17645@natasha.eden.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: kaos@eden.com To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 19:17:28 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: boot review Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.19970808142131.006a0fec@pop.ihug.co.nz> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I was lucky to get an excellent new (?) boot today -- I didnt find it reviewed at the babel web site so here goes: Patti Smith: After The Rainbow Has Gone Again entire performance: Berlin Tempodrom 30.7.96 disc one: 1) Wing (4:55) 2) Dancing Barefoot (5:28) 3) Summer Cannibals (4:19) 4) Smoke On The Water (4:20) -- Jackson Smith 5) Wicked Messenger (4:20) 6) Redondo Beach (4:37) 7) Ghost Dance (6:58) 8) Beneath The Southern Cross (not listed on CD tract list; Patti quote: "this is for Oliver") 9) Hands of Fate (7:44) -- Lenny Kaye 10) Free Money (4:38) disc two: 11) About A Boy (10:50) 12) The Crystal Ship (3:22) 13) When Doves Cry / Incl: Ain't It Strange (9:20) 14) Because The Night (4:51) 15) Wild Leaves / Incl: People Have The Power (recitation) (6:55) 16) Gone Again (4:35) 17) People Have The Power (5:33) 18) Land / Incl: Horses, Land Of A Thousand Dances/ Gloria (10:55) 19) Farewell Reel (3:43) The sound quality is excellent (audience-tape). Patti sounds well rested and her voice is strong. The CD cover (B&W) shows her leaning against a doorway (?) in a hood. Inside is a color picture of her singing in a v-neck white t-shirt. I have many boots from the "Gone Again" period -- this is easily my favorite. kaos From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 8 19:43:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id TAA05203 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 19:43:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com (emout06.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.97]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id TAA05198 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 19:43:04 -0700 (PDT) From: TimJDF@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id WAA28443; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 22:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 22:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970808224154_31216417@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: babel@postmodern.com, psychic-tv@island.net Subject: Toto? Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Handmade sign seen in a bookstore next to the Burroughs books: William S. Burroughs He's not in Kansas anymore. Tim! From babel-list-owner Sat Aug 9 07:21:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id HAA00915 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 07:21:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout18.mail.aol.com (emout18.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id HAA00910 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 07:21:25 -0700 (PDT) From: GoRimbaud@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout18.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA20873 for babel-list@postmodern.com(send); Sat, 9 Aug 1997 10:20:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 10:20:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970809102051_-220479895@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com (send) Subject: thank you, Bill Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ ps/alm 23 revisited for William Burroughs The word is his shepherd he shall not want he spreads like the eagle upon the green hill boys of the Alhambra in vivid sash serve him still your orange juice, sir your fishing pole accepting all with tender grace and besting us with this advice children never be ashamed wrestle smile walk in sun thank you, Bill your will be done God grant you mind and medicine we draw our hearts and you within moral vested Gentleman (c) 1994 Patti Smith page 100 in EARLY WORKS From babel-list-owner Sat Aug 9 09:06:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id JAA01062 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 09:06:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mail.inreach.com (mail.inreach.com [205.138.224.216]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id JAA01057 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 09:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ppp5117.stk.inreach.net [205.138.252.117]) by mail.inreach.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/(InReach)) with SMTP id JAA08581 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 09:05:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 09:05:09 -0700 (PDT) From: 364327 - Marry Gregg Message-Id: <199708091605.JAA08581@mail.inreach.com> To: babel@postmodern.com Subject: http://www.postmodern.com/.../babel-list.9708 X-Mailer: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 2.1; Mac_PowerPC) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ http: //www.postmodern.com/~babel/archives/babel-list.9708 gosh... another obsession (this site)... (just what i need!...) i found this site while helping my son research the aftermath of patti's summerstage concert... we were on a trip to new york and saw the show totally by accident!... just by being in the right place...etc... (any of you out there still believe that "accident" / "right place at right time" stuff?)... he began research for his zine and i helped (kind of like shake 'n bake)... now i "find myself" in kansas (visiting same son)... and burroughs is gone... burroughs was / is the reason my mom came frighteningly close to snatching me out of that "one class / teacher in high school" that actually taught us something... (that in some cases changed our lives) the teacher wanted me to read naked lunch... my mom didn't!... i did... so there!... now i'm the "teacher" (first waldorf position begins 1/98)... and will begin the process of "spoonfeeding" the great writers of the 20th century and beyond... burroughs will be there!... ahhh... the freedom of private education... mgcg From babel-list-owner Sat Aug 9 15:48:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id PAA00817 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 15:48:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from york.interport.net (york.interport.net [199.184.165.8]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id PAA00812 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 15:48:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from #dalynyc.interport.com (ts3port24.port.net [207.38.249.24]) by york.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA25257 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 18:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33ECF444.5C32@interport.net> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 18:50:44 -0400 From: JED X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: http://www.postmodern.com/.../babel-list.9708 References: <199708091605.JAA08581@mail.inreach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 364327 - Marry Gregg wrote: > now i'm the "teacher" (first waldorf position begins 1/98)... and will begin > the process of "spoonfeeding" the great writers of the 20th century > and beyond... burroughs will be there!... > ahhh... the freedom of private education... > mgcg Welcome...you do one of the most important jobs there is! From babel-list-owner Sat Aug 9 17:19:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id RAA00972 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 17:19:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from powergrid.electriciti.com (root@powergrid.electriciti.com [198.5.212.11]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id RAA00966 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 17:19:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [198.5.212.60] (line15.cs6.electriciti.com [198.5.212.60]) by powergrid.electriciti.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA26982; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 17:27:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 17:24:07 -0700 To: babel@postmodern.com From: runner Subject: Re: A wake for William Cc: jgballard@simons-rock.edu, bstoffma@lausd.k12.ca.us, azulado@aol.com, ChrisHein@aol.com, Dfroley@aol.com, thau@hotwired.com, EugeneAhn@aol.com, Raminocs@aol.com, jill@jillbell.com, 6500ljn@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu, Marioka7@aol.com, oktober@post.cis.smu.edu, piers@humnet.ucla.edu, googie@wam.umd.edu, tpreece@pacbell.net, vpaul@gwdi.com Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ << start of forwarded material >> Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 17:40:14 -0500 Reply-To: Patricia Elliott Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" From: Patricia Elliott Subject: Re: A wake for William Comments: To: Antoine Maloney To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU Antoine Maloney wrote: > > Patricia, > > A lovely post about waking Burroughs at his house. Most of us who > have waked parents, family or friends will testify to the wondeful emotions > of it all - at least afted the fact when remembering ourselves rememberibg > washes out the loss. Please tell us who else came by his house. > > Antoine > Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal > > "An anarchist is someone who doesn't need a cop to tell him what to do!" > -- Norman Navrotsky and Utah Phillips i have the worst memory in town for names. I also tred on ice as i talk of others mourning and death and visions. I will share what i have written about the day that william died. broken through the ice and drowning. Patricia Around 8:30 at night, I get a call from Wayne Propst, he said," Patricia, William has died. We knew this would happen sooner or later." I ask "when?", He said "a couple of hours ago. he got sick yesterday and l and this evening he was asleep and he just quit breathing" I am alone in the room with him now, James is out making arrangements". I said "your alone with him in his room. Wayne said yes. and I asked what room are you at, his house.? Wayne says no no I am at the hospital in the ICU wing. We got off the phone and I walked around the house, my chest got tighter and tighter , then I told my husband I was going to the hospital. I went up to the ICU wing and asked to be admitted to the room, and Wayne came out and gave me a hug and we went into the room to sit. My body was tight with bands. I entered the room and there was William laid on the bed, in pajamas and I was immediately filled with a sense of peace and my whole body relaxed. I walked over to him and touched his arm. He looked so peaceful and strong. I was flashed back to the day I first met him in Texas, I was sitting in Ohles living room in Austin, he came in and I looked up and said , hell they didn't tell me you were big and strong, he chuckled , sat down and we started talking right off. Seeing him on the bed he looked strong again, he was straight , he didn't look frail and a little hunched over like he had these last few years. His corpse looked younger and strong. It was eerie. His pallor was a steel grey color, his head dominant, his body looked full again, thin, solid, his great beak with his bald head ( little down of hair) looked completely at peace and relaxed. I felt his presence there. he was always a gracious host. We sat down and Wayne who is the most reliable person to tell a story, talked. James came in the room and we hugged and then James turned to William and clasped him crying and sobbing in the most utterly broken hearted way. I had never seen James more beautiful. I thought, god, James was son and father to William. The love and respect that I had observed between those two over the years flashed through my thoughts like bursting series of lights. We sat and talked about William, how he was fine and feeling good on Thursday, and that he had been writing about losing his beloved Fletch. Fletch died two weeks ago. I thought of how much William relished life and how interested he always was in these certain subjects. . By now PT, Bill Rich, James, Wayne and I were there. Ohle and McCrary were out of town, we tried to call Fred and there was no answer. They decided to have someone go and tell George personallly in the early morning. Dean Ripa came into the room, he was visiting William this week, he acted irrational and said silly things. I decided to go up and hug him with hopes that it would quiet him. James got up and then sat on his knees by williams' bed. His arms over William. I felt like it was a series of saying good bye. I said that I would go and watch over Williams house, I really wanted Dean to go back and do that but he said he would do that later. I went over to William and kissed him on the cheek, it felt very natural, I always liked kissing William. I went and sat in Williams drive way, this was around 12:30, clear, warm, summer night. Some one come up and placed a bouquet on the porch. I started crying there in the dark feeling sorry for myself because I knew I would miss him so much. I had this strong sense that he wasn't gone yet. I went to Dillons and brought two lavender roses and came back and placed them on Williams porch, sit there for a while and stroked ginger. (Williams' old puck faced orange alley cat). << end of forwarded material >> From babel-list-owner Sat Aug 9 19:16:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id TAA01146 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 19:16:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from acs-mail.bu.edu (root@ACS-MAIL.BU.EDU [128.197.153.100]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id TAA01141 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 19:16:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppp1.bu.edu (PPP-76-24.BU.EDU [128.197.7.204]) by acs-mail.bu.edu (8.8.5/BU_Server-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA56196 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 22:15:32 -0400 Message-ID: <33ED2422.7CE5CD9B@bu.edu> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 22:14:59 -0400 From: JP Jacob X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: http://www.postmodern.com/.../babel-list.9708 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199708091605.JAA08581@mail.inreach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 364327 - Marry Gregg wrote: > gosh... another obsession (this site)... (just what i need!...) > i found this site while helping my son research the aftermath of > patti's summerstage concert... we were on a trip to new york and > saw the show totally by accident!... just by being in the right > place...etc... > (any of you out there still believe that "accident" / "right place at > right time" stuff?)... > he began research for his zine and i helped (kind of like shake 'n > bake)... > now i "find myself" in kansas (visiting same son)... and burroughs is > gone... > burroughs was / is the reason my mom came frighteningly close to > snatching me out of that "one class / teacher in high school" that > actually taught us something... (that in some cases changed our lives) > > the teacher wanted me to read naked lunch... my mom didn't!... > i did... so there!... > now i'm the "teacher" (first waldorf position begins 1/98)... and will > begin > the process of "spoonfeeding" the great writers of the 20th century > and beyond... burroughs will be there!... > ahhh... the freedom of private education... > mgcg That's some interesting mix, Burroughs and Steiner. I don't know... John -- jpjacob@bu.edu Photographic Resource Center at Boston University http://web.bu.edu/PRC From babel-list-owner Sun Aug 10 10:51:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA04250 for babel-list-outgoing; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:51:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id KAA04245 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:51:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [0.0.0.0.] (fi.smart.net [205.219.246.223]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA23960 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 13:51:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199708101751.NAA23960@gemini.smart.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Fiona Webster" Organization: http://www.oceanstar.com To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 13:37:28 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: news from BMG Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I just heard from Chris Blake, who works for BMG music, Arista's distributor: > Subject: She's back. > > New album ...maybe September. > > Patti Smith > >-10 tracks on the album. > >-"Dead City" > >-"Waiting Underground" (very Neil Young sounding track). > >-"1959" (about the take over of Tibet and a recapping of the years' >events) . > >-"Whirl Away" (rhythmic=moving). > >-PBS Session Studio 54 airs 9/27. > >-Tour begins on West Coast, dates to be announced. --Fiona From babel-list-owner Sun Aug 10 11:14:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA04329 for babel-list-outgoing; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:14:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mail1.sirius.com (mail1.sirius.com [205.134.253.131]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id LAA04324 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:14:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [205.134.227.16] (ppp016-sf1.sirius.net [205.134.227.16]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.04) with ESMTP id LAA15796 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:14:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: michael@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199708090019.TAA17645@natasha.eden.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19970808142131.006a0fec@pop.ihug.co.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:22:16 -0700 To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: zab & mike Subject: a bargain for sf babellers... Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ booksmith on haight has a hardcover copy of _early works_ remaindered (!!??!) for $5.99. .02, zab From babel-list-owner Sun Aug 10 11:20:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA04380 for babel-list-outgoing; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:20:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com (emout06.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.97]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id LAA04375 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:20:27 -0700 (PDT) From: TMPJAccas@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA28758 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 14:19:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 14:19:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970810141952_165895692@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: a bargain for sf babellers... Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ WHATS THE ADDRESS FOR THE BOOKSMITH SITE!!!!!!!!! thanks~~Mike From babel-list-owner Sun Aug 10 11:44:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA04438 for babel-list-outgoing; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:44:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mail1.sirius.com (mail1.sirius.com [205.134.253.131]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id LAA04433 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [205.134.227.16] (ppp016-sf1.sirius.net [205.134.227.16]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.04) with ESMTP id LAA16621 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:44:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: michael@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <970810141952_165895692@emout06.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:52:10 -0700 To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: zab & mike Subject: Re: a bargain for sf babellers... Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ >WHATS THE ADDRESS FOR THE BOOKSMITH SITE!!!!!!!!! >thanks~~Mike whoops. i forgot that. the street address is 1644 haight, sf ca 94117 ph # is 415-863-8688 and i did a search for a website, & it is http://www.booksmith.com/ they do have the p.smith book listed under the sale books. act quickly- there was only one! -zab -- "i'd give anything just to have that dream again." -mike story From babel-list-owner Sun Aug 10 23:40:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id XAA00127 for babel-list-outgoing; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 23:40:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from tir.com (sun.tir.com [205.138.41.6]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id OAA04671 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 14:09:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jswanson.tir.com (war75.tir.com [205.218.87.214]) by tir.com (8.7.5/8.7) with ESMTP id RAA22254 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 17:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33EE2DC6.9FE92AC1@tir.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 17:08:26 -0400 From: Jenifer Swanson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: PBS Sessions URL X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199708101751.NAA23960@gemini.smart.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I accidently deleted this URL from my bookmarks and now can't find the site. Can anybody help? Thanks jenifer From babel-list-owner Sun Aug 10 23:57:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id XAA00405 for babel-list-outgoing; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 23:57:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mail.inreach.com (mail.inreach.com [205.138.224.216]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id XAA00400 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 23:57:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [205.138.251.43] (ppp4043.stk.inreach.net [205.138.251.43]) by mail.inreach.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/(InReach)) with SMTP id UAA04810 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 20:15:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: merryg@mail.inreach.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 20:20:47 +0100 To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: merryg@inreach.com (Merry Gregg) Subject: Re: http://www.postmodern.com/.../babel-list.9708 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ >That's some interesting mix, Burroughs and Steiner. I don't know... > >John >-- >jpjacob@bu.edu >Photographic Resource Center at Boston University >http://web.bu.edu/PRC really!... wouldn't you have liked to have been a fly on the wall if a discussion between those two had ever thaken place!... although they probably weren't as far apart as our perceptions of them might imply... hum... merry From babel-list-owner Mon Aug 11 06:47:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id GAA02936 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 06:47:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Message-Id: <199708102311.QAA12260@smtp.well.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "C. Ross" To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 18:12:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: early works Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <199708090019.TAA17645@natasha.eden.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ > booksmith on haight has a hardcover copy of > _early works_ remaindered (!!??!) for $5.99. > > I've seen "early works" remaindered at 2 bookstores here in Austin, so I suspect you can probably find a 1/2 price (or cheaper) copy just 'bout anywhere. s5 From babel-list-owner Mon Aug 11 08:32:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id IAA03201 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:32:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from host502.corbis.com (host502.corbis.com [205.142.245.246]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id IAA03196 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:32:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exchange.corbis.com (exchange.corbis.com [205.142.244.28]) by host502.corbis.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA17777 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:39:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by exchange.corbis.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.57) id <01BCA630.A55E1A20@exchange.corbis.com>; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:29:12 -0700 Message-ID: From: Tom Wear To: "'babel-list@postmodern.com'" Subject: RE: PBS Sessions URL Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:29:10 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.57 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ That would be: http://sessionsatwest54th.com/ TW >---------- >From: Jenifer Swanson[SMTP:jswanson@tir.com] >Sent: Sunday, August 10, 1997 2:08 PM >To: babel-list@postmodern.com >Subject: PBS Sessions URL > >the site. Can anybody help? > > >Thanks >jenifer > > From babel-list-owner Mon Aug 11 12:04:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA03852 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:04:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from connectnet1.connectnet.com (connectnet1.connectnet.com [207.110.0.50]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id MAA03847 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dan.pint.com (pc3.pint.com [206.251.142.7]) by connectnet1.connectnet.com (8.8.7/CONNECTnet-4.0/NORELAY) with SMTP id MAA07063 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708111904.MAA07063@connectnet1.connectnet.com> X-Sender: dan@sun.pint.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: Dan Whitworth Subject: WSB, so long! Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ A free concert in San Diego's Balboa Park on Saturday, August 9 included a tribute to William S. Burroughs. A friend of mine was DJ'ing between bands so we put something together. We kicked it off with Burroughs reading 'Uranian Willy' (aka 'Towers Open Fire') from "Call Me Burroughs." Then I said a few words about WSB, quoted from JG Ballard's Burroughs obituary, and introduced local poet Marc Kockinos. After Marc read some of his own material, not WSB-specific but very appropriate, I read portions of "The Western Lands." This started with the book's opening paragraphs about The Old Writer, segued into the last chapter's section about the cat Smoker whose return coincided with The Old Writer's death by coronary, and ended with the book's final paragraph: "Hurry up, please. It's time." At the time, I had no idea that WSB's cat Fletch had died two weeks before WSB himself. I chose this text because the image of the mysterious black cat as an emissary or embodiment of loving death seemed appropriate. (My own cat Gandy had died the night before, just a few months short of 15 years, but I had already chosen the text before that.) To top it all off, a beloved aunt of mine had died a few weeks earlier, so I felt as if I was reading not just for Burroughs but for all who have gone, all who are mourning. Through some oversight, I was never introduced to the audience, but that was fine by me: I felt more comfortable just being some anonymous guy, reading for the dead. After I read, we played 'The Western Lands (a dangerous road mix)' from Material's recently reissued "Seven Souls" and other Burroughs recordings, some with music, some without. Some people in the sparse (and somewhat random) crowd obviously didn't know who WSB was, but quite a few of them really enjoyed hearing him read. 'The Lexington Narcotic Hospital' got quite a few laughs ("Doctor, when you die I wanna be buried in the same coffin with you!" --- "Ask me what the American flag means to me, doc, and I'll tell ya-- soak it in heroin and I'll suck it!"). A watched some women in the front row at the Organ Pavilion who kept asking each other 'What is this?' but they were obviously getting into it, particularly Dr. Benway's attempted apendectomy in "Twilight's Last Gleaming." When the next band, Wormhole Effect, came on, my friend continued to DJ, having become their official provider of additional sound textures some time back; he included some more Burroughs reading throughout their set. As this was going on, a teenager approached me and asked "Where did you get the phonographs of the great poet?" I wrote down the titles of some Burroughs recordings that are still in print and he walked away happy. Another fellow, closer to my age (but probably on the farther side of forty) spotted my t-shirt, which features a repeating pattern of Burroughs' face and a foreground image of a smiling WSB with pistol and fedora. "Great shirt," he said, in almost awe-struck tones. Then he surprised me by putting his hands on my shoulders and sadly contemplating Burroughs' face! "I used to live in St. Louis," he told me ruefully as he raised his face to mine. "I know his house." As he walked away, he murmeured, "I can't believe he's gone." Well, who can? --Dan Whitworth From babel-list-owner Mon Aug 11 16:50:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id QAA04664 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:50:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com (brickbat8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.11]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id QAA04659 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip145.an1-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.12.145]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA24838 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970811194917.32375fec@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: eltyger@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" Subject: Re: *Performance* Log Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 0000 EDT // Mon 11 Aug 97 // BklnNYC In Memoriam: William S. Burroughs 1914 - 1997 GodBless/ Blessed Be/ GodSpeed/ \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Tonight, Mon 11 Aug 97, Patti Smith, Lenny Kaye and Oliver Ray are to Perform at the Morse Auditorium, 602 Commonwealth Ave., in Boston MA. The Performance is to be a Reading; a Benefit in Support of the Photographic Resource Center of Boston University, and takes place in conjunction with the current exhibition: *Extended Play: Between Rock and an Art Space*. Patti and Oliver both have Works on display in the Exhibition, as do Laurie Anderson, Lou Reed, and Others. The Gallery is to be open tonight until 7:30PM; The Exhibition is to continue until Aug 17th. Although tonight's Performance is Sold-Out, the BoxOffice may be accessed at (617) 353-0700 for Information. Weather conditions in Boston are Clear, Warm, and Humid. Parking at the Site will be difficult as there is to be a Baseball game underway at Fenway Park. Some of Us are Known to be Attending this Show, so the Rest of Us may Hope to see Reviews, Setlists, and...News of Other materials, within mere Hours (PleezPleezPleez...). Patti's next Confirmed Appearance is to be as "Host" of *Liss Ard '97*, an Eco-Festival in Skibbereen, West Cork, Ireland, Sep 3-7, 1997. It is not yet known if this Appearance is to include a Performance...(Oh Surely it *Must*...) UnConfirmed News (from a reliable Source) has the New Recording Appearing as early as September, with a tour to begin in California later in the Fall. 'TilAgain, "Take Care of Yourselves; And of One Another." ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// GodBless/ Blessed Be/ GodSpeed/ All Performance Data Courtesy Babelogue/ Fiona OceanStar/ And DiversHands/ --// eLTyger --// /*RESPECT FOR THE ELECTRON(S)*/ --// /*SACRED LIGHTNING/ DANCE THE WORLD*/ From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 12 01:09:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id BAA13514 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 01:09:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id BAA13509 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 01:09:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [0.0.0.0.] (fi.smart.net [205.219.246.223]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA04250 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 04:10:21 -0400 Message-Id: <199708120810.EAA04250@gemini.smart.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Fiona Webster" Organization: http://www.oceanstar.com To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 03:56:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: *Performance* Log Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1.5.4.16.19970811194917.32375fec@pop.pipeline.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Oooh... did any babelers go? I'm eager to hear, lonely for Patti on this warm summer night.... --Fiona From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 12 04:57:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id EAA14050 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 04:57:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from inmet.com (mx1.inmet.com [141.199.15.7]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id EAA14045 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 04:57:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from camb.inmet.com by inmet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA29070; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 07:57:02 -0400 Received: from harp.i2ada by camb.inmet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA16286; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 07:57:02 -0400 Received: by harp.i2ada (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA04577; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 07:57:01 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 07:57:01 -0400 From: mg@dsd.camb.inmet.com (Mitch Gart) Message-Id: <199708121157.HAA04577@harp.i2ada> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Boston show Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I went. Didn't write down the set list, will have to wait for the tape, or maybe another babelista will post it first. The show was 1 1/2 hours in a hot auditorium. It was scheduled for 8, and there was an announcement about 8:10 by babel-list's own John Jacobs that Patti would be ready in a few minutes, then about 8:30 she, Lenny, and Oliver came out through the curtains at center stage, along with (I think) Jackson carrying guitar cases. They sat on 3 metal chairs in the center of the stage, Lenny on Patti's left and Oliver on her right. First Patti read a poem by Ginsberg, I think, accompanied by the two guitars strumming some very minimalist chords written by Oliver to go with the poem. Then she read Piss Factory, with the usual passion, except (as she later explained) she held back her spit out of respect for the fact that the performance was in a Synagogue. One nice difference was that at the end the crowd let her get out the "and I will travel light" line, which is often drowned by applause. Then she sang Wing, and Dancin Barefoot, which got the crowd going. Throughout the evening she went back and forth between acoustic songs and readings of poems, which included Y and Georgia O'Keefe and something about Jackson Pollock, I don't know if it's a poem that's written down or something she improvised on the spot. This was the most fascinating piece of the evening. Patti talked a little about Pollock riding in a car through the hot summer night, surrounded by beautiful women, riding to his death I think. The guys picked up different acoustic guitars, ones with metal latticeworks on the front, which made of a jangly sound, and they picked more than strummed some music above the words. Patti talked a bit, then closed her eyes as the boys picked, then emerged to talk some more, then closed her eyes a couple of minutes and just let the music surround her. I thought she would raise her head again and say some more, but instead she just gave one of her thousand-watt smiles as the music faded away. There was one semi-new song Patti did last night, it's one she did a couple of times last fall, I think it's called Grateful and it has a line about silver threads. Also one totally new song she was nervous about performing for the first time live. I can't recall the name but she said it was written last Easter in Provincetown about some events that had occurred, and it's about 39 or 59 children who died. Sorry for the vagueness on that one. Patti closed with an acoustic People Have The Power, then came back for an encore and said it was nice of us to cheer so much, but she hadn't planned any more songs, so she let everybody yell out requests, and got asked for Free Money ("yeah, right") and Horses and Dark Eyes and Wooly Bully (!) and "anything", and she answered "anything, I like that request" and then sang Because the Night. It was a wonderful show where Patti's warmth really came through, as well as her endearing confusion. While having trouble adjusting a mic, she said she needs to take one of those sound engineering classes they have on the back of a matchbook. Afterwards 3 of us went to the pizzeria and found lots of Red Sox fans but nobody who looked like they were from the concert (but then, how do you tell in August when everybody's hot and wearing shorts and t-shirts.) - Mitch From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 12 07:41:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id HAA14385 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 07:41:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from powergrid.electriciti.com (root@powergrid.electriciti.com [198.5.212.11]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id HAA14380 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 07:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [198.5.212.243] (line06.cs2.electriciti.com [198.5.212.243]) by powergrid.electriciti.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA16665 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 07:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199708120800.BAA13476@server.postmodern.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 07:45:59 -0700 To: babel@postmodern.com From: runner Subject: re: WSB, so long! Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ > From: Dan Whitworth > Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:04:36 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: WSB, so long! > > A free concert in San Diego's Balboa Park on Saturday, August 9 included a > tribute to William S. Burroughs. A friend of mine was DJ'ing between bands Dan, thanx fo the rundown. Wish I coulda been there. Did you post this to the list beforehand?? Douglas http://www.electriciti.com/babu/ | 0 | step aside, and let the man go thru | { - | ----> let the man go thru | /\ | super bon-bon (soul coughing) ========= From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 12 17:48:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id RAA15789 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:48:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mailsorter-2.isp.alma.webtv.net (mailsorter-2.isp.alma.webtv.net [205.180.153.86]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id RAA15784 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:48:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailtod-103.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.83]) by mailsorter-2.isp.alma.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.graham.02jul97) with ESMTP id RAA05450; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:48:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-103.bryant.webtv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA16744; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708130048.RAA16744@mailtod-103.bryant.webtv.net> From: garrow@webtv.net (Linda Highland) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:48:38 -0400 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Boston show Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Mitch already gave a detailed account of the show; I just thought I'd add a few things. I think the thing that impressed/surprised me most about the show was Patti's wonderful sense of humor. A couple pieces into the set a couple arrived late: Patti gave an exagerated sigh and said she was afraid they weren't going to make it, she'd stalled for as long as she could. "I spent a half hour in the bathroom" Deadpan. "Fixin' my hair". The crowd howled. OK, it was MUCH funnier when she said it, and her sense of timing was impeccable. The other thing......those who have mentioned a possible "relationship" between Patti and Oliver.....boy, was this ever apparent. People who seemed never to have heard OF Oliver, much less any romantic musings, were saying things like "Are they boyfriend/girlfriend, or what?" There was a big green line conversation about this....(That's the MBTA rpute the show was on, for you non-Bostonians...)At one point , discussing the "beautiful women " in Provincetown and Oliver's inability to talk to any of them, Patti said she'd "put the word out" for them to leave him alone. Lenny did a great Waylon Jennings cover, and Patti's version of Hank William's I'm So Lonesome I could Cry was one of the highlights for me . This was my first time seeing Patti--and I've been a fan since the seventies! Knowing it was an acoustic show I was expecting it to be fairly low key, and was pleasantly surprised with the passion and intensity of Patti's performance. Great job, John! Also enjoyed the newer gallery exhibits, especially Kathy Chapman's shots of local musicians. But it's a good thing that Miss Xanna Don't is in Austin....I bet she'd raise a ruckus at being captioned Zanna! From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 12 19:11:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id TAA15989 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:11:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net (iceland-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.28]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id TAA15982 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [207.217.8.48] (pool062-max5.pasadena-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.21.137]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA08591 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel@postmodern.com From: mbella@earthlink.net (Craig Stoker) Subject: Danny boy in San Dee egga Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ re: >Subject: WSB, so long! >A free concert in San Diego's Balboa Park on Saturday, August 9 included a tribute to William S. Burroughs.... Thanks for that Dan! I always knew there wuz sumthin' I liked 'boutcha! Yer a Johnson!! Ciao, --Yana Ya Ya ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The game is rigged! Take the place apart!" -Wm.S.Burroughs From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 12 21:27:48 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id VAA16184 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:27:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com (emout04.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.95]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id VAA16179 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:27:39 -0700 (PDT) From: JANAL8@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id AAA27555 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 00:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 00:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970813002658_247960394@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Boston show Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Great review, Mitch - us people way down south WHO NEVER GET TO SEE HER - really appreciate it. Thanks sincerely....... Al in Tx. From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 12 22:06:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id WAA16339 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:06:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mail.chireader.com (root@[204.95.48.10]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id WAA16334 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:06:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [204.95.48.117] (mkendrick [204.95.48.117]) by mail.chireader.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA03899 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 00:05:34 -0500 X-Sender: mkendrick@204.95.48.10 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199708120800.BAA13476@server.postmodern.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 00:11:04 +0100 To: babel@postmodern.com From: Monica Kendrick Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #281 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ -------------- > >From: Dan Whitworth >Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:04:36 -0700 (PDT) >Subject: WSB, so long! > >At the time, I had no idea that WSB's cat Fletch had died two weeks before >WSB himself. I chose this text because the image of the mysterious black cat >as an emissary or embodiment of loving death seemed appropriate. (My own cat >Gandy had died the night before, just a few months short of 15 years, but I >had already chosen the text before that.) To top it all off, a beloved aunt >of mine had died a few weeks earlier, so I felt as if I was reading not just >for Burroughs but for all who have gone, all who are mourning. Through some >oversight, I was never introduced to the audience, but that was fine by me: >I felt more comfortable just being some anonymous guy, reading for the dead. > >Another fellow, closer to my age (but probably on the farther side of forty) >spotted my t-shirt, which features a repeating pattern of Burroughs' face >and a foreground image of a smiling WSB with pistol and fedora. "Great >shirt," he said, in almost awe-struck tones. Then he surprised me by putting >his hands on my shoulders and sadly contemplating Burroughs' face! "I used >to live in St. Louis," he told me ruefully as he raised his face to mine. "I >know his house." As he walked away, he murmeured, "I can't believe he's gone." > >Well, who can? > >- --Dan Whitworth > Dan, this is beautiful. Incredibly moving. I wish I had been there. There's a pretty interesting piece in the Chicago Reader this week about Burroughs, by a colleague of mine who made the pilgrimage to Lawrence as a callow youth. It's not as spectacular as that, but it's pretty nice too. If people are interested, I'll post it. BTW, the new Geraldine Fibbers album is terrific. Highly recommended. Everything from country death waltzes to a really fucked-up Can cover, and Nels Cline has joined them on guitar...here's a link to an essay their frontwoman Carla Bozulich wrote about Patti: http://www.best.com/~djsq/apps.html 14 hours typesetting and my shoulders hurt. I love you all very much. Monica From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 13 04:36:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id EAA18825 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 04:36:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from inmet.com (mx1.inmet.com [141.199.15.7]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id EAA18820 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 04:36:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from camb.inmet.com by inmet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA23807; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 07:36:01 -0400 Received: from harp.i2ada by camb.inmet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA10040; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 07:36:00 -0400 Received: by harp.i2ada (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA07319; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 07:35:59 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 07:35:59 -0400 From: mg@dsd.camb.inmet.com (Mitch Gart) Message-Id: <199708131135.HAA07319@harp.i2ada> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Boston show Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Set list from August 11, 1997, Morse Auditorium, Boston University Photographic Resource Center: intro by John Jacobs Footnote to Hal (poem by Allen Ginsberg?) Piss Factory Wing Dancin Barefoot Grateful Beneath the Southern Cross Ghost Dance Psalm 23 Revisited for William Burroughs Weep for Lily (? written by Oliver, sung by Oliver and then Patti joined in for the last verse) Jackson Pollock Love of the Common People (by Waylon Jennings, sung by Lenny) I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry (by Hank Williams) Last Call (new song by Patti and Oliver, sung by Patti) Y People Have the Power Because the Night (encore) Also Georgia O'Keefe was in there somewhere Also from die-hard Patti fan Glenn, who arrived early and snuck in and hid in the back during the sound check, the sound check songs were: So Lonesome I could Cry, Wing, Last Call, Oliver Ray`s new one, Common People[lenny]. - Mitch From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 13 05:46:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA18950 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 05:46:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net (sweden-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.50]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id FAA18945 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 05:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [207.217.7.195] (pool071-max1.pasadena.ca.us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.7.221]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA02375 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 05:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 05:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel@postmodern.com From: mbella@earthlink.net (Craig Stoker) Subject: PS&F in Boston Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Thanks Mitch and Linda! It was great to have my espresso and read yer reviews this morn. I don't know which got me more cranked today! Best blessings! --Yana ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The game is rigged! Take the place apart!" -Wm.S.Burroughs From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 13 08:05:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id IAA19545 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 08:05:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id IAA19537 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 08:04:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (F71.hotmail.com [207.82.250.157]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id IAA03525 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 08:02:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 27469 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 1997 15:04:00 -0000 Message-ID: <19970813150400.27467.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.80.139.234 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 08:04:00 PDT X-Originating-IP: [198.80.139.234] From: "Phillip Ward" To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Boston tape? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 08:04:00 PDT Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ did anyone tape the event in boston? if so, let us know for tape trading! sounds like it was a great evening. thanks for the reviews and set list folks! mary returns from italy on saturday!!! GoBabelGo!!! my best, blesseed be, phillip ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 13 10:31:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA20118 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:31:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from guelah.nexen.com (guelah.nexen.com [204.249.96.19]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id KAA20113 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:31:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maelstrom.nexen.com (maelstrom.nexen.com [204.249.97.5]) by guelah.nexen.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA22277 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phish.nexen.com (phish.nexen.com [204.249.99.14]) by maelstrom.nexen.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA22254 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [204.249.97.97] (bk.nexen.com [204.249.97.97]) by phish.nexen.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA09830 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:30:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: kendall@pop Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:31:42 -0500 To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: kendall@nexen.com (Brian Kendall) Subject: Re: Boston show Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Sorry for the late response, I stayed in Boston all day yesterday and didn't have access to a computer. I finally attended a Patti Smith show! (my first). Thanks to Mitch for the setlist, It's as accurate as I can recall. Linda's account also filled in alot of details, I'll try to keep mine from being redundant. The first reading, "Footnote to Howl", -wasn't this the one published in Rolling Stone recently? It started with Patti repeating :"Holy Holy Holy Holy Holy over and over about fifteen times (really a cool way to open). Piss factory was very powerful and Wing proved that her voice is in great shape - the high notes were so pure! - really stirring. Her voice struck me this way all night - better than any live tapes I've heard - but then again maybe that's because I've never seen her live. I loved her banter with the crowd she was very funny and warm, when she mentioned that she would be reading a poem about Georgia Okeefe, someone started to applaud and stopped short to let Patti continue speaking, she said "it's OK, you can clap for Georgia Okeefe" - followed by a big round of applause, later she mentioned Hank Williams and paused for a minor round of applause for Hank, she replied "Oh I can tell this is an art crowd, Georgia Okeefe got alot more applause than Hank Williams" Lenny's song was great and done very powerfully, Oliver's ? - well. I'll quote my wife who is a big fan of Patti's music, during Oliver's song she turned to me and said, "who the fuck is Oliver Ray anyway?" let's just say we weren't moved during that song. She introduced "Grateful" as a song inspired by Jerry Garcia's hair (which explains the silver thread line in the song). The new material was excellent, I can't wait for the album - very melodic and again in Patti's favorite 3/4 timing. The Jackson Pollac prose piece was amazing. Somewhere before or after the song she mentioned Jackson Pollack as the reason so many kids have those spin art things at home, "I think I even have some at my house" she continued. She introduced PHTP as a song written by Jackson & Jesse's father. during the encore when people were yelling out requests, someone yelled "Come Into My Kitchen" and Patti replied, "why, do ya got somethin goin on in there?" "Because The Night" was the best live version I've heard, again the vocals were the highlight. And all acoustic! If Natalie Merchant heard this version she would have asked her record company to pull hers from the shelves. Now I can't wait 'til Patti comes back with the whole band! BK From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 13 11:25:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA20376 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:25:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from trapt.twi.com (gate.twi.com [207.25.35.3]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id LAA20371 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from twmail.twi.com by trapt.twi.com via smtpd (for server.postmodern.com [198.102.244.54]) with SMTP; 13 Aug 1997 18:24:47 UT Received: from WILSONSPC.timeinc.com by ecsmtp.twi.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA22041; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:23:51 -0400 Message-Id: <199708131823.OAA22041@ecsmtp.twi.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Wilson Smith" To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:25:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: (Fwd) Re: Sheet Music CC: abird000@counsel.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54 preview) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Anybody know how to play the piano part for Piss Factory? If so, send a note to abird000@counsel.com Thanks... W ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:26:20 -0700 From: abird000@counsel.com Reply-to: abird000@counsel.com To: Wilson Smith Subject: Re: Sheet Music Wilson Smith wrote: > > On 5 Aug 97 at 18:17, abird000@counsel.com wrote: > > > I am desperate to get hold of the piano sheet music for "Piss Factory" > > and would be so grateful for any ideas... > > Can I forward your note to babel-list, the patti smith mailing list? At any > rate, am cc'ing a musician pal in case he can point you in the right > direction... > > W > > Wilson Smith neslon@panix.com > Austin, Texas http://www.panix.com/~neslon > > It kills my soul; hey hey hey hey! -- Brian Wilson Yes! That would be brilliant, hugely grateful. I guess if I had an ounce of talent I could play it by ear but it's so bloody jazzy... Cheers again - Penny From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 13 13:31:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id NAA20985 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:31:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from teleplex.net (root@teleplex.net [205.218.215.1]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id NAA20980 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:31:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from efc8546a.dukepower.com ([162.113.83.197]) by teleplex.net (8.8.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16100 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 16:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708132031.QAA16100@teleplex.net> From: "Ed Clough" To: Subject: Hank Williams and Tape Trading Etiquette Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 16:30:45 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I've been out of the Babel loop for a while now, so I'm not sure of the proper tape trading etiquette. At any rate, I must have a show where Patti performs "I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry" (it's my Dad's favorite song). I've seen several references to it, so I assume someone has these shows taped. Anyway, please email if have a show with the song, and want to trade. Thanks, Ed From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 13 18:12:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id SAA21997 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:12:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from zeus.carroll.com (zeus.carroll.com [199.224.10.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id SAA21992 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [199.224.10.146] [199.224.10.146] by zeus.carroll.com with SMTP (8.8.5/0) id VAA07810; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 21:12:40 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 21:12:40 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: prod@carroll.com (Elvis) Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: Sheet Music Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ >Anybody know how to play the piano part for Piss Factory? If so, send a note >to abird000@counsel.com > >Thanks... > >W dunno if sheet music is included, but Doubleday is working on a tabletop book of all Patti lyrics. Dunno when this will be out. Hopefully for Christmas but probably not. The Boston show was wonderful as was the exhibit. I liked Oliver's playful pictures of Patti. My highlight was the Jackson Pollack piece. Pretty fucking amazing. P. From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 13 20:07:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id UAA22214 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 20:07:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from acs-mail.bu.edu (root@ACS-MAIL.BU.EDU [128.197.153.100]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id UAA22209 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 20:06:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppp1.bu.edu (PPP-85-8.BU.EDU [128.197.8.156]) by acs-mail.bu.edu (8.8.5/BU_Server-1.3) with ESMTP id XAA53860 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 23:05:45 -0400 Message-ID: <33F275D1.8E3FDDAE@bu.edu> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 23:04:50 -0400 From: JP Jacob X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Boston show X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199708130048.RAA16744@mailtod-103.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Thanks to all who came to the Boston show for support of the Photographic Resource Center. It was a great evening for me, and Patti, Lenny, and Oliver were also very happy. Before they left, much later Monday night, Patti said that the band will be doing a limited tour this fall that will include Boston, followed by a full scale tour next year. Something to look forward to! I haven't compared this with Mitch's note, so sorry for redundancy, but here is the complete setlist: 1. Footnotes to Howl 2. Piss Factory 3. Wing 4. Georgia O'keefe 5. Dancing Barefoot 6. Grateful 7. Southern Cross 8. Ghost Dance 9. Psalm 23 Revisited 10. Cry for the Living (Oliver) 11. Jackson Pollock 12. Love of the Common People (Lenny) 13. So Lonesome I Could Cry 14. Last Call 15. Y 16. PHtP 17. Because the Night (encore) What was wonderful for me about the set, since this event was put together in conjunction with our exhibition at the PRC, was the thread that Patti wove throughout the show with pieces by and about the important artists in her life: Ginsberg (to whom the exhibition was dedicated), Burroughs, O'Keefe, Pollock, and Mapplethorpe. It's something that hasn't received too much attention, but the two new drawings in the exhibit are the first new drawings that Patti has shown since the 1970s (anyway, so she tells me). They're expansions of sketches and notes that she made at Ginsberg's deathbed (she was carrying the original sketches in her pocket while reading the Footnotes from Howl to us), and the performance seemed to me to come right out of the passion and the love that went into those drawings. That was the starting point. Other notes. It was Jackson carrying the guitars, and Jesse was helping to sell books out front. I'm pretty sure that the song Last Call, which they performed live for the first time, is about the Heaven's Gate mass suicide, and Jackson Pollock was entirely improvised. Pretty much all they had was an idea to do something relating to Pollock that let Lenny and Oliver jam for a while on their National guitars. As I'd expected (and hoped), the show was similar conceptually to the MoMA show last winter. But, while I've always been impressed by the electricity between Lenny and Patti, I was really surprised and impressed to see how much the musical relationship between Lenny and Oliver has grown since then. At Monday night's performance, there were moments between Lenny and Oliver that were truly wonderful. So now the electricity is moving between three people, which made the show even more exciting and unpredictable and charming for me. I had expected Patti and all to go back to their hotel after the show. Instead, at around 11pm we wound up at a nearby Japanese restaraunt, where Oliver sang Ebony & Ivory on the karyoke machine (he scored 7 out of 100). The other karyoke singers recognized the band (one of them had seen the Irving Plaza show), and were grateful for Lenny's and Oliver's applause and boos for songs well or poorly performed. Back at the PRC at about 1am, we had a stroll though the exhibition, after which we packed up the guitars, sent them off, and closed down the gallery. Very, very happily. There's one other thing. I had a real introduction, but Patti asked me not to read it. What I'd wanted to talk about is how impressed I have been by Patti, Lenny, and Oliver's ongoing support of organizations and individuals, taking positions in relation to small causes as readily as to issues of global importance. I mean, it's probably not too hard for a celebrity to support one or two important causes. But I think that it's exhausting and to some extent precarious for an artist these days to support many causes, especially the small, unproven ones (for example, it's easy to do a benefit for MoMA, but the Photographic Resource Center? An artists space with a staff of 3?). I remember that the Seegers, Mike and Pete, could always be counted to show up in support of local causes in the Hudson River valley area where my grandfather lived, and where I spent a lot of time during high school. I was always so impressed that they could function simultaneously on local and international levels that way. I don't feel that many artists today have that sense of commitment, and to see it in Patti, Lenny, and Oliver makes me proud to support them. Their commitment to the values that we share enables me to be *not* just a consumer of their products, but, to some extent, a part of the its creation. That kind of sharing is absent from most other entertainer/artist/audience/venue relationships that I experience. And I think that's what makes shows like Monday night's so wonderful and renewing for us as supporters of Patti's artwork. That's enough for now. John -- jpjacob@bu.edu Photographic Resource Center at Boston University http://web.bu.edu/PRC From babel-list-owner Thu Aug 14 13:59:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id NAA25731 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:59:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from connectnet1.connectnet.com (connectnet1.connectnet.com [207.110.0.50]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id NAA25726 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dan.pint.com (pc3.pint.com [206.251.142.7]) by connectnet1.connectnet.com (8.8.7/CONNECTnet-4.0/NORELAY) with SMTP id NAA11411 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708142059.NAA11411@connectnet1.connectnet.com> X-Sender: dan@sun.pint.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: Dan Whitworth Subject: WSB journals Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ The current New Yorker (Aug. 18 issue) features 2 pages of excerpts from William Burrough's journals -- various entries from this spring up to August 1, the day of his heart attack. (And no, it doesn't suddenly trail off at the end...) Plus Mapplethorpe's portrait of WSB in profile, eyes closed, hands grasped (from mid or late '80s). Now we wait for the inevitable Rolling Stone tribute, I suppose. Later, Dan W From babel-list-owner Thu Aug 14 14:15:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id OAA25797 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:15:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from trapt.twi.com (gate.twi.com [207.25.35.3]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id OAA25792 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:15:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from twmail.twi.com by trapt.twi.com via smtpd (for server.postmodern.com [198.102.244.54]) with SMTP; 14 Aug 1997 21:15:01 UT Received: from WILSONSPC.timeinc.com by ecsmtp.twi.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA05615; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 17:14:14 -0400 Message-Id: <199708142114.RAA05615@ecsmtp.twi.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Wilson Smith" To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:15:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: WSB journals Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199708142059.NAA11411@connectnet1.connectnet.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54 preview) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ On 14 Aug 97 at 13:59, Dan Whitworth wrote: > Now we wait for the inevitable Rolling Stone tribute, I suppose. Someone said that the current New York has a terrific tribute by Legs McNeil... W Wilson Smith neslon@panix.com Austin, Texas http://www.panix.com/~neslon I've been in jail when all the mail showed that a man can't give his address out to bad company. -- Bob Dylan From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 15 05:31:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA29902 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 05:31:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id FAA29897 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 05:31:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME ([207.147.24.35]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA29458 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:30:22 +0000 Message-ID: <33F467FB.5374@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 07:30:19 -0700 From: Marion Liles X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: tapes received References: <970810141952_165895692@emout06.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Hi Mike...I got the tapes today and will probably get them made on Monday and back out on Wed. I'll be in touch...it will take a few days as I'm going out of town Sat. and Sun. - Cat From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 15 08:12:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id IAA00650 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 08:12:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from trapt.twi.com (gate.twi.com [207.25.35.3]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id IAA00645 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 08:12:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from twmail.twi.com by trapt.twi.com via smtpd (for server.postmodern.com [198.102.244.54]) with SMTP; 15 Aug 1997 15:12:31 UT Received: from WILSONSPC.timeinc.com by ecsmtp.twi.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA25444; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 11:11:42 -0400 Message-Id: <199708151511.LAA25444@ecsmtp.twi.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Wilson Smith" To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 10:13:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: (Fwd) Patti Smith in Skibbereen Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54 preview) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Fri, 15 Aug 97 09:42:36 gmt To: johncale@sfo.com Subject: Patti Smith in Skibbereen No doubt the true Smith afficionados know this already, and it's got nothing to do at all really with the John Cale mailing list but I read this in the paper (Irish Times) this morning: "Patti Smith is coming to Ireland next month, but she won't be playing a regular rock gig. Instead, the American singer, songwriter and punk poet will be hosting Liss Ard '97, a four-day cultural event in Skibbereen, Co. Cork, starting on September 3rd. Ms Smith will be inviting a number of special guests to join her in acoustic sessions and poetry readings in the idyllic grounds of Liss Ard, with the aim of establising a world-wide appreciation of peotry, music and art in relation to nature. This inaugural event will be Ms Smith's only European appearance and during he four-day tree-kissing festival. she'll preview material from her new album, due out in October." From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 15 14:23:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id OAA01431 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:23:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id OAA01426 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:23:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [0.0.0.0.] (fi.smart.net [205.219.246.223]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA03580 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:24:15 -0400 Message-Id: <199708152124.RAA03580@gemini.smart.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Fiona Webster" Organization: http://www.oceanstar.com To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:10:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: new album! Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ More news from Chris Blake of BMG Music: -- he says the date for the new album's release is currently September 30th -- the title is "Peace and Noise" --wow, not long! Fiona From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 15 18:05:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id SAA01811 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:05:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from openix.com (pantera.openix.com [206.64.16.200]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id SAA01806 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:05:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.64.18.25] (async25.openix.com [206.64.18.25]) by openix.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA02577 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 21:24:49 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 21:10:02 -0100 To: babel@postmodern.com From: reeds@openix.com (Reeds family) Subject: tour ?s, and annecdotes Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Hi, 1. When does Patti's tour begin? Will it hit the West Coast (preferably SF area) 2. I got my dorm assignment today, and there was this little survey thingy and one of the questions was "Which one person would you like to hear a lecture by and then eat dinner with?" I first wrote "Jasper Johns" because the MOMA retrospective was so damned cool, but then i scribled it out and wrote Patti Smith. So, if it pulls through, I'll tell you all about it. 3. I work at this Jewish day camp for wussy kids in NJ as the pottery specialist, and to get me throught the day, I was playing Horses. I was happily singing along, and teaching kids how to make penguins and one little kid had the nerve to ask, "Is this Alanis Morrisette?" linger on, elizabeth From babel-list-owner Sun Aug 17 22:20:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id WAA10137 for babel-list-outgoing; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 22:20:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from brickbat9.mindspring.com (brickbat9.mindspring.com [207.69.200.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id WAA10132 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 22:20:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip206.an1-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.12.206]) by brickbat9.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA28133 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 01:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 01:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970818011835.3fb75e1c@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: eltyger@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" Subject: Re: *Naked Lunch* (The Movie) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 0047 EDT // Mon 18 Aug 97 // BklnNYC Perhaps of Local Interest (NYPost, Sun 17 Aug 97, p.28): On Tue 19 Aug 97 there is to be a Screening of the 1991 Film version of Wm. Burrough's *Naked Lunch* (Directed by David Cronenberg); At "Film Charas", 360 E. 10th St., between Avenues B & C, in the East Village. 8PM. Admission is $5.00. Information: (212) 252-4616. I have no connection with... ChaChaCha, --// eLTyger --// /*RESPECT FOR THE ELECTRON(S)*/ --// /*SACRED LIGHTNING/ DANCE THE WORLD*/ From babel-list-owner Sun Aug 17 22:56:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id WAA10256 for babel-list-outgoing; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 22:56:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from brickbat9.mindspring.com (brickbat9.mindspring.com [207.69.200.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id WAA10251 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 22:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip206.an1-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.12.206]) by brickbat9.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA05032; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 01:56:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 01:56:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970818015515.321f94dc@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: eltyger@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" Subject: Re: "psi.net" Cc: fi@oceanstar.com Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 0153 EDT // Mon 18 Aug 97 // BklnNYC Who is "psi.net" and What is this Drivel all about? --// eLTyger --// /*RESPECT FOR THE ELECTRON(S)*/ --// /*SACRED LIGHTNING/ DANCE THE WORLD*/ From babel-list-owner Mon Aug 18 10:45:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA13731 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:45:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id KAA13726 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:45:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA29308 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA23107 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:41:37 -0700 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:41:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: ginsberg memorial poster In-Reply-To: <199708152124.RAA03580@gemini.smart.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ The new artrock cat. has the Hill Auditorium Ginsberg memorial poster by Mark Arminski for sale ...I beleive it to be 30.00. i think the url for artrock is http://www.artrock.com it may not be on the website, but you can always call for a cat. robert From babel-list-owner Mon Aug 18 11:58:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA13947 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:58:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com (brickbat8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.11]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id LAA13942 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:58:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip162.an3-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.14.162]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA22541 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970818145705.3f7fc13e@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: eltyger@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" Subject: Re: Eternal Verities. Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 1454 EDT // Mon 18 Aug 97 // BklnNYC "You Can Always Call For a Cat." So True... --// eLTyger --// /*RESPECT FOR THE ELECTRON(S)*/ --// /*SACRED LIGHTNING/ DANCE THE WORLD*/ From babel-list-owner Mon Aug 18 12:31:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA14036 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 12:31:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from brickbat9.mindspring.com (brickbat9.mindspring.com [207.69.200.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id MAA14031 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 12:30:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip137.an3-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.14.137]) by brickbat9.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA11870 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:30:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:30:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970818152914.09e7bdb2@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: eltyger@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" Subject: Re: REJECTED... Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 1524 EDT // Mon 18 Aug 97 // BklnNYC Never Mind "psi.net", It's "thigh.net" I'm Hot for. Sigh... --// eLTyger --// /*RESPECT FOR THE ELECTRON(S)*/ --// /*SACRED LIGHTNING/ DANCE THE WORLD*/ From babel-list-owner Mon Aug 18 12:53:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA14100 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 12:53:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from brickbat9.mindspring.com (brickbat9.mindspring.com [207.69.200.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id MAA14095 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 12:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip137.an3-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.14.137]) by brickbat9.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA25318 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:53:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:53:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970818155132.3f2770bc@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: eltyger@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" Subject: Re: REJECTED... Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 1542 EDT // Mon 18 Aug 97 // BklnNYC Er,... Of Course I Meant: "Thigh..." ****************************************************************** >Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:30:50 -0400 (EDT) >To: babel-list@postmodern.com >From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" >Subject: Re: REJECTED... ... >1524 EDT // Mon 18 Aug 97 // BklnNYC > > >Never Mind "psi.net", > > > It's "thigh.net" I'm Hot for. > > >Sigh... > > >--// >eLTyger ... ************************************************************* Thigh^2,... --// eLTyger --// /*RESPECT FOR THE ELECTRON(S)*/ --// /*SACRED LIGHTNING/ DANCE THE WORLD*/ From babel-list-owner Mon Aug 18 13:37:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id NAA14245 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:37:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from brickbat9.mindspring.com (brickbat9.mindspring.com [207.69.200.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id NAA14240 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:37:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip137.an3-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.14.137]) by brickbat9.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA23271 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 16:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 16:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970818163541.3f27a026@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: eltyger@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" Subject: Re: Where W(F)uzz I...? Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 1608 EDT // Mon 18 Aug 97 // BklnNYC Au Natural *Is* Quite Attractive; But let's Hear It for Us Perverts! Who Enjoy Some Things to be Shaven... Sometimes. --// eLTyger --// /*RESPECT FOR THE ELECTRON(S)*/ --// /*SACRED LIGHTNING/ DANCE THE WORLD*/ From babel-list-owner Mon Aug 18 14:12:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id OAA14402 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:12:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from brickbat9.mindspring.com (brickbat9.mindspring.com [207.69.200.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id OAA14397 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:11:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip137.an3-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.14.137]) by brickbat9.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA19415 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 17:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 17:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970818171017.3f277170@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: eltyger@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" Subject: Re:[2] Where W(F)uzz I...? Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 1658 EDT // Mon 18 Aug 97 // BklnNYC Any Day Now I'm Gonna Shave My Head! Me 'n' Sinead 'n' Michael 'n'...; Not to Mention Others Whose Names I Could Mention. ************************************************************** >Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 16:37:15 -0400 (EDT) >To: babel-list@postmodern.com >From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" >Subject: Re: Where W(F)uzz I...? ... >1608 EDT // Mon 18 Aug 97 // BklnNYC > > >Au Natural *Is* Quite Attractive; > > > But let's Hear It for Us Perverts! > > >Who Enjoy Some Things to be Shaven... > > >Sometimes. > > >--// >eLTyger >... ************************************************************** (If I could Remember...) Glistening-ly, --// eLTyger --// /*RESPECT FOR THE ELECTRON(S)*/ --// /*SACRED LIGHTNING/ DANCE THE WORLD*/ From babel-list-owner Mon Aug 18 18:52:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id SAA15064 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:52:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from connectnet1.connectnet.com (connectnet1.connectnet.com [207.110.0.50]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id SAA15059 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dan.pint.com (pc3.pint.com [206.251.142.7]) by connectnet1.connectnet.com (8.8.7/CONNECTnet-4.0/NORELAY) with SMTP id SAA01610 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708190152.SAA01610@connectnet1.connectnet.com> X-Sender: dan@sun.pint.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: Dan Whitworth Subject: bad news for the taylor camp Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Stop me if you've heard this before, but I just found out that Lili Taylor is going to play Janis Joplin in a flick from TriStar, to be directed by Nancy Savoca, who directed Taylor in Dogfight and Household Saints. This is up against another Joplin bio from Lakeshore Entertainment, slated to feature Melissa Etheridge. The TriStar project is authorized by the Joplin family. The other one ain't. Statistically speaking, career-wise it's unlikely that Taylor will do another bio of another singer... all that Plummer/Taylor turmoil way back when on this list was for naught. Lili's going to lip synch, too. Ah well. Dan Whitworth dan@pint.com PS. Anybody got a copy of Pere Ubu's Cloudland CD? Just found a used copy sans booklet, and would really like to get my hands on a photocopy of same. From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 19 04:36:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id EAA17759 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 04:36:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from cphub.mail.saic.com (cphub.mail.saic.com [139.121.95.10]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id EAA17754 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 04:36:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cpqm.mail.saic.com by cpmx.mail.saic.com; Tue, 19 Aug 97 04:35:58 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 19 Aug 1997 07:34:43 -0800 From: "Steve Kenney" Subject: Re: Where W(F)uzz I...? To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ am i not recieving all the babel-list posts or something? am i the only one who has absolutely NO idea what these last few posts from JBolt are referring to? vexed, skenney From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 19 04:46:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id EAA17801 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 04:46:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com (emout06.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.97]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id EAA17796 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 04:46:32 -0700 (PDT) From: GoRimbaud@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id HAA24154 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 07:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 07:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970819074558_-1101838346@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Where W(F)uzz I...? Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ In a message dated 97-08-19 07:37:48 EDT, skenney writ: << am i not recieving all the babel-list posts or something? am i the only one who has absolutely NO idea what these last few posts from JBolt are referring to? >> YOU ARE NOT ALONE MAYBE jbolt CAN FILL IN THE CANVAS? HUM? phillip From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 19 05:21:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA17889 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 05:21:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from bard.edu (sloan@bard.edu [192.246.229.11]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id FAA17884 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 05:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (sloan@localhost) by bard.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id IAA35035 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:12:35 -0400 X-Ident: IDENT protocol sender: sloan@localhost Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:12:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Tamela Sloan To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Where W(F)uzz I...? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ No not the only one, im in the dark, but I like it there sometimes... ??? Tamela Oh I was in Boston too, and there were some nice sighned posters for sale, and books, I thought that was cool. T On 19 Aug 1997, Steve Kenney wrote: > am i not recieving all the babel-list posts or something? am i the only one > who has absolutely NO idea what these last few posts from JBolt are referring > to? > > vexed, > skenney > > From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 19 05:26:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA17928 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 05:26:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com (emout07.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.22]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id FAA17923 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 05:26:14 -0700 (PDT) From: GoRimbaud@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id IAA13776 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:25:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:25:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970819082537_-1302894581@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Where W(F)uzz I...? Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ In a message dated 97-08-19 08:21:51 EDT, tamela writ: << I was in Boston too, and there were some nice sighned posters for sale, and books, I thought that was cool. >> what was the poster? what were the books? pw From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 19 06:23:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id GAA18060 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 06:23:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net (sweden-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.50]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id GAA18055 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 06:23:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [207.217.19.10] (pool010-nitro2.la-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.19.10]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA22271 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 06:23:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 06:23:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel@postmodern.com From: mbella@earthlink.net (Craig Stoker) Subject: Shaved heads Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Gawd! This is so Queer! You preverted Americans! ......Woof! Whaddabout Bono and his boys dressin' up like friggin' Queers now? Like the new dooo??! Bolt writ: >Any Day Now I'm Gonna Shave My Head! > Me 'n' Sinead 'n' Michael 'n'...; > Not to Mention Others Whose Names I Could Mention. 8====) +++ +++ +++ (4 JDaly) <<>> -Yana Man *disclaimer: I got a lot of nasty mail last time I slammed Queers on this list! I refuse to be treated like a second-class whore here. Pleeeeeze keep your silly-ass comments to yerself. I'm very sensitive. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Love? What is it? Most natural pain-killer. What there is. LOVE. -Wm.S.Burroughs From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 19 06:23:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id GAA18080 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 06:23:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net (sweden-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.50]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id GAA18071 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 06:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [207.217.19.10] (pool010-nitro2.la-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.19.10]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA22302 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 06:23:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 06:23:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel@postmodern.com From: mbella@earthlink.net (Craig Stoker) Subject: P.Ubu Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ re: >Dan Whitworth dan@pint.com >PS. Anybody got a copy of Pere Ubu's Cloudland CD? Just found a used copy sans booklet, and would really like to get my hands on a photocopy of same. Hi thar Dan! Do an archival search through Babel to find GaryM's email addy or try: GaryM@earthlink.net. I lost all my nicknames and am rebuilding my directory. Gary, if you read this ...please get in touch? Gary can help with anything Ubu. He is the Ubu-ally here. Piece! --Yana ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Love? What is it? Most natural pain-killer. What there is. LOVE. -Wm.S.Burroughs From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 19 06:58:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id GAA18147 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 06:58:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout14.mail.aol.com (emout14.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.40]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id GAA18142 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 06:58:25 -0700 (PDT) From: TMPJAccas@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA02224 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:57:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:57:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970819095745_-2073264748@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Where W(F)uzz I...? Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ hey...I've got the same problem...some of my posts aren't even showing up ~~mike From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 19 08:45:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id IAA18447 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:45:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from trapt.twi.com (gate.twi.com [207.25.35.3]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id IAA18442 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:45:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from twmail.twi.com by trapt.twi.com via smtpd (for server.postmodern.com [198.102.244.54]) with SMTP; 19 Aug 1997 15:45:52 UT Received: from WILSONSPC.timeinc.com by ecsmtp.twi.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA06719; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:45:01 -0400 Message-Id: <199708191545.LAA06719@ecsmtp.twi.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Wilson Smith" To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:46:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Where W(F)uzz I...? Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54 preview) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ On 19 Aug 97 at 7:34, Steve Kenney wrote: > am i not recieving all the babel-list posts or something? am i the only one > who has absolutely NO idea what these last few posts from JBolt are referring > to? Most likely you got everything except for the misdirected anti-spam measures adopted by one of babel-list's most esteemed members, some of which seem to have accidentally gotten sprayed directly on jbolt, which is apparently part of what set him to yelping like that about a subject (shaving) near and dear to many of our hearts. [Woke up the whole flippin neighborhood, it seems] Haven't actually seen those measures myself; mighta been yelping myself if it had happened to me. As for the other part, toss-up between blood sugar, a minor psychotropic drug dosage re-adjustment, early childhood experiences, a work-in-progress performance piece of his called "The Limits of Acceptable Behavior", and a *MONSTER* urge to be run through the babel-list spanky mill before I take off as list-mom (11 days left and counting), nothing too out-of-the-ordinary for this crew. (And I hear it's been hot in NYC...) He's sleeping quietly now, tho, let's tiptoe... Thx for playing... :-) ("peace and noise," eh?) W Wilson Smith neslon@panix.com Austin, Texas http://www.panix.com/~neslon Now here's a little song I found while looking through some songs the other day. -- Mitch Ryder From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 19 08:50:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id IAA18485 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:50:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id IAA18480 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA29256 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA25470 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:48:28 -0700 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:48:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Shaved heads In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ is anyone else kinda repulsed by the Lilith Fair? robert everythings better now knowing that Stevie Nicks is back with straight hair again From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 19 11:19:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA18815 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:19:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from moose.uvm.edu (moose.uvm.edu [132.198.101.60]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id LAA18810 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:19:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elk.uvm.edu (elk.uvm.edu [132.198.101.63]) by moose.uvm.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12734 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:18:47 -0400 Received: from thyme.uvm.edu (thyme.uvm.edu [132.198.151.224]) by elk.uvm.edu (8.8.6/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA30380 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:18:47 -0400 Received: from THYME/SpoolDir by thyme.uvm.edu (Mercury 1.21); 19 Aug 97 14:16:11 GMT-5 Received: from SpoolDir by THYME (Mercury 1.30); 19 Aug 97 14:15:48 GMT-5 From: "Ron Jacobs" Organization: University of Vermont To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:15:40 EDT Subject: Re: Shaved heads Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <97B2A05E73@thyme.uvm.edu> Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Why are you repulsed? I think it's a positive spin on a music business dominated by a patriarchal mentality and sexist outlook. Plus some of the music is pretty damn good. -Ron Jacobs > Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:48:25 -0700 (PDT) > From: Robert Byler > To: babel-list@postmodern.com > Subject: Re: Shaved heads > Reply-to: babel-list@postmodern.com > is anyone else kinda repulsed > by the Lilith Fair? > > robert > > everythings better now knowing that Stevie Nicks is back with > straight hair again > From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 19 11:28:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA18871 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:28:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from minnie.risd.edu (minnie.risd.edu [207.87.132.102]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id LAA18866; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:28:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccsmtp.risd.edu by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA09072; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:39:07 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA872027071 Tue, 19 Aug 97 14:44:31 EST Date: Tue, 19 Aug 97 14:44:31 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9707198720.AA872027071@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: babel-list@postmodern.com, babel@postmodern.com Subject: Re[2]: babel-digest V2 #281 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Just like that old sob Burroughs to slip out of his skin when I was out of the country. I was sitting at a restaurant in Venice and literally dropped the glass out of my hand when I read the news in the paper. He was always my favorite, and to tell the truth, I really sort of thought he was going to live forever. Italy was wonderful but I missed you all, and by the way, Mitch is an angel, I just want you all to be aware of that. Came home sicj\k as a dog but made it to work today. Looking forward to the PS show, let's go! I'm going to start working this weekend after I come home from my Buddhist empowerment ceremony - seems like an auspicious time, and trucking through Italy was inspiring. Let's rock. Oh Yana, and anyone else who cares, halfway through the Genet Bio by White and it's marvelous. Fiona, have you read Dr. D (?)'s Disease? Damn, I'm blanking on the name, by Stephen McGrath who wrote Spider. Wonderful to have it waiting for me when I came home and crashed out with some stomach ailment. God, you guys are great! Love, Mary From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 19 12:01:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA18951 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:01:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id MAA18944 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:01:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA06905 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:01:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA23897 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:56:15 -0700 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:56:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Shaved heads In-Reply-To: <97B2A05E73@thyme.uvm.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ > Why are you repulsed? I think it's a positive spin on a music I kinda felt this way, then read the article in Rolling Stone and did'nt feel so alone. Perhaps i feel this way cause(and i did say KIND OF)- i agree with all the patriarchial stuff about the music industry..... however I feel that its kinda to safe.lilith fair that is....and from what i can tell had two women of color,. Why not put Casandra Wilson on a main stage! Plus in my opinion, women/or men for that matter singing songs about Where Have All The Cowboys Gone is hardly forwarding any cause of represion of women in the music industry. It just seems to me that whats being represented a s the new womens voice in music is all whining(Jewel)songs about men and how they cant get along with out them. Where is Courtney Love/PJ Harvey/Patti Smith/Joan Jett....i dont hear them on this so-called new progressive radio stations. I quess what it comes down to is I like anger or intellect in songs. "I was ment for you" dosent fit the bill for me. I welcome the day of more diverse womens voices on my radio...then I can stop playing my Patti Smith tapes(for a bit)... robert From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 19 12:47:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA19109 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:47:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from cphub.mail.saic.com (cphub.mail.saic.com [139.121.95.10]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id MAA19104 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:47:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cpqm.mail.saic.com by cpmx.mail.saic.com; Tue, 19 Aug 97 12:46:51 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 19 Aug 1997 15:07:42 -0800 From: "Steve Kenney" Subject: Re: Re[2]: babel-digest V2 # To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ welcome home mary! skenney From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 19 12:51:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA19147 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:51:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from moose.uvm.edu (moose.uvm.edu [132.198.101.60]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id MAA19142 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:51:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elk.uvm.edu (elk.uvm.edu [132.198.101.63]) by moose.uvm.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA39080 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:50:49 -0400 Received: from thyme.uvm.edu (thyme.uvm.edu [132.198.151.224]) by elk.uvm.edu (8.8.6/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA73734 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:50:49 -0400 Received: from THYME/SpoolDir by thyme.uvm.edu (Mercury 1.21); 19 Aug 97 15:48:12 GMT-5 Received: from SpoolDir by THYME (Mercury 1.30); 19 Aug 97 15:47:46 GMT-5 From: "Ron Jacobs" Organization: University of Vermont To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:47:44 EDT Subject: Re: Shaved heads Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <993B0A2CD9@thyme.uvm.edu> Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Good points, I guess I kind of took it at face value--do agree with you about the Jewel "sound" Although blues singers did similar stuff and didn't seem so shallow--perhaps that's wht makes it the blues. I guess part of me believes that the mere idea of women running their own gig is empowering to girls and women in the hinterlands (whether those hinterlands are geographical or cultural or in their own minds). I guess it's a beginning--the trick is when will we get past the beginning (it seems like it's always a beginning)--Ron > Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:56:15 -0700 (PDT) > From: Robert Byler > To: babel-list@postmodern.com > Subject: Re: Shaved heads > Reply-to: babel-list@postmodern.com > > Why are you repulsed? I think it's a positive spin on a music > > > > I kinda felt this way, then read the article in Rolling Stone and > did'nt > feel so alone. Perhaps i feel this way cause(and i did say KIND OF)- > i agree with all the patriarchial stuff about the music > industry..... however I feel that its kinda to safe.lilith fair that > is....and from what i can tell had two women of color,. Why not put > Casandra Wilson on a main stage! Plus in my opinion, women/or men > for that matter singing songs about Where Have All The Cowboys Gone > is hardly forwarding any cause of represion of women in the music > industry. It just seems to me that whats being represented a s the > new womens voice in music is all whining(Jewel)songs about men and > how they cant get along with out them. Where is Courtney Love/PJ > Harvey/Patti Smith/Joan Jett....i dont hear them on this so-called > new progressive radio stations. I quess what it comes down to is I > like anger or intellect in songs. "I was ment for you" dosent fit > the bill for me. I welcome the day of more diverse womens voices on > my radio...then I can stop playing my Patti Smith tapes(for a > bit)... robert > From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 19 13:49:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id NAA19276 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:49:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from donkeykong.rs.itd.umich.edu (root@donkeykong.rs.itd.umich.edu [141.211.63.19]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id NAA19271 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:49:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from seawolf.rs.itd.umich.edu by donkeykong.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.6/3.0-mailhub) with ESMTP id QAA28264; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (birena@localhost) by seawolf.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.6/4.0-client) with SMTP id QAA10188 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:49:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:49:04 -0400 (EDT) From: barbara nagler X-Sender: birena@seawolf.rs.itd.umich.edu To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Shaved heads In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Robert Byler wrote: > > Why are you repulsed? I think it's a positive spin on a music > > > > I kinda felt this way, then read the article in Rolling Stone and did'nt > feel so alone. Perhaps i feel this way cause(and i did say KIND OF)- i > agree with all the patriarchial stuff about the music industry..... > however I feel that its kinda to safe.lilith fair that is....and from what > i can tell had two women of color,. Why not put Casandra Wilson on a main > stage! Plus in my opinion, women/or men for that matter singing songs > about Where Have All The Cowboys Gone is hardly forwarding any cause of > represion of women in the music industry. It just seems to me that whats > being represented a s the new womens voice in music is all > whining(Jewel)songs about men and how they cant get along with out them. > Where is Courtney Love/PJ Harvey/Patti Smith/Joan Jett....i dont hear them > on this so-called new progressive radio stations. I quess what it comes > down to is I like anger or intellect in songs. "I was ment for you" > dosent fit the bill for me. I welcome the day of more diverse womens > voices on my radio...then I can stop playing my Patti Smith tapes(for a > bit)... > robert > > It does always seem too damn slow. Change is slow. Patti, Courtney, PJ et al don't seem to make a very big deal about the fact that they're women in rock-- they just go ahead and live as if things were the way they should be. Which is powerful and makes a real dent. I was thinking the other day-- forgot why-- about how I used to scan through ATN's Music News of the Week, and a year or two ago they always had something snide and snickering to say about Courtney Love. I was getting tired of it-- not that they would put down her music, which should have been the focus of the articles anyway-- they had to admit her music's good. But otherwise, there was always this undertone of "she's not a very nice girl, is she?" and not necessarily in a good-humored way. I started wondering-- if she had been more androgynous-looking and -dressing, would they have left her alone, or even praised the very things they were putting down? She and a very few others seem like a new frontier in rock (though not in New Orleans blues and street life)-- Most women in rock have or cultivate an androgynous appearance and vibes, or do the whiny-baby-doll thing. I don't mean to criticize either and in fact I love the androgynous. But I do think it's still hard for someone to get out there with a very "female" appearance and radiance and at the same time really rock and be powerful and bitchy without getting some flak. Irena From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 19 15:13:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id PAA19574 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:13:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from crash.ihug.co.nz (crash.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.11]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id PAA19569 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:13:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mcduda.ihug.co.nz by crash.ihug.co.nz (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA03504; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:11:44 +1200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970820101315.00c91dd8@pop.ihug.co.nz> X-Sender: mcduda@pop.ihug.co.nz X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:13:15 +1200 To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: Marty Subject: Re: Shaved heads In-Reply-To: References: <97B2A05E73@thyme.uvm.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ At 11:56 19/08/97 -0700, you wrote: >> Why are you repulsed? I think it's a positive spin on a music > > > > It just seems to me that whats >being represented a s the new womens voice in music is all >whining(Jewel)songs about men and how they cant get along with out them. >Where is Courtney Love/PJ Harvey/Patti Smith/Joan Jett....i dont hear them >on this so-called new progressive radio stations. I quess what it comes >down to is I like anger or intellect in songs. "I was ment for you" >dosent fit the bill for me. I welcome the day of more diverse womens >voices on my radio...then I can stop playing my Patti Smith tapes(for a >bit)... >robert As far as most of today's female's artists "whining", have you heard the latest crop of new bands on the charts? There's more whining in the songs of Matchbox 20, Cool For August, Verve Pipe as well as older ones like Live, Counting Crows, etc than one person can stand. It's just when male artists "whine", they call it "angst" and it becomes more repectable. This happens anytime females start to make a place for themselves among a male dominated area. They get put down and belittled for doing the exact same things their male counterparts have been doing for years. Female artists do have a lot to overcome in the music biz. For instance, when I worked as a DJ in the late 70s/early '80s on a medium market commercial "progressive" radio station, we were not allowed to play two female artist back to back. A female artist was considered to be a novelty, to be dropped in every now and then to break things up. At the time this included Pat Benatar, Blondie, Fleetwood Mac, Patti Smith, Heart, Joni Mitchell, they were all regarded as the same type of music. I'm sure things have changed a bit today, but there is still a long way to go. No one would blink an eye if Lollapalooza had all male artists, but an all-female lineup would be (and has become with Lillith) a cause for discussion. Cheers, Marty From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 19 15:33:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id PAA19663 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:33:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com (emout07.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.22]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id PAA19658 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:33:52 -0700 (PDT) From: DblLatte0@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id SAA10022 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970819183144_1393094305@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Shaved heads Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I attended Lilith Fair in NJ. Although the music presented is not my style I enjoyed the concert. The most rocking performance of all the performers was by Tracey Chapman. I also wished Patti Smith was a part of the Lilith Fair. Nicki From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 19 15:51:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id PAA19710 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:51:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id PAA19705 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:51:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA26387 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA01143 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:47:48 -0700 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:47:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Shaved heads In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970820101315.00c91dd8@pop.ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ well i personally have used the word "whine" when it comes to males... especially the example of the counting crows....(especially that whining song about his ex-girlfriend -the one who is on Friends-barf!) And i disagree- i think people would question and all male music fest-more so if it was billed as one. I have no prob with the concept of the Lilith Fair... what I was questioning was the exclusion of female singers that are alternative (i hate that word)... by excluding different voices, it may gives the impression that women are sitting around knitting shawls and lamenting for lost loves or someother Fabio fantasy. I keep thinking about the book Backlash and how S.Faludi pointed out how the media plays a large part in the Backlash of women....example being the portrayal of woman wanting to coccon in the 1980...many other examples are pointed out in the book. I wonder if this abundance of folksy female voices(some of which I like)is really going to allow bands like Sleater Kinney or L7 or Team Dreash or Patti Smith..to get played and achive some noteriety. oh yeah -that Duncan Sheik guy is a big whiner too. robert From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 19 16:20:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id QAA19799 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:20:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id QAA19793 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [0.0.0.0.] (fi.smart.net [205.219.246.223]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA15134 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 19:20:11 -0400 Message-Id: <199708192320.TAA15134@gemini.smart.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Fiona Webster" Organization: http://www.oceanstar.com To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 19:06:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: beautiful disease Priority: normal In-reply-to: <9707198720.AA872027071@ccsmtp.risd.edu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Mary mutters fetchingly: > Just like that old sob Burroughs to slip out of his skin when I > was out of the country. I was sitting at a restaurant in Venice > and literally dropped the glass out of my hand when I read the > news in the paper. He was always my favorite, and to tell the > truth, I really sort of thought he was going to live forever. Me too: he seemed to have settled into a stable physical condition that could last for at least a few centuries. > Oh Yana, and anyone else who cares, > halfway through the Genet Bio by White and it's marvelous. > Fiona, have you read Dr. D (?)'s Disease? Damn, I'm blanking on > the name, by Stephen McGrath who wrote Spider. Wonderful to have > it waiting for me when I came home and crashed out with some > stomach ailment. Great minds think alike: I'm reading the Genet bio, too. I picked it up casually a couple of days ago, and now I can't put it down. How marvelous to get all the details behind the characters in _Our Lady of Flowers_! Don't forget that there's Patti's own review of this one up at the bab site under "poetry and prose." And yes, I'm a big Patrick (not Stephen) McGrath fan, and have read _Dr. Haggard's Disease_. It's very good, but my least favorite of his novels so far. _Spider_ and _Asylum_ are my faves. --Fiona "To escape from horror bury yourself in it." --Jean Genet From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 19 16:23:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id QAA19844 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:23:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id QAA19839 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [0.0.0.0.] (fi.smart.net [205.219.246.223]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA15178 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 19:22:48 -0400 Message-Id: <199708192322.TAA15178@gemini.smart.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Fiona Webster" Organization: http://www.oceanstar.com To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 19:08:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Shaved heads Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.19970820101315.00c91dd8@pop.ihug.co.nz> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I have one comment: Sleater Kinney. --Fiona From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 19 18:32:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id SAA20143 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:32:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from icarus.ihug.co.nz (icarus.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.31]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id SAA20138 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:32:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crash.ihug.co.nz (crash.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.11]) by icarus.ihug.co.nz (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA05515 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:34:01 +1200 (NZST) Received: from mcduda.ihug.co.nz by crash.ihug.co.nz (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA18905; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:31:01 +1200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970820133230.0077d090@pop.ihug.co.nz> X-Sender: mcduda@pop.ihug.co.nz X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:32:30 +1200 To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: Marty Subject: Re: Shaved heads In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19970820101315.00c91dd8@pop.ihug.co.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ At 15:47 19/08/97 -0700, you wrote: >well i personally have used the word "whine" when it comes to males... >especially the example of the counting crows....(especially that whining >song about his ex-girlfriend -the one who is on Friends-barf!) And i >disagree- i think people would question and all male music fest-more so if >it was billed as one. I have no prob with the concept of the Lilith >Fair... what I was questioning was the exclusion of female singers that >are alternative (i hate that word)... ... I wonder if this abundance of folksy female voices(some of which I >like)is really going to allow bands like Sleater Kinney or L7 or Team >Dreash or Patti Smith..to get played and achive some noteriety. oh yeah >-that Duncan Sheik guy is a big whiner too. > >robert > Granted, there's enough whining to go around for everyone these days (that's why I've been listening to a lot of British music these days, check out the latest Charlatans, Supergrass and Sneaker Pimps). And I agree, if they are going advertise Lillith as a "women's music showcase" then they ought to show a little diversity. Personally, I'd love to hear Mary Chapiin Carpenter followed by Veruca Salt followed by Tori Amos followed by Patti and maybe if they continue next year, something like that will happen. There are a lot of festivals going around these days and most cater to one form of music over another. I would bet Sarah McLachlan and whoever helped put the show together were playing it safe so that Lillith would be considered commercially viable and therefore able to continue. Cheers, Marty From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 19 23:53:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id XAA21020 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 23:53:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from red.paston.co.uk (red.paston.co.uk [194.129.188.3]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id XAA21009 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 23:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Bad.EHLO.Input ([194.129.188.184]) by red.paston.co.uk with ESMTP id <843233-19337>; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 07:49:04 +0100 Message-ID: <33FA1CB5.A9F944FC@paston.co.uk> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 07:52:45 +0930 From: Ishmael Organization: http://www.paston.co.uk/users/ishmael X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: ani difranco? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199704242221.AAA16249@allserv.rug.ac.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ gitte wrote, concerning Living in Clip > that double live album is obviously not released yet here... europe is > late > sometimes... It must be out in England. I picked it up on a recent London trip having read about Ani DiFranco on a couple of posts. I was looking for a present for my partner and its a nice little package with a slip case and a CD sized book of photos. I love the sparseness and energy of the presentation though her singing style makes me think more of Joni Mitchell (One L? Two? Can't be bothered to run down and check.) ishmael From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 20 04:37:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id EAA23401 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 04:37:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mserv.rug.ac.be (mserv.rug.ac.be [157.193.40.37]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id EAA23396 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 04:35:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from allserv.rug.ac.be by mserv.rug.ac.be with SMTP id AA17982 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:33:51 +0200 Received: from localhost by allserv.rug.ac.be (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA17449; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:33:50 +0200 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:33:49 +0200 (MET DST) From: gitte To: Ishmael Cc: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: ani difranco? In-Reply-To: <33FA1CB5.A9F944FC@paston.co.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Ishmael wrote: > gitte wrote, concerning Living in Clip > > > that double live album is obviously not released yet here... europe is > > late > > sometimes... > > It must be out in England. I picked it up on a recent London trip > having read about Ani DiFranco on a couple of posts. I was looking for > a present for my partner and its a nice little package with a slip case > and a CD sized book of photos. I love the sparseness and energy of the > presentation though her singing style makes me think more of Joni > Mitchell (One L? Two? Can't be bothered to run down and check.) i posted that message ages ago i suppose... i've got living in clip for more than two months already, and in the meantime i've seen ani twice too, at the roskilde festival in denmark and her in belgium at the cactus festival in brugge. she's really really great, you know, playful, a bit agressive, and so charming :-) to give this message a bit of patti content: ani played prince's 'when doves cry' at roskilde -a wonderful version, only her voice and a djembe- and i guess we all know who covered that song too :-) giette From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 20 04:47:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id EAA23448 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 04:47:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com (emout07.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.22]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id EAA23443 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 04:47:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Ethiopium@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id HAA27615 for babel@postmodern.com; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 07:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 07:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970820074644_1984694632@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: babel@postmodern.com Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #288 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ In a message dated 8/20/97 12:28:09 AM, you wrote: << Patti, Courtney, PJ et al don't seem to make a very big deal about the fact that they're women in rock-- they just go ahead and live as if things were the way they should be. Which is powerful and makes a real dent.>> This is always such a problem for me - I live that way too, but on the other hand, I feel that if I don't support things like Lillith that I'm shooting myself in the foot - I certainly wouldn't go to see the show, but I also hope that it will make some changes in the pervasive almost-all-male rock festival stuff, because we all know that Patti, Courtney and PJ are not exactly the stuff of pop music - let's hope that the girls who love pop music will take a cue and start caring more about themselves as women. Thanks Skenny, looking forward to seeing you again. Love, Mary From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 20 04:50:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id EAA23486 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 04:50:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com (emout08.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.23]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id EAA23481 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 04:50:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Ethiopium@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id HAA06346 for babel@postmodern.com; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 07:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 07:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970820075006_-1705021974@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: babel@postmodern.com Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #288 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ In a message dated 8/20/97 12:28:09 AM, you wrote: <> Thanks for the correction - I did have a virus - ahem. ; ) Yeah Spider was better. I've got to get Asylum. From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 20 05:18:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA23553 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 05:18:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from moose.uvm.edu (moose.uvm.edu [132.198.101.60]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id FAA23548 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 05:18:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elk.uvm.edu (elk.uvm.edu [132.198.101.63]) by moose.uvm.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA34764 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 08:18:21 -0400 Received: from thyme.uvm.edu (thyme.uvm.edu [132.198.151.224]) by elk.uvm.edu (8.8.6/8.8.4) with ESMTP id IAA41626 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 08:18:20 -0400 Received: from THYME/SpoolDir by thyme.uvm.edu (Mercury 1.21); 20 Aug 97 08:15:43 GMT-5 Received: from SpoolDir by THYME (Mercury 1.30); 20 Aug 97 08:15:33 GMT-5 From: "Ron Jacobs" Organization: University of Vermont To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 08:15:28 EDT Subject: Re: Shaved heads Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 'Nuff said. I used to live on the road these women named themselves after--ah yes olympia, washington...Ron J. > From: "Fiona Webster" > Organization: http://www.oceanstar.com > To: babel-list@postmodern.com > Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 19:08:58 +0000 > Subject: Re: Shaved heads > Priority: normal > Reply-to: babel-list@postmodern.com > I have one comment: Sleater Kinney. > > --Fiona From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 20 06:09:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id GAA23638 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 06:09:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from bard.edu (sloan@bard.edu [192.246.229.11]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id GAA23633 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 06:09:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (sloan@localhost) by bard.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA20218 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:01:21 -0400 X-Ident: IDENT protocol sender: sloan@localhost Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:01:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Tamela Sloan To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Where W(F)uzz I...? In-Reply-To: <970819082537_-1302894581@emout07.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Sorry I didnt buy any, I came from NY and didnt have the cash to spend, but, someone told me the posters were sighned. On Tue, 19 Aug 1997 GoRimbaud@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 97-08-19 08:21:51 EDT, tamela writ: > > << I was in Boston too, and there were some nice sighned posters for sale, > and books, I thought that was cool. >> > > what was the poster? what were the books? > > pw > From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 20 06:11:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id GAA23677 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 06:11:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from bard.edu (sloan@bard.edu [192.246.229.11]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id GAA23672 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 06:11:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (sloan@localhost) by bard.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA16279 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:03:15 -0400 X-Ident: IDENT protocol sender: sloan@localhost Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:03:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Tamela Sloan To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Shaved heads In-Reply-To: <97B2A05E73@thyme.uvm.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I was alittle repulsed by the Lilth fair mostly because I thought Tracy Chapman was the best performer, and they didnt treat her so well, performance wise. No spot lights, terible lights and sound. Then when Sarah came on it was full production. Made me mad. Tamela On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Ron Jacobs wrote: > Why are you repulsed? I think it's a positive spin on a music > business dominated by a patriarchal mentality and sexist outlook. > Plus some of the music is pretty damn good. > -Ron Jacobs > > > > Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:48:25 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Robert Byler > > To: babel-list@postmodern.com > > Subject: Re: Shaved heads > > Reply-to: babel-list@postmodern.com > > > is anyone else kinda repulsed > > by the Lilith Fair? > > > > robert > > > > everythings better now knowing that Stevie Nicks is back with > > straight hair again > > > From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 20 07:16:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id HAA23773 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 07:16:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from IIGroup.com ([206.157.104.6]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id HAA23768 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 07:16:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by IIGroup.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 862564F9.004E775B ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:17:03 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: INC From: "Thomas W. Mohr" To: babel@postmodern.com Message-ID: <862564F9.004D14C3.00@IIGroup.com> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:17:02 -0500 Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #289 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Marty wrote: >I would bet Sarah McLachlan and whoever helped >put the show together were playing it safe so that Lillith would be >considered commercially viable and therefore able to continue. I think that is correct, that she wanted to make the first year work so that she would be able to take more chances next year. I read that she would like to include Ron Sexsmith, Freedy Johnston, and other male artistes next year. I also read that she tried to get PJ Harvey for some dates this year, but PJ had other commitments. And I have also read that she never planned Lilith as some all-encompassing survey of the wide range of female pop/rock artistes. Just an alternative to the male-dominated Lollapallooza, HORDE, etc. No one criticizes HORDE for not including Lou Reed, Joey Ramone and Barry Manilow in their all-encompassing survey of the wide range of male artistes... I saw the Lilith show in Chicago. My review is included with others at: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/8151/08-09-97-2.html Yes, seeing a Patti Smith there would have been great, but come on -- I saw folk singers, a jazz singer, a country legend, and a wonderful Tibetan singer. That was plenty. Tom 8-20 0914cdt From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 20 14:10:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id OAA24806 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:10:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout01.mail.aol.com (emout01.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.92]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id OAA24801 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:10:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Ethiopium@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout01.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id RAA05727 for babel@postmodern.com; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970820170756_622134049@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: babel@postmodern.com Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #288 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Hey Ariver23, if you're gonna knock something I say, why dontcha use your real name so I can answer you privately? By the way, I AM very hip and trendy, ask anyone...... Ciao, Mary From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 20 18:44:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id SAA25414 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:44:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id SAA25409 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:44:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [0.0.0.0.] (fi.smart.net [205.219.246.223]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA18237 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:44:42 -0400 Message-Id: <199708210144.VAA18237@gemini.smart.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Fiona Webster" Organization: http://www.oceanstar.com To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:30:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: "Best of the Bridge" album Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ A kind soul forwarded this to me from the Pretenders mailing list: Note that "People Have the Power" will be on this upcoming album. --Fiona Subject: pretend-l Best of the Bridge Date: 20 Aug 1997 11:13:31 -0700 The September edition of ICE has a blurb on the Bridge School Album, tentatively set for Nov 18 on Reprise. Story says they've pencilled in 17 tracks, including: Pretenders "Sense of Purpose" (1995) Elvis Costello "Alison" (1990) Ministry "Friend of the Devil" (94) Patti Smith "People Have the Power" (96) <----- Hootie "Till the Heartache Rolls In" (95) Simon & Garfunkel "America" (93) Beck "It's All in Your Mind" (95) Ann & Nancy Wilson "Battle of Evermore" (93) Pearl Jam "Corduroy" (94) Mazzy Star " Ride It On" (94) Tom Petty "Shadow of a Doubt" Bonnie Raitt "The Road is My Middle Name" Jackson Browne "Soldier of Plenty" and Neil doing "Stranger in Paradise" (93) and "Love & Only Love" with CH (1990) Two more tracks by Bowie and Tracy Chapman are supposed to appear as well. --------------------------- From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 20 21:05:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id VAA25742 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:05:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com (emout06.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.97]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id VAA25737 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:05:23 -0700 (PDT) From: LStierman@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id AAA18594 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 00:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 00:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970821000447_1359773340@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Shaved Heads Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ >Any Day Now I'm Gonna Shave My Head! > > > Me 'n' Sinead 'n' Michael 'n'...; > > > Not to Mention Others Whose Names I Could Mention. How about Liz? Chemotherapy is leaving me weak as a baby and almost as bald. I think it looks kinda cool, though, and I'm already sick of hats and wigs. With my one breast and a balding pate, I've been considering adding half a handlebar mustache and getting a circus gig as a half-man/half-woman... Inspired by the Women With Mustaches thread, Androgy-Liz From babel-list-owner Thu Aug 21 06:51:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id GAA28706 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 06:51:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from minnie.risd.edu (minnie.risd.edu [207.87.132.102]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id GAA28701 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 06:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccsmtp.risd.edu by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA22163; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:02:00 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA872183437 Thu, 21 Aug 97 10:10:37 EST Date: Thu, 21 Aug 97 10:10:37 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9707218721.AA872183437@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Shaved Heads Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Androgy-Liz, there is an excellent article on the web by Kathy Acker concerning her battle with breast cancer. I don't know the exact adress, it's at home, but I think if you did a search for Acj\ker you'd find it. I'm sorry I miled this to the whole list, but my server here at work does not list individual names, everything just comes from "Babel-list" as I've said before, the CNS here are morons. From babel-list-owner Thu Aug 21 07:06:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id HAA28783 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 07:06:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 06:48:51 -0400 From: mg@inmet.com (Mitch Gart) Message-Id: <199708211048.GAA16896@harp.camb.inmet.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: "Best of the Bridge" album Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ > Patti Smith "People Have the Power" (96) <----- Good to see Patti's song on the album, but the gem from the Bridge tape I've heard is an encore where Patti and Neil Young sang Neil's song "helpless" together. Neil sings the normal words from the song, and in between choruses Patti goes off on a great improvisation. - Mitch From babel-list-owner Thu Aug 21 07:07:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id HAA28821 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 07:07:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 06:55:08 -0400 From: mg@inmet.com (Mitch Gart) Message-Id: <199708211055.GAA17214@harp.camb.inmet.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Shaved heads Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Robert wrote > Plus in my opinion, women/or men for that matter singing songs > about Where Have All The Cowboys Gone is hardly forwarding any cause of > represion of women in the music industry. It just seems to me that whats > being represented a s the new womens voice in music is all > whining(Jewel)songs about men and how they cant get along with out them. Yes. What an awful song "Where Have All The Cowboys Gone" is, at least the idea behind the lyrics. The singing is pretty good. A couple of years ago I saw Jewel, she opened for Bob Dylan in Dylan's tour after the one where Patti opened for him. Of course nobody could have stood up well to that comparison, but still I thought Jewel was really awful and talentless and going nowhere, and Bob must have chosen her as a tourmate just for her looks. Shows how much I know about the music biz. :-( - Mitch From babel-list-owner Thu Aug 21 07:33:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id HAA28900 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 07:33:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from tir.com (sun.tir.com [205.138.41.6]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id HAA28893 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 07:32:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jswanson.tir.com (war53.tir.com [205.218.87.192]) by tir.com (8.7.5/8.7) with ESMTP id KAA21545 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33FC514A.840683EC@tir.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:31:40 -0400 From: Jenifer Swanson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Where have all the cowboys gone... X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199708211055.GAA17214@harp.camb.inmet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Hey people I have to disagree with what people have expressed as "repression of women" in the song "Where Have all the Cowboys Gone". Have any of you really listened to the lyrics? It does not portray the cowboy in the image of the negative male role model, no it portrays the man she is with, as not fitting up to an ideal...as ignoring her....as hanging out at the bar with the boys. The cowboy in this song represents what she's lost in her man and all the thing that are good and right about men. Its a lament for chilvary. jenifer (who is hoping this whole message gets through and in a more timely manner than usual) From babel-list-owner Thu Aug 21 09:34:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id JAA29108 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:34:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id JAA29103 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:34:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [0.0.0.0.] (fi.smart.net [205.219.246.223]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA02945 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:34:55 -0400 Message-Id: <199708211634.MAA02945@gemini.smart.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Fiona Webster" Organization: http://www.oceanstar.com To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:20:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Shaved heads Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199708211055.GAA17214@harp.camb.inmet.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Mitch writes: > A couple of years ago I saw Jewel, she opened for Bob Dylan in > Dylan's tour after the one where Patti opened for him. Of > course nobody could have stood up well to that comparison, but still > I thought Jewel was really awful and talentless and going nowhere, > and Bob must have chosen her as a tourmate just for her looks. > Shows how much I know about the music biz. :-( I hate to be tacky, but... I don't think Jewel is very attractive. Sure, she's pretty in that bland, cute-little-girl way that seems to be all over the media these days, but compared to Patti, or Maria McKee of Lone Justice, or any number of other women I could name (but *not* Alanis), she's dullsville. And she has that look about her, as if she thinks she's just too perfect for words, which always turns me off. If they're going to choose pop superstars on the basis of looks, I'd prefer they choose people more like Madonna, who at least has an *edge* to her appearance. Jewel looks like a smooth little custard dessert they might serve at a 3-star French restaurant -- utterly forgettable. --hoping Fiona Apple will go away soon, Fiona From babel-list-owner Thu Aug 21 10:36:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA29503 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:36:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from ocr_sgi1.freedom.com ([141.242.7.208]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id KAA29498 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:36:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ekaplan by ocr_sgi1.freedom.com via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) for id KAA27275; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:35:26 -0700 Message-Id: <199708211735.KAA27275@ocr_sgi1.freedom.com> From: "Ethan Kaplan" To: Subject: Re: Shaved heads Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:34:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ And don't forget that Jewel has really really nasty teeth. That is a very big turn-off. And I also consider her talentless, annonying and stupid. Anyhow, what about the new Patti album? ANyone heard anything on what it sounds like, singles, tours, videos? Ethan -----Original Message----- From: Fiona Webster To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Thursday, August 21, 1997 9:41 AM Subject: Re: Shaved heads >Mitch writes: >> A couple of years ago I saw Jewel, she opened for Bob Dylan in >> Dylan's tour after the one where Patti opened for him. Of >> course nobody could have stood up well to that comparison, but still >> I thought Jewel was really awful and talentless and going nowhere, >> and Bob must have chosen her as a tourmate just for her looks. >> Shows how much I know about the music biz. :-( > >I hate to be tacky, but... I don't think Jewel is very >attractive. Sure, she's pretty in that bland, cute-little-girl way >that seems to be all over the media these days, but compared >to Patti, or Maria McKee of Lone Justice, or any number of other >women I could name (but *not* Alanis), she's dullsville. And she >has that look about her, as if she thinks she's just too perfect for >words, which always turns me off. If they're going to choose pop >superstars on the basis of looks, I'd prefer they choose people more >like Madonna, who at least has an *edge* to her appearance. Jewel >looks like a smooth little custard dessert they might serve at a >3-star French restaurant -- utterly forgettable. > > --hoping Fiona Apple will go away soon, > > Fiona > From babel-list-owner Thu Aug 21 11:05:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA29654 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 11:05:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id LAA29649 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 11:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA22335 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 11:05:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA19968 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 11:04:22 -0700 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 11:04:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: rock posters and exhibit In-Reply-To: <33FC514A.840683EC@tir.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I went and saw a cool exhibit of rock poster by Derek Hess yesterday here in Berkeley. While there were none of Patti Smith, I would say if anyone is interested in this type of thing to check it out. The guy is a great artist, and his stuff is way different than most if not all of the other posters for bands that I have seen. Theres a great Iggy Pop poster. On this subject.... I seems that Mark Arminski is doing most of Pattis posters...does anyone know if she chooses him or is it visa versa--- or just a promo thing? Does she have any say in it? If she does I hope she checks out this Hess guys work and have him do some posters. If anyone in the bay area wants more info about exhibit let me know. robert. also wishing Fiona Apple would go away. From babel-list-owner Thu Aug 21 14:27:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id OAA00160 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:27:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id OAA00155 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from garym (pool050-max10.la-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.6.50]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA23373 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:27:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33FCB32F.1EA9@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:29:19 -0700 From: GaryM X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: P.Ubu References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Hey folks, I'm back. Had a weird e-mail glitch where every piece of e-mail I got (& I get over 300 a day) was replicated 30 TIMES!!! Totally screwed up my mailbox, got me un-subscribed to all my lists, & the mail had to be manually removed by earthlink, so I lost almost a week of e-mail, including the original posting of this question. Dan, write to me my e-mail address. If you send me a SASE I'll try to make a photocopy of the Cloudland booklet. For all fans or the mid-70s Clevo scene, there's an amazing 3-10" VINYL!!! Lp set called Those Were Different Times. It has an LP of unreleased material each by the legendary CLE bands Electric Eels, Mirrors (with Mike Weldon of Psychotronic fame) & Styrene Money band. Best, GaryM Craig Stoker wrote: > > >Dan Whitworth > dan@pint.com > > >PS. Anybody got a copy of Pere Ubu's Cloudland CD? Just found a used copy > sans booklet, and would really like to get my hands on a photocopy of same. > > Hi thar Dan! > > Do an archival search through Babel to find GaryM's email addy or try: > GaryM@earthlink.net. I lost all my nicknames and am rebuilding my > directory. Gary, if you read this ...please get in touch? Gary can help > with anything Ubu. He is the Ubu-ally here. From babel-list-owner Thu Aug 21 14:29:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id OAA00199 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:29:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id OAA00194 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:29:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from garym (pool050-max10.la-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.6.50]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA24041 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:29:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33FCB3A1.21A7@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:31:13 -0700 From: GaryM X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: P.Ubu/Hey Craig References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Craig Stoker wrote: Gary, if you read this ...please get in touch? Hey Craig, I'm Back! Your buddy, GaryM BTW, did you see that there's a new re-issue series (yeah another one) of T-Rex? One of 'em has as a bonus disc the Agora show that I've been searching all these years for! Good things come to those who sit & wait! From babel-list-owner Thu Aug 21 15:11:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id PAA00365 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:11:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from host.ld.centuryinter.net (www.ld.centuryinter.net [206.65.161.250]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id PAA00360 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:11:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppp0021.ms.centuryinter.net by host.ld.centuryinter.net; (5.65/1.1.8.2/16Aug95-0520PM) id AB23927; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:10:55 -0400 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:10:55 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970821170615.2717fce2@mail.wi.centuryinter.net> X-Sender: cen00746@mail.wi.centuryinter.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel@postmodern.com From: Mike Rice Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #290 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Anywhere I shave my head is home! Mike Rice From babel-list-owner Thu Aug 21 15:46:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id PAA00522 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:46:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from red.paston.co.uk (red.paston.co.uk [194.129.188.3]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id PAA00517 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:46:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Bad.EHLO.Input ([194.129.188.131]) by red.paston.co.uk with ESMTP id <843078-8378>; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:42:11 +0100 Message-ID: <33FC4D99.4BAD35D9@paston.co.uk> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:45:53 +0930 From: Ishmael Organization: http://www.paston.co.uk/users/ishmael X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Where have all the cowboys gone... X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199708211055.GAA17214@harp.camb.inmet.com> <33FC514A.840683EC@tir.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Jenifer Swanson wrote: > > Hey people > > I have to disagree with what people have expressed as "repression of > women" in the song "Where Have all the Cowboys Gone". Have any of you > really listened to the lyrics? I haven't heard the song under discussion but an article in the Guardian yesterday commented that whilst she and a tiny minority of hip individuals might pick up on the irony, the beer line gets the biggest cheer...mass media and irony seldom mix well together - ask Bruce Springsteen who had rather different intentions behind Born in the USA than another redneck anthem. Maybe that's why when Patti wants to make a political statement (cv PHTP) she skips the clever stuff and goes straight for the jugular.. ishmael From babel-list-owner Thu Aug 21 16:33:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id QAA00672 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:33:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com (emout07.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.22]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id QAA00667 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:33:48 -0700 (PDT) From: DblLatte0@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id TAA23996 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970821193145_1884331350@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Where have all the cowboys gone... Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I've always thought "where have all the cowboys gone" was putting down men. The lyrics are satirical to me. I saw Paula Cole a few years back as a opening act. She had a Sinead O Conner look, and stomped with her combat boots. I couldn't wait for her act to be over. I can't imagine her being serious about those lyrics. I saw her again at Lilith. I enjoy her music now. Nicki From babel-list-owner Thu Aug 21 17:05:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id RAA00750 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:05:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id RAA00745 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:05:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.virginia.edu (mail.Virginia.EDU [128.143.2.9]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id RAA23883 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:01:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from avery.med.virginia.edu by mail.virginia.edu id aa10629; 21 Aug 97 20:05 EDT Received: (from jrl6b@localhost) by avery.med.Virginia.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.6) id UAA110038 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:05:13 -0400 From: "Jeffery R. Lindholm" Message-Id: <199708220005.UAA110038@avery.med.Virginia.EDU> Subject: T Rex in Cleveland? To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:05:13 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <33FCB3A1.21A7@earthlink.net> from "GaryM" at Aug 21, 97 02:31:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ According to GaryM: > > BTW, did you see that there's a new re-issue series (yeah another one) > of T-Rex? One of 'em has as a bonus disc the Agora show that I've been > searching all these years for! Good things come to those who sit & wait! > Which album is this? I'd like to hear some T-Rex live in Cleveland! Thanks, -- Jeff Lindholm jrl6b@virginia.edu Health Sciences Communications University of Virginia From babel-list-owner Thu Aug 21 18:06:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id SAA00880 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:06:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from zeus.carroll.com (zeus.carroll.com [199.224.10.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id SAA00875 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [199.224.10.148] [199.224.10.148] by zeus.carroll.com with SMTP (8.8.5/0) id VAA12056; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 21:05:26 -0400 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 21:05:26 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: prod@carroll.com (Elvis) Subject: Re: Where W(F)uzz I...? Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ The posters were the same ones they had in Wash, DC on Jan 2 and 3rd and the book was "Early Works." P. >On Tue, 19 Aug 1997 GoRimbaud@aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 97-08-19 08:21:51 EDT, tamela writ: >> >> << I was in Boston too, and there were some nice sighned posters for sale, >> and books, I thought that was cool. >> >> >> what was the poster? what were the books? >> >> pw >> From babel-list-owner Thu Aug 21 18:11:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id SAA00919 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:11:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from zeus.carroll.com (zeus.carroll.com [199.224.10.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id SAA00914 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [199.224.10.148] [199.224.10.148] by zeus.carroll.com with SMTP (8.8.5/0) id VAA12294; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 21:10:32 -0400 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 21:10:32 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: prod@carroll.com (Elvis) Subject: Re: Shaved heads Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Maybe Veruca Salt and Tori were off doing their own tours. Not even Lollapalooza gets everyone they want because of scheduling conflicts. And not every artist likes to be part of these package shows. As a fan, I certainly wouldn't go to any of them--and that included the Randall's Island Tibet concerts. I'd rather see a complete set by my faves and be in the comfort of the great indoors. :) P. >Granted, there's enough whining to go around for everyone these days >(that's why I've been listening to a lot of British music these days, check >out the latest Charlatans, Supergrass and Sneaker Pimps). And I agree, if >they are going advertise Lillith as a "women's music showcase" then they >ought to show a little diversity. Personally, I'd love to hear Mary Chapiin >Carpenter followed by Veruca Salt followed by Tori Amos followed by Patti >and maybe if they continue next year, something like that will happen. >There are a lot of festivals going around these days and most cater to one >form of music over another. I would bet Sarah McLachlan and whoever helped >put the show together were playing it safe so that Lillith would be >considered commercially viable and therefore able to continue. From babel-list-owner Thu Aug 21 18:51:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id SAA01010 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:51:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from access.netaxs.com (mail@access.netaxs.com [207.8.186.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id SAA01005 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix5.netaxs.com (mail@unix5.netaxs.com [207.8.186.7]) by access.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA22479 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 21:51:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Anthony J. Rzepela" Received: (from rzepelaa@localhost) by unix5.netaxs.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) id VAA13020 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 21:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708220151.VAA13020@unix5.netaxs.com> Subject: Re: Shaved heads To: babel-list@postmodern.com (babel-list) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 21:51:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Elvis wrote: > > Maybe Veruca Salt and Tori were off doing their own tours. True enough. Veruca Salt played the 9:30 club in DC on August 1. Vague Patti content coming up: After Prince's show at the USAir Arena August 1, a friend and I set off for his aftershow at the 9:30 club, relying for directions only on our vague recollections of trying to get there for Patti in January. Like a lightning bolt from the blue, the photographic image of my PS ticket appeared in my mind, from which I could "read" the address. We were at the 9:30 in no time flat! Divinity! From babel-list-owner Thu Aug 21 23:11:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id XAA01418 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:11:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from powergrid.electriciti.com (root@powergrid.electriciti.com [198.5.212.11]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id XAA01413 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:11:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [198.5.212.58] (line13.cs6.electriciti.com [198.5.212.58]) by powergrid.electriciti.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA09734 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:12:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: babu@electriciti.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:17:19 -0700 To: babel@postmodern.com From: runner Subject: i'm a bitch, I'm a liar (meredith brooks) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ kinda reminds me of "I am an american artist <....and....> I have not sold myself to god!" from the babelogue intro to Rock n Roll Nigger. Has somebody already said that? Douglas http://www.electriciti.com/babu/ | 0 | The map is not the territory | { - | --Korzybski ----> | /\ | ========= From babel-list-owner Thu Aug 21 23:26:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id XAA01488 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:26:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from access.netaxs.com (mail@access.netaxs.com [207.8.186.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id XAA01483 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix3.netaxs.com (mail@unix3.netaxs.com [207.8.186.5]) by access.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA18847 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 02:26:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Anthony J. Rzepela" Received: (from rzepelaa@localhost) by unix3.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA03760 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 02:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708220626.CAA03760@unix3.netaxs.com> Subject: Re: i'm a bitch, I'm a liar (meredith brooks) To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 02:26:47 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "runner" at Aug 21, 97 11:17:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ runner wrote: > > kinda reminds me of "I am an american artist <....and....> I have not sold > myself to god!" from the babelogue intro to Rock n Roll Nigger. Has > somebody already said that? Reminds me, unfailingly, of Elton John's "The Bitch is Back". And that's not a good thing. ++Tony "eat meat on a Friday, that's alright" Rzepela From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 22 01:22:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id BAA03498 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 01:22:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from powergrid.electriciti.com (root@powergrid.electriciti.com [198.5.212.11]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id BAA03493 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 01:22:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [198.5.212.48] (line03.cs6.electriciti.com [198.5.212.48]) by powergrid.electriciti.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA17488 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 01:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199708220800.BAA03453@server.postmodern.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 01:27:32 -0700 To: babel@postmodern.com From: runner Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #291 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ > From: mg@inmet.com (Mitch Gart) > Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 06:55:08 -0400 > Subject: Re: Shaved heads > A couple of years ago I saw Jewel, she opened for Bob Dylan in > Dylan's tour after the one where Patti opened for him. Of > course nobody could have stood up well to that comparison, but still > I thought Jewel was really awful and talentless and going nowhere, > and Bob must have chosen her as a tourmate just for her looks. > Shows how much I know about the music biz. :-( yeah, but when I saw her at the irvine meadows lillith fair, she did a cover of "walking barefoot". It was kind of weird to hear that coming out of her horrible, scraggly, weak voice. oh, she was not pleasant to listen to, tring vainly to capture the high notes, the attitude of the original. But she was trying and presenting her self in that general direction, so I give her credit for that. > > - - Mitch and regarding fiona apple getting corred away, well, read this bo diddly, I think it was, interview in this month's raygun. He's asked what he thinks of the new guitar players, or something like that, and he says how proud he is that they're playing so well, stealing all his good licks and the like at such an early age. What will they play like in 50 years he asks back, what if I had known all of that then, my o my, how much better he'd be now. Something like that. makes me think of jeff buckley and his amazing skills. and how lenny has worked with kristin hersh who still continues to amaze me. Heard M. Stipe singing "to sir with love" this morning while showering. What's that all about? Love that man. Douglas http://www.electriciti.com/babu/ | 0 | The map is not the territory | { - | --Korzybski ----> | /\ | ========= From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 22 05:23:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA04131 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 05:23:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id FAA04126 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 05:23:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [0.0.0.0.] (fi.smart.net [205.219.246.223]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA25893 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:23:48 -0400 Message-Id: <199708221223.IAA25893@gemini.smart.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Fiona Webster" Organization: http://www.oceanstar.com To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:09:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: more news tidbits Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ The man from BMG Music tossed another couple of crumbs my way: Major Billboard story next week. She will appear on David Letterman in October. Remember: September 30th is the supposed big day! --no tour news, sorry, Fiona From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 22 07:05:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id HAA04337 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 07:05:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from IIGroup.com ([206.157.104.6]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id HAA04332 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 07:05:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by IIGroup.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 862564FB.004D83DD ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:06:40 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: INC From: "Thomas W. Mohr" To: babel@postmodern.com Message-ID: <862564FB.004C9D06.00@IIGroup.com> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:06:38 -0500 Subject: Patti, Jewel and Paula Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ De-lurking momentarily... This month's ICE magazine confirms that the spoken work cd on Tim/Kerr is to be rescheduled. Their new release listing does not include the new album either. And to the Jewel-bashers -- if only you could have seen her before she became a Major Performer. We saw her in a club last year, and she was quite good, if somewhat lightweight. She wasn't yet into that wailing-to-the-rafters bit. And to the Paula Cole ("Where Have All the Cowboys Gone") bashers, I think you might be suffering from irony-deficiency... Tom 8-22 0900cdt From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 22 07:06:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id HAA04357 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 07:06:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from access.netaxs.com (mail@access.netaxs.com [207.8.186.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id HAA04352 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 07:06:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix4.netaxs.com (mail@unix4.netaxs.com [207.8.186.6]) by access.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA25939 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:06:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Anthony J. Rzepela" Received: (from rzepelaa@localhost) by unix4.netaxs.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) id KAA13811 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708221406.KAA13811@unix4.netaxs.com> Subject: Re: i'm a bitch, I'm a liar (meredith brooks) To: babel-list@postmodern.com (babel-list) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:06:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Anthony J. Rzepela wrote: > Reminds me, unfailingly, of Elton John's "The Bitch is Back". > > And that's not a good thing. Oh, yeah. I almost forgot. 50% Elton and 50% that '80s song (by Berlin?): "I'm a slut. I'm a bitch. I'm a blue movieeee... When we make love together....." ObTrueEvil: Patti on PBS on the 27th, and I'm gonna be on a Stones-show roadtrip... ARGH! From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 22 07:57:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id HAA04564 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 07:57:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from SMTP.MSS-INC.COM (smtp.mss-inc.com [207.86.126.42]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id HAA04559 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 07:57:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by SMTP.MSS-INC.COM from localhost (router,SLmail95 V2.1); Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:57:54 EDT Received: by SMTP.MSS-INC.COM from MSSSC.MSS-INC.COM (207.86.126.44::mail daemon; unverified,SLmail95 V2.1); Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:50:50 EDT Message-ID: <33FDA6F1.11A2@MSS-Inc.Com> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:49:21 -0400 From: "Steve Combs" Organization: MSSI Consultants X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #291 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Ah, the great "To Sir..."! That might have been the duet w/Natalie Merchant at the MTV Clinton Innaugural Ball (the first one) which actually was a 10,000 Maniacs gig with Mikey making a surprise visit. He also joined them for another song which I can't remember (What's The Matter?). I have the set on audio, if interested. I wonder what Patti would have said or what her set would have consisted of if she were invited? On another "Sir" note, I also have a pretty cool version of (don't laugh!) Soul Asylum live, I think at a different ball, doing this song, backing up the powerful Lulu who sounds great! Her voice *and bod* in excellent shape! Sorry you guys don't know me yet. I am preparing an intro and will post later. Have a great w/end! Off to see Dylan, Difranco and Danko? (I hope!) Sun at Wolf Trap. "Don't think twice, it's alright!" -Sir Bob Peace & Love...SteveSea Heard M. Stipe > singing "to sir with love" this morning while showering. What's that all > about? Love that man. > > Douglas > > http://www.electriciti.com/babu/ | 0 | The map is > not the territory > | { - | --Korzybski > ----> | /\ | > ========= From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 22 09:05:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id JAA04722 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:05:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id JAA04717 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:05:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA31585 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:05:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA19368 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:02:01 -0700 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:02:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: babel-list Subject: Re: pbs special In-Reply-To: <199708221406.KAA13811@unix4.netaxs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ i have a feeling that the pbs thing will not be shown here....can someone tape it for moi? We can do a trade or whatever.....Thanks. robert. no lack of irony here, just sensitive ears. From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 22 09:16:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id JAA04806 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:16:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout28.mail.aol.com (emout28.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.133]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id JAA04801 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:16:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Bluemuse@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout28.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA05390 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970822121447_774314269@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Shaved heads Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ > --hoping Fiona Apple will go away soon, Hmm, I like Fiona Apple. Got turned onto her that night I waited up for 120 Minutes to play the then-new Patti video, and the next video after that was Fiona Apple's. I liked it, no shrill high voices, moody piano plodding along. No, she ain't Patti, and likely never will be on that level, but I enjoy her album. Now, keep in mind that I never listen to commercial radio, so I am utterly clueless about any hype and hyperbole that might have grown up about her . . . --Bob Farace From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 22 10:52:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA05382 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:52:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from minnie.risd.edu (minnie.risd.edu [207.87.132.102]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id KAA05377 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:51:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccsmtp.risd.edu by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA13714; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:01:36 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA872284212 Fri, 22 Aug 97 14:10:12 EST Date: Fri, 22 Aug 97 14:10:12 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9707228722.AA872284212@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re[2]: Shaved heads Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Who is Fiona Apple. I've never even heard of her? Does she have a top 40 or something? From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 22 10:56:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA05426 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:56:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from minnie.risd.edu (minnie.risd.edu [207.87.132.102]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id KAA05421 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:56:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccsmtp.risd.edu by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA10540; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:06:41 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA872284524 Fri, 22 Aug 97 14:15:24 EST Date: Fri, 22 Aug 97 14:15:24 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9707228722.AA872284524@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re[2]: movies Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Lori, we wouold like to get Ginsberg's film of Ballad of the Skeletons. Can you tell me how? Thanks. Ciao. From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 22 10:59:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA05477 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:59:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id KAA05472 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:59:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [0.0.0.0.] (fi.smart.net [205.219.246.223]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA02194 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:59:27 -0400 Message-Id: <199708221759.NAA02194@gemini.smart.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Fiona Webster" Organization: http://www.oceanstar.com To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:45:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: pbs special Priority: normal References: <199708221406.KAA13811@unix4.netaxs.com> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Speaking of which, there's a bit of confusion (in my mind, at least) about what the date. Is it September 26 or 27? Has anyone checked to see if the PBS Sessions site has listed it yet? --who me? eager? Fiona From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 22 11:09:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA05560 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:09:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from connectnet1.connectnet.com (root@connectnet1.connectnet.com [207.110.0.50]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id LAA05555 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:09:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dan.pint.com (pc3.pint.com [206.251.142.7]) by connectnet1.connectnet.com (8.8.7/CONNECTnet-4.0/NORELAY) with SMTP id LAA19950 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708221809.LAA19950@connectnet1.connectnet.com> X-Sender: dan@sun.pint.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: Dan Whitworth Subject: Jewel, Shmewel Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Haven't actually heard Jewel's album even though it's been out for about seven years now [or so it seems]. Saw her in a singer/songwriter's panel at the now-defunct Independent Music Seminar in 1993, along with other San Diego based musicians, namely Cindy Lee Berryhill, Gregory Page and another guy whose vapid material, vaguely reminiscent of America (remember them? ever think they'd be mentioned on this list?) inspires me to omit his name. (Sadly, I was obliged to endure him a year later when he opened for John Cale...) I thought Jewel had a pretty good voice, but what I took away from this performance/panel was a headful of tunes by Berryhill and Page. New tunes I had never heard before, that I found myself humming hours later with a remarkably high level of lyric retention (sounds contagious but you all know what I mean). I don't mean to suggest that Jewel's music is BAD (the nameless vapid guy was bad) but to assert that Page's and Berryhill's was obviously superior. Nothing Jewel sang lodged in my brain the way Berryhill's "Gary Handeman" did. And yet Page's only album to date barely made a ripple outside the local scene, and Berryhill's two albums since then haven't exactly hit the Top 40. Cynics among us (myself included) might suspect that the music biz rates actual talent pretty low on its list of criteria for serious distribution & promotion. If you doubt the importance of these things, consider this: Berryhill's great "Garage Orchestra" disc had pretty spotty distribution from her label, Cargo. Her next album, also on Cargo, sold twice as well simply because Cargo managed to get it distributed through Capitol. Just being in the stores makes a big difference. Of course, this is just a longtime Berryhill booster venting some minor spleen. I'm just hoping she'll go platinum so Rhino will reissue her first two albums. Obscure regards, Dan Whitworth From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 22 11:30:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA05628 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:30:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout12.mail.aol.com (emout12.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.38]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id LAA05622 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:30:24 -0700 (PDT) From: LStierman@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA14704 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970822142623_151409019@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Patti em-puzzled Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Yesterday's Los Angeles Times crossword puzzle contained this clue: 1 Across (5 letters) "New Wave" singer Smith Delighted when Patti turns up in odd places, Liz From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 22 11:30:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA05646 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:30:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from tir.com (sun.tir.com [205.138.41.6]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id LAA05624 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jswanson.tir.com (war77.tir.com [205.218.87.216]) by tir.com (8.7.5/8.7) with ESMTP id OAA10953 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33FDDA74.8FFBBF44@tir.com> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:29:12 -0400 From: Jenifer Swanson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Jewel, Shmewel X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199708221809.LAA19950@connectnet1.connectnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I have both of Cindy Lee Berryhill's first two albums. She's a great undiscovered talent and worth seeking out. I heard distinct Patti influences in Cindy's style of SoCal folk. Love and laughter jenifer From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 22 12:25:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA05845 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:25:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id MAA05840 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:25:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA14248 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:25:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA19311 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:22:18 -0700 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:22:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: clb In-Reply-To: <199708221809.LAA19950@connectnet1.connectnet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ thanks for bringing up Cindy Lee Berryhill... always liked her... - and what about Penelope Houston...i have a interview CD where she talks about how Patti SMith was a major influence....of course the Avengers were great. Some of her new folk stuff I like, but not a lot of it...but still respect her art and what she has done.... Oh yeah, I just saw the Punk reprint book- that has some of the old punk zine. The graffiti Patti Smith photo was very funny- check it out. robert From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 22 12:38:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA05901 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:38:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from inmet.com (mx1.inmet.com [141.199.15.7]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id MAA05896 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:38:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harp.camb.inmet.com by inmet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA27861; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:37:39 -0400 Received: by harp.camb.inmet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA20683; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:37:38 -0400 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:37:38 -0400 From: mg@inmet.com (Mitch Gart) Message-Id: <199708221937.PAA20683@harp.camb.inmet.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: pbs special Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ The PBS site says the special is on the 27th. - Mitch From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 22 12:41:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA05941 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:41:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id MAA05936 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:41:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.virginia.edu (mail.Virginia.EDU [128.143.2.9]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id MAA02199 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:37:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from avery.med.virginia.edu by mail.virginia.edu id aa17458; 22 Aug 97 15:40 EDT Received: from bootp-115-23.bootp.Virginia.EDU (bootp-115-23.bootp.Virginia.EDU [128.143.115.23]) by avery.med.Virginia.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA54160 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:40:54 -0400 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:40:54 -0400 Message-Id: <199708221940.PAA54160@avery.med.Virginia.EDU> X-Sender: jrl6b@avery.med.virginia.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: Jeffery Lindholm Subject: Re: clb Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ At 12:22 PM 8/22/97 -0700, you wrote: >Oh yeah, I just saw the Punk reprint book- that has some of the old punk >zine. The graffiti Patti Smith photo was very funny- check it out. > >robert > Does this reprint stuff from John Holstrom's Punk magazine? The one with the neat comics of punkers and stuff? From like 1978? The one that was really funny and cartoony? What's the name of the book? How can I get one? Is it published by a real company so I can order it from Barnes and Noble or some such, or do I have to special order it from somewhere? Jeff Lindholm jrl6b@virginia.edu (who's been lovingly saving his old copies of "Punk" for about 20 years or so--God, I can't even begin to believe it's been that long!!!!!!! > > From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 22 12:42:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA05985 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:42:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id MAA05980 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.virginia.edu (mail.Virginia.EDU [128.143.2.9]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id MAA02253 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:38:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from avery.med.virginia.edu by mail.virginia.edu id aa17866; 22 Aug 97 15:41 EDT Received: from bootp-115-23.bootp.Virginia.EDU (bootp-115-23.bootp.Virginia.EDU [128.143.115.23]) by avery.med.Virginia.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA219350 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:41:41 -0400 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:41:41 -0400 Message-Id: <199708221941.PAA219350@avery.med.Virginia.EDU> X-Sender: jrl6b@avery.med.virginia.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: Jeffery Lindholm Subject: "Punk" magazine reprint? Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ >Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:41:19 >To: babel-list@postmodern.com >From: Jeffery Lindholm >Subject: Re: clb > >At 12:22 PM 8/22/97 -0700, you wrote: >>Oh yeah, I just saw the Punk reprint book- that has some of the old punk >>zine. The graffiti Patti Smith photo was very funny- check it out. >> >>robert >> > >Does this reprint stuff from John Holstrom's Punk magazine? The one with the neat comics of punkers and stuff? From like 1978? The one that was really funny and cartoony? > >What's the name of the book? How can I get one? Is it published by a real company so I can order it from Barnes and Noble or some such, or do I have to special order it from somewhere? > >Jeff Lindholm >jrl6b@virginia.edu > >(who's been lovingly saving his old copies of "Punk" for about 20 years or so--God, I can't even begin to believe it's been that long!!!!!!! > >> >> > From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 22 13:06:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id NAA06072 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:06:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from host.ld.centuryinter.net (www.ld.centuryinter.net [206.65.161.250]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id NAA06067 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppp0011.ms.centuryinter.net by host.ld.centuryinter.net; (5.65/1.1.8.2/16Aug95-0520PM) id AA26109; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 16:06:08 -0400 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 16:06:08 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970822110123.1a57ad44@mail.wi.centuryinter.net> X-Sender: cen00746@mail.wi.centuryinter.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel@postmodern.com From: Mike Rice Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #291 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ "mass media and irony seldom mix well together - ask Bruce Springsteen who had rather different intentions behind Born in the USA than another redneck anthem." If you really believe this, you need to read John Goodman's Mansion on the Hill, which reveals Bruce Springsteen has no ideas that are not those of his producer and Svengali, Jon Landau. Goodman says the simple singer-songwriter from New Jersey, is, indeed, simple. Mike Rice From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 22 14:03:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id OAA06256 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:03:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id OAA06251 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [0.0.0.0.] (fi.smart.net [205.219.246.223]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA07595 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:02:49 -0400 Message-Id: <199708222102.RAA07595@gemini.smart.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Fiona Webster" Organization: http://www.oceanstar.com To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 16:48:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #291 Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1.5.4.16.19970822110123.1a57ad44@mail.wi.centuryinter.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ > "mass media and irony seldom mix well together - ask Bruce > Springsteen who had rather different intentions behind Born in the USA > than another redneck anthem." > > If you really believe this, you need to read John Goodman's Mansion on the Hill, > which reveals Bruce Springsteen has no ideas that are not those of his producer > and Svengali, Jon Landau. Goodman says the simple singer-songwriter from > New Jersey, is, indeed, simple. I don't get your point, Mike. What if (theoretically) Jon Landau gave Bruce Springsteen the idea of writing "Born in the USA" as an embittered song about the experiences of Nam vets? What if Jon Landau (for that matter) even *wrote* the song? It's still an embittered song about Nam vets, so Springsteen's intentions (original or otherwise) were not that it be taken as a redneck anthem. --Fiona From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 22 14:10:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id OAA06324 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:10:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id OAA06319 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA23351 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:10:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA04596 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:07:35 -0700 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:07:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: "Punk" magazine reprint? In-Reply-To: <199708221941.PAA219350@avery.med.Virginia.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Yes it is the one you are talking about. though It doesnt have all of the issues... i did not remember the publisher...so I looked it up at Amazon Com. Punk:The Original by Punk Magazine (Editor) Paperback Published by Trans-High Corp Publication date: August 1996 ISBN: 0964785854 List: $19.95 ~ Our Price: $19.95 Availability: This item usually ships within 4-6 weeks. Please note that items occasionally go out of print or publishers run out of stock. We will notify you within 2-3 weeks if we have trouble obtaining this item. robert From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 22 15:43:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id PAA06487 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:43:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from york.interport.net (york.interport.net [199.184.165.8]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id PAA06482 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:43:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from #dalynyc.interport.com (ts3port24.port.net [207.38.249.24]) by york.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA24691 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33FE167B.20C3@interport.net> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:45:15 -0400 From: JED X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: pbs special References: <199708221937.PAA20683@harp.camb.inmet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Mitch Gart wrote: > > The PBS site says the special is on the 27th. > > - Mitch Advance warning...if you end up taping this thing, make sure you tape an extra hour or so. Last month when Sonic Youth was on, PBS in New York was doing one of their dumb fund raising things and the show ended up going on 1/2 later than listed...(I got it anyway, but...anybody who set the vcr for an hour would have missed them). From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 22 16:42:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id QAA06653 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 16:42:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.3]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id QAA06644 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 16:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA23931 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:41:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nbw-nj10-18.ix.netcom.com(207.94.119.82) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma023879; Fri Aug 22 18:40:44 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970822195457.009ac210@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: sulak@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:54:57 -0400 To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: John Sulak Subject: Re: clb In-Reply-To: <199708221940.PAA54160@avery.med.Virginia.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Jeff, Nice to see you are still alive! After posting that you could make some tapes for me last you, I sent you two blanks that you signed for with the USPS. Remember me? At 03:40 PM 8/22/97 -0400, you wrote: >At 12:22 PM 8/22/97 -0700, you wrote: >>Oh yeah, I just saw the Punk reprint book- that has some of the old punk >>zine. The graffiti Patti Smith photo was very funny- check it out. >> >>robert >> > >Does this reprint stuff from John Holstrom's Punk magazine? The one with the >neat comics of punkers and stuff? From like 1978? The one that was really >funny and cartoony? > >What's the name of the book? How can I get one? Is it published by a real >company so I can order it from Barnes and Noble or some such, or do I have >to special order it from somewhere? > >Jeff Lindholm >jrl6b@virginia.edu > >(who's been lovingly saving his old copies of "Punk" for about 20 years or >so--God, I can't even begin to believe it's been that long!!!!!!! > >> >> > > > From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 22 16:51:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id QAA06699 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 16:51:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mail.virginia.edu (mail.Virginia.EDU [128.143.2.9]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id QAA06694 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 16:51:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from avery.med.virginia.edu by mail.virginia.edu id aa18053; 22 Aug 97 19:51 EDT Received: (from jrl6b@localhost) by avery.med.Virginia.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.6) id TAA66074 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:51:07 -0400 From: "Jeffery R. Lindholm" Message-Id: <199708222351.TAA66074@avery.med.Virginia.EDU> Subject: Owed tapes To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:51:06 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19970822195457.009ac210@popd.ix.netcom.com> from "John Sulak" at Aug 22, 97 07:54:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ According to John Sulak: > > Jeff, Nice to see you are still alive! After posting that you could make > some tapes for me last you, I sent you two blanks that you signed for with > the USPS. Remember me? > Yes, I do. "Privlege?" That's not the right spelling, but I lost your address, I moved, then I forgot. I'm very sorry. I hardly ever do this tape thing. And I forgot. I will send you right out this weekend a tape of the soundtrack and your blank back, if you'll tell me your address. Sorry again. -- Jeff Lindholm jrl6b@virginia.edu Health Sciences Communications University of Virginia From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 22 16:59:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id QAA06753 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 16:59:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com (emout10.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.25]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id QAA06748 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 16:59:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Bluemuse@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id TAA26869 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970822195821_1054898512@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: P.Ubu Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ In a message dated 8/22/97 2:39:16 PM, you wrote: > For all fans or the mid-70s Clevo scene, there's an amazing 3-10" >VINYL!!! Lp set called Those Were Different Times. It has an LP of >unreleased material each by the legendary CLE bands Electric Eels, >Mirrors (with Mike Weldon of Psychotronic fame) & Styrene Money band. Where does one find this? Is this recent? Sounds pretty cool. --Bob Farace From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 22 17:46:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id RAA06879 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:46:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from red.paston.co.uk (red.paston.co.uk [194.129.188.3]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id RAA06874 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:45:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Bad.EHLO.Input ([194.129.188.162]) by red.paston.co.uk with ESMTP id <843087-146>; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:41:54 +0100 Message-ID: <33FDBB25.7DBF9FAC@paston.co.uk> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:45:33 +0930 From: Ishmael Organization: http://www.paston.co.uk/users/ishmael X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #291 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <1.5.4.16.19970822110123.1a57ad44@mail.wi.centuryinter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Mike Rice wrote: > > "mass media and irony seldom mix well together - ask Bruce > Springsteen who had rather different intentions behind Born in the USA > than another redneck anthem." > > If you really believe this, you need to read John Goodman's Mansion on > the Hill, > which reveals Bruce Springsteen has no ideas that are not those of his > producer > and Svengali, Jon Landau. Goodman says the simple singer-songwriter > from > New Jersey, is, indeed, simple. > > Mike Rice Granted that I haven't read the book, I've only listened to the records...but if Springsteen has really never had a thought of his own in twenty years...wouldn't it have been easier for Landau just to go out and do it himself? And is "No job bad, okay job better" etc (I'd never claim Springsteen was Bertrand Russel) too complex a view to hold sincerely? Occasionally, its nice to believe in a record as a thing of value in itself. Its there, it means something. One day someone will write a similar book about Lenny Kaye I guess. Funnily enough, I'm not that much of a fan. Its just the first example of a misappropriated-by-mass-consumption song that came into my head. ishmael ishmael From babel-list-owner Sat Aug 23 00:02:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id AAA08780 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:02:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com (brickbat8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.11]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id AAA08637 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:02:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip70.an3-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.14.70]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA22362 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 03:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 03:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970823030046.50e7bc4e@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: eltyger@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" Subject: Re:[2] "Punk" magazine reprint? Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 0101 EDT // Sat 23 Aug 97 // BklnNYC FWIW: Trans-High Corp Produces *High Times* Magazine - on the masthead of which is "Jon Holmstrom" as "Publisher". Of course Holmstrom's the Original guy behind *Punk* Magazine... ************************************************************** >Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:07:34 -0700 (PDT) >From: Robert Byler >To: babel-list@postmodern.com >Subject: Re: "Punk" magazine reprint? ... >Yes it is the one you are talking about. though It doesnt have all of the >issues... >i did not remember the publisher...so I looked it up at Amazon Com. > Punk:The Original > by Punk Magazine (Editor) > > Paperback > Published by Trans-High Corp > Publication date: August 1996 > ISBN: 0964785854 > List: $19.95 ~ Our Price: $19.95 > Availability: This item usually ships within 4-6 >weeks. Please note > that items occasionally go out of print or publishers >run out of stock. > We will notify you within 2-3 weeks if we have trouble >obtaining > this item. > > > robert ************************************************************** Back-Issues of *Punk* are Collectibles (If only barely Smokable...), --// eLTyger --// /*RESPECT FOR THE ELECTRON(S)*/ --// /*SACRED LIGHTNING/ DANCE THE WORLD*/ From babel-list-owner Sat Aug 23 01:45:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id BAA09345 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:45:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from host.ld.centuryinter.net (www.ld.centuryinter.net [206.65.161.250]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id BAA09340 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:45:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppp0005.ms.centuryinter.net by host.ld.centuryinter.net; (5.65/1.1.8.2/16Aug95-0520PM) id AA25407; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 04:45:23 -0400 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 04:45:23 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970823034034.095f96dc@mail.wi.centuryinter.net> X-Sender: cen00746@mail.wi.centuryinter.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel@postmodern.com From: Mike Rice Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #292 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ > "mass media and irony seldom mix well together - ask Bruce > Springsteen who had rather different intentions behind Born in the USA > than another redneck anthem." > > If you really believe this, you need to read John Goodman's Mansion on the Hill, > which reveals Bruce Springsteen has no ideas that are not those of his producer > and Svengali, Jon Landau. Goodman says the simple singer-songwriter from > New Jersey, is, indeed, simple. I don't get your point, Mike. What if (theoretically) Jon Landau gave Bruce Springsteen the idea of writing "Born in the USA" as an embittered song about the experiences of Nam vets? What if Jon Landau (for that matter) even *wrote* the song? It's still an embittered song about Nam vets, so Springsteen's intentions (original or otherwise) were not that it be taken as a redneck anthem. --Fiona Read the book, Fiona. I can't summarize its points with a few terse sentences here. Goodman's large theme is that the singer-songwriter folk artists who emerged after the Beatles, soon began selling their souls for filthy lucre. Agent and Record Company owner David Geffen, Landau, and Springsteen are singled out as representative of the trend. The album which included Born in the USA had an entire chapter devoted to it. Landau, according to Goodman, shaped Springsteen's LP into a tribute to the Reagan values that were then prevalent in the U.S. I attended a local hospital benefit here right after Desert Storm. Springteen's song was used as soundtrack to an overdone patriotic slideshow I could barely keep from laughing out loud at. Mike Rice From babel-list-owner Sat Aug 23 14:02:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id OAA10601 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 14:02:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from tir.com (sun.tir.com [205.138.41.6]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id OAA10596 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 14:02:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jswanson.tir.com (war57.tir.com [205.218.87.196]) by tir.com (8.7.5/8.7) with ESMTP id RAA13121 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33FF4F91.6FC1B6F0@tir.com> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:01:06 -0400 From: Jenifer Swanson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: PBS On Tour X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199708221809.LAA19950@connectnet1.connectnet.com> <33FDDA74.8FFBBF44@tir.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Does anyone know what the name of the band was that played before Shonen Knife (sp???) on PBS's On Tour about 5 or 6 weeks ago? Is there a web page for this program? I haven't had time to look... Thanks! Love and laughter jenifer From babel-list-owner Sat Aug 23 14:39:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id OAA10678 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 14:39:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id OAA10673 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 14:39:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [0.0.0.0.] (fi.smart.net [205.219.246.223]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA30186 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:39:48 -0400 Message-Id: <199708232139.RAA30186@gemini.smart.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Fiona Webster" Organization: http://www.oceanstar.com To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:25:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #292 Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1.5.4.16.19970823034034.095f96dc@mail.wi.centuryinter.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Sorry for this off-topic discussion, but Mike says: > Landau, according to Goodman, shaped Springsteen's LP > into a tribute to the Reagan values that were then prevalent in the U.S. Uh... what makes you say that, given that it's *not* a tribute to Reagan values? Have you listened to the lyrics of "Born in the USA" lately? > I attended a local hospital benefit here right after Desert > Storm. Springteen's song was used as soundtrack to an overdone > patriotic slideshow I could barely keep from laughing out loud > at. That just means the people putting on the benefit were clueless. --Fiona From babel-list-owner Sat Aug 23 14:45:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id OAA10726 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 14:45:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from tir.com (sun.tir.com [205.138.41.6]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id OAA10721 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 14:45:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jswanson.tir.com (war57.tir.com [205.218.87.196]) by tir.com (8.7.5/8.7) with ESMTP id RAA20553 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33FF5991.1E942B4A@tir.com> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:44:08 -0400 From: Jenifer Swanson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: PBS On Tour X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199708221809.LAA19950@connectnet1.connectnet.com> <33FDDA74.8FFBBF44@tir.com> <33FF4F91.6FC1B6F0@tir.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ ok... I found the url....http://www.pbs.org/kcet/ontour/backstage.html...but I guess the other band wasnt Shonen Knife or whatever. It was an oriental woman's band...Japanese, I believe....I need to know who the OTHER band was....Thanks anyone who can help! Love and laughter jenifer From babel-list-owner Sat Aug 23 14:46:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id OAA10766 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 14:46:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout15.mail.aol.com (emout15.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.41]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id OAA10761 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 14:46:36 -0700 (PDT) From: TMPJAccas@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout15.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id RAA09693 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970823174550_431839726@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: PBS On Tour Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I didn't see it but if they lead singer was bald and 30 with a female bass player is was Probably Smashing Pumpkins...o well...if it was SP and someone has a copy of it or something maybe we could work out a trade or something... waiting for the 27th ~~Mike From babel-list-owner Sat Aug 23 16:07:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id QAA10920 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 16:07:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from brickbat9.mindspring.com (brickbat9.mindspring.com [207.69.200.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id QAA10915 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 16:07:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip223.an5-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.16.223]) by brickbat9.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA10155 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 19:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 19:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970823190514.0e27be78@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: eltyger@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" Subject: Re:[FW]Springsteen Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 1840 EDT // Sat 23 Aug 97 // BklnNYC I seem to recall that Reagan wanted to use *Born In The USA* as a Campaign theme in 1984, and Bruce refused to Permit it. So was Bruce Speaking for Landau? Or against Landau's Wishes? I Believe in Bruce. I Do Not Believe in "Goodman". Disclaimer: I never even *Heard* of "Goodman", much less read his Book; Won't read it now either - Life's too Short. ************************************************************** >From: "Fiona Webster" >To: babel-list@postmodern.com >Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:25:53 +0000 >Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #292 ... >Sorry for this off-topic discussion, but Mike says: >> Landau, according to Goodman, shaped Springsteen's LP >> into a tribute to the Reagan values that were then prevalent in the U.S. > >Uh... what makes you say that, given that it's *not* a tribute >to Reagan values? Have you listened to the lyrics of "Born >in the USA" lately? > >> I attended a local hospital benefit here right after Desert >> Storm. Springteen's song was used as soundtrack to an overdone >> patriotic slideshow I could barely keep from laughing out loud >> at. > >That just means the people putting on the benefit were clueless. > > --Fiona *************************************************************** Another Simpleton from Jersey (Fuckin' A!) --// eLTyger --// /*RESPECT FOR THE ELECTRON(S)*/ --// /*SACRED LIGHTNING/ DANCE THE WORLD*/ From babel-list-owner Sat Aug 23 16:40:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id QAA10981 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 16:40:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.92]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id QAA10976 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 16:39:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailtod-102.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.82]) by mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id QAA29382; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 16:39:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-102.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/mt.graham.14Aug97) id QAA03270; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 16:39:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708232339.QAA03270@mailtod-102.bryant.webtv.net> From: garrow@webtv.net (Linda Highland) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 19:39:53 -0400 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re:[FW]Springsteen Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ One thing that strikes me odd about this thread is this: didn't Landau hook up with Springsteen around Born to Run? I don;t think he had any imput into the first two albums (and the second is probably my favorite...) So who does this Goodman guy think was pulling the puppet strings then? From babel-list-owner Sat Aug 23 16:56:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id QAA11064 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 16:56:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout09.mail.aol.com (emout09.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.24]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id QAA11058 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 16:55:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Light540@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id TAA06892 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 19:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 19:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970823195511_-267953746@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: "Punk" magazine reprint? Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ In a message dated 97-08-22 15:42:25 EDT, jrl6b@avery.med.virginia.edu writes: >>Jeff Lindholm >>jrl6b@virginia.edu >> >>(who's been lovingly saving his old copies of "Punk" for about 20 years or >so--God, I can't even begin to believe it's been that long!!!!!!! >> Jeff, I know what you mean. They are officially archived since we moved to another state..and to think my husband actually said when we were packing "You're not saving this junk again, are you?" Uhhh,,,yea I am... Just call me a packrat, Elena From babel-list-owner Sat Aug 23 18:55:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id SAA11311 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 18:55:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from access.netaxs.com (mail@access.netaxs.com [207.8.186.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id SAA11306 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 18:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix3.netaxs.com (mail@unix3.netaxs.com [207.8.186.5]) by access.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA29226 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 21:55:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Anthony J. Rzepela" Received: (from rzepelaa@localhost) by unix3.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA21848 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 21:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708240155.VAA21848@unix3.netaxs.com> Subject: Re:[FW]Springsteen To: babel-list@postmodern.com (babel-list) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 21:55:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Linda Highland wrote: > One thing that strikes me odd about this thread is this: didn't Landau > hook up with Springsteen around Born to Run? I don;t think he had any > imput into the first two albums (and the second is probably my > favorite...) So who does this Goodman guy think was pulling the puppet > strings then? I haven't read Goodman, eithe, but In the Beginning, there WAS Mike Appel. (FYI) From babel-list-owner Sun Aug 24 08:23:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id IAA14314 for babel-list-outgoing; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 08:23:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout16.mail.aol.com (emout16.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.42]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id IAA14309 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 08:23:52 -0700 (PDT) From: LStierman@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA02747 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970824112313_1411661396@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Patti em-puzzled Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Yesterday's Los Angeles Times crossword puzzle contained this clue: 1 Across (5 letters) "New Wave" singer Smith Happy to have Patti turn up in odd places, Liz From babel-list-owner Sun Aug 24 12:59:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA14709 for babel-list-outgoing; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 12:59:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net (iceland-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.28]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id MAA14703 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 12:59:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from garym (pool011-max1.la-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.3.11]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA28407 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 12:58:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <340092D4.26D7@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:00:20 -0700 From: GaryM X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: P.Ubu References: <970822195821_1054898512@emout10.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Bluemuse@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/22/97 2:39:16 PM, you wrote: > > > For all fans or the mid-70s Clevo scene, there's an amazing 3-10" > >VINYL!!! Lp set called Those Were Different Times. It has an LP of > >unreleased material each by the legendary CLE bands Electric Eels, > >Mirrors (with Mike Weldon of Psychotronic fame) & Styrene Money band. > > Where does one find this? Is this recent? Sounds pretty cool. Just came out. Paul Marotta, who had something to do with all 3 bands, put it out on his Scat Records. It's evidently getting some distribution, as I found a bunch at my local, Poobah's in Pasadena, & a buddy saw it at Aron's in L.A.. It's put out to look like an old 78 album, a folder with a cardboard cover, a ton of pics with liner notes by Paul & Jamie Klimak, & the 3 LPs. The thing I love most are the pics. Back then, I was a DJ on WRUW-FM in Cleveland, back in the days when you needed a 3rd class license from the FCC in order to be on the air. The 3 bands were broadcast live on a (Sunday?) afternoon - my (unlicensed) girlfriend helped set the show up, & I became the license of record for the broadcast which had such great stuff as an Eels song which consisted of the lyrics "I love you" "Fuck you", back in the days when you could get buted for saying that over the airwaves. The booklet has a ton of pics from that show - I had only seen one or 2 pics myelf. I would now kill for a tape of the broadcast (all my 'RUW tapes were lot back in '80 when my house was burglarised & they stole EVEYTHING!) Also, I guess there are ads out on how to get it (it ain't cheap, I found it for 30 bucks & have heard of it being more!) & they advertised in the brand new isue of CLE magazine. Hope this helps! Best, GaryM From babel-list-owner Sun Aug 24 13:41:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id NAA14944 for babel-list-outgoing; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:41:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from host.ld.centuryinter.net (www.ld.centuryinter.net [206.65.161.250]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id NAA14938 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:41:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppp0001.ms.centuryinter.net by host.ld.centuryinter.net; (5.65/1.1.8.2/16Aug95-0520PM) id AB08982; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 16:41:06 -0400 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 16:41:06 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970824153604.087f2568@mail.wi.centuryinter.net> X-Sender: cen00746@mail.wi.centuryinter.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel@postmodern.com From: Mike Rice Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #294 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ "I haven't read Goodman, eithe, but In the Beginning, there WAS Mike Appel. (FYI)" Appel was in the book as well. Goodman shows how Landau contrived to push Appel out, leaving Landau the sole proprietor, so to speak. Mike Rice From babel-list-owner Sun Aug 24 14:28:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id OAA15044 for babel-list-outgoing; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 14:28:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708242128.OAA15044@server.postmodern.com> X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f From: "sonic5" To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 23:40:31 +0000 Subject: Re: Springsteen Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ > > Read the book, Fiona. I can't summarize its points with a few terse > sentences here. Goodman's large theme is that the singer-songwriter > folk artists who emerged after the Beatles, soon began selling their > souls for filthy lucre. Agent and Record Company owner David Geffen, > Landau, and Springsteen are singled out as representative of the > trend. The album which included Born in the USA had an entire chapter > devoted to it. Landau, according to Goodman, shaped Springsteen's LP > into a tribute to the Reagan values that were then prevalent in the U.S. Well I did read the book and at I'm a complete loss as to how you make this statement. Goodman states that "Born in the USA" was inspired by Ron Kovic's memoir "Born on the Fourth of July," Paul Schrader's script for the movie of the Kovic bio, and by movies like "Platoon" and "Apocalypse Now." Yes, the song was designed to be commercial hit, but lyrically it was hardly a tribute to Reagan values. (And Springsteen was extremely vocal in his anger when Reagan appropriated the song for his re-election campaign.) Goodman explains that Landau exposed Springsteen to various books and musicians that Jersey's favorite son hadn't before encountered - and that Springsteen was then inspired by ideas he found in them. To conclude that Goodman's book: > reveals Bruce Springsteen has no ideas that are not those of > his producer seems rather far fetched. Using that reasoning, none of us have any (or few) ideas of our own - rather our ideas are those of our parents, teachers, or anyone who once suggested we read a particularly influential book. Plus, how does this conclusion account for Springsteen's work prior to hooking up with Landau? Clearly Landau was a strong influence on Bruce, particularly in terms of marketing the Boss - as per the book, Springsteen had little interest in the business side of rock and roll and was feeling extremely pressured by his record company to continually produce hit records. So, much as he had done with Mike Appel, he simply abdicated this area to Landau, allowing the producer to manipulate his image more out of ambivalence than greed. s5 From babel-list-owner Mon Aug 25 03:44:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id DAA18204 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 03:44:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from iris.arcadis.be (iris.arcadis.be [195.7.0.251]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id DAA18199 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 03:44:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from default (user131.arcadis.be) by iris.arcadis.be (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA20619; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:43:35 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970825123113.006987c4@mail.arcadis.be> X-Sender: depl3045@mail.arcadis.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:31:13 +0200 To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: Yves Deplasse Subject: Obscure tribute album / possible french concert In-Reply-To: <199708232139.RAA30186@gemini.smart.net> References: <1.5.4.16.19970823034034.095f96dc@mail.wi.centuryinter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Hi ! a tribute album is out now on Doppelganger (a british label). It features 12 songs played by little-known bands (with the exception of Pauline Murray). I haven't listened to it yet, so I can't tell whether it's good or not. on a different matter : 'IREX', a french organization, is launching a multimedia project in Nantes (France), mostly based on Gerard Malanga's work. The man himself will give a performance ; Patti Smith _should_ take part to the project (not confirmed yet). This IREX festival is scheduled for march 2d-9th, 1998. More info to come within a couple of weeks. --Yves ------------------------------------- CD info : Barefoot / a tribute to Patti Smith Doppelganger DOP50 a division of 'dressed to kill' PO Box 11249 London SW6 7ZF From babel-list-owner Mon Aug 25 08:26:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id IAA18917 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 08:26:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from moose.uvm.edu (moose.uvm.edu [132.198.101.60]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id IAA18912 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 08:25:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elk.uvm.edu (elk.uvm.edu [132.198.101.63]) by moose.uvm.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA49694 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:25:45 -0400 Received: from thyme.uvm.edu (thyme.uvm.edu [132.198.151.224]) by elk.uvm.edu (8.8.6/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA25924 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:25:45 -0400 Received: from THYME/SpoolDir by thyme.uvm.edu (Mercury 1.21); 25 Aug 97 11:22:41 GMT-5 Received: from SpoolDir by THYME (Mercury 1.30); 25 Aug 97 11:22:23 GMT-5 From: "Ron Jacobs" Organization: University of Vermont To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:22:17 EDT Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #291 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <151DD002A3@thyme.uvm.edu> Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ > Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 16:06:08 -0400 > To: babel@postmodern.com > From: Mike Rice > Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #291 > Reply-to: babel-list@postmodern.com > "mass media and irony seldom mix well together - ask Bruce > Springsteen who had rather different intentions behind Born in the > USA than another redneck anthem." > > If you really believe this, you need to read John Goodman's Mansion > on the Hill, which reveals Bruce Springsteen has no ideas that are > not those of his producer and Svengali, Jon Landau. Goodman says > the simple singer-songwriter from New Jersey, is, indeed, simple. > > Mike Rice > > Which is why he wrote some of his best stuff before he hooked up with Landau--Greetings for Asbury Park and The Wild, The Innocent, and the E Street Shuffle - Ron Jacobs\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\Let's be realistic, Bailey/Howe Library,\\\\\\\\demand the impossible... University of Vermont\\\\\\\\\\\\-Paris, May 1968 Reserve desk\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ rjacobs@thyme.uvm.edu\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Burlington,VT USA\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ http://moose.uvm.edu/~rjacobs/ronshome.html From babel-list-owner Mon Aug 25 08:56:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id IAA19022 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 08:56:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id IAA19017 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 08:56:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26421 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1997 15:56:10 -0000 Received: from belial-8.d.enteract.com (HELO sunny.enteract.com) (207.112.154.17) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1997 15:56:10 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970825105802.006d12c8@pop.enteract.com> X-Sender: sunny@pop.enteract.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 10:58:04 -0500 To: babel@postmodern.com From: Steve Glabman Subject: Resend Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ What is the big log jam with Springsteen lately on this PATTI list. Why is anyone even listening to Born in The USA as Bruce has lost his cool a way long time ago, around 78 and 79 after guesting on Lou Reed's Street Hassle and The Single With Patti, after that he has faded up the river for me and has NOT made a reappearance. In the long run I don't think he is that essential, at anytime, he just became a pop star? Steve in Space sunny@enteract.com Visual Arts & Poetry at: http://www.usk.org. From babel-list-owner Mon Aug 25 09:27:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id JAA19203 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 09:27:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from bard.edu (sloan@bard.edu [192.246.229.11]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id JAA19197; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 09:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (sloan@localhost) by bard.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA57540; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:18:08 -0400 X-Ident: IDENT protocol sender: sloan@localhost Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:18:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Tamela Sloan To: babel-list@postmodern.com cc: babel@postmodern.com Subject: Re:Question In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970825105802.006d12c8@pop.enteract.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ A friend of mine asked me a Patti Question, She heard something a while ago that she said was a recording of spoken word, not poetry, a kind of feminist rant, thats all I know. Does anyone have any ideas?? Thanks Tamela From babel-list-owner Mon Aug 25 09:28:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id JAA19223 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 09:28:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from access.netaxs.com (mail@access.netaxs.com [207.8.186.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id JAA19217 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 09:28:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix4.netaxs.com (mail@unix4.netaxs.com [207.8.186.6]) by access.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA06284 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:26:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "Anthony J. Rzepela" Received: (from rzepelaa@localhost) by unix4.netaxs.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) id MAA25931 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708251626.MAA25931@unix4.netaxs.com> Subject: Re: Resend To: babel-list@postmodern.com (babel-list) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:26:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Steve Glabman wrote: [ re: Springsteen ] > In the long run I don't think he is that > essential, at anytime, he just became a pop star? Pop stars aren't essential? I'm not defending Bruce to the death, but the fact that he became a pop star doesn't really mean he's meaningless, right? (Whatever the case, he _is_ off-topic here, I agree. I just find this reasoning difficult to swallow.) ObPatti: We've lightly touched in the past on what would "happen" if PS found mega-success and started playing hockey arenas. I look at the recurring tempest over "RnRN" here, and think to myself, "People thought misinterpretations of 'Born in the USA' were bad?" :) From babel-list-owner Mon Aug 25 11:10:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA19707 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:10:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id LAA19701 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:10:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA01828 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA03036 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:08:48 -0700 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:08:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re:pilgrim In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Maybe some one else knows more about this... but i beleive Patti Smith has written some stuff for the new Richard Gere book of photography called Pilgrim, photos of Tibet I think.. Any one know any more about this? From babel-list-owner Mon Aug 25 11:21:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA19785 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:21:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from minnie.risd.edu (minnie.risd.edu [207.87.132.102]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id LAA19758 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccsmtp.risd.edu by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA20963; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 14:30:23 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA872545275 Mon, 25 Aug 97 14:41:15 EST Date: Mon, 25 Aug 97 14:41:15 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9707258725.AA872545275@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re[2]: babel-digest V2 #292 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ OK, just gotta log in and say that Springsteen seems like a real person to me, and yeah, he hit it good with Born in the USA, whichis when I started to lose interest, but Tom Joad is hardly pointed for the toip 40 - I think the guy is totally sincere. m\cIAO, mARY From babel-list-owner Mon Aug 25 13:24:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id NAA20178 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:24:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout11.mail.aol.com (emout11.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.26]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id NAA20170 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:24:00 -0700 (PDT) From: NoahSeven@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout11.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id QAA10413 for babel@postmodern.com; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 16:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 16:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970825162131_532695194@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: babel@postmodern.com Subject: Misc. Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Does anyone claim to know of P.Smith's stand on art that is commissioned? Does Jesse look like her mother? From babel-list-owner Mon Aug 25 14:52:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id OAA20528 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 14:52:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id OAA20523 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 14:52:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA09876 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 14:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA12463 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 14:47:01 -0700 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 14:47:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Obscure tribute album / possible french concert In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970825123113.006987c4@mail.arcadis.be> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ idea... what band or singer/s would you like to hear cover a patti smith song...and what song? not including what has been covered already. robert From babel-list-owner Mon Aug 25 15:54:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id PAA20648 for babel-list-outgoing; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 15:54:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from connectnet1.connectnet.com (root@connectnet1.connectnet.com [207.110.0.50]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id PAA20643 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 15:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dan.pint.com (pc3.pint.com [206.251.142.7]) by connectnet1.connectnet.com (8.8.7/CONNECTnet-4.0/NORELAY) with SMTP id PAA08233 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 15:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 15:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708252254.PAA08233@connectnet1.connectnet.com> X-Sender: dan@sun.pint.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: Dan Whitworth Subject: Artaud, Burrough, the usual suspects Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Interesting piece by one Tim Griffin in the current issue of World Art (#13, August 97) examining parallels between Artaud and Burroughs & how they became famous. Some discussion of the Nova Convention & recent exhibits of art by both those guys. Not to mention Patti's assault on the disappointed Keith Richards fans in the audience at the Nova Con. Good mag, too; features Kathy Acker on Anton Corbijn, Richard Kadrey on Crash, and Alice Joanou on Manuel Ocampo. Good quote on Artaud from Breton, reflecting on the '30s in 1953: "He was very handsome back then, and when he moved, he dragged behind him a gothic landscape pierced throughout by lightning." So we're all waiting for September, are we....? Needless to say, my local PBS station isn't showing Sessions.... they're more into Michael Flatley (Riverdance bozo) and his hideous reductions of Irish culture to deracinated pablum than they are in anything that might risk waking somebody up. (Watch that spleen!) Might have to settle for seeing Yo La Tengo live on the 3rd instead. Best regards, Dan Whitworth From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 26 04:48:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id EAA24026 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 04:48:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout16.mail.aol.com (emout16.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.42]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id EAA24021 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 04:48:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Ethiopium@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id HAA09272 for babel@postmodern.com; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 07:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 07:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970826074807_1748916944@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: babel@postmodern.com Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #296 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ In a message dated 8/26/97 4:11:16 AM, you wrote: <> Would someone tell me what this was about? Thanks, Mary From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 26 04:57:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id EAA24069 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 04:57:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from cphub.mail.saic.com (cpmx.mail.saic.com [139.121.95.10]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id EAA24063 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 04:57:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cpqm02.mail.saic.com by cpmx.mail.saic.com; Tue, 26 Aug 97 04:57:08 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 26 Aug 1997 07:49:50 -0800 From: "Steve Kenney" Subject: Re: imagined covers To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ >>>what band or singer/s would you like to hear cover a patti smith song...and what song?<<< Syd Straw doing "We Three" Pearl Jam doing "Pumping (My Heart)" skenney From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 26 06:01:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id GAA24235 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 06:01:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from guelah.nexen.com (guelah.nexen.com [204.249.96.19]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id GAA24230 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 06:01:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maelstrom.nexen.com (maelstrom.nexen.com [204.249.99.5]) by guelah.nexen.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01680 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phish.nexen.com (phish.nexen.com [204.249.99.14]) by maelstrom.nexen.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA27098 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [204.249.97.97] (bk.nexen.com [204.249.97.97]) by phish.nexen.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA18174 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:00:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: kendall@pop Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:01:37 -0500 To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: kendall@nexen.com (Brian Kendall) Subject: Re: Obscure tribute album / possible french concert Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ >what band or singer/s would you like to hear cover a patti smith >song...and what song? Sarah Mclachlin (sp?) >> Wing Indigo Girls >> We Three, (an uptempo acoustic version w/ harmony) Hole >> Ask The Angels BK From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 26 06:52:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id GAA24311 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 06:52:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from IIGroup.com ([206.157.104.6]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id GAA24306 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 06:52:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by IIGroup.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 862564FF.004C37B8 ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 08:52:30 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: INC From: "Thomas W. Mohr" To: babel@postmodern.com Message-ID: <862564FF.004B8BA6.00@IIGroup.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 08:52:28 -0500 Subject: Sessions West 54th / Public TV Stations Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Someone had mentioned that his/her local public television was not carrying "Sessions At West 54th". One suggestion -- if you have cable, check up there in the high-numbered channels. Some cable companies are now carrying several public stations (here in Chicago there are like three or four), each of which may carry different programming. Another suggestion -- write, call and fax your local station(s). They do listen to viewer requests. You may not get "Sessions" in time for next month's Patti show, but maybe in time for reruns... Tom 8-26 0845cdt From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 26 07:33:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id HAA24393 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 07:33:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout17.mail.aol.com (emout17.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.43]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id HAA24388 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 07:33:05 -0700 (PDT) From: TMPJAccas@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA05296 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970826103003_1951577233@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: imagined covers Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Smashing Pumpkins doing "Ain't it strange" I think Billy could handle that one... From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 26 07:36:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id HAA24428 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 07:36:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout02.mail.aol.com (emout02.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.93]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id HAA24423 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 07:36:29 -0700 (PDT) From: TMPJAccas@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout02.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA02862 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970826103354_-1634401261@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Fwd: Bad news for Pages Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Bad news for Pages Date: 97-08-25 21:08:14 EDT From: TchKung 4 To: ZeroDarcy,AERO1979,VerucaSP To: SMASHPK79,BlanketSky,Corganized To: Moongrl79,LilyDahlia,KCFOREVER To: SlunkToday,DarcySpacd,Spstpfoo To: Juice57778,Silvr0zero,PUMKIN6198 To: Balltoung1,Cmaryth,Splandslyd To: Super tink,LULL2007,SPtoriNirv To: Said SATAN,Adrianas6,IceDrake65 To: Cuprgirl,redtalon@mindspring.com To: FUnODE2no1 To: smashing69pumpkins97@juno.com To: Dusty360,SPmuzzle,Squire9925 To: SPLILY1979,UgLyCLonE8,Jazzer84 To: TMPJAccas,Starmui,SpChick14 To: JenSmash 8,ProdSmash,LunaBlue0 To: Gigglebush,BCorgan033,Billy317 Here: i won't say anything. (not now anyway.) This was taken from the RIAA page and the news paper: The RIAA has determined that any unlicensed music samples on teh net will "urt teh bottom line of the music industry". The FringeWare News Network reported today that RIAA plans to shut down any web site that supplies or distributes any digitally recorded material without the expressed written permission of the artist Anti-Bootleg Statute: Arenas, promoters and performers are protected against piracy under this statute, making it a crime to manufacture the sounds of a live performance of an artist and to distribute these reproductions. However, the federal statute also provides for the seizure of bootleg recordings or music videos manufactured outside the United States by U.S. Customs at the point of importation. In effect, bootleg recordings are now subject to seizure and forfeiture in the same manner as other property in violation of customs laws. This brings the total number of states/territories where sound recording piracy is now a felony to 33. Alabama Arizona Arkansas California District of Columbia Florida Georgia Illinois Indiana Kansas Kentucky Louisiana Massachusetts Michigan Minnesota Mississippi Missouri New Jersey New Mexico New York Nevada North Carolina Oklahoma Oregon Puerto Rico Rhode Island South Carolina Tennessee Texas Utah Virginia Washington West Virginia Felony statutes generally call for prison terms of up to five years and fines as high as $250,000. In 1995, the worldwide estimate of losses to the recording industry was approximately $2 billion. (*NOTE* no actual loss is made, the music industries made billions and billions of dollars in 1995, if they want people to buy teh original recordings instead of getting themfromt eh itnerent and buy them on tape from peopel, why not change maybe a dollar or two more for the proffesionally amde cd's? Not change 17 (18?) dollars, but charge 5 dollars, cd's cost a little over $1.25 to produce, and the recording cost would undoubtedly be made up buy the profits, a loss of profits is due to the inflation of the prices, thus making it mroe dificult for the target audience (teens) to purchase CD's, thereby making them look to a friend/preson on online/anyone to get a tape of the album in question.) Fight the RIAA with all your might, for nothing good can come of it.. Joel From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 26 08:10:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id IAA24599 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 08:10:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from IIGroup.com ([206.157.104.6]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id IAA24594 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 08:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by IIGroup.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 862564FF.005360FB ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:10:43 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: INC From: "Thomas W. Mohr" To: babel@postmodern.com Message-ID: <862564FF.0052FE4F.00@IIGroup.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:10:39 -0500 Subject: New Album Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Borrowed without permission from: http://musiccentral.msn.com/TotallyLive We know we told you last week that (Document link not converted)Patti Smith 's new album, Peace And Noise, was going to be released September 30, but we found ourselves in the possession of a few song titles, so we couldn't resist passing them along. All of the songs on the 10-song disc were penned by Smith and different configurations of band members. Our favorite is "Waiting Underground," but about equally compelling is "Spell," an eloquent footnote to the late great Allen Ginsberg's "Howl." If you listen closely, you can hear Patti playing clarinet on the number. Another song you'll want to listen closely to is "Last Call," a song that Smith penned with guitarist Oliver Rey about the Heaven's Gate tragedy earlier this year. Smith's biggest fan, R.E.M.'s Michael Stipe, provides background vocals. What do you mean, you're not surprised? If you can't wait for Smith's tour to start in mid-October, you can tune into PBS on September 26 (check local listings) to see the band perform a half-hour set (including three new songs) on Sessions At West 54th. Tom 8-26 1006cdt From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 26 09:17:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id JAA24721 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:17:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from SMTP.MSS-INC.COM (smtp.mss-inc.com [207.86.126.42]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id JAA24716 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by SMTP.MSS-INC.COM from localhost (router,SLmail95 V2.1); Tue, 26 Aug 1997 12:17:50 EDT Received: by SMTP.MSS-INC.COM from MSSSC.MSS-INC.COM (207.86.126.44::mail daemon; unverified,SLmail95 V2.1); Tue, 26 Aug 1997 12:17:49 EDT Message-ID: <3403012B.186F@MSS-Inc.Com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 12:15:39 -0400 From: "Steve Combs" Organization: MSSI Consultants X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Sessions West 54th / Public TV Stations References: <862564FF.004B8BA6.00@IIGroup.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ To: Anyone.in.the.DC.area...and.anyone.trying.to.find.their.local.PBS station...I actually got a response from our local PBS station, Maryland Public Television (MPT) which is as follows: Subject: Re: Patti Smith on Sessions at West 54th Date: Wed, 30 Jul 97 10:43:41 From: "cheryl davis" To: "SteveSea" Hi ... Patti Smith is on episode #13 scheduled to air on MPT 9/27, 11:30pm. Thanks for asking & enjoy ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Patti Smith on Sessions at West 54th Author: "SteveSea" Organization: MSSI Consultants at Internet-Email Date: 7/27/97 7:03 AM Can you tell me when the Patti Smith session will be aired? Thanks! _________________________________________________________________________________ If you don't know who your local PBS station is, you can check their station locater at http://www2.pbs.org/stations/ I would reccomend contacting the station to verify times, though. For instance, in DC we have three stations. MPT/Channel 22, airs "Sessions at 54th" on Saturdays at 11:30 pm. WETA/Channel 26, airs "Sessions" on Sundays at 1:00 am. (Although, lately it has been starting at 12:30 am) WHMM/Channel 32, which doesn't air it at all. And don't forget to drop by "Sessions at 54th" at http://www.sessionsatwest54th.com/ Hope this helps out! Peace. SteveSea From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 26 09:28:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id JAA24859 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:28:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id JAA24854 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20601 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1997 16:28:22 -0000 Received: from baphomet-47.d.enteract.com (HELO sunny.enteract.com) (207.229.148.47) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1997 16:28:22 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970826112945.006b0434@pop.enteract.com> X-Sender: sunny@pop.enteract.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:30:22 -0500 To: babel@postmodern.com From: Steve Glabman Subject: What I Said Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ ------------------------------------------------------ > > >From: Steve Glabman < >Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 10:58:04 -0500 >Subject: Resend > >What is the big log jam with Springsteen lately on this PATTI list. Why is >anyone even listening to Born in The USA as Bruce has lost his cool a way >long time ago, around 78 and 79 after guesting on Lou Reed's Street Hassle >and The Single With Patti, after that he has faded up the river for me and >has NOT made a reappearance. In the long run I don't think he is that >essential, at anytime, he just became a pop star? >Steve in Space >sunny@enteract.com >Visual Arts & Poetry at: >http://www.usk.org. > >------------------------------ > >Steve Glabman wrote: > >[ re: Springsteen ] > >> In the long run I don't think he is that >> essential, at anytime, he just became a pop star? > >Pop stars aren't essential? I'm not defending >Bruce to the death, but the fact that he became a >pop star doesn't really mean he's meaningless, >right? > >(Whatever the case, he _is_ off-topic here, I agree. >I just find this reasoning difficult to swallow.) > >Anthony? Sorry you don't agree with my statement, however I never said anyone or form of expression is Meaningless. Where did you get that from. I said not that essential, as he is just A pop star. A watered down representation of the mass audience appeal. I can turn on the radio any time, any day and hear "Crap" on the air, I don't mean Bad music, I mean homigenized product. Certainly not the true Art we get from an Artist like Patti Smith. Someone with sincerity and Artistic integrity, Something Springsteen seem to lose as dollar signs filled his eyes or whatever happened to the guy. I don't care. But I never refered to him as meaningless. Not that essential in terms of listening to a true thread and history of creative music which I feel Smith is truely a part of and not Springsteen. Thanks "IF it is art it is not for all, and if it is for all it is not art" Arnold Schoenberg Steve in Space sunny@enteract.com Visual Arts & Poetry at: http://www.usk.org. From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 26 10:30:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA25018 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:30:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id KAA25013 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:30:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA15306 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA02212 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:26:50 -0700 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:26:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Sessions West 54th / Covers/Heavens Gate In-Reply-To: <3403012B.186F@MSS-Inc.Com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Cool, the PBS station in Northern Ca does play the sessions show(at 11:30 at night) my covers i would like to hear.... come back little sheba- Dolly Parton/ Emmylou Harris pissing in a river- stevie nicks space monkey-- HOLE paths that cross----joan armatrading people have the power-----ben harper seven ways of going---PJ Harvey btw...... Heavens Gate members were recruting on the Berkeley Campus last weekend. apparently selling memoribila from the group..... mouse pads with the logo.... No black NIKEs though..... Am looking forward to Pattis song about them..... From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 26 10:47:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA25107 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:47:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from minnie.risd.edu (minnie.risd.edu [207.87.132.102]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id KAA25099 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccsmtp.risd.edu by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA09502; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:56:38 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA872629659 Tue, 26 Aug 97 14:07:39 EST Date: Tue, 26 Aug 97 14:07:39 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9707268726.AA872629659@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re[2]: Sessions West 54th / Covers/Heavens Gate Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I actually am not too interested in hearing anyone cover Patti's material. Hole maybe. From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 26 11:06:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA25194 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:06:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from dragon.vcu.edu (dragon.vcu.edu [128.172.65.9]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id LAA25188 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from griffin.vcu.edu ([128.172.65.1]) by dragon.vcu.edu (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA19099 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 14:01:51 -0400 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 14:01:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Libby To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Sessions West 54th / Covers/Heavens Gate In-Reply-To: <9707268726.AA872629659@ccsmtp.risd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ > I actually am not too interested in hearing anyone cover Patti's > material. Hole maybe. > Actually, I'd like to hear Patti cover her own material- do post modern versions of her songs (a la Dylan) that you can't sing along with (does anyone want to hear the person next to them at a Patti show singing BTN) From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 26 16:35:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id QAA25992 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:35:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id QAA25987 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:34:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [0.0.0.0.] (fi.smart.net [205.219.246.223]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA15446 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 19:34:43 -0400 Message-Id: <199708262334.TAA15446@gemini.smart.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Fiona Webster" Organization: http://www.oceanstar.com To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 19:20:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Peace and Noise track list Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Just got this info from the man with BMG Music: Side one Waiting Underground (5:20) Whirl Away (5:01) 1959 (3:58) Spell (3:17) Don't Say Nothing (5:52) Dead City (4:15) Side two Blue Poles (5:19) Death Singing (3:44) Memento Mori (10:34) Last Call (5:09) Major Billboard story next week. She will appear on David Letterman in October. --psyched!! Fiona From babel-list-owner Tue Aug 26 21:04:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id VAA26835 for babel-list-outgoing; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 21:04:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout14.mail.aol.com (emout14.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.40]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id VAA26830 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 21:04:09 -0700 (PDT) From: TMPJAccas@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id AAA07074 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 00:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 00:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970827000316_690011468@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: New Album Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ is that on the on tour show on PBS thats she's gonna be on? I just watched that today and they have a lot of Garbage bands...I mean these bands sounded like Garadge bands....but they did have Smashing Pumpkins so I was entertained... ~~Mike From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 27 02:04:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id CAA29417 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 02:04:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from brickbat9.mindspring.com (brickbat9.mindspring.com [207.69.200.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id CAA29412 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 02:04:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip2.an3-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.14.2]) by brickbat9.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA17578 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 05:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 05:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970827050119.317fbd38@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: eltyger@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" Subject: Re: What Arnold Said Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 0036 EDT // Wed 27 Sug 97 // BklnNYC Steve? *Arnold* is Wrong. ************************************************************** >Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:30:22 -0500 >To: babel@postmodern.com >From: Steve Glabman >Subject: What I Said >... >"IF it is art it is not for all, > and if it is for all it is not art" > Arnold Schoenberg >Steve in Space >sunny@enteract.com >Visual Arts & Poetry at: >http://www.usk.org. ************************************************************** QED. --// eLTyger --// /*RESPECT FOR THE ELECTRON(S)*/ --// /*SACRED LIGHTNING/ DANCE THE WORLD*/ From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 27 02:44:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id CAA29556 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 02:44:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from unix1.cc.ysu.edu (exim@UNIX1.CC.YSU.EDU [150.134.10.33]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id CAA29551 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 02:44:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GOLDEN-D.-C..JSC.NASA.GOV [139.169.127.117] by unix1.cc.ysu.edu with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0x3eb1-0001kk-00; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 05:41:03 -0400 Message-ID: <3403F87E.4802@cc.ysu.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 04:50:54 -0500 From: Ray Beiersdorfer Organization: Youngstown State Univ. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel@postmodern.com Subject: Nova Convention Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ <> >>Would someone tell me what this was about? >>Thanks, Mary I was the show that night but most of the details have faded. I think the show was in 1978. Anyway, Keith Richards was scheduled to perform along with Patti, Lauri Anderson, Philip Glass, John Giornio, William Boroughs and others. A hand written sign was posted in the lobby that Keith Richards had cancelled. As a last minute replacement we were treated to Frank Zappa reading from Naked Lunch. I don't remember Patti's assault on anybody that night, but it was almost 20 years ago. I do remeber she played her clarinet. There is a recording of the Nova Convention on Giornio records. Rave On, Ridgewood Ray From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 27 04:41:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id EAA29702 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 04:41:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout11.mail.aol.com (emout11.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.26]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id EAA29697 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 04:41:21 -0700 (PDT) From: GoRimbaud@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout11.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id HAA02242 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 07:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 07:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970827074049_183179140@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Peace and Noise track list Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ In a message dated 97-08-27 00:50:09 EDT, fi writ: << psyched!! >> thanks for the wonderful info, fi!!! From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 27 05:14:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA29848 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 05:14:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com (brickbat8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.11]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id FAA29843 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 05:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip184.an3-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.14.184]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA13673 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:14:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:14:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970827081117.2c6fc8b8@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: eltyger@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" Subject: Re:[2] Nova Convention Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 0038 EDT // Wed 27 Aug 97 // BklnNYC So Patti came OnStage and some people in the audience were Yelling for Keith, And Patti said something like "Oh Keith Couldn't make it, He's stuck on a plane somewhere" (Something like that) (I think She was Disappointed too.) And then She snapped a Bit and said "Look! You want yer Money back? Here!", and pulled out some bills. Nobody came forward, and after a moment She went on with her Performance. Zappa did the "Talking Asshole" bit. First time I ever Saw Laurie Anderson (I was Impressed.) 1978. I was there to see Patti. It was Great to see the other Folx too, naturally... ************************************************************* >Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 04:50:54 -0500 >From: Ray Beiersdorfer >To: babel@postmodern.com >Subject: Nova Convention ... ><Keith Richards fans in the audience at the Nova Con>> > >>>Would someone tell me what this was about? >>>Thanks, Mary > >I was the show that night but most of the details have faded. I think >the show was in 1978. Anyway, Keith Richards was scheduled to perform >along with Patti, Lauri Anderson, Philip Glass, John Giornio, William >Boroughs and others. A hand written sign was posted in the lobby that >Keith Richards had cancelled. As a last minute replacement we were >treated to Frank Zappa reading from Naked Lunch. I don't remember >Patti's assault on anybody that night, but it was almost 20 years ago. I >do remeber she played her clarinet. > >There is a recording of the Nova Convention on Giornio records. > >Rave On, >Ridgewood Ray ************************************************************** --// eLTyger --// /*RESPECT FOR THE ELECTRON(S)*/ --// /*SACRED LIGHTNING/ DANCE THE WORLD*/ From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 27 05:21:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA29891 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 05:21:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from cphub.mail.saic.com (cpmx.mail.saic.com [139.121.95.10]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id FAA29886 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 05:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cpqm02.mail.saic.com by cpmx.mail.saic.com; Wed, 27 Aug 97 05:19:57 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 27 Aug 1997 08:15:27 -0800 From: "Steve Kenney" Subject: Re: Nova Convention To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ mary, there is also a good account of this, including some detail on patti's performance, in the biography of Burroughs entitled "Literary Outlaw," (can't remember the author's name), its a good book in general, check it out. skenney From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 27 05:25:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA29926 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 05:25:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from cphub.mail.saic.com (cpmx.mail.saic.com [139.121.95.10]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id FAA29921 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 05:25:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cpqm02.mail.saic.com by cpmx.mail.saic.com; Wed, 27 Aug 97 05:25:19 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 27 Aug 1997 08:18:26 -0800 From: "Steve Kenney" Subject: Re: Peace and Noise track li To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ side one? side two? sounds like -- dare i even think it? -- there might be a *vinyl* release this time, ya know, an LP *record*? ooh, be still my heart..... hoping, skenney From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 27 05:42:48 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA29970 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 05:42:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from access.netaxs.com (mail@access.netaxs.com [207.8.186.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id FAA29965 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 05:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix3.netaxs.com (mail@unix3.netaxs.com [207.8.186.5]) by access.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA15436 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:42:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Anthony J. Rzepela" Received: (from rzepelaa@localhost) by unix3.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA14086 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708271242.IAA14086@unix3.netaxs.com> Subject: Re: Peace and Noise track li To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:42:35 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "Steve Kenney" at Aug 27, 97 08:18:26 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Steve Kenney wrote: > > side one? side two? sounds like -- dare i even think it? -- there might be a > *vinyl* release this time, ya know, an LP *record*? ooh, be still my > heart..... I got excited for a minute, too, but then I realized: the _cassette_.... From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 27 06:08:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id GAA00158 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 06:08:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from guelah.nexen.com (guelah.nexen.com [204.249.96.19]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id GAA00153 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 06:08:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maelstrom.nexen.com (maelstrom.nexen.com [204.249.99.5]) by guelah.nexen.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07380 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phish.nexen.com (phish.nexen.com [204.249.99.14]) by maelstrom.nexen.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA18263 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [204.249.97.97] (bk.nexen.com [204.249.97.97]) by phish.nexen.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA16972 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:07:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: kendall@pop Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:08:44 -0500 To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: kendall@nexen.com (Brian Kendall) Subject: Re: Peace and Noise track list Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ thanks for the track list, I hope the song "grateful" makes it to a b side, ep, or soundtrack. I really enjoyed the song live in boston. I noticed the latest rolling stone has an article on the upcoming fall releases with no mention of PS. There is however a pretty lengthy piece on Burroughs that I havn't read yet. BK From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 27 08:08:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id IAA00483 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:08:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout18.mail.aol.com (emout18.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id IAA00478 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:08:27 -0700 (PDT) From: JANAL8@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout18.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA23906 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970827110619_-1602663226@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Peace and Noise track list Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ In a message dated 97-08-27 00:50:09 EDT, you write: << Side two Blue Poles (5:19) Death Singing (3:44) Memento Mori (10:34 >> Memento Mori - was the title of one of the best X-FILES episodes of this last season. I not up on what else this means - but do you think maybe Patti is a fan of the X-FILES? Al From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 27 08:13:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id IAA00522 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:13:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout03.mail.aol.com (emout03.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.94]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id IAA00517 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:13:19 -0700 (PDT) From: JANAL8@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout03.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA16735 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970827111243_808664777@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Bad news for Pages Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ In a message dated 97-08-27 00:43:39 EDT, you write: << Here: i won't say anything. (not now anyway.) This was taken from the RIAA page and the news paper: The RIAA has determined that any unlicensed music samples on teh net will "urt teh bottom line of the music industry". The FringeWare News Network reported today that RIAA plans to shut down any web site that supplies or distributes any digitally recorded material without the expressed written permission of the artist Anti-Bootleg Statute: Arenas, promoters and performers are protected against piracy under this statute, making it a crime to manufacture the sounds of a live performance of an artist and to distribute these reproductions. However, the federal statute also provides for the seizure of bootleg recordings or music videos manufactured outside the United States by U.S. Customs at the point of importation. In effect, bootleg recordings are now subject to seizure and forfeiture in the same manner as other property in violation of customs laws. This brings the total number of states/territories where sound recording piracy is now a felony to 33 >> Hi Chad and Becky in YOUR NEW HOUSE!!!!!!!!! Chad - thought you would find the above interesting. Hope all is well with you two - guess it is since we've talked to you every night. It's official - we're coming to San Antonio!!!! Here's our ittinerary: Thur. Sept. 11th - MESA AIR - Flight # 2106 Leave: 2:00PM Arrive: 2:55PM Sun. Sept. 14th Flight # 2105 Leave: 12:45PM Arrive: 1:40PM We can't wait - I'll write more later. Love, DAD From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 27 08:35:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id IAA00593 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:35:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id IAA00588 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:34:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [0.0.0.0.] (fi.smart.net [205.219.246.223]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA00841 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:35:06 -0400 Message-Id: <199708271535.LAA00841@gemini.smart.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Fiona Webster" Organization: http://www.oceanstar.com To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:21:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Nova Convention Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ A few folks were talking about Patti's appearance at the original Nova Convention. Just in case you didn't know, there's an excerpt about this event from Ted Morgan's _Literary Outlaw_ (WSB bio) up on the babelogue site: http://www.oceanstar.com/patti/bio/nova.htm --peace and noise! Fiona From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 27 08:39:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id IAA00637 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:39:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from cphub.mail.saic.com (cpmx.mail.saic.com [139.121.95.10]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id IAA00632 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cpqm.mail.saic.com by cpmx.mail.saic.com; Wed, 27 Aug 97 08:38:56 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 27 Aug 1997 11:34:25 -0800 From: "Steve Kenney" Subject: Re: Peace and Noise track l To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ >>>Memento Mori - was the title of one of the best X-FILES episodes of this last season. I not up on what else this means - but do you think maybe Patti is a fan of the X-FILES?<<< oh man, how cool is THAT? perhaps jackson or jesse or oliver turned her onto x-files. the patti is out there! skenney From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 27 08:52:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id IAA00697 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:52:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout24.mail.aol.com (emout24.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.129]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id IAA00692 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:51:55 -0700 (PDT) From: JANAL8@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout24.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA02321 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:51:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:51:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970827114906_283354708@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Bad news - oops Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Sorry to all on babel list - for that last personal note to my son. I hit reply instead of forward - what can I say - it's early! From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 27 09:30:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id JAA00802 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:30:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from minnie.risd.edu (minnie.risd.edu [207.87.132.102]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id JAA00790 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccsmtp.risd.edu by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA29762; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 12:39:35 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA872711434 Wed, 27 Aug 97 12:50:34 EST Date: Wed, 27 Aug 97 12:50:34 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9707278727.AA872711434@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re[2]: Peace and Noise track list Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Momento Mori is somthing that one does at the dath of another person. It may have a more specific meaning but I'm not sure. I think it means more than the title of an X files record to Patti. From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 27 09:34:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id JAA00885 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:34:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from minnie.risd.edu (minnie.risd.edu [207.87.132.102]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id JAA00873 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:34:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccsmtp.risd.edu by minnie.risd.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-1025AM) id AA29989; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 12:44:30 -0400 Received: from cc:Mail by ccsmtp.risd.edu id AA872711731 Wed, 27 Aug 97 12:55:31 EST Date: Wed, 27 Aug 97 12:55:31 EST From: "Lynch, Mary" Message-Id: <9707278727.AA872711731@ccsmtp.risd.edu> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re[2]: Peace and Noise track list Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ OK - Momento Mori is a death's head, or something that serves to remind one of mortality, like the skull in vanitas paintings. From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 27 12:00:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA01660 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 12:00:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from sun.tir.com (sun.tir.com [205.138.41.6]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id MAA01655 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 12:00:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jswanson.tir.com (war62.tir.com [205.218.87.201]) by sun.tir.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA23185 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <34047906.96B2B75E@tir.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:59:21 -0400 From: Jenifer Swanson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Kerouac X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Can anyone direct me to or give me any information about the event "Lowell Celebrates Kerouac"? I believe this is something that happens every fall. I could find nothing on the Lowell web pages. Thanks jenifer From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 27 12:14:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA01758 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 12:14:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from IIGroup.com ([206.157.104.6]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id MAA01752 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 12:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by IIGroup.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 86256500.006997B0 ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:13:21 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: INC From: "Thomas W. Mohr" To: babel@postmodern.com Message-ID: <86256500.006917EB.00@IIGroup.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:13:16 -0500 Subject: More On New Album Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Borrowed without permission from Addicted To Noise (URL at end of article): Patti Smith Collaborates With R.E.M.'s Stipe On New LP Album deals with a "million different topics" and features collaboration with R.E.M.'s Michael Stipe. Addicted To Noise Staff Writer Chris Nelson reports : When it comes to poet rocker Patti Smith, expect the unexpected. As the latest example of this, Smith has created an album that will likely surprise fans and critics alike as it moves away from the loss on last year's Gone Again, according to a spokeswoman for Smith's label, Arista. Smith kicks off the release of Peace & Noise with a benefit performance at the Walt Whitman Cultural Arts Center in Camden, N.J. on Sept. 27. The album, due out three days later, features 10 songs, including "Last Call" with backing vocals from R.E.M.'s Michael Stipe, and "Spell," a tribute to the late poet Allen Ginsberg. "I think some songs will surprise people," Arista's Cathryn Swan said of Smith's sixth album. The mood of the collection is said to be different from last year's Gone Again, which dealt in a large part with the pain of lost loved ones, and in particular the deaths of Smith's husband Fred "Sonic" Smith (MC5) and Nirvana leader Kurt Cobain. "There are some new twists on things," Swan said. This time out, Smith casts a wider gaze. "There are a million different topics," according to Swan. "Last Call," for instance, focuses on the Heaven's Gate cult that committed suicide en masse earlier this year. Swan called "Spell" "a footnote" to Allen Ginsberg's masterpiece beat poem, "Howl," and noted that the song features Smith playing clarinet. Comprised solely of original songs written either by Smith alone, or with band members Lenny Kaye (guitar), Oliver Ray (guitar), Tony Shanahan (bass) and Jay Dee Daughterty (drums), Peace & Noise contains no specific production credit, as directed by Smith. Rather, all members of the group contributed to the album's final sound, Swan said. Smith will likely perform work from Peace & Noise at the Whitman Center benefit show. Nick Patselas, a spokesman for the center, said the event will be intimate, as the auditorium contains just 187 seats. During the concert, Smith will read her poetry and perform with Kaye and Ray. The seed for the benefit was planted in the mind of a Whitman Center board member as she watched Smith perform with folk-rock legend Bob Dylan in Philadelphia in 1995. "During the course of that concert, Patti, speaking to the audience, said she was tired of hearing people put down Camden and South Jersey," Patselas said. The board member recognized Smith, who originally hails from nearby Woodbury, as the ideal performer to help raise funds for the arts center. As an incentive, 50 tickets for the benefit will be sold for $25, and will come with signed copies of Smith's poetry anthology Early Works. The remaining seats will cost $15. Patselas said Smith had a hand in setting the relatively inexpensive ticket prices. "She doesn't like to restrict her audiences whenever possible." Fans without tickets can watch Smith perform the day before the benefit on PBS' new live music program, Sessions at 54th Street. Smith's concert, filmed in July, features three new songs, including Peace & Noise's "Don't Say Nothing." Also performed during taping was Dylan's "Wicked Messenger," although Swan said she did not know whether that song made the final edit of the half-hour program. Swan added that Smith does plan to perform several concerts after Peace & Noise is released, though she will not launch a full tour. Although dates are still being confirmed, the concerts are expected to begin on the West Coast. [Wed., Aug. 27, 1997, 9 a.m. PST] Copyright 1997 Addicted To Noise. All rights reserved. Please do not reprint entire Addicted To Noise news stories without written permission from Addicted To Noise. If you excerpt, rewrite, or in some way make use of portions of our news, attribute to: Addicted To Noise, the on-line rock & roll magazine - http://www.addict.com/ Where To? From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 27 12:41:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id MAA01870 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 12:41:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from pilot06.cl.msu.edu (pilot06.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.16]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id MAA01859 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 12:41:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pm100-10.dialip.mich.net (pm100-10.dialip.mich.net [35.9.14.111]) by pilot06.cl.msu.edu (8.7.5/MSU-2.10) id PAA39311; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:40:38 -0400 Message-ID: <3404AD81.5F5@pilot.msu.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:43:13 -0700 From: Cassie Carter Organization: Michigan State University X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Kerouac References: <34047906.96B2B75E@tir.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Jenifer Swanson wrote: > > Can anyone direct me to or give me any information about the event > "Lowell Celebrates Kerouac"? I believe this is something that happens > every fall. I could find nothing on the Lowell web pages. I'm not sure if this is THE "Lowell Celebrates Kerouac" event, but I got the following info from Levi Asher's "Literary Kicks" pages (devoted to the Beats) at : DHARMA beat Dharma Beat is affiliated with the Jack Kerouac subterranean Information Society. They're based in Lowell and run a Kerouac celebration there each fall. Attila Gyenis is the editor, and can be reached at gyenis@aol.com. DHARMA beat is published twice a year. Subscriptions (2 issues) are $7, Canada and Foreign is $10 USA. Address is DHARMA beat, PO Box 1753, Lowell, MA 01853-1753 USA. -- Cassie Carter American Thought & Language 229 Ernst Bessey Hall Michigan State University E. Lansing, MI 48824 carterca@pilot.msu.edu THE JIM CARROLL WEBSITE http://home.forbin.com/~laverne/carroll/carroll.html From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 27 13:03:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id NAA01958 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:03:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from sun.tir.com (sun.tir.com [205.138.41.6]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id NAA01953 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jswanson.tir.com (war49.tir.com [205.218.87.188]) by sun.tir.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA08906 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <340487B6.AA48C8C1@tir.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:02:02 -0400 From: Jenifer Swanson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Kerouac X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <34047906.96B2B75E@tir.com> <3404AD81.5F5@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Thanks so much Cassie. If and when I get some info....I will post it here. Love and laughter jenifer From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 27 13:44:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id NAA02065 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:44:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from brickbat9.mindspring.com (brickbat9.mindspring.com [207.69.200.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id NAA02060 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ip44.an5-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.16.44]) by brickbat9.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA23490 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:43:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:43:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970827164045.2a8fbc2c@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: eltyger@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: "j.BOLt SThAR eNYCh" Subject: Re[3]: Peace and Noise track list Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 1630 EDT // Wed 27 Aug 97 // BklnNYC Literally: "remember that thou must die" Latin (from the Dictionary). Also, as You say: ************************************************************** >Date: Wed, 27 Aug 97 12:55:31 EST >From: "Lynch, Mary" >To: babel-list@postmodern.com >Subject: Re[2]: Peace and Noise track list > OK - Momento Mori is a death's head, or something that serves to > remind one of mortality, like the skull in vanitas paintings. ************************************************************** --// eLTyger --// /*RESPECT FOR THE ELECTRON(S)*/ --// /*SACRED LIGHTNING/ DANCE THE WORLD*/ From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 27 14:10:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id OAA02226 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:10:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id OAA02221 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:10:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA32737 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:10:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA25374 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:08:57 -0700 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:08:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: momento mori In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19970827164045.2a8fbc2c@pop.pipeline.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ also a book by Murriel Spark about people being harrased by a phone caller- of course more to it than that. From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 27 14:57:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id OAA02515 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:57:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from iglou1 (exim@iglou1.iglou.com [192.107.41.3]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with SMTP id OAA02510 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:57:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gustavus by iglou1 with smtp (8.7.3/8.6.12) id 0x3q5y-0007aJ-00; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:57:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:57:45 -0400 (EDT) From: IHCOYC XPICTOC X-Sender: gustavus@iglou1 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: momento mori In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Robert Byler wrote: > also a book by Murriel Spark about people being harrased by a phone > caller- of course more to it than that. Actually, "Memento mori" is Latin for "keep in mind that you shall die." The wholesome sentiment that puts all television advertising in its proper perspective. IHCOYC XPICTOC http://members.iglou.com/gustavus gustavus(at)iglou.com + Servus est, qui aut mortem aut dolorem timet. + + Optabilius est deflagrare quam marcescere. + **** This message has been placed here by the Tijuana Bible Society **** From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 27 15:06:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id PAA02607 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:06:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from connectnet1.connectnet.com (root@connectnet1.connectnet.com [207.110.0.50]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id PAA02602 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:06:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dan.pint.com (pc3.pint.com [206.251.142.7]) by connectnet1.connectnet.com (8.8.7/CONNECTnet-4.0/NORELAY) with SMTP id PAA03740 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708272206.PAA03740@connectnet1.connectnet.com> X-Sender: dan@sun.pint.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: Dan Whitworth Subject: Nova Con/Memento Mori Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Supposedly, Keith Richards opted out of the Nova Convention because of his then-current legal problems (re: opiates!) in Canada. Someone in his management must have put two and two together: "Hmmm, this old Burroughs guy has sumpthin' to do with heroin, don't he? Keith, don't go!" (Perhaps the inspiration for the Nils Lofgren tune of the same name?) Speaking of memento mori, sort of, the Mingei Folk Art museum in S. Diego has a display of beads (yawn, right?) which includes this incredible Tibetan (I think) rosary/prayer bead thing where all the beads are death's heads. Useful for mediating on impermanence, I suppose.... Alas, replicas are not available in the gift shop. Re: Rolling Stone-- did Burroughs rate a cover? One should hope. Later, Dan W From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 27 15:13:48 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id PAA02649 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:13:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mail3.voicenet.com (mail3.voicenet.com [207.103.0.45]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id PAA02644 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:13:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cherryhill165.voicenet.com (cherryhill165.voicenet.com [207.103.11.244]) by mail3.voicenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA09471 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708272219.SAA09471@mail3.voicenet.com> X-Sender: bgordon@popmail.voicenet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: bgordon@voicenet.com (Bonnie Gordon) Subject: patti in my neighb!! X-Mailer: Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Yessssss! I am SO looking forward to the Walt Whitman Center benefit. I definitely plan to be there. I live in So.Jersey, 2 miles from the place. Can't wait. Tix go on sale Sept.4 (I called this afternoon) and are limited 2 per caller. Yes on Mastercard and Visa. I'm especially excited cuz I'm going with my 18-yr old son, his first Patti concert -- he's a 2nd gen.fan. Cool! Any babelers planning to attend? Bonnie G From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 27 18:13:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id SAA03401 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:13:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from york.interport.net (york.interport.net [199.184.165.8]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id SAA03396 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:13:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from #dalynyc.interport.com (ts3port15.port.net [207.38.249.15]) by york.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA07342 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3404D135.1644@interport.net> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:15:33 -0400 From: JED X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Peace and Noise track list References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Brian Kendall wrote: > > thanks for the track list, I hope the song "grateful" makes it to a b > side, ep, or soundtrack. I really enjoyed the song live in boston. > I love that song too. I also heard that they recorded Not Fade Away and Who Do You Love. Since these covers don't appear on the cd, maybe they'll be on singles... From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 27 18:38:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id SAA03548 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:38:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net (germany-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.123]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id SAA03543 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:38:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [207.217.15.64] (pool064-max21.la-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.15.64]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA09699 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:38:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:38:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel@postmodern.com From: mbella@earthlink.net (Craig Stoker) Subject: Momento Mori Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ A Momento Mori is a reminder of death. A little skull and cross-bones in a painting, etc. Italians are big on 'em! See Conrad's 'Heart of Darkness' ...there's lots of 'em there too. Ciao, --Yana ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ How good will it be to have total conformity? What will be left of singularity? And personality? And you and me? -Wm.S.Burroughs From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 27 19:31:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id TAA03882 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:31:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com (emout07.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.22]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id TAA03877 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:31:13 -0700 (PDT) From: JANAL8@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id WAA04026 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970827222817_-668151629@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Peace and Noise track list Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ In a message dated 97-08-27 12:43:47 EDT, you write: << OK - Momento Mori is a death's head, or something that serves to remind one of mortality, like the skull in vanitas paintings >> That now makes sense of that particular X_Files show, because Scully was facing her own death due to brain cancer and of course Mulder was quite upset too. So do you think Patti wrote this song after Ginsberg's death or maybe Burroughs'? From babel-list-owner Wed Aug 27 20:45:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id UAA04022 for babel-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:45:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id UAA04014 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:44:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [0.0.0.0.] (fi.smart.net [205.219.246.223]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA21855 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:44:30 -0400 Message-Id: <199708280344.XAA21855@gemini.smart.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Fiona Webster" Organization: http://www.oceanstar.com To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:30:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Patti in Camden on 9/27 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I see Bonnie G. has already got the word on the Walt Whitman Center Benefit... Here's the official press release... --Fiona --------------------------- Patti Smith in Benefit at Walt Whitman Center Patti Smith opens the fall Season at the Walt Whitman Cultural Arts Center, Camden, New Jersey with a rare performance on Sept. 27. The benefit performance with longtime collaborator Lenny Kaye and musician and poet Oliver Ray includes both musical and spoken pieces. The 7 PM performance is perfectly suited to the intimate Art Center auditorium that was originally designed as a venue for poetry readings in 1976. Tickets priced at $15 (concert only) and $25 (concert plus signed anthology _Early Works_, and ticket to another Center event) go on sale Sept. 4. For Information call 1-800-964-8300. The Center will not be selling tickets until Thursday Sept. 4, 1997. Please do not call the Center for tickets. On the 4th, the Center will begin taking orders via telephone. All proceeds from this performance will directly support the ongoing educational and family theater programs at the Walt Whitman Center. All three performers are donating their time and talents to this benefit out of a shared respect for the legacy of Walt Whitman. Patti Smith, raised in nearby Woodbury also holds a fondness for Camden and Southern New Jersey. The Walt Whitman Cultural Arts Center is a non-profit, literary, performing and visual arts center for adults and children. It is housed in a 70 year old neoclassical building at 2nd and Cooper Streets in the handsome Johnson Park Square on Rutgers University's Camden campus. Contact: Nick Patselas (609) 964-8300. Walt Whitman Cultural Arts Center, Inc. Johnson Park at 2nd and Cooper Streets Camden, NJ 08102 From babel-list-owner Thu Aug 28 00:44:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id AAA06381 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 00:44:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (mail-gw3.pacbell.net [206.13.28.55]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id AAA06376 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 00:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-3-49.okld03.pacbell.net [206.170.3.49]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id AAA05438 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 00:44:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <34068C27.3E42@pacbell.net> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 01:45:27 -0700 From: Lori X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: movies, fanzine mention References: <9707228722.AA872284524@ccsmtp.risd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Contact for Allen Ginsberg's "Ballad of the Skeletons": Danny Wolf 160 E. 26th Street NY, NY 10010 fax 212/696-1489 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ There's a new 'zine called Bast "dedicated to unsigned bands in metal, gothic, industrial, hardcore and dark, gloomy acoustic" which has a good article in the Fall 1997 edition on suggestions for future Lilith Fair shows: "consider having Patti Smith, Chrissie Hynde, Joan Jett, Siouxsie Sioux, Gitane Demone, Diamanda Galas, the Lunachicks, Babes in Toyland, and Sleater-Kinney all on the same tour. Now THERE's a show!" (Bast is available from M. Hughes, 358 Moscow Street, San Francisco, CA 94112 for $2 U.S. or $3 outside the U.S.) --Lori From babel-list-owner Thu Aug 28 05:03:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA06924 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 05:03:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com (emout06.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.97]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id FAA06919 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 05:03:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Ethiopium@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id IAA15509 for babel@postmodern.com; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970828080238_2049059762@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: babel@postmodern.com Subject: Re: babel-digest V2 #297 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Do you think that Dot Hooks is a lurker on this list? From babel-list-owner Thu Aug 28 05:27:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA06990 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 05:27:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from berzerk.rs.itd.umich.edu (root@berzerk.rs.itd.umich.edu [141.211.63.17]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id FAA06985 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 05:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from seawolf.rs.itd.umich.edu by berzerk.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.6/3.0-mailhub) with ESMTP id IAA09577; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (birena@localhost) by seawolf.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.6/4.0-client) with SMTP id IAA15330 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:27:15 -0400 (EDT) From: barbara nagler X-Sender: birena@seawolf.rs.itd.umich.edu To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: It has a life of its own Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Art is for all. It scatters like wished-upon dandelions and explodes in all directions-- its maker has no control anymore once its released over what it'll do in living, alchemical combinations with who. There are forces that would try to control and exploit it and set up artificial divisions and definitions in our minds, but I would rather not abet them. There's something laughing at all that-- memento mori! Seize the moments-- atomic nuclear minuscule boundless. Irena/Eirene/peace and noise, too. From babel-list-owner Thu Aug 28 05:35:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id FAA07042 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 05:35:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from cphub.mail.saic.com (cpmx.mail.saic.com [139.121.95.10]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id FAA07037 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 05:35:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cpqm.mail.saic.com by cpmx.mail.saic.com; Thu, 28 Aug 97 05:34:27 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 28 Aug 1997 08:28:07 -0800 From: "Steve Kenney" Subject: Re: momento mori To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ call me culturally diminished, all these definitions and art history and literary references are really interesting (what a great bunch of people on this list!), and i'm sure *they* are the actual inspirations for the song title, but i still kind of like the idea that patti is an X-Files fan....... :) skenney From babel-list-owner Thu Aug 28 07:36:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id HAA07250 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:36:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from honor.greatcircle.com (honor.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.44]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id HAA07245 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:36:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from access.netaxs.com (access.netaxs.com [207.8.186.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id HAA14448 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix4.netaxs.com (mail@unix4.netaxs.com [207.8.186.6]) by access.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09735 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:34:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "Anthony J. Rzepela" Received: (from rzepelaa@localhost) by unix4.netaxs.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) id KAA08984 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:34:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708281434.KAA08984@unix4.netaxs.com> Subject: Re: Patti in Camden on 9/27 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:34:31 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199708280344.XAA21855@gemini.smart.net> from "Fiona Webster" at Aug 27, 97 11:30:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Fiona Webster quotes: > > Patti Smith opens the fall Season at the Walt Whitman Cultural Arts > Center, Camden, New Jersey with a rare performance on Sept. 27. Ask anyone who knows me. I never go ANYWHERE. But I'll be in Ohio on the 27th, and on the road to Ohio when the PBS special is on. This is all so EVIL! From babel-list-owner Thu Aug 28 09:17:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id JAA07468 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:17:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from berzerk.rs.itd.umich.edu (root@berzerk.rs.itd.umich.edu [141.211.63.17]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id JAA07463 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moonpatrol.rs.itd.umich.edu by berzerk.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.6/3.0-mailhub) with ESMTP id MAA10453; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (birena@localhost) by moonpatrol.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.6/4.0-client) with SMTP id MAA22213 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:17:38 -0400 (EDT) From: barbara nagler X-Sender: birena@moonpatrol.rs.itd.umich.edu To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: X Files Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I remember Patti invoking "Twin Peaks" from a stage one time, so I wouldn't be too surprised if she watched X-Files (back to the disputed David Lynch). She told some people who were being rowdy while she was trying to read some poetry to an audience for the first time in years that they should "get into a Twin Peaks diner frame of mind". Irena From babel-list-owner Thu Aug 28 15:54:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id PAA08759 for babel-list-outgoing; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:54:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from pilot14.cl.msu.edu (pilot14.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.24]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id PAA08751 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:54:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pm132-15.dialip.mich.net (pm132-15.dialip.mich.net [35.9.14.236]) by pilot14.cl.msu.edu (8.7.5/MSU-2.10) id SAA51532; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:53:58 -0400 Message-ID: <34062B7B.1440@pilot.msu.edu> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:52:59 -0700 From: Cassie Carter Organization: Michigan State University X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: I found it! References: <199708262334.TAA15446@gemini.smart.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Hello, Babelistas-- I *finally* found Patti's drawing of Jim Carroll. Check it out at http://home.forbin.com/~laverne/carroll/psart.html Also, I'm going to be presenting a paper at the national American Culture Association's conference, and my paper is about Patti. Unfortunately, I have not written the paper yet . . . so if anyone has a great idea regarding what I absolutely *must* write about, please e-mail me privately. Thanks! -- Cassie Carter American Thought & Language 229 Ernst Bessey Hall Michigan State University E. Lansing, MI 48824 carterca@pilot.msu.edu THE JIM CARROLL WEBSITE http://home.forbin.com/~laverne/carroll/carroll.html From babel-list-owner Fri Aug 29 15:16:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id PAA13560 for babel-list-outgoing; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 15:16:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from sun.tir.com (sun.tir.com [205.138.41.6]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id PAA13551 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 15:16:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jswanson.tir.com (war75.tir.com [205.218.87.214]) by sun.tir.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA20613 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:16:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <340749ED.7E5CD61F@tir.com> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:15:14 -0400 From: Jenifer Swanson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Memento Mori X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ I found a poem called "Memento Mori". Its from a book called "Ariana Olisvos: Her Last Works and Days" by David Dwyer. Memento Mori The cat's-eye light flits in and out my blinded semi-private window. It's a reminder. I'm reminded. Love and laughter jenifer From babel-list-owner Sat Aug 30 10:04:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id KAA17542 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 10:04:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout17.mail.aol.com (emout17.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.43]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id KAA17537 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 10:04:08 -0700 (PDT) From: MLewis2707@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA12115 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 13:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 13:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970830130334_1885482265@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: off topic - Raymond Scott Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Hi, I'm sorry to go off topic here, but I thought that babel listers living around NYC might find this upcoming tribute interesting. Rebecca Lewis --------------------- [please forward around the net] From: The Raymond Scott Archives * * * * * * * * * * RECKLESS NIGHT ON BOARD THE BOTTOM LINE: A Live Music Tribute to RAYMOND SCOTT The spirit of Raymond Scott, the master of BUGS BUNNY-bent musical mosaics, returns to haunt New York's Bottom Line (SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 27). Irwin Chusid, Director of the Scott Archives, is producing the 2nd annual live tribute featuring an eclectic group of musicians with a penchant for Scott's looney tunes & merry melodies. The RAYMOND SCOTT QUINTET's late '30s novelty jazz (especially "Powerhouse") has been immortalized in the last 50 years, having been adapted in 115 classic WARNER BROS. cartoons. It's also been featured in REN & STIMPY, THE SIMPSONS, Duckman, and Animaniacs; sampled twice by SOUL COUGHING, and recorded by DON BYRON and the KRONOS QUARTET. (The original RSQ recordings can be heard on "The Music of Raymond Scott: Reckless Nights and Turkish Twilights" - Columbia 53028.) You may even catch "Powerhouse" in a new network TV spot for Kodak. Last year's first-ever Scott trib was a rousing success, and this year's show promises some rare treats. Players (below) will present slight or radical departures from the original cartoon-jazz arrangements. Along with RS Quintet favorites, the program will include rarely-heard Scott compositions from the '40s and '50s. ROBERT MOOG, inventor of the Moog Synthesizer and a colleague of the late, great Scott, will be on hand to demonstrate the only existing model of the CLAVIVOX, a keyboard theremin Raymond invented in the 1950s. The device will then be played for the FIRST TIME EVER in public performance by Dave Amels in one of Raymond's compositions. The KUSTARD KINGS (of Loser's Lounge fame)--who served as house band at last year's show--will return, as will WNYC's DAVID GARLAND, who will sing a medley of Scott songs. Coffee, a band from Rochester, have arranged four little-known Scott numbers, and jazz accordionist Will Holshouser is arranging three RS Quintet titles. * VENUE: THE BOTTOM LINE, 15 West 4th St., NYC - 212-228-6300 * DATE: Saturday, SEPTEMBER 27 - two shows (7:30 / 10:30 PM) * TICKETS: $17.50 (at box office--advance sale or day of show) Lineup: DAVE AMELS - Clavivox STEVEN BERNSTEIN - trumpet (Lounge Lizards, They Might Be Giants) CHRIS BUTLER - guitar, bass (Waitresses) BRIAN DEWAN - piano, accordion DENNIS DIKEN - drums (Smithereens) KELLY FLINT - vocals (Dave's True Story) DAVID GARLAND - vocals (WNYC, Worlds of Love) ENRICO GRANAFEI - harmonica MIKE HASHIM - sax (Dizzy Gillespie, Cab Calloway) WILL HOLSHOUSER - accordion PHILLIP JOHNSTON - soprano sax (Microscopic Septet, Big Trouble) BIANCA "BOB" MILLER - keyboards (ex-Flystrip, Pianosaurus) R. STEVIE MOORE - guitar, bass CHRIS NAPPI - tuned percussion (Steve Reich, S.E.M. Ensemble) ROB THOMAS - violin (Jazz Passengers, Eddie Harris) The KUSTARD KINGS (David Terhune, Joe McGinty, George Rush, Clem Waldmann, Kris Woolsey) COFFEE (Phil Marshall, guitar; Tim Poland, bass; Dave Cross, drums) and others.... "Reckless Night" webpage link at: http://users.aol.com/DevilDrums/RNBL.htm Visit the Raymond Scott website at: http://users.aol.com/DevilDrums * * * * * * * * * * For further information, contact IRWIN CHUSID ghostown@ix.netcom.com From babel-list-owner Sat Aug 30 11:37:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id LAA17744 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 11:37:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id LAA17739 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 11:37:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [0.0.0.0.] (fi.smart.net [205.219.246.223]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA23416 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 14:37:28 -0400 Message-Id: <199708301837.OAA23416@gemini.smart.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Fiona Webster" Organization: http://www.oceanstar.com To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 14:23:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: offline a couple of days Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ 'Just lettin' y'all know I'll be offline for maybe just a day, maybe a couple of days, while setting up a new computer. Pity me: I have to learn to use (and live with) Windows 95. :-) --Fiona From babel-list-owner Sat Aug 30 15:55:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id PAA18232 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 15:55:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.12]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id PAA18227 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 15:55:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA24428 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 15:55:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (berto@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA12795 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 15:52:24 -0700 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 15:52:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Byler To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: books In-Reply-To: <34062B7B.1440@pilot.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ heres a few books to look forward to. Sept: Pilgrim- Richard Gere Forward by His Holiness the Dalai Lama Poem by Patti Smith Bulfinch Press Nov: The Velvet Underground Companion: Four Decades of Commmentary by Alban Zak (Schirmer Books) Feb: A Season In Hell by Rimbaud Photos by Robert Mapplethorpe (Bullfinch Press) robert From babel-list-owner Sat Aug 30 16:52:48 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id QAA18332 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 16:52:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from spacelab.net (mta@spacelab.net [206.42.130.4]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id QAA18327 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 16:52:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.42.131.39] by spacelab.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11397) with SMTP id AAA3768; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 19:52:17 -0400 Message-ID: <34086383.1631@spacelab.net> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 18:16:37 +0000 From: "Alison Armstrong" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Patti in Camden Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Does anyone know about how long it would take to get to Camden from the NYC area? Is it accessible by publlic transportation, a PATH train, Greyhound, etc.? Alison From babel-list-owner Sat Aug 30 19:02:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id TAA18597 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 19:02:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from emout11.mail.aol.com (emout11.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.26]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id TAA18592 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 19:02:17 -0700 (PDT) From: TMPJAccas@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout11.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id WAA14096 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 22:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 22:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970830220142_-367671280@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: page Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Hey all...I just put up a patti smith page (just my four bootlegs) and no one has gone to it yet (Big Surprise). Is there some link thing I could join? Please let me know... ~~Mike http://members.aol.com/Offerup2/PATTI_SMITH.html From babel-list-owner Sat Aug 30 19:11:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id TAA18650 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 19:11:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from mail3.voicenet.com (mail3.voicenet.com [207.103.0.45]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id TAA18645 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 19:11:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cherryhill210.voicenet.com (cherryhill210.voicenet.com [207.103.11.109]) by mail3.voicenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA13964 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 22:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 22:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708310216.WAA13964@mail3.voicenet.com> X-Sender: bgordon@popmail.voicenet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: bgordon@voicenet.com (Bonnie Gordon) Subject: Re: Patti in Camden X-Mailer: Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ >Does anyone know about how long it would take to get to Camden from the >NYC area? Is it accessible by publlic transportation, a PATH train, >Greyhound, etc.? > Alison > > Yes, the PATH train has a stop in Camden; the WW Arts Center is at 2nd and Cooper, pretty much on/close to the Rutgers Univ. campus. From Philly, it would be I think the first stop over the Ben Franklin Bridge, i.e. first stop in NJ. You can get the PATH at several stops in Philly but unfortunately if you're coming in from 30th Street Station (where the train from NYC goes), you're not really close to the PATH stations (2 miles away). You could take a cab: ask cabbie to go to one of the Locust St.stops is my recommendation. Another possiblity is to look into New Jersey Transit from NYC; there may be a stop at the Garden State Parkway, then you could take a cab or bus to Camden. Bonnie From babel-list-owner Sat Aug 30 21:02:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id VAA18817 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 21:02:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from access.netaxs.com (mail@access.netaxs.com [207.8.186.2]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id VAA18812 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 21:02:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix3.netaxs.com (mail@unix3.netaxs.com [207.8.186.5]) by access.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA26785 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 00:01:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "Anthony J. Rzepela" Received: (from rzepelaa@localhost) by unix3.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA21974 for babel-list@postmodern.com; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 00:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708310401.AAA21974@unix3.netaxs.com> Subject: Re: Patti in Camden To: babel-list@postmodern.com Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 00:01:21 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199708310216.WAA13964@mail3.voicenet.com> from "Bonnie Gordon" at Aug 30, 97 10:16:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ Bonnie Gordon responded to the question: > >Does anyone know about how long it would take to get to Camden from the > >NYC area? Is it accessible by publlic transportation, a PATH train, > >Greyhound, etc.? with: > Yes, the PATH train has a stop in Camden; the WW Arts Center is at 2nd and > Cooper, pretty much on/close to the Rutgers Univ. campus. Whoa-whoa. That's the PATCO train you're talking about, not the PATH. Believe me, if the PATH reached Camden, meaning I could get to NYC for a dollar, I'd know about it. :) > From Philly, it > would be I think the first stop over the Ben Franklin Bridge, i.e. first > stop in NJ. You can get the PATH at several stops in Philly but > unfortunately if you're coming in from 30th Street Station (where the train > from NYC goes), you're not really close to the PATH stations (2 miles away). However, if you're on a budget, you CAN take the NJ Transit train from Penn Station NYC to Trenton NJ, then connect with a SEPTA (SE Pennsylvania Transit Authority) from Trenton NJ to the "Market East" station in downtown Philly. ( Advantage: cheaper, closer to where you want to be. Disadvantage: budget an extra hour each way traveling, and you have to watch out for when you can catch the last connecting train back. ) >From Market East, you can then walk 3 blocks East to the _PATCO_ train, at 8th and Market, which goes into Camden. If you opt for bus travel between Philly and NYC, note the bus station is a block closer to the same 8th and Market PATCO station. > You could take a cab: ask cabbie to go to one of the Locust St.stops is my > recommendation. Another possiblity is to look into New Jersey Transit from > NYC; there may be a stop at the Garden State Parkway, then you could take a > cab or bus to Camden. I think that surface transit (a NJ Transit bus) or cabbing it over into (well, back from, really, since that will be late after the show) Philly is highly recommended. Camden is rough, PS' 1995 romanticizing of it notwithstanding: "Well, make it safe with your presence." Duh. No, make it safe with yours. To make a long story short (impossible!) Camden is directly across the river from downtown Philly, and the river ain't that wide. Budget what you'd budget for getting to Philly, and add in the time/money for a short train or bus or cab ride to Camden. The PATCO trains, at their most-off-peak, run thirty minutes apart. You do not want to be by yourself at that station, waiting for the PATCO coming back into Philly post-show. But going over will be alright, I think. DEFINITELY get word from NJ Transit on buses that will come by your exact destination (the WW Center) and/or get you back to NYC. And one other thing. Enjoy yourself BECAUSE I WON'T BE ABLE TO. OHH OHHHH OHHHHHHHHHH!. ++Tony Rzepela (rzepelaa@netaxs.com) From babel-list-owner Sat Aug 30 21:52:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id VAA18894 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 21:52:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.14]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id VAA18889 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 21:52:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA03737 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 23:52:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nbw-nj9-03.ix.netcom.com(198.211.225.131) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma003674; Sat Aug 30 23:51:57 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970831010615.009b61f0@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: sulak@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 01:06:15 -0400 To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: John Sulak Subject: Re: Patti in Camden In-Reply-To: <34086383.1631@spacelab.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ New Jersey Transit should get you there from NYC.... probably by bus. If you prefer train, take a train to Philadelphia then take the Lyndenwold high speed train to NJ. ...Maybe I'll see you there- I am in East Brunswick At 06:16 PM 8/30/97 +0000, you wrote: >Does anyone know about how long it would take to get to Camden from the >NYC area? Is it accessible by publlic transportation, a PATH train, >Greyhound, etc.? > Alison > > > > From babel-list-owner Sat Aug 30 21:55:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id VAA18928 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 21:55:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.14]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id VAA18923 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 21:55:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA03862 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 23:54:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nbw-nj9-03.ix.netcom.com(198.211.225.131) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma003839; Sat Aug 30 23:54:16 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970831010835.009b15b0@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: sulak@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 01:08:35 -0400 To: babel-list@postmodern.com From: John Sulak Subject: Re: Patti in Camden In-Reply-To: <199708310216.WAA13964@mail3.voicenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: babel-list@postmodern.com X-List-Processor: Majordomo 1.93 X-List-Archive-Location: http://www.postmodern.com/~babel/ The below sounds good, but keep in mind that the Garden State Parkway doesn't get within 50 miles of Camden. Also look into transfering in Trenton. At 10:16 PM 8/30/97 -0400, you wrote: >>Does anyone know about how long it would take to get to Camden from the >>NYC area? Is it accessible by publlic transportation, a PATH train, >>Greyhound, etc.? >> Alison >> >> > >Yes, the PATH train has a stop in Camden; the WW Arts Center is at 2nd and >Cooper, pretty much on/close to the Rutgers Univ. campus. From Philly, it >would be I think the first stop over the Ben Franklin Bridge, i.e. first >stop in NJ. You can get the PATH at several stops in Philly but >unfortunately if you're coming in from 30th Street Station (where the train >from NYC goes), you're not really close to the PATH stations (2 miles away). >You could take a cab: ask cabbie to go to one of the Locust St.stops is my >recommendation. Another possiblity is to look into New Jersey Transit from >NYC; there may be a stop at the Garden State Parkway, then you could take a >cab or bus to Camden. > >Bonnie > > > > From babel-list-owner Sat Aug 30 22:09:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) id WAA18989 for babel-list-outgoing; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 22:09:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: server.postmodern.com: majordom set sender to owner-babel-list using -f Received: from york.interport.net (york.interport.net [199.184.165.8]) by server.postmodern.com (8.8.5/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id WAA18984 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 22:09:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from #dalynyc.interport.com (ts3port3.port.net [207.38.249.3]) by york.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA24117 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 01:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3408FD25.2C32@interport.net> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 01:12:05 -0400 From: J X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: babel-list@postmodern.com Subject: Re: Patti in Camden References: <3.0.2.32.19970831010835.009b15b0@popd.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-babel-list@postmodern.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: